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Speaker 1: Time for senior Moments. Bryan Sexton, along with senior writer

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Speaker 1: Senior moments as we get set to head to Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns haven't quit. Watch what they did against the lines.

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Speaker 1: They may not be very good, but they're not laying down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely not a trap game because A I don't

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Speaker 1: because they have explosive things happening on offense. Well, Jaguars

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Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. John's gonna wear silly

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