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Speaker 1: guys in your area who are like I throw spin

426
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Speaker 1: X and that's it's sort of how like you see

427
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: that with shad dart makers and things in other places. Yeah,

428
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: I definitely have my people and I appreciate them a lot. Sure,

429
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: of course. And you make a lot of this bigger stuff.

430
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: But do you also still make like the tiny stream

431
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: stuff or you just mostly focused on the salmon and

432
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: steel stuff for now? Oh, anything you want to catch

433
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: a fish with that has a hook, I could definitely

434
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: make you up something for that application. That is no problem.

435
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: I make a lot of stuff to where. Like I said,

436
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: I love trout fishing, so I'll do a couple one

437
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: eighth pounds or one sixteenthound spinners, some really small presentations

438
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: for some small stream fishing. I do anything you guys want,

439
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: and uh do it a quality way. Well, it was

440
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: it was great to have an inline maker on man,

441
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: it was a nice change up right now. If somebody, uh,

442
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to be one of those folks you're

443
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: making things for in the right way, where would they

444
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: find you? Well? On Facebook, spin x designs tackle it's

445
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: pretty simple, Instagram, Spinex Designs it's without the tackle. And

446
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go to the website and kind

447
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 1: of check out a few things I make spin X

448
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: Designs dot net. That's my website and my phone numbers

449
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: right there on the bottom footer. So if you want

450
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: to reach out, feel free. And if you're east side,

451
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: there's probably some things you can buy off there that

452
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: will make you the East Coast ringer because nobody else

453
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: is going to have those. They're just gonna be throwing

454
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: the same Swiss wings and Panther Martin's. So I would

455
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like inline spinners in general get

456
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: sort of roped into this category of being too simplistic

457
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: and sort of like a small fish lure. Like I'm

458
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: all about them on pocket water and small streams, but

459
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: if I'm floating a big river, right, I feel like

460
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: if I'm not doing something more active, like working a

461
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: big jerk bait, I'm not targeting the big fish. And

462
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: I know that's just not the case like inlines in general,

463
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: and all fisheries are very powerful. It's just like a

464
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: mental thing. Yeah, man, you know, inline spinners are like

465
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: the first things that really introduced me to the artificial game.

466
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: Like it was the first thing I remember throwing consistently

467
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: that wasn't a worm. And it's also the first thing

468
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: that really made me evaluate my gear um in that

469
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: if you're using like too heavy of a rod, right,

470
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: you can't feel you can't feel any of the flutter

471
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: that blade. And if you're using to light of a rod,

472
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: it's it's just like kind of like a difficult thing

473
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: to fish with, you know. Right, So Joe, as a

474
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: as a spinner junkie, yourself, what is your perfect rod

475
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: for throwing spinners? And tell me because I'm sure third

476
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Team makes it. Ah, Yeah, that would be the omen

477
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Fishing Trout pan Fish series. I like the five foot

478
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: six inch light, which is a little bit stiffer than

479
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: the Ultra light. I like a short rod for throwing spinners,

480
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: jigs and stuff. Longer rod, um, it's great for that.

481
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: Another thing I'll say to you, like, I remember growing up,

482
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: my dad would always insist on putting a spinner on

483
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: with a snap swivel like line snap swivel, then spinner

484
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: because he's like, I don't want to twist my line

485
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: all up. And I always hated that. I'm like, you're

486
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: adding too much hardware to this anyway, Yeah, yeah, it

487
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: made it look like the spinner had braces. The other

488
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: thing about that, man, is when you're casting out those spinners.

489
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever had this. Maybe you're

490
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: using more high end spinners than I was, but I

491
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: always felt like I didn't get a ton of spin

492
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: on the blade. And then what I realized is I

493
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: was getting plenty of spin on the blade. It was

494
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: just my rod was inappropriately heavy, and so I couldn't

495
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: feel like that little flutter on on the on the

496
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: way back. So again, man, that is why the right

497
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: rod for your spinner is crucial. Kind of ties into

498
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: what we talked about last week with with you know,

499
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: putting verse driving you know, yeah, anyway, Omen five six.

500
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: So getting back to opening day for a second, let

501
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Uh, is there anything you considered

502
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: a good omen Uh? Did you have any like do

503
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: you did you any like opening day sort of rituals

504
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: when you were a kid? Um A little bit right, So,

505
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people talk about like, you know,

506
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: getting getting bait and all their stuff the night before.

507
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: We never did that the night before. But the trip

508
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: to the tackle shop would usually be within a week

509
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: of opening day, and you know, the tackle shop would

510
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: be buzzing their other guys in there buying their salmon eggs,

511
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: and that was always just cool. But as for opening

512
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: day proper um, you know, that was typically I'd go out.

513
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: It would be me, my dad and my grandfather and

514
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: we would you know, get up early for the for

515
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the eight am start time over in Jersey and you'd

516
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: be out there all morning and and most opening days,

517
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: at some point we would break for lunch and we

518
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: go back to my grandparents house. So like a weird

519
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: thing that that sticks in my head is like you

520
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: smell like worm dirt, and hopefully some trout, and then

521
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: like it was always a bologny sandwich. Like we would

522
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: sit at my grandparents table and you'd tell you my

523
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: grandma what we caught, and you would eat a bologny sandwich,

524
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: and my dad would fall asleep in a chair and

525
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: like hopefully he would still be in the mood to

526
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: go back out for the afternoon, because I was I

527
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: would always want to go somewhere different in the afternoon,

528
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and depending on the weather and everything, sometimes it would work,

529
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: sometimes it wouldn't. But I remember that very finely. Man.

530
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that's it's kind of inconsequential.

531
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: It's just like lunch at your your grandma's. But um,

532
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: that was our opening day, you know. Yeah, how about you, man,

533
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: any any rituals tied to day of or or or

534
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: time before opening day? Yeah. So when I was a kid,

535
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I used to spend the night before the opener drawing

536
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: all of these you know, depth charts where I thought

537
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: the fish were going to be in relation to the bottom,

538
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: which is basically well it's it's what it's what I

539
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: saw in like in fishermen. Right. Um, what I didn't

540
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: realize at the time was that most of those illustrations

541
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: were in relation to some sort of like technique like

542
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: drop shotting on an underwater hump uh, whereas my maps

543
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: were much less helpful, not having an accompanying article. They

544
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: were always just pictures of a hole with a big

545
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: fish in the d keep his part in small fish

546
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: in the shallower parts, but might not always looked at

547
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: them and pretended to consider them as if they were

548
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: going to influence his strategy or something. So that's great, dude.

549
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: I hope you saved some of them, and your dad

550
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: saved some of them. I wish had been saved. Um.

551
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: And hey man, dude, if that if that helped your

552
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: confidence with that little bit of strategy, that's great. Speaking

553
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: of strategy, how about this, I've been plotting my own

554
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: strategy for defeating you in this week's competition that we

555
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: call fish News. Fish News. That escalated quickly. Hey, I

556
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to give a quick shout out to the

557
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: dozen or so listeners that came to my defense following

558
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: last week's very bloody smooth Moves. I said that I

559
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: believed mother rabbits ate their young sometimes, and the response

560
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: that I got from from Hayden and Company, here was

561
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: that I was being a weirdo, But damn it, I

562
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: was right. Okay, I'm not morbid or crazy. Several people

563
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: wrote in, man, that's a I am, but but I

564
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: am right in this case. They're like, no, it's a

565
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: real thing. Look, and it's called neo natal cannibalism um.

566
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: And it can occur if a baby is sick or week,

567
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: or if the mother is stressed by fear that a

568
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: sick or week baby will heighten the likelihood of a

569
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: predator homing in on the whole fam. Isn't that a

570
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: nice story for the kids. It goes much deeper than that,

571
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: but that is the gift. It's a real thing. I

572
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: did not make that up. So thank you everyone. And

573
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: in a less morbid shout out, I want to give

574
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: a shout out to the twelve dozen or so cops

575
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: who all like wrote in, like, you know, you have

576
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: a lot more a lot more police listening than you

577
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: than you might think, So I'm going to be careful

578
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: of what I say. I am. I am fine with that. Say.

579
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I told you the police listened to the bens and

580
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: did the fishing. That's great. We we love you guys.

581
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: That's good. I'm really happy to hear. What what are

582
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: those cards called p BA cards? I don't know if

583
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: they work anymore. We should have one of these officers

584
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: right in and be like, I would love to know

585
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: do because when I was a kid, my dad always

586
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: had PBA cards, which is the Policeman's Benevolent Association, and

587
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that was always like you just slipped it under your

588
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: driver's license if you got pulled over for a ticket,

589
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes that got you off, and sometimes they just

590
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: took the card and gave you the ticket anyway. Um,

591
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't even know if that's the thing anymore.

592
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to know. What would anybody even honor that? Yeah?

593
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: And and if it is a thing, you can write

594
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: into a bent at the meat Eater dot com and

595
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I will give you my nailing address and you can

596
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: send any ten of them. Yeah, there you go. That

597
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: that should last you a week or two anyway. All right,

598
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: So let's get on with it. We'll we'll hit conservation

599
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: minutes here real quick. Here's what I've got. A conservation

600
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: group in Canada is begging for a rule change regarding

601
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: Atlantic salmon, saying that catch and release angling needs to

602
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: be banned. Entirely in Newfoundland, particularly when the water is

603
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: above eighteen degrees celsius, which is sixty four point four

604
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. UH, citing the study conducted by an angling

605
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: group that above those tempts, even with the use of

606
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: rubber mesh nets and cotton release gloves and all those

607
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: those things, um, once you get above those temperatures, even

608
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: those things created sores and and detrimental injuries to the fish. Now,

609
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Atlantic salmon are already at risk and much of their

610
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: historic range and non existent in other parts of their

611
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: historic range. But a call for a ban on catch

612
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: and release during the summer months is going to be

613
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: pretty hard to get by all the lodges and guides

614
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and outfitters that still rely on them to make money.

615
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: So interesting debate, there's some air of of stryper debate

616
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: on the second. I gotta ask you the it says

617
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: saying that catching release angling needs to be banned entirely,

618
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: particularly with the water when the water is above eighteen

619
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: degrees celsius. Are you saying that they want to ban

620
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: catching release fishing for Atlantic salmon outright or only when

621
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: it exceeds these temperatures? Well, I think this group wants

622
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: them to be outright, but they're saying at minimum, once

623
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: the water gets above that temperature, it should absolutely be

624
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: be bad like that. I mean I feel like that. Yeah,

625
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: and we and we have we have similar things. I

626
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: mean to see that about trout right seventy degrees, Like

627
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: if you're if you really want to conserve trout, you

628
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: don't fight him in the summertime if the water is

629
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: above seventy or whatever the number is. Same thing with muskie.

630
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Can we do it? Can we do a short story time?

631
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: I got kind of a funny story about it. Go ahead. Well, Uh,

632
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: when I was first like getting really seriously into fly fish,

633
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: and one of my buddies on the West Branch invite

634
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: me up to Uh you're when I say really seriously,

635
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like professionally seriously about the first time I'd

636
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: ever been like included with the big dogs. And uh,

637
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: we were staying on the east branch but fishing the

638
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: West branch. But you could go out in the daytime

639
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and you know, do the uh do a little wade

640
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: trip on the on the east there. So he was

641
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: out with a boat full of clients and I'm just

642
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: hanging around the camp and I'm like, oh shit, I'll

643
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: go I'll go catch some fish. I didn't really understand

644
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: why we weren't. Well, the east branch isn't a tailwater

645
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: the same as the west branches. Nope. Uh, And I

646
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: didn't realize it. But now again, we had been fishing

647
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: there like the week before, so like these aren't I

648
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like fishing in like seventy eighty degree water or

649
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: like something like that. I was fishing in like sixty

650
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: seven sixty eight degree water. And uh, he comes down,

651
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: sees me, goes, hey man, we can't be fishing back

652
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: there right now. We uh you know, is it? Is

653
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: it a legal thing? No, it's not. Yeah. Well I

654
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I was too inexperienced know that this might be the

655
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: case in this particular body water. So anyway, he comes

656
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: down and say, hey man, we can't be fishing out there.

657
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: We can't be fishing out there. Really lays into me

658
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: and like understandably. So I told him understood, We got

659
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: out of the water, etcetera. And about like ten minutes later,

660
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: he kind of looks at me out of the corner

661
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: of his eye he goes, I bet you was real good, though,

662
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, well, dude, it's like summertime muskies. Man, Like,

663
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: you can catch some muskies in the summer around here,

664
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: but in certain places Dude, that what degrees in the

665
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: summer that it's no buy now you know what I mean? Yep?

666
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: What do you got for conservation? Minute? All? Al right here,

667
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: let me pull that up. Okay, So speaking of muskies, Uh,

668
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: this week big news in West Virginia. On March nineteen,

669
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: angler Luke King smashed the West of Virginia state muskie

670
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: record with a with a hell of a fish measuring

671
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: fifty five inches long. Yeah it's big fish, giant fish.

672
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah and uh and weighing fifty one pounds so huge,

673
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: quite the muscle lunge. Yeah. Anyhow, an important thing to

674
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: note in the story is that the fish was put

675
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: back into the water and swam away healthy. Huge props

676
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: to the angler and the West Virginia d n R. Anyway,

677
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: I called West Virginia DNA ARE and spoke to Mark Scott,

678
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: assistant chief of Fish Management, who had this to say

679
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: about the the catch and the release. Um. He said,

680
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Ultimately it's up to the angler if they want to

681
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: kill illegally caught fish to have it certified at a

682
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: later date. But muskie anglers in particular are very conscious

683
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: about releasing their catch, and this one was released unharmed.

684
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: The angler kept it in a large net and waited

685
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: for biologists, and with cold water like we have at

686
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: this time of year, this was called march. Uh, that

687
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: wasn't an issue, he continues to say. And this goes to,

688
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, speak to the above and beyond effort that

689
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: they went through in order to, you know, make sure

690
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: this fish was released as healthily as possible. You can't

691
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: plan to catch a state record fish, but our guys

692
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: do their best to verify things on site as quickly

693
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: as possible. During the week we can always get someone

694
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: out to the angler, But on the weekends, as is

695
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: the case with this fish, Um, it's much harder to

696
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: get biologists out there. I don't like to call our

697
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: biologist on Saturday morning and say, hey, you gotta get

698
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: out there and verify this fish. But with a record

699
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: like this, they're normally pretty willing to go out. Um.

700
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: And then he he let me know that their biologists

701
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: had pit tagged the fish, so if it's called again,

702
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: they'll be able to identify it as the same fish.

703
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: So uh, a little bit of conservation through catch and

704
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: release angling man and uh a little yeah good on Luke.

705
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: I I know I read a little bit about it,

706
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: and I know like he was hardcore about making sure

707
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: that fish went back and they got the pit tag in.

708
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: So um win win there. All right, onto regular news.

709
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: Remember this is a competition, and we'll we're still gonna

710
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: call it one, even though I actually do know which

711
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: story Hayden has brought to the ring this week. You'll

712
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: hear more about that later. Uh. Still at the end,

713
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: our audio engineer, Phil not Hayden, Phil as in Phil Taylor,

714
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: will declare a winner. And it's my So, yeah, I

715
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: know it happens, um, and I think it's a really

716
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: fun story. I'm kind of pumped on it. Uh. And

717
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: this comes to us from mash dot com, and it's

718
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: about how one little change up to a product then

719
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things should have zero bearing on anything,

720
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: has made a specific cult of anglers irate. And that

721
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: product of all things is the McDonald's drinking Strong. So

722
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: before we get down to the nitty gritty of the issue,

723
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: let's talk for just a minute here about Spanish mackerel

724
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: um if you're not familiar with them or their behavior.

725
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: They are relatively small fish, but very fast pelagic fish

726
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: that that show up in casting range of the beach

727
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: and piers with regularity in much of the South right.

728
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Spanish mackerel um, unlike some of their cousins, are are

729
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: not really oily. They have a nice, clean white meat

730
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: that I can tell you is excellent on the grill

731
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: or as sashimi. Um. And when the Spanish max are around,

732
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: they're usually very thick and aggressive. Um. They mostly feed

733
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: on small bait fish and um. Spanish mackerel have a

734
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: mean set of choppers and that is key here. Oh

735
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: my gosh. You know, I haven't read this story, but

736
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: as soon as he told me what item it was,

737
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be something of this

738
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: continue right, So because of those teeth, anglers have to

739
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: tailor their lures and presentation, because if you just huck

740
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: out a small jig or you know, a little metal

741
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: on your standard leader, you're gonna get cut off over

742
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: and over again. Strong chance right now. Because Spanish max

743
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: are good, table, fair and abundant, they've also been a

744
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: favorite target of anglers like on a budget, shall we say,

745
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: like you don't need fancy gear to catch them, and

746
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you can you can catch a ton. The limits are high, um,

747
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: and because people don't want to use all kinds of

748
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: expensive lures, there's been a lot of ingenuity involved in

749
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: creating cheap but effective lures. For Spanish max um as

750
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: an example, considering these fish will slash it pretty much

751
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: anything that moves and looks kind of like a tiny

752
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: bait fish. Many guys lean on a simple piece of

753
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: rubber tubing. It's just a few inches long and that

754
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: slid over the end of their leader, and that leader

755
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: has a trouble hook crim to the end, and the

756
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: piece of tubing acts like a bite guard. But it's

757
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: also just this redder orange, your colorful tubing that darts

758
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: and wiggles just enough um when you reel to get

759
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: bit and you can get four or five Spanish macro

760
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: to one lure before it's shredded. And if you lose that,

761
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: no big deal. Well guess what else works? And some

762
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: anglers believe even better than the tubing that McDonald's drinking

763
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: are gonna lose their mind when the styrofoam cups get banned.

764
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: Right now. Per the story, the practice of turning McDonald's

765
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: straws into Spanish macro lures dates back to the early eighties,

766
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: when McDonald's was the dominant fast food chain in the country. Um.

767
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: To add to the frugality of it, all anglers could

768
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: get at least three lures out of one straw. And

769
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: I mean straws are essentially free, right, you can walk

770
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: into McDonald's straw right. Um. The article says that these

771
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: straw lures originated around Pensacola, Florida, and it's something about

772
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: the straw made these homemade maclures gurgle and move differently

773
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: than similar tubing lures. The story even says, and this

774
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: is what I think is so cool that the straw

775
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: lures allegedly out fished other lures five to one. Now

776
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: so great, right, allow made out of a straw catches fish.

777
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: What's the big deal? But this story and some of

778
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: the anglers quoted in it swear that no straw compares

779
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: to the classic McDonald's white straw with the red and

780
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: yellow stripe that we all remember from our earlier days. Um,

781
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: it had to be that particular straw or it didn't work,

782
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: which is why many in the Spanish macro game were

783
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: pretty piste when Mickey D's ousted the iconic straw in

784
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: favor of yellow and brown ones. And of course these

785
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: days everybody's doing paper straws because straws are no good. Um.

786
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: And here's a quote from the story, Uh what his

787
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: weather or not? McDonald sympathized with the fisherman's plate the chain,

788
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: didn't change the straw color back and instead suggested the

789
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Big Mac as an alternative to the straw. Um. So,

790
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess what I'm saying is uh, you know,

791
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: and I love this. If you're sitting on a pile

792
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: of retro mcdonald'straws, you can totally hot them for good

793
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: coin on the pencicle of Craigslist page. But it's the

794
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: precision that resonates with me. It's like, it can't be

795
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: an RB straw, can't be a Wendy straw, can't be

796
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: a dairy queen straw. Like it has to be the McDonald's,

797
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: which I would I would love to know more about that,

798
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: Like why what is it the Spanish mackerel are seeing

799
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: in that color combo? That was so good? Yeah? I

800
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I mean like, but that's like the

801
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 1: classic thing about like I don't know kind of any

802
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: like cult angler phenomenon, right, Like, the one thing that

803
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I think of immediately is like the wonder bread spoon,

804
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: right like that that pattern, for like whatever reason, just

805
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the fish like universally. Um, I don't think that as

806
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: much as we'd like to think that we we can

807
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: plan out exactly what fish want to eat and come

808
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: up with these like patterns that are just going to

809
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: crush them. Um. Ultimately, the fish are fickle and don't

810
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: really seem to have any logical sort of preferences. Man,

811
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: it just happens. No, You're right, I guarantee if I

812
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: made you that same Lauren took it up to a

813
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: trout stream, I'd get a trout to eat that straw too. Um.

814
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: And I've also you ever seen those things where those

815
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: like Chinese or Japanese dudes take a drinking straw and

816
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: like origami it and they end up with like the

817
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: most realistic looking brine shrimp you've ever seen, and they

818
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: used that to catch stuff off the rock. No, but

819
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: that's amazing, it's pretty impressive. That's been floating around for

820
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: a while. But I'm like, Damn, that looks like too

821
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: much well, the well, the thing that it reminds me

822
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: of the most, man is uh, you know people floss

823
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: in salmon using styrofoam Uh, like pieces of a styrofoam

824
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: coffee cup. You ever hear about that. Yeah, they'll be like, yeah,

825
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: but I do. I remember that. I've alluded to him

826
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: in the past. But the guy who taught me about

827
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: fly fish and that bus driver that I had, man,

828
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you use for like your

829
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: salmon flies? You know, because I was I was just

830
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: fascinated upon hearing that you catch salmon on the east

831
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: coast and I'm thinking like green butt, skunk, you know,

832
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: like just like classic patterns like that. He's like, well,

833
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: we don't use any of those. The best thing that

834
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: we use styrofoam cup. It's like what yeah. But into

835
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: the difference though, is flossing is flossed. Yeah. I mean

836
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: you don't have to trick anything. I know that now. Yeah,

837
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm like, yeah, Tony, I bet you.

838
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: They just couldn't help but eat that styrofoam cup. Man,

839
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: please enter your password. You have one unheard message. Hey

840
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: hey midsunter from graphics. Um, I'm kind as hard as

841
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I can with this photo that you sent me to

842
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: twicket for Instagram. Um, I can't make fish like any bigger.

843
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: There's anohing all on a small fish, you know, just

844
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: talking about how pretty of the colors are caption or

845
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: something like that. But anyway, I just want to let

846
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: him in. Uh take care like end of message, delete

847
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: press seven, save deleted. Okay, So Joe, we both know

848
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: what I picked. I know I do know what you

849
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: picked because you saw it in the inbox and called

850
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: Dibbs and DIBs means something to me, no matter how

851
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: old you are. Dibbs as DIBs, you called Dibbs. You

852
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: got it, Yea. Although I'm I'm a little upset, ok Yeah,

853
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean I learned at college that Dibbs was nothing

854
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: but something. Uh your loser buddies did anyway. Uh, the

855
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: really messed up part of this is that it was

856
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: your buddy Jim Fee who covered it. Man. He couldn't.

857
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: He could have let you know. Uh, he could have

858
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: let you know before it came out, But old Jim

859
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: Fee did your dirty man. Yeah, Jim's too busy catching

860
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: monster large mouth on herring plugs right now to to

861
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: let me know about what stories are coming out. I'll

862
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: give him a pass. I'll see him. I'll see him

863
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: in a few weeks. I'll give him studs. Very charitable you, Joe. Anyhow,

864
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: thank you, Jim Joe. Do you want to do you

865
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: want to tell our listeners the title of the news story?

866
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Or should I? No? Man, it's so good. I feel

867
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: like I should least give you a chance to be

868
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: part of it. You know, no, you own it now,

869
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: but we we did. A lot of people forwarded this

870
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: one along. So the story comes from a friend of Bent,

871
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy fee via on the water dot com. And this

872
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: little chestnut is titled Possum eating striper poacher busted in

873
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: New York, which is now forever my favorite headline. And dude,

874
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if I had to go to

875
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: the pantheon of Bent news stories, it's this or the

876
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: prostitutes on ice really see it? Because here's the thing.

877
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a this is a good Did

878
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: we have to do this story? It's it's it's we

879
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: We couldn't not hit the story here. But I will

880
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: say this, like to most people, the idea of a

881
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: poacher that's eating a possum, it's pretty weird, but this

882
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: is meat eater, Like, don't we have a new eating

883
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: possum series coming out or something like? Isn't this is

884
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: just the kind of thing that that you do around here?

885
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: Is it really that weird? Yeah, Spencer is actually gonna

886
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: eat a possum stuffed in a in a snake in

887
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: a in the South. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, okay, okay, so

888
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: media to proclivities aside. Here's what happened. Over the course

889
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: of two days. Using night vision goggles, some conservation officers

890
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: monitored a group of people catching a bunch of stripers

891
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: out of season on the Hudson River in New York.

892
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: When you have to say, it's like ground zero for

893
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: this year, Like there are more bust on the Hudson River,

894
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: I swear than anywhere else. Right, Anyway, when the when

895
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: the officers approached the poachers and maneuver I'd like to

896
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: dub the poach approach the uh. The poachers were all like,

897
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any stripers, and the officers were like,

898
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: we have night vision goggles, We've we've been watching you.

899
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: You definitely have stripers. And boy did they have stripers.

900
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: Fifty six stripers in a Dr Seuss esque approach to

901
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: hiding stripers. They hid them in a bad tag and

902
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: under rocks, in some roots and under boots. Um it

903
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: listened where they the boots wasn't in there. That was

904
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: just for the rhyme scheme. But it did list like

905
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: they were hiding them in rootballs, or hiding them onto rocks,

906
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: They were hiding in bags, were hiding them in all

907
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: sorts of these spots. Anyhow, Stripers are not all that

908
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: these officers found. Oh No, per the headline, in a

909
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: turn of events that brings me the maximum amount of

910
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: joy any game offense possibly could. Uh, they found that

911
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: one of the poachers was cooking up a possum which

912
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: she had also punched in the parking lot in New York. Uh,

913
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: we know that's illegal. I'm just saying, like, I don't

914
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: what are the possum rules? Certain I think they're out

915
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: of season anyhow. And I have to say, like I

916
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: wonder if it was like Francis Malmon who was the

917
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: poacher apprehended here, because the possum appears to be beautifully

918
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: cooked over what's known in culinary parlans as a live fire,

919
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: that being a grill great over over coals like the

920
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: thing is golden brown and like it genuinely looks tasty.

921
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: If I didn't know it was a possum, much less

922
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: a possum shot in New York on the Hudson, I

923
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: would have eaten it. Um anyway, Uh, not a lot

924
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: of meat, but you wouldn't. Now you wouldn't now anyway,

925
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: not a lot of meat on the bone there, so

926
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: to speak. But come on, you had to. Oh, we

927
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: we absolutely had to. Um. Yeah, I mean, how do

928
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: you how do you leave that one alone? Because it

929
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: is a terrific headline, but um, I mean the stripers

930
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: is bad enough. I don't know the pot just I

931
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: would try possum if it was like a country possum.

932
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: Somebody's like, I I shot this. It was a problem

933
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: on my farm. I mean, it's what it's like, It's

934
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: what separate it's super rat, you know what I mean,

935
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: Like you're already worried about what the rats are into.

936
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: What is that thing eating in that location? Uh? And

937
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: I also they are just the creepiest animals dealt with

938
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: some of my property, and they are just the creepiest

939
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: app It's where you know, it's kind of what separates

940
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: squab from like street pigeon, you know what I mean, sure, exactly,

941
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: but it also makes me wonder. It's like, if if

942
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: you all are that hungry you need to kill uh,

943
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: fifty six stripers, you probably would have gotten the well,

944
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: probably would have gotten away with more, just like round

945
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: up the possums. Then, man, if that's what you want

946
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: to eat, like you could get away with that easier.

947
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: Most people, like yeah, would give less of a shit

948
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: about that. I feel like, I mean, to be honest

949
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: with you, man, I've never really thought about this, but

950
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: if you have fifty six stripers on hand, why are

951
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: you eating a possum? Why not just throw one of

952
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: the stripers on the grill there. That's that sounds somebody

953
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: somebody just forgot the tony satchery seasoning. That's why you

954
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: know they only had you know, yeah, I mean, like

955
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, possum based itself. Yeah, yeah, Well the

956
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: thing with the thing with like a possum, well, let's

957
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: talk about bears real quick, man. When when you shoot

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: a bear and you want to eat a bear, a

959
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of times how that bear will taste is very

960
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: dependent on what they're eating. For instance, if you shoot

961
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: a black bear in the fall, that has been eating

962
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: all sorts of huckleberries, that is probably going to be

963
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: a very tasty bear. If you shoot a spring bear

964
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: in southeast Alaska that's been feeding on like rotting salmon carcasses, well,

965
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: I guess not in spring, but okay, in autumn. If

966
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: you shoot a a black bear in Alaska that's been

967
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: like eating rotting salmon carcasses, that is not going to

968
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: be a delicious bear. I would have to imagine that

969
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: a possum, which presumably eats a bunch of trash, Yeah,

970
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: feces of homeless people, things like that. Cheez Joe, what

971
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: beat decent. I'm just saying it's an opportunistic feeder that

972
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: is in a city environment. For all that is foul anyway, Okay, Uh,

973
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: moving on, a mackerel eating straw are poacher's even possums? Uh,

974
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Phil and then we're gonna hear

975
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: right out of it there, and we're gonna hear from

976
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna hear from Joe, who's going to tell

977
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: us what the hell is on the end of his line.

978
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: But I will say what it's gonna catch you is

979
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: probably more delicious than possum and stripers, we're back to

980
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: stock trout. The winner this week is Joe Surmelie. Joe,

981
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: your story got me thinking about what we would all

982
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: be attracted to if we were fish. I was thinking

983
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Hayden would be attracted to a dime bag in an

984
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: off brand zip block. Joe, you would probably go for

985
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: one of those bargain bin DVDs. It has like five

986
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: full screen movies on one disc, but it would all

987
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: be like eighties comedies that no one's thought of in

988
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: about thirty eight years, and I would probably just go

989
00:50:48,600 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: for a McDonald straw. Well, that's not loud enough. These days,

990
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: there is no shortage of conventional lures that imitate terrestrial

991
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and aquatic insects. Now, I'm not talking about flies here,

992
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about things meant to be cast on your

993
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: trusty spinning rod. And for the most part, this is

994
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: all thanks to major advances in the soft plastics realm.

995
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: From fake maggots to rubber crickets to stretchy dragonflies, modern

996
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: soft plastics have given us the ability to cast fish

997
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: food imitations that we couldn't just ten or twenty years ago.

998
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: Now it's not that fake bugs haven't existed for a

999
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: long time, because they have. But if you compare say

1000
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: a rubber frog or even a worm from the seventies

1001
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: or eighties to those we have now, you can't deny

1002
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: that they just have more life. They're not stiff and

1003
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: rigid things molded around a hook. But while so many

1004
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: companies tried to push less than perfect rubber imitations for

1005
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: so many years, one company went all in on the

1006
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: buggy hardbeat. And I'm talking about rebel. We've discussed the

1007
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: rebel crickhopper in this segment before, and I've been fighting

1008
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: Instagram wars ever since because I said, I don't really

1009
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: like the rebel crickhopper. It's not that I've never caught

1010
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: fish on these tiny, popping and diving grasshopper cricket hybrid lures.

1011
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: It's just that it's never become a go to for me.

1012
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: I've never found a scenario where where that was the

1013
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: ringer above all else. But the crick hopper isn't the

1014
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: only for a rebel has ever taken into hard body bugs.

1015
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: And while I may not reach for that crickhopper very often,

1016
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: I will reach for their helgram might crank bait. Despite

1017
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: my best research efforts. I don't know exactly when the

1018
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: rebel helgram might hit shelves, but I know it's existed

1019
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: since at least the mid nineties because I had them

1020
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: as a kid. For those unfamiliar, the rebel helgra might

1021
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: is exactly what it sounds like, a tiny, hard plastic

1022
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: helgram might with little rubber legs and a tiny diving lip.

1023
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: They are available in one size and one size, on

1024
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: that being one and three quarter inches. They weigh a

1025
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: mere three thirty seconds of an ounce, which means they

1026
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: are meant to be fished on ultra light tackle, say

1027
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: two or four pound test. I bought my first rebel

1028
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: helgramite after an observation that is forever burned into my brain.

1029
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I was twelve or thirteen and just had a successful

1030
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: day catching early may stock trout on my usual offerings

1031
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: of panther Martin's and meal worms. One of those trout

1032
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: was a nice seventeen inch rainbow, and when I gutted

1033
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: it in the river forehead and home, something looked odd

1034
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: about its stomach, so I slid it open and out

1035
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: popped a giant helgramite. Now, at the time I had

1036
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: no idea what the hell it was. I just knew

1037
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: it was weird and ugly and scared me a little.

1038
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: When I brought this up to the fellows at the

1039
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: local tackle joint, they of course knew right away, explaining

1040
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: that live ones aren't easy to get, but they are

1041
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: some of the most potent baits you can use in

1042
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: fresh water, especially for trout and smallmouths. Meantime, they said,

1043
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: maybe try this here, rebel helgra might. I did try it,

1044
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't catch ship, and that's because I was

1045
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: casting and reeling it like a regular crankbait. But that's

1046
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: not how the rebel helgramite is designed to work. I

1047
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: actually learned this from something I read not long after

1048
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: in in Fisherman. These lures sink slowly, and the idea

1049
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: is to reel just fast enough to get the little

1050
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: might ticking and banging over the rocks on the bottom. Truthfully,

1051
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: the lord doesn't have a ton of action, but it

1052
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: doesn't need it. It just needs to look like a

1053
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: helgram might moving from one little hiding spot to another.

1054
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: Armed with this information, I lost about ten rebel helgram

1055
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: mites in the next two seasons, diligently banging them off

1056
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: the rocks and praying they didn't get stuck. I had

1057
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: about given up on the lore until I had a

1058
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: real eye opener. It was maybe two seasons after I

1059
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: caught that trout with the helgram might in its gut

1060
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: that I stuck an eighteen inch brown in a hole

1061
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: that did just been bombarded by other anglers. When I

1062
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: showed up at the river, they were four guys pumbling it.

1063
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: So I walked way downstream and on the way back

1064
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: they were gone. This was one of those deep, dark,

1065
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: mysterious bridge holes. So I figured I'd send something out

1066
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: that the pile of trout likely in it hadn't seen,

1067
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: and I braced myself for a snag like I often

1068
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: did with the Rebel helber mte. But on the second retrieve,

1069
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: that tiny mite came to a dead stop, and when

1070
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: I swung this time, it wasn't a rock. I've caught

1071
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of trout on the Rebel Helgramtes since, but

1072
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I've learned that for me, at least, it's a tool

1073
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: with a specific application as a replacement for spinners or

1074
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: small jerk baits. I don't really see the magic, but

1075
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: in those deep, slow holes it has pulled a rabbit

1076
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: out of the hat for me on numerous occasions. Is

1077
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: it really that stock trout key in on helgram mites

1078
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: with more ferocity? I don't know, Or is it just

1079
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: a very different presentation from percent of what these fish see.

1080
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure, but to this day it's rare

1081
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: for me to leave a good hole without bouncing that

1082
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: lore through at least three or four times. Still hoping

1083
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't lose it now. As for the rebel bumblebee

1084
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: crank bait, I still haven't figured that one out. It

1085
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: does even less for me than the crick hopper, but

1086
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll stand by and let the bumblebee fanatics tear me

1087
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: up in the bent inbox. So there you go. You

1088
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: now have a new lure that doesn't fall in the

1089
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: traditional opening day categories to throw for those pellet heads.

1090
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Well. The the the rebel helga

1091
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: might is definitely something I need to get in my

1092
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: arsenal as I as I broaden my conventional fishing horizons.

1093
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: But seeing that I'm both from p A and left

1094
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: to fly fish, we we we cannot have a more

1095
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: fitting question for the bent helpline UH this week to

1096
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: round out our opening day themed episode. What do you

1097
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: laughing at Martini? You're not an idiot, You're out of damlooning.

1098
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Help all, you're a fisherman. What's your so today? On

1099
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: the bent Helpline Archery kid asks very succinctly, uh, top

1100
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: ten trout flies for Pennsylvania, And I put an asterix

1101
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: next to this, and I said, let's just have a

1102
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: conversation about our top ten trout flies in general, because

1103
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, aside from like if you're fishing, like you know,

1104
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: if you try and bring your Hendrickson's out here, um like,

1105
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: Hendrickson's don't really exist, so like that's like kind of

1106
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: one of the few, um, I guess times where you

1107
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: can look at something and be like, maybe not maybe

1108
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: not applicable everywhere. But for the most part, I think

1109
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: flies are generally you know, if if a fly works here,

1110
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: it'll probably work over there. Everybody of water, every region

1111
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: has like little nuances, but in general, if we're talking

1112
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: about trout flies across the board, these ten that Joe

1113
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: and I are about to give you will work everywhere,

1114
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 1: and the work well, okay, well my five are mop fly,

1115
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: mop fly, mop fly, mop fly, at least for p

1116
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: a uh, you know you can if you want to

1117
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: scratch the wooly bugger and just get a salmon egg

1118
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: saying that works too. So I'm kidding, of course, Um,

1119
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: I do agree with what you said, barring barring a

1120
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: few caveats, like there there are some things that I

1121
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: think are critical out west, that salmon flies and ship Yeah. Well,

1122
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: now I was I was because I was gonna say,

1123
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say stimmies. I was gonna say stimulated

1124
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: Like that is to me, you don't fish out west

1125
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: without some stimulators. Whereas that idea of just throwing something

1126
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: big and honking out there in the east and you're

1127
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: gonna get a fish to come up and eat it. No,

1128
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying out here in the east, right, No, no, No,

1129
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: What I'm what I'm saying is like you can go

1130
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: out west in the middle of the summer and regardless

1131
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: of of the hatches a lot of times, right, if

1132
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: you present a stimmy, a big and these are these

1133
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: are big dry flies that represent a million things, right.

1134
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: They can be a stone fly, a grasshopper. It's just

1135
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: like a general imitation. Um, good chance you get a

1136
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: cutty or something to come up and sip that whereas

1137
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: out here on the East Coast, I think, Um, it's

1138
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: not that it's not that easy to do that there there,

1139
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: they're there. You're you're more inclined to catch dry fly

1140
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: fish on a specific hatch than just kind of blinding

1141
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: a stimulator around. But beyond a few things like that,

1142
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: um Man, I firmly believe, I'm trying to think what

1143
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: my five dude, I believe, like, if you have an

1144
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: atoms in a million different sizes, you have just covered

1145
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: pretty much every hatch on the planet everywhere, right and then.

1146
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: And that's not entirely true, but it kind of is too,

1147
00:59:51,720 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: especially in low light in the evening. Okay, um, hair's here, nymph,

1148
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: uh hare's I like a hair's ere, Adams hair's ear,

1149
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: Prince nymph, wooly bugger and uh zonker Man, I mean

1150
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: you can catch if I had to chop one elk hair,

1151
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: cadis right. I think that's like if you've got Elk

1152
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: hairs and you've got Adams man, you are covered for

1153
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff as long as you have been

1154
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of different sizes. That's the thing with flies

1155
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: most of the time, if you're getting refused the size

1156
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: not the color exactly less. So with nymphs, I go,

1157
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: I go, size profile color. Those are like my order

1158
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: of like operations. If I'm trying to narrow something downright.

1159
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: Um So, my my top five are pheasant tail, pheasant tail,

1160
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: pheasant tail, pheasant tail fly. No, no, they're pheasant tail,

1161
01:00:54,600 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Griffith's and that. Uh. I love a man. It's a dude.

1162
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I just hate fishing him. I love him.

1163
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: I hate fishing him. Well, we'll get onto that, but

1164
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: compare it on a bunny leech and a rusty spinner.

1165
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: Those are my Those are my top five for trout. Yeah, no,

1166
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: for sure. I also think you know it's funny because

1167
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: we're joking about mop flies and ship but without knowing

1168
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: like his m O. Because if he's fishing like Pine

1169
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: Creek during high Stoker season, the list we gave you

1170
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: is pretty much worthless in which case like mop fly,

1171
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: San Juan salmon egg. But like that's a very valid

1172
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: list too. So without knowing, if we're talking about wildfish,

1173
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: we should have done Stoker native and then the stock

1174
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: how close. I'll tell you. Well, I'll tell you I

1175
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: have a story tied to that. Years ago. I covered

1176
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: Um I hosted uh something for Field and Stream that

1177
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: was on TV called the Total Outdoorsman Challenge and there

1178
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: was a fly fishing part and I was like a

1179
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: commentator and uh, I need delicious down in Dogwood Canyon,

1180
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: um in Missouri, and you have all these like you know,

1181
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: these these dudes that think they're all hardcore, and I'm

1182
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: like going to each from them. I'm like, what pattern

1183
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: are you throwing on this beat? And they're like, uh,

1184
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: dead egg. I'm like, what's a dead egg? And it

1185
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: was a salmon fly that was just light brown. But

1186
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't they just could not bring themselves to say pellets.

1187
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, you know, like when the eggs

1188
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: rot a little bit and get discolored in water. Egg.

1189
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, get out of here with that ship a

1190
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: dead egg? Kidding me? A pellet fly? Fly man. I

1191
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: remember when I was like when I was a kid. Um.

1192
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: It was on a creek out by your neck of

1193
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: the woods man, and there was this older guy who

1194
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: was just watching me stroggle and watching me stroggle and

1195
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: watching me struggle, and he goes, you want to catch

1196
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: some fish? I'm like, uh huh, yeah, definitely do. He goes, Okay,

1197
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: here tie this on. And I'm tying on this fly,

1198
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like moving over by like the bank,

1199
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: and he's like kind of like reaching into the stuff,

1200
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of wondering what the hell he's doing,

1201
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: and uh, he goes you ready. I was like, well, yeah,

1202
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: and he had a handful of like gravel, like really

1203
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: tiny gravel, like throws it out there. All this time

1204
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: he goes cast cast trout came right up and he

1205
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: thought he was Yeah, I thought he was throwing a

1206
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: bunch of pellots in. Um. Anyway, here, let's let's let's

1207
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: talk just like seriously about like these flies for a secondly.

1208
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: Probably I just want to go list real quickly and

1209
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: actually helped the fellow. Uh, pheasant tails are great, man. Um.

1210
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm doing a in in the nearer. I

1211
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be at the time

1212
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: that this comes out or before or after it, but

1213
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing a end of the line on on pheasant

1214
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: tail nymps because they are my absolute favorites. Very rarely

1215
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: will you see me nim fishing and that not be

1216
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: the first thing that I tie on. I just think

1217
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: it's like one of the best imitations that there ever was.

1218
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: I like a variety with like a CDC hackle. It's

1219
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: just a great buggy, all purpose nymph and it just

1220
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: works very well. Uh, Griffith snap. That's because I don't

1221
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: like tying midges. And if you don't know, Griffith snap

1222
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: is just a it's supposed to imitate, you know, a

1223
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: a midge like cluster. Yeah, it's a cluster. Yeah. And

1224
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: while all it is, it's really easy to tie, and

1225
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: you can and you can time on all sorts of

1226
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: like size I I typically have them in my box

1227
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: from about sixteen or and eighteen all the way down

1228
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 1: to like I've tied twenty six is before they're getting

1229
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: like negative note it doesn't actually exist. It's like a

1230
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: negative number, it's there. Yeah, And all it is is

1231
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: just peacock hurl wrapped around a hook and then you

1232
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: hackle the entire length of the hook with a a

1233
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: a grizzle hackle. Um. And that's why I do pretty

1234
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: much all my midge fishing with because it works well.

1235
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: I can tie a million of them real quick. And

1236
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, when you're fish like a fly that small,

1237
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: you're liable to break off them more often, So like

1238
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: it saves me from just like being forever frustrated device

1239
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: and like lamenting that I just lost atoms on my backcast.

1240
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: I'll throw one more extra player out there. I'm gonna

1241
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: throw a nomination down for the freaking zug bug. Why

1242
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: does nobody talk about the zug bug? You know what?

1243
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: Zug bug is the spinner bait of the damn fly world.

1244
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: And I catch the ship out of trout, or used to,

1245
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: at least on zug bugs. I think it's because it's

1246
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: just like to me, it catches too many trout. That's

1247
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: the problem. It's like reeks of like the Old Guard, right,

1248
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: like reeks of like a fly made on a chalk

1249
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: stream in like you know, I'm sure that that is

1250
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: not where that comes from. Well, I was gonna say, man,

1251
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: you gotta watch what you say there, because I've I've

1252
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: edited some pieces and interviewed some folks who swear up

1253
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: and down that if you, if, if, if people today

1254
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: would just get their head around old Guard wet fly fishing,

1255
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: not nimp d wet fly fishing, you will smoke everybody

1256
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: on the river every single time. Hatch no hatch like you.

1257
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's one of the first days. One of

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Speaker 1: the first days that I ever did truly great fly

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Speaker 1: fishing was doing just that, was swinging a partridge soft tackle. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and nobody doesn't. And I like, I've heard, I've heard

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Speaker 1: the hype for years. Have I Have I gotten myself

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Speaker 1: a set of partridge soft tackles? I have not, But

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Speaker 1: you know, there's something to be said about old school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: moving on like a comparadn man, I think that works

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Speaker 1: really well. I like how it sits so low in

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Speaker 1: the water, it has like the right profile. They're easy

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Speaker 1: to tie. You can bang out a bunch of them real,

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Speaker 1: real quick. And uh, I've always had good luck on those,

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Speaker 1: particularly when I've been like dealing with kind of selective fish.

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, Are you going to break down every

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Speaker 1: single one of your picks like this, Because I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna tell dude, everything I said is in the

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Speaker 1: Walmart starter kit. Just go and purchase that. They're all

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Speaker 1: in there, Adams, the Elk Care, the Prince Nim Bunny

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Speaker 1: leech is a good easy streamer and rusty spinners. If

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Speaker 1: you want to get frustrated about eight thirty at night, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then tie on a mouse and catch a real one. Boom. Anyway, Um, dude,

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Speaker 1: I know that's kind of all over the place, but

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Speaker 1: but you actually think you're asking like a very simple question,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's not really that easy to to to

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Speaker 1: sum up, I'm joking about Walmart, but not too like truly.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the things I brought up are in

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Speaker 1: your classic like trout starter flies, and they're there for

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Speaker 1: a reason. That's the stuff when I first started fly fishing,

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Speaker 1: that's what I bought, the Wooly Bugger pack, and I

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Speaker 1: caught plenty of fish on it. So, uh, don't overthink

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Speaker 1: it too much. And I would say, don't get lost

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Speaker 1: in you know, there's all Rainbow Warrior and the guns

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Speaker 1: up about a gun slinger and all that go down.

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Speaker 1: That go down, man, Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I hope that

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Speaker 1: helped you a little bit. If we if we miss

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Speaker 1: something for PA or elsewhere, if you guys are like,

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01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: how could you not mention the insert fly name here?

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Speaker 1: Let us know. And if you've got more questions that

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Speaker 1: we can answer, please keep sending those two bent at

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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com. So that's it for this week.

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Speaker 1: If you live squarely in the land of wild trout,

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Speaker 1: sorry you had to suffer through that. But we're trying

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Speaker 1: to teach you about a different culture here. Okay, man

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Speaker 1: Stocker's count Yeah, and archery kid if reference to your birthday,

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Speaker 1: you're almost thirty. Your your archery adult now. Anyway, keep

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Speaker 1: using the Degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags. We really

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Speaker 1: do love seeing what you guys are up to. Maybe

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Speaker 1: an opening day stocky s fest, Yeah, that would be good.

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Speaker 1: And hey, if you're a p A resident going to

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Speaker 1: hit the opener tomorrow, Remember wearing studded boots makes it

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Speaker 1: easier to kick children out of your favorite spot. It

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Speaker 1: Flies are the easiest to tie, and to quote John Gearak,

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Speaker 1: there are only two types of people on the river.

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Speaker 1: Folks are fishing with any assholes