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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. Earlier today Mike Tomlin confirming what

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Speaker 1: we already kind of knew. TJ. Watt will not be

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Speaker 1: available this weekend to play against the Buffalo Bills. And

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Speaker 1: I would contend that the Steelers who are one and

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Speaker 1: ten without Wat.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and A didn't start, didn't play A don

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Speaker 2: r a second right in his whole career, that's his

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Speaker 2: entire career, even Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I contend that they're in better shape today to

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Speaker 1: handle playing without Watt, and they have been at any

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Speaker 1: time in his career.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I know where you're going with this, and

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Speaker 2: I won't steal your thunder. But I wrote an article

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Speaker 2: that went live yesterday basically saying, boy, it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: You're losing what but getting back the reinforcements at linebacker

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Speaker 2: but especially safety, probably moving Peterson back to the corner,

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Speaker 2: your other weaknesses became stronger. So I'm not saying the

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Speaker 2: defense is better without w It's not, but it might

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Speaker 2: not be as bad as it sounds. And I know

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Speaker 2: you have some other good stuff here too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I went back and looked at what Marcus Golden

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Speaker 1: and Nick Herbig have done this season. Yeah, together they've

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Speaker 1: produced forty seven tackles, seven sacks, eleven tackles for a loss.

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Speaker 1: Well this season in four hundred and twenty one defensive snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they played like Herby played two snaps

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Speaker 2: the other day and or two weeks ago, got a

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Speaker 2: huge play and a pressure. You know, Golden's out there

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Speaker 2: sometimes fifteen snaps, sometimes it's five. Sometimes it's into the twenties,

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Speaker 2: but they make them count.

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Speaker 1: If there were put it this way, if somebody started

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Speaker 1: all season for the Steelers and had forty seven tackles,

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Speaker 1: seven sacks, and eleven tackles or eleven tackles for a loss,

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Speaker 1: would be like, that was pretty decent, pretty good year,

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Speaker 1: right right this in four hundred and twenty one snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, well, under five hundred snaps. I mean

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Speaker 2: usually of the course of Some people might not quite

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Speaker 2: understand what that correlates too. I'm not sure how many

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Speaker 2: snaps the defense played, but it's it was probably eleven

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Speaker 2: hundred or so, yeah, youah, something like that. So about

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Speaker 2: between the.

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Speaker 1: Two around a third of the snaps that they played this.

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Speaker 2: Day, they were out either one of those guys was

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Speaker 2: out there in the combination of the two was out

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Speaker 2: there and Is Golden.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Malik Golden or Marcus Golden. I keep

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Speaker 1: calling the Malik. There was a Malik Golden market Is.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Marcus Golden after the game on Sunday

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Speaker 1: because he had a big sack in that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they played well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, you know, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to TJ is you know, He's like, I was just

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Speaker 1: happy to be out there in one of those weighty

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Speaker 1: moments because I haven't been out there in waity moments

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Speaker 1: all season long, because.

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Speaker 2: It's always TJ out there. Yeah, of course, it's always

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Speaker 2: high speed, that situational. Yeah, those guys get the weighty moments.

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Speaker 1: So you know, oftentimes on key third down situations, they're

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Speaker 1: not even on the field, they're just out there, you know.

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Speaker 1: And when the team's on the other side of the

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Speaker 1: of the fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of toss to ten second in the yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then they come trotting back in and right no

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Speaker 2: one percent. And the other thing is, boy, would they

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Speaker 2: have killed for either one of those guys last year?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean read and some of those

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Speaker 2: dudes they were trotting out there, did their best in all,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't close to the impact players either. One

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Speaker 2: they all those numbers you cited are great, but if

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Speaker 2: they doubled their snaps and they played a thousand between

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Speaker 2: the two would be the same. It probably wouldn't more right, right,

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Speaker 2: but you might It might not be. It might just

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Speaker 2: be a situation where you need them this week. There

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Speaker 2: is potential for what if the Steelers were advanced past

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Speaker 2: this game, could be back against Baltimore in two weeks. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: And I know we were talking about a little of

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Speaker 2: so bad. I doubt there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 2: drop back passing. So I certainly trust Golden to what

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Speaker 2: we were talking about yesterday. Keep Allen in the pocket,

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Speaker 2: you know, a power rusher on the edge, and to

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Speaker 2: he excels that way her big Frankly, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, has he ever played forty snaps, you know,

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Speaker 2: who knows really, but well, that's good football.

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Speaker 1: What I expect is Golden to start, Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: her Big to be the fastball that they bring in

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Speaker 2: A blow, either one of them, because not Heisman's not

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Speaker 2: going to play every snap either you played eighty five

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Speaker 2: It was more of a desperation thing. But do you

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Speaker 2: think Leal gets a hat and stands up at all?

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Speaker 1: Well, here's how they're here's how they're there's they've done

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Speaker 1: or when they're playing a run heavy team, lel is

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Speaker 1: the active player. Yeah, he's not always and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I get louder when it's louder milk. Yeah, louder milk

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Speaker 1: against the run heavy teams, Yeah, Leal against the pass

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Speaker 2: When everybody's healthy and Cam's in there and everybody can go.

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Speaker 1: That's how they've handled that. Yes, Now, in this situation,

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Speaker 1: and you know that you know that Wat's not going

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Speaker 1: keep an extra defensive lineman active for this game, then

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Speaker 2: Be a lot on teams, but right right, right right,

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Speaker 2: and you do some safeties coming back, and maybe you

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Speaker 2: want to be you know, your active roster. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: want a safety instead of another three hundred pound or

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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty five pounder. But I was just thinking,

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Speaker 2: what if you have an injuried outside linebacker right mid game,

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Speaker 2: you know, you'd like to have Leal at least out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so that may that may be something that

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Speaker 1: they do in this game, and you know, give him

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Speaker 1: that's how they've been breaking that down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that they're down on them or they

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of the unique things that

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Speaker 1: your points, Yeah, they've been run heavy at home, the.

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Speaker 2: Run heaviest team in the league bit more. Yeah, actually

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Speaker 2: been really run heavy on the road too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still have to defend Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's part of the problem, and he's part of

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Speaker 2: the reason they're so run heavy too. The last two weeks,

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Speaker 2: he's been running like crazy. He's always been a big runner,

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Speaker 2: but the last two weeks it's been designed runs. They're

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Speaker 2: basically playing playoff games, which this is a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to shy away from that at all.

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Speaker 2: So you wonder though, the combination of the Bills being

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Speaker 2: probably way more run heavy than people realize and whether,

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Speaker 2: I mean, are they're gonna be much throws in this

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Speaker 2: me think the game might be over in an hour

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Speaker 2: and a half, you know, like yeah, right, but that's

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Speaker 2: not very Bills like either. I mean the way you

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Speaker 2: think about them. I mean, Josh Allen's a superstar quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then you start looking at which team would

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Speaker 1: that benefit more? And I think the steel I think

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Speaker 1: And it just shortens a game, right, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're shortening a game against a superior yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean they I think shortening the game is

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Speaker 2: absolutely beneficial for the Steelers. I was trying to find

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Speaker 2: the numbers because they're much more run heavier than I thought.

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Speaker 2: But I'll fight in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean I went back through the last

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Speaker 1: I don't know, six seven CE, I went back throughout

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Speaker 1: Watt's career to look at this. They haven't had anybody

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Speaker 2: Both of them, Like they would have loved that either

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Speaker 2: one of them. You last year, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: And you really have to go back to the best

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Speaker 1: I guess foursome that they had was when they had

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Speaker 1: Arthur Motes and Anthony Chicolo behind James Harrison, but Dupree.

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Speaker 1: The problem was none of those guys had a bunch

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Speaker 1: like five, and Dupree had or maybe six or seven.

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Speaker 2: So they're playing a lot. I mean, certainly on a

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Speaker 2: per snap basis, it's not even close. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So really you kind of have to go back,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could argue there's a lot of stints

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's as good as Harrison backing up Joey Porter.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm ready to go there. But those

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Speaker 2: might be the best foursome they've ever had, you know

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there were there were times when

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Speaker 2: So there was drafting these guys in third fourth round

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Speaker 2: of developing the Porters of the world, so real quick.

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Speaker 2: On the run stuff, the Bills are twenty seventh, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers are twenty eighth in terms of passing percentage, So

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Speaker 2: therefore you're at the top of the running world. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but over the last three weeks, Buffalo is thirtieth in

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Speaker 2: they're under forty percent. And then no one throws the

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Speaker 2: and no one runs the ball at a lower or

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Speaker 2: the no one throws the ball a lower percentage on

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Speaker 2: the road than the Steelers for the year. So like,

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Speaker 2: if you mix that with weather, you got to think

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Speaker 2: this is a running game. Whether it's Alan Cook whomever.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, I mean, I think we saw what

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Speaker 1: it was a different kind of weather in Baltimore. You know,

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Speaker 1: rain is much different than snow, absolutely, but you still

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna be colder there, it's gonna be colder,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna then the wind guts are going.

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Speaker 1: That's the biggest, bigger concern and you're looking at wins

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Speaker 1: that might be as you know, in a thirty to

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But if that wind is is Gus Changelings.

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Speaker 2: As it goes off the club.

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Speaker 1: Or You've just got that steady wind in your face

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Speaker 2: You can't cut through it. Now. I just said that

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Speaker 1: He writes a lot of checks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean his arm cash is a lot. But

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Speaker 2: I mean I bet he throws the Steelers at least one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that has that enough for them to win. Who knows,

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Speaker 2: But if he's rolling right and once the gun one

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Speaker 1: You have to play differently in that kind of He.

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Speaker 2: Needs to have a different mindset than he usually does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: You know, that's what's fun about him. That's what's infuriating

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Speaker 2: You know, he throws two.

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Speaker 1: End zone picks and it's almost like I remember protecting him, Like,

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Speaker 2: Right? So, No, he's a phenomenal player, but he's a

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Speaker 1: And you know, for for every one of those throws

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point in the.

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Speaker 1: gonna play our offense. I mean, twenty seven throws is

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Speaker 2: Then mixing the weather and all those things, I would

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Speaker 2: see Alan scramble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Steelers don't have that club in their

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Speaker 2: but you can run the ball in early downs. You

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen Jayalen Moren get more than his

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Speaker 2: His explosive run rate and all that stuff is really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's gonna be an interesting matchup in

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you'd love to have Watt out there.

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Speaker 2: I said that like ten times I wonder how I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much that affected the line spread?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh a lot, two or three points.

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Speaker 1: I bet, I'll bet at least there's there's probably not

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Speaker 2: Of And plus I think Joe average better is like, well,

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Speaker 2: in trouble and maybe not accounting for smaller things. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like well, the weather and coming back with Minka and

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Speaker 1: I think it matches a long time. I think it

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Speaker 2: I don't know how we'll get into Gay Davis. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that he's going to play. Yeah, but if

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Speaker 2: you can have one of those safeties, maybe make a

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Speaker 2: on Kinkaid a high percentage and Porter on digs a

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Speaker 2: high percentage. I'll take my chances, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'll take my chances.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If Khalil Shakir is going to beat you, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I will say, we were just talking about Warren.

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Speaker 2: So this morning I was doing running back stats for

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Speaker 2: They're right there with McCaffrey. But James Cook's right there

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Speaker 2: Same with a slot so that's been something they've done

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Speaker 2: certainly since the coordinator change in particular. But he's also

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still not seeing anything out there in Risul Douglas, which.

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Speaker 2: To me is a Jimmy Davis. Are both pretty big

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Speaker 2: Dawkins left that game and came back, but that was

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Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna play.

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Speaker 2: That was a mess, Yeah, definitely a mess. He couldn't

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Speaker 2: imagine it's fun going back. But I'm sure he'll be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't find anything, Like I see all these

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Speaker 2: It's probably on purpose Old Douglas. Well, I mean here,

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Speaker 1: Here, they're just saying questionable Tyrrell Dodson, questionable, ty Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how many still got Wednesday Thursday practices and stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dig into But it's not like they got through

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Speaker 2: No, No, they lost a couple of key guys. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's no question about it. I think Douglas and Davis,

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean you can't just ignore him,

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Speaker 2: you know, just a flat out go route. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, could Kincaid rip you up? Of course? But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that'll be interesting to see how much or

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Speaker 1: if the Steelers do spy Alan, how they treat him

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Speaker 2: Game, yeah lately.

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Speaker 1: You know, when they beat the Bills up there in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he had to chase them down.

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Speaker 1: From behind and forced the Force to fumble there. But

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Speaker 2: He was the same guy at that point either, right, And.

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Speaker 1: We did see, like I noticed, after Wat went out

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Speaker 1: double teams pretty concerned. Oh, every time they went dropped

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Speaker 1: back to pass. It was okay, double Highsmith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he obviously has the reputation. I mean,

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Speaker 2: mean like, I'm not sure bringing the house to go

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Speaker 1: No, I just I'm gonna keep changing things up on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wouldn't even.

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Speaker 1: Be opposed to at times bumping Highsmith over to the

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Speaker 2: There was a little of that after what went out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing it before. It was alarming.

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Speaker 1: Just just bump him over there, just because again, if

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Speaker 1: they're going to double, okay, we're gonna set it up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as good a receiver James Cook is blitz

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Speaker 1: No, he's interesting, he's got arms. I mean he's he's

436
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Speaker 1: not a classic time then, Yeah.

437
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Speaker 2: Cook, I'm talking about the he's a smaller one and

438
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Speaker 2: Kincaid certainly your right. He's more receiver than he is anything,

439
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 2: which makes Knox kind of the blocker, which is exactly

440
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 2: he does either.

441
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Speaker 1: Right, So it's gonna be an interesting matchup with that stuff.

442
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Speaker 1: We'll see how the injury reports play out here for

443
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 1: the Bills as we move forward, I'm really intrigued with Yeah,

444
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive. You're

446
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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right

447
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Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back on Dale Lollie. He is d

448
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

449
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Speaker 1: And no Matt the Steelers have moved their practice on Wednesday,

450
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Speaker 1: their first of the week, to Akroscher Stadium because the

451
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Speaker 1: practice fields at the up mc ro any Sports Complex

452
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Speaker 1: have gotten soaked drenched, and they want to practice outside

453
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Speaker 1: in the elements.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, go indoors. I mean, that's why they could

455
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Speaker 2: do that. But they want to go outside and simulate Sunday.

456
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Speaker 1: I assume accurately, you know, the field of a Creature

457
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Speaker 1: Stadium has been covered.

458
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Speaker 2: I assume it's been covered. They never cover the back

459
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Speaker 2: ones or that. I that I've been aware of the

460
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Speaker 2: practice ones. I mean, have you ever seen those covered?

461
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Speaker 2: I don't think no, No, I've never seen them covered. Yeah,

462
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: so that makes sense. I mean it's just been a

463
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Speaker 2: swampy wet. Every one knows what it was like.

464
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Speaker 1: Really, this is this weather that we've had in Pittsburgh

465
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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Is what was happening in Baltimore.

466
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Speaker 1: I can imagine that entire day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just I mean I walked outside grabbing the mail

468
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Speaker 2: or whatever. Today it was like, Oh, the first time

469
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Speaker 2: out of the building was like, oh, it's terrible out here.

470
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Speaker 2: Let alone spending you know, hour after hour for hour

471
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Speaker 2: playing a game. So we do think Buffalo weather will

472
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Speaker 2: be different but more challenging possibly. Yeah, right, I mean,

473
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not going to be gentler, that's for sure.

474
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 2: But wet is a problem. I mean, right, ball security

475
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: and all those type of things, but we're gonna have

476
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Speaker 2: some serious weather coming up. Interesting that they did decide

477
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Speaker 2: let's not just go the endoor or you know, we'll

478
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Speaker 2: bust over. Not that it's super far, but it's one

479
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: more logistical thing you got to deal with. And I

480
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: get all the equipment over there and all that kind

481
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Speaker 2: of stuff too, So it's paying the butt for some people.

482
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Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, but you know it's playoffs and yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: you know.

484
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Speaker 2: You think it gives you an edge to it, right,

485
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Speaker 2: that's what you do.

486
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Speaker 1: Speaking of edges, you know, the Steelers are in the

487
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Speaker 1: playoffs because the Tennessee Titans one on Sunday, thank you

488
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Speaker 1: very much. And then Mike Rabel gets fired today.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he's upset about it, Like

490
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Speaker 2: I think he might end up in New England. I

491
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Speaker 2: don't know if Ohio state is an option, but I've

492
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Speaker 2: heard that as well. Like I kind of feel like

493
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: he was ready to get out of there and it's

494
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: been brewing now for really since the AJ Brown trade.

495
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Speaker 2: You know you brought that up off the air.

496
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Speaker 1: Well. I can remember seeing video when that trade went through.

497
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Speaker 1: They had a camera in the Titans media or in

498
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Speaker 1: their draft room, and he was not happy. I'm not

499
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Speaker 1: at all like he left the physically like yeah and

500
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Speaker 1: walk out of the room.

501
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Speaker 2: And they drafted Berks, who has never been close to

502
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Speaker 2: a replacement. But that was a money move and we're

503
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Speaker 2: not going to pay AJ Brown, so we turn him

504
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Speaker 2: into a first round pick drafted receiver there, and it's

505
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Speaker 2: not exactly Diggs going and then drafting justin Jefferson.

506
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Speaker 1: No, it's not a one for one trade.

507
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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't like you've made out and got younger

508
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: and don't have to pay him until now. So I

509
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 2: could see why he's fired up, especially with Henry and

510
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Speaker 2: Tannehill be in the age they were when they were

511
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Speaker 2: and you know they had four straight losing or winning

512
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Speaker 2: seasons when he got there. Yeah, they were the number

513
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Speaker 2: one seed a couple of years ago. So really successful coach.

514
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Speaker 2: If he wants to coach, I'm sure he won't be

515
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Speaker 2: out there long.

516
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Speaker 1: No, I would think so as well. But you know,

517
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Speaker 1: now the question becomes who's who's the next coach there?

518
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Speaker 1: What do they try to do and what direction do

519
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Speaker 1: they try to go? Well, it seems like right now, yeah,

520
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: fourth in that division? Right?

521
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Speaker 2: Oh? I think yeah? I think so, especially in terms

522
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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks, who you trust? Levis man to being fine,

523
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Speaker 2: but Stroud Richardson's still an incomplete of course, Lawrence, you

524
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Speaker 2: got four exciting young quarterbacks, and if I were to

525
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Speaker 2: put a chip down, Levis would be the one I

526
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Speaker 2: bet on last.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be fourth on that list.

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Speaker 2: Fourth on the list. And the impression he got it

529
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Speaker 2: was Vrabel and management. But the new GM have been

530
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Speaker 2: kind of button hens heads. Adolphine Men's as a real

531
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Speaker 2: analytics guy. I mean he's a number crunching dude, and

532
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Speaker 2: that's not veryble at all obviously, and my hunches ownership

533
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Speaker 2: just kind of looked at it and said real quick,

534
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Speaker 2: just to rewind. After that Titans win, Derek Henry gets

535
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Speaker 2: on the mic and starts addressing the fans like, you know,

536
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Speaker 2: there's no chance on coming back. Basically. Yeah. I mean

537
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: my hunch is ownership is going to mandate. They're gonna

538
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Speaker 2: say they're gonna blow it up, blow it up. I

539
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: think Tannehill's gone, Henry's gone or by no means are

540
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Speaker 2: they gonna go sign guys like DeAndre Hopkins anymore? Maybe trade?

541
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Speaker 2: You know, some of the younger, older dudes for picks

542
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Speaker 2: Byed already got moved at the deadline. I think they

543
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Speaker 2: I bet they're the type of team that's going to

544
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Speaker 2: try to get one of these young offensive play caller

545
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Speaker 2: types to work on levels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what do they do with like

547
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Speaker 1: Simmons and guys.

548
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Speaker 2: Like that that he's the one that could get a lot. Yeah,

549
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Speaker 2: but maybe he's a building block, right, you know, but.

550
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Speaker 1: I'd certainly be interested in Simmons if he was available.

551
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think everybody would be. They just resigned him,

552
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Speaker 2: I mean, so you would have to pay a signing bonus.

553
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so they don't have a lot of pieces

554
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Speaker 2: they can move though.

555
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Speaker 1: They really don't. I mean, and the offensive line is

556
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: a mess. The secondary's kind of a mess, right yeah.

557
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Speaker 2: Pass defense has been a problem. Who are their young pieces?

558
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guys they've drafted lately haven't hit greatly,

559
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Speaker 2: you know, yea, So no, I think they're in a

560
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Speaker 2: bad spot, and I think it's a safe bet that

561
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Speaker 2: they will be the longest shot to win that division when.

562
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Speaker 1: Odds come out. I mean, yeah, if you look at it,

563
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Speaker 1: the other three teams in the division were all fighting

564
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Speaker 1: for playoff spots and you weren't.

565
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Speaker 2: And frankly, one of your best attributes to win a

566
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Speaker 2: game this time year was Rabel.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was your head coach, your head.

568
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Speaker 2: Coach, and I'm just going to try to rework the

569
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Speaker 2: whole thing, which I get. I mean, hey, he was

570
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Speaker 2: there a while, and they want to get young, and

571
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Speaker 2: they look at the division and go, we got a

572
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Speaker 2: lot of young quarterbacks we got to fight with. Tannehill

573
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Speaker 2: is probably not going to get us there anymore. They've

574
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Speaker 2: been they had a good run.

575
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Speaker 1: But it's one of the toughest things about.

576
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Speaker 2: This, you know.

577
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Speaker 1: So it's not just Rabel getting fired out with whom

578
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Speaker 1: all of his assistant coaches are gone to.

579
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you might.

580
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these these are guys that may

581
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Speaker 1: be good at their jobs.

582
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Speaker 2: No, I'm sure plenty of them are, but it.

583
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Speaker 1: Just became a situation where that, you know, I don't

584
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Speaker 1: think that Rabel to your point that Vrabel and management.

585
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Speaker 2: Saw I think the same way, right, Yeah, I really don't.

586
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Speaker 1: I say the rest of them lose their job because

587
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: the head coach couldn't get along with the Yep.

588
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bet a lot of them are quite

589
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Speaker 2: good at their job. And I never thought they were

590
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Speaker 2: a poorly coached team, you know, like I understood Atlanta,

591
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm.

592
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Speaker 1: Like, this is similar in some ways to what happened

593
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Speaker 1: in two thousand with the Steelers after the ninety nine season,

594
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: when it was obvious to Dan Rooney that Bill Cower

595
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: and Tom Donaho can't co exist anymore.

596
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, these are two very important people in your room.

597
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: They need to be They don't be friends, but they

598
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: have to respect each other and coexist, right, right.

599
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Speaker 1: And you know, Dan Rooney decided that, hey, I can

600
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: I can find a guy who can evaluate talent. I've

601
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: got a good head coach. I want to keep him.

602
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: He should be the guy I keep happy. Yeah, this

603
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: is the exact opposite of that. Everybody that you would

604
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: ask in the NFL would agree that Mike Frabel's a

605
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: good football coach.

606
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean top ten probably, yeah, and

607
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: at least maybe slightly worse than that maybe.

608
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Speaker 1: But why you would let the situation, after just six

609
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Speaker 1: years reach a point where we don't want that guy

610
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Speaker 1: anymore is beyond.

611
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Speaker 2: Me unless I mean, you also don't want Vabele to

612
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: be super powerful either, you know what I mean. I

613
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: don't know if he's good at personnel. I mean, he

614
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be completely to me.

615
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: That's why what the steel how the Steelers have their

616
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: their management set up is the way to do it.

617
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: The GM doesn't have control over the head coach. The

618
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: head coach doesn't have control over the GM. They both

619
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: answer to one guy, right, but they have equal power

620
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: in the team. Now, there may be some situations where

621
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: the head coach gets a little more say in some things, sure,

622
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: because he's the one he's cooking the meals.

623
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Speaker 2: But in some situations and other situations not you know,

624
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: I mean like general manager is more than just in

625
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: charge of the roster. Yeah, I mean they do a lot.

626
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: They generally man it. They manage it a very general manner. Generally,

627
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: they do a lot of stuff, you know, and that's

628
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: true with pretty much all organizations. They're not just being counters.

629
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Speaker 2: They're not just scouts. You know. That's the way.

630
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Speaker 1: It's funny to me because you know, a few weeks

631
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: ago when we were going through all the is this

632
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlins he done in Pittsburgh blah blah blah blah blah.

633
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: And I saw stuff out there from people like Omar

634
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: Kahn needs to go to him and tell him to

635
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: do this. That's not what happens Here's not really the

636
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: way that That's not the way this works here.

637
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: One guy could tell them.

638
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: There's only one person that has to tell him. You know,

639
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: hey Mike, you're gonna do this, or Hey Omar, you're

640
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: going to do this, and hey guys, we're going.

641
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: To do this. Yeah, Like I think that's what happened

642
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville today, Like a lot of their assistants got

643
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: let go. And you look at the Jags, like I

644
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: was talking about my podcast today, like if you rewind

645
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days right going into the

646
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: playoffs last year, the Jags looked almost like the Texans

647
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: do now. Yeah, boy, optimism, young quarterback, We got rid

648
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: of a terrible coaching situation, the dark days are done.

649
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: We're ready to take over the division. And they didn't

650
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: go that way at all, you know, I mean, especially

651
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: in the second half of the season for the Jags.

652
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: So I'm sure ownership came to head coaching GM and said,

653
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: all of you go, or some of your guys are going,

654
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: and your seats are hot as can be get it fixed,

655
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: and you got one year to do it, you know.

656
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure that's why that went down.

657
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: It was curious to me that they got rid of

658
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: the defensive coaches. Now the defense wasn't great.

659
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: None of us great.

660
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, don't you look at the people working

661
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence and say, we're not getting enough out

662
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: of the guy who was the number one overall pick,

663
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: who was supposed to be a generational talent in some ways.

664
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: Yes, but he's Lawrence is the guy I blame the

665
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: least for all the problems in that organization. To be

666
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: honest with you, he has bad moments them in, too

667
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: many bad moments. But I think he's the biggest asset

668
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: they have.

669
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: And I understand that.

670
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's two different conversations, but yeah.

671
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: But they have not gotten the most out of them.

672
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's also a Greg Cosl says this

673
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot. It's a curse. He hates the generational talent thing,

674
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: you know, like everyone's at about Caleb Williams. I heard

675
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: a really good conversation about Lawrence. If he only turns

676
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: into Matt Ryan, only turns into Matt Ryan, people are

677
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: gonna be upset with him. Like Matt Ryan's a borderline

678
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. If they were to use the first

679
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 2: pick Atlanta on Matt Ryan' I mean, that's he's one

680
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: of the top ten quarterbacks of that generation, you know,

681
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: right behind Rivers or something like that. Like that should

682
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: be good enough. But I don't know that people would

683
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: think that is for Lawrence, you know. I mean, so

684
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: he's been really good, but he also had a lot

685
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: of bad moments this year, for sure, putting the ball

686
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: in Harm's way, bad decisions. But then there's goofy things

687
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: like the Jags led the league in drops, you know,

688
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: or a lot of their receivers run wrong routes, a

689
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: lot of the really bad running game, like he elevated

690
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: people around him. Still, but you can't overcome incompetence either.

691
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: You can't. But they won.

692
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: But where they were a year ago from now, it

693
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: should be better.

694
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Their one win down the stretch, they won one game

695
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Lawrence was they were zero and five with Lawrence as

696
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: a start, and they won the game. He didn't play with.

697
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: Against Panthers. Right, yeah, still, but still.

698
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm listening to a show. I was listening to Serious

699
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: on the way on the drive to Baltimore, and they

700
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: had a Jaguars reporter on, and he was talking about,

701
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: you know how they had really found something because they

702
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, in that game when they didn't have Lawrence,

703
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: they lean on their running game.

704
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: They ran the ball like at n started the season. Great.

705
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I don't understand. You know, that game

706
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: against against the Titans on Sun they barely ran the

707
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: ball at all. They put it all on Lawrence's, Plateton's

708
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and and those receivers that are running wrong routes.

709
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: So that's, to me is some coaching malpractice.

711
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean so I don't I don't have

712
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: a problem with making coaching moves there, but I think

713
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: they just kind of made a half effort to do it.

714
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: And Peterson goes in the next year of the hot seat.

715
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, I just don't understand when you

716
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: fire the you're telling me the entire defensive staff was awful.

717
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: They all got it. They all have to go. The offense,

718
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: you guys are fine, definitely not. It can't possibly be

719
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: the case, there had to be one guy on the

720
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: defensive side of that who did his job but was

721
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: pretty good at it.

722
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh, probably half of them did, ye, quite a few

723
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: of them, at least one. As opposed to I think

724
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: it's an offensive minded head coach so his size gets

725
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: a pass, which life's not fair.

726
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Wouldn't make me want to work for Doug Peterson into that, no.

727
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he throws those guys under the

728
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: bus thea what happened couldn't have possibly been my offensive

729
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: guys right right again, I think ownership comes to him

730
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: and says changes are being made either all of you

731
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: or some of you. It's your choice. Well get rid

732
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: of those guys. Yeah, and everybody knows it, and that's

733
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: not cool. But I mean, I am a lawnce apologist.

734
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: I'll not regret that one bit. He also had like

735
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: a thousand injuries at the end of the sea, get it,

736
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, like to your point, run the ball, so

737
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: it would take something off his plate.

738
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that their offensive line coach did

739
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: a great job right getting him getting your number one

740
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: assid killed all season long, and.

741
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: Now they're in a tough spot because they don't have

742
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: cap space. I mean they they kind of went.

743
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: All maxed out.

744
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get the Ridley's and those guys they can't

745
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: improve and they're not picking high, you know, so they

746
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 2: took a shot and when a rookie contra and now

747
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: they're in trouble.

748
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: This is the tough thing about this this time of

749
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: the year. You know, a month ago, people would have

750
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: said the same thing about the Steelers, Oh, you got

751
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: to get rid of all the the entire offensive staff

752
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: has to go, right, still feel that way now, Yeah,

753
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: now there's more rumblings of I mean even the roughest

754
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: of Steeler fans, well maybe they should keep Maybe they

755
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: don't need.

756
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: An offensive coordinator. You hear these little whispers like I

757
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't dare.

758
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Say that for my Like I literally had other reporters

759
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: come to beings and say, well, they need to just

760
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: fire the entire offensive staff. And I'm like, really, you're

761
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: going to fire the offensive line coach?

762
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: Yes, do we think the o line coach is bad?

763
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: The receivers coach something's.

764
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Something's done a pretty good job, you know, like you

765
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: just you're gonna fire them all. Well, they just need

766
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: something different.

767
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Something different is not always the miss it's not always

768
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: the move to make. No, no, I mean, I'm not

769
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: saying they might. There definitely won't be changes. I don't

770
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: know the answer to that. But changes just for changes

771
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: isn't good.

772
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: It's not the way to do things, and it's not

773
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: the way the Steelers do things.

774
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: And the O line is a great example. I mean,

775
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: look much better it's gotten throughout the season or developing

776
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Roderck Jones, you know what I mean. Guys like that,

777
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, it makes sense.

778
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: I just you know, I cringe when when I see

779
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: and maybe it's because you know, I've been covering this

780
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: team for thirty two years now. In thirty two years,

781
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: I've seen three losing seasons like it. It seems to

782
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: work pretty well with what they do.

783
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: The work well, yeah, it ends up and wins.

784
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: And I see these other teams, these other organizations make

785
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: knee jerk reactions like that, and it's just it boggles

786
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: my mind. Yeah, you know, the guy in Carolina is

787
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: going to be on what his fifth head coach in

788
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: three seasons or whatever.

789
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: Jackson was on a pretty good run, you know. I

790
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: mean a lot of these teams have made a lot

791
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: of moves lately. It's just hard to build anything that way.

792
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean it really is.

793
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's a small, small example, but I've said

794
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: it a lot. I mean, just the year, as with

795
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: the Browns, we scouted all year for a Butcher Davis

796
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: stack for three the old school, you know, linebackers that

797
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: could run upfield penetrators. That's when four to three than

798
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: three fours were a lot different.

799
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, oh yeah.

800
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: And then Romeo gets hired and he once Vince Wilfork

801
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: and McGuinness and like, well, I gotta throw all these reports.

802
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: I mean every scout report have to look through different eyes.

803
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: I mean it's just a waste of time.

804
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean those guys just didn't fit what you Yeah,

805
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: some of them would, but you know, yes all of them.

806
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: Most of them wouldn't.

807
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: People probably don't remember. I mean, like this is really

808
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: going down a rabbit hole. But Glenn Dorsey was like

809
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: the fourth pick in the draft in LSU by the Chiefs,

810
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: and he was Warren Sap. I mean, he was in

811
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: upfield penetrating d tackle. So they draft them and they're bad,

812
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: fourth overall or something like that, and he shows slashes

813
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: as a rookie and then they bring in a three

814
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: four and ask him a nose, you know, like that

815
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: poor guy, like, what are we doing here? You just

816
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: trade me that? That's not what it is, that's how

817
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: what he is at all, you know, like and then

818
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: he kind of fizzled out, like yeah, of course he did, right,

819
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: you know.

820
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: And back in those days, there's a big difference. Talk

821
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: about it all the time with the Steelers because they

822
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: were they were one of like maybe eight teams that

823
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: ran a three four at one point much less, unless

824
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, there were times was less than that. So

825
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: it made it easy to find the Joey Porters and

826
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the Jason Gilden. You could take those guys in the

827
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: third round. They'd be first rounders because nobody drafted those

828
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: guys because you were looking for four to three ins, right.

829
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: Those are like, uh, the Iowa State kid that the

830
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: Jets too. McDonald, Yeah, you know, like he goes in

831
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: the first round. Now he was quota tween er, he's

832
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: two thirty five to forty whatever he was. That's Guilden,

833
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: I mean, that's orter. You know.

834
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: So there comans kind of changes. You're changing a lot.

835
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: You're changing not just not just the scheme, but maybe

836
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: who you need to play in that scheme.

837
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean all the things that I mean,

838
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: the Mankas of the world can do everything, but there

839
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: aren't many so changes usually mean.

840
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: A step back, right, You're taking a step backwards.

841
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope most owners at least realize that

842
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: if we're going to make a big change, first thing

843
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: is going to happen. We're gonna go backwards and then

844
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: maybe we'll take some steps forwards from there. But that's

845
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: probably how it's going to go.

846
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we talked about this year with

847
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the and why we thought maybe they would take as

848
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, they might take a step back this year

849
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: because they're completely changing and we didn't know at the

850
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: time when we said it. You know, they didn't it

851
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 1: wasn't a massive massive shift in how.

852
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: They played football, no, right, right, right, I mean they

853
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: still ran the ball a lot, right, you know, right,

854
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: but how long.

855
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Is it going to take them to get up to

856
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: speed with this new as an adjustment period and they

857
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: did start the season three and two.

858
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: The rest of the division didn't have any adjustment, right, adjustment.

859
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Fortunately for them, they you know, they they played some

860
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: teams that they were able to win some of those.

861
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: Games early and then they really put together and then.

862
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: They put it together. But there's always that adjustment period

863
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: with that.

864
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I mean I would love to do a

865
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: study in the last ten years new coaching staffs first

866
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: month of the season. I bet they hit like thirty

867
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: three percent of games. I mean, I guarantee it's under

868
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: five hundred. Yeah, because you don't inherit great teams to

869
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: begin with. But you know, like the Texans are a

870
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: good example. They get wiped out by Baltimore and then

871
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: they started to find themselves in this league this year.

872
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Rookie head coach, rookie quarterback.

873
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: You know that that's how it happens. And you wonder too,

874
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: like is that a reason to go at you know,

875
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: if you're one of these one of these teams that's

876
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: making some changes, do you do you look at that

877
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: and say, well, we think we're pretty good team, so

878
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get an experienced guy.

879
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's the thing. I mean, there's there's

880
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting coaching candidates out there this year,

881
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: and I hope people just don't get the hot offensive

882
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: play caller, play designer guy that may or may not

883
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: be able to lead people. You know, because you could

884
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: go back to the well with I mean there's some

885
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: big fishes. I mean there's Rabel now maybe Belichick, probably Belichick, Harball.

886
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: I mean guys that have been around the block that

887
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: are gonna be expensive, that have won a lot of games,

888
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, or even you know, like a rivera is.

889
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get rehired, but you could bring him

890
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: in as like your senior assistant. You know that poor

891
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: guy had to do hither like.

892
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: But the helterally, Yeah, the face of the franchise.

893
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: In Washingtonsmo and the lawn and Peyton.

894
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Because the owner couldn't the owner couldn't be around the team.

895
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: No right, he had to like own GM and head

896
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: coach that thing for a while, and they weren't good.

897
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they shouldn't have made a change, but he.

898
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Has value to an organization, no doubt. Yeah, we're gonna

899
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm

900
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on Steelers

901
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

902
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson.

903
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: And Matt you know you can look at a lot

904
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: of different things. Well, before I do that, let me

905
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: do the Steeler fans gear up, Yeah with the latest

906
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907
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908
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909
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910
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Speaker 1: or Tanga outlets, where you can visit online at shop

911
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: dot Steelers dot com. Now that we have that little uh, yeah,

912
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: go do that. Mason Rudolph will start this game for

913
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: the Steelers. He's starting seventy four passes this year. Yeah,

914
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: he's the highest rated quarterback in the NFL in terms

915
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: of passer rating.

916
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, with seventy four more attempts. Yeah yeah, right, not

917
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: the guys with two passes, you.

918
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, not the guys who started a game.

919
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: It's pretty remarkable. I mean, his numbers are as good

920
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 2: as anyone.

921
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: A seventy four point three percent completion percentage, which is

922
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: the highest in the league. Yeah.

923
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what he's done has been amazing. I mean, can

924
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: this continue?

925
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: Is this? Like?

926
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: No?

927
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean not at this level?

928
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: Right again, I don't think he's gonna be first and

929
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: second in every category basically, But I do think I

930
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I am not impressed with Cincy

931
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: or Seattle's defense, and I'm super impressed with Baltimore's. But

932
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: they did rest some dudes. But there was also weather

933
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: there too, and he can still completed ninety percent of

934
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: his passes. I mean, he wasn't driving twenty yard outs

935
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: because no one the planet could do that, so they

936
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, adapted around him. Could he be a successful

937
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: NFL starting quarterback maybe, I mean I'm open to that, yeah,

938
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 2: I mean, if you run.

939
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: The ball the way the Steelers have run the ball

940
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: in recent weeks. And there's some crazy numbers here that

941
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Michael Burrs from the Steelers came up with here of

942
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: what the Steelers have done recently to run the ball.

943
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: In terms of running the ball, since week nine, the

944
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Steelers ranked top five in rushes three hundred and twenty

945
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: three rushing attempts that led the league rushing yards. They

946
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: were second with fourteen hundred and fifty two longest rush

947
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: seventy four yards that was second yards per carry yards

948
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: after contact I'm sorry per rush three point three seven

949
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: yards after contact for contact, that's second in the league.

950
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: Ten plus yard rushes they had thirty nine of those

951
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: that was fourth. First downs by rush seventy nine which

952
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: was third. They were rushing touchdowns they had thirteen, which

953
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: was tied for second. Rushes per game, thirty two point

954
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: three which is second, rushing yards per game, one hundred

955
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: and forty five point two which was second, and they're

956
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: all top the list. Yeah, ten plus rushing yards per

957
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: game they had three point nine, which was fifth.

958
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: Wow.

959
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean the running game has been has been top

960
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: not like if you can do that. Yeah, I'm not

961
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: saying you or I could play quarterback, but as sure

962
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: as heck makes things a lot easier on your quarterback.

963
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: It sure does. I mean, for the whole season, only

964
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: three offenses have a higher percentage of their runs go

965
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: for fifteen or more yards, and neither one of those

966
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: guys is super Burner Jamal Charles Chris Johnson type. Only

967
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: seven offenses generate more yards per carry after first contact.

968
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: And this is including the first months of the season

969
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: when it was bad. Yeah, bad right. The other thing

970
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: I dug up with Rudolph is of all those passers

971
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: with seventy four or more attempts, which is his number,

972
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor, which this is subjective, but with you know,

973
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: we talked about turnover worthy throws. That's a pure pro

974
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: football focused things. But Tyrod Taylor is going to one

975
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: with a better rate than Rudolph. So it's not like, yeah,

976
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: I've always getting away with some stuff. Yeah, like not

977
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: at all. I mean, he's making phenomenal decisions and maybe

978
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: that's what he's doing better than anything.

979
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: No, there's no doubt about it. I mean, you know

980
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: Baltimore Williams jumped the first pass game gone poorly, that

981
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: could have gone poorly. Yeah, he didn't catch it right,

982
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: and people, well, you know that's their backups.

983
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: No he's not. He's not Pro Bowl free, Pro Bowl

984
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: free safety making like eight million years Yeah, paying that dude.

985
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: You know, so he sometimes you get away with those things.

986
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: Of course, right, you know have turnover worthy plays. I mean,

987
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: if you're a starting quarterback, they just happened.

988
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they happen. But if you think about it, after that,

989
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: he was nineteen or eighteen and nineteen passing the ball, throwing.

990
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: The ball, don't whether any that were really in harm's

991
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: way or he made a couple of plays that it

992
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe he got that offercent. His

993
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: timing has been really good. His ability to hold the

994
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: ball until the right moment has been really good, layering

995
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: the football, those are things he was really good at

996
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State too. You know, like people forget like he

997
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: was a pretty sound prospect as a passer and knows

998
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: something that had some of those things coming in, you know,

999
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: coming into the league.

1000
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: It begs the question. And I know a lot of

1001
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: people have been asking us, and maybe we don't have

1002
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: enough time to handle this right now, but what do

1003
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: you do next year if Mason Rudolph leads you to

1004
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: a playoff win this week.

1005
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: Even if you lose this game and he I think

1006
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't even matter and he plays Okay, yeah he doesn't.

1007
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: He's not Frank's game.

1008
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: I still don't know that I changed my tune of

1009
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: what he is as a player. I mean, I don't

1010
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: think he's going to be first in the league in

1011
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: passer rating for the rest of his career, you know.

1012
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: So, But I sent you a list today for Mike

1013
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: Clay of the appending free agents.

1014
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I already know what I would do a

1015
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: quarterback is I would cut Trubisky, okay, and I would,

1016
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: And Trubisky's making nice backup money. I think it's like

1017
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: eight million a year. I would take that exact same

1018
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: contract and hand it to Mason and say what do

1019
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: you think of this?

1020
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some people they feel like that, Oh, he's

1021
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: going to get a starting offer somewhere. So this is

1022
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: this is from Mike Clay from ESPN. This is his

1023
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: his quarterback rankings going into current free agent to be quarterbacks.

1024
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: He's got Cousins one, yeah, yeah, then Baker Mayfield, Gardner, Minshew,

1025
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: we can you know Joe Flacco's old, Jacoby Brissette, Okay,

1026
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: I think I think you should be better than that,

1027
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, Jamis Winston, Tyrod Taylor, Josh Dobbs. I don't

1028
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: see that he's like the third string now, yeah, Drew Locke,

1029
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, and then Mason Rudolph, but then after him,

1030
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Easton, Stick, Tyler Huntley, Carson Wins, Trevor Simmey,

1031
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: and Blaine Gabbert.

1032
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, how many on that list will be

1033
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: guaranteed a week one starting job besides Cousins, Maybe none,

1034
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: maybe Mayfield if with Tampa. Yes, but Rudolph won't be anywhere.

1035
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, unless he wins a Super Bowl. I could

1036
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: well guaranteed.

1037
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: Where Atlanta is going to be drafting. It's going to

1038
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: be interesting because they may not be in a spot

1039
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: where they can get one of those in the top

1040
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: three quarter.

1041
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: If he were competing against Ritter, maybe he'd get guaranteed it,

1042
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: But I doubt that would be their only answer, you know, right,

1043
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: I think it would be that in McCarthy or Pennix

1044
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: or trade for Fields or or Bsett or Bersett or

1045
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: something like that. So if I'm Rudolph, I'd be very

1046
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: interested in coming back if I can make a similar

1047
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: deal to Trubisky, maybe with a lot of incentives. Hey,

1048
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: if you start X amount of games. And frankly, I

1049
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: would say this is an open competition between Rudolph and Pickett.

1050
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's the fairest thing to handle

1051
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: all those guys and truly have a competition right down

1052
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: the middle. And I would never turn my nose up

1053
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: starting in maybe round three if there's another guy, I.

1054
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Think, I think you're at that point where, yeah, you

1055
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: could draft a young guy.

1056
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's never a terrible idea.

1057
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: No, I mean, if you don't have the guy, then

1058
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: you keep drafting until you get the guy.

1059
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, take three bites at the app or whatever,

1060
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: and that that third guy would not be in the competition.

1061
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get the ball fighting for battles,

1062
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: but I think that's the move for next year.

1063
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: That's what I would do as well. You know, I

1064
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: would think Rudolph would want to come back here.

1065
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: I would think to what he knows.

1066
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: He knows the personnel, he knows everything about the you know,

1067
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: the team, the roster. Yeah, yes, it might be a

1068
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: new offense next year, might not, we'll see.

1069
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll learn together. Yeah, I mean I have

1070
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: I mean, unless the playoffs go unbelievably well for him

1071
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: and the Steelers. I can't imagine a team just saying

1072
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: you're our starter. Welcome to the team, you're our start.

1073
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: No, I can't imagine that he's gonna have to come. Yeah,

1074
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: he would be competing no matter where he goes. In

1075
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: most situations, he would be the two, which is different

1076
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: than where he was at last year, where all the

1077
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: all the options that he had was to go somewhere,

1078
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: to be a number three, or to compete to be

1079
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: the number three, Like if Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Or Seattle's a good example, we'll give you a nice

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Speaker 2: number two contract, but you're the two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're younger than him, and maybe he falls

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Speaker 2: off and you take over, but you're the two, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is that what you want to do? I mean, here,

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Speaker 2: I think he could at least compete for the one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. So it's gonna be interesting. We'll see

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Speaker 1: where that goes. But that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: our number one.

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Speaker 2: There's no denying now he's played though, no he can't play.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah uh. We'll be back with our number

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Speaker 1: two of the drive right after this