1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Are you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: so much for that. It's time for the break on 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com were on the break. What's up? Everybody? 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cowboys Break one on one. This is something 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: that we've been doing here this offseason. We're not doing 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: full shows, but we're trying to still do an element 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: of our shows and getting different guests in here. I've 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: seen a lot of different guests we're running around these 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: other shows have done a great job, but I got 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: to go. I'm sorry. They say it all the time, 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: but this truly is the goat. And all you have 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: to do is go to my office. If we ever 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: get to go there again, go to my office and 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: see this big picture I've got of Darren Woodson Woody. 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: What is up? Man? Thanks for joining me. Man, I'm 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: doing great. Can't wait for football season starting it? Uh? Look, man, 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: it's look. This sucks. I'm gonna last PAP and I'm 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: a guiding it for the longest. You know me, I 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: travel all the time. I'm either doing engagements or I'm 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: doing business or whatnot. And I'm on the road and 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: I have bitched and complained about being on the road. 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: I'm doing too much, and then COVID hits, I haven't 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: done anything. I'm at home. Now I'm away. I'm a 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: bitching because I want to get back out and get 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: back on the road. Let's just let's just get this 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: out of the way right now. Okay. Darren asked us 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: before this thing started if if there could be some 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: cussing going on. So it's gonna be that kind of 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: party here, all right, As Mike Singletary said one time, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be that kind of party. Just giving you 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: some free warning there. We'll see what our beat buttons 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: are working. But I don't really know. So, um, first 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: of all, where are you? I mean, I'm home home, Okay, 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm home. You know. I have my offices up at 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: the Star. Yeah, my two I think. But but on 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Monday Wednesday, it's Monday's Wednesdays, I go up to the Stars. 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Those are the days from off. So we go a 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: group A Monday Wednesday, Group B goes Tuesday Thursday. So 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: today being Tuesday, I'm at home. Okay. All right, So 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to it here before we get 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: into all this. You know, football talk. You said you're 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: excited about football, but you you let me just ask 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: you this, Barry Sanders in the open field and you've 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: got to make this tackle. You want to deal with 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: that or coronavirus clug. I've had to deal with both 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: because I had I ended up being uh tested positive 48 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: for COVID about in May mid May. Long story that 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: goes behind that, but you know, I was a guy, 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: and if you know my wife, Tiffany, she's a hypochondriac. 51 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: And we sheltered our selves in this house and didn't move, 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere. We you know, not so much quarantine, 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: but a whole lot of presents outside of himself but 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: as well, so we were being extremely care wife end 55 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: up going to Houston for a business and came back 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: and we ended up getting COVID to hoold the entire house, himself, 57 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: a wife, a nineteen year old, and a four year old. 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: So I've had to deal with it, kick my kick 59 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: my butt for about three or four days, and then 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: you know what it felt like. It in day two 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: it felt like at my age, at fifty one years old, 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: at my age that I played a game at full game. 63 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: It got ninety ratts and the physical partner and waking 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: up the next morning. That's what it felt like. I 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: could barely move man for in day two because if 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: my body was just so sore. And in day three, man, 67 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: I just I was fine. Day four, I was working out. 68 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: It just it hit me pretty hard for a few days. 69 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: But now I was the only one that got hit 70 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: that hard. My wife had no symptoms. Zero didn't even 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: cough or sneeze, he didn't have any effects. My little 72 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: my three year old or my whole year only had 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: a fever. Nineteen year old had a fever and he 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: got up the next day. On was no big deal. 75 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: I was the one that took it on chin for 76 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: a couple of days. So you compared it to a game. 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Was it a game that you won or you lost? 78 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Because you know, on Monday morning you feel much differently 79 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: if you'd won that game or not. Was this a loss, dude, 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: this was a double I got up with the belt on, 81 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: man I got on day day three, put the belt on. 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: He had me down, He had me on the ropes. 83 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Now he had me in the hard bar. For a second. 84 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: I found a way to squeeze out of that thing. 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: But you know, you asked the question earlier. You know 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: which one would I rather see Barry Sanders in the 87 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: open field or COVID dude, Barry any day? Wow, Barry 88 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: any day man? Because just for that one day, man, 89 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: that was I was. I was getting pound and round 90 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and pound that day. That's some good perspective right there, 91 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: because obviously there's not many safeties or defensive players that 92 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: played in the nineties that would be like, come on, Barry, 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: what you got so especially as a safety because you know, 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: there's not anyone really behind you, so like it it's 95 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: you and that's something that you dealt with your whole career. So, uh, well, 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm I'm glad you're doing well. I'm glad 97 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: that everybody you know in the in the I assume 98 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: everyone in your family's fine, perfect, so that that's great. 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: What m you said that this sucks, you know, that's 100 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: the first thing that you said, just you know, in general, 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you guys have had it and you've dealt with it, 102 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: but still it's just changed all of our lives right now. 103 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: Is that kind of what when you're talking about like 104 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: this sucks having every other day wear a mask and 105 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: just everything. Yeah, exactly, and and just being around people, 106 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, seeing you, seeing Chris, seeing 107 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: the guys up at the at the facility, you know 108 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: office right there at the facility. You know, you just 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: you just want to get back to that normal seat. 110 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to see my kid, my son, my four 111 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: year old, go back to school. That would be awesome 112 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: to the house, just the fact of having some normalcy. 113 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, my neighborhood. We walk through the stores as families. 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: We have two or three families that will walk to 115 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: the store or go to the coffee shop, you have dinner, 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: and you know, I just think, you know, that part 117 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: of being in Dallas, and that part of just being 118 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: around folks, that's the part that that I just don't like. 119 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: I just I want to get back to that normal seat. 120 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: And I know it's hey, listen, COVID has affected a 121 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: lot of different and a lot of people differently. Um 122 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: and to those who have really been affected, my heart 123 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: goes out to you because I've had some friends who've 124 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: lost their lives to COVID and it's nothing, it's nothing 125 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: to play around with. But at the same time, I just, uh, 126 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, wish everybody the best, but you know, I'd 127 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: love to get back to that normalcy as well. Well. 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: And let me as I transition into football, let me 129 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: just preface by saying, you know, we understand everybody understands 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: that football takes a major backseat to everything else that's happening. 131 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: So but still we like to talk about football. We 132 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: hope to kind of get that back. So I am 133 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: going to shift gears to that um and also talking 134 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: about the coronavirus. I mean, it's been such a big 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: deal as far as the NFL and the players Association 136 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do here. Now you're 137 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: seeing some players opt out, a couple of players on 138 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster opting out, and you know, the players 139 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: are making sure that they you know, getting tested every day, 140 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: and so what are your thoughts on that as far 141 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: as you know players risking, is it a risk reward situation? 142 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that that they should say, hey, we're 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: not getting out there unless unless this thing is one 144 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: hundred percent safe, or you know, do you you agree 145 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: with some of the players that are saying, now I'm 146 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not doing I got a 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: family to protect. So I think players have options. They absolutely, 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: and that their health that they're putting their trouble one. 149 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Then they have option to say, no, I don't want 150 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: to do this. I want to put myself, my family. 151 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to put anyone at risks. Uh, and 152 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss that mess the season. I can only 153 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: put myself in this situation. And you know, we've never 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: experienced anything like this. So what we did experience was 155 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: nine to eleven and that was traumatic to the country 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: and it was emotional. Um and I guess we missed 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: a I guess we missed a week of a game 158 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: or whatnot, But it was that was a traumatic part 159 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: of what I went through that this is totally different 160 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: because this has affected everyone in every vertical around the country, 161 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: around the world, and it's a process in which you, 162 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, even individually, to look at yourself and say, 163 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: am I willing to take on the risks of walking 164 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: into a room of fifty three players and someone getting 165 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: COVID and now we're all exposed to it, and then 166 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking that back to the house my wife, maybe 167 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: my mom lives with me, who maybe of a sixty 168 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: years old and above. I mean, there's so many risks 169 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: that are inherent in being around a lot of players. 170 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be willing to take that risk. 171 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: If it was me, I would probably look, I've always 172 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: been a guy that loved the game and I wanted 173 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: to keep it back. I want to keep it natural 174 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: and keep the normal I want to get back to 175 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the normalcy or whatnot. I think I would to be 176 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: a guy that would play I honestly do. I think 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: I would have got that would have walked in, try 178 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: to understand all the repercussions and you know how we're 179 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: going to go about testing and making sure the locker 180 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: room is safe, because safety is first in this situation, 181 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: and I would want to know all there is to 182 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: know about that walking into that locker room and then exposure. 183 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, listen, it is you 184 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: can't live in an I'd like the NBA is they're 185 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: living in a bubble. You know. In the NFL, there's 186 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: so many moving parts. It's not just the players, it's 187 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: the training staff, it's the equipment staff, it's the PR department. 188 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: You have, so I mean, you have a huge group 189 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: of people, and then when you go play a game, 190 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: you have to trans transfer all that on a plane. 191 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: To a hotel and all that. So there's there's it's 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: gonna be hard for the NFL to manage this. And 193 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: I can understand why players or some players are opting out. 194 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: They want to take care of their help, they'll take 195 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: care of the family. But then a guy like me, 196 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't play. Yeah, you know, you're right. It's 197 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: it's such a weird time because you know, just an 198 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: NFL huddle, it's something that that we're not allowed to 199 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: do right now. So distancing that's a major part of 200 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: the game, you know. So it's gonna be really interesting 201 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: that to see just this how this whole thing plays out. 202 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: And let's let's assume that it does. Let's assume that that, 203 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna get this thing started and the 204 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna get them to play. And you know, 205 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about the safety position, 206 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, I that's something you know really yeah, well 207 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: you know a little bit, you know, I mean, the 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't really addressed it since Roy Williams like and 209 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: with a high pick and uh and you were playing 210 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: with him back then. So you know, there's been a 211 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: lot of talk about them trading for players and it 212 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: just didn't work out. Obviously with Jamal Adams, he was 213 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: traded recently to Seattles. Uh what do you think about that? 214 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: Two first round picks and a third round pick? Wow? 215 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: That man? I love Jamal Adams, Carrolton, boy man, love 216 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: the kid out. He's top three safety in the league. 217 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: And you know, but yeah, but he was a guy 218 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: that I was just hoping the I was bring off, 219 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, specifically because the kid has so much passion 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: for the game. I mean, he loves to play the game. 221 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: Is he the best cover guy in the league now? 222 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: To say the position now? Probably not, But he finds 223 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: a way to get around the football. He finds a 224 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: way to be passionate on the field and then be 225 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: the leader in the locker room of loud at times 226 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: and noxious at time. People probably don't like him, but 227 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: he has that I don't give a damn attitude. What 228 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: you want the Charles Hayley type of mentality, what you 229 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: want on your team. So do I think he would 230 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: have really lifted this defense to another level? Absolutely? But 231 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: two first round picks and then it was a third 232 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: and then a player was it? Uh? Yeah, yeah, Google, 233 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: that is a lot to give away. I could not 234 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: see the Cowboys given that away. Uh and basically, you know, 235 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: putting the risk, you know, first round picks that could 236 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: probably that could really impact your team. You know, listen, 237 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: I know everybody says, well, he's a proven commodity. You 238 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: know what you're getting at the same position. But not right, 239 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: not two first round picks. I'm picking late twenties. Yeah, okay, 240 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: there you go. But I'm no, I'm not doing that. 241 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: And you know that that happens a lot because people 242 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: will say, well, you know, no way the Cowboys should 243 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: have done that. It's just like seeing different people that 244 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: buy a car. Well, there's no way I would I 245 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: would spend money for that car. Well, because you can't 246 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: afford it. Seattle, you know, it's still rich. But Seattle 247 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: is picking late. They do have a quarterback under contract. 248 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: They have proven to be in the playoffs every year 249 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: here for the last few years. They kind of know 250 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: what they are. They may be a player or two away. 251 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys can say that, so, you know, 252 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think Seattle. Yeah, but I wonder what 253 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: you think? What is Russell Wilson? I mean, what do 254 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: you think Russell Russell Wilsons. They're thinking, Okay, my off 255 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: line hasn't protected me because I walked in the lead. 256 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: I haven't had a left tackle, uh a round guard. 257 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: I've been running around, trampling around, trying to save my life. 258 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: But you're gonna give up two first or a safety, 259 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: which ID He's probably looking at this like, uh little 260 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: little hit scratcher on his part. Thing. You know, look, 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: he needs he needs a protection, and you just gave 262 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: up two high picks for one guy. Now, look, this 263 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: is what I will say. If you're Seattle, you you 264 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: make this, make this decision base on the fact. Believe 265 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: that he pushed sprints. He gives you the legitimate chances defensively. 266 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: To Ell, it's that much more to give you a 267 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: shot to be in the super Bowl, because I don't 268 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: see any other way you could make that decision. You 269 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: just think, Okay, well we're gonna they're already a playoff team. 270 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: They're already a playoff team. We know su us again, 271 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: does Adams making a Super Bowl contender? And that to 272 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: me is I know he does not make He doesn't 273 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: lift the defensive that much. No, no, no disrespect to 274 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: the position because you mastered it does any safety, there's 275 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: a there's a safetan, there's a safety, there's position. You know, 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: are they effective enough to to make that much of 277 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: a difference. No, And I think now I wouldn't even 278 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: say wide receivers put you in that category. I would 279 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: say a quarterback for sure, a tackle maybe, I would say, 280 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know, I just feel out the 281 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: game is geared to so much that safety does it not? 282 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't make that big on a play to play situation 283 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: where he can tran transform the game, and and and 284 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: being imp player and uh, you know, give you point. 285 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: The same time, I still think that it's offensive the 286 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: way the game is played. Now, all right, well, I'm 287 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: gonna I agree with you on that. Now, the Cowboys 288 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: have signed hat Clinton Dix, they got in Xaviel Woods 289 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: at the safety position. Their secondary is gonna a little 290 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: bit unproven there. So I'm gonna ask you this. Do 291 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: you think that this team, if you're looking at what 292 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have, are they in a position where they 293 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: are gonna have to outscore some teams? They got a 294 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of receivers they're gonna have, That's how they're gonna 295 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: have to win games. Yes, Yes, is that I still 296 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: think I think they short some things offensive. Let me 297 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: on the defensive line. I'm also curious to see even 298 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: some of these veteran players that are coming in that 299 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: they brought in, like Gerald McCoy. I love to see 300 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: what Gerald McCoy looks like here coming up, I mean 301 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: i'd be I'm very interested in Larry Pope, Ontario Pope. 302 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: I see what he looks like. You know, at this age, 303 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: you know he's moved around here and there and how 304 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: he fits in there. But you're gonna sit there. I'm 305 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: gonna look at the top football team. I know what 306 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: I have at the quarterback position, at the running back 307 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: and still one of the top off the line in 308 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: the league. I think they can get better up front. 309 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: And then now you bring in a wide receiving corps one, two, 310 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and three that can match up with anybody. Look, you 311 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: gotta put some points on the board. You got weapons 312 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: galore on the office side of the ball, and it's 313 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 1: up the back and that offense to put those points up? 314 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Oh, look at you. I was 315 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: a little so I needed a shirt on. Yeah that 316 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: looks good. You know I can't I look a little 317 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: link in that picture man, that makes one of us, 318 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: uh not me, but no. I was actually I didn't 319 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: get to go to the office and I was looking 320 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: at stuff and I was like, oh, this shirt, What 321 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: am I gonna do with that? I was like, if 322 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I ever get Woody to come on this WebEx, I'm 323 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: gonna you know, I actually have a glass too. They 324 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: made these ring of honored glasses or whatever, So yeah, 325 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: I'll drink that a little bit. Now. I just wanted 326 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: to show some love there a little bit. So I 327 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: gotta ask you something. Nick. You're there every goal. Okay, 328 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: you're there every day. You cover this team weekend and 329 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: week out. Now I'm gonna give you the top three 330 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: wide receivers. And it's on the Cowboys team. And everyone's 331 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: already anointing them ass, you know, the best wide receiving cors. 332 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I've heard this time and time again, Michael Gallo, Amari Cooper, 333 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: Cede Lamb. Are you anointing them as the best wide 334 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: receiving corps in the NFL? I'm not. I'm not. We 335 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: actually did a poll on our own staff ranking all 336 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: the positions on the team. I didn't put them number one. 337 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: They got ranked that way because the other writers did 338 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: I think I see two Pro bowlers. I had two 339 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls combined. I mean with both A Maria Cooper. 340 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: I think Gallant on his way up and Ceedee Lamb 341 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: could be out outstanding. Um, but I'm not. I'm not 342 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: there yet for for the top three, just because you 343 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: know it, yes, one to three sounds great. You know, 344 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: it's just like in basketball, who's your top three players? 345 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: That's great? But if Lebron's my number one, I'm feeling 346 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: good about it. So I don't know. I think some 347 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: of the other teams that have a clear cut number 348 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: one receiver, um, this would be, are a little bit better. 349 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not there yet. Ceedee Lamb, I think 350 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: he could be outstanding, but I want to see how 351 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: it all plays. That's exactly where I am right now. 352 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm waiting to see the transition, because look, Ceedee Lamb 353 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: was phenomenal. At Ou used to love the wife. I 354 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: used to tune into use game even his freshman year, 355 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: coming in as a true freshman and playing about this 356 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: kid is ridiculously good at that level. I just you know, 357 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: we see it every year. A college football player that's 358 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: elite at a position and he makes that transition and 359 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: he's no longer the same person. And I'm curious to 360 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: see what he looks like. I want to see. I 361 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: want to go to practice to see what he looks like. 362 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: Because if he has made that transition, who boy, whole boy, 363 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: Because now you have a guy that can really work 364 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: the middle of the field and it's not just about 365 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: to catch his catchability yet. If that carries over, that's 366 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: a different weapon, totally different. Yeah, you're you're right about that. 367 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: What some of these highlights we've seen where he's just 368 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: catching the bubble screens and then we've been through people. 369 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: We haven't seen a player on this roster that can 370 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: do that kind of stuff, right, So you're right about that. 371 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: And I think Gallup, I mean to me, Gallup has 372 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: a chance to really be the Alvin Harper of Like 373 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: you can't double everyone, you just can't fell safety. So 374 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: go win, you you know your battle. I think Blake 375 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: Jarwin's gonna get a lot of open looks, you know 376 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: down the scene. You just can't cover everybody. Oh man, 377 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: that's first up. As I've heard you mentioned Jarwin's name 378 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: a ton over the last year. I think you've I 379 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: think you've been pro jarrowin there for a while. I 380 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: don't know. You got me, you got me wrong, because no, no, 381 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: I listen and I tell you anybody don't don't do it. 382 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, hey, just like I'm loyal to 383 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: my guys twenty eight, I'm loyal to eighty two as well. 384 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: I was I was. I'm pro Witten all the way. 385 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: All I've said about Jarwin is we just don't don't know. 386 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: And part of it was because Whitten was in the 387 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: way and Whitton never got off the field. I get it. 388 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: So Jarwin's gonna get a chance to really do some things. 389 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: But um, you know, and I think athletically, I think 390 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: he's he's really good. I just I wonder about, hey, 391 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: can he be that blocker that you need? Is he 392 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: gonna be as consistent? But with this offense, he is 393 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: going to get opportunities to do some good things. So yeah, 394 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: because I think the one thing you're going to see 395 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: with jar one, especially what the other three wide receiver, 396 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: is the middle of the field will get stretched. Yeah, 397 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: it's going to get You're gonna have to do some 398 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: work defensively. One of the hardest things to do is 399 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: you have a wide receiver such as Amari Cooper. You're 400 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: always worried to concern about him. So it takes a corner, 401 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: possibly a safety to double him or keep an eye 402 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: out on looking for him, roll coverage his way or whatnot. 403 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: Now you got backside, he got backside one on one, 404 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: whether it be specifically if you have a tied end 405 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: that can really run and stretch the middle of field, 406 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: now that presents so many problems, or the opposite side 407 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: of the field. So I look, I'm the best, I'm 408 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: the biggest Winton fan, but I do think that they 409 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: need to get more athletic at the position, and I 410 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: think jar One can't build that role. All right, what 411 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: was your best defense that when you were with the Cowboys? 412 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: I mean it has to be one of those with 413 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: Dion right, Uh no, no, no, the best defenses were 414 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: ninety two ninety three. And Deon is probably the best 415 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: player ever play as he's the best deepensive players. Shut down, 416 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: do his job, don't worry about him. He's gonna win 417 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: his battles one on one. But when you look at 418 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: that ninety two ninety three team and the defensive line 419 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: rotation that was coming off bench, dude, we didn't have 420 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: to cover. I was spoiled in the back end because 421 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: it was one thousand and one without that ball. Better 422 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: be out of your hand, Steve Young. She was calling 423 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: him out. Okay, Um, before you get you know, you 424 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: start naming those guys, it's probably better that you don't 425 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: say Dion because there's there's not a DN in the 426 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: league right now, no my opinion, So forget that. Nobody 427 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: has that. So if on your best defensive team, let's say, 428 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: let's call it ninety ninety three, because I want you 429 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: definitely being in one of the starters ninety three or 430 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: ninety four. Um, how do you how does that defense 431 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: go up against this Cowboys team that on offense that 432 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: we expect. What are y'all trying to do here? Because 433 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: you got you know, Cooper is going to be out here, 434 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: Gallip will be over here, a CD all over the place, 435 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: and did he got Zeke back there? Kind of defense 436 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: would you even think about to try to go up 437 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: against this offense? Look, I mean times have changed, man, Honestly, 438 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's a hard that's like a hypothetical base 439 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: basically based on the fact that you know, in ninety two, 440 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: you guy can basically grab you at a lot of scrimmage, 441 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: pull you down till it on your shirt. I had 442 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Larry Brown on the outside, I was working 443 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: with the slot. We had Robert Bailey, a lot of 444 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: got different guys who are playing in the slot. This 445 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: is ninety three those seasons, you know, and then the 446 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: other safeties and all. So that's a tough match. That 447 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: would be a damn there impossible matchup for us to 448 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: win across the board, like individually, because they're gonna get there, 449 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: especially the way the game is played now. Individually, we're 450 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: gonna get their wins hands down. I think the differences 451 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: is having a pass for us, a legitimate pass rush 452 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: on every down coming off the edge, either it be 453 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, Charles Haley or Tony Tolberd or bringing pressure 454 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: from the inside or Russell Maryland. At some point, it's 455 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: almost like like we just said, you gotta double somebody. 456 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: You're gonna double Haley. You better believe now you're working 457 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: one on one on the inside. And that's that's the 458 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: push that that defensive line had up the middle of 459 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: the We're gonna push the same thing when you saw 460 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: when we put well through the young sucking on the 461 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: lollipop back too. But you see, you're not serious, right, 462 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you every game 463 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: you played in nineteen ninety two and the score of 464 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: the games. So don't don't don't start with that stuff, right, Okay, 465 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Okay. So, uh, you know when we when 466 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: playing the Super Bowl and Jim Kelly gets hurt because 467 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: the pressure was so much in his face, Yeah, he 468 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: get hurt. He get hurt by Ken Norton. That's the 469 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: way Norton Junior hit him. Yeah. Ken Norton Junior is 470 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: the one that actually heard him in that game that 471 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: was fifty two to seventeen that y'all won. Yeah, yeah, 472 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: I remember the game. So that's how that's that's the 473 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: way you would play this team. It's like, I mean, 474 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: I think anytime you played the Cowboys, you got a 475 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: pressure because you're not gonna I mean, especially now if 476 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: CD is who he is, it's gonna be hard to 477 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: defend them across the board. Um, in one on one situations, 478 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna get double. Hands down, he's getting double. Now, 479 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be up to gallop in CD and Jar 480 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: want to win one on one battles. Just just just 481 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: thinking about all that and just thinking about your offensive 482 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: line and how you know I picked in my opinion, 483 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: I thought the best position this team has is his 484 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I just think that Tyrant is one of 485 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: the best in the league still and Lyell is one 486 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: of the best right tackles. That right there, that position 487 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: is so solid. You got a running back core that 488 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: that I think is really good. Then you got the 489 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: receivers in quarterback. I mean your quarterback position is really 490 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: good too. You got a backup now that that started 491 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: so many and Dad's ready I think to take it 492 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: to the next level. Um, I'm gonna ask you one 493 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: more question and then and then I know you gotta go. Um. 494 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's some animosity? There will be 495 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: animosity Dak this team they get the deal done. Do 496 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: you think Dak is professional enough to say, hey, we'll 497 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: worry about it when it's time to worry about it. 498 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: I have a job to do. I think he's gonna 499 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: do his job. He's gonna stay true to who he is. 500 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: And what have we seen with Dak Prescott outside of 501 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: him not getting his deal done and he and the 502 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: Cowboys not getting this done? Still done. He's been professional 503 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: in the locker room. He's been professional far to build 504 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: up to the season. As far as his work ethic, 505 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: He's going to be professional. He's probably gonna be even 506 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: more so going into this year because you can imagine 507 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: if he has a light of lights out season this year, 508 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: what that's going to look like next year and the 509 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: pressure that's going to put on the organization with Dak Prescott, 510 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: and that he's going to be a sour in the 511 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: locker room. That's not that's that's kid. He's gonna come 512 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to play. He wants me, and I think he want 513 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: he has that chip on his shoulder where he wants 514 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: to show everyone that he is the guy in the 515 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Tell us about your podcast. I know you 516 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: had Michael Ever on the other day. You got Tyler Kless. 517 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: That's on there with you. You guys are you guys 518 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: are doing it weekly? Right? Doing it weekly? Yeah? You 519 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: got who was some of the guests you got coming up? 520 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: You got anybody hard. It's hard to top Michael. That 521 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: was That was awesome. That was outstanding awful. Listen and 522 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: I lost you. I lost you the first second there. Okay, 523 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's okay, okay, what's all got me now? Yeah? 524 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: I got you now. So we had we just did 525 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: Eric Crescy yesterday, who is for all those that are 526 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: that are baseball fans and baseball players or have young 527 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: kids that are that want to play baseball. Eric Cresci 528 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: is the guy that works with shoulders. Uh. He works 529 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: with over one hundred MLB players that come and train 530 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: with him with about arm strength, pitching, whatever position player 531 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: you want to be. But there's a phenomenal job working 532 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: with them. So any kids that are out there are 533 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: families or moms and dads that want to talk baseball, 534 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: tune into our last week's show. But we have so 535 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: many guys that have come on again, you mean, and 536 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Mike Troy came on about a month ago and it 537 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: was the first time and I've known Troy forever and 538 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: we got into the depths of you know, his transition 539 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: from his childhood, how he was brought up this time 540 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma uh, And it was the first time that 541 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: we really pulled back that onion of Troy as the 542 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: person I've ever heard anyone for. So but you know, 543 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: we have so many more. We have Dion coming on 544 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to get my boy Emmett to 545 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: get on here, assumed. And it's not so much about 546 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: the podcast. It's not so much about where they are now. 547 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: We want to talk about the story of the journey 548 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: of Emmett, you know, as a kid, the ups and downs, 549 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: the highs and lows, or the winds and losses, and 550 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: what made him who who he is today. So that's 551 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: the that's the the Darren Witchard show man. It's all 552 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: about the journey going forward. So that's right now. Can't 553 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: can't wait to check check those out. And and you 554 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: told me a story one time about Troy Aikman that 555 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. Just I think you were going through 556 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: some kind of weird financial thing and something that happened 557 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: and he got in the newspaper and he pulled you aside, 558 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: and you were still a young guy at the time, 559 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: and pulled you aside and said, you know, ask for 560 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, if he could help you with anything. And 561 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: that was a Troy that you didn't even know existed. 562 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't think at the time I had no idea this. 563 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: And that was a ninety four or ninety three, ninety 564 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: four man. He stepped up to the plate, man and 565 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: the true leader that he was just you know, gay man, 566 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, shoulder to lean on. So he was phenomenal. Man. 567 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: He was phenomenal on the podcast as well well. And 568 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: I know this because I got to cover you at 569 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: the end of your career and those shoulders that you had. 570 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: There was a lot of young, defensive backed, young players 571 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: any side of the ball leaning on your shoulders as well. 572 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: That there's there's never really, in my opinion, been a 573 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: defensive leader like you on our you know, on this 574 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: team that I've seen in the last few years. So, uh, 575 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 1: you said you were what fifty fifty one? I think 576 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: you can still No, no, no, yes, it's not really 577 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: that much difference. Yeah, my brain tells me that got Yeah, 578 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: my body is saying, hell no, I'll stop paying. You're 579 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: lying to you. But but I can say this, Nick, 580 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm still the big the number one Cowboy fan in 581 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, I believe that blue and that 582 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: star means so much to me, man, and the fan 583 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: base has always been great to me. Um, you know, 584 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: throughout the years, and my family and and also you know, 585 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm the same guy and I want to see you 586 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: in the Star and I want this team to go 587 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Bro me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 588 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Well a lot of times people say, man, you you've 589 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: been there so long, you've seen it all, and I'm like, no, 590 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: I've never seen an NFC championship game. Yeah exactly. But 591 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: but what you said about being you know, true to 592 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: the you know cowboys, being a cowboy forever. Uh, that story. 593 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: I know you when you went in the Ring of Honor, 594 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: that was awesome, But the day you got told that 595 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: you were going in, when Jerry was like, Darren, come 596 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: on up here, and your first thought was grabbing getting cut, 597 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: I mean You're like, oh no, I'm not a player anymore, 598 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: so what could this mean? But just you know, you 599 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: never played for anyone else. You know, you're Dallas cowboy, 600 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: no shot in it and those guys that did it, 601 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: but because you don't understand it, you know, but man, 602 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: you're a Dallas cowboy forever and getting just I remember 603 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: you talking to you that day. You were so happy, 604 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: so relieved to finally get in and you're gonna be 605 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna be happy. Yeah, that day that that that 606 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen for you in Canton. I know it 607 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: will I about wouldn't Wit made a decision to go 608 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: to the Raiders. I was thinking about that same time. 609 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: I was at the practice and I was downstairs. I 610 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: was working at espand of the time when the Jones 611 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: has asked me to come up to the tower and 612 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: present to me to be there, you know, being the 613 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor or whatnot. But I was sitting there 614 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about that moment, Man, and I 615 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: just wish, like I love with Man, he's been phenomenal. 616 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: I just wish he would have thought through the process 617 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: of you know, this is where I started, this is 618 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: where it should end. I mean, that star, what he's 619 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: meant to this organization for that many years, It's going 620 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: to be hard. And I saw in it go to 621 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: Arizona and broke my heart. Man, to watch him play 622 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: with in another jersey. It's sort of the same thing. 623 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: We tune in this year and we see eighty two. 624 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's going to be number 625 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: eighty two in Oakland. I mean, that's going to be 626 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: a hard thing to take a look at, man, because 627 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: you know, you know, once you start hearing with this organization, Man, 628 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: I firmly believe needed end, especially when you're not twilight 629 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: of your career, goad end of the at home. Yeah. 630 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: Let me say this though, and this is a perspective. 631 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if you had this perspective. I saw 632 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: every time went and caught a pass last couple of seasons, 633 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, this year and then two years ago, and 634 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: every time he gets tackled is all everyone's snickering in 635 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: the lot in the press box, and then think he's 636 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: too old, all this stuff. When he made that one 637 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 1: handed catch against the Rams, everybody was like, what, who's that? 638 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: And he's heard about it and he's I think he 639 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: still feels like he can play. You know, he wanted 640 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: to come here, and he wanted to come here. Let's 641 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: make no mistake that the head coach did not want 642 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: that to be a part of what they were doing. 643 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: So you know, he still feels like he could play. 644 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: I kind of I get it. But man wearing that 645 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: black and goal. Yeah, well, I'm glad we're not playing 646 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: him in the preseason or you know, not not having 647 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: to see it. Of course, he's not the only one. 648 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of former Cowboys over there, coaches and players. 649 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the where it goes. But hey, maybe 650 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: he just wants to go to Vegas. You know who knows. 651 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: I know, I know you got somewhere to be. It's 652 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: went way longer than than we were supposed to go, 653 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: but I could. I could go another hour, just because 654 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: it's so great catching up with you, so thank you 655 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Woody, no problem, man, get 656 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: back in touch with your brother. We'll talk later. To go, 657 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: Jared Woodson, see it. That's one on one Cowboys break. 658 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.