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Speaker 1: Beautiful day in Green Bay. I suspect another beautiful day

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Speaker 1: in the valley? Is that? That's probably about right. Dan

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Speaker 1: Buyer's here, Jay Stew's here. We're here and ready to serve,

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Speaker 1: Rady to serve. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's

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Speaker 1: get after it. Last night as expected, Chargers win, Chargers cover,

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Speaker 1: Chargers rule, Let Raiders suck. Goodnight now, good night now,

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Speaker 1: good night Now. Then there was this weird part in

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Speaker 1: was that the first of the second half. It may

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Speaker 1: even both halves. I don't know, like that was a

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Speaker 1: lot of football. I enjoyed it right because the Texans

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers game wasn't a great game, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden it's spun out of control by the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: and then Baker Mayfield comes back to save the day,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in the show. But it

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Speaker 1: was not a particularly well played game. And then late

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Speaker 1: in the game there was a ton of action and excitement.

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Speaker 1: And then you go to the Chargers game. A lot

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Speaker 1: of turnovers, especially from Geno Smith, and the Chargers weren't great,

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Speaker 1: but they got away with a win and now they're

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Speaker 1: two and zero. But there was this moment I believe

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Speaker 1: half where they showed the coaches box and Chip Kelly's

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of the Raiders, and you know they

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Speaker 1: always have three guys lined up there, right, You got

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and then two other guys and they all

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Speaker 1: got their headsets in and they're all taking notes. And

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Speaker 1: then they panned to three other gentlemen sitting above them,

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Speaker 1: and there's Tom Brady, like, where's Waldo. A couple things

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Speaker 1: to think about. One, the optics were at minimum weird. Two,

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Speaker 1: why does he insist on wearing a tie or a

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Speaker 1: get it. You're rich, you can dress up in all

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Speaker 1: of the finest habitastary, but you're in a booth watching

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Speaker 1: football like everybody else is in a quarter zip.

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Speaker 1: And then the third thing was how does the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league feel about it? I want to discuss that.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my thoughts in a second. First, you

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Speaker 1: heard this from Dan Byer. Let me reiterate what the

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Speaker 1: NFL said via Brian McCarthy, who apparently is their spokesperson.

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Speaker 1: There are no policies that prohibit an owner from sitting

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Speaker 1: in the coach's booth or wearing a headset during a game.

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Speaker 1: Brady was sitting in the booth in his capacity as

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Speaker 1: a limited partner. All personnels sitting in a booth must

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Speaker 1: other than the league issued equipment, such as a Microsoft

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Speaker 1: including the Super Bowl, and of course with any production

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Speaker 1: or players to determine what they say in these sessions. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm a really opinionated person. I wouldn't have been able

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Speaker 1: to last in this space if I didn't have strong opinions.

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Speaker 1: But Jay stew likes to accuse me of sitting on

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Speaker 1: And remember, I've actually I haven't done a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So then their their communication guy comes in and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: Brady is not yet, I think, capable of smartly sharing

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Speaker 1: Patriots during Spygate. It's guilt by association. The Patriots were

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Speaker 1: But he is Luke didn't remember the Flake Gate. Was Brady,

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Speaker 1: however guilty he was or not. That's greaty spygate. Brady

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Speaker 1: Now he's a partial owner of the Raiders, He's heavily

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Speaker 1: However much they use it doesn't actually matter optically. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, you've covered this for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: At least no one says paranoid as football coaches about

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Speaker 1: inside information getting out. Absolutely, And so with that, like,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to give us some insight what he sees,

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Speaker 1: what he thinks we could do. He's basically a consultant

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Speaker 1: who paid money to be a consultant. But the NFL

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Speaker 1: a word that's missing from are you kidding me? Now? Dan,

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Speaker 5: It's abhorrent for me for his job. I love it

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Speaker 3: You five percent owner of the Las Vegas Ratus, sit

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Speaker 6: Un unspoken embargo on information. Well, if you're the Bears

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Speaker 2: Doug, I think that, you know, I'm always looking for

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Speaker 2: and you're trying to build on it and make his

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Speaker 2: coaches a special team's coach and a defensive coach, and

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Speaker 2: you know, not surprisingly, Mac Jones won completely backwards. So

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Speaker 2: I think overall the feelings from the players was that

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Speaker 2: Belichick was extremely instrumental in the early years of Brady,

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Speaker 2: and I think you'd have to be foolished not to

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Speaker 2: think that way. But as as the years went on

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Speaker 2: and Tom you know, went from being okay, only Peyton

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Speaker 2: Manning is better to well, he's as good as Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 2: Then he's better than Peyton Manning. Now is he as

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Speaker 2: good as Joe Montana. No, he's better than Joe Montana.

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Speaker 2: As he took those progressive steps, it became more bratest

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Speaker 2: team than Belichick's team. And I think the last seven

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Speaker 2: years was completely Brady.

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Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the great

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Speaker 1: Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's

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Speaker 1: about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's

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Speaker 1: it's just fascinating, it's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's

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Speaker 1: back coaching in college?

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Speaker 2: Well, if he wants to prove it come going without Brady.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to prove it by being in North

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Speaker 2: Carolina unless he wins the National Championship, which I mean,

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Speaker 2: I follow college football somewhat, but I don't foresee that

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Speaker 2: happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves to coach,

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Speaker 2: and he didn't have anything else he wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: and he's still felt he had the passion for it,

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Speaker 2: and he knew he wasn't going to get a job

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, so he took the job at Carolina.

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Speaker 2: It's a worse time I mean, as you know, to

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Speaker 2: be a college coach at like in a major university,

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Speaker 2: because you got to deal with the NILS and the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team

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Speaker 2: every year. I mean, who wants that where you've never

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Speaker 2: coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate

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Speaker 2: he was to coach again, that he throw himself into

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Speaker 2: the most chaotic time in college sports history.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can I give you another, maybe a different

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Speaker 1: way of looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant.

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Speaker 1: And here's how what the NFL people have told me.

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Speaker 1: And again, you've done research, you've done a book. I'm

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Speaker 1: just you know, sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: but they said, hey, you know what Belichick and those

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Speaker 1: guys did best was they were the best at the

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Speaker 1: waiver wire of anybody. They could find a guy who

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Speaker 1: hit Wes Welker, you know, and turn him into a superstar.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's an arrogance there to where I

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Speaker 1: love Michael Lombarty, he's actually a family friend, but there's

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Speaker 1: an arrogance there to where like, hey, we can essentially

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Speaker 1: every year is for you agency in college football. We

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Speaker 1: can evaluate better than anybody else, and so we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to find diamonds in the rough. Uh and then

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Speaker 1: use the fact that we're you know, we're Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: with the high end guys, we'll be able to even

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Speaker 1: at North Carolina with less of a budget. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they have a really good budget than some of the

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Speaker 1: big boys. We're just smarter than you, right, because that

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Speaker 1: was always their thing with how they drafted, that was

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Speaker 1: always their thing with how you know, we just we

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Speaker 1: think we're better at developing. We think we're better at

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Speaker 1: finding diamonds rup. I think part of it is they

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Speaker 1: think that, yes it is chaotic, but it's every year

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Speaker 1: free agency and they can evaluate better than other people.

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Speaker 2: Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds

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Speaker 2: in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who

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Speaker 2: have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or

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Speaker 2: Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money

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Speaker 2: will probably about the same. Then it comes down to

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen year old's living room

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Speaker 2: with the kid's parents and they say, this guy's going

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Speaker 2: to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go play for this seventy three

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Speaker 2: year old. I don't know how long he's going to

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Speaker 2: be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal

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Speaker 2: to me. I think it can go either way. But Doug,

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Speaker 2: I think the whole key to whether he has success

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Speaker 2: in North Carolina is whether he can find a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that he'll get a five star

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Speaker 2: quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid wants to

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Speaker 2: go play, but he proved in New England. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to have He did it with a six round quarterback,

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Speaker 2: so if he can, I mean, he's never going to

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Speaker 2: find another Brady. But he doesn't necessarily have to find

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Speaker 2: somebody like that. He just has to find somebody who's

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Speaker 2: really good. And you know, whether he hits Jack Pott

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Speaker 2: and gets the five star quarterback, or you know, finds

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Speaker 2: a kid who is sitting on the mentioned in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and and thinks he

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Speaker 2: has potential and then can develop them. Maybe that's the

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Speaker 2: way he's got to do it. But if he doesn't

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Speaker 2: get a quarterback, they have no chance, because that's just

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Speaker 2: the way the game is structured, like.

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Speaker 1: Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still why

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Speaker 1: is he chasing this Raiders thing?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 2: I think that, Well, he never wanted to get into coaching,

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Speaker 2: and I mean the great players never want to get

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Speaker 2: into coaching because the hours are too long. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know that's how long those hours are. And he

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Speaker 2: wanted to be involved in football. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but.

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Speaker 1: Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to the Raiders, right, and at the time the

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Speaker 1: Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Derek Carr.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that Mark Davis did want him and

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Speaker 2: Gruden didn't.

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Speaker 1: Bruden didn't correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know, like what the connection was

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Speaker 2: if there was a connection prior to that between Davis

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Speaker 2: and Brady, because now it evolved into, you know, Davis

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Speaker 2: selling five percent of his team to Tom and five

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Speaker 2: percent to Tom's partner. I don't know how it evolved

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Speaker 2: from him wanted to go and play for the Raiders

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Speaker 2: to agree to sell part of his team to him.

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Speaker 2: The connection had to be deeper somewhere. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know what it is. But you know, Tom is incredibly

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Speaker 2: competitive and this is a way for him to kind

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Speaker 2: of stay in it. The Raiders are just like an

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Speaker 2: interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would have guessed like

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins because he lives in Florida, or you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe Craft because he considers him his fifth son. He

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Speaker 2: would have sold him percent of the Patriots, you know,

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Speaker 2: with the other ninety five percent is going to stay

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Speaker 2: in the Craft family. I never would have guessed the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: especially because it's it's like so far from home, and

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Speaker 2: you know, Tom is a really good dad, and two

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Speaker 2: of his kids live in Florida and woelands in New York,

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Speaker 2: and you know he travels enough for Fox and to

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Speaker 2: think that, you know, on his day off, presumably he

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Speaker 2: flew to Vegas to sit and watch the game last night.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this whole thing with him sitting with

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Speaker 2: his sets in the coaches both last night. The NFL

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Speaker 2: issued some kind of innocuous statement today that you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, Tom is still not allowed to go in

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Speaker 2: a facility. All these meetings. The production's meetings have to

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Speaker 2: be virtual, and that's the rule that how they changed

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Speaker 2: them this year. Last year couldn't be in the meetings

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Speaker 2: at all, Doug. Next, this coming week, Brady's got the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys and the Bears, and he's gonna be last to

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Speaker 2: sit in the production meetings virtually, and he's allowed to

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Speaker 2: talk to players on the field. The following week the

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Speaker 2: Raiders play the Bears. Is there anybody who doesn't think

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Speaker 2: that information that Brady picks up on the Bears working

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Speaker 2: the game this week is not going to be turned

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Speaker 2: over to the Raiders, who then play the Bears. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is this is such an incredible conflict of interest.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think that until I saw what happened

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the optics, the optics for optics, for optics were

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Speaker 1: not good.

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Speaker 2: Optics were not good.

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Speaker 1: Because because there's there's part of it that I like it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you bring it as a broadcaster, the

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Speaker 1: inside knowledge. But in a in a league which everybody

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Speaker 1: is paranoid, and considering he was part of the Patriots

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Speaker 1: with Spygate and all the other stuff. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: terrible look. It's a terrible look for the golden boy

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Speaker 1: of the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's Doug. It's fine for him to get

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Speaker 2: inside knowledge. I mean like Collinsworth and Akman and all

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Speaker 2: those guys do. Sure they work it really hard, but

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Speaker 2: they're not working for a team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, I get it. I get it. It's

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Speaker 1: it's bizarre. Gary, this is gonna be really good. I

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Speaker 1: know it's gonna be another best seller. Gary Myers New

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Speaker 1: York Times best selling author, longtime sports writer covering the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.

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Speaker 1: It's out today wherever you get your books or your

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Speaker 1: your time. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this

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Speaker 7: Well Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 7: Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we

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Speaker 5: After I got it.

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Speaker 1: I got several things to get to. I want to start, honestly,

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Speaker 1: a team that we never talk about unless their coaches

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Speaker 1: kind of butchering the Duvall, Dovall, the Duval that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's the one. Uh. If you watch Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: to look at it. But for a team that's trying

646
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Speaker 1: to figure out Trevor Lawrence, he left Lawrence, hung Lawrence

647
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Speaker 1: out to dry several times. It is a massive topic

648
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. And I don't know how you throw the

649
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Speaker 1: guy out there next week when he wanted no part

650
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Speaker 1: of getting hit, and that's actually the job of a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver anyway. I just there was a Tuesday morning

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Speaker 1: quarterback that we hadn't talked about. I don't think anybody's

653
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: talked about in national radio. A very big thing. If

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Speaker 1: you watch that game, the loss to the Bengals. Obviously

655
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Speaker 1: the Bengals have been talked about, but the Jacksonville.

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Speaker 8: Jaguars, we talk about another receiver on that deub chart.

657
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Speaker 8: So when you're giving Travis hunder a full time reps

658
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Speaker 8: at receiver and you're not giving him the reps as

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Speaker 8: a corner. Through two games, we have not seen a

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Speaker 8: I think we've seen some catches, but we just haven't

661
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Speaker 8: seen that like Heisman Trophy second overall pick kind of

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Speaker 8: like game changing performance. So at what point, if you're

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Speaker 8: the Jogs, do you stop with this nonsense of playing

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Speaker 8: them both ways? You give him full time reps and

665
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Speaker 8: he could be the shutdown corner that he was promised

666
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Speaker 8: when he first got to Florida State and then renigged

667
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Speaker 8: and went to Jackson State and then went to Colorado

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Speaker 8: and now his uh, his name is up in the

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Speaker 8: rafters at in Boulder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, most people had told us right that he

671
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Speaker 1: was better on defense than an offense. And he did

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Speaker 1: have six targets, only caught three balls. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's not the dynamic number one overall pick playmaker you

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Speaker 1: would you would think there yet yet yet yet? All right,

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Speaker 1: Dan Buyer, will give give me, give me to day.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was just gonna say just a couple of

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Speaker 5: things on that.

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Speaker 4: First of all, like we the Brian Thomas thing is

679
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Speaker 4: really concerning because of how productive he was last year

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Speaker 4: for them. And Liam Cohen is brought in. I mean,

681
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Speaker 4: these coaches have been brought in. Doug Peterson was in

682
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Speaker 4: to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works. Now Liam Cohen

683
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Speaker 4: is brought and to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works.

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Speaker 4: I've seen you mentioned the hospital balls that Trevor Lawrence

685
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Speaker 4: has thrown. And maybe Brian Thomas not willing to sacrifice everything.

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Speaker 4: I think there could be a little bit of responsibility

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Speaker 4: on the quarterback's shoulders with that. But it is an

688
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Speaker 4: interesting scenario because he was really really good last year

689
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Speaker 4: and for a division that is apparently for the taking

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Speaker 4: right now. It's shocking to me that threw two games

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Speaker 4: in after a stellar rookie season where I think it

692
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Speaker 4: was second in the AFC and receiving yards last year,

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Speaker 4: that we're having a Brian Thomas Junior conversation. And I

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Speaker 4: just think the jury with Travis Hunters is still out.

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Speaker 4: But I can understand why Jason is underwhelmed by what

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Speaker 4: we've had the first two weeks of the season, considering

697
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Speaker 4: that the reason the Jaguars took him at number two

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Speaker 4: was to be a two way players. That's the reason why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give you another one, and I think.

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Speaker 5: It has you Iowa samming it, are you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys everybody's had chans. Go run your

702
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: CA commenting on mine. You know what, go ahead, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you got one?

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Speaker 4: I know no, I'm just I was going to say,

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Speaker 4: because we we can go back around, but let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back around.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is a fire segment.

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Speaker 1: Fire go ahead. Hey, we don't have one at Buyer

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Speaker 1: have Buyer's remorse on Gottlieb talking too much.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 4: What stood out to me is Brian Dabole can't win

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Speaker 4: at all, even when do you think they have a

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Speaker 4: win in the win column. The Cowboys kick a sixty

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Speaker 4: four yard field goal and Russell Wilson plays the game

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Speaker 4: of his career four hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: and then he throws an awful interception in the overtime

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Speaker 4: which ultimately leads to Dallas kicking the game winning field

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Speaker 4: goal in that overtime session. And then I know something

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Speaker 4: that Jason is going to get to in just a

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Speaker 4: little bit. But now the Giants for the second straight year,

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Speaker 4: have a player that they cut loose that was supposed

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Speaker 4: to be a big part of their future thriving in

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Speaker 4: another place, and he just cannot win.

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Speaker 5: There is nothing that can happen, I think in this

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Speaker 5: season now.

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Speaker 4: To save Brian dables job, considering everything that has happened,

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart would have to be better than Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: I think for the Giants to keep not only Brian

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Speaker 4: Dable but Joe Shane around because it is it is

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Speaker 4: for as good as things could be it ultimately sours

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Speaker 4: for the Giants, and I think Sunday was the perfect example.

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Speaker 4: Four hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and Wilson throws

733
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Speaker 4: a bad pick and over time he ended up losing

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 8: I didn't see it. Has Dave All been on record

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Speaker 8: as explaining how he handled the quarterbacks in the last

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Speaker 8: part of that game. There was a time when Jackson

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Speaker 8: Dart was playing every other snap. Was that explained in the.

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Speaker 5: In the Cowboys game?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that's unusual for me.

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: Russell Wilson played like dog crap in Week one and

743
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Speaker 8: was very stern on Tuesday when he said he's still

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Speaker 8: our quarterback. Then he gets late into a game against

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys and starts going platoon every other snap for

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Speaker 8: at least a series. When Russell Wilson is playing the

747
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Speaker 8: game of his life, it's just such a head scratcher.

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Speaker 8: I just haven't seen that followed up.

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Speaker 4: On It's also just to pub the podcast I want

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Speaker 4: your Flex podcast, new episode out. Our producer Ian Roddy

751
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Speaker 4: putting the bat signal and highlighting the play of one

752
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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones and how it affects Brian dabol So new

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Speaker 4: podcast episode is out.

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Speaker 8: Now go ahead, Jesse too, I do want to talk

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Speaker 8: about the Daniel Jones's teammate. I don't know how many

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Speaker 8: people around the country know this person, so I'm going

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Speaker 8: to introduce you to rigo Berto Sanchez. Rigo Berto Sanchez

758
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Speaker 8: has been a punter in the NFL for I think

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Speaker 8: eight or nine years. He went to college at Hawaii.

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Speaker 8: He grew up kind of near where Aaron Rodgers grew

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Speaker 8: up in northern California. He's the punter for the Colts.

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Speaker 8: He's also the first punter in the history of the

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Speaker 8: NFL well since the Murderer what have you, that has

764
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Speaker 8: gone the first two games without punting once. That is

765
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Speaker 8: how effective Shane Steigen's offense under Daniel Jones has been.

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Speaker 8: They have not had to use their punter once in

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Speaker 8: two games. There, two and zero. And I will say

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Speaker 8: this Rendon Anthony Rendon of the Angels, he sent Rigaberto

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Speaker 8: a text with the thumbs up for getting paid for

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Speaker 8: not working. He also got a text from Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 8: So Rigoberto's getting love from a lot of people who

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Speaker 8: get paid to do nothing. Congratulations to Rigaberto Sanchez and

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Speaker 8: the Colts. For being two and oh.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want to talk about a game that

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Speaker 1: became crazy exciting and zero people have talked about a

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Speaker 1: national radio Did you guys watch any of the Panthers

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Speaker 1: Cardinals game?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were on the air during it.

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Speaker 1: It was I mean it was I think twenty to

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Speaker 1: three at the half, and I again wasn't paying attention

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Speaker 1: and Bryce Young kind of caught a heater. I mean

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Speaker 1: he he really, I mean he threw the about fifty

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Speaker 1: five times complete thirty five of them, but caught a heater,

784
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Speaker 1: started getting his rhythm. They were down twenty seven to

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Recovered an on sidekick with one fifty five

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Speaker 1: to go right. It wasn't like there they recovered onside

787
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Speaker 1: kick and there's like ten seconds and they had to

788
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Speaker 1: chuck it deep like literally recovered it and had a

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Speaker 1: chance to win the game outright on the road and

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Speaker 1: couldn't really move the football. There was there was a

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Speaker 1: big penalty on Arizona on like the third play. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they had opportunity. But I'm trying to figure out is

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Speaker 1: Arizona any good? Calvary's been just okay. And last year,

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00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: remember Bryce Young got pulled and then got the job

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Speaker 1: back late in the year, and kind of no one's

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Speaker 1: talked about Bryce Young this year, just because I think

797
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: we'd all come to conclusion that he's too little and

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Speaker 1: not good enough. All that may be true, but he

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Speaker 1: looked really good in the second half. Granted, you know

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Speaker 1: your second half, you're behind, you're throwing every down, but

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Speaker 1: he's really really good. And the Panthers we were competitive.

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Speaker 1: Now they return home. They got the Falcons and the

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Speaker 1: Patriots on the road, then the Dolphins at home and

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Speaker 1: Cowboys at home, than the Jets and road. These are

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Speaker 1: games in which they can win two of these. But again,

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, who we thought was a complete bust and

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Speaker 1: too small to play the position, at least in the

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Speaker 1: second half. When I was watching it, did not watch

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Speaker 1: the whole game. I watched when it got exciting, when

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00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: he started to catch a heater. It looked really good.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday.

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Speaker 8: As one of the millions of people in this country

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Speaker 8: that had Arizona as their survive I ever picked on Sunday.

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Speaker 8: I watched painfully closely to that final five to eight minutes.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if it was Bryce Young or if

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00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 8: it was the stupidity of the Cardinals defense. There was

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00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 8: one penalty after another, well, one sloppy play after another,

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Speaker 8: including the on side kick where the idiot on onside

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Speaker 8: kick protection didn't quite understand that you can't touch the

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Speaker 8: ball before you go and block somebody.

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Speaker 4: There's also the fact that Kyler Murray threw an interception

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Speaker 4: up twenty seven to nine and a third and three

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Speaker 4: where if you kick a field goal you may get

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Speaker 4: a twenty one point lead, but for all intents and purposes, yeah,

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00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: the game is over. So he turns it over with

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Speaker 4: ten minutes to go, allows then Bryce Young to kind

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Speaker 4: of start this comeback. Also in that game, Jason talks

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Speaker 4: about the flags and the stupidity of Arizona, and there

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Speaker 4: were lapses, no doubt, but there was also a personal

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Speaker 4: foul rough the passer call that kept the drive alive

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Speaker 4: on a fourth and fifteen that was just atrocious.

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Speaker 5: And it was a flag fest in this game.

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Speaker 4: And it was it was a tough watch because of

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Speaker 4: all of the stoppages, of all of the changes, of

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Speaker 4: all of these things.

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Speaker 5: It was just completely frustrating.

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Speaker 4: But some of that what happened on Sunday does fall

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Speaker 4: on the shoulders of Kyler Murray because it all started

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Speaker 4: with his red zone interception to allow that comeback.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one more guy who I know you

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Speaker 1: hadn't forgotten because you have a fantasy football podcast. I

842
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: drafted in fantasy football. I've been rewarded by it, but

843
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: we had forgotten how dynamic Jonathan Taylor is. Like again,

844
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Speaker 1: you guys are right in regards to Danny Dimes and

845
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Speaker 1: what it means for Brian dabol But the real story

846
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Speaker 1: of Danny Dimes is he was good with the Giants

847
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Speaker 1: when they had Saquon Barkley, and they didn't have Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have anything right, we got hurt. It was

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Speaker 1: bad when he was with the Eagles. He's bad with

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00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the Colts. Jonathan Taylor can run it, can catch it.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had one hundred and sixty five yards

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Speaker 1: the other day. But he can also catch out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield. Like He's unbelievable. How good he is again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Got to stay healthy, obviously, but in

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00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: a division which I think Dan you mentioned can be had.

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00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: We're talking about Jacksonville. Here's India two and zero, and

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Speaker 1: all we're focusing on is the owner. We're in the

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Speaker 1: headset and taking notes about, you know, about what the

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Speaker 1: coaches are doing and the story should be. Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: is making everybody around him look, especially Danny Diames, look

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Speaker 1: really really good. All right, Yeah, give us short thoughts again.

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Speaker 1: We try and cover everything in the NFL, and some

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Speaker 1: stuff is left on the cutting room floor. That's what

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Speaker 1: we call Tuesday Morning Quarterback