1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: On today's episode, It's News, we're talking about John Malcovich ginning, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: cut from Fantastic Four, Emmy nominations, Zelda casting. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: And more. It's News. 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: Hello. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: My name is Jasconseepsio and I'm Rosen Height and welcome 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: back to Extra Vision of the podcast, when we dive deep. 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: To your favorite shows, movies, comments of pop culture. 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Coming to you from My Heart Podcast, where we're bringing 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: you three episodes a week. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Plus news, which is now. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 4: It's now, And in today's episode, we are catching up 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 4: on the biggest geek news of the week, including the 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 4: actors confirmed to play Zelda and Lincoln an upcoming film 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: I want to feel old because they are young as hell. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 5: Hey, you know they are young as hell. And highlights 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 5: of the Emmy nominations. 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 4: What got snobbed, what got approved? What do people like, 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 4: what do people not like? We'll talk about it, but first, 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: you know it's gonna be Joe Malkovich getting caught from 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 4: the Fantastic Four. 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Rosie, you teased it. We talked about it in this intro. 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: John Malkovich, who played the Red Ghost and the Fantastic Four, 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: has been cut. It's been confirmed by various sources, including 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: director Matt Shackman, who spoke about it in an interview 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: with a Variety. Here is Shachman quote. There were a 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of things that ultimately ended up hitting the cut 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: in room floor when we were building a sixties retro 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: future world, introducing all these villains, introducing these four main 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: characters as a group, as well as individually introducing the 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: idea of a child. There was a lot of stuff 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: to balance in this movie and some things that had 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: to go ultimately in terms of shaping the film for 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: its final version. 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Interesting, very interesting. So a lot of things there. 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: First of all, villains, yes plural, introducing the idea of 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: a child, meaning I know Franklin not going to be 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 1: born in this. 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 4: But we've seen a baby now, so it's like it's changed. 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 4: It's like when is it happening? Where does he come from? 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: And my other thing we've been talking about this off 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: mic is we have I feel like if it was 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: truly a story problem, and this might be like not 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: a big deal, But if it was truly a story problem, 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: then testing would have indicated that, and watches of the 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: cut would have indicated that a while ago, and the 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: fact that he was that Malcolm the chisword Ghost is 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: in at least the second version of the trailer. I 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: believe right he's in the trailer. Leads me to believe 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: that it's something else. Maybe the storyline is too similar 50 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: to something that happens in Superman. 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 5: We did feel. 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: Like that was a thing because okay, so they say that. 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: According to this Variety article, the Fantastic Four is begins 54 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 4: with a lengthy sequence detailing their early years as superheroes, 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: which goes along with what we've heard from the fan 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: screenings they've started to do around the world. But they're 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: showing kind of thirty minutes of the movie when they 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: battled the Red Ghost and as they say, this was 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: part of it his team of super Apes. Now that 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: is where I'm like, okay, guys, you were gonna do 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: the apes because that is caninically who the Red Ghost 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: is crazy to me and maybe hints that we are 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: going to see them fight multiple iconic Fantastic Four villains 64 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: in this sequence. Maybe this felt too close to Lex 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: Luthor and his monkeys that he had controlling the Internet. 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 5: Maybe this in. 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: The Pocketing worsh itself. 68 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: You know, I was gonna say, like, is was this 69 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: a situation where they battled him and put him into 70 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: the Negative Zone and they felt like maybe that was 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: too close to the Pocket universe. 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 5: That Lex created. 73 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: It feels like reactionary to me, especially because I do 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: think that fan wise, I think the Fantastic foeheads would 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: have loved to see Alot Ghost Red Ghost in his 76 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: team of super apes, like I definitely didn't think they 77 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: were going to do. 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: The Negative Zone is kind of integral to the Fantastic 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Four as a as a series of characters, and many 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: of their storylines hinge on stuff that happens with the 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: Negative Zone. 82 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: So it if it's. 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: That I would be I think I'd be surprised, although 84 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: it would make some amount of sense if it was 85 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: as big a scene as you're talking about. It feels 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: like a huge lift you did. We did mention in 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: our preview Galactus and Silver Surfer episode that the Red 88 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: time is pretty short, relatively relative. 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: Yah. 90 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe. 91 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: That's where the cuts tell. At the same time, my 92 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: feeling is that these two companies rip each other off 93 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: all the time constantly. 94 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: It's like it's the hilarity of being in these movies, 95 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: these movies and called things. 96 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: That are are reflective of each other or use tropes 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: sci fi tropes, fantasy tropes that they do not have 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: a monopolyon. So I agree with you if it is 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: a Superman reaction, I feel like it's quite reactionary if 100 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: it is that, because I kind of don't believe that 101 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: it's like a, oh, it was too overloaded with story 102 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: and so we took it. 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: I kind of don't believe that, though. 104 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: I will say that in its own way, could be 105 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 4: a response to Superman, because one of the critiques it 106 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: got was like it was overstuffed. But at the same time, 107 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: I also worry if they think it was like a 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 4: little bit too close to Superman because you're basically throwing 109 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: people into this world and going, hey, here's what happened 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 4: in this world. I'm interested too, because one of the 111 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 4: compliments of Superman was that it was very accessible. You 112 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 4: didn't need to know anything. And this is starting with 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 4: thirty minutes of Hey, here's the origin or whatever happened. 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 5: So I'm intrigued. But yeah, I also like. 115 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: I would say there's maybe a five to ten percent 116 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: choice that that wasn't the character he was gonna play, 117 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: and he was gonna play a different character, and they're 118 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: just telling us that, and we'll find out. But if 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: they've been screening it, if they've been testing it, it'll 120 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: be interesting to start seeing on Reddit people who saw 121 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 4: that version of it, and two potentially were able to 122 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: tell us like how it feels because they screen these 123 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: and test these movies all over the country so often. 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, very interesting. 125 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: I will be sad not to see the super apes, 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: but who knows, maybe they'll come back another time. 127 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Up next, Nintendo confirms actors to play Link and Zelda, 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: the kind of crucial characters of the other very important 129 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: Zelda films. 130 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: They are Bo Braggerson, who will play Zelda. 131 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: She's an English actress who has made appearances in the 132 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: BBC series Three Girls in the Disney Plus series Rennegade 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: Nell and Benjamin Evan Ainsworth, who will play the laconic Link. 134 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: He is also an English actor and he's start in 135 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: the Haunting of Manner one of. 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: The creepy kids. 137 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: He's one of those creepy kids. He's also the voice 138 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: of Pinocchio in the live action remake and good voice factor. 139 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: I my hype meter. 140 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I still have not processed that this 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: is really any of that. 142 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: It's not until I see a trailer that I will 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: truly begin to get incredibly hyped. 144 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was really in the Hunter Schaefer camp because 145 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: I just think she looks like Zelda. 146 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: But I get it. They're going super young here. 147 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: They're like, why not? This is worthwhile? Our audience is kids. 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: If you think about how successful the Minecraft movie has been, 149 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: going young makes sense. 150 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 5: Die Benjamin's hair. 151 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: He was so good, Like I will tell you go 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: and watch Haunting of Blame Mana. 153 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: I love that show for many different reasons, but. 154 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: One of them is the kids are so good and 155 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: so creepy and so hard. So he definitely has the range. 156 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: I'm interested to see if he has hero range. I also, 157 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: we are all hoping that Zelda's not just gonna be 158 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: like a sleep for the whole movie. I'm guessing by 159 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: the fact that these two are kind of being cast together. 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 5: It will not be the case for that. 161 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 4: So, I mean the main thing for me, let's be real, 162 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: when you play these games is to spend time in 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: the world. So that's really what we need to see. 164 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: We need to know what this is gonna look like. 165 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: We need to know what era it's gonna be. We 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: need to know what kind of vibe it's gonna be. 167 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: I do love that the photo and the announcements were 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 4: made by Nintendo. I think that is cool and hints 169 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: that they're gonna have a lot of control over it. 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm intrigued. Nintendo Live Action Movie. How long 171 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: has it been? You know? Are we talking about Super 172 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: Mario Brothers. 173 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: It's been a minute. 174 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 5: I like, I'm ready. I'm ready to see Zelda come to. 175 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 4: Life and yeah, young But you know what, let's give 176 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: them a chance. Let's see maybe this could be a 177 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: long time franchise for them. I see why they would 178 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: do it in that way. 179 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: Let's take a. 180 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: Quick break and come back with Morgan. 181 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: And we're back. 182 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: Emmy nominations just hit. Some of our favorite shows were 183 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: heavily nominated. 184 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: I gotta say, I feel like everything we covered was 185 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: getting the hits. Like I'm feeling late, this was a 186 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: good year for us and also for Genre TV. 187 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Some notable snubs. Yeah, big genre TV nomination season. Let's 188 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: start with Severance twenty seven nominations. The studio absolutely hilarious. 189 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: If you have Apple TV Plus and you've already watched Severance. 190 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 5: One of the best shows of the Studio, No questions. 191 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Twenty three noms in the Comedy. A big talking point 192 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: in recent nomination seasons has been the fact that The Bear, 193 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: which is. 194 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 5: Very dramatic and sad not a comedy. 195 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: It is not a comedy, has been nominated in the 196 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: comedy genre. And I think this is the year that 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: the Emmys finally turn away from that, and I think 198 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: the Studio is gonna win big. 199 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: That's just a prediction. 200 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: Penguin twenty four nominations. When your nominations, I fucking loved that. 201 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: I did not think that was the gonna be the 202 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: case for The Penguin, but I think that is one 203 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: of the best made shows. I think I love that 204 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: it's getting this celebratory hYP but because this is gonna 205 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: tell execs, which is really who the award shows are 206 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: for that Hey, people like this, like keep doing stuff 207 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 4: like this, And I think, like there was a time 208 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: five years ago, pre MCUTV in the era is now 209 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: where if you said that a superhero TV show based 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: on the Penguin was gonna get twenty four Emmy norms, 211 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: they would have laughed you out the house. But they 212 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 4: managed to do that, And I love how much the 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: appreciation of not just the cast, but also the below 214 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 4: the line people. Now, I will say that is going 215 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: to lead us into our and or norms, which sadly 216 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: fourteen nominations incredible, but. 217 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 5: Like barely any talent. 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: Only Forest Whittaker, I think as a guest star, which 219 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: you know we love Sorgerera he deserves, but he think 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: it's pretty ten ten minutes and also the real there 221 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: are a lot of unbelievable guest stars this year that 222 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 4: basically wiped out a lot of suspect so Yellow Jackets 223 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: for example, it was an uneven season. 224 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: Paramount got crushed. 225 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 5: Paramount got crushed everything, it's only below the line. 226 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Amazon also got crushed. 227 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: Nothing there because Paramount was definitely I think they thought 228 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: that Hilary Swank would be in the running for Best Guests. 229 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 4: She was really great in that show. I do believe 230 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 4: Melonielinski is still acting. 231 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 5: Her ass off. 232 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 4: But the studio severance and or the pit especially in 233 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 4: all the categories, they kind of started to go up again. 234 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: Like even the Bear received thirteen nominations, which is a lot, 235 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 4: but it's not twenty three, which is what they got 236 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 4: the year that they set the record. That the studio 237 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: has now met them at so I'm very interested. I 238 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: think I think that the studio is really gonna absolutely 239 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: eat this up because they have an episode that's set 240 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: the Emmys. They have a really funny bit that they 241 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: do there with sal Sapristin. I'm sure that will come through. 242 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: It's also funny because, like I thought, the studio was 243 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: a shoe in because it's just so fantastically made. It's like, 244 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 4: cinematography is incredible, the writing is incredible. Martin Scorsese got 245 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: a nomination and Emmy nomination for acting this year from this, 246 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 4: and I thought it was. 247 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: Quite clear it was gonna be absolutely just awards bate. 248 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: But Seth Rogan clearly did not, and I was like, Okay, 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 4: why was that? And then I saw a really interesting 250 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 4: interview with him where he was basically like, my entire 251 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: career has been like anti awards, Like no one will 252 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: give an award to any of my movies. So he 253 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 4: was like, so we just didn't even consider this would 254 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: be something people would be interested in awarding. 255 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: Well, so I think that's really interesting. Who was the 256 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 5: biggest snub for you, Jason? 257 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to say that when 258 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: you have and orget for fourteen nominations, and then you 259 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: don't have the lead of the show, Diego. Come on 260 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: to me, that's a massive war Stellan scarsguard who is 261 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: yes is on real throughout the show, or the girl 262 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: who plays Claya for that last episode, or jeneviev O'Reilly, 263 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: who is such an emotional lynchman. I will say, here's 264 00:13:59,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: here's what I'll. 265 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: Say, Denis Go as well, who plays Evil Queen in 266 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 4: that show. 267 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: There's several weird There's several weird decisions, like the Sagerera nomination, 268 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, like we love Padri Pascal, but him 269 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: getting a nomination for the Last of US two and 270 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: he's in it for fifteen minutes strange. But I think 271 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: all of the decisions make sense through this lens one. 272 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: The Emmys are always a year behind, so I think 273 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: that they probably went in thinking nobody's gonna watch and 274 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: Or because nobody watched season one, taken by surprise by 275 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the critical acclaim, and so it was probably like a 276 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: little bit of a let's be honest, probably a little 277 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: bit of a struggle to get the Emmy crew to 278 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: watch the screeners for and Or season two when they 279 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: didn't watch one because it's a tremendous amount of homework. 280 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: So when the critical came in, they all of a 281 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: sudden had to be like, Okay, well we got to 282 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: give them stuff, but we none of us watched it, right. 283 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: And I think secondarily to that, they really care about stars. 284 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Why did patro Pescal get a nomination because he's a 285 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: huge star. 286 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 5: He is the most marketable movie saw right now. 287 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: And why did Forrest Whitiger get one? 288 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: Because we know him, we love him, He's been around, 289 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: he's he's if not a current star, he's a guy 290 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: with a tremendous career. 291 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: And I think. 292 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Award shows and not just the Emmys, really care about 293 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: shows that people watched because they need people to. 294 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: Watch these award shows. 295 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: This so they want shows that people watch to be 296 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist and be in the awards, and they 297 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: want stars to get awards and to get nominated because 298 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: it just helps the whole process. And so I think 299 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: that is kind of what happened with and Or and. 300 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: With a lot of these other ones. 301 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: And also like the Studio, for example, one it's about Hollywood. 302 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: Hollywood loves to like reward things about Hollywood. But also 303 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 4: they knew like if they nominate the studio, they do 304 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: a South Sapristine bit, they can have multiple memable moments. Also, 305 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 4: they they basically nominated all the incredible guest stars who 306 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: are not gonna lie stars, absolutely stars, and they deserved it. 307 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: But now they're all going to be at the Emmys. 308 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: That's gonna be one of the most stars studied Emmys ever. 309 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: Exactly Mine Scorsese yea at the Emmys, Like come on, 310 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: so yeah, I think I think it's always very good 311 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: to think about it from a business perspective because it's 312 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: not always about the art. 313 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: And I think you got it on the head right there. 314 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: Uh. And then next up the Christopher Nolan's long awaited 315 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: I'm only saying long awaited because the Odyssey. 316 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Is or is it thousands of years old? 317 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: Thousands of years old? 318 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Uh, an oral tradition from the you know, Greek antiquity. 319 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: The his Christopher Nolans adaptation of that story is apparently 320 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: sold out a year in advance. 321 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: It This is cracking me out. 322 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: It's crazy, but you know what, I love this simply 323 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: for the look do I really am I personally as Rosie. 324 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: The person you all know, the kind of movies I. 325 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: Watch am I personally like so excited for The Odyssey 326 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: that I tried to buy Imax tickets in advance? 327 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 5: Absolutely not. 328 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 4: But do I love the fact that a movie that 329 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 4: has not even wrapped yet put its IMAX ticket sales 330 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 4: up a year in advance and they all sold out. Yes, 331 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 4: because this is the kind of momentum that we should 332 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 4: be following to get people into Cinema's post Sinners and 333 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 4: post you know, I mean look Sinner's fucking masterpiece. But 334 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 4: also we've had other massive hits that have got people 335 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: into cinema Final Destination, Bloodlines, like let's keep this going. 336 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: People want to see things in big screens. They want 337 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: to see them on the Imax. I believe if Jurassic 338 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: World Rebirth, which is you know, fine movie, just the fun, 339 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: little but it's been making a lot of money, it 340 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 4: did not have an Imax release. I think if it 341 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: had an Imax release, it would have been making so 342 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: much more money. 343 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 5: Because right now. 344 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: People love to go and see a film on the 345 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 4: biggest screen possible. There are gonna be sixty in movie 346 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: theaters that can film that can screen The Odyssey in 347 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: seventy millimeter, and pretty much all of them are already 348 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: sold out. We need to expand the ability to program 349 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: seventy millimeters and to program true imax. That was something 350 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 4: we learned during sinners. There needs to be more of 351 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: these big scale screens. People want the experience also, people 352 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: love to do I saw so many of my pals 353 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 4: who were like, I gotta be on there, gotta get 354 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: the tickets. You know. It's kind of like if you 355 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 4: love a band and you all get on at the 356 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 4: same time to try and get them, or if you 357 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: live in LA and you're trying to get beyond fest tickets. 358 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: There is a communal experience to buy to like trying 359 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 4: to get something that's like, really one is gonna sell out. 360 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: So I like that power. It's very community based. Now 361 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: the question is does Matt Damon have the juice to 362 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: be leading the Odyssey? 363 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 5: Like what do you think? 364 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I think he arguably still has the juice. I think 365 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: the timing of this is interesting. There was Emily Wilson, 366 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: who is a scholar at Oxford and who studied at 367 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Oxford and I think teachers now at the University of 368 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania released a wonderful contemporary translation of the Odyssey in 369 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. That is, if you've never read the Odyssey 370 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: and you're like, this is too fussy, dot he she 371 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: does something wonderful, which is create a contemporary translation, meaning 372 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, originally this story was told in contemporary language. 373 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: It was an oral tradition. Homer or the blind Poet, 374 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: if he'd even. 375 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: Existed, would have walked into the hall of whoever was 376 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: the leader of this town and just start telling this 377 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: story in language that everybody understood. 378 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: That was the language of the day. 379 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: And so what she is attempted to do, and I 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: think succeeded in doing with her translation, is creates something 381 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: that feels like somebody from today is telling you this story, 382 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: and it's wonderfully readable. It's great, and it really brought 383 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: forth this idea that I had never really latched on 384 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: to before that Odysseus is kind of a he's not 385 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: a bad guy, but he's a little bit of a 386 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: slick guy. Yes, he's a huckster a little bit. 387 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: I haven't read it yet, but I was really interested 388 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: because also my understanding is this is probably one of 389 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: the most accurate translations too. A lot of the other translations, 390 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: like translations of the Bible and stuff, are reflective of 391 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 4: whoever is translating them, and I believe that there have been, 392 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 4: you know, different things that have been added and taken away. 393 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, I've got to read it before the movie, 394 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: and I think it's going to be very interesting to 395 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 4: see how that relates. 396 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 5: So there's a. 397 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: To get it. 398 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: To bring this back to Matt Damon. We've seen Damon 399 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: do this with Ripley, with this kind of like. 400 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 5: I love that very such a good. 401 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Call, pleasant looking, charming guy that has a little bit 402 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: of grittiness to him underneath. And if that is what 403 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: Matt Damon is bringing to Odysseus, I'm I'm all the way. 404 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 2: Here for it. 405 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 4: That's a fantastic read because I love that movie and 406 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: I was thinking more of like the epic stuff he's 407 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: trying to do, which I feel like has never really 408 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 4: hit you know, your Wall of Great Wall of China 409 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 4: and et cetera. But like this, now you're saying you're 410 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 4: talking about bringing a Ripley esque nature to it. And 411 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: also obviously the rest of the cast is crazy, Tom 412 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 4: Hollands and THEA together again after Spider Man and Hathaway, 413 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 4: Lapita Neongo, Charlie's the On Wow Wow, we'll get some 414 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: hopefully more A listers will join. I would love to 415 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 4: see a little bit of John David Washington in that 416 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: the you know, the after Tenet, some other people that 417 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: he's worked with, maybe a little bit of our Pats 418 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 4: who knows. But yeah, I just think that more studios 419 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: should be doing this kind of stuff that people hyped up, 420 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: that gets the cinemas filled. People do want to see 421 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: movies on the big screen. You just got to make 422 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: it fun for them. 423 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 5: And this is proof this is a trend. 424 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: This is a movie about like an old ass, like 425 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: thousands of year old book, and Christopher Nolan had its 426 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: selling out in seventy millimeter, a format that honestly, most 427 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: people had not even heard of till Sinners. So this 428 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 4: is a success for Imax, success for Nolan, success for Universal, 429 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 4: who I know are feeling really good about taking him 430 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: away from WB at this point. 431 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: And Nolan is myster I mean, if there's a mister Imax, 432 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: it is Christopher. 433 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: It's him. 434 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: That's all for news. Now check out my chat with 435 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: Arista about his new Talk of the Town movie Headington. 436 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 5: How's it going, How are you feeling? 437 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 3: How's it how you doing going well? How are you. 438 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: Oh, I love to hear it. Yeah, yeah, good morning. 439 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 4: I just saw the movie last night. Super interesting. Really 440 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: really just stoked to talk to you about it. So 441 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: could you talk a little bit about the actual process 442 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 4: of making a movie like this, which I know was 443 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 4: like you wanted to do a Western. Obviously that shifts 444 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: and changes post Hereditary Midsummer and then you stop. But 445 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 4: what did it feel to actually make a movie about 446 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 4: COVID only a few years after COVID? 447 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 5: What was the process of making it? 448 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: Like, well, you know, I started writing it at the 449 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: time that the film is set, right, so I start 450 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: so the film is set in late May early June 451 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and that's when I started getting you know, 452 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: ideas down on paper. And that was the most important 453 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 3: part of the process, was trying to you know, kind 454 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: of grab what was in the air. And I think, 455 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: you know, that part of the process was mostly distinguished 456 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: by living on the internet, you know, to the point 457 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: where I was creating different profiles on Twitter and building 458 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: different algorithms and and just just you know, taking screenshots 459 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: making sure I had them for later. And you know, 460 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: because the film is it's a Western, but I wanted 461 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 3: it to be inflected by a very modern realism, which 462 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: is another way of all these characters live on the Internet. Yeah, 463 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: I live in the Internet. 464 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 4: Do you remember for like, kind of the sides or 465 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 4: the stories, because we kind of have you know, Vernon, 466 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 4: we have our main two guys. Do you remember any 467 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: posts that you saw where you were like, okay, that 468 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: breaks the story for that one, or like this is 469 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: the one I have to keep. This is the moment 470 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 4: and at energy I want to feel for this character. 471 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: It wasn't about individual posts, you know. The film is 472 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: really I'm really trying to pull back as far as 473 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: I can and describe like the structure of reality at 474 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: the moment, which is that nobody agrees about what is happening. 475 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: It's not it's not that we disagree on on you know, 476 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 3: any you know number of issues. It's that it's that 477 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: we don't agree about what those issues even are. And 478 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: and so you know, the film is aiming to capture 479 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: the environment. M m oh. 480 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 4: I think one of the big things that we were 481 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: talking about after we saw is it is it gives 482 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: you the feeling of being in twenty twenty again, Like 483 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: the atmosphere is there. 484 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 6: You know what hey we need to go back, I guess, 485 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 6: and you know, sometimes we need to re experience stuff 486 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 6: to think about it in a different way. 487 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: But how does it feel to then you made a 488 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: movie that was capturing that time, but as you talk about, like, 489 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 4: we are living in a time right now where that 490 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: concept of double think and what is real and what 491 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 4: is not real and what objective facts are is even 492 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: more extreme has been even more accelerated. So for you, 493 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 4: how does it feel to be releasing EDIC in twenty 494 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: twenty five? Does it feel like you're already kind of 495 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: behind the way it is now? Do you feel like 496 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 4: there was some of it that because obviously the AI 497 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: Data Centers is very timely. 498 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, more more now than when we were making it. 499 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: I would say, you know, the film is a period piece. 500 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: That's helpful, right that you know, no matter what's changing 501 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: day to day now about you know, one week in 502 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Yeah, but I will say that I've never 503 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: made a film that changes so much day to day 504 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: based on what the what the headlines are. And you know, 505 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: the thing about twenty twenty is, I don't think we've 506 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: metabolized what's happened. I don't think we've been able to 507 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: metabolize just how seismic COVID was and is because we're 508 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: still living through it and it's only gotten worse. You know, 509 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: this is a film about a bunch of people who 510 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: are living in different realities and they are unreachable to 511 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: each other, and they are, you know, kind of blind 512 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: to the fact that they're all in the same situation 513 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: and they're all subject to the same forces. 514 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 5: Hmmm, yeah, I love that. 515 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 4: And for you as a creator, as somebody who's not 516 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: a tool afraid of sharing and channeling these kind of 517 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: thoughts through your work, what did it feel like for 518 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 4: you to make Eddington? 519 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 5: Did it help you metabolize it? 520 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 4: Do you feel like you would just more sucked into 521 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 4: the storyline or did it kind of give you a 522 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 4: new insight on how you felt about twenty twenty? 523 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think one thing that was 524 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: helpful was that it was important to me to not 525 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: judge any of these characters and to understand them as 526 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: much as I could. And I hope that the film 527 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: is empathic, you know, but it's just it's just that 528 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: it's empathetic in many different directions, and some of them 529 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: are are oppositional and a big part of the process 530 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: of making this film, well, specifically writing it was while 531 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: I was in post production on BO was afraid. I 532 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: flew out to New Mexico, and which is where I'm from. 533 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: I grew up in New Mexico. So I've been wanting 534 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: to make my New Mexico movie for a long time. 535 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: But I flew back out and I drove around the 536 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: state for a long time, and I went to different 537 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: counties and I talked to different shares tarfs. I went 538 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: to small towns, and you know, I spoke with mayors, 539 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: police chiefs, public officials. I went to Pueblos. I just 540 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: tried to get as broad a picture of the the 541 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: landscape and the political climate of New Mexico as I could, 542 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: And so I was doing that in twenty twenty two, 543 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 3: moving into twenty three. But I was specifically asking them 544 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: a lot about what their experience was during twenty twenty 545 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: and a lot of these characters are modeled on the 546 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: people I met, and it really helped the movie get 547 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: away from me. Joaquin's character, Joe Cross is specifically modeled 548 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: on one sheriff that we both found very interesting. Even 549 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: his wardrobe, it is basically a rip off. 550 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 5: That's so interesting. 551 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: But it makes sense because this does feel like a 552 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 4: movie where, let's say, your movies can be very personal, 553 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 4: and I do feel like this broadens that and looks 554 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: at many different people's kind of experiences and obviously through 555 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: your lens. 556 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 5: But could you also talk about. 557 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: When you are making a film like this, there you 558 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 4: have so many tonal shifts. 559 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 5: You love to play with kind of genre expectations. 560 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: But at the heart of this, especially as we move 561 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 4: into like the third act, there is some like incredibly thrilling, 562 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 4: kind of neo noir ish crime elements that I don't 563 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: feel like I've necessarily seen in your work before. 564 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 5: Could you talk a little bit about that. 565 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: When it starts things start to kind of ramp up 566 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: in that second to third act and bringing that element. 567 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, it's a Western, and you know 568 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: it's it's meant to be fun, and it's also a 569 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: dark comedy. I don't know, it's doing a lot of things, 570 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: and it is a bit of a shape shifter. I 571 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: like that. I like when a movie pivots and turns 572 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: and changes. I don't like to know exactly where I'm going, 573 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: you know. And but the film is also very much 574 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: about you know, people who are media literate, and they're 575 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: all living in kind of different movies, right. I think 576 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: Joaquin's character would have grown up watching those older westerns, 577 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: and I think that informs how he sees himself and 578 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: probably why he became a sheriff. And he's a defender 579 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: of his community. He's a man of action, you know, 580 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: he loves his wife, stands up for what's right. That's 581 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: how he sees himself, right. But he also he's fifty 582 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: years old. He would have grown up with the action 583 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: movies of the eighties and the nineties, and at the 584 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: end he gets to live in one has become you know, 585 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: kind of a I don't know how you'd describe it, 586 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 3: like an outrageous. 587 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, like a canon. 588 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 4: I like he's kind of like Arnie with his giant gun, 589 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 4: you know, going and then he gets canonized as this 590 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: hero even though the audience knows there are kind of 591 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: different versions of what happened, which makes sense because, like 592 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 4: you said, different versions of reality is like a big 593 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 4: part of this. Yeah, Okay, did you ever consider this 594 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: is just me as a person who's like very into 595 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: comic books and all that kind of stuff, And did 596 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: you ever kind of consider that as like its own 597 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: weird kind of multiverse, because we are all living in 598 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: our own versions of reality where there are these kind 599 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: of like I can see something and read it completely 600 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: differently or believe that there is something completely different going on. 601 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 5: So when you were kind of sorting those different universes out, 602 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 5: how did you keep track of them? For each character 603 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 5: they're kind of worldview that they were in. 604 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm trying to cover as many corners 605 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 3: of the Internet specifically at that time as I could. 606 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: You know, I would have included more characters or ideologies 607 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: if I could have, without you know, sacrificing story or 608 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: you know, just narrative coherency. And coherency is an interesting 609 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: thing with this movie because it's about the incoherent miasma, right, 610 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: so coherently but yeah, you know, I mean, I mean 611 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: what I will say, It's a film about a bunch 612 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: of people who care about the world and are very paranoid, 613 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: and they all see that something is very badly wrong. 614 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: They don't agree about what that thing is, and you know, 615 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: there's a very clear point in the movie where I 616 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: think the film becomes fully gripped and possessed by like 617 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: that paranoia and that's the biggest pivot point. 618 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, I think that's when for me everything 619 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 4: kind of came together and I was like, Okay, like 620 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 4: I see the perspective and the experience that we are 621 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 4: we are kind. 622 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 5: Of looking through. I would love talk to you more. 623 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask what. 624 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 4: I was sat next to a very sweet kid when 625 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 4: I was there, called Manny Liota, who has a cy 626 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 4: called Movies with Manny, who put this as his most 627 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 4: anticipated movie of the year, and A twenty four has 628 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 4: been using it. 629 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 5: So I asked him what he would ask. 630 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 4: You if he would get to talk to you, and 631 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 4: he said that he sent me a very thoughtful question 632 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 4: that was basically like, what was a daily practice that 633 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: you took on while filming Eddington that was new compared 634 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 4: to the other things that you had done with your 635 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: other kind of projects, and how it got you into 636 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 4: the mindset for Eddington. 637 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say about And this is not just 638 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: for Eddington. This is something that started with BoA's Afraid, 639 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: and it started because I was working with Joaquin Phoenix, 640 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 3: but it persisted through here and I think I was 641 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: ready for it in a new way. On this and 642 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 3: I incorporated it into my preparation and my you know whatever, 643 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: if I have any methodology. With my first two films, 644 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: I was very afraid of deviating from a plan, you know, 645 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: I I so I blocked everything out. I shot listed 646 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: everything before we even started scouting, let alone certain actors, 647 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 3: and that really locked us into things that you know, 648 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: I was afraid to let shift. You know that. That's 649 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: why we built the entire house in Hereditary. It was 650 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 3: because I I there was no hope of finding an 651 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: actual house that would allow for for anything that I 652 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: wanted to actually do with the camera with with the 653 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: blocking uh that persisted through Midsommar and then on on. 654 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: But was afraid. I knew that that wasn't gonna fly 655 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 3: with Joaquin, that if I now a plan, he would 656 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 3: like rebel against it. And and that's what one reason 657 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to work with him was. I wanted to 658 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 3: be challenged in that way. And I found that, you know, 659 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 3: on that film I had, I still had the same 660 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 3: kind of plan. I just kept it to myself and 661 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 3: I and I allowed it to change based on what 662 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 3: you know came up in my work with Joaquin. And 663 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 3: on this one, I I really allowed myself to not 664 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 3: have as much of a plan and so and and 665 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: this was also the first film that I ever shot 666 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: with nose. Nothing built on stages. Wow, those sets in 667 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: this movie. Everything is is on location. Some of some 668 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 3: of these, you know, like for instance, the Sheriff's office. Yeah, 669 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: that that, you know that Ted Garcia's bar. We we 670 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: built those from scratch, basically in abandoned you know, buildings. 671 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 3: But but still nothing's on a stage, so exactly the 672 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 3: level of control is less. And so anyway, that's my 673 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: kind of rambling. 674 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 5: You know, I love that one. I'm sure Manny's gonna 675 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 5: be super stoked. He's such a big fan of all 676 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 5: your work. 677 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 4: And also as well, I can actually feel that kind 678 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 4: of unleashed freedom in the movie. That makes a lot 679 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 4: of sense to me when when we look at the 680 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 4: kind of twists and turns it takes and the way 681 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: that it chooses to explore these characters. So yeah, I'm 682 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 4: I'm very excited for people to see this movie. And yeah, 683 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 4: thank you for taking time to speak to me. I 684 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 4: really appreciate it. 685 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 686 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 2: That's it for news. 687 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: On the next week's episodes of X Ray Vision, we're 688 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: preparing you for fantastic four First Steps and continue on 689 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: our coverage of Apple TV Plus's Foundation Season three. 690 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: That's it for the News, Thanks for listening. 691 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie 692 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 693 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Cole. 694 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 695 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 4: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag. 696 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 697 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman. 698 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 699 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 4: Heidi our discord moderator.