WEBVTT - Conversations On Tone (and Tone Deafness)

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<v Speaker 1>No, what's up, and welcome back to another episode. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, you gotta blame America.

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<v Speaker 2>Last for slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>And that sounds crazy, right when you really really think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, right, but you have to blame America last.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember America is just receiving stolen property or receiving slave property.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, they didn't orchestrate no version of slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really enslave people. I mean, forgive me because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a couple of natives, but that wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>The history model.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't institute it on a mass level in America

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<v Speaker 1>as much as they became receiving of theoretically stolen property.

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<v Speaker 1>So really, in reparations, the reparation conversation is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>greater than just America. So it makes sense that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>little Biden would go over there and do that bootshit

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<v Speaker 1>when he hasn't apologized to the actual people in America

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<v Speaker 1>for slavery him more is that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's just the funniest I mean, yeah, because you're

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<v Speaker 4>the one thousands, right, I mean chronologically, even if you

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<v Speaker 4>were to talk about like shares of time, you know

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<v Speaker 4>that's happened to the US flag, like the US. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't consider the US to like people will look at

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<v Speaker 4>seventeen seventy six, the country wasn't the country on its

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<v Speaker 4>own two feet until like eighty nine. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>just go like say the gap between that period the

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<v Speaker 4>start of civil wars about seventy years, the European portion

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<v Speaker 4>prior to that's like two hundred years or one hundred and.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty years or something like whatever it is, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more. Yeah, So it's like I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but yeah, there's a conglomerate of probably fifteen countries

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<v Speaker 4>maybe twice on the hook.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, everybody, everybody being everybody, America being last. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 5>for some reason, like the average person, I get it.

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<v Speaker 5>The emotions of it all again targets the country that

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<v Speaker 5>you saw then. But again, the first countries that would

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<v Speaker 5>be on the hook are the ones off the Ivory Coast,

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<v Speaker 5>the western African countries. They're on the hook first for

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<v Speaker 5>selling people off into slavery, right, selling humans. And then

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<v Speaker 5>the European countries that were trafficking the slaves, right, they

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<v Speaker 5>were trafficking like on the on the you on the ups.

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<v Speaker 1>Level right across the Atlantic and the trafficking to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the western you know, to the western world.

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<v Speaker 2>They're on the hook, right for sure, the Dutch. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>first thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Niggas want to do, run to the Netherlands and go

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<v Speaker 1>to the red light district. Like these people been down

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<v Speaker 1>with some bullshit against humanity for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean so you know, I wouldn't be surprised, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they they all, if all their prostitution is on

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<v Speaker 1>the books and the real life it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that's that's what the funniest.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I mean it is in general speak though,

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<v Speaker 4>because possession is like nine tests, who gets caught the

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<v Speaker 4>most the guy with with the crack, Yeah, that is true.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just this is kind of how it goes.

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<v Speaker 4>Last guy holding the bag gets caught with the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. True, that's normal though.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's that's that that standard that that that

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<v Speaker 1>don't require much intellect, right, that just standards.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally upset by that lazily that lazy intellectual stance that

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<v Speaker 1>most human beings have with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that apologize.

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<v Speaker 4>We're very sorry that you received the check that you

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<v Speaker 4>cashed and maybe didn't quite appropriately apply to research and development.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's give you some more money to make up for

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<v Speaker 3>the money that you already got.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, if that's right up his alley, though, that's

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<v Speaker 1>right up and shiden, what's crazy is man? That that's

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<v Speaker 1>right up they fucking alley. That's some ship that they would.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, even like for the people we took from Hearing Change.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that you bought.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but listen, somebody asked me about you the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, right, and I'm like, God, no, no, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't bad. It was a really great question. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling them because they thought you were really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, Peter is not a white person that

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he's black. And it's funny because we use the

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<v Speaker 1>correct words like you're not tone death completely, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of white folks in general in this country are

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<v Speaker 1>tone death right. They have no concept of tone. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a wigger like that ain't true. You're like

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<v Speaker 1>a regular, you know, Peter, you're a white man regular. God,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're aware you're not totally Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>The only people who ever called me that is white people?

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<v Speaker 2>What w word? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I never I never got that from you. I never

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<v Speaker 1>got that from you. I never in my life, God

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<v Speaker 1>that you were that you were like acting like a

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<v Speaker 1>brother like never in my life, never in mine. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do because I got homies like that that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they raised around the culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got that. But that's the difference. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>tone that, like you really get toned.

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<v Speaker 1>That don't mean you you know, you still see it

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<v Speaker 1>from very much your perspective based off information, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have a concept something is going on, and you're aware

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<v Speaker 1>of the tone happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, so I think that's the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you never ever came across as like somebody that's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be a brother. You just came across his

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<v Speaker 1>peak and you kind of got idea what's happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>you fuck with You fuck with a lot of different people,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're like, Okay, I see what they own, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I know what they own, you know what every body

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<v Speaker 1>on You know what they even if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>in depth what they plight is. I mean, you're aware,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not totally like the average white person. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't quite get it. What do you Why are you

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<v Speaker 1>to upset?

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<v Speaker 2>You would never say no shit like that you'll be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I get why you mad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you would say this is how you should

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<v Speaker 1>do address your anger, but you would never be totally oblivid,

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<v Speaker 1>totally oblivious to watch someone's upset type of person.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't aspire to be a piece of land so

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<v Speaker 4>much as I inspire to be a bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>And that no for real, and that that is really

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<v Speaker 1>the difference, you know what I mean. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's what made No Killing special. And as it's getting

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<v Speaker 1>better because people may hit me, especially over the last

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<v Speaker 1>four or five episodes, saying how crazy it's gotten, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Peter is like like Peter is more a

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<v Speaker 1>dominant space and then like I'm kind of finding a

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<v Speaker 1>place to really go deeper into thought. Right, So you

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<v Speaker 1>know it took time, but you're getting a richer podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you I mean, you're getting a richer podcast. And even

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<v Speaker 1>when we do extreme you know, Monday, Wednesday and Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a richer experience for the listener because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that we don't mind articulating, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or thoughts and caves thought the thought caves that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind going into.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think that like one thing that works

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<v Speaker 4>the best, like one of the most critical factors in

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<v Speaker 4>the way that, like our parent kind of operates or

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<v Speaker 4>or allows us to flourish. We're both just two people

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<v Speaker 4>that are independently very secure ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>You get some people who have like a hard wall

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<v Speaker 3>or they really.

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<v Speaker 4>In their content, they start to get cold, they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to try to they.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to investigate emotions past that wall. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it stops at because other than that, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to think they.

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<v Speaker 4>Want their image or their you know, theory or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>to be potent.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually compromised.

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<v Speaker 4>Miamiage is so fucking compromised it doesn't exist so that

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<v Speaker 4>that affords a certain amount of freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>An operation, no sellings JL, my brother Peter in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>digging in you know, I mean, going through some of

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<v Speaker 1>these thought caves.

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<v Speaker 4>And I do need to publicly apologize real quick for

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<v Speaker 4>my inability to convert a clock in my own brain

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<v Speaker 4>on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for the stream for them, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I don't know if everybody that listens

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast goes to the stream just yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are listening to the podcast and you

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<v Speaker 2>hear about the stream we do Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to YouTube, subscribe to Digital Soapbox, Digital Soapbox, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's where we do the stream Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>But we really don't do We don't do the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>to promote the stream. We do the stream to promote

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So I never was really as interested in and telling

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the guys who listen to the pot I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they're the same person like I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think people that So forgive me shout out to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who listens to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You are You are the more intelligent you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Person like you don't need to see pictures to get ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who do like we don't. We do

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<v Speaker 1>a real podcast. It ain't about the video portion. We've

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<v Speaker 1>never got it correct. I'm trying still, but and I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're missing out on a lot of opportunities because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a really great visual portion. But we

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<v Speaker 1>really focus on the conversation, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do the stream to bring people from YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>like that not as intelligent audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Forgive me anybody that's listening, but that.

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<v Speaker 4>Audience not as intelligent it's the content that's not as intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think so?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean like when we talk over there, we're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about less intelligent stuff. But because of the nature

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<v Speaker 4>of the visual distribution and stuff like that, it is

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<v Speaker 4>it requires less to consume. I don't think that's on

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<v Speaker 4>the audience. I think it's just on the nature of

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<v Speaker 4>the medium. It's not really us or them. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>sort of the intellectual price of entrance is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little lower over there YouTube.

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<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't mean that they don't have the money

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<v Speaker 4>to pay more intellectually to get in. And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>mean that we're providing sleazier shit. It's just the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that that's just how it works in the I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just think some people need to see pictures, sure, so,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to talk shit like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying they're not intelligent.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think when you can't visually put.

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<v Speaker 1>Together something in your mind, yeah, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>limited you're limiting the experience. What I'm saying, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to see the picture, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>book versus a movie like this, the podcast is the book,

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<v Speaker 1>the stream is the movie. I mean, and it's important

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<v Speaker 1>that we remember that even when we start to as

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<v Speaker 1>we move on to next season, because most likely I

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<v Speaker 1>think we'll be back for another season or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>extension is gonna be if we if we do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got to go to another level.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have to be real mindful.

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<v Speaker 1>That like, that's a movie, like and then we have

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<v Speaker 1>to get more mindful that this is a book like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>really pushing the envelope of who we have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as we start to grow into guests having definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>more intelligent base or an intelligent conversation with more intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>people that really could bring information because I think people

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<v Speaker 1>who listen or read things they want information versus the stream,

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<v Speaker 1>which should be more of a movie, more sensationalized, more

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<v Speaker 1>shiny lights, you know, glitter jazz hands yea, so like

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<v Speaker 1>even like the backgrounds and figuring out things to put

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<v Speaker 1>by behind us and small things to make it to where.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a production. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you think is that is that a

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<v Speaker 1>fair assessment people that read versus people that like audiobooks

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<v Speaker 1>versus people that read, Is there really a different.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know enough about how the human brain works

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<v Speaker 4>to answer that question the way I want to. That's

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<v Speaker 4>fair because there's certain like I when I read a book,

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<v Speaker 4>I read at the pace of conversation because I want

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to manipulate and apply all the information

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<v Speaker 4>as I take it in, which I do do more

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<v Speaker 4>easily when I listen to somebody that's audio.

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<v Speaker 2>So you kind of you starting to lean to audiobooks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've always preferred audio because I can hear like

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<v Speaker 4>if someone yeah, well not even I'm doing something else,

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<v Speaker 4>but I can listen to somebody talk about I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>like some say. It's something about like just basic principles

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<v Speaker 4>of like a technology, of what makes a technology market grow,

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<v Speaker 4>So something like that where I can I can't take

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<v Speaker 4>it in with my ears and apply it to current

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<v Speaker 4>scenarios and expand upon it in real time. When I'm reading,

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<v Speaker 4>I can do that, but I have to read slower

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<v Speaker 4>to do it, and which which lends me to just

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<v Speaker 4>simply reading at the rate that I talk. So when

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<v Speaker 4>I do read stuff like for pleasure, I it takes

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<v Speaker 4>me a long time to read stuff, but I get

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<v Speaker 4>more out of.

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<v Speaker 3>It than your average reader does.

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<v Speaker 4>When I talk to other people who have read the

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<v Speaker 4>same things, but they read it in a tenth of

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<v Speaker 4>the time, which you know stands to reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Great point, Like that's that's what I've been dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the anatomy of a story, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've read that book three times, not the complete cover

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<v Speaker 1>to cover, but just starting over to the point like

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<v Speaker 1>I like I told you, I wouldn't got.

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<v Speaker 2>A highlight it, but a couple ideas. I lose my

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<v Speaker 2>train of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So next year, definitely, I want to start doing films

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<v Speaker 1>like like.

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<v Speaker 2>How they used to do those old audio films. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that sounds weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they're like soundless. Yeah, they used to have like

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<v Speaker 3>radio shows, like they.

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<v Speaker 4>Were radio shows like a Little Orphan, any radio show

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<v Speaker 4>on World War two or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah I never saw that, but yeah the movie

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<v Speaker 2>The Christmas Story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like I want to do like audio I'm

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<v Speaker 1>calling them audio films even though that don't make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying I want to do stuff that targets

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<v Speaker 1>people like truckers, people that live their life on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I want to produce some of those next year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really important to me. I feel like everybody's chasing

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<v Speaker 2>one particular space.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it would be a cool spinoff thing real

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<v Speaker 4>quick from branding standpoint, because the shows no ceilings, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was sub genre of we'll call like audio films,

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<v Speaker 4>call it no cameras because it's Mike's only I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, but I want to do that next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think we just we need to really push

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<v Speaker 1>the boundaries, you know, even even even the thought of tone,

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<v Speaker 1>like like the tone definis and shit like that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get back to pushing the boundaries, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like we may have a slight

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<v Speaker 1>window where we could start to really do things that

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<v Speaker 1>challenge the status quote and everybody is not gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>every dime out of our bank account or put us

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<v Speaker 1>in prison, Like this may be the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Window we have. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I think this country is gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>through a big thing where it's gonna get very left

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be really wise if we start

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<v Speaker 1>pushing the boundaries and and just getting back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Before before I lose that train of thought, Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I be writing now, knows when you be talking

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm listening well, but no keeping a memory. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I don't think people are stupid. I think

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<v Speaker 1>people learn different. So when I say intellect, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the ability to process something right, So like a reader, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you could process what they're describing as a picture. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a level of intellect. But I don't think the person

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<v Speaker 1>that can't is stupid. I think they may need help

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<v Speaker 1>to process it. And that's why I think all different

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<v Speaker 1>mediums is important when it comes to teaching or inform it.

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<v Speaker 3>So like but that's my biggest beef with a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think maybe IQ tests are sort of an

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<v Speaker 4>attempt to sure cross that bridge. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>like testing and stuff is just really like your ability

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of retain and manage information, And there isn't

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<v Speaker 4>great testing on your ability to create information. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's what that to me separates like the men from

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<v Speaker 4>the boys.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the intellectual world of which I am a boy.

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<v Speaker 4>But observationally, it's like you can't really test for the unknown.

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<v Speaker 4>And like the real heavy hitters there, there aren't the

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<v Speaker 4>ones who don't need this or that to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to retain or take into the information. They're the ones

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<v Speaker 4>who can create new information out of the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can turn a house into the bricks that you

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<v Speaker 4>have or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>I said it backwards as I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's like still still is like that still is

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<v Speaker 1>a genius, right, but still also is like a wanderer. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>still is the kind of person to me intellectually is

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<v Speaker 1>he's not necessarily intelligence as he's really smart. Like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be telling steal some shit and He'll just wander somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else and I'll be like did but like as a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>right because I'm such a like I'm really starting to

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<v Speaker 1>understand my role.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Chris used Toart saying that, like last you like

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<v Speaker 2>a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I'm like I know how to rel him

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<v Speaker 1>back in come back, come back, because I'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about some ship and he was just yeah, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>was making a pot of other day in this pie

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<v Speaker 1>just about the pie. Hey cuz come back cause focus,

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<v Speaker 1>come back, come back. Hey hey right, stay right here

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<v Speaker 1>because listen to what I'm saying. I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>create from this.

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<v Speaker 2>Space because he'll just go into a space.

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<v Speaker 1>And like he like remember this shit, Uh what's the ship?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>The dude with the football head and he'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>callabastis and then he'll start just making some imaginary work. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold Bastes, and you say one word because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>trigger cuz to go like somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Intellect is really about managing that's a good point. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about managing information to some degree, and it's about managing.

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<v Speaker 2>Relationships like some homies like Pluck.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to deal with my homeboy Pluck, completely

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<v Speaker 1>different than I deal with but still then like Pluck

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<v Speaker 1>taught me, he showed me how to manage my relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with my little brother with k K Stam. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>like true intellect is is really the ability to receive

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<v Speaker 1>and manage sure with is smart is about how you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, exhale it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the win is so I think we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more witty people than we like, smart.

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<v Speaker 2>People than we have intelligent people.

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<v Speaker 1>Because even we said being educated, that's just getting information

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<v Speaker 1>and then being able to repeat it that specific information.

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<v Speaker 2>But then intellect is then ability to take that information.

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<v Speaker 1>And apply in being able to like I do that

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<v Speaker 1>really well, Like you could teach me the basics of

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<v Speaker 1>like war strategy on the battlefield and I can make

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<v Speaker 1>it work in basketball. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all right at.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's like the book I'm reading, and it's so

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<v Speaker 4>dry that it's just like.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to try to.

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<v Speaker 4>I fancy myself reading this book on the plane, but

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<v Speaker 4>when I get on the plane, I get tired and

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<v Speaker 4>it's so dry and thick a book that I read

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<v Speaker 4>it for like twenty minutes and fall asleep. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like barely encroaching into this book. But it's it's like

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<v Speaker 4>the art of military innovation and it's and it's a

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<v Speaker 4>case study of like the different information paradigm of like

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<v Speaker 4>the Israeli defense forces versus like VISA via the US

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<v Speaker 4>Army or other smaller armies that don't have resources, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>no limits, et cetera, et cetera, but you can as

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<v Speaker 4>it's happening. It's like, Okay, what this book is really

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<v Speaker 4>about is how do you foster an environment for appliable

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<v Speaker 4>creativity versus what other environments do.

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<v Speaker 3>Most people usually.

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<v Speaker 4>Default to that stifles it, you know, it just happens

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<v Speaker 4>to them about through that again.

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<v Speaker 2>Culture. Yeah, that's all it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what I was saying to somebody when

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<v Speaker 1>they keep asking me about hip hop culture and you

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<v Speaker 1>can explain it one million times. I could explain it

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<v Speaker 1>over and over man hip hop and street urban culture

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<v Speaker 1>personified through arts or the arts elements that these New

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<v Speaker 1>York guys established, and they'll start being like, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't got to be from somewhere specifically to do hip hop,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, that's not what I said. But they

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<v Speaker 1>can't help but go from one to two. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>help theirselves, right because again, like I always say this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it again. Low digs really talk that

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<v Speaker 1>the clinical definition of listening is to listen in right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what you said and ended. The clinical definition

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<v Speaker 1>of hearing is to acknowledge sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when.

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<v Speaker 1>People are hearing you, and women do this really well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like they'll hear you and they'll be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you said, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>So you just acknowledge me my voice in the tone

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<v Speaker 1>of what it makes you feel, not actually the words

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<v Speaker 1>and letters that And in.

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<v Speaker 3>That moment it's almost like, well it sounds like you said.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost like, well, the most I can make out

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<v Speaker 4>of what you said to serve how I want you

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<v Speaker 4>to serve.

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<v Speaker 3>What I wish you said is as follows.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe in that shit?

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to tone, like talking to people, like like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>if I yell at you, it could give off I

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<v Speaker 1>guess yelling is not just anger, right because like you

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<v Speaker 1>hung you saw me in where we just yelling and

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<v Speaker 1>it's excitements.

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<v Speaker 3>Yelling, and there's yeah angry yelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so again, but if you if you just reduce

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<v Speaker 1>it down to just anger, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you stuck, like if that's the only thing or because

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<v Speaker 1>yelling could also not be anger. It could be frustration.

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<v Speaker 1>Yelling could be an excitement. Yelling could be passionate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but immediately people just reduce the possibilities into whatever they

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<v Speaker 1>think the space is emotionally.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure and like obviously like the you know, the verbal

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<v Speaker 3>is what you could write down that I said.

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<v Speaker 4>The nonverbal is all the how I said it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so like nonverbal communication is its own world.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, it's most valuable.

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<v Speaker 4>You need, like you need to be perceptive of the

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<v Speaker 4>nonverbal when a person is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Being straight with the verbal.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm just being if my language is precise and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, covers the whole topic top to bottom, front

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<v Speaker 4>to back. It doesn't matter if I'm yelling at smiling

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<v Speaker 4>and mumbling it or murmuring it or whatever. I said

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what. You need to know what I mean, how

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it, and all the above. Like I have

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of friends, like like Lucius who was on

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<v Speaker 4>the podcast a while ago. The boxer my friend Will

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<v Speaker 4>keys out in a Z shot is one of my

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<v Speaker 4>best friends. We call him Billy, don't mind. He's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of got a reputation for like your partying, being a

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<v Speaker 4>player and stuff like that. But he's you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>like say social intelligence. If I needed to like take

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<v Speaker 4>two people into a room to negotiate with like Vladimir

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<v Speaker 4>Putin's underlings to stop those are the guys of all

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<v Speaker 4>the people that I know. Those guys hone in on

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<v Speaker 4>that when I went and I'm like, man, I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal with some dirty bitch. Hey LOUI, Hey Will, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you think is up with this sleazy you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like ship, Like what is this?

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<v Speaker 4>This is it that whatever they they're understanding of human

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 4>behavior is so thorough, you know, it's like completely like

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 4>you wouldn't probably think I needed like the highest level

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 4>thinker in human behavior. I can those are the two

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>guys I'm calling.

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<v Speaker 1>M M yeah, I'm that for people I'm not like

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm I think where I really shine it

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<v Speaker 1>as a person is like my the diplomacy. Yeah, I

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>have a unique sense of diplomacy versus most people I

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>know or that's in my circle workings, that's in my

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>uh my circle of the people I work with. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just think when it all comes down to it, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just harder to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even for me sometimes, because like people sometimes get

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<v Speaker 1>so lazy that I know what they're going to say,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and that is one of the worst feelings in the world.

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you talking to somebody and you know what they're

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>about to say, and you like, bro, like fuck man,

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Like you're not even listening to me. And as you

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>get older, you automatically just start to like disassociate yourself

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>from the conversation. You be like, all right, I don't

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 1>need to be talking. I get like that with my

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>own boys all the time, Like I'll say something. Prime example,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Snoop Dogg and Dre who dropped an

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>album right and call missionary. Make sure you're streaming now

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>shout out the dog. I'm always impressed greatest hip hop

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>artists of all time, Doctor Drede, the greatest hip hop

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>producer of all time. So my friends was talking and

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 1>they were telling me how displeased they were, particularly with

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<v Speaker 1>the album, and I'm like, well, they were like, last

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't think it's whack. I'm like, nah, I think

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's cool. It's like, got some good songs. I' gonna

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>play them again. There's some songs that I really am into.

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>With the songs, I'm a play, I'm a player.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Mikid and.

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I referenced it as a fried chicken salad with balsamic

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>vinegar red dressing right where the chronic is a pan

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of nigga ainc a lottas, you know, you know the

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>different with black soul inch a lottas. I call them

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>soul aci loattas or you know the difference. And Doggy

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>style is a plate of ground beef, freshly shredded cheese, lettuce, tomatoes,

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, sour cream, Louisiana hot sauce, fried taco shell,

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>fried tacos, sold tacos, nigga tacos.

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>We call them.

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>That's what Doggie style is it's a big six six

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 1>seven of them on a plate. That's what Dolly style is.

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's unbelievably great, you know, I mean, it's just

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>insanely great. And I say that to say what it

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>represents with those things represent health wise, with those things

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 1>represent when it comes to taste and flavor everything versus

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>where this out is a little bit like doctor Dre

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.360
<v Speaker 1>is really in a different place. And it all goes

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to that same conversation, and we keep having about culture,

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>whereas like hip hop is not music first, and so

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling problem a D and punum like our music

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>is not good. And immediately the emotions of what I'm

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>saying kicks in and I'm like, you know, I catch

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>it real if I said, listen before y'all start acting

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like that, Marvin Gaye's music is good, like you know,

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Frank Sinatra's music is good. Like right, Barry White's music

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>is good. Hip Hop leaves with culture. What we make

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>is a level of art culturally and then music. We

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>use music to do it. But again, hip hop pride

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>itself taking something, making something out of out of out

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>of minimum. Right, you take a couple of records, SAMPLEM

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and you put it together. That's not quite Barry White's

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>what is very right, you know Barry White with his orchestra.

0:28:57.840 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just little levels.

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>And so in me, the problem starts to reflect us, like, well,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you know you just saying that because Dre's using a

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of music, and I'm like, you don't have a

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of musicians in there. It's not a lot of instruments,

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>like if you listen to the music, So long story short,

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I tweet. So once I tell them what I think,

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I think it's think it's like three

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>out of five. Like I'm not mad at it. I

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>think that's cool for them, right, you know where they at,

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the NIGGAS is doing Olympics in the super Bowl.

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And so.

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I tweet after doing another stream shout out to the homeboys,

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Black Opinions Matter, that's the name of the stream, the podcast,

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm telling them what I think of the album.

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And so when I thought about it, I said something

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and then I tweeted it after it, right because I'm

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're thinking about the conversation you just had,

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>So I tweet, this is the best music Doctor Dre

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>has ever made, right, And so immediately the homies called

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 1>me like, man, you lying on Twitter. I'm like, why

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>am I lying? Like you're saying this is the best music.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yes, if you listen to the music.

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>It is sure right.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>That again, because people lazily associate records with music. They

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>lazily associate hip hop with music. Just lazy, right, And

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I get how it seems.

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I get the.

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>First thing you want to grab, you know what I'm saying,

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the first thing you want to grab, like the sun

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>feels the sun looks and feels like it's close. I

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>get that that's the natural thought. But you would think

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>human beings, would you know, put a little actual thought,

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>like let me read this, okay, glasses, what do you mean?

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It immediately goes into a space like and I'm like,

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.719
<v Speaker 1>this is some of the best music. And then I

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>start playing Tom Petty and I'm like, listen to this.

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>This is what Snoop is rapping to with drums like

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty is great music. Hip hop is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>about great music.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 4>What's interesting is this, This is such a perfect parallel

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 4>were saying a few minutes ago, R and B Rock

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<v Speaker 4>Roll whoever it is the composer that's the creator of information,

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 4>The hip hop producer is taking that and managing and

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 4>editing it, you know, like it's it's that kind of conversation.

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 4>So it might be more refined or it might be

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 4>more specified in its application, but it's not created in

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 4>the full totality of its original, of its originators intent,

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 4>because it's not expressing the same totality, you know, it's

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 4>it's expressing a different totality, you know, via an extraction.

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And again because music is art and going back to

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the comparison, right, like if I said, doggy Style is

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>a plate of Niga tacos, soul tacos, fried shells, ground beef,

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that is tomatose, freshly shredded cheese, sour cream, Louisiana hot

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>sauce right there, play the tin of the motherfuckers.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 2>The grease is everywhere. That is great to me.

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>But I wouldn't argue with someone that is better than

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>a side of taco, like a regular taco. That's not

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>an argument I would present. Sure better is preference, I wouldn't.

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>It can't be greater, obviously, right, because this taco has

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>impacted the world. Greatness is quantifiable, Like this taco, the

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>original taco has impacted the world.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>But in my life.

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Right this soul taco is the best thing going, and

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I would prefer it over on the side of taco,

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>even though I eat both all the time. That's the

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>same thing. It's like comparing hip hop to like Fleetwood Mac.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Like I can prefer the Blueprint more than I like

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Fleetwood Mac Groomers album. I can say it's better, that's

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>my preference, the better, but it's it's disingenuous or it's

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>ignorant to say it's greater than Fleetwood Max Rumor album

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>because Fleetwood's Max Rumor Album impacted bore people.

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that.

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 4>With regard to and again, like as as huge as

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 4>the Chronic became, I'm just gonna go out on a

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 4>limb and say that.

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 3>That it exceeded expectation.

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Remember hip hop hadn't hip hop never lived there commercially.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course, like they had, ll.

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Cool J had records, WODNI had records, Different run DMC

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>had records, you know, but it was rough to find

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>an album that had four or five songs that impacted

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>mainstream commercially like the Chronic had at that time. Remember

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>it was four songs is dre a I'm gonna, I'm

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Gonna let you Go, dre a g thang, let.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Me Ride, Ghetto Boy, Yeah Project.

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<v Speaker 4>And to me like that, I feel like musically like

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 4>there was a lot going on there. There was there

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 4>was culturally visually optically in the videos.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 6>Like musically, I feel like, yeah, like those songs hit

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 6>the crossover market differently than like some of the earlier

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 6>like one, oh, this is kind of cool with this

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 6>kind of novel.

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 3>They were like, oh, I am.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 4>Hearing this differently, sure, you know, but even still, And

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 4>it's in its conception of that album versus the actual

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 4>creation process of this one. One is attempting to provide

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 4>a great dining experience for a locale. The other is

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 4>attempting to provide a great dining experience for a diverse

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 4>tapestry that's enormous, which.

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Which again, the same thing happened to Aerosmith. Right. Aerosmith

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 2>is is like a rock man, hard rock man.

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 1>But as they grew up, and you know, their music

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>became more of like popular, right, and they became this

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>really big band.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, you fast forward.

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>To when the movie exactly like they had to make

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>a power ballad, right, and I'm watching the guys that

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I grew up listening to, right, the Dre's, the jay Z's,

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and the snoops. They're attempting to figure out the same thing.

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>How does that look like for hip hop artists? I mean,

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>how do they make a what's the name of that song?

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Aerosmith song? What I miss or I can't miss a thing,

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>or I don't want to miss it. I don't want

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to miss a thing. So, like hip hop is now

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to find its way into that pop space like

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>rock was able to do twenty years ago. I mean

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>because they had been around that long. So hip hop

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>is starting to try. So watching to watch Dre do it,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's different because hip hop

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>is something that leans on culture a lot more so

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>that journey is gonna be different than rock.

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Rock was culture, but it was always music.

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 1>It was always instruments and shit, So it was always

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 1>from the start, it wasn't done the way hip hop

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of got famous for, you know, Molly Maul taking

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 1>samples and making stuff. They were always playing instruments. So

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the journey is a little you know, it's a little simpler.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Our journey is different because we are supposed to take

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>parts it ain't supposed to be so clean and so

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>healthy and supposed to be kind of dirty and.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Culturally raunchy to something.

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I think to me, the best comp to Snoop and

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:47.240
<v Speaker 4>Dre and another genre is Metallica. You have a series

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 4>of platinum releases prior to the Black Album. The Black

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Album was the chronic and doggy style. It just went

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 4>to a place Mela too. That's funny, Yeah, they they

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 4>never the metal is a genre never aspired, you know.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 4>And then afterwards there's a big lull in time, and

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 4>then what do we get. We get a couple of

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 4>an album is the purest hate that no one really liked,

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 4>and then next thing you know, we're doing live at

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 4>the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra album.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, kind of things like.

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Did Metallica ever do it?

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Like Aerosmith to where they were able to transition into

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 1>US pop space and had these big power ballants like that.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 3>That was the Black Album, The Unforgiven.

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't wouldn't that be because like the aerosmith they had

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>those cuts that's the steroid hit and stuff early on, right.

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the Aerosmiths, like the song that sounded like stereoid

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 3>of Heaven like that.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that was like out of the Rapper. That

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 4>was like probably their first big hit late seventies, and

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 4>then they kind of had I would say, like their

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 4>heyday was like the eighties and then like around the

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 4>time where they were run Dncy. They intersected it at

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<v Speaker 4>their at both of their kind of primes. But I

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 4>think like they brought in this like Metallica after and

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 4>Justice for All, which was like.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 3>A metal heads metal album. Then the Black Album they

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<v Speaker 3>brought in market producers for that, so it was just

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<v Speaker 3>for two writers doing what they do and then this

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<v Speaker 3>this other team came in and made it more digestible,

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<v Speaker 3>so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would look like for them, right for Aerosmith and not

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<v Speaker 1>to cut you off. Toys in the Attic was the one.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know their album.

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<v Speaker 4>I was never the biggest Aerosmith's fan, but I know

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<v Speaker 4>their songs and I kind.

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Of knows has Sweet Emotions. Oh yeah, yeah, I.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Heard this album Sweet Emotion walked his Way.

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<v Speaker 1>You see me crying, right, So watching them in seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five life right, because Toys and the Attic is in

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>seventy five and then you know or whatever that song is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that but they went Diamond back then fuck yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That must have happened over the course of thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not but but I think, uh, I think

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then armagedd and the.

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<v Speaker 2>U let me see when or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so I guess I say that to say

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<v Speaker 1>that watching Snoop and Dre, you know, attempt to set

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the tone like that is unique, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are songs that are a little bit out

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>of my you know, like I can see how a

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>rock group, like a rock following could hear. You know,

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to miss a thing and be like

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't fucking with this Aerosmith, you know what I'm saying,

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like it's it's so much. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I listen to the music, I was telling him, like, yo,

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.319
<v Speaker 1>this is the best music he's made, Like just.

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<v Speaker 2>Play the instrumental, Like this shit is insane.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, if you listen to Geep Thing, Geep Thing,

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the instrumental ain't nowhere near close to this on a

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<v Speaker 1>musical level. Even when I listen to the next episode,

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>which is a great idea, it's nowhere near this new

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>shit on a musical level. But again, because hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>and the business of hip hop. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about music, it's about records and culture. So where he

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>lacks at today in culture because he's doctor Dre, that's

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, that got all his money and shit, and

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>he's been successful and he's been in the business for

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know forty years. You know, what I'm saying

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>is this version is a lot different. You know, he

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 1>don't carry as much culture at the age of sixty

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>as he did, you know, thirty years ago, and so

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 1>he don't carry as much of street urban culture as

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>he did then. So I can see why it wouldn't

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>necessarily transition over the next artists to the next generation

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 1>because it's not about the culture.

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 2>But then again, it's Snoop and Dre, who are two

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>pop icons.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind you, they did this super Bowl in the Olympics,

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Like this is again, this is what's happening, and what

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>happened to rock and roll is happening to hip hop

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>where they finally are accepting these these cultural giants into

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>like mainstream society, right and now their life is completely different.

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>So Snoop to me still is a is a cultural

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>phenomen like he refuses to let go even if he's

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>holding it. He's holding it, he understands and that's that's

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>that's what makes him the greatest hip hop artists ever.

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.359
<v Speaker 1>It's not about do you I think he rap better

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>than you know this person or blah blah. It's like

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>when you get what hip hop is as this cultural movement.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Nothing is like dog like we've never seen anything. The

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>closest is like ice tea. Like ice tea is like

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the closest thing to that. Too short is like that.

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>You can see Jay start to assimilate every day into mainstream.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like he's still a brother, but he is

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>definitely you know, moved past the concept of being who

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>he was from Marshen.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought his music kind of was always doing that,

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, and it's to some extent, there's kind of that,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, a line between like what's marketing opportunism for

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 4>lack of a better term or whatever, and what's like

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 4>acknowledging I have a larger restaurant now, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure everybody got something to either day.

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, and I think that's what Snoop and Dre

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.959
<v Speaker 2>were doing with you know again, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't I never came to mission everything, and I was

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna get doggy Stawn. It's called missionary. It's definitely a

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 1>lot less raunchy than Doggystawn. So I would imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>music would probably be a little more straight up and

0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>down and traditional.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe this time the double entendre, because the previous

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 4>double on tendre was where dogs and there's a sexual reference.

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 4>This time we got a sexual reference. But we're being

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 4>missionaries because we're taking this out abroad to an audience beyond.

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I'm thinking of another thing that it could mean.

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Also, they should promote missionary dressed like Mormons on bicycles.

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 4>We're bringing this to a country near you.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Cry.

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that that conversation didn't go overwhelmed, because it's like,

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's when I'm communicating with them,

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 1>if the tone got lost, Like it's like immediately I'm

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>offended that you think that I'm saying something different. I

0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>may be saying something that's intellectually challenging because it's like, oh,

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>like everything good, I don't have to like think love it.

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the normal confusion in most humans. Like

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I like it because it's good. No, I just like

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it or I just love it, like they're like McDonald's

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>is not big Max are not great. They were, but

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they're not today. But I love them like yo. And

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it's weird when the natural reaction of most humans is, well,

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>let's ask everybody else what they think. They don't know

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what the thing Like I I realized that's the job

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>of being a hip hop artist. Not only am like

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 1>being a hip hop artist, you're an elected delegate of

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a community, right so you're the representative, but it's also

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 1>up to you to hurt them. You have to heard

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>them where you want them to go. And I think Kendrick,

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>which is weird, I think he figured that out before me.

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I knew I had to represent, but I also

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize how much you have to.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Do that and heard. You have to heard the sheep

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<v Speaker 2>to where you want them to go.

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh definitely.

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 4>And like you said, you you know, view yourself as

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 4>a teacher like that, there's giving somebody a bunch of

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 4>information and hoping to hold on to it, and then

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 4>there's prodding somebody to think. You know, so like you

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of say it in the sense that like I'm

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna say it tight and in a way that hits

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 4>you wrong because I'm trying to catalyze you thinking through

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 4>this concept on your own, you know, as opposed to

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 4>me just telling it to you and half of it

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 4>going over your head or you not really engaging at

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 4>the appropriate level. I mean, if if you force somebody

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 4>to have to like combat what you're saying or push

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 4>back what you're saying, you force them to at that

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 4>point engage in the concept actively.

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 3>You know they're gonna get more out of it in

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 3>doing so.

0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's just hard because what do you say? What

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 2>do you say?

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 4>When?

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>What do you say?

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>When most people you know their trigger words, Like still

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I know some of Steel's trigger words, like if I.

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Say certain things, two of them.

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>If I say certain things, and they could be in

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>just conversation, not things you're saying to offend somebody, but

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like anything that I say specifically in this arena is

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>his brain shuts down and then immediately his heart comes up,

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's like that's not the goal. That is probably

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the hardest part of teaching, Like when you know that

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>somebody's trigger words, But now I have to be I

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>have to do a ton of extra work to try

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way around there.

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Versus say medium, well in front of steel even accidentally,

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 4>I think the volumes on medium, well, we should probably

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:52.200
<v Speaker 4>turn it up.

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh cook my stake.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to fags fags. I just don't get it.

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. Like, that's what I would like

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to accomplish with No Selings.

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember when we first started this journey and somebody

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>asked me, what would you like to accomplish with your podcast?

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>No Sinans, And I'm like, I would truly like to

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>get people to think. And I don't want them just

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to challenge public opinion. I want them to consider public opinion.

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I would like them to start thinking exactly

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:27.640
<v Speaker 1>what are people saying? I would I would like to

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>encourage people to listen, not to hear. That would be

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the goal of No Ceilings. Now that we're four seasons in,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, coming to the end of a fourth season.

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 1>If you're hearing my voice, my goal would be to

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>get you to listen more to humanity than hearing humanity.

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Now it is a fine line, because I do I

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>come across a bit robotic because people I listen so

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.919
<v Speaker 1>much and I don't hear often enough. But I think

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it would benefit your life if you listened to humanity

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like listen, Listen to your girl, listen to your God,

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Listen to them. Don't think you're hearing them, because hearing

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>can cause a different conversation I'm saying, but listening can.

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 1>It could really help you in your life. I think

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>most of you guys have hearing down to a science.

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>But listening is something that I think most humanity can

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>really benefit from.

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Or even the No Selings listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Good looking out for tuning in to the No Sillers podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, commentist share. This

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