Speaker 1: No, what's up, and welcome back to another episode. It's
Speaker 1: you think about it, you gotta blame America.
Speaker 2: Last for slavery.
Speaker 1: And that sounds crazy, right when you really really think
Speaker 1: about it, right, but you have to blame America last.
Speaker 1: Remember America is just receiving stolen property or receiving slave property.
Speaker 1: They were like, they didn't orchestrate no version of slavery.
Speaker 1: They didn't really enslave people. I mean, forgive me because
Speaker 1: there was a couple of natives, but that wasn't.
Speaker 3: The history model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't institute it on a mass level in America
Speaker 1: as much as they became receiving of theoretically stolen property.
Speaker 1: So really, in reparations, the reparation conversation is a lot
Speaker 1: greater than just America. So it makes sense that you know,
Speaker 1: little Biden would go over there and do that bootshit
Speaker 1: when he hasn't apologized to the actual people in America
Speaker 1: for slavery him more is that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just the funniest I mean, yeah, because you're
Speaker 4: the one thousands, right, I mean chronologically, even if you
Speaker 4: were to talk about like shares of time, you know
Speaker 4: that's happened to the US flag, like the US. I
Speaker 4: don't consider the US to like people will look at
Speaker 4: seventeen seventy six, the country wasn't the country on its
Speaker 4: own two feet until like eighty nine. So if you
Speaker 4: just go like say the gap between that period the
Speaker 4: start of civil wars about seventy years, the European portion
Speaker 4: prior to that's like two hundred years or one hundred and.
Speaker 3: Eighty years or something like whatever it is, it's a
Speaker 3: lot more. Yeah, So it's like I don't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, there's a conglomerate of probably fifteen countries
Speaker 4: maybe twice on the hook.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody, everybody being everybody, America being last. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: for some reason, like the average person, I get it.
Speaker 5: The emotions of it all again targets the country that
Speaker 5: you saw then. But again, the first countries that would
Speaker 5: be on the hook are the ones off the Ivory Coast,
Speaker 5: the western African countries. They're on the hook first for
Speaker 5: selling people off into slavery, right, selling humans. And then
Speaker 5: the European countries that were trafficking the slaves, right, they
Speaker 5: were trafficking like on the on the you on the ups.
Speaker 1: Level right across the Atlantic and the trafficking to the
Speaker 1: to the western you know, to the western world.
Speaker 2: They're on the hook, right for sure, the Dutch. You know,
Speaker 2: first thing.
Speaker 1: Niggas want to do, run to the Netherlands and go
Speaker 1: to the red light district. Like these people been down
Speaker 1: with some bullshit against humanity for a long time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean so you know, I wouldn't be surprised, you know,
Speaker 1: if they they all, if all their prostitution is on
Speaker 1: the books and the real life it.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 3: It's just that's that's what the funniest.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean it is in general speak though,
Speaker 4: because possession is like nine tests, who gets caught the
Speaker 4: most the guy with with the crack, Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 4: So it's just this is kind of how it goes.
Speaker 4: Last guy holding the bag gets caught with the bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. True, that's normal though.
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's that that standard that that that
Speaker 1: don't require much intellect, right, that just standards.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 1: Totally upset by that lazily that lazy intellectual stance that
Speaker 1: most human beings have with that.
Speaker 3: So that apologize.
Speaker 4: We're very sorry that you received the check that you
Speaker 4: cashed and maybe didn't quite appropriately apply to research and development.
Speaker 3: Let's give you some more money to make up for
Speaker 3: the money that you already got.
Speaker 1: Oh man, if that's right up his alley, though, that's
Speaker 1: right up and shiden, what's crazy is man? That that's
Speaker 1: right up they fucking alley. That's some ship that they would.
Speaker 3: Do, even like for the people we took from Hearing Change.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you bought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but listen, somebody asked me about you the
Speaker 1: other day, right, and I'm like, God, no, no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. It was a really great question. And I
Speaker 1: was telling them because they thought you were really cool.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Peter is not a white person that
Speaker 1: thinks he's black. And it's funny because we use the
Speaker 1: correct words like you're not tone death completely, and a
Speaker 1: lot of white folks in general in this country are
Speaker 1: tone death right. They have no concept of tone. So
Speaker 1: you're not a wigger like that ain't true. You're like
Speaker 1: a regular, you know, Peter, you're a white man regular. God,
Speaker 1: but you're aware you're not totally Huh.
Speaker 3: The only people who ever called me that is white people?
Speaker 2: What w word? Oh?
Speaker 1: I never I never got that from you. I never
Speaker 1: got that from you. I never in my life, God
Speaker 1: that you were that you were like acting like a
Speaker 1: brother like never in my life, never in mine. I know,
Speaker 1: and I do because I got homies like that that
Speaker 1: you know, they raised around the culture.
Speaker 2: I never got that. But that's the difference. You're not
Speaker 2: tone that, like you really get toned.
Speaker 1: That don't mean you you know, you still see it
Speaker 1: from very much your perspective based off information, but you
Speaker 1: have a concept something is going on, and you're aware
Speaker 1: of the tone happening.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so I think that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Like you never ever came across as like somebody that's
Speaker 1: trying to be a brother. You just came across his
Speaker 1: peak and you kind of got idea what's happening, and
Speaker 1: you fuck with You fuck with a lot of different people,
Speaker 1: so you're like, Okay, I see what they own, Like
Speaker 1: I know what they own, you know what every body
Speaker 1: on You know what they even if you don't know
Speaker 1: in depth what they plight is. I mean, you're aware,
Speaker 1: you're not totally like the average white person. But I
Speaker 1: don't quite get it. What do you Why are you
Speaker 1: to upset?
Speaker 2: You would never say no shit like that you'll be like,
Speaker 2: I get why you mad.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would say this is how you should
Speaker 1: do address your anger, but you would never be totally oblivid,
Speaker 1: totally oblivious to watch someone's upset type of person.
Speaker 4: I don't aspire to be a piece of land so
Speaker 4: much as I inspire to be a bridge.
Speaker 1: And that no for real, and that that is really
Speaker 1: the difference, you know what I mean. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what made No Killing special. And as it's getting
Speaker 1: better because people may hit me, especially over the last
Speaker 1: four or five episodes, saying how crazy it's gotten, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I think Peter is like like Peter is more a
Speaker 1: dominant space and then like I'm kind of finding a
Speaker 1: place to really go deeper into thought. Right, So you
Speaker 1: know it took time, but you're getting a richer podcast,
Speaker 1: you I mean, you're getting a richer podcast. And even
Speaker 1: when we do extreme you know, Monday, Wednesday and Friday,
Speaker 1: like it's a richer experience for the listener because it's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we don't mind articulating, you know,
Speaker 1: or thoughts and caves thought the thought caves that we
Speaker 1: don't mind going into.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that like one thing that works
Speaker 4: the best, like one of the most critical factors in
Speaker 4: the way that, like our parent kind of operates or
Speaker 4: or allows us to flourish. We're both just two people
Speaker 4: that are independently very secure ourselves.
Speaker 2: Sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You get some people who have like a hard wall
Speaker 3: or they really.
Speaker 4: In their content, they start to get cold, they're going
Speaker 4: to try to they.
Speaker 1: Don't want to investigate emotions past that wall. So this
Speaker 1: is where it stops at because other than that, I
Speaker 1: have to think they.
Speaker 4: Want their image or their you know, theory or whatever
Speaker 4: to be potent.
Speaker 3: Actually compromised.
Speaker 4: Miamiage is so fucking compromised it doesn't exist so that
Speaker 4: that affords a certain amount of freedom.
Speaker 1: An operation, no sellings JL, my brother Peter in the house,
Speaker 1: digging in you know, I mean, going through some of
Speaker 1: these thought caves.
Speaker 4: And I do need to publicly apologize real quick for
Speaker 4: my inability to convert a clock in my own brain
Speaker 4: on Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh for the stream for them, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if everybody that listens
Speaker 1: to the podcast goes to the stream just yet.
Speaker 2: So if you are listening to the podcast and you
Speaker 2: hear about the stream we do Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
Speaker 2: Go to YouTube, subscribe to Digital Soapbox, Digital Soapbox, and
Speaker 2: that's where we do the stream Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
Speaker 2: But we really don't do We don't do the podcast
Speaker 2: to promote the stream. We do the stream to promote
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 1: So I never was really as interested in and telling
Speaker 1: you know, the guys who listen to the pot I
Speaker 1: don't think they're the same person like I think I
Speaker 1: think people that So forgive me shout out to everybody
Speaker 1: who listens to the podcast.
Speaker 2: You are You are the more intelligent you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Person like you don't need to see pictures to get ideas,
Speaker 1: you know, people who do like we don't. We do
Speaker 1: a real podcast. It ain't about the video portion. We've
Speaker 1: never got it correct. I'm trying still, but and I
Speaker 1: know we're missing out on a lot of opportunities because
Speaker 1: we don't have a really great visual portion. But we
Speaker 1: really focus on the conversation, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we do the stream to bring people from YouTube
Speaker 1: like that not as intelligent audience.
Speaker 2: Forgive me anybody that's listening, but that.
Speaker 4: Audience not as intelligent it's the content that's not as intelligent.
Speaker 2: Do you think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't mean like when we talk over there, we're
Speaker 4: talking about less intelligent stuff. But because of the nature
Speaker 4: of the visual distribution and stuff like that, it is
Speaker 4: it requires less to consume. I don't think that's on
Speaker 4: the audience. I think it's just on the nature of
Speaker 4: the medium. It's not really us or them. It's just
Speaker 4: sort of the intellectual price of entrance is a.
Speaker 3: Little lower over there YouTube.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean that they don't have the money
Speaker 4: to pay more intellectually to get in. And it doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that we're providing sleazier shit. It's just the fact
Speaker 4: that that's just how it works in the I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Just think some people need to see pictures, sure, so,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to talk shit like, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they're not intelligent.
Speaker 2: I just think when you can't visually put.
Speaker 1: Together something in your mind, yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: limited you're limiting the experience. What I'm saying, it's like
Speaker 1: if you need to see the picture, it's like a
Speaker 1: book versus a movie like this, the podcast is the book,
Speaker 1: the stream is the movie. I mean, and it's important
Speaker 1: that we remember that even when we start to as
Speaker 1: we move on to next season, because most likely I
Speaker 1: think we'll be back for another season or whatever the
Speaker 1: extension is gonna be if we if we do it,
Speaker 1: and it's got to go to another level.
Speaker 2: So I have to be real mindful.
Speaker 1: That like, that's a movie, like and then we have
Speaker 1: to get more mindful that this is a book like, oh,
Speaker 1: really pushing the envelope of who we have, you know,
Speaker 1: as we start to grow into guests having definitely a
Speaker 1: more intelligent base or an intelligent conversation with more intelligent
Speaker 1: people that really could bring information because I think people
Speaker 1: who listen or read things they want information versus the stream,
Speaker 1: which should be more of a movie, more sensationalized, more
Speaker 1: shiny lights, you know, glitter jazz hands yea, so like
Speaker 1: even like the backgrounds and figuring out things to put
Speaker 1: by behind us and small things to make it to where.
Speaker 2: It's a production. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you do you think is that is that a
Speaker 1: fair assessment people that read versus people that like audiobooks
Speaker 1: versus people that read, Is there really a different.
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about how the human brain works
Speaker 4: to answer that question the way I want to. That's
Speaker 4: fair because there's certain like I when I read a book,
Speaker 4: I read at the pace of conversation because I want
Speaker 4: to be able to manipulate and apply all the information
Speaker 4: as I take it in, which I do do more
Speaker 4: easily when I listen to somebody that's audio.
Speaker 2: So you kind of you starting to lean to audiobooks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always preferred audio because I can hear like
Speaker 4: if someone yeah, well not even I'm doing something else,
Speaker 4: but I can listen to somebody talk about I don't know,
Speaker 4: like some say. It's something about like just basic principles
Speaker 4: of like a technology, of what makes a technology market grow,
Speaker 4: So something like that where I can I can't take
Speaker 4: it in with my ears and apply it to current
Speaker 4: scenarios and expand upon it in real time. When I'm reading,
Speaker 4: I can do that, but I have to read slower
Speaker 4: to do it, and which which lends me to just
Speaker 4: simply reading at the rate that I talk. So when
Speaker 4: I do read stuff like for pleasure, I it takes
Speaker 4: me a long time to read stuff, but I get
Speaker 4: more out of.
Speaker 3: It than your average reader does.
Speaker 4: When I talk to other people who have read the
Speaker 4: same things, but they read it in a tenth of
Speaker 4: the time, which you know stands to reason.
Speaker 1: Great point, Like that's that's what I've been dealing with
Speaker 1: when it comes to the anatomy of a story, Like
Speaker 1: I've read that book three times, not the complete cover
Speaker 1: to cover, but just starting over to the point like
Speaker 1: I like I told you, I wouldn't got.
Speaker 2: A highlight it, but a couple ideas. I lose my
Speaker 2: train of thought.
Speaker 1: So next year, definitely, I want to start doing films
Speaker 1: like like.
Speaker 2: How they used to do those old audio films. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds weird.
Speaker 3: Because they're like soundless. Yeah, they used to have like
Speaker 3: radio shows, like they.
Speaker 4: Were radio shows like a Little Orphan, any radio show
Speaker 4: on World War two or whatever.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah I never saw that, but yeah the movie
Speaker 2: The Christmas Story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I want to do like audio I'm
Speaker 1: calling them audio films even though that don't make sense,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying I want to do stuff that targets
Speaker 1: people like truckers, people that live their life on the road,
Speaker 1: Like I want to produce some of those next year.
Speaker 2: That's really important to me. I feel like everybody's chasing
Speaker 2: one particular space.
Speaker 4: I think it would be a cool spinoff thing real
Speaker 4: quick from branding standpoint, because the shows no ceilings, but
Speaker 4: it was sub genre of we'll call like audio films,
Speaker 4: call it no cameras because it's Mike's only I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that, but I want to do that next year.
Speaker 1: Like I think we just we need to really push
Speaker 1: the boundaries, you know, even even even the thought of tone,
Speaker 1: like like the tone definis and shit like that, Like
Speaker 1: we need to get back to pushing the boundaries, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we may have a slight
Speaker 1: window where we could start to really do things that
Speaker 1: challenge the status quote and everybody is not gonna take
Speaker 1: every dime out of our bank account or put us
Speaker 1: in prison, Like this may be the last.
Speaker 2: Window we have. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think this country is gonna go
Speaker 1: through a big thing where it's gonna get very left
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I think it would be really wise if we start
Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries and and just getting back to it.
Speaker 2: And what you were saying.
Speaker 1: Before before I lose that train of thought, Like that's
Speaker 1: why I be writing now, knows when you be talking
Speaker 1: because I'm listening well, but no keeping a memory. But
Speaker 1: that's why I don't think people are stupid. I think
Speaker 1: people learn different. So when I say intellect, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the ability to process something right, So like a reader, right,
Speaker 1: you could process what they're describing as a picture. That's
Speaker 1: a level of intellect. But I don't think the person
Speaker 1: that can't is stupid. I think they may need help
Speaker 1: to process it. And that's why I think all different
Speaker 1: mediums is important when it comes to teaching or inform it.
Speaker 3: So like but that's my biggest beef with a lot of.
Speaker 4: And I think maybe IQ tests are sort of an
Speaker 4: attempt to sure cross that bridge. But a lot of
Speaker 4: like testing and stuff is just really like your ability
Speaker 4: to kind of retain and manage information, And there isn't
Speaker 4: great testing on your ability to create information. And that's
Speaker 4: that's what that to me separates like the men from
Speaker 4: the boys.
Speaker 3: And like the intellectual world of which I am a boy.
Speaker 4: But observationally, it's like you can't really test for the unknown.
Speaker 4: And like the real heavy hitters there, there aren't the
Speaker 4: ones who don't need this or that to be able
Speaker 4: to retain or take into the information. They're the ones
Speaker 4: who can create new information out of the you know,
Speaker 4: you can turn a house into the bricks that you
Speaker 4: have or whatever.
Speaker 6: I said it backwards as I get it.
Speaker 1: But that's like still still is like that still is
Speaker 1: a genius, right, but still also is like a wanderer. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: still is the kind of person to me intellectually is
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily intelligence as he's really smart. Like I'll
Speaker 1: be telling steal some shit and He'll just wander somewhere
Speaker 1: else and I'll be like did but like as a teacher,
Speaker 1: right because I'm such a like I'm really starting to
Speaker 1: understand my role.
Speaker 2: Like Chris used Toart saying that, like last you like
Speaker 2: a teacher.
Speaker 1: But like I'm like I know how to rel him
Speaker 1: back in come back, come back, because I'll be talking
Speaker 1: about some ship and he was just yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: was making a pot of other day in this pie
Speaker 1: just about the pie. Hey cuz come back cause focus,
Speaker 1: come back, come back. Hey hey right, stay right here
Speaker 1: because listen to what I'm saying. I need you to
Speaker 1: create from this.
Speaker 2: Space because he'll just go into a space.
Speaker 1: And like he like remember this shit, Uh what's the ship?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: The dude with the football head and he'd be like
Speaker 1: callabastis and then he'll start just making some imaginary work. Hey,
Speaker 1: Arnold Bastes, and you say one word because it's a
Speaker 1: trigger cuz to go like somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: Intellect is really about managing that's a good point. It's
Speaker 1: about managing information to some degree, and it's about managing.
Speaker 2: Relationships like some homies like Pluck.
Speaker 1: I know how to deal with my homeboy Pluck, completely
Speaker 1: different than I deal with but still then like Pluck
Speaker 1: taught me, he showed me how to manage my relationship
Speaker 1: with my little brother with k K Stam. So again,
Speaker 1: like true intellect is is really the ability to receive
Speaker 1: and manage sure with is smart is about how you
Speaker 1: you know, exhale it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because the win is so I think we have a
Speaker 1: lot more witty people than we like, smart.
Speaker 2: People than we have intelligent people.
Speaker 1: Because even we said being educated, that's just getting information
Speaker 1: and then being able to repeat it that specific information.
Speaker 2: But then intellect is then ability to take that information.
Speaker 1: And apply in being able to like I do that
Speaker 1: really well, Like you could teach me the basics of
Speaker 1: like war strategy on the battlefield and I can make
Speaker 1: it work in basketball. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 1: all right at.
Speaker 4: That's that's like the book I'm reading, and it's so
Speaker 4: dry that it's just like.
Speaker 3: I like to try to.
Speaker 4: I fancy myself reading this book on the plane, but
Speaker 4: when I get on the plane, I get tired and
Speaker 4: it's so dry and thick a book that I read
Speaker 4: it for like twenty minutes and fall asleep. So I'm
Speaker 4: like barely encroaching into this book. But it's it's like
Speaker 4: the art of military innovation and it's and it's a
Speaker 4: case study of like the different information paradigm of like
Speaker 4: the Israeli defense forces versus like VISA via the US
Speaker 4: Army or other smaller armies that don't have resources, you know,
Speaker 4: no limits, et cetera, et cetera, but you can as
Speaker 4: it's happening. It's like, Okay, what this book is really
Speaker 4: about is how do you foster an environment for appliable
Speaker 4: creativity versus what other environments do.
Speaker 3: Most people usually.
Speaker 4: Default to that stifles it, you know, it just happens
Speaker 4: to them about through that again.
Speaker 2: Culture. Yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 1: And this is what I was saying to somebody when
Speaker 1: they keep asking me about hip hop culture and you
Speaker 1: can explain it one million times. I could explain it
Speaker 1: over and over man hip hop and street urban culture
Speaker 1: personified through arts or the arts elements that these New
Speaker 1: York guys established, and they'll start being like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't got to be from somewhere specifically to do hip hop,
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's not what I said. But they
Speaker 1: can't help but go from one to two. They can't
Speaker 1: help theirselves, right because again, like I always say this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again. Low digs really talk that
Speaker 1: the clinical definition of listening is to listen in right,
Speaker 1: So that's what you said and ended. The clinical definition
Speaker 1: of hearing is to acknowledge sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when.
Speaker 1: People are hearing you, and women do this really well,
Speaker 1: it's like they'll hear you and they'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you said, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So you just acknowledge me my voice in the tone
Speaker 1: of what it makes you feel, not actually the words
Speaker 1: and letters that And in.
Speaker 3: That moment it's almost like, well it sounds like you said.
Speaker 4: It's almost like, well, the most I can make out
Speaker 4: of what you said to serve how I want you
Speaker 4: to serve.
Speaker 3: What I wish you said is as follows.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in that shit?
Speaker 1: When it comes to tone, like talking to people, like like, obviously,
Speaker 1: if I yell at you, it could give off I
Speaker 1: guess yelling is not just anger, right because like you
Speaker 1: hung you saw me in where we just yelling and
Speaker 1: it's excitements.
Speaker 3: Yelling, and there's yeah angry yelling.
Speaker 1: Yeah so again, but if you if you just reduce
Speaker 1: it down to just anger, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you stuck, like if that's the only thing or because
Speaker 1: yelling could also not be anger. It could be frustration.
Speaker 1: Yelling could be an excitement. Yelling could be passionate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but immediately people just reduce the possibilities into whatever they
Speaker 1: think the space is emotionally.
Speaker 3: Sure and like obviously like the you know, the verbal
Speaker 3: is what you could write down that I said.
Speaker 4: The nonverbal is all the how I said it, you know,
Speaker 4: so like nonverbal communication is its own world.
Speaker 3: To me, it's most valuable.
Speaker 4: You need, like you need to be perceptive of the
Speaker 4: nonverbal when a person is not.
Speaker 3: Being straight with the verbal.
Speaker 4: If I'm just being if my language is precise and
Speaker 4: you know, covers the whole topic top to bottom, front
Speaker 4: to back. It doesn't matter if I'm yelling at smiling
Speaker 4: and mumbling it or murmuring it or whatever. I said
Speaker 4: exactly what. You need to know what I mean, how
Speaker 4: I mean it, and all the above. Like I have
Speaker 4: a couple of friends, like like Lucius who was on
Speaker 4: the podcast a while ago. The boxer my friend Will
Speaker 4: keys out in a Z shot is one of my
Speaker 4: best friends. We call him Billy, don't mind. He's kind
Speaker 4: of got a reputation for like your partying, being a
Speaker 4: player and stuff like that. But he's you know, people
Speaker 4: like say social intelligence. If I needed to like take
Speaker 4: two people into a room to negotiate with like Vladimir
Speaker 4: Putin's underlings to stop those are the guys of all
Speaker 4: the people that I know. Those guys hone in on
Speaker 4: that when I went and I'm like, man, I can.
Speaker 3: Deal with some dirty bitch. Hey LOUI, Hey Will, what
Speaker 3: are you think is up with this sleazy you know,
Speaker 3: like ship, Like what is this?
Speaker 4: This is it that whatever they they're understanding of human
Speaker 4: behavior is so thorough, you know, it's like completely like
Speaker 4: you wouldn't probably think I needed like the highest level
Speaker 4: thinker in human behavior. I can those are the two
Speaker 4: guys I'm calling.
Speaker 1: M M yeah, I'm that for people I'm not like
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think where I really shine it
Speaker 1: as a person is like my the diplomacy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a unique sense of diplomacy versus most people I
Speaker 1: know or that's in my circle workings, that's in my
Speaker 1: uh my circle of the people I work with. But
Speaker 1: I just think when it all comes down to it, it's.
Speaker 2: Just harder to listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even for me sometimes, because like people sometimes get
Speaker 1: so lazy that I know what they're going to say,
Speaker 1: and that is one of the worst feelings in the world.
Speaker 1: Like you talking to somebody and you know what they're
Speaker 1: about to say, and you like, bro, like fuck man,
Speaker 1: Like you're not even listening to me. And as you
Speaker 1: get older, you automatically just start to like disassociate yourself
Speaker 1: from the conversation. You be like, all right, I don't
Speaker 1: need to be talking. I get like that with my
Speaker 1: own boys all the time, Like I'll say something. Prime example,
Speaker 1: shout out to Snoop Dogg and Dre who dropped an
Speaker 1: album right and call missionary. Make sure you're streaming now
Speaker 1: shout out the dog. I'm always impressed greatest hip hop
Speaker 1: artists of all time, Doctor Drede, the greatest hip hop
Speaker 1: producer of all time. So my friends was talking and
Speaker 1: they were telling me how displeased they were, particularly with
Speaker 1: the album, and I'm like, well, they were like, last
Speaker 1: you don't think it's whack. I'm like, nah, I think
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's like, got some good songs. I' gonna
Speaker 1: play them again. There's some songs that I really am into.
Speaker 1: With the songs, I'm a play, I'm a player.
Speaker 2: Mikid and.
Speaker 1: I referenced it as a fried chicken salad with balsamic
Speaker 1: vinegar red dressing right where the chronic is a pan
Speaker 1: of nigga ainc a lottas, you know, you know the
Speaker 1: different with black soul inch a lottas. I call them
Speaker 1: soul aci loattas or you know the difference. And Doggy
Speaker 1: style is a plate of ground beef, freshly shredded cheese, lettuce, tomatoes,
Speaker 1: you know, sour cream, Louisiana hot sauce, fried taco shell,
Speaker 1: fried tacos, sold tacos, nigga tacos.
Speaker 2: We call them.
Speaker 1: That's what Doggie style is it's a big six six
Speaker 1: seven of them on a plate. That's what Dolly style is.
Speaker 1: And it's unbelievably great, you know, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: insanely great. And I say that to say what it
Speaker 1: represents with those things represent health wise, with those things
Speaker 1: represent when it comes to taste and flavor everything versus
Speaker 1: where this out is a little bit like doctor Dre
Speaker 1: is really in a different place. And it all goes
Speaker 1: to that same conversation, and we keep having about culture,
Speaker 1: whereas like hip hop is not music first, and so
Speaker 1: I'm telling problem a D and punum like our music
Speaker 1: is not good. And immediately the emotions of what I'm
Speaker 1: saying kicks in and I'm like, you know, I catch
Speaker 1: it real if I said, listen before y'all start acting
Speaker 1: like that, Marvin Gaye's music is good, like you know,
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra's music is good. Like right, Barry White's music
Speaker 1: is good. Hip Hop leaves with culture. What we make
Speaker 1: is a level of art culturally and then music. We
Speaker 1: use music to do it. But again, hip hop pride
Speaker 1: itself taking something, making something out of out of out
Speaker 1: of minimum. Right, you take a couple of records, SAMPLEM
Speaker 1: and you put it together. That's not quite Barry White's
Speaker 1: what is very right, you know Barry White with his orchestra.
Speaker 2: It's just little levels.
Speaker 1: And so in me, the problem starts to reflect us, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know you just saying that because Dre's using a
Speaker 1: lot of music, and I'm like, you don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of musicians in there. It's not a lot of instruments,
Speaker 1: like if you listen to the music, So long story short,
Speaker 1: I tweet. So once I tell them what I think,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I think it's think it's like three
Speaker 1: out of five. Like I'm not mad at it. I
Speaker 1: think that's cool for them, right, you know where they at,
Speaker 1: the NIGGAS is doing Olympics in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: I tweet after doing another stream shout out to the homeboys,
Speaker 1: Black Opinions Matter, that's the name of the stream, the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling them what I think of the album.
Speaker 1: And so when I thought about it, I said something
Speaker 1: and then I tweeted it after it, right because I'm
Speaker 1: you know, you're thinking about the conversation you just had,
Speaker 1: So I tweet, this is the best music Doctor Dre
Speaker 1: has ever made, right, And so immediately the homies called
Speaker 1: me like, man, you lying on Twitter. I'm like, why
Speaker 1: am I lying? Like you're saying this is the best music.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, if you listen to the music.
Speaker 2: It is sure right.
Speaker 1: That again, because people lazily associate records with music. They
Speaker 1: lazily associate hip hop with music. Just lazy, right, And
Speaker 1: I get how it seems.
Speaker 2: I get the.
Speaker 1: First thing you want to grab, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the first thing you want to grab, like the sun
Speaker 1: feels the sun looks and feels like it's close. I
Speaker 1: get that that's the natural thought. But you would think
Speaker 1: human beings, would you know, put a little actual thought,
Speaker 1: like let me read this, okay, glasses, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: It immediately goes into a space like and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is some of the best music. And then I
Speaker 1: start playing Tom Petty and I'm like, listen to this.
Speaker 1: This is what Snoop is rapping to with drums like
Speaker 1: Tom Petty is great music. Hip hop is not necessarily
Speaker 1: about great music.
Speaker 4: What's interesting is this, This is such a perfect parallel
Speaker 4: were saying a few minutes ago, R and B Rock
Speaker 4: Roll whoever it is the composer that's the creator of information,
Speaker 4: The hip hop producer is taking that and managing and
Speaker 4: editing it, you know, like it's it's that kind of conversation.
Speaker 4: So it might be more refined or it might be
Speaker 4: more specified in its application, but it's not created in
Speaker 4: the full totality of its original, of its originators intent,
Speaker 4: because it's not expressing the same totality, you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's expressing a different totality, you know, via an extraction.
Speaker 1: And again because music is art and going back to
Speaker 1: the comparison, right, like if I said, doggy Style is
Speaker 1: a plate of Niga tacos, soul tacos, fried shells, ground beef,
Speaker 1: that is tomatose, freshly shredded cheese, sour cream, Louisiana hot
Speaker 1: sauce right there, play the tin of the motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: The grease is everywhere. That is great to me.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't argue with someone that is better than
Speaker 1: a side of taco, like a regular taco. That's not
Speaker 1: an argument I would present. Sure better is preference, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It can't be greater, obviously, right, because this taco has
Speaker 1: impacted the world. Greatness is quantifiable, Like this taco, the
Speaker 1: original taco has impacted the world.
Speaker 2: But in my life.
Speaker 1: Right this soul taco is the best thing going, and
Speaker 1: I would prefer it over on the side of taco,
Speaker 1: even though I eat both all the time. That's the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's like comparing hip hop to like Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker 1: Like I can prefer the Blueprint more than I like
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac Groomers album. I can say it's better, that's
Speaker 1: my preference, the better, but it's it's disingenuous or it's
Speaker 1: ignorant to say it's greater than Fleetwood Max Rumor album
Speaker 1: because Fleetwood's Max Rumor Album impacted bore people.
Speaker 3: Do you think that.
Speaker 4: With regard to and again, like as as huge as
Speaker 4: the Chronic became, I'm just gonna go out on a
Speaker 4: limb and say that.
Speaker 3: That it exceeded expectation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Remember hip hop hadn't hip hop never lived there commercially.
Speaker 2: Of course, like they had, ll.
Speaker 1: Cool J had records, WODNI had records, Different run DMC
Speaker 1: had records, you know, but it was rough to find
Speaker 1: an album that had four or five songs that impacted
Speaker 1: mainstream commercially like the Chronic had at that time. Remember
Speaker 1: it was four songs is dre a I'm gonna, I'm
Speaker 1: Gonna let you Go, dre a g thang, let.
Speaker 2: Me Ride, Ghetto Boy, Yeah Project.
Speaker 4: And to me like that, I feel like musically like
Speaker 4: there was a lot going on there. There was there
Speaker 4: was culturally visually optically in the videos.
Speaker 6: Like musically, I feel like, yeah, like those songs hit
Speaker 6: the crossover market differently than like some of the earlier
Speaker 6: like one, oh, this is kind of cool with this
Speaker 6: kind of novel.
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, I am.
Speaker 4: Hearing this differently, sure, you know, but even still, And
Speaker 4: it's in its conception of that album versus the actual
Speaker 4: creation process of this one. One is attempting to provide
Speaker 4: a great dining experience for a locale. The other is
Speaker 4: attempting to provide a great dining experience for a diverse
Speaker 4: tapestry that's enormous, which.
Speaker 2: Which again, the same thing happened to Aerosmith. Right. Aerosmith
Speaker 2: is is like a rock man, hard rock man.
Speaker 1: But as they grew up, and you know, their music
Speaker 1: became more of like popular, right, and they became this
Speaker 1: really big band.
Speaker 2: You know, you fast forward.
Speaker 1: To when the movie exactly like they had to make
Speaker 1: a power ballad, right, and I'm watching the guys that
Speaker 1: I grew up listening to, right, the Dre's, the jay Z's,
Speaker 1: and the snoops. They're attempting to figure out the same thing.
Speaker 1: How does that look like for hip hop artists? I mean,
Speaker 1: how do they make a what's the name of that song?
Speaker 1: Aerosmith song? What I miss or I can't miss a thing,
Speaker 1: or I don't want to miss it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to miss a thing. So, like hip hop is now
Speaker 1: trying to find its way into that pop space like
Speaker 1: rock was able to do twenty years ago. I mean
Speaker 1: because they had been around that long. So hip hop
Speaker 1: is starting to try. So watching to watch Dre do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's different because hip hop
Speaker 1: is something that leans on culture a lot more so
Speaker 1: that journey is gonna be different than rock.
Speaker 2: Rock was culture, but it was always music.
Speaker 1: It was always instruments and shit, So it was always
Speaker 1: from the start, it wasn't done the way hip hop
Speaker 1: kind of got famous for, you know, Molly Maul taking
Speaker 1: samples and making stuff. They were always playing instruments. So
Speaker 1: the journey is a little you know, it's a little simpler.
Speaker 1: Our journey is different because we are supposed to take
Speaker 1: parts it ain't supposed to be so clean and so
Speaker 1: healthy and supposed to be kind of dirty and.
Speaker 2: Culturally raunchy to something.
Speaker 4: I think to me, the best comp to Snoop and
Speaker 4: Dre and another genre is Metallica. You have a series
Speaker 4: of platinum releases prior to the Black Album. The Black
Speaker 4: Album was the chronic and doggy style. It just went
Speaker 4: to a place Mela too. That's funny, Yeah, they they
Speaker 4: never the metal is a genre never aspired, you know.
Speaker 4: And then afterwards there's a big lull in time, and
Speaker 4: then what do we get. We get a couple of
Speaker 4: an album is the purest hate that no one really liked,
Speaker 4: and then next thing you know, we're doing live at
Speaker 4: the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra album.
Speaker 3: You know, kind of things like.
Speaker 2: Did Metallica ever do it?
Speaker 1: Like Aerosmith to where they were able to transition into
Speaker 1: US pop space and had these big power ballants like that.
Speaker 3: That was the Black Album, The Unforgiven.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't wouldn't that be because like the aerosmith they had
Speaker 1: those cuts that's the steroid hit and stuff early on, right.
Speaker 3: Oh, the Aerosmiths, like the song that sounded like stereoid
Speaker 3: of Heaven like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was like out of the Rapper. That
Speaker 4: was like probably their first big hit late seventies, and
Speaker 4: then they kind of had I would say, like their
Speaker 4: heyday was like the eighties and then like around the
Speaker 4: time where they were run Dncy. They intersected it at
Speaker 4: their at both of their kind of primes. But I
Speaker 4: think like they brought in this like Metallica after and
Speaker 4: Justice for All, which was like.
Speaker 3: A metal heads metal album. Then the Black Album they
Speaker 3: brought in market producers for that, so it was just
Speaker 3: for two writers doing what they do and then this
Speaker 3: this other team came in and made it more digestible,
Speaker 3: so you.
Speaker 1: Would look like for them, right for Aerosmith and not
Speaker 1: to cut you off. Toys in the Attic was the one.
Speaker 3: I don't know their album.
Speaker 4: I was never the biggest Aerosmith's fan, but I know
Speaker 4: their songs and I kind.
Speaker 1: Of knows has Sweet Emotions. Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Heard this album Sweet Emotion walked his Way.
Speaker 1: You see me crying, right, So watching them in seventy
Speaker 1: five life right, because Toys and the Attic is in
Speaker 1: seventy five and then you know or whatever that song is, yeah,
Speaker 1: that but they went Diamond back then fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: That must have happened over the course of thirty years.
Speaker 1: That was not but but I think, uh, I think
Speaker 1: and then and then armagedd and the.
Speaker 2: U let me see when or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I guess I say that to say
Speaker 1: that watching Snoop and Dre, you know, attempt to set
Speaker 1: the tone like that is unique, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So there are songs that are a little bit out
Speaker 1: of my you know, like I can see how a
Speaker 1: rock group, like a rock following could hear. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss a thing and be like
Speaker 1: I ain't fucking with this Aerosmith, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's it's so much. But when
Speaker 1: I listen to the music, I was telling him, like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is the best music he's made, Like just.
Speaker 2: Play the instrumental, Like this shit is insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you listen to Geep Thing, Geep Thing,
Speaker 1: the instrumental ain't nowhere near close to this on a
Speaker 1: musical level. Even when I listen to the next episode,
Speaker 1: which is a great idea, it's nowhere near this new
Speaker 1: shit on a musical level. But again, because hip hop
Speaker 1: and the business of hip hop. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: about music, it's about records and culture. So where he
Speaker 1: lacks at today in culture because he's doctor Dre, that's
Speaker 1: you know, that got all his money and shit, and
Speaker 1: he's been successful and he's been in the business for
Speaker 1: I don't know forty years. You know, what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is this version is a lot different. You know, he
Speaker 1: don't carry as much culture at the age of sixty
Speaker 1: as he did, you know, thirty years ago, and so
Speaker 1: he don't carry as much of street urban culture as
Speaker 1: he did then. So I can see why it wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily transition over the next artists to the next generation
Speaker 1: because it's not about the culture.
Speaker 2: But then again, it's Snoop and Dre, who are two
Speaker 2: pop icons.
Speaker 1: Mind you, they did this super Bowl in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: Like this is again, this is what's happening, and what
Speaker 1: happened to rock and roll is happening to hip hop
Speaker 1: where they finally are accepting these these cultural giants into
Speaker 1: like mainstream society, right and now their life is completely different.
Speaker 1: So Snoop to me still is a is a cultural
Speaker 1: phenomen like he refuses to let go even if he's
Speaker 1: holding it. He's holding it, he understands and that's that's
Speaker 1: that's what makes him the greatest hip hop artists ever.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's not about do you I think he rap better
Speaker 1: than you know this person or blah blah. It's like
Speaker 1: when you get what hip hop is as this cultural movement.
Speaker 1: Nothing is like dog like we've never seen anything. The
Speaker 1: closest is like ice tea. Like ice tea is like
Speaker 1: the closest thing to that. Too short is like that.
Speaker 1: You can see Jay start to assimilate every day into mainstream.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's still a brother, but he is
Speaker 1: definitely you know, moved past the concept of being who
Speaker 1: he was from Marshen.
Speaker 3: I thought his music kind of was always doing that,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, and it's to some extent, there's kind of that,
Speaker 4: you know, a line between like what's marketing opportunism for
Speaker 4: lack of a better term or whatever, and what's like
Speaker 4: acknowledging I have a larger restaurant now, I want to
Speaker 4: make sure everybody got something to either day.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I think that's what Snoop and Dre
Speaker 2: were doing with you know again, that.
Speaker 1: Ain't I never came to mission everything, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna get doggy Stawn. It's called missionary. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: lot less raunchy than Doggystawn. So I would imagine the
Speaker 1: music would probably be a little more straight up and
Speaker 1: down and traditional.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe this time the double entendre, because the previous
Speaker 4: double on tendre was where dogs and there's a sexual reference.
Speaker 4: This time we got a sexual reference. But we're being
Speaker 4: missionaries because we're taking this out abroad to an audience beyond.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm thinking of another thing that it could mean.
Speaker 4: Also, they should promote missionary dressed like Mormons on bicycles.
Speaker 4: We're bringing this to a country near you.
Speaker 3: Cry.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that conversation didn't go overwhelmed, because it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's when I'm communicating with them,
Speaker 1: if the tone got lost, Like it's like immediately I'm
Speaker 1: offended that you think that I'm saying something different. I
Speaker 1: may be saying something that's intellectually challenging because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like everything good, I don't have to like think love it.
Speaker 1: I think that's the normal confusion in most humans. Like
Speaker 1: I like it because it's good. No, I just like
Speaker 1: it or I just love it, like they're like McDonald's
Speaker 1: is not big Max are not great. They were, but
Speaker 1: they're not today. But I love them like yo. And
Speaker 1: it's weird when the natural reaction of most humans is, well,
Speaker 1: let's ask everybody else what they think. They don't know
Speaker 1: what the thing Like I I realized that's the job
Speaker 1: of being a hip hop artist. Not only am like
Speaker 1: being a hip hop artist, you're an elected delegate of
Speaker 1: a community, right so you're the representative, but it's also
Speaker 1: up to you to hurt them. You have to heard
Speaker 1: them where you want them to go. And I think Kendrick,
Speaker 1: which is weird, I think he figured that out before me.
Speaker 1: Like I knew I had to represent, but I also
Speaker 1: didn't realize how much you have to.
Speaker 2: Do that and heard. You have to heard the sheep
Speaker 2: to where you want them to go.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely.
Speaker 4: And like you said, you you know, view yourself as
Speaker 4: a teacher like that, there's giving somebody a bunch of
Speaker 4: information and hoping to hold on to it, and then
Speaker 4: there's prodding somebody to think. You know, so like you
Speaker 4: kind of say it in the sense that like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say it tight and in a way that hits
Speaker 4: you wrong because I'm trying to catalyze you thinking through
Speaker 4: this concept on your own, you know, as opposed to
Speaker 4: me just telling it to you and half of it
Speaker 4: going over your head or you not really engaging at
Speaker 4: the appropriate level. I mean, if if you force somebody
Speaker 4: to have to like combat what you're saying or push
Speaker 4: back what you're saying, you force them to at that
Speaker 4: point engage in the concept actively.
Speaker 3: You know they're gonna get more out of it in
Speaker 3: doing so.
Speaker 2: But it's just hard because what do you say? What
Speaker 2: do you say?
Speaker 4: When?
Speaker 2: What do you say?
Speaker 1: When most people you know their trigger words, Like still
Speaker 1: I know some of Steel's trigger words, like if I.
Speaker 2: Say certain things, two of them.
Speaker 1: If I say certain things, and they could be in
Speaker 1: just conversation, not things you're saying to offend somebody, but
Speaker 1: like anything that I say specifically in this arena is
Speaker 1: his brain shuts down and then immediately his heart comes up,
Speaker 1: and it's like that's not the goal. That is probably
Speaker 1: the hardest part of teaching, Like when you know that
Speaker 1: somebody's trigger words, But now I have to be I
Speaker 1: have to do a ton of extra work to try
Speaker 1: to figure out a way around there.
Speaker 4: Versus say medium, well in front of steel even accidentally,
Speaker 4: I think the volumes on medium, well, we should probably
Speaker 4: turn it up.
Speaker 3: Oh cook my stake.
Speaker 2: I want to fags fags. I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. Like, that's what I would like
Speaker 2: to accomplish with No Selings.
Speaker 1: I remember when we first started this journey and somebody
Speaker 1: asked me, what would you like to accomplish with your podcast?
Speaker 1: No Sinans, And I'm like, I would truly like to
Speaker 1: get people to think. And I don't want them just
Speaker 1: to challenge public opinion. I want them to consider public opinion.
Speaker 1: You know, I would like them to start thinking exactly
Speaker 1: what are people saying? I would I would like to
Speaker 1: encourage people to listen, not to hear. That would be
Speaker 1: the goal of No Ceilings. Now that we're four seasons in,
Speaker 1: you know, coming to the end of a fourth season.
Speaker 1: If you're hearing my voice, my goal would be to
Speaker 1: get you to listen more to humanity than hearing humanity.
Speaker 1: Now it is a fine line, because I do I
Speaker 1: come across a bit robotic because people I listen so
Speaker 1: much and I don't hear often enough. But I think
Speaker 1: it would benefit your life if you listened to humanity
Speaker 1: like listen, Listen to your girl, listen to your God,
Speaker 1: Listen to them. Don't think you're hearing them, because hearing
Speaker 1: can cause a different conversation I'm saying, but listening can.
Speaker 1: It could really help you in your life. I think
Speaker 1: most of you guys have hearing down to a science.
Speaker 1: But listening is something that I think most humanity can
Speaker 1: really benefit from.
Speaker 2: Or even the No Selings listener.
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