1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: As this is the primal screen of a dying regime. 2 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on 3 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: these people. There's not going to free shot. All these 4 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: networks lying about the people. The people have had a 5 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. 6 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 2: I know you tried to do everything in the world 7 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: to stop there, but you're not going to stop it. 8 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: It's going to happen. 9 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: And where do people like that go to share the 10 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: big line? 11 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: Mega media? 12 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 5: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of 13 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: these people had a conscience. 14 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? 15 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country. 16 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: Will be saved. 17 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 6: Wom here's your host, Stephen k. 18 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: Bat It's Wednesday, one January and the ear of alert 19 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Boys, that kind of roll off the tongue, 20 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: love that twenty twenty five. Raheem Cassam, founder publisher, editor 21 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: in chief of National Pulse, joins me. Raheem, we've had 22 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: a quite fascinating first off that the photo you took 23 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: of the dinner, and if we can get the photo up, 24 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: you get a chance of the Constantinople t shirt has 25 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: gone megaviral before I get you to think deep thoughts 26 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: of the techno feudalism, in the future, of the mega 27 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: movement and where the country's going. Why did we kind 28 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: of not did it as a goof? It was a 29 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: very specific gift for my brother. We talk about this 30 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: a lot. You know, we're very focused on the Orthodox 31 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: Church and in the Roman Catholic Church. Are those that 32 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: were getting back together with Protestant Christianity to really, you know, 33 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: get Christianity under one roof, at least under one coalition. 34 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: Why do you think it hits such a big nerve? 35 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: Why does this thing have millions? Why did your post 36 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: then go megaviral? And as every talk show in Turkey 37 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: is covering it. 38 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks Steve, and happy New Year to all the 39 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 7: war and Parsi into yourself and all the guests on 40 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 7: this show. Certainly been an interesting twelve months and certainly 41 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 7: been an interesting, let's say, last twelve days. 42 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: I had the great. 43 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 7: Pleasure of seeing Stephen k Ban in a very different environment, 44 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 7: as you were kind enough to invite me to your 45 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 7: family Christmas lunch and seeing and hearing from. 46 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: All of your all the stories that I heard that day. 47 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 7: See, we'll keep those maybe for another time, but I 48 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 7: guess we created some stories that evening as well, because, 49 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 7: as you say, your brother gives you this free constantinople 50 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 7: T shirt, you hold it up, we take a picture, 51 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 7: post it out there, and you're right, not a goof, 52 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 7: but kind of like kind of a provocation honestly, maybe 53 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 7: a little bit lighthearted in the way we did it, 54 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 7: you know, posting it to X. But really this actually 55 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 7: dovetails with the other conversation that I think we're going 56 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 7: to have here, which is about tech feudalism and the 57 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 7: insistence of you know, a lot of these kind of atheistic, 58 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 7: you know, post Enlightenment thinkers who are talking about having 59 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 7: a you know, a benevolent dictator, a benevolent monarch that 60 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 7: plucked from Silicon Valley to rule over, to rule over, 61 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 7: a new American governance settlement. You know, this actually is 62 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 7: is a grounding mechanism, and I think a grounding force 63 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 7: for those of us who actually think, well, actually, the 64 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 7: American founders pretty much got it right and instead of 65 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 7: looking to these kind of niche crazy ideas about how 66 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 7: how you govern, you know, not just the United States 67 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 7: of America, but we're talking about Mars at the moment 68 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 7: as well. Actually, we'd be better served in looking backwards 69 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 7: to the great American founding in the ideas that that 70 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 7: spurred on. You go prior to that, of course, and 71 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 7: you talk about Christendom, and you talk about the Westphalian treaties, 72 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 7: and you talk about what it meant to keep this 73 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 7: kind of patchwork of nation states at least trying to 74 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 7: keep them from warring with each other, and recognizing actually 75 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 7: that there is a God given or a God ordained, 76 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 7: a mandatory, you know, philosophy that we should follow that 77 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 7: seeks to restore Christianity to its rightful place, not just 78 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 7: in your homes, not just in your schools, but all 79 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 7: across the Western world. And that is kind of what 80 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 7: triggers all of these people so much. And it triggers, 81 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 7: you know, the atheistic postmodernists as much as it triggers 82 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 7: the increasingly Islamized Turks. And we've seen how Urduwan in 83 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 7: Turkey has used Islamism to prop himself up, has used 84 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 7: I guess, the spiritual influence, you know, And you have 85 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 7: to bear in mind all of the different machinations that 86 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 7: are going on at the same time here remember how 87 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 7: just how many mosques and migrants the Turks have been 88 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 7: sponsoring into Germany and all across Europe as well. So 89 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 7: it's natural and necessary that we sort of come to 90 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 7: blows over that conversation. As I say, as perhaps tongue 91 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 7: in cheek is posting something like that two x was, 92 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 7: it speaks to a wider civilization or clash. 93 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: We talk about the civilization of class. Johne's going to 94 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: join us. You talked about Christendom here in with Ertawan 95 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: in the re establishment of the Ottoman Empire, because his 96 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: goal is to re establish the caliphate that fell apart 97 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: at World War One with the Arab revolt Lawrence of Arabia, 98 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: Allen b the British Army, all of it, and to 99 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: take back to two holy sites and re establish the 100 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Turks as the senior member Visa VI, the Persians and 101 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: the Egyptians in the Beto Wines of the the uh As, 102 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: the as the really the leaders of the Islamic faith. 103 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: The one thing you can say about it, they're quite 104 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: religious people, right, I mean, this is all And he said, 105 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, Ben said earlier, the history, their history is 106 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: in the strictly linked with their current actions. They can 107 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: tell you about alan By and Damascus, they can tell 108 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: you about Lawrence of Arabia. They could go back the 109 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: thousand years to Vienna, and it's like it happened today. 110 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: They've interwoven history as they go forward here in the 111 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: in the West. As Joe Allen, what will tell us 112 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: here in a second, it's been a totally you know, 113 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: we've we've thrown off quote unquote what the at least 114 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: feels the shackles of Christianity, the shackles of the underpinnings 115 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: of the Judeo Christian West. And at the very moment 116 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: where we have these confrontations on civilizational kind of I 117 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: don't want to say conflict, but at least uh uh, 118 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: you know, as as rivals pure rivals, at the very 119 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: moment we've we've totally jettus and that for this neo feudalism. 120 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: That's really this kind of techno neo feudalism, which I 121 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: think is personified in the singularity or in Elon Musk 122 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: colonization of Mars, which to me kind of avoids the 123 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: central problem of how does one live here on earth 124 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: and live in them in the best way possible. Raheem 125 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: your thoughts far bringing joy Aalen. 126 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, what does it speak? 127 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 7: What do both of those sides speak to in their 128 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 7: in their opposition. What are they speaking against effectively? And 129 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 7: that the answer to that question is human agency? Uh, 130 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 7: they want to take and and you know, I read 131 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 7: a bunch of this stuff, whether it's curts Yarvin, you know, 132 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 7: and all that kind of stuff. 133 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: And time and time again. 134 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 7: What you see here is an invocation of the idea 135 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 7: that we are surfs, right, and we and we serve 136 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 7: you know whoever, and. 137 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: He says so himself. 138 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 4: A lot of these people say so themselves. 139 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 7: This arbitrary power that that just happens to spring into 140 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 7: action because we decide communally somewhere along the lines that hey, 141 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 7: we actually don't know what we're doing, and we need 142 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 7: somebody you know, who's smarter than us and more you know, 143 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 7: it can be a benevolent dictator to guide us. And 144 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 7: that is a very important distinction between kind of working 145 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 7: class populism which but you know knows knows this audience 146 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 7: knows and understands history, knows and understands their place in history, 147 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 7: knows and understands, you know, what we need to bring 148 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 7: it back versus the people who kind of look at 149 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 7: everything and go, ah, you know, it didn't quite work out. 150 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 7: The founders had some good ideas, it was very cute 151 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 7: and all that, but we're going to leave all of 152 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 7: that in the past and move on to something extremely 153 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 7: different and very hard to pin down and extremely actually 154 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 7: quite dangerous if you listen to some of these people. 155 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 4: It's such an important distinction. 156 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 7: I know it's a very heavy topic, but I encourage 157 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 7: people because you know, we have I mean, I don't 158 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 7: know if we really have four years here. You know, 159 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 7: we have a twelve to eighteen month period here where 160 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 7: there's a lot going to get done. 161 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: But then the rest. 162 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 7: Of that period of time of the second Trump term 163 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 7: is going to be looking towards the future and what 164 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 7: the future pretends, you know, not just for the Republicans 165 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 7: as a political party, but for the move for the 166 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 7: wider movement and for the wider Western world. These are 167 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 7: big questions. They're not just coming down the pipeline. They're 168 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 7: hitting us in the face right now, and and and 169 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 7: this is what we need to get serious about. 170 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, ever a second, raheem, let me bring in 171 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: Joe a lot of folks don't know that Joe was 172 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: actually a theology major at Boston University. I think you 173 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: got a master's there, exactly like doctor Martin Luther King 174 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: when where he got his PhD. So Joe talk to 175 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: us about you got the you got the Our sociopathic 176 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: tech overlords are kind of creating. I don't know if 177 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: it's a new religion or this tech feudalism and this 178 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: dark enlightenment of uh was it? Curtis Jarvin? 179 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 5: Your thoughts brother, well, Steve raheem, Happy new Year and 180 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 5: happy new Year to the posse. Sorry my voice is 181 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 5: not exactly here. I am a subject to human frailty 182 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 5: like everyone else. You know this, this subject of civilizational 183 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 5: transformation that you guys are hitting on. 184 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: Everything we're seeing is a symptom of that. 185 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 5: A big part of it is the breakdown of Christendom 186 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 5: over the past few centuries among elites, but even that 187 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: has trickled down to the wider populace. A big thing 188 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 5: driving that is the elevation of scientific facts, laws, principles, 189 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 5: theories above religious conceptions of the world. And as that 190 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 5: scientific worldview has become clearer and more coherent, the religious 191 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 5: worldview is less and less able to be attached to it. 192 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: Right, The early scientists were Christians. The early science was. 193 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: A way of describing God's creation. But more and more 194 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 5: it's become an entity of its own. So you have 195 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 5: this big, dead, clockwork universe that doesn't like you and 196 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 5: doesn't care about you. What do you do in response 197 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 5: to that? You try to take control of it. You 198 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 5: try to terraform the universe in a way that is 199 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 5: friendlier to you, the lowly and lonely human on planet Earth, 200 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 5: the dirt ball spinning around the Sun. That is where 201 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 5: all of this sort of techno religion comes into play. 202 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: It isn't a techno religion, I would say. 203 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 5: But it's many different techno religions that are competing for 204 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: dominance as science and technology are held up as the 205 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 5: highest powers, not just on Earth necessarily, but if there 206 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 5: are no aliens to save us, then the entire universe 207 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 5: and Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, even 208 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 5: to some extent I would say, guys like Jeff Bezos 209 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 5: and certainly Sam Altman, their project is to create a 210 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: greater intelligence than human beings. Artificial intelligence traditionally the greatest 211 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 5: intelligence was, of course divinity. Now in this kind of 212 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 5: dead clockwork universe that these people inhabit within their own minds, 213 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 5: the only solution to the problem of human frailty and 214 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 5: human stupidity is to create a greater intelligence to better 215 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 5: organize the human self and to better realize the human self. 216 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: And of course the outward project is to better organize 217 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 5: society alcaucracy. 218 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: In essence, Hang on one second, Joe Allen and rahem 219 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: Issam are here with us to kick off the new year. 220 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: I can't think of two better guys. Just had Ben Harnweld. 221 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: Pretty good team, Happy New Year. We're going to take 222 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: a short commercial break. We're in return in a moment. 223 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: Beautiful music will take you out. I want to talk 224 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: about this new techno religion and what it means practically 225 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: from MAGA and practically for the United States of America 226 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: in Trump's second term, which kicks off in I don't 227 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: know twenty days, if it hasn't already kicked off. Short 228 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: commercial break back in a. 229 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 8: Moment, Good oh luck way terms be for God. 230 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 6: And never brought to them? Should all the Cretans be 231 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: for God? In the days of all lends on. 232 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 8: Land? Idea for. 233 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 6: Land, a count for conscale. 234 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 8: Let me look say Bob the leg. 235 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 9: Quick shoo, oh my talk weirdly come. 236 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 8: CLIs want to say. 237 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 9: The less. 238 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Well from Waterloo Bridge in nineteen forty That was the 239 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: top of our game, right thirty nine, forty forty one. 240 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: Like I said, Vivian Lee, gone with the win not 241 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: a bad role, gone with the win in thirty nine 242 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: Waterloo Bridge and forty that Hamilton woman in nineteen forty one. 243 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Rahim Curtis Jarvin. I know Joe Allen knows a lot 244 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: about I'm gonna get his talk about the Curtis Jarvid 245 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: and this whole concept of the dark Enlightenment, and we're 246 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: going to get into the practical how that's going to 247 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: play it in our politics. But this is one of 248 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: the ideas because these guys barred up with this, the phony, 249 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: total phony scam of h one b Visas, how they've 250 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: tried to eviscerate the American middle class. And we've won 251 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: this unconditionally. We're gonna win it unconditionally, and we're gonna 252 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: make sure they go away and that these folks are 253 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: deported amer workers take their jobs, and I think reparations 254 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: have to be paid. Let's go back to the railhead 255 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: of how this all started, this kind of techno feudalism, 256 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: this dark underbelly. We got Elon Musk. On one hand, 257 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: he's trying to go to Mars and colins Mars, and 258 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: the other he's chipping people and working on artificial general 259 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: intelligence AGI, which is Joe Allen just told us, is 260 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: the is you know, when you talk about the singularity, 261 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: that is getting the intelligence of the machine to be 262 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: greater than the sum of our human intelligence. 263 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: Sir, Yeah, Steve, You've got to remember as well. And 264 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 7: for the audience kind of getting getting their heads around this. 265 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 7: I know a lot of people already do. But for 266 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 7: those who have just sort of experiencing this, the Muskus 267 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 7: of the world have already decided in their minds where 268 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 7: the future of humankind lays. 269 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Right. 270 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 7: This is not something that you can convince them away from. 271 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 7: They're not putting feelers out there, they're not flying a 272 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 7: kite on AGI or any of this stuff. They have 273 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 7: they have set a course in their minds for you know, 274 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 7: mass automation. 275 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: Virtually everything. 276 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 7: You're going to start hearing the universal basic income arguments again. 277 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 7: You'll start hearing the arguments for the implementation. 278 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: Hangar a second chip, hang a second, hanger a second 279 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: I want to go back to that this is not 280 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: something they're running up the flagpole and sees who salutes. Okay, 281 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: they don't really care about what war Room thinks about this. 282 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: They don't care about Joe Allen's dark An, they don't 283 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: care about Maga, and they don't care what this audience. 284 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: They don't care about the tip of the tip of spirit, 285 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: and they particularly don't care what Donald Trump thinks about this. 286 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: I want to go back. This is absolutely central, as 287 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: we saw with Davos, and this year at Davos is 288 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: on the same Davas case of us on the same 289 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: day as the inauguration, and we're going to have you know, 290 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: a nor Bin Laden there as our correspondent, and we're 291 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: going to cut between the inauguration and because Davos is 292 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: only a year ago, you had the opening of artificial intelligence, 293 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: and I said, the pouring in of capital. Now literally 294 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars have been raised into artificial intelligence, 295 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: and the horses out of the barn. You're going to 296 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: have a very tough time if you can possibly even 297 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: put it back. But go back to your point. They're 298 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: not looking for your approval, audience. They're not looking They 299 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 2: don't care what you think about this. They don't care 300 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: about how you're going to try to stop this. They're not, 301 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: like I said, running it up the flagpole and seeing 302 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: who salutes. They're going down a very definitive path about this. 303 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 7: Raheem Cassan, Yeah, that's right, and it's a very important 304 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 7: point that you make about you know how much money 305 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 7: has been sunk into this already. They're not going to 306 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 7: turn around and just oh right, okay, we didn't realize 307 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 7: you guys didn't want that. We'll back off and away 308 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 7: from it. They have in their heads already reached the singularity, right. 309 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 7: That is a phetacompley that this is a conversation that 310 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 7: they've been having for decades now, and they've already deployed 311 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 7: the capital and deployed. 312 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: The resources to get there. 313 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 7: They are They don't they're not looking for partners in you, 314 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 7: in me, in any of the audience members. 315 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 4: They're looking for serfs. 316 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 7: They are looking for people who will obey what Jarvin 317 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 7: refers to as arbitrary power. In I think it was 318 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 7: a two thousand and eight essay that he wrote about 319 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 7: how all of this stuff will come to pass, and 320 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 7: it requires it doesn't require any of your adherents. It 321 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 7: doesn't require you to vote for this thing. The the 322 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 7: rejection of representation as a governance mechanism, which is which 323 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 7: is rampant amongst this crowd. By the way, and by 324 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 7: the way, don't underestimate just how many people adhere to 325 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 7: this without necessarily speaking up to it. I meet people 326 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 7: all the time on the political right who are fully 327 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 7: fledged believers in this way of thinking, which is at 328 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 7: its core wildly authoritarian, and its core negates human agency definitionally. 329 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 7: By the way, it's not a sub it's not a 330 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 7: byproduct of their philosophy. It actually requires them to negate 331 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 7: your human agency and reject you as a stakeholder and 332 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 7: participant in the future of human civilization in order to 333 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 7: get to where they're going. 334 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 4: So this is serfdom one oh one. 335 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 7: We've seen this throughout human history, but we're now seeing it, 336 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 7: and I know Joe knows far more about it than 337 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 7: I do. We're now seeing at a far more dangerous 338 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 7: level because this is where tech comes into play here, 339 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 7: this is where automation comes into play. This is where 340 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 7: your decision making processes are stripped from you and you 341 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 7: become a member of the borg. 342 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: Right, Joe, jump in here your thoughts. 343 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. You know, Curtis Jarvin is 344 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 5: an interesting thinker. I've always found his ideas to be stimulating, 345 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: but especially his early stuff when he was still writing 346 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: as Mincius Moulbug. But increasingly he is put towards that, 347 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 5: you know, what is oftentimes called the dark Enlightenment. You know, 348 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 5: this idea of a red Caesar emerging, this return to 349 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 5: a monarchical governmental and civilizational structure. 350 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: I don't have any place in that, so I have 351 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: no time for it. 352 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 5: And this idea that the kind of lower IQ or 353 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: lower socioeconomic populations should be serfs. 354 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 3: Is abhorrent to me. But even more abhorrent is. 355 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 5: This notion of a kind of greater replacement of human 356 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 5: beings by AI or human beings as robots, so that 357 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 5: even as a so called serf, you don't even have 358 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: a plot to till you don't even have any value 359 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: at all. 360 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 3: You're not a useful idiot. You're a useless idiot in 361 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: that conception. 362 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 5: So you know the way that this ideological movement is pushing, 363 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: and it's not just Jarvin. I mean it goes across 364 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 5: really the board, with guys like Peter Teel and Mark 365 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: and Easton and of course Elon Musk. Not saying that 366 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 5: their adherents were necessarily some like you know, acolytes of Curtis. 367 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: Yarvin, but they are on that wavelength. 368 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 5: And that's how they were able to get so much 369 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 5: influence among the American right and the right across the 370 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 5: world is because they do speak the language of the 371 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 5: right in many ways, but ultimately it's not anything like 372 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 5: an American right because for them, America is kind of 373 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: already over. Peter Tiel is maybe the one outlier. I 374 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 5: just have to at least mention that in that he 375 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: is in some sense a Christian. He's a Catholic, albeit 376 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 5: a very unorthodox win. But even in his conception, he 377 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 5: sees the danger of AI, he sees the danger of 378 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 5: a totally kind of digitized society, but he's much more 379 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 5: concerned about the governmental measures that will be put in 380 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 5: place to control them, so that rather than worry about 381 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 5: the AI Antichrist, he's worried about a one world anti Christ. 382 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 5: And again it just kind of frames the in a 383 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 5: way in which these guys who are running these tech companies, 384 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 5: these tech investors, they still end up being on top, 385 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 5: they still end up being the primary decision makers, and 386 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 5: then on down the line, the AIS they create are 387 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 5: the primary decision makers. 388 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: I've got a minute here in this block, and then 389 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: both of you guys are going to stick around. Question 390 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: to you. Joe Allen is Raheem has made a comment 391 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: that shocked me. Have we hit the singularity? From their perspective? 392 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: Have we already hit the convergence where we're at Homo 393 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: sapien two point or at least Homo sapien one point five? 394 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 5: Sir, You know, can't give you that one in a minute, 395 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 5: but I will say this that we have absolutely reached 396 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 5: Homo sapiens one point five. That's us here, that's almost 397 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 5: everyone in the developed world. The idea of the singularity 398 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: is that moment beyond which no one can predict the future. 399 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 5: I think that we are fast approaching that not necessarily 400 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 5: super intelligent godlike AIS, but something that normal humans will 401 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 5: not be able to wrap their heads around and will 402 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: be in utter confusion going forward. 403 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: Wow, how about this to start the new year? Off 404 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: well for a reason. Happy news here, yeah, happy new 405 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: or something to think about, okay, Joe Allen, our own 406 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: Joe Allen, the editor of All Things Singularity, the transhumanism dangerous, 407 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: dangerous topic, and of course Raheem Casam, the founder and 408 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: publisher of the National Pulse. We can get all this 409 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: cutting edge analysis. We're gonna take a short break on 410 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: a New Year's Day. We're starting off with a bang. 411 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: How about this? Most people taking the day off are 412 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: very sleepy. Not here, We're on the ramparts in the 413 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: war room back in the morning. 414 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 8: Tu. 415 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 9: Quating speed fugut. 416 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 3: And day so. 417 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 4: Shoot quaits speed. 418 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 8: Fucut and day sub. 419 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 9: So fur soun mighty fall so woo. 420 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: F c suitat voice. I'm gonna go to Raheem a 421 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: second with this concept of red Caesar. But I gotta 422 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: as you, Joe, just for the audience. Is when we 423 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: talk about Peter Teal and Elon Musk and Zachberd, The's 424 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: visionaries bezos a surgery at Google is the whole concept. 425 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: When they talk about transhumanism, they talk Homo saving two 426 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: point zero. Isn't it all boiled down to one simple thing? 427 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: This is nerd nerd rule by nerd. It's nerd think 428 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: and the number one thing since none of them really 429 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: have maybe teal side, none of them really believe in 430 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: the faith of the Judeo Christian West. I'm not sure 431 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: any of them have any real religious faith except for 432 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: this new techno religion. Isn't this project just about eternal life? 433 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: That they can get eternal life? They're absolutely panicked about 434 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: leaving this valeteers and their whole efforts are really to 435 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: extend their lives principally for eternity. Sir. 436 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 5: That is definitely a strong, strong thread. I mean, there's 437 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: some MSK would be maybe an exception to that, at least. 438 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 4: In his rhetoric. 439 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: But Ray Kurzweil is kind of the Godfather, you. 440 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: Know, one of the people who really put this idea 441 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 5: in the public consciousness. 442 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: You could upload your soul. 443 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 5: Then you have guys like Brian Johnson, now the kind 444 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 5: of you know, modern day vampire who uses technology to 445 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 5: monitor every bit of his physiological function so that you 446 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: can optimize it, and he says, don't die, We'll live forever. 447 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean that's absolutely one of the central themes. 448 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 5: I mean, basically, any you take any abstract concept from religion, 449 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: whether it be Christianity or any other mainline religion, whether 450 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: it be higher power God or God's whether it be 451 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: the human soul or in their case like neurological patterns, 452 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 5: or whether it be like the extension of that soul 453 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 5: into the future, beyond this life. And for them again, 454 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 5: it's like uploading your soul, having an AI basically be. 455 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: A clone or a swarm of clones of you. Yes, 456 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: A short answer is yes. 457 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 5: Eternal life for least indefinite immortality until maybe the universe 458 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 5: ends is one of the central themes of transhumanism, posthumanism, 459 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 5: this whole singularity religious framework, if you want to call 460 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 5: it that, uh. 461 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: Rahem Casam, the Red Caesar, this whole concept. Can you 462 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: explain that to folks? Is Trump the Red Caesar and 463 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: Curtis Jarvin's masspiratory fantasy. 464 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 7: Look very heavy topics for a New Year's Day. But 465 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 7: but I just want to want to bring it back 466 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 7: to something that Joe had mentioned there, and. 467 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: People hold it, hold it when Raheems, when Raheem's trying 468 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: to get his fifth mimosa to take the edge off 469 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: last night. All Right, I guess it's a bloody, a 470 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: double strong bloody. 471 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: At this point, it's whatever you can get your hands on. 472 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 7: But the but the the point Joe's making, and I 473 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 7: think it bears repeating, and I think it will bear 474 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 7: repeating all throughout this year as well as we continue 475 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 7: to see these these people come to loggerheads over over 476 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 7: this issue of techno techno. I mean, it's techno fascism, 477 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 7: really is what it is. But it's because it strips 478 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 7: away the consent of the government. And I'll talk about 479 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 7: that just in a second with the Red Caesar stuff. 480 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 7: But this is also original sin, right, This this is 481 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 7: about immortality for them, It's about becoming godlike for themselves. 482 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: They they have adopted this mentality. 483 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 7: And I you know, to answer my own to answer 484 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 7: your question about my own statement from earlier, there's no 485 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 7: doubt in my mind that these people have already decided 486 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 7: that the singularity has effectively already happened. 487 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: Right, What are we waiting for? Right? 488 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 7: The only things they're effectively waiting for at this point. 489 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 7: And this is why all the tech money that's flowing 490 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 7: into the political right now is actually quite concerning is 491 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 7: regulatory stuff. 492 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: Right? 493 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 7: Can can we actually get them to allow us to 494 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 7: do this stuff to human beings at a mass and 495 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 7: who is standing in our way otherwise? 496 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: Right, So take all of that, and then you know, 497 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 4: take the. 498 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 7: Ideas that have been floating around kind of as noise 499 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 7: right for the last ten to fifteen years with these 500 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 7: bloggers online like Jarvin who used to go by dementious moldbug, 501 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 7: which is to say that, hey, you know, the right 502 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 7: solution to the problem of the political left and the 503 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 7: problem of wokeness and all of this stuff should actually 504 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 7: just be a dictatorship. Forget about the consent of the governed. 505 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 7: Forget about not just the consent of the governed, of 506 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 7: the left, of the people that vote for the left 507 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 7: wing politicians, but forget about it on the right as well, 508 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 7: or every single person should have no active say in 509 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 7: wider government. There may be arguments that they make, by 510 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 7: the way, about localism and things like that, but it's 511 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 7: a smoke screen, effectively, a smoke screen for them saying, 512 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 7: don't worry about what goes on in Washington, DC, don't 513 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 7: worry about what goes on in Brussels, don't worry about 514 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 7: what goes on at the World Forum. That is, for 515 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 7: the self appointed dictator class to make their decisions about. 516 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 7: And that's what Red Caesarism effectively is it. It's actually, 517 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 7: when you get down to the nitty gritty of it, 518 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 7: they are throwing their hands up in the air and saying, well, actually, 519 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 7: we really don't know how to do this within the 520 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 7: within the confines of the American Constitution. We don't know 521 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 7: how to do it within the confines of Western civilization 522 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 7: and all of its traditions and Christian traditions. And so 523 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 7: we're gonna we're going to move towards this atheistic, authoritarian 524 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 7: model of governance that actually doesn't have human agency and 525 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 7: Christianity at its core. 526 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: And I think the problem with. 527 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 7: This topic is that when you go away and you 528 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 7: go on a search engine and you look at red 529 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 7: Caesarism and you start googling all these people, all that 530 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 7: comes up is silly articles in the Guardian or in 531 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 7: the New Republic or whatever. It doesn't actually understand stand 532 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 7: the mechanisms here, and it doesn't actually understand the conversations 533 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 7: that are going on in the in the right wing salons, 534 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 7: whether they're in Silicon Valley, whether they're here on Capitol Hill. 535 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 7: So so there's a steep learning curve this year. That's 536 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 7: why you have to start the you know, hit the 537 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 7: ground running in the new year. And this is a 538 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 7: subject that if we don't get our heads around, and 539 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 7: if this audience doesn't get its heads around, then then 540 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 7: in two, three, five, ten years time, people are going 541 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 7: to go, oh, my goodness, how did this happen? Why 542 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 7: did nobody warn us this was going to happen? This 543 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 7: is happening? 544 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: So is that is raheem onto something Joe is particularly 545 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: with this whole thing? Is this is this the manifestation 546 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 2: of Kurdish Jarvin's dark enlightenment? Is this why? Because a 547 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: lot of people were confused when when Elon's bounce around 548 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: the stage like a nine year old, he goes, I'm 549 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 2: dark Marga. Is that what dark marga means? 550 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 5: It's definitely there's a commonality. Absolutely, And you know, again 551 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 5: with with Yr, it's hard to tell really how much 552 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 5: someone like Mark and Dresen takes him seriously, or someone 553 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 5: like Peter Thiel or Elon Musk, like who is really 554 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 5: wearing the pants in these relationships? You know, I'm inclined 555 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 5: to think that people with the money and the machinery 556 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 5: are really running the show. And that Curtis Jarvin ends 557 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 5: up being a kind of a bard, singing their praises 558 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 5: and elevating them from tech vcs and tech company owners 559 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 5: to you know, King and Red Caesar. And if I 560 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: can just close with one idea, you know, Curtis Jarvin's 561 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 5: notion of a new monarchy. If you could imagine the 562 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 5: kind of Larpie scenario of Elon Musk being paraded down, say, 563 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 5: you know, Hollywood Boulevard with you know, people in outfits 564 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 5: following him for his coronation. 565 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: It is so what's the term for it? 566 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 5: It begins with a g lame that I don't think 567 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 5: America would ever go for it anyway, But these guys 568 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 5: are definitely intoxicated with their own wealth and power. 569 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: Maybe they just don't care how lame we'll call it 570 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 3: it is. 571 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: Raheem did we fight a revolution to break off from 572 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 2: the most powerful empire in the world that was really 573 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 2: going on the world stage at that time in India 574 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 2: and North America to end up inviting into the tent 575 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: and actually supporting the folks that actually have as a 576 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 2: concept a whole new techno religion, something that strives for 577 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 2: eternal life. Man made that kind of mocks the Holy 578 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: Spirit and sets up a new minarchy. Is that what 579 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: this constitutional republic is? 580 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 7: This what we're fighting for, right, and this is this 581 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 7: is where I think the audience needs to pay particular 582 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 7: attention because the people who are advancing this theory and 583 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 7: Joe's right, you know, we don't know who's wearing the 584 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 7: pants here quite yet, but it's very clear. 585 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 4: Like as you said earlier, Steve. 586 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 7: This is kind of a masturbatory, a mental masturbatory, and 587 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 7: it's kind of a circle chirk actually of all of 588 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 7: these people who. 589 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 4: Are egging each other on to go further and further. Listen. 590 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 7: I was the first writer who actually wrote about dark 591 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 7: margat when that started trending. Actually was it was years 592 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 7: ago now, and and getting to grips with with not 593 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 7: just you know, who are the figures online who are. 594 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 4: Pushing this, but what does it really mean in its core? 595 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 7: And actually I think dark Marga was more about assailing 596 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 7: your political opponents in far more effective ways, which I 597 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 7: think there was a lot of frustration about the first 598 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 7: Trump term that it wasn't cutthroat enough. This is something different. 599 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 7: This isn't Marga at all. Marga believes in the American founding. 600 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 7: Marga believes in the in the in the founding principles, 601 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 7: not just of this nation, but of Western civilization. Marga 602 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 7: believes in the Judeo Christian West. Whereas this stuff eschewes it, 603 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 7: it completely wants to wants to turn its back on it, 604 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 7: wants to turn its back on human history, and effectively 605 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 7: hit a reset button, right, a reset button on human history. 606 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 7: And then so you can go to Mars and start afresh, 607 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 7: you know, a total new civilization of people that I 608 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 7: find to be extremely dangerous, that I find to be 609 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 7: a rejection of everything that people have fought for over 610 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 7: the couple one hundred, you know, two hundred and fifty 611 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 7: years that the United States has been around, and of 612 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 7: course since since Jesus Christ himself came to us. So 613 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 7: that level, or put it this way, the stakes just 614 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 7: got higher. Okay, We're now fighting a war, a rhetorical war. 615 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 4: At least for the time being, over. 616 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 7: The trajectory not just of the political right, but of 617 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 7: Western civilization. And we're fighting it kind of within our 618 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 7: own tent at the moment. We have to have our 619 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 7: wits about us. And of course, last years, the end 620 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 7: of last year's H one B fight was indicative of 621 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 7: where these people want to go because hey, at the 622 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 7: core of that argument, guess what it was. We don't 623 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 7: actually care about the American worker. We don't actually care 624 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 7: about human dignity. This is all about profit, you know, 625 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 7: profit margin and proliferation for the next for the next 626 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 7: stage of human history. Right, that is probably one of 627 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 7: the most demonic things that we'll have to fight against, 628 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 7: at least over the next couple of years. 629 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 2: I have said for a long time that eventually transhumanism, 630 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 2: in the underpinnings of transhumanism are going to get Homo 631 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: sapien two point zero or one point five is going 632 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: to become the most important political issue in the West. 633 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask Joe Allen and Raheem are we 634 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 2: going to start is that what we're seeing now, is 635 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 2: that why this is becoming the underpinnings And we're going 636 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 2: to talk about death ceiling and you know, who's the speaker, 637 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 2: and what are the tactics of deporting fifteen million people, 638 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: and what are we going to do with the bond market, 639 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 2: and how we're going to get a Ukraine all of 640 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: those things that are every day. Although monumental occurrences. 641 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 4: But what is the deep What are the deep force? 642 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: This is driving modern culture, driving modern civilization. That's what 643 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: we're here for in the world. That's why I just 644 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: did modern monetary theory. It is a dangerous idea. It's 645 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: been a catastrophic idea for the West. It's the reason 646 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 2: we have three hundred trillion dollars of debt globally and 647 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: we're about to have the world's biggest margin. Call Birch 648 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 2: Gold dot com slash ben and go talk to Philip 649 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 2: Packer on the team. It may be time for you 650 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: to have a hedge. Gold has been a hedge for 651 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 2: five thousand years of man's recorded history. Go check it out. 652 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 2: The bagpipes take us out. Joe Allen and Raheem Cassam 653 00:40:34,760 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 2: on the other side. Okay, welcome back. On one January 654 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: of View of Our Lord twenty five. On a Wednesday, 655 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: we kick off the new year. Is only the war 656 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 2: room can't kick it off. We started talking about the 657 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: four Turnings from my movie from I don't know two 658 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: thousand and nine, I think twenty ten, I guess we 659 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 2: start filming in two thousand and nine, so released in 660 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: twenty ten. Still feels pretty fresh today, does it not, 661 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 2: Joe Allen, I have said for a long time that 662 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 2: we're going to have the convergence of the singularity, and 663 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 2: the issues of the singularity and the technology the singularity 664 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: and the capitalism of this singularity are what I call 665 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: the new feudalism of the singularity going to merge with 666 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: modern society and politics. I happen to think it's going 667 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 2: to be twenty twenty five. And that's why had you 668 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 2: Raheem and Ben Harnwell on here your thoughts, Sir Steve. 669 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 5: I'm thinking about the present moment where you have the 670 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 5: world's wealthiest transhumanist, Elon Musk, his wealth being, you know, 671 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 5: having almost doubled since Trump was elected, and you have 672 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 5: on the other side of that the kind of world 673 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 5: economic forum, ideological hub with their meeting, you know, being 674 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 5: dedicated to artificial intelligence. It's entitled the Intelligence Age, and 675 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 5: it was announced at the same time that Sam Altman, 676 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 5: CEO of Open Ai, published a very brief essay called 677 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 5: the Intelligent Age, and I'm sure that's no accident, simply 678 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 5: about how artificial intelligence will in fact ascend to a 679 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 5: godlike state, artificial godlike intelligence. Elon Musk has long position 680 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 5: himself as the antidote or the hero who will defend 681 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 5: us from the superintelligence. 682 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 3: He is now expanding his XAI. 683 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 5: Facilities in Memphis, Tennessee the Colossus system to He wants 684 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 5: it to be at a scale far larger than anyone else's, 685 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 5: meaning he wants to create AI systems far more powerful 686 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 5: than anyone else's. Transhumanism, poshumanism, or the kind of singularitarian 687 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 5: mentality is driving not just culture and science fiction. It 688 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 5: is driving decision making at the absolute top levels of 689 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 5: Silicon Valley or just the tech sector in general, the military, 690 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 5: and increasingly I think the government will be much more 691 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 5: responsive and probably pliable to this kind of wave of 692 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 5: rule by algorithm or algaocracy. So short answer, absolutely, And 693 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 5: just before I go, if I can just say, you 694 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 5: and Raheem have bloodied your knuckles in this fight, long 695 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 5: before you ever pulled me down out of the arena 696 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 5: rafters to join you. I really really appreciate everything that 697 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 5: you've done. Preciate everything you've done for me and the posse. 698 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 5: Happy New Year, Happy New Year, sir, Joe. Where do 699 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 5: you go to get all your right? Social media? 700 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 2: Joe's going to be on special assignment with us for 701 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 2: much of this coming year, at least the first half, 702 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 2: and not just ringing up for big conferences. He's got 703 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 2: other big thoughts that he's going to be thinking about 704 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 2: and delivering to us at some time in the future. Joe, 705 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 2: where do people go and get you? 706 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 5: You got me at Joe bot x y z all 707 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 5: social media and of course Joe dot xyz. A ton 708 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 5: of new essays coming up there again. Happy New Year, fellows, 709 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 5: and happy New Year to the war room posse. 710 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe, appreciate you. Raheem Gsan. With all the 711 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 2: grubby nasty in the trenches politics we got to deal with, right, 712 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: were able to think great thoughts today. But the reason 713 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 2: is just like I did the single modern monetary theory 714 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: over at birch Gold dot com band and you get 715 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 2: it today, these massive ideas have huge consequences on people's lives. 716 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 2: That's why we want people get ahead of them your thoughts, sir. 717 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, Well that's the entire point, right, And this all 718 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 7: comes down to motivation. What are these different factions motivated by? 719 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 7: And I urge the audience not just for yourselves, but 720 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 7: for your family members, for the people that you recommend 721 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 7: this show too, which you should be doing every single day. 722 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 7: It's ask them who is motivated by what in all 723 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 7: of these scenarios. Now we have lived through, you know, 724 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 7: I've lived through Brexit and all of that fight We've 725 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 7: lived through, you know, exceptimes, the running street battles in Washington, 726 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 7: d c. And in Westminster with Antifa and Tommy Robinson 727 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 7: and all of that stuff. We live through twenty sixteen 728 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,479 Speaker 7: and Russia and all of this stuff, right, every single 729 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 7: hoax Steve, you know, they sent you to prison for 730 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 7: goodness sakes, right, But I suspect that this fight ahead 731 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 7: of us is actually going to be some of one 732 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 7: of the most difficult and one of the bloodiest fights 733 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 7: that we face in politics over the next couple of years. 734 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 4: And I urge people to think about it this way. 735 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 4: If you think the tech right, you know, the Musks 736 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 4: and the Teals and all of those guys. 737 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 7: Coming in behind the MARGA movement because they, you know, 738 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 7: they are risking their careers and their liquid net worths 739 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 7: and everything for the future for themselves because they just 740 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 7: so happen to agree with you and your politics and 741 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 7: the bit you know, they want a better lot for you. 742 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 7: I got a bridge to sell you. If you think 743 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 7: it's that there is a there is a motivation here 744 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 7: and underlying motivation here that if you don't believe me, 745 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 7: now keep paying attention over the course of the next 746 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 7: coming months. 747 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 4: And I hope it doesn't take you years, ladies and gentlemen, 748 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 4: to come to these conclusions. 749 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 7: But they showed their hand with the H one B 750 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 7: fight and now, I mean, they've never experienced an audience 751 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 7: like this, They've never experienced attention to detail like this, 752 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 7: So look to the motivations I will say. 753 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 4: I will conclude with this. You know our the we 754 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 4: keep you at our core. 755 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 7: And the way you know that we do that is 756 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 7: we don't take any money from outside sources to run 757 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 7: the National Pulse. It's all one hundred percent you, ladies 758 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 7: and gentlemen. It's the National Polse, dot com forward slash 759 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 7: warm if you want to sign up. But that's why 760 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 7: I didn't want to go that route. You know, there's 761 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 7: lots of billionaires and things like that who want to 762 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 7: stroke check so that you'll write what they want and 763 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 7: say what they want you to say. 764 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:25,800 Speaker 4: We are here for you. 765 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 7: That's what this has always been about. It's been about 766 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 7: that you know. I talked on the Boxing Day special 767 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,240 Speaker 7: about the old Bright Bart news radio show Steve listening 768 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 7: to people internalizing their hardships and do you know, being 769 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 7: their representatives, being their ambassadors here on in Washington, d C. 770 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 4: So that that, I think is all I need to 771 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 4: say about it at this point. 772 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 7: And I really genuinely am deeply appreciative for you, the show, 773 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 7: the staff, the team, Real America's Voice, everyone involved in it, 774 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 7: the National Pulse, dot Com, Forward, slash Warm if you 775 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 7: want to support, great way to. 776 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 2: Start today is with the National Pulse. Thank you very much. Brother, 777 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 2: Happy New Year, Rahem, thanks for doing. 778 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 4: This, Happy Jani, Joe Allen and. 779 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 2: Dreams on a whole new kick for the entire staff 780 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 2: and production team of the war and of course everybody 781 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 2: at Real America's Voice had a great team in Denver, 782 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 2: in in Palm Beach or wist Palm Beach. Happy New Year. 783 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 2: We started off with a tough one to day, but 784 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 2: guess what, you're tough people, and we're going to need 785 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: tough people to take get this republic, this constitutional republic, 786 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 2: through this ordeal, and it will be an ordeal. But 787 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 2: if we got to have a team that's going to win. 788 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,760 Speaker 2: I'd like who's on our side of football? Until tomorrow, 789 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 2: the second of January twenty twenty five. This is Stephen 790 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 2: king ban in the War Worm. We'll see tomorrow. Happy 791 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 2: New Year.