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Speaker 1: Hi everybody. It is approximately one eleven am East Coast time.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas and this is the official

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat UFC two seventy four and I think we

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Speaker 1: will get to a little bit of Canelo post fight

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Speaker 1: reaction show. Thank you so much for joining me. Now

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Speaker 1: my co host Brian Campbell is upstairs talking to CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports HQ. But the instant he has done, he's going

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Speaker 1: to come back down here. He paid close attention to

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Speaker 1: the Canelo fight. He'll give us some of his thoughts

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Speaker 1: on that when we get to it. But first think, well, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: let me turn this motherfucker off. That's awful. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: We just did a companion alongside of it. But this

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Speaker 1: is of course, is going to be our official post

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Speaker 1: fight show. We will react to all the results. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the UFC and not a moment to waste.

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Speaker 1: So I would like to tell you that the winner

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Speaker 1: of the main event is the UFC Lightweight champion, but

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Speaker 1: it did not work out that way. As we know.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you make of what Arizona did or did not do,

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Speaker 1: depending on your perspective, Charles Olivera, if he won tonight,

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Speaker 1: was not eligible to win the belt. There was going

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Speaker 1: to be a fight, as we all knew and saw,

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Speaker 1: and he was eligible to win the fight, but not

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Speaker 1: the subsequent title that would be conferred upon him by

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Speaker 1: virtue of missing weight that is in the past, whether

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Speaker 1: or not or should be in terms of the weight

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Speaker 1: miss there's something they can do about that. But Charles

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Speaker 1: Olivera goes in there and does basically I won't say

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Speaker 1: the impossible, but the goddamn impressive. If ever there was

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Speaker 1: a moment to be impressed, this was it absolutely phenomenal

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Speaker 1: to get them quite specific, if I may so. In

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Speaker 1: your main event, which took place by the way, in Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: Arizona at the Footprint Center, Charles Olivera defeats Justin gatgev

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Speaker 1: A were naked choke at three point twenty two of

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Speaker 1: roundnumber one. I am looking at the stats. I obviously

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Speaker 1: You can see my reaction if you care to. So

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Speaker 1: do have some broader things to go back to. The

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Speaker 1: of the fight itself. They were slugging it out in

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Speaker 1: close range and Justin Geechee was hammering him. Fight Metric

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Speaker 1: has currently only awarded him one knockdown, so there was

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Speaker 1: one clear knockdown that happened by Justin Geichee I think

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Speaker 1: off a left hook, but either way he dropped him.

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Speaker 1: again Justin Geaichie not really following. There was also a

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Speaker 1: I suppose I might say that Olivera was accused of

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Speaker 1: is impressive, man, Charles Olivera. He is, He is truly remarkable.

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Speaker 1: He got dropped against Chandler. I think he got dropped

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Speaker 1: He dropped Gei Chee? He dropped Poorier, and again they

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Speaker 1: Scenarios of course with the Athletic Commission were with the

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Speaker 1: fact make a big difference. Charles Lavera will not obviously

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Speaker 1: we can be. Charles Olivera targeting sixty percent of the head,

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Speaker 1: I'm tired as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell the directors to put me

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Speaker 1: We are there, we are okay. So you did your

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Speaker 1: first to UFC. Let's talk about it. Justin Gaegee getting

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Speaker 3: Did that early part go the way I thought? You know,

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Speaker 2: And just be that you thought he was gonna do that?

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Speaker 3: You did say that gun slinger. You you don't mess

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Speaker 3: with you know, did Canelo reach to a bridge too far?

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Speaker 3: I thought, eventually, OLIVERA, if he's going to come in

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Speaker 3: toe to toe, it's going to catch up with him. Boy,

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Speaker 3: did it look like it did. Early got dropped twice.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you talked about that.

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Speaker 2: But how do we like.

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Speaker 1: How poetic by the way that Gaechie was the guy

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Speaker 3: I mean, give Gatechie credit for working his way out

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Speaker 3: You're done. Everything that we say about Charles Olivera, Wow.

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Speaker 2: This guy going deep into my ballpocket right there. Everything

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Speaker 3: The guy's in absolute savage, a badass, and Luke, he's

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Speaker 3: just wired to be willing to swim through the shit

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Speaker 3: better than anyone else, to be the one who gets

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Speaker 2: Way in fiasco or not.

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Speaker 3: He went in there against one of the most dangerous

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Speaker 2: But he is able to block out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know the bad the bad press he

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Speaker 1: We should be honest, we gave him some bad press too.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and and and I think you know, regardless of

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Speaker 2: Okay, good Lord, that's how you do it, Charles OLIVERA.

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Speaker 3: That's why you know you could be in a spot

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just unbelievable, Luke, that he

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Speaker 3: He is everything that he says he is, and I

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Speaker 1: He is only okayed by the way I picked him

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Speaker 1: I kept it at all aver because I just felt

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Speaker 1: This is the question for UBC. This. Those two knockdowns

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Speaker 2: Now? What's the difference?

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Speaker 3: I think it's because he found out how to completely

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, you can either get dirty

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Speaker 3: Some guys have been able to be champions without that resolve,

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Speaker 2: But he's figured it out.

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Speaker 3: And Luke, you know, how can pilots under pressure land,

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Speaker 2: To stay poised? Dude, That's what olivera did.

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Speaker 3: How many people after they get dropped twice and the

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Speaker 2: This guy's going to come in there and finish me.

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Speaker 2: Only somehow Oliver was.

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Speaker 3: Able to spin it back and expose the one sort

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Speaker 2: It's a different level mental toughness.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think you can get to that different

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Speaker 3: I mean figure out how to get the best out

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Speaker 3: I naturally some of us stopped predicting him to win,

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00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 3: because it's hard to keep that.

434
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 2: Up at this level. But what is he made of? Luke?

435
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 2: The hell's this guy made of?

436
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing. He is tight, you know. He, like no Gera,

437
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't lose his composure under fire, and he had a

438
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: rock chin. It is amazing to me that ola Vera, well,

439
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: he can't say he has the rock chin of Noghera. No,

440
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: But to be hurt these ways and then to calm

441
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: down and then go It's not like he's going these

442
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: wild shots afterwards. They are aggressive and they are forceful,

443
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 1: but like, think about the shot that dropped Chandler, that

444
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: left hook, it was p think about the right hand

445
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: that dropped uh gags you tonight. It was precise. I

446
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: forget what exactly did to get Pooria into the compromise position.

447
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: But none of this stuff is landing by accident, right.

448
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: So the fact is he doesn't have the ability from

449
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: a physical standpoint to withstand the damage, but he has

450
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: steeled his mind.

451
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: He is a bullet, dude. He is a believer in

452
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: his sill.

453
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 1: Dude.

454
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: That mental confidence at that level, shit is a superpower.

455
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: At that level, it really level.

456
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: You cannot come back from being knocked down justin Gaitschee

457
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: twice unless you know you can beat that guy and

458
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: you firmly believe you are.

459
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: You are going to dude.

460
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 3: Has there ever been a fighter on this level who

461
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: takes as many chances as olivera without committing the type

462
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: of mistake in that moment that leads to him getting

463
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: finished right, like with the bend but not break thing.

464
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: You can hurt Charles Oliver. You can drop him, but

465
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: you can't land. You can't press that button of self destruction.

466
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: He's able to, you know, swim in those dropping waters

467
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: and and and keep that last thing under control, that

468
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: that will get him to quit, that will get him

469
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: to be finished. No one ever gets there, so I

470
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: wonder how many times kind of that's That's exactly what

471
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: it is. It's sort of a modern day ropodope in

472
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: which you know, imagine the emotions that his opponent goes

473
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: through of dropping him, feeling like I've got this, only

474
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: he's he's level headed.

475
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: Under we should go back to our debate again. Like listen,

476
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Caneli, you were completely right about Bivol,

477
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: So I have some crow to eat there. But I

478
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: would say about going back to Justin's approach, he seemed

479
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: to take more of the approach that I thought you

480
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: thought he would.

481
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: Was it the right It wasn't the right approach, was it?

482
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean? I mean, I mean, what approach do you

483
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: want from him? He comes out, he knows he's dude,

484
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: if you swing so.

485
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: Hard that you knock yourself off balance and didn't it

486
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: didn't hurt him in the physical sense, but like it

487
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: was illustrative of what he was attempting. I don't know

488
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: that that's the best approach. A guy like olivera who

489
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: can find those weird openings on you mat put.

490
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: A little bit of respect on or you know, benefit

491
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: of the doubt on Gaetschee and say he just saw

492
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: his opponent lose his title on the scales, and he's

493
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 3: saying to himself, Okay, I don't know the physical and

494
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: mental damage that that might affect Oliverra from this, right.

495
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, you had to cut laid and get under

496
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: the number. So he knows Oliver is going to be

497
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: aggressive as shit.

498
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: So I wonder if you're Gaetchee, you know, you adjust

499
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: your game plan to that and say I've got to

500
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: get him before he gets me. You And now, in hindsight, okay,

501
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: that's a bad strategy. But he knew Olivera was gonna

502
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 3: come out there in that first round and just try

503
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: to shut everybody up and not try to take this

504
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: into deep waters. He had to know that, and to

505
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: his credit, look he dropped the champion twice, you know

506
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: what I mean.

507
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: Like Connor MacGregor's tweeting just ten minutes ago because Charlie

508
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera called out Connor McGregor, which you know you

509
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: can sort of understand because he wants to get paid.

510
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: I get it. Quote from Connor McGregor. I'm not sure

511
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: I wish to cut the weight because remember Chandler said

512
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: he wanted to fight him at one seventy, So Connor's

513
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: got some options. Quote. I am really enjoying being built

514
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: like a refrigerator. I feel like I want to fight

515
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: it this size just to watch it back, lol. But

516
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to fight the Brazilian. I love Brazil and

517
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm unbeaten against Brazil all KOs.

518
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: I have some thinking too. Okay, if you are Connor,

519
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 2: is it in play that the UF he can give

520
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: you the touch of shot one hundred percent? Oh my god?

521
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: But in the what are you looking at the just

522
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: say it?

523
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: The Canelo bevol scorecards, all fucking three judges get Canilo

524
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: the first four rounds to.

525
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: Get the f out of it. How the fuck is

526
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: that possible?

527
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: We'll get that.

528
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: So here's the deal, Luke, if you're Connor, you just

529
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: watched Olivera in three straight title fights, kind of get

530
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: heard and come back and do it. You have to

531
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: believe in your confidence of if he can be landed

532
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: upon early. I'm the best first round finisher in the game,

533
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of reputationally. So if you're Connor,

534
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 3: you have to love that. But what does the UFC

535
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: love more a Connor Chandler fun pay per view All

536
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: action main event and then we let Mahchev go in

537
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: there against U against Olivera or do they love more.

538
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: Let's put it all on the line to give Connor

539
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: that chance?

540
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: You know, Charles Olavera as good as he is versus

541
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor, whether or not whether listen, does Connor deserve

542
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: this fight?

543
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: Not not a chance?

544
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: Not a chance? What's that got to do with anything,

545
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Jack Ship. UFC can make whatever fight they wanted that

546
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: the Commission will approve, and they will approve that.

547
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: So but do you get the feeling and I know

548
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: we've talked about it before that the UFC is hesitant

549
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: on rewarding he didn't do the I'm not saying I'm

550
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: not giving a reason why, but do you feel like

551
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: there's slow like, what what else does he have to do?

552
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: Nothing? It should be it should it should be Islam

553
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: Makachev next, it should be Habi by the way, tweeting

554
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: tonight as well, that attagging Dana White and John Shelby

555
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: that it should be Islam, you know, lobbying for his guy.

556
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: Is there any payback on Habib for retiring early by

557
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: by holding.

558
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they do that, but listen, I do

559
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: think that tonight.

560
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: It so much more of an exciting fight for for

561
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: the UFC's interests to have do Charles Olivera, this version

562
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: of Charles Olivera, dude, he's the He's what you want

563
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: in a prize fighter. If he was so invincible, there

564
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: would no be there would not be any dramatics. But

565
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: he gets hurt and then finishes everybody else off. You

566
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: get all of the theatrics in every direction, which, with

567
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: due Connor Gregor kind of gives you a lot of

568
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: that as well.

569
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes true, And if you're the UFC matchmakers and you're

570
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: saying yourself, okay, let's look at the let's look at

571
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: the layout in the war.

572
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 2: Room, because Islam is gonna know they're saying, not gonna fight.

573
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: Here's what they're saying to themselves. We believe that Islam

574
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: Mahchev is going to be the last man standing in

575
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: this division. Okay, but what's the best way to coronate this,

576
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: what's the best way to crown him? Is it beating

577
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 3: Olivera or is it beating champion Connor McGregor.

578
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: I know, which is a big if. Dude, he's got

579
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: to go in there and beat Olivera.

580
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 3: But what's the best case scenario in crowning majev It's

581
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: through Connor, dude, It's it's basically Connor Habib two with

582
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 3: a beeB in the corner as a coach, this time

583
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: giving you rocky four vibes. I know that's a OBC.

584
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: It's stupid, it's romantic, it's theatrical. But that's the best

585
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: case scenario. So I think you give Connor that chance,

586
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: and guess what if Olivera beats him, which is expected,

587
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: then Olivera Mahachev is a monster fight.

588
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, yes it is. That would be a monster fight.

589
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I just it's hard to know what the UC will

590
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: do because to me, Islam's case.

591
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: Is a slam done problems.

592
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's not all that hard to figure

593
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: out what should happen with him. On the other hand,

594
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: I would say that it would be really wrong to

595
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: deny Islam.

596
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: I don't you know.

597
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: But dude, well, they announced the two seventy six cards,

598
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: so they have their national fighting card.

599
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: They don't need Connor for that.

600
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: They're not going to have John Jones for that, So

601
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: I guess we can move on from that and that

602
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: in that particular thing. But getting back to Charles Lavera

603
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: and all the damage from Friday, how much do you

604
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: think does this.

605
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: Undo it?

606
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: But it it erases a lot of the negativity.

607
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: It's perfect. It's the perfect way to win. I got

608
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: to text a lot outside my fucking driver. Hang on,

609
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: you know I just got texted by my driver too. Bro,

610
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: let me do mine first. As you answer this question, dude, like.

611
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: We said, you know, how does Oliver fix this?

612
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: You come back and you win it, but you win

613
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: it the way Oliver Era does it and getting hurt

614
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: and then persevering. That's the best possible way to repair

615
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: any reputational damage in this because you wanted the Charles

616
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: Oliver a way, which is like I mean, dude, it's

617
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: it's a storybook. It's almost a storybook fix. You know,

618
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: how do you fix a bad situation?

619
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: You do exactly that. Yeah, you do it.

620
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: You do it the way even to be fair that

621
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: Dana likes it. Go in there all action, guns, blaze

622
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: and styles, show some heartket off.

623
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: The deck and finish that man. Yeah, yeah, pretty great,

624
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: pretty spectacular. You know, we didn't do that women straw weights.

625
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that for just a second. Dude,

626
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: that people Okay, let me just say this. I didn't

627
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: hear the commentary for this fight. I really wonder if

628
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: they were being savaged by the commentary. And let me

629
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: say something. I am not in any way suggesting that

630
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: that fight ruled it. Fight did not rule it. Kind

631
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: of was it was. It was bad fight. It was

632
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let just call what it was.

633
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: It was a bad fight.

634
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, why can't you be honest about Okay, but people

635
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: are saying, like, oh, Rose danced around. Yeah, she kept

636
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: strong distance and like kind of kept Carla as far

637
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: as back. I'm not saying this is any kind of robbery.

638
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. Carla won whatever. Like

639
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: there was, there wasn't a lot of offense to go on.

640
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: And when it doesn't, there's not a lot of offense

641
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: to go on. You know, you can just sort of

642
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: look at this and say, well, I mean, the judges

643
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: are gonna do what the judges are gonna do. It

644
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: makes if you have three rounds or five rounds and

645
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of offense, that too, can be difficult

646
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: to judge, but I would actually argue it's more difficult

647
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: to judge when there's much.

648
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: Less and a sport in which you Your largest criteria

649
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: by far in judging is damage an aggression Rose and

650
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Carla Shoden either in this fight.

651
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: So I think when that happens, like Audu Signya versus Romero,

652
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: Olivera did get pay per viewpoints like.

653
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: auDA Signa Romero, by the way in which I said, look,

654
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: I kind of almost scored that for Romero, and we say,

655
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: I still look at that as a fault on Adasinya

656
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: for taking the chance that he could have got back

657
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: door screwed. Luke, I think that we a under reported

658
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: coming in Hey that Wayley rematch against Rose?

659
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: Did Rose?

660
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Dana White just saying winner of the Whaley and you

661
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: want to rematch gets Carla Boy gets Carla. Yeah, I

662
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: don't know about that.

663
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean, look, but here's the deal, though, if you're

664
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: if you're Danna, you can't reward Rose for this performance because, Luke,

665
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: here's what was really that bad.

666
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: I here's what, Yeah, dude, it wasn't. Here's what I

667
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: listened to.

668
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: This one point I make before you cut me off Okay,

669
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: should we have learned from Rose Waaley too? When Rose

670
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: was too careful? I thought Rose did the better work.

671
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: There was a hipster minority sort of like hey man,

672
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: Waley might have won that. But my point is Rose wasn't.

673
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: She wasn't demonstrative enough in her output. In that second fight,

674
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: she left the back door open. Luke, this fight, she

675
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: completely left the back door and the screen door open

676
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: and basically invited everyone in her house. You cannot be

677
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: mad when the judges scored against you when you did

678
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: not go out of your way to leave no doubt.

679
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: That's at the end of the day. That's It should

680
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: be a general rule in combat.

681
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: Sporty, but especially in elite uf SEM MMA, when damage

682
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: and aggression are the the the the main two things

683
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: you look at, not like in boxing where defense bring

684
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: general ships some of the other things. Without a question,

685
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: it's damage and an aggression. She didn't show it, Luke.

686
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's so it's not really aggression. It's just damage. No, no, no, no,

687
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: it's it's aggression. You know who said that to us recently,

688
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: Rich Franklin. That's under the that's under their system. Not

689
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: ten point most true. I'll take a dead wrong on that.

690
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: But but Luke, like, you can't just bet on the judges.

691
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: To your point, Yeah, agree, you can't cruise.

692
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 3: I agree that you were painting was better art than

693
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: the others when it looks exactly the same.

694
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Listen to listen to these numbers. So these again, these

695
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: are these are quantitative, not qualitative. But listen to these numbers.

696
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about Max and Volk having thirty

697
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: forty fifty strikes landing around in round one. This is

698
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: landed significant strikes. Four to four Rose versus Carla. Round

699
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: two three to four, Round three eleven to nine, that's better.

700
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Round four six to eight, Round five, thirteen to five,

701
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: that would be Rose over Carla any of those cases.

702
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: Thirteen is low and that was the high of either

703
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: of them in this fight. Carla two for eleven on takedowns,

704
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Rose one for one. The two came for Carla in

705
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: round four, which it.

706
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: Was an awful fight. It was an awful fight.

707
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just not there's just they just didn't do that.

708
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: They just didn't just a sparring session of circling around

709
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: each other. Those numbers illustrate it, dude, again, you know,

710
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: I said Romero Otosani.

711
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: How about John Jones against Thiago Santos.

712
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little bit too passive, John Jones,

713
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 3: and he could have lost that fight three rounds to two.

714
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, you didn't do enough to

715
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: leave no doubt. I feel bad for Rose, But how

716
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: about this for how awesome this division is. And Rose

717
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: has already had a career that's sort of unique in

718
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: her own right. But let's say now we get as

719
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: far as the versus the winner of Young j Check

720
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: Wayy two. That means if Rose wins in a comeback fight,

721
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: and by the way, she's got to learn this lesson,

722
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: it's a lesson that needs to be learned. Rose versus

723
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: the winner of that potential winner fight is either going

724
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: to be Rose versus as Sparsa three, Rose versus Young

725
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: j Check three, or Rose versus Wayley Shan three.

726
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, things have to happen for that to come

727
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: back together.

728
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Unless someone unless someone comes rising through the ranks out

729
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: of nowhere. That's wild, right, I mean, I mean, you know,

730
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Kenzy Durn's out there. Could it be Rose against Martinina

731
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Hardriguez next there too?

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good fight.

733
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, this is listen. We talked about Dan

734
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: Tom from MMA Junkie picking Asparsa to win.

735
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: But not like this.

736
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: He didn't pick like that, right, Well, I don't know

737
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: if anybody did. I don't know if anybody thought I

738
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: could have dude. For sure, I thought a Sparza was

739
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: a live dog, for sure. But I thought she was

740
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: a live dog by virtue of what she could do

741
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: in the wrestling department. I did not think if they

742
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: stood for five rounds. Again, the takedowns. The total control

743
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: from the two takedowns in round four for Esparsa was

744
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty seconds, not much, and then the one takedown that

745
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Rose got in the fifth round just eight seconds. It

746
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like those were prolonged ground battles. They barely touched

747
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: the ground at all. So if you're telling me, for

748
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: all but basically twenty eight seconds that this was a

749
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: fight for more or less they were standing up and

750
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: that Carla would have won, I'd be like shit.

751
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: Word like my final statement on this fight.

752
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: In elite MMA and boxing, I always think a ten

753
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: ten round is a coward way out.

754
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: They actually instruct judges in boxing to not do ten

755
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: ten rounds. Some do, but it's rare. Three of the

756
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: five rounds are like slam dunk ten ten rounds in.

757
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 3: This as far as a Rose rematch, right, Luke, I mean,

758
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: there's just no way to sort of confidently go in

759
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: either direction. I don't want to say that if a

760
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: fight sucks, Dana White should be allowed to come into

761
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: the cage and be like, forget the judges. There's a

762
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: no contest because neither of you, you know, put forth

763
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: an effort that's worthy of a title win.

764
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: But Luke, neither of these put forth an effort that

765
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: was worthy of a title win.

766
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: So that's right.

767
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: So like as much as like, okay, it makes sense

768
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: to move forward with the business.

769
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: Do Carl Logan the winner now of Rose versus Joanna

770
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: versus Wayley two? But at the same time, I'd rather

771
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: see these three fight again a third time to get

772
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: through who's the better of the two right now, because

773
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: we didn't learn that in this three match.

774
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: Look, we didn't learn that shit we learned any dude,

775
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Carla is two and zero against Rose nam Unis.

776
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Can you believe that?

777
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: That is?

778
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean of all the like sort of the weird

779
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: things that you like. For example, I remember when Nogera

780
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: fought mer. People were like, oh, yeah, Nogara's gonna wipe

781
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: the floor with him.

782
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: It's like, well, yeah, he knocked them on the fuck

783
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: out well, and he's tapped him too.

784
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: He broke his fucking arm and the worst break I've

785
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: ever seen from a kamor in mma, like worse than

786
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Tim Sylvia. Tim's was like here, but Nogara ended up

787
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: looking like the dude who rushed the stage against Dave

788
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Chappelle where his arm was all like fucked up like this.

789
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: It was crazy, crazy, crazy moment. By the way, Dana

790
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: White confirming that people can't walk out with flags anymore,

791
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: like that's a thing now, So because the post by

792
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: pressor for Dana is going on right now. Also, Jim

793
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: Duggan's gonna hate that sh fucking Connor is killing Tony

794
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He posted this and just wrote, damn bro.

795
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh that picture of talk.

796
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh dude, let me show it here real quickly.

797
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if they can zoom in?

798
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: Can you zoom in? Doesn't Oh?

799
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: Tristan trying, He's trying.

800
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Tristan looked really close.

801
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: Oh boy, and Connor sorry, well cot you get the idea?

802
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Is that congorst from kick loss in the history. There's three.

803
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: That was the way Cheeto got Frankie, Remember, had the

804
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: same look on his.

805
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: Face cheto Randy and then there's still a bellfo.

806
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, terrible. Connor is killing him on that. We should

807
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: talk about that fight as well. Here a little bit.

808
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't really have much to say about the comane

809
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, bro like people kind of

810
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: fucking hated it. No.

811
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: I mean, let's give Tony credit. He came in great shape,

812
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: he looked focused first round, he felt great.

813
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Right, I thought he won the first I agree, And dude, dude,

814
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: the I don't know what cheek it was, but there

815
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: was like swelling under the eye of Chandler and like

816
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: a big gash across his face like he was wearing

817
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: it a little bit.

818
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: What do you do now?

819
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: If you're matchmakers, what do you do now? Can you

820
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: cut Tony Ferguson after four losses against Lee?

821
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: So what Dana White is saying, if there's any kind

822
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: of consideration here, Dana White is saying that one they

823
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: sent him to the hospital for evaluation, which is probably

824
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: the right idea, and that two he said, well Tony

825
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: looked great in the first round, but he should definitely

826
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: take a long break.

827
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: But it's like, dude, he shouldn't Dani have said that

828
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: Nick Diaz looked good in that fight against Lawler.

829
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, he say look good relative

830
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: to expectation. But my point about this is, like, dude,

831
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: this is a very bad sign for Tony Ferguson. Yes,

832
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it is true that he looked to be in good condition,

833
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: where Shogun looked like, you know, he did not look

834
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: to be a great condition. But Tony looked at being

835
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: like very good physical condition and did look pretty good

836
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: with some of his striking in the first round. You know,

837
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I thought being the much more effective damaging striker, certainly

838
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: in the first round. But this is the thing. We

839
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: go back to Tony's resume at this point, right, if

840
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: you look at his losses prior to tonight, all career losses. Okay,

841
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: So he lost a car in Darabedian years ago. In

842
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, he lost to via decision. He

843
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: lost a guy by the name of Jamie Tone, he

844
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: lost by submission. This was two thousand and nine, even

845
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: pre UFC. By the time he got to the UFC,

846
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: he lost to Michael Johnson. That was being a unanimous decision.

847
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Then he lost all that didn't lose again until he

848
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: lost to Justin Gatchee. That was TKO after a brutal

849
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: beating after four and a half rounds. Then he lost

850
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: to Charles Olivera via decision. Then he lost to benil

851
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: dor Us via decision. No one quite literally in the

852
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: history of his career has ever put him out this way.

853
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: So now you not only have one, two, three, four

854
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: losses in a row, but they're getting worse.

855
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: The problem is even they're getting gonna come back against

856
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: lower competition and win. He's probably gonna take damage in

857
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: these fights going for the win right he's got, He's

858
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: probably too good offensively to walk away, which can become

859
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: a problem for an older fighter when when there's still

860
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: guys he can you know, that are decent, they can

861
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: beat the.

862
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Idea that that we're not making a claim that he

863
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: can't win in the UFC, but against the elite guys

864
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: he can.

865
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: And it's hard when you know a lot of these

866
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: guys who don't have a natural transition into own a

867
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: gym and be coach or be broadcaster.

868
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know Tony's you know sid side issue.

869
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: You know what he's got going financially, but it's hard

870
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: to tell a guy who at least can still fight

871
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: a little to stop fighting, but at.

872
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: Least on the elite level. Dude, I mean, he's done.

873
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: He's done.

874
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: So if you're the UFC, is it more humane to

875
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: give him some paydays and go out on his own terms?

876
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: Or is it more humane to say goodbye and then

877
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 3: he ends up, you know, fighting bare knuckles.

878
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: It's weird because Florida Carnival.

879
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: It depends how expensive he is. One and two, Like

880
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Miller and Andrea Arelaski. You know, they

881
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: are very valuable for the UFC in a certain regard,

882
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Like Jim Miller's taking all these newcomers, let's see if

883
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: you're ready for this kind of thing. And for Andrea

884
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: it's like are you a good heavyweight or not? If

885
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: you can beat him? So they're still valued there, Like

886
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: can Tony Does Tony want to fill that veteran filled keeper?

887
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Veteran gatekeeper to an extent? Like does he want that

888
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: for himself?

889
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Too savage for that? Dude, he's too I mean, you know.

890
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: And then the part is like, dude, think about Andre's style.

891
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: It's very careful. Now, think about Jim Miller. He's got

892
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: real like he doesn't take a lot of punishment if

893
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: he can at all avoided. Dude, Tony's whole style is

894
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: just punishment centric. Even even with a very good first round,

895
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: he still can fight offensively, but I don't think his

896
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: body can take what it needs to anymore. Thirty eight

897
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say thirty eight and one hundred and fifty

898
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: five pounds not a good place to.

899
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: Be without looking with Tony's best win without looking best win.

900
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: Pettis was a good win.

901
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: Lee for the interim title.

902
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Lee was a good win because he had to come

903
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: back from adversity.

904
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: Pettis was a wild fight.

905
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: Uh Soerny win was a good win, but not really.

906
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: That wasn't Maybe his best win the Barboza win, Dude,

907
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: he walked bar See everyone's kind of beating Barboza now,

908
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: so it doesn't count. But Tony did it when no

909
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: one else did it. He just walked him down, walked

910
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: him down, and then fucking darst him when people were

911
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: not doing that to Edson Barbosos. So that was a

912
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: big fucking win as well. Oh, dos Angos, how about

913
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: five rounds that's it. Beating Doos the sky in Mexico City. Yeah,

914
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the that's a city. Remember he changed, Josh Thompson.

915
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Josh Thompson was like, I was never the same after fighting.

916
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson has had some phenomenal, phenomenal fucking wins. He

917
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: is worthy of your respect. He is a great fighter.

918
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: Stop disrespecting him.

919
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: But but we need to acknowledge where we are four

920
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: losses in a row.

921
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: We don't let him anymore.

922
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but like, this was, this was bad,

923
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: and this was for all the folks being like, oh,

924
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: I saw some folks being like those MK guys are

925
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: not giving him the respect. He said, motherfucker. I've been

926
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: covering Tony's career before you guys were even watching him

927
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: from public workouts. I'm just pointing out, dude, you cannot, Dude,

928
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: father time is going to beat the ship out of all.

929
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: Look father time.

930
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, father Time has wrecked me in BC, and it's

931
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna wreck everybody else too, man, including prize fighters like

932
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: you cannot avoid it. It is inexorable. This was a

933
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: bad loss that we should ask about. Michael Chandler. Now

934
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: he goes to two and two in the UFC. You

935
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: can put it whatever caveat you want on it. He

936
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: beat Dan Hooker, who's kind of on a slide. He

937
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: beat Tony Ferguson on a slide. And then his losses

938
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: were too what he had lost to Olivera, and he

939
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: had a loss to who's the only one he lost,

940
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: But he had a war with gae Chee. He merely

941
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: beat Olivera. All I gotta say.

942
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: I gotta say all these guys who were like.

943
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: Oh I got so close to Olivera, Yeah, everyone does, dude,

944
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: It's only close to the horseshoes, bro and hand grenades

945
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: and handad.

946
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: He's four and o though in winning our hearts and

947
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: delivering awesome fight.

948
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: How do you view his UFC run this far? Too

949
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: and two?

950
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: Awesome?

951
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Pretty fucking great? Right?

952
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean exactly what he said he was going to

953
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: try to do, you know, not here for a long time,

954
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: here for some time.

955
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's exactly that.

956
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: But as I talked about coming in and I said, look,

957
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: if he beats Tony and does it thoroughly, you know.

958
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Could he cut everybody and get a tou dude? He

959
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: absolutely could.

960
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: I know.

961
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: He spent his time calling out Connor and maybe financially

962
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: that's the smart move. Actually, yes, financially that's the smart move.

963
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: It's a smart move in every metric, to be fair.

964
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: But Luke, I would not be upset if he got

965
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: the next time shot, would you?

966
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: What if they just said, look, the first the first

967
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: fight is the first fight against OLIVERA was so wild.

968
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, Islam's more deserving. But

969
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: Chandler does things that Dana likes.

970
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, he does things we all like, but no,

971
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: you cannot do that.

972
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: He just lost to Geigee one fight ago. Did you

973
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: like when he brought his son on the top of

974
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: the cage?

975
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Fight the fight to make? And on Twitter, Dustin Poarier

976
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: was like about it, about it, it's Michael Chandler. Dustin

977
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Poarier early thoughts on Dustin, Michael Chandler, what do you

978
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: think I mean?

979
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: Look, it's it's like the only two of these, like

980
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: these all action hammers from the same division, same era,

981
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 3: who didn't get to fight each other, right like Eddie

982
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: Eddie Fock Gegee Eddie fought Poorier, you know, and and

983
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: of course Eddie and Chandler fought twice in another organization,

984
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: but now we get if we get it, Yeah, that

985
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: that'd be that'd be.

986
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Great, Luke.

987
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: Two pieces of information here from Dana White.

988
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: Number one.

989
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: Dana White says if Bolkanovski goes to lightweight, he'd be

990
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: fine with an immediate title shot.

991
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Champion versus champion. What do you think about that? Now

992
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: we don't have a champion? Wait, Volkanowski's got to fight

993
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: Max the third time.

994
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Think I think he's saying if he gets through that

995
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: and he wants to move up, then he can get

996
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: a title shot right away.

997
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: Can we stop making future plans until people have to

998
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: just say it? I'm just saying, you gotta remember that.

999
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: Uh?

1000
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, Danna White confirming that they won't walk

1001
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: out with legs anymore.

1002
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 2: So that's pretty nice.

1003
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what else we got to White.

1004
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Cut maul Chins and Spike Terror. Look at this angle right.

1005
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: White says he wouldn't. Dana White says that he would

1006
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: still love to see Makachev versus dar Yush. I don't

1007
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: love that, but after tonight, he also wouldn't mind doing

1008
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: ola Vera versus Makachev either.

1009
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that doesn't that's not.

1010
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: That doesn't bode well for Islam.

1011
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: How come no one's making Machev fight poorier? I don't know,

1012
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1013
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh. White calls Chandler's ko the most vicious he's ever seen.

1014
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Do that's an all timer ko right there?

1015
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: It was?

1016
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Do you know?

1017
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: It was an all time expert? Meant that failed our

1018
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: live show, you know, because what were we thinking? People

1019
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: said they liked it, but I don't think.

1020
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Here's what they liked.

1021
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: They like us, and they love the idea of a

1022
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: live show because they've always wanted it from us, right,

1023
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: and then they confused themselves into thinking it was good.

1024
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: But Luke, we mixed business with pleasure, and that's not good. Okay.

1025
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: I can't be sitting here drinking out of a can

1026
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: and then trying to score fights like seriously and do

1027
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: the news reports and write new like what a horribly bad,

1028
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: unprofessional idea.

1029
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: Was to do this tonight.

1030
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: White says that people from outside the US switch scales

1031
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: to kilograms and it messes with the scale. White says

1032
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: they will likely have a security guard with the unofficial

1033
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: scale in the future.

1034
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: There's like, fuck the metrics system, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1035
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: Like fuck meters Yeah.

1036
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: White says that Chandler versus McGregor will be a fun fight,

1037
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: but that Connor is hurting already, so they won't explore

1038
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: the potential opponents until he is ready, which case they

1039
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: want to move Chandler ahead, they will, Okay, okay, okay,

1040
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: He says, Oh, recent comments from Anderson Silva confused him. Really,

1041
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: they confused you.

1042
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: Firearm to your dome? Who gets the next shot that Oliver?

1043
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Firearm to your dome? Market chop. I just don't think

1044
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: they're doing for connage, do you think so?

1045
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: Uh? Getting back to Anderson Silva, White says that he

1046
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: never said anything bad about Silva and doesn't get where

1047
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: it's coming from. I might have an idea, I think

1048
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I know. White says that he'd been pushing for Jake

1049
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Paul to box Anderson Silva. Yeah, okay, children, WHOA has

1050
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: one more fight left on his contract and Dana says

1051
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: he's going to give it to him.

1052
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: Jeezus, what do you think trilogy with osp or what?

1053
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean?

1054
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

1055
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: What we got here? Bro?

1056
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: Dude?

1057
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: You know what Chogun should be.

1058
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: He should be in BKFC.

1059
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Bro.

1060
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: Stop No, why let him go out there? And just

1061
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: knuckle some of these fuckers into the dirt. I don't

1062
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: think I want to do this anymore.

1063
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Hold on, We're not done yet. We're not done yet.

1064
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: Sit down, Sit down, we gotta finish. I don't want

1065
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: to be here any more than you do. We really

1066
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: need to finish your ass. I will you just talk

1067
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: comer make into the Hall of Fame?

1068
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean completely deserving.

1069
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: I like the emotion out of DC there to bring

1070
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: up his late parents, and I mean, look, what else

1071
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: do you want to say? They have no like weight

1072
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: period or criteria eleven and seven mets. Sarah got in

1073
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: on one day's notice.

1074
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: After his retirement. It seemed like, you know, but what

1075
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: are you.

1076
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: Gonna say about d c H A guy who, let's

1077
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: not forget Luke Dude. When he knocked out Steepe, it

1078
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: felt like he joined that upper room. It did feel like, yeah,

1079
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: and it's hard to take that away from him. But

1080
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: I think you'll go to you the same grave I

1081
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: will one day saying if you're DC, want you stop wrestling.

1082
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: After the first round of the Steepe rematch.

1083
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Canelo told the media he thought that Bivel didn't win

1084
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: more than four maybe five rounds.

1085
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't think people watch what the fuck about.

1086
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if they know how to watch boxing anymore,

1087
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: because again I boxing well, Canelo was watching it from

1088
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: the inside view.

1089
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: It was too close to the action, right, you know

1090
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1091
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: But I don't get how anybody online, include people I

1092
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: respect or like. You know, okay, you know, six rounds

1093
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: to four, seven rounds to five, eight rounds to four.

1094
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: All right, can you just contextualize how big this win is?

1095
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: How monumental is it?

1096
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back into regular mode then, real quickly?

1097
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: How big is it Canelo Alvarez losing seven to five

1098
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: basically on the judges corre.

1099
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: All right, it's big from the standpoint that Canalo is

1100
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: the biggest star in the game, and he turned down

1101
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: seemingly easier fights for a lot more money and exposure

1102
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: to continue to try to knock on the door history.

1103
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't fault him for finding out.

1104
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: That it was a bridge too far, because you have

1105
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 3: to find out your own limitations, and he was getting

1106
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: on such a stupid almost a stupid there to be

1107
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: great level of like God, maybe I'll fight at the

1108
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: cruiserweight level for the title. Maybe I'll fight it, oh

1109
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: second heavyweight. I the part of the reason why I

1110
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: predicted this loss was, you know, I started to believe

1111
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: out Asanya could do anything when he was talking about

1112
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: going up to light heavyweight and then beating Jones at heavyweight,

1113
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: and then we're like, maybe he is the special one,

1114
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, and then to see him get humbled by Blahovich,

1115
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, this is not a loss that

1116
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: hurts Canelo at all in my opinion, Okay, because it's

1117
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: so far out of the realm of his prime and

1118
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: he's facing an unbeaten champion who again nobody freaking looks

1119
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: good against, and just fought the fight of his life.

1120
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: But Luke, I'm very surprised to hear him be the

1121
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: first one in the interview to bring up the idea

1122
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: of a rematch. Now in Canelo's eyes, he thoughty one

1123
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: and then lost seven to five on all three scorecards.

1124
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: But Luke, can we still be like open affair about this?

1125
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: Seven to five is not that's not a seven to

1126
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: five fight.

1127
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: That means that happened at eleven to one.

1128
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: And even if you think I'm extreme, find me more

1129
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: than three rounds.

1130
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: Canelo could have one Okay, So this would have been

1131
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: one of those situations where let's say I scored, you know,

1132
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: seven rounds to five for Bevall, it would have been

1133
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: a Canelo win, right, or eight rouss to four for Bevall,

1134
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: it would have been a Canelo win. Why does Canelo

1135
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: think he can come back and change the results of

1136
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: this fight? And why should he try to go back unless.

1137
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: He has What is it about Canelo that they keep

1138
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: giving him scorecards? Benson Henderson in his prime was that

1139
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: way too. He would just magically get them, and you'd

1140
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: watch these fights and you'd be like dode I.

1141
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: Normally it's because there's.

1142
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: Certain people that the judges seem to find very.

1143
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: The argument for Canelo, outside of just saying corruption or whatever,

1144
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: the argument for Canelo and a lot of these close

1145
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: fights was that he does land the harder shots and

1146
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: he's very efficient. He doesn't miss a lot of shots,

1147
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: so you can score it that way.

1148
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: This wasn't that fight.

1149
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: He didn't land anything, Luke, I mean, he didn't do

1150
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: really do anything. Are you as surprised as me that

1151
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: he's he wants to run this back. I don't think

1152
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot to gain because think about it he

1153
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: already beat Koelev and knocked him out to get that

1154
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: moment of another world title at another weight class, unless

1155
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: he feels like becoming the underspeeded champion at light heavyweight

1156
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: is somehow the only way to like add to his

1157
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: resume to a certain degree. Why would you put through

1158
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: this much effort to have the chance of taking a

1159
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: second loss against a guy like Bevall who's just bigger

1160
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: than you and just better than you? Do you know

1161
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Not better than you overall, right, but

1162
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: better than you in this matchup this division.

1163
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't see how Canalo is going to come back

1164
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: and win that. Okay, what is this due to Triple G?

1165
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: Because both of those guys apparently in the ring were

1166
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: saying that they want to do the rematch. Now I'm

1167
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: not saying that to your point, it's a one seventy five, like,

1168
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: that's not what you're up against against, look at Cherry.

1169
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: But this is the thing. If they make the rematch,

1170
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: does it push off the Triple G fight to the

1171
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: point where they just don't get around to.

1172
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: It or what?

1173
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Right?

1174
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: So the question is I think you know Canelo Eddie

1175
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: hearn his own They're All going to have to sit

1176
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: down and say, you know, does it hurt to just

1177
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 3: go fight Canelo? So go fight Triple G a third time?

1178
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 3: Now it wins sixty eight. No, Canelo is the underspeed

1179
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: a champion there. If they still want to do the

1180
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: Triple G one, then do it. But I think the

1181
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: thing is, Luke, Canelo's never really been interested in it,

1182
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: so this might actually kill it.

1183
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: And it comes down to Canelo. He's got all the control.

1184
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: But yes, if he did Bevall second time and you

1185
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: push Triple G to next year, well looks he's going

1186
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: to be you know, closing out age forty one. You know,

1187
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 3: he said, not the same guy anymore.

1188
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: Peop All landing one hundred and fifty two punches just

1189
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: eighty four for Cannelts, I.

1190
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: Mean eighty four.

1191
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: So Canelo's second fewest output in a fight, Luke was

1192
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: his twenty thirteen loss to Floyd may Whether he landed

1193
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: one hundred and.

1194
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: Seventeen bunch He's landed eighty four, and dude against forty

1195
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: six jabs for Bivoal just ten.

1196
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and against Mayweather, by the way, he wasn't in

1197
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 3: that fight at all, like even for a second. Dude,

1198
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: he wasn't in this fight either, So Luke, you don't

1199
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: hold this loss against Canal. In fact, I'm gonna sit

1200
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: here and say congratulations Canelo, because you tried to find

1201
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: your limits and you found them.

1202
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: For now, Okay, what he does next is interesting.

1203
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: I don't think he should go back and fight Bovall

1204
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: again because even if he won that, Luke, he's going

1205
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: to But even if he won that, it's like we'd

1206
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: be like, okay, great, but like you've already won a

1207
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: belt before at light heavyweight. If I'm him, I go

1208
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: to sixty eight. I take the big money Benevitas fight,

1209
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: and I shut people up for that. I take the

1210
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: Jamal Charlow fight. Moving up, I make a ton of money.

1211
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: I defend my sixty eight titles in the weight class

1212
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 3: where he's just dominant at.

1213
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask a question. We work for CBS

1214
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: Sports and occasionally Showtime, so we are biased, but let

1215
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: me just ask the question. Yo, he took this. He

1216
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: had a choice to go to PBC and fight Charlo

1217
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: and a couple of the guys Benevidez or whatever, maybe

1218
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: dependent they want to do it, or he went to

1219
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: the de Owne side. Now he's gonna get paid either way.

1220
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: And again I don't.

1221
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: Fault in protecting that the bivil he did signed a

1222
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: multi fight deal with his own right.

1223
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: He did wasn't a mistake. I mean, you're getting paid

1224
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: so much and he didn't take that much damage.

1225
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: It's not right. I mean, look, in the.

1226
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: Theory, even if he wanted to fight those PBC guys,

1227
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: they could still come over across the street from their

1228
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: biggest fight ever and fight him there if he wanted to.

1229
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1230
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: We'll have to see how the end of this deal goes.

1231
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: But I think the bigger question is if he runs

1232
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: back to fight with Bevill.

1233
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: And loses a second time terrible, you.

1234
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: Know, then we then we have to I mean, look,

1235
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: you know that happened. Shane Moseley moved up and fugg

1236
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: Vernon Forest twice and and lost both. And they moved

1237
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: up again and fod wiki Right twice and lost both.

1238
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes a guy just has your numbers stylistically. But uh,

1239
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: maybe we spent too much time talking about Canelo because

1240
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 3: Dmitri v All just came out and put on a

1241
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: master That's the fight of his life.

1242
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: Dan Rayfiel was saying he talked to Canelo and asked

1243
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: him if he would reconsidered in fight trible g now

1244
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: and he said he was non committal.

1245
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1246
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, dude, this is this is a humbler

1247
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: for Canela, right, And I like that he didn't complain

1248
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: too much afterwards and he gave Bev all the respect.

1249
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: But this is a oh shit, dude, Maybe I'm not

1250
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: It's hard to say.

1251
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: What is he not? Luke? He's not Superman, right, he's human.

1252
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: But he picked the wrong guy.

1253
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: Dude, Pacio picked the wrong guy in Ugus last minute,

1254
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 3: a guy who's just too skilled.

1255
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: Too smart. Different songs.

1256
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: By the way, the winners of the Crypto dot Com

1257
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: UFC fan bonuses, I guess the fans vote paid in bitcoin.

1258
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: Olivera at number three at ten k, Chandler number two

1259
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: at twenty k. Would like to guess who the number

1260
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: one person was? Not Chandler and not.

1261
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: Olivera, Tony.

1262
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: Close?

1263
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: How about Rose?

1264
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what a stupid prize that everyone is telling

1265
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: me that like she didn't deserve to win, and that

1266
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: this was a terrible fight, we with the worst fight

1267
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: in UFC history, and that we have a chance to

1268
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: give like money to somebody else in the car who

1269
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: could really use it. I'm not against Rose getting money,

1270
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: like God bless her, but like y'all are telling me

1271
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: one thing and then you're voting for her on the

1272
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: other side.

1273
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: Get your shit together. I'm done you. I mean, these

1274
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: score cards in this Canalo fight are just bathling terrible.

1275
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: Tim Cheatham who.

1276
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: Scored it seven, They all scored seven five b ball.

1277
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: Tim Cheatham gave the first four to Canelo and round nine.

1278
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 3: Dave Mouretti gave the first four to Canelo and round nine.

1279
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: Steve Wisefeld gave the first four to Canelo and round nine.

1280
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: You watched those opening four rounds. Albeit we're split in

1281
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: the TVs, but how the hell are you.

1282
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Giving those I don't know, I really don't know.

1283
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: I mean, for one thing, he was taking a lot

1284
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 3: of snapshots and not even throwing a lot. It really

1285
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: wasn't until the middle rounds. He's really just trying and

1286
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: frustratingly coming up empty. Dude, every time Canelo landed one

1287
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: good shot two three punch combination, back at it.

1288
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: What are we missing here? I don't know? Are you

1289
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: ready to day? I don't know what to think about

1290
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: this night. I went in the other room. They're like, yo,

1291
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: BC was gritty man and people loved it. People seem

1292
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: to like it. The people have bad taste.

1293
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I have to go sit in the car

1294
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: for five hours, so we read this stuff.

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Speaker 2: We got cuts tonight. We had donuts to night. Let's

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Speaker 2: remind everyone donuts. We got haircuts tonight. We did that too.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Dion Dion from Albania for the money haircut

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Speaker 1: he cuts at Etiquette Barbershop.

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Speaker 3: And that's E T I K E T Jersey City

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Speaker 3: if you're local coming down to see Dion.

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Speaker 1: Look at my holy clothing. Thanks to everyone who watched

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Speaker 1: either this stream or the other one. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Monday Live at eleven am for a full weekend

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Speaker 1: recap picture of the whole nine yards.

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Speaker 2: You think it's a mothful, It looks like it's just

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Speaker 2: we're both trifling. I mean, that's what it comes down

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Speaker 2: to here.

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Speaker 1: There's just some trifling pieces of shit that somehow we've

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Speaker 1: convinced large corporations to give us money. But we're done here,

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Speaker 1: so we want to thank Showtime.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank the crew at Malca here who

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Speaker 2: have been like.

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Speaker 1: Do they work around the plot steady working with us,

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Speaker 1: like with the stupidest hours imaginable. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Mikey Mormle who traveled up from Florida

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Speaker 1: to come be with us here. Thank you to Matt Snyder,

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Speaker 1: to Courtney, to Brandon Wise from CBS Sports, everybody who

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Speaker 1: came up to make this weekend.

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Speaker 2: You guys made this possible.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of really cool stuff that we

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Speaker 1: shot that we did not get a chance to release,

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Speaker 1: but of course we will. It's all planned, it's all strategic,

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Speaker 1: so we're really excited about it. Give us some feedback

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Speaker 1: Morning comment at gmail dot com. What'd you think of

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Speaker 1: everything that you saw.

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Speaker 2: And your raw Brazilian nuts? Okay, all right, help your tea.

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Speaker 1: So for Malka for showtime for CBS Sports, that's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. This has been Morning Combat. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys next time. Asmar