1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960
Speaker 1: If we're gonna talk politics with anybody, we like to

2
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,920
Speaker 1: talk to Lan Heat Chin. He's a candidate for California

3
00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,080
Speaker 1: state controller, but he's also got all kinds of public

4
00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,600
Speaker 1: policy experience. David and dyane stuffy, fellow in American Public

5
00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, director of domestic domestic

6
00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,360
Speaker 1: policy studies at Stanford universities, has been involved in a

7
00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Um attached to a bunch of different presidential campaigns. Lan

8
00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,119
Speaker 1: He welcome back to the Armstrong and getty show. Great

9
00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,400
Speaker 1: to do with you, Jack. Thank you. What do you

10
00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,640
Speaker 1: think of this idea of the Republicans trying to focus

11
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,520
Speaker 1: on a few issues to make it clear to the

12
00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,320
Speaker 1: American people this is what we'll do for you. I

13
00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,479
Speaker 1: think it's a great idea. I think it's important to

14
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,440
Speaker 1: offer contrast and to offer ideas, as you know, not

15
00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,440
Speaker 1: not just saying hey, we're not going to beat them,

16
00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,519
Speaker 1: but to say, listen, what are what are some of

17
00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,519
Speaker 1: the things that Republicans will do if they have the

18
00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to be in the majority in the house? And

19
00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 1: it's very similar to what new gingridge did the contract

20
00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,200
Speaker 1: with America, focusing in on a few really important issues

21
00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 1: like around the economy and how Republicans are gonna try

22
00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,480
Speaker 1: and help to make things more affordable in our country

23
00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,319
Speaker 1: after the decimation we've seen from inflation and now coming recession. Uh,

24
00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, talking about health care and how to make

25
00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,920
Speaker 1: healthcare more affordable and accessible to people. So I think

26
00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,120
Speaker 1: it's great to have an agenda. I think the challenge

27
00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,120
Speaker 1: obviously now is how much bandwidth and how much attention

28
00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,319
Speaker 1: is it going to get in the closing weeks of

29
00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,240
Speaker 1: a campaign, when when really substance tends to go out

30
00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,160
Speaker 1: the door, unfortunately, and it's all about, you know, attacks

31
00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,280
Speaker 1: in this and one way and the other. I do

32
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,480
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea to offer the alternative. I

33
00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,119
Speaker 1: wish they've done it a little bit earlier, quickly. Yeah,

34
00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 1: that's interesting. We're talking about that earlier. Just how and

35
00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure both parties are trying to figure this out.

36
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,920
Speaker 1: In the modern world, people are starting to vote in

37
00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,520
Speaker 1: certain areas of the country today. So when do you

38
00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,040
Speaker 1: when do you announce your closing message? You know, gazillions

39
00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,960
Speaker 1: of people, like myself, I'm still a show up at

40
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 1: the polling place and vote on voting day. I just

41
00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: for some reason like doing it that way. But you

42
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 1: know that's a shrinking group of people. So when do

43
00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,559
Speaker 1: you when do you unleash your closing argument now? Yeah,

44
00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,280
Speaker 1: it's interesting. The modern campaign has extended. Uh, you know

45
00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,880
Speaker 1: very much so. I mean we already knew it was

46
00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120
Speaker 1: extending earlier, but when you talked about a closing message,

47
00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 1: it used to be the case that you would have

48
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,440
Speaker 1: a closing message in the last week of October and

49
00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,720
Speaker 1: you'd run two weeks. I remember doing a bunch of

50
00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,480
Speaker 1: different presidential campaigns over the years and we would sort

51
00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,000
Speaker 1: of go into that closing argument, you know, right around

52
00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Halloween and it gives herself usually a nice runway of

53
00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,080
Speaker 1: about a week, a week and a half to really

54
00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,359
Speaker 1: close strong. But to your point, I mean you look

55
00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,600
Speaker 1: at the state of California as an example. Ballots will

56
00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,800
Speaker 1: be in the mail October tent and it creates essentially

57
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,519
Speaker 1: a rolling for week ellection. In Pennsylvania, I understand someone

58
00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,840
Speaker 1: told me that they've got ballots out already in Pennsylvania.

59
00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,160
Speaker 1: You can already request an abstency ballot now. So it

60
00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,400
Speaker 1: is an extended period of time and it changes the

61
00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,960
Speaker 1: character of campaigns, changes the nature of what campaigns and

62
00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,040
Speaker 1: candidates need to do and and it's it's almost like

63
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000
Speaker 1: you've got to start building into your closing argument through

64
00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,920
Speaker 1: the month of September and into October. And you know,

65
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,600
Speaker 1: as I think about my own handed to seeing what

66
00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,400
Speaker 1: we're doing here in California, that that's how we're approaching it.

67
00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,440
Speaker 1: We're approaching it as a a lengthy period of time

68
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,400
Speaker 1: over which you need to build your case, as opposed

69
00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,160
Speaker 1: to what it used to because about, you know, ten

70
00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,519
Speaker 1: days to two weeks. Do you think that's better? or

71
00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 1: or or not? I I feel like I understand the,

72
00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, um of a democratic, small D democratic view

73
00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,240
Speaker 1: of making sure everybody has plenty of time to vote,

74
00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,120
Speaker 1: stretching out that sort of thing, but in terms of

75
00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,280
Speaker 1: focusing the nation's attention on issues, to have a conversation

76
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,640
Speaker 1: about a debate about it, I think the longer period

77
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,639
Speaker 1: is not working. Yeah, let me tell you what it does,

78
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:41,080
Speaker 1: in my view, is it protects incumbents, because if you're

79
00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,480
Speaker 1: if you're already in office, and people show up and

80
00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 1: they say, Oh, this guy is already a congressman or

81
00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,279
Speaker 1: this gal is already a member of the state legislature,

82
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,720
Speaker 1: then you have a built in amount of name. I

83
00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,120
Speaker 1: D or a built in amount of recognition that a

84
00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,280
Speaker 1: challenger does not have. So when you lengthen the period

85
00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,080
Speaker 1: of time over which they've got to compete, in my

86
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,640
Speaker 1: view what it does is it makes it easier for

87
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,360
Speaker 1: the incumbent too to hang on because because, quite frankly,

88
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, the incumbent is already going to have that

89
00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,720
Speaker 1: and and it's just that's kind of my view, because

90
00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,159
Speaker 1: I think what happens is the incumbent has all of

91
00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,000
Speaker 1: the resources and all the ability to communicate over that

92
00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,520
Speaker 1: period of time. The challenge is probably still raising money

93
00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,039
Speaker 1: right the challenger is still trying to figure out how

94
00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,080
Speaker 1: do I get my my name idea out there and

95
00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,479
Speaker 1: people are already voting, so it's too late by the

96
00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760
Speaker 1: time that they actually get around the delivering a message.

97
00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,279
Speaker 1: So that's my sort of more cynical view. The reasons

98
00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,160
Speaker 1: period getting ended is because incumbents can protect themselves. Sometimes

99
00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,920
Speaker 1: cynical is just accurate. So the people that are already

100
00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,080
Speaker 1: in charge made the rules easier to keep them in charge. Yeah,

101
00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I think you see it in

102
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,360
Speaker 1: a lot of different places right. I think you see

103
00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,680
Speaker 1: it in different states. You know, certainly there is an

104
00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,039
Speaker 1: effort underway to make sure that incumbents are, you know,

105
00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,320
Speaker 1: more more, more closely enscons, more care lanscons in their positions,

106
00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,520
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, but

107
00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,720
Speaker 1: I think that incumbents do write the rules and then

108
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,760
Speaker 1: they have the advantage. What's actually gonna be on the

109
00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,159
Speaker 1: mind of most voters as they vote, whether they're voting

110
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,760
Speaker 1: today or the first week in November? NBC has done

111
00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,839
Speaker 1: this thing with their polling where they break the economy

112
00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,719
Speaker 1: into like three different topics, inflation, jobs and something else,

113
00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,680
Speaker 1: so that that waters down those numbers and they can

114
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,159
Speaker 1: claim that abortions the number one issue when if you

115
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,840
Speaker 1: put all the economic stuff together, it is far and

116
00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,320
Speaker 1: away the number one issue. So what, in your mind,

117
00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,800
Speaker 1: is actually going to be the top of mind issues? Who?

118
00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,960
Speaker 1: Who Was it that said it's the economy stupid? Was

119
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,760
Speaker 1: that James Carville, the political consultant for Bill Clinton? It

120
00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 1: is always, I think, predominantly, the the economy that drives

121
00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,360
Speaker 1: voter decision making, and you know the economy can take

122
00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,600
Speaker 1: lots of different forms. Right. I mean to your point.

123
00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Is it that I'm paying a lot more for Gas

124
00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,640
Speaker 1: and food? Is it that I feel like my job

125
00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,440
Speaker 1: is at risk. Is it that I feel that the

126
00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,920
Speaker 1: economic conditions in our country are generally unstable and unsteady?

127
00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,320
Speaker 1: Those are all related. Yes, they're separate, specific concerns and

128
00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,840
Speaker 1: if you ask someone to put their finger on it,

129
00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,360
Speaker 1: is it inflation or is it it's very hard for

130
00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,880
Speaker 1: folks to do that. But the reality is it is

131
00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,000
Speaker 1: these kitchen table issues. I mean I see it every

132
00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,000
Speaker 1: day campaigning all over the state of California. When I

133
00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,320
Speaker 1: talk to people, predominantly, I will tell you, like nine

134
00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200
Speaker 1: times out of ten, the first thing someone will tell

135
00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,240
Speaker 1: me is, you know what I'm I'm really frustrated with

136
00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,880
Speaker 1: how much gas they'll call. I'm really frustrated. I'm really

137
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm really concerned about what's happening with our economy. I

138
00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,680
Speaker 1: keep hearing it's slowing down, mortgage rates are soaring, it's

139
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,080
Speaker 1: making it harder for me to afford a house. All

140
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,640
Speaker 1: of these things, these are all related issues. So I

141
00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,960
Speaker 1: think the economy, by and by and large, is going

142
00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,440
Speaker 1: to be the major issue of this campaign. Yeah, I

143
00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,479
Speaker 1: think you're right. I I'm at that point in my

144
00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,719
Speaker 1: life where I can, you know, afford to live, but

145
00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,960
Speaker 1: I often think about what would I have done when

146
00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,400
Speaker 1: I was twenty five. I'm not sure what I would

147
00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,359
Speaker 1: have done. I couldna have filled up my car and

148
00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,840
Speaker 1: gone to the grocery store. It's crazy. Yeah, well, and

149
00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,679
Speaker 1: I think the other piece of it is that people

150
00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,080
Speaker 1: look at Um the current conditions, and they just don't

151
00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,400
Speaker 1: see him getting better. You know. That's the other thing

152
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,200
Speaker 1: is that it's not like there's a ton of hope

153
00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 1: out there that we're going to see a dramatic end

154
00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,760
Speaker 1: to inflation or that interest rates are going to come

155
00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,720
Speaker 1: back down, because they're not. I mean interest rates are

156
00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,720
Speaker 1: headed in the in the other direction. Right I think

157
00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,440
Speaker 1: we're seeing home loan rates for the thirty year. At

158
00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,280
Speaker 1: least I heard it was up over six percent, which

159
00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,680
Speaker 1: is remarkable and where it was just just, you know,

160
00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 1: twenty four months ago. So I think it's Um. It

161
00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,680
Speaker 1: is not just the state of the economy but a

162
00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,360
Speaker 1: sense that the people in charge, I don't know what

163
00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,559
Speaker 1: they're doing, they're not they're not doing what it takes

164
00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,800
Speaker 1: to improve the situation. That that gets me too. It

165
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,280
Speaker 1: is there gonna be a price paid for Joe Biden

166
00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,040
Speaker 1: saying things like, you know, like you did on sixty minutes,

167
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,920
Speaker 1: and has in various other Um settings where he says, oh, look, look,

168
00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 1: it was zero, zero. Nobody's feeling like inflation is your own. Yeah,

169
00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 1: I think that the challenge politicians have, particularly people who

170
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 1: are in office, is, you know, they risk looking like

171
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:15,840
Speaker 1: they are Um, under selling or under estimating what's happening

172
00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280
Speaker 1: in people's lives. And when you say, for example, I

173
00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,480
Speaker 1: mean this whole crop about inflation being transitory, which I

174
00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,600
Speaker 1: still I'm not sure who came up with that one,

175
00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,440
Speaker 1: but this idea that you know, everything is fine, keep calm,

176
00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,920
Speaker 1: the economy is doing fine. The economy is not doing fine.

177
00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,760
Speaker 1: All right, the reality is, if you look at the

178
00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,319
Speaker 1: economic indicators, there are some serious warning signs that we're

179
00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,920
Speaker 1: seeing slowing if you look at a lot of different

180
00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,400
Speaker 1: measures that economists used to evaluate whether we're headed toward recession,

181
00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot of those things are flashing red right now.

182
00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,559
Speaker 1: They're saying, listen, we're going to have a slowdown and

183
00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,839
Speaker 1: and labor markets, uh, you know, are still relatively tight,

184
00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 1: but that you know, that could change. And so I

185
00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,800
Speaker 1: think the reality is that we are headed for challenging

186
00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,400
Speaker 1: economic times and politicians risk looking like they're out of

187
00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,360
Speaker 1: touch if they don't acknowledge that. But but if they're

188
00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna catch twenty two, Joe Biden's gonna catch twenty two

189
00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,200
Speaker 1: because on the one hand he can't really afford to

190
00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,040
Speaker 1: say what is the truth, which is that the economy

191
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,079
Speaker 1: is in trouble, because politically he's got to sound like

192
00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,080
Speaker 1: a cheerleader. But if you're a cheerleader then you sound

193
00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800
Speaker 1: like you're out of touch. That that's a challenge. That's

194
00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,439
Speaker 1: challenge he has. That's a good point. Is Joe Biden

195
00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna run again? I don't know. I'm probably the last

196
00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,080
Speaker 1: person to aspect because I just I don't I don't

197
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,520
Speaker 1: know enough about the uner workings of that White House

198
00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,760
Speaker 1: or the party to know. But I will say this.

199
00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,559
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people chomping at the

200
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,560
Speaker 1: bit to either to run against him or hoping he

201
00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,000
Speaker 1: doesn't run so it opens a pathway. Um. But I

202
00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I don't know. Like I I

203
00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,400
Speaker 1: look at him sometimes and I think, Jeez, this is Um.

204
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,720
Speaker 1: Can he make you know, can he really be an

205
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,000
Speaker 1: effective campaigner for another presidential campaign? I mean these things

206
00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,600
Speaker 1: are grueling. Yeah and well, and this is not gonna

207
00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,679
Speaker 1: be one you can do from your home on zoom.

208
00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,920
Speaker 1: Probably you'd actually have to track everything correct. You actually

209
00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,560
Speaker 1: have to go out and meet people and you know,

210
00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,199
Speaker 1: I think at one point in his career that was

211
00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,480
Speaker 1: actually strange. Yeah, absolutely, to get out there and meet

212
00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,280
Speaker 1: people and connect with people. I just think it's hard now,

213
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean everybody reaches an age where it's

214
00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,720
Speaker 1: it's just a more challenging and his problem is, frankly,

215
00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,400
Speaker 1: it's less what Republican he's going to run against, is

216
00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,880
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of ambitious Democrats who want to

217
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,720
Speaker 1: take him out, you know, and that's that's his bigger problem.

218
00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,240
Speaker 1: Is Gavin gonna run? Boy, sure seems like it. I

219
00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,400
Speaker 1: mean he's positioning himself that way and trying to imagine

220
00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 1: why you'd run ads in Florida like that, is the

221
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,080
Speaker 1: governor of California, if you're running for president. You know,

222
00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,800
Speaker 1: there's this concept in politics, these politicians call it a

223
00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,360
Speaker 1: free shot election, where basically you've got a job and

224
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,200
Speaker 1: so you go and run for something else because it's

225
00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,240
Speaker 1: a free shot. And Gavin running for President in twenty

226
00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,400
Speaker 1: four is a free shot because he's probably gonna get

227
00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,920
Speaker 1: you reelected this fall. And if he gets re elected,

228
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,520
Speaker 1: then what is that mean he has four years right

229
00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,240
Speaker 1: as governor, and so two thousand twenty four falls right

230
00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of that. Why not? Right? It's like

231
00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,800
Speaker 1: why not give it a shot? So, you know, I

232
00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,360
Speaker 1: think he is in a similar position to others who

233
00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,719
Speaker 1: would evaluate and look at it and if they don't

234
00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,840
Speaker 1: feel like there's a political price to be paid for

235
00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,240
Speaker 1: running against an incumbent president or, in the alternative of

236
00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,600
Speaker 1: the incumbent president decides not to run, they may just say, hey,

237
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,400
Speaker 1: why not give it a shot, you know? So I

238
00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Sometimes it's it's just a way of raising

239
00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,839
Speaker 1: their profile nationally too. I'm real close to out of time.

240
00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,319
Speaker 1: This is gonna have to be a short answer. Just

241
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 1: trump run again? I you know, I it's hard for

242
00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,720
Speaker 1: me to say. If you'd ask me a couple months ago,

243
00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 1: I would have said yeah, I think he will run.

244
00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 1: Now it's it's it's just a little bit more up

245
00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,679
Speaker 1: in the air, but I think if you had to bet,

246
00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,160
Speaker 1: I'd say yeah, I think he's gonna run. Interesting. So

247
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,720
Speaker 1: if you live in California, vote for Lawnie Chen for controller,

248
00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,480
Speaker 1: because we need that. And if the only times thinks

249
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,840
Speaker 1: it's true, wow, it's really true. Thank you, Lonie. Appreciate

250
00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,280
Speaker 1: your time today. Thanks Jack Barn strong and Jetty