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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: Among the most powerful hurricanes ever recorded bearing down on Florida,

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Speaker 3: while recovery from the last horrible hurricane still going on

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Speaker 3: in a number of places, including Florida. A lot of

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Speaker 3: these people in Florida bugged out a week ago, came back,

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Speaker 3: unloaded a little bit, loading them back up and leave

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Speaker 3: it again. It's quite an in addition to the usual

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Speaker 3: threat of howling winds and the damage they do, you have, Well,

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Speaker 3: we'll go to the storm surge briefly, which is going

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Speaker 3: to drown large segments of the Tampa area, probably at

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Speaker 3: least temporarily, and then all the debris from Hurricane Helene

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Speaker 3: which has been piled up. If indeed those wins are

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty five miles per hour or anything

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Speaker 3: like that, there are going to be projectiles screaming through

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Speaker 3: the air like artillery fire all over coastal Florida. We've

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Speaker 3: got a little bit of Elon on Tucker that got

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Speaker 3: released yesterday. We'll play for you later. I watched about

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Speaker 3: half the thing. It's like an hour and a half long,

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Speaker 3: freaking fascinating. Elon is an interesting guy and his does

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Speaker 3: not you know how politicians run everything through a filter

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Speaker 3: of will this help me or hurt me? Or how

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Speaker 3: the calculator he does no calculation some things, he says.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it would seem that he does no calculation on

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Speaker 3: whether this is good for me bad for me. Controversial

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Speaker 3: sort of thing, you should say. He just talks right

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Speaker 3: righty to a fault.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, so you may have heard something about this

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Speaker 4: contram CBS News interviewed a fellow by the name of

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Speaker 4: Tanahsee Coats the other day, quoting the great Coleman.

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Speaker 2: Hughes, who happened to be a black man. A brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Mind, he says, Tanahasey Coats is one of those journal

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Speaker 4: one of those journalists treated by the left of center

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Speaker 4: establishment more like a prophet than a writer.

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Speaker 2: There are a few.

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Speaker 4: Accolades he hasn't been granted. He goes through the list,

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Speaker 4: then he mentions a couple of the books Between the

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Speaker 4: World and Me won the twenty fifteen National Book Award.

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Speaker 4: The case for Reparations in the Atlantic became so influential

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Speaker 4: that it almost single handedly made reparations for slavery an

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Speaker 4: issue in the twenty twenty election. Since then, Coachses focus

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Speaker 4: mainly on fiction and comic books, most notably Back Black Panther,

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Speaker 4: which he wrote, and he's out with a new book

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Speaker 4: entitled The.

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Speaker 2: What the heck? Where is it?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's the message there is. It's one of

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Speaker 4: those titles that's not easy to remember it well with

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Speaker 4: a vision the mission, Oh, the message right, and Hughes

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Speaker 4: writes things go awry from the start and says stuff like,

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Speaker 4: here's the crucial test. If you read nothing about a

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Speaker 4: subject other than this author's work, how informed would you be?

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Speaker 4: To what degree would you understand the big picture? On

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Speaker 4: that metric, Coachs fails spectacularly because Coats is not a

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Speaker 4: journalist so much as a composer, one who uses words

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Speaker 4: not to convey the truth, much less to point of

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Speaker 4: constructive path forward, but to create a mood. It's the

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Speaker 4: same way that a film scorer uses notes. He is,

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Speaker 4: in other words, a fairly radical editorialist.

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Speaker 3: He's a big white supremacy is the root of everything

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Speaker 3: that's wrong in the United States.

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Speaker 5: Guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely a systemic racist profit racism profit. He's also

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Speaker 4: a racist, but he's been the absolute toast of left

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Speaker 4: for a very long time. So that's what you need

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Speaker 4: to know going in. So, his new book, The Whatever

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Speaker 4: is out and he to do an interview on CBS Mornings,

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Speaker 4: where he and several of the staff expected him, of course,

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Speaker 4: to be revered as the great Black Hope and the

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Speaker 4: great wise man who guilt ridden whites must bow down

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Speaker 4: to and listen to and obey in the usual manner.

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Speaker 4: But Tony Dicoppel, who works for CBS News and works

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Speaker 4: on CBS CBS Mornings, his ex wife and children live

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Speaker 4: in Israel, and I don't know much more about him

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Speaker 4: than that. But as this book is an utterly one

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Speaker 4: sided anti Semitic denial of Israel's right to exist and

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Speaker 4: defend itself, Decopel was not having it. And we'll play

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Speaker 4: some clips of how the interview went, but the the

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Speaker 4: bottom line is there's now this enormous controversy at CBS.

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Speaker 4: The woke, the young, the left in the CBS News

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Speaker 4: division are really angry at Ducoppel. They're calling out his

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Speaker 4: where we're getting some We actually got some audio from

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Speaker 4: working on editing it. But so there's a huge conference

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Speaker 4: and just it's hilarious. The argument from the people offended

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Speaker 4: by Ducoppol's grilling of Tanaheisy Coats is he showed bias.

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Speaker 2: We can't have bias at CBS News.

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Speaker 3: That would be terrible, and like anybody to the right

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Speaker 3: of Joe Mansions, like, are you serious, CBS? Do you

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Speaker 3: are kidding? Do you watch Face the Nation? Do you

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Speaker 3: watch sixty minutes? Did you watch the CBS women moderate

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Speaker 3: quote unquote moderate the debate.

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Speaker 2: That was holy?

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Speaker 3: Like what a week and a half ago or whatever?

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Speaker 3: Are you serious with this?

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Speaker 4: As anyway, So that is the situation in brief. A

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Speaker 4: little more on that, but let's listen to some of it.

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Speaker 4: Michael's start with the clip ninety and go from that.

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Speaker 4: This one's a fairly substantial hunk of audio from CBS.

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Speaker 2: Warnings.

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Speaker 6: Hit it, Tana Haasha, I want to dive into the

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Speaker 6: Israel Palace on section of the books, the largest section

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Speaker 6: of the book. And I have to say, when I

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Speaker 6: read the book, I imagine if I took your name out

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Speaker 6: the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away.

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Speaker 2: The content of that.

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Speaker 6: Section would not be out of place in the backpack

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Speaker 6: of an extremist. And so then I found myself wondering,

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Speaker 6: why does Tanahashi Coats, who I've known for a long time,

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Speaker 6: read his work for a long time, very talented, smart guy,

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Speaker 6: leave out so much? Why leave out that Israel is

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Speaker 6: surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it?

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Speaker 2: Why leave out that.

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Speaker 6: Israel deals with terror groups that want to eliminate it.

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Speaker 6: Why not detail anything of the first and the second Intifat,

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Speaker 6: of the cafe bombings, the bus bombings, the little kids

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Speaker 6: believe that Israel in any condition has a right to exist.

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Speaker 7: I would say, the perspective that you just outlined, there

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Speaker 7: is no shortage of that perspective in American media.

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Speaker 2: That's the first thing I would say.

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Speaker 7: Where I am most concerned always with those who don't

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Speaker 7: to talk. I have asked repeatedly in my interviews whether

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Speaker 7: stories that I was most occupied with. I wrote a

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Speaker 7: two hundred and sixty page book. It is not a

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty aggressive question from the CBS anchor. A

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Speaker 3: couple of thoughts, not inappropriate, but it was definitely going

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Speaker 3: at him. Number one, mister Coates is a brilliant man.

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Speaker 3: I think he's wrong about a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think his neo Marxist victim oppresser, you know, colonial

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Speaker 4: settler worldview is obnoxious and is intended to get rid

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Speaker 4: of Western civilization. Usher and Marxism, having said that he's

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Speaker 4: an extremely bright guy and more than capable of defending himself,

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Speaker 4: and that exchange sounded to me.

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Speaker 2: Like what journalism ought to be. Yeah, that was great,

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Speaker 4: Dakoppel asked some really tough questions. The author responded intelligently. Again,

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Speaker 4: I disagree with his conclusions, but that was a perfectly

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Speaker 2: Ideas batted back and forth. But because.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, I don't mind mister Coates expressing

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 3: First Amendment fan over here. I don't want him worshiped

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Speaker 3: as a prophet who can never be questioned. He was

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Speaker 3: questioned fairly aggressively. He responded intelligently and aggressively, and we

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Speaker 3: all learned something. And the idea that that exchange and

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Speaker 3: there's a little more to it, and I'm enjoying it, Jack,

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Speaker 3: if you are, we can play some more.

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Speaker 2: That was interesting.

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Speaker 4: The idea that that exchange would so royal the CBS newsroom,

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Speaker 4: that there's a civil war going on? Now, how dare

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Speaker 4: he be so biased? Holy cats, you people have lost

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Speaker 4: your damn minds.

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Speaker 6: Next clip, Michael, But if you were to read this book,

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Speaker 6: you would be left wondering why does any of Israel exists?

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Speaker 6: What a horrific place committing horrific.

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Speaker 6: So I think the question is central and key if

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Speaker 7: I answer is that no country in this world establishes

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Speaker 3: similar conversation yesterday, because that is the history of the world.

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Speaker 4: And he's just arguing there being bad guys while they

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Speaker 2: I disagree with him on his conclusion.

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Speaker 4: But every again, you heard one opinion, you heard the

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Speaker 3: It is shocking to hear that sort of thing on

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Speaker 3: the CBS Early Show. I know, wow that if you

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Speaker 3: go back and watch YouTube videos from back in the day,

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Speaker 3: you know, your old timey Crossfire or you watch them

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Speaker 3: old Dick Caviot or things like that, that's what conversations

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Speaker 3: and that never happens anymore. Shocking, and when it does,

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Speaker 3: it's so shocking. There's a civil war at CBS.

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Speaker 6: Next clip, Michael, But you write a book that delegitimizes

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Speaker 6: the pillars of Israel. It seems like an effort topple

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Speaker 6: the whole building of it. So I come back to

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Speaker 6: What is it that so particularly offends you about the

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Speaker 6: existence of a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe

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Speaker 7: There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state. I

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Speaker 2: No matter where they are.

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Speaker 6: Is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians.

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Speaker 7: What's wrong? I am fascist against the death penalty? What

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Speaker 7: There is nothing the Palestinians could do.

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Speaker 6: I honestly didn't know that Bob Woodward was still.

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Speaker 3: Van's talking about the new Bob Woodword book, and a

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Speaker 2: We'll get into the comment section and argue about slavery.

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Speaker 4: Ah the ad campaign on porn sites warning that Project

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry I should read you this. The architects of

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Speaker 4: aware of the polling, No pun intended. VI Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: They are porn stars for Kamala out perfect is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, stop fornicating in unrealistic fashion on video for

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Speaker 2: The rest of us to the election.

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Speaker 3: Okay, porn star, I want to make my I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Wow, geez strong and he loses, Man, what if you

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Speaker 2: I see my children.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because it's not like you can say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: That was a very odd podcast from Elon Musk with

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Speaker 3: with Elon must say, Oh, if Trump loses, I'm aft.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, well, relatively speaking, it'll make his life more difficult. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And to some extent he is.

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Speaker 4: But now the newsroom is roiled with anger that somebody

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Speaker 2: That was great.

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Speaker 4: That was finally journalism. That's one of your finest moments

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Speaker 4: But it occur to me as I'm thinking about this,

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Speaker 2: So he could be a hell of a dissenter.

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Speaker 5: Dig this TikTok, facing allegations that it's as addictive and

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Speaker 2: For profit right now, everything for fun or for fun. Disco.

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Speaker 4: And it's worth reminding us all, including myself, the enormity

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Speaker 3: But anyway, he said, I would have nobody allowed in

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Speaker 2: And also they have that.

441
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 4: Prejudice of the young that only people of their ilk

442
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: really know what's going on, and they don't want to

443
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: hear from the older folks, partly because it's a young

444
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: person's relationship with their parents.

445
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: It's the leaving the nest thing.

446
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's funny because I read the first

447
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 4: couple of paragraphs of this and thought, Wow, we really

448
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: need to get on TikTok, even though it's evil. But

449
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: then I realized, no, the old guy appears to be

450
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: twenty five, and that's fundamental to the appeal. But the

451
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: numbers are astounding. Among the two hundred politically focused TikTok accounts,

452
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: accounts with the most viral posts, those with twenty five

453
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: thousand or more views, one fifth were news influence. The

454
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: account's pushed nearly three thousand viral videos generating more than

455
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: seven hundred million views, and a packed news cycle that

456
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: included the first presidential debate, first assassination attempt, et cetera.

457
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Speaker 3: I have no frame of reference on the news bias

458
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: of TikTok other than what was reported after October seventh,

459
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: on how it was overwhelmingly pro Palestinian as opposed to

460
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: pro Israel, and was that being generated by China or whoever.

461
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but the thing is, it's not generated so

462
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: much as it's filtered. I think you have.

463
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Speaker 4: It's like a record company where you have one thousand

464
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 4: bands you're listening to and are making their music. But

465
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 4: then the Chinese communists are the record company, and they

466
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: suppress this one and elevate that one and that one

467
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: and that one, right, and it's it's and the fact

468
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: that we allow this. I understand the difficulty first amendment

469
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 4: wise with dealing with this, but it's it's a unique

470
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: situation in human history. Three trojan horse. Nothing TikTok is

471
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: like a trojan. I don't know Mount Everest well, and

472
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: it's not a secret. So you you knock on the

473
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: door and say, hey, we rite this giant horse.

474
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Speaker 3: We're gonna push in full of warriors, I mean absolutely

475
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: chock full of warriors. We're gonna push it in here

476
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 3: and then tonight they're gonna come out.

477
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: And kill y'all. So enjoy. And we as adults say

478
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: what if no, no, But the kids say, we love

479
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: giant hoisies.

480
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 5: We love giant iceies.

481
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: So the adults say, well, I guess we'll let in

482
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: the giant horse because the kids are.

483
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: Really enjoying that, and our throats get slit. Well, well, well,

484
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 4: I've said this before, and I please don't hate me

485
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: for this. There are times my favorite sports teams are

486
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: just so bad. I think you know you're gonna lose,

487
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: and you deserve to lose. I'm not gonna get upset

488
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: about it. You're terrible at your jobs. No, Sometimes I

489
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: feel like my beloved.

490
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: Republic is that.

491
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: It's easy to do that with your favorite basketball team,

492
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: not so easy to do it with the country your

493
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: kids are going to grow up in.

494
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh No, I'm gonna fight till I'm dead. You know

495
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: that about me. I just occasionally I have that How

496
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 4: can we be so stupid? And how does nobody notice it? Frustration?

497
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Speaker 3: The only thing you need to know about TikTok is

498
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: China doesn't it allow it in their country, Right, That's

499
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: the only thing you didn't know they don't allow They

500
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: have a thing called TikTok, but it's nothing like what

501
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: we what we have, so it might might as well

502
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: be a different.

503
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: Thing, right, It says if Chinese Disneyland was entirely a

504
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: technical academy, all right, that's the only it has the

505
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: same name.

506
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so they don't allow it in China. Why, well,

507
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: because it'd be awful for our young people and destroy

508
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: our country. We're not gonna have TikTok in our country.

509
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: We put it in the United States. Yeah, you're right,

510
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: and then we all just allow it, and then Republicans

511
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: and Democrats can't come together to ban it because well,

512
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: it's kind.

513
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Of working for us.

514
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: Well, then they're spreading money around like Santa Claus on steroids,

515
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: which imagine Santa with roid rage.

516
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: I can if you've seen the Kurt Russell Santa which

517
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: Santa movie?

518
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 5: Is that?

519
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: God? My kids love that movie. Bad Santa was Billy

520
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: Bob Thornton, right, right?

521
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: Whatever won? The one is with Kurt Russell. I'm sure

522
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: we'll be watching it here again in a couple of months.

523
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: Is that the horror movie? It's not a horror movie.

524
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: It's got a good message in the end, but it's

525
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: relatively rough. He gets drunk, he fights a lot.

526
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: So I just one more thought, a despairing thought, and

527
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: I'll tell you going into this that as a patriot,

528
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 4: I we you even if we, with all of our

529
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: efforts delay the Roman Empire like and by a year,

530
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: that'll be worth the efforts. Preserving liberty is worth everything

531
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: you can pour into it. I believe that to my soul.

532
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: On the other hand, there sometimes I think, as I

533
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: observe the United States and how it functions and now

534
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: it doesn't function, there are times I feel like it's

535
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: just it's an over ripe fruit, and historically speaking, the

536
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 4: path that are overright empire takes is more or less inevitable.

537
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: I think that in my more discouraged moments, I admit it.

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00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right about that. The Christmas Chronicles

539
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: is the movie with Kurt Russell as Santa. If you

540
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: haven't watched it, very.

541
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Speaker 2: I do not know it. I'm a big fan of

542
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: the Muppet Christmas Carol. Is it similar?

543
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: Before we take a break, did you know they're imploding

544
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: the Tropicana in Vegas today, one of the most storied

545
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: hotel resorts where some of the biggest rat pack, cool stuff,

546
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: that mob stuff that ever happened in the history of

547
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: Vegas all happened in that hotel, and they're imploding it today.

548
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: Because you know, time time marches on. I wonder if

549
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: they'll find the bones of mob and formers like that

550
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: were buried under the floors and stuff like that, they'll

551
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: find the vice walls that Joe Peshi put people's.

552
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: Heads in forget about it. I'm surprised it wasn't.

553
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: Worth it to renovate it and you know, make it nostalgic.

554
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: Can't be super trophy And yeah, I'm surprised, but I'm

555
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: sure very much smarter people than me looked at.

556
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: Look.

557
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: Something tells me that dirt under it is a lot

558
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: more valuable with some brand new super casino.

559
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: But must be I want to play a little more

560
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: from Elon and Tucker on a couple of different topics

561
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: a little bit later, as he got into UFOs and

562
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: go a censorship and a whole bunch of things.

563
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

564
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: And also we got that audio of the behind the

565
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: scenes garment tearing. Come to Jesus meeting at CBS News

566
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: over the perfectly reasonable interview that we've been talking about.

567
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: Cool.

568
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: I want to hear that it's all on the way.

569
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Speaker 1: Herek Times had a hall of an article yesterday about

570
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Israel and whether or not they're gonna strike a rand's

571
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: nuclear capabilities and can they and whether we're in favored

572
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: or not really good stuff.

573
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: We'll get to that now or three.

574
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: If you don't get our three, feel free to grab

575
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 4: the podcast later. I'm strong in getting on demand better

576
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: yet subscribe, you know, Jack, I'm looking at the clock

577
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at the audio, and I just there's

578
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: no way we can do this, and I don't want

579
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: to give it a short attitude. You can, You're right,

580
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: I'm a quitter. I don't want to give it short shrift.

581
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: I want to give it good long shift. We have

582
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: obtained through methods that I cannot describe unless you've been

583
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: in combat or worked for the CIA. The behind the

584
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: scenes meeting at CBS News where they are freaking out

585
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: over the fact that they actually engaged in journalism for once,

586
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: and all the woke staffers are upset about it. And

587
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: because a conservative actually said something somewhat conservative, they're saying, oh,

588
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: we need to be unbiased. We were biased there. It's

589
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: unintentionally hilarious. We will also get to that next hour.

590
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: We promise.

591
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: It's the whole Tanaheazy Coats Tony Ducoppel controversy. Tempest in

592
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: a tea spot. But it's so revealing of the way

593
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: big media works. It's delicious.

594
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: So I mentioned I watched the Elon Musk Tucker Carlson

595
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: thing today and Elon fascinating guy talking about a whole

596
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: bunch of different things, just all over the place. I

597
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: think he does himself harm all the time, but.

598
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: He didn't care. It's the advantage of having that much money,

599
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: I guess.

600
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: Anyway, they got on the top of the UFOs, and

601
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: Elon might be as well positioned as anyone in the

602
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Speaker 3: world to speak to this, as he makes the point

603
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: with all the satellites he has and the space exploration

604
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: and the ability to monitor things going on in space

605
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: and everything like that, he has not seen any evidence

606
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: of aliens. Why Tucker asked him about this, I don't know,

607
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: but it seems to be a big thing on the

608
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Speaker 3: right correct that the government's hiding this from us or something.

609
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: I am surprised how often I come across that. Yeah, yeah,

610
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: I never spent a second thing about him me neither.

611
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: Elon Musk believes that the alleged UFOs seen as zipping

612
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: around the United States are not extraterrestrial life, but more

613
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: likely the US government's new weapons programs that are highly classified.

614
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: He has not seen any evidence of aliens using his

615
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: Space Exploration Technologies company. There's a lot we don't know.

616
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Musk admitted about where where life came from? How you know,

617
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: why did life come here? Why is in other plants?

618
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: We don't know that sort of stuff. But he said

619
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Speaker 3: there are over six thousand satellites in orbit and they

620
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: have not once had to maneuver around an alien spacecraft.

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Speaker 3: For one thing, SpaceX has over sixty three hundred active

622
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: Starling satellites in low Earth orbit and they've seen no

623
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: evidence of anything like that. While well, unidentified flying objects

624
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: are one thing, but there are a bunch of classified

625
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: programs that are underway, and they are so classified that

626
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Speaker 3: even at the highest levels.

627
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Speaker 2: People don't know about them. And he says, that's the explanation,

628
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Speaker 2: which is what I've always assumed.

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Speaker 4: I was just going to say, I certainly hope it's

630
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Speaker 4: DARPA doing something cool and futuristic to protect the motherland.

631
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Speaker 2: Boy.

632
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Speaker 3: One thing Elon told a story on there was, for instance,

633
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: trying to get his his internet service going for the

634
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: hurricane victims like North Carolina and East Tennis seeing how

635
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 3: the federal government was blocking him and he couldn't get

636
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: it done. He got on the phone with Pete Buddha Judge.

637
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: Actually he tweeted about it on his own Twitter, blaming

638
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: the federal government from stopping something from getting accomplished. Buddha

639
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: Jedge reached out to him because it was well maybe

640
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: just because he's a nice guy.

641
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

642
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: I was going to say because they were embarrassed, But anyway,

643
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: they ended up putting it together and Buddha Jedge cleared

644
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: out the red tape bureaucracy and Elon was able to

645
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: immediately get a whole bunch of things done, get some

646
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: satellites in the air, and have a Wi Fi going.

647
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Speaker 3: But it's just interesting that the government is built in

648
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: such a way that if somebody efficient, like a private

649
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: company like Elon, can't get anything done.

650
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Oh, how lovely it would be to have

651
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: that sort of pull, And how frustrating that is. He

652
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: had to have a Cabinet member intercede to stop the

653
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Speaker 4: government from stopping him helping the people.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, It'd be nice if we all had

655
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: that sort of power, that we could tweet something out

656
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: and we'd get a response.

657
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Speaker 4: There are days I'd like to just take the Constitution

658
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Speaker 4: to some desert island and start the country again, armstrong

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Speaker 4: and Getty