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Speaker 1: Lake Boker end of Boker Era with Marlins nearly two
Speaker 1: full years in the organization. We touched on not that
Speaker 1: long ago that he was a former waiver claim and
Speaker 1: a guy that has more good than bad during his
Speaker 1: tenure with the team, had been a staple of this
Speaker 1: bullpen all year long, and again on a high note,
Speaker 1: headed into the deadline, goes to a Pirates team that
Speaker 1: had known to be very needy for relief help. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna immediately be a significant piece of that pen
Speaker 1: of a team that is still in the race alongside
Speaker 1: the Marlins in the pursuit of wild card. And I
Speaker 1: think we're still gathering the final details about the return
Speaker 1: Manlds getting three prospects of some kinds in return for Lake,
Speaker 1: who has a lot of years of control still ahead
Speaker 1: pre arbitration eligible history says that you know, those don't
Speaker 1: matter as much with relievers as other positions, So this
Speaker 1: is more about just a bed on him being a
Speaker 1: good reliever right now in a enoughgrade for this fired's team.
Speaker 1: We're not again, we can't really be surprised at all
Speaker 1: about the Monalds trading relievers of some kinds, and it
Speaker 1: does the vod Nick trade now makes more sense just
Speaker 1: a few minutes later as kind of the corresponding move.
Speaker 1: So any final thoughts on on Bakras as we wait
Speaker 1: for the final details about who's coming back for him?
Speaker 2: Before I talk about Boker trade, is this the first
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix buying trade of his career with Miami, right,
Speaker 2: this is the one that's the first career buying.
Speaker 3: Move, right, Yeah, yep, damn, I can't think. I can't
Speaker 3: think of another one.
Speaker 2: Deadline deadline speaking.
Speaker 3: Because no, yeah, he's any trade.
Speaker 2: Actually, this is the first win now quote unquote move. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine, great, It is technically major leaguer for major
Speaker 2: league if you consider nor be that. But with Lake Balker,
Speaker 2: he was the Marlins really like him, and I heard
Speaker 2: going into today that Balker and Fouchet were guys that
Speaker 2: they were gonna maybe try to listen on a little
Speaker 2: bit other believers as well. Peter Bendix, we spoke with him.
Speaker 2: We always know how every GM likes. He likes to
Speaker 2: use the deadline to trade their relievers. That would have
Speaker 2: been shocked had they not dealt a single one. So
Speaker 2: this sort of makes a little bit of sense. At
Speaker 2: least they deal one of them and they got We'll
Speaker 2: see what the return ends up being for Lake Balker.
Speaker 2: But that's another example of Peter Bennis just picking someone out.
Speaker 2: I remember the first day he was traded or he
Speaker 2: came to the Marrow organization. We thought it was a
Speaker 2: made up name, Lake Barker joining the Miami Marlinds and
Speaker 2: he ends up bringing netting in three prospects of some kind.
Speaker 2: Like Eli said, We'll have to wait and see what.
Speaker 4: The report is.
Speaker 2: But all in all, all things considered, I got to
Speaker 2: give this deadline day a solid beat, eighty five out
Speaker 2: of a hundred. I think they did good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when he come to think of the
Speaker 3: way that Peter Bennix acquires these guys, I mean, Boker
Speaker 3: is literally the perfect example. He was acquaed late in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. The Wilds are way out of it
Speaker 3: at this point, claimed them off waivers from the Padres.
Speaker 3: Only appeared in a couple of games. He was fine,
Speaker 3: He showed some signs of life and Latin and last
Speaker 3: year he was really good and this year he I mean,
Speaker 3: you can make the case he really saved this team
Speaker 3: during that month in June where they really had no
Speaker 3: starting pitching and he had to go out there and
Speaker 3: start every fifth day and go four or five innings
Speaker 3: of relief, and he really saved them. So a lot
Speaker 3: of credits to go to him. I think his numbers
Speaker 3: are inflated so because of the absolute disaster class after
Speaker 3: that yearie, after the yeary perfect game situation. But yeah,
Speaker 3: no good. You know he's gonna go into Pittsburgh where
Speaker 3: they needed bullpen help, and he's gonna go into a
Speaker 3: postseason race.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, the guy was in the Padres minor league
Speaker 5: system since twenty fifteen, and like you said, Kevin really
Speaker 5: build his team out. He did a lot of things
Speaker 5: for these guys. I mean, saved games, pitched high leverage,
Speaker 5: gave him a lot of lamp they needed, started games.
Speaker 5: Like you said in June, they really needed him a lot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, props to Lake balker Man. Like you said,
Speaker 5: this is the prototypical Peter Benwitz apposition out of the bullpen.
Speaker 5: I feel gutted for Tyler Phillips. I know those guys
Speaker 5: are best friends, so it's gonna be a shame to
Speaker 5: see him go. But a guy like le was he
Speaker 5: from eastern Illinois, so it just makes a little bit
Speaker 5: closer for his family travel to Pittsburgh compared to Miami.
Speaker 5: So good for Lake. I'm interested to see who these
Speaker 5: three prospects are. But he who had told me on
Speaker 5: the wronger what forty games under in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: and then they called the guy we might even not know,
Speaker 5: like a guy from Major Lead. Pretty much, that's some
Speaker 5: three prospects years in the future. Hard knots deep plea,
Speaker 5: so best of lout to Lake in Pittsburgh to end.
Speaker 1: To sum it up, it is eight total prospects that
Speaker 1: the Marlins acquired on this deadline day. It was two
Speaker 1: for Braxing Garrett, it was three in the Leam Hicks trade,
Speaker 1: and three still to be identified guys in this pirates
Speaker 1: trade as well. And I don't know exactly what to
Speaker 1: expect in terms of the quality of those guys. It
Speaker 1: is a pirates scene that is really eager to win,
Speaker 1: and this is addresses a very specific need that they had,
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't shock me if their turn is comparable
Speaker 1: to what they got for Hicks. Well, yeah, we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Surely.
Speaker 1: We'll stay on for a few minutes longer to try
Speaker 1: to get to that, even if the trade doesn't become
Speaker 1: official until a little while later.
Speaker 4: And yeah, busy day.
Speaker 1: Four deadline trades to day for reference, remember back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four they made six of those on deadline day,
Speaker 1: so pretty good. Not exactly measuring up to that, but
Speaker 1: relatively close. And for a team that was in this
Speaker 1: very limbo position that we didn't know precisely what all
Speaker 1: these moves were gonna look like, they still made it interesting,
Speaker 1: shook some stuff up. I think as we look at
Speaker 1: the roster situation, that they opened up three forty men
Speaker 1: spots off the top of my head, if I have
Speaker 1: that right, because Norb for Vodnick was a one for one.
Speaker 1: They opened up a forty man spot by trading Liam Hicks,
Speaker 1: they opened up a forty man spot by trading Braxton Garrett,
Speaker 1: and they were opening up well, we'll see exactly what
Speaker 1: they're getting returned for Barker. I would assume that was
Speaker 1: some one guy that they must be getting somebody forty
Speaker 1: man guys, some advanced player that either could do it
Speaker 1: now or very soon in return. Otherwise, it does give
Speaker 1: them a lot of different directions that they can go
Speaker 1: for corresponding moves.
Speaker 4: It uh.
Speaker 1: I think there's all but confirms that Josh Ecnes is
Speaker 1: going to be readded to the bullpen right away. You'll
Speaker 1: just find on his rehab he's ready to return. So
Speaker 1: that's another guy that has in the vein of Vodnik.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that has really nasty stuff and a
Speaker 1: lot of swinging mis potential that we'll get a longer
Speaker 1: look at the stretch of this season his rookie year. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So three other prospects for Barker.
Speaker 2: It's a right handed pitcher, Brendan Bedoi.
Speaker 5: Infielder of how you sung Lee out feel like Bryan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another.
Speaker 5: Happened last time.
Speaker 1: That's right, the last time these teams made a deadline
Speaker 1: deal two years ago, Brian Dela Cruz for John suck
Speaker 1: sim and Garrett Forrester who's still in the organization. Made
Speaker 1: up to Trimplake, but not a particularly highly regarded prospect
Speaker 1: at this point. It's Will Salmon of the athletic that
Speaker 1: has this return for us. So we're just learning about
Speaker 1: these guys kind of at the same time as you
Speaker 1: are out there too. In terms of the quality that
Speaker 1: Monds are getting in return.
Speaker 4: For Baker, it doesn't look like.
Speaker 2: Any of them are ranked.
Speaker 5: I assume not.
Speaker 3: None of them are ranked at least on pipeline.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Quantity over quality, baby, that's a Peter Bendix motto.
Speaker 3: Fine by man this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you get anything for the fact that
Speaker 2: they got three guys for Lake. Baker says a lot,
Speaker 2: But I mean, wudn't you rather one solid guy anyway?
Speaker 3: I guess, But I mean we also knew that they
Speaker 3: were trying to really juice up the arms system with
Speaker 3: some lower level guys.
Speaker 4: So all right, that seems to be a that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as I suspected, biddoy if that's how you
Speaker 1: pronounced it, bid wah bidwa.
Speaker 4: It's Brandon bid wah good wah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Learning just now thanks to Baseball Reference, very a very
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Speaker 1: Reference Ambassadors. They have the pronunciation of his name right
Speaker 1: on his player page. I did not realize he has
Speaker 1: the big league experience. He's pitched fifteen games out of
Speaker 1: the Pirates bullpen this year did not do well whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It was a second three to era, was a seven
Speaker 1: to eighteen FIP, home run issues and control issues simultaneously,
Speaker 1: so he was in the minors. He goes onto the
Speaker 1: forty men rosters. The Marlins value him somewhat, but I
Speaker 1: would say that that is the most marginal piece of
Speaker 1: this deal. For the moment that twenty five year old
Speaker 1: right hander who was up at the triple at level.
Speaker 1: Let me see what I can find very quickly on
Speaker 1: these other guys that they're acquiring on the law.
Speaker 5: Is this first Australian in Marlin's history? But wha, he's
Speaker 5: from Australia.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think he's on a very
Speaker 1: short list. If he isn't unprecedented in that regard, that's
Speaker 1: a fun fact. Then with Lee, he's South Korean on
Speaker 1: the opposite end of the spectrum, eighteen years old infielder
Speaker 1: in the Pirates organization, just as second year in pro ball,
Speaker 1: playing at Low A as of recently and struggling with
Speaker 1: that transition. But he was lighting up the FCL earlier
Speaker 1: this summer. So that guy's I guess that's a bit
Speaker 1: of a Shim comp right there, because they also acquired
Speaker 1: Shim when he was very early in his career and
Speaker 1: he ended up mainly due to injuries. Not announcing to
Speaker 1: anything but Lee, at least for the moment he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's at the low A level.
Speaker 4: I'll be interesting to.
Speaker 1: See where exactly he fits there in terms of what
Speaker 1: position they play him at down the stretch, especially because
Speaker 1: they got to incorporate all these draft picks at the
Speaker 1: low A level as well, and then on Brian Sanchez,
Speaker 1: the final piece of this deal. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: is ounce through a few different organizations. Twenty two year
Speaker 1: old Venezuelan outfielder who was at that High A level
Speaker 1: this year, and he's been doing pretty well at High
Speaker 1: A overall, at least offensively, mainly playing almost perfect balance
Speaker 1: between centerfield, left field, and right field. So all three
Speaker 1: of those spots for Brian Sanchez, so quick intro at
Speaker 1: a quick glance, it's more quantity over quality, I would say.
Speaker 1: But at least one guy in bid Wah, make sure
Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that right. Bid Wah is the one that
Speaker 1: we might see at the big league level this year.
Speaker 1: The other ones are going to take quite a long
Speaker 1: time to see how that pans out.
Speaker 2: The Pirates man really going for it. I like to
Speaker 2: see it there. That's going to be a tough team
Speaker 2: to beat, or at least the leaf Frog and the
Speaker 2: standings that they got a devall who gave him a
Speaker 2: home run his first appearance as a Pirate. But Pirates
Speaker 2: are are putting all the pushing all their chips in
Speaker 2: and you like to see the small market teams do that.
Speaker 5: They'll be in town one a week from today, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well Lake the great friends get ready Luke
Speaker 3: Weaver two mm hmmm yeah Weaver, Doval, Barker. What about
Speaker 3: that trio?
Speaker 2: So I would assume that Bidoir would report to Triple
Speaker 2: A solely because Ecnes is commings, as is Vodnick. So
Speaker 2: I don't think right now there's room unless sparring another injury.
Speaker 3: Would need to make They need to make a roster move.
Speaker 3: But I'm assuming the make option. Oh yeah, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you have to add two relievers Vodnick and Ecnes
Speaker 3: unless they option acts to Triple A. But I don't
Speaker 3: see that being your case.
Speaker 2: No, they're not going to option act to Triple A.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they need to make a move.
Speaker 4: I would I would.
Speaker 2: Probably say that Bidoir goes to wall to learn his name,
Speaker 2: He'll go to Triple A Jacksonville if I had to
Speaker 2: make an educated guess.
Speaker 4: But I'll confirm that today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we stand, I think it is worth referencing
Speaker 1: this point from Marquis about the starting pitching, like, even
Speaker 1: though I think our intel was pointing to the fact
Speaker 1: that they weren't going to be adding a starter. It's
Speaker 1: a team that is three games over five hundred, is
Speaker 1: right in the mix of the wild card race that
Speaker 1: maybe didn't believe in Braxton Garrett. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: their rotation at the major league level is so within
Speaker 1: they are behind Sandy and Yuri. There's so many question
Speaker 1: marks between how Tyler Phillips will sustain as a starter
Speaker 1: of the rest of the year, Jansen Junks kind of
Speaker 1: limited upside, and Ryan Gusto. Ryan Gusto is still occupying
Speaker 1: a rotation spot unless a shocking trade breaks the next
Speaker 1: few minutes, and the alternatives in Jacksonville, there's now one
Speaker 1: less alternative, The best, most qualified alternative that they had
Speaker 1: downe there just got traded and they didn't make a
Speaker 1: corresponding move to add another starter.
Speaker 4: So I guess we'll go with Sean.
Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on that, the fact that they made
Speaker 1: through the deadline, there wasn't a whole lot of optimism
Speaker 1: that they would add. But this is it's like getting
Speaker 1: around the fact that this is a vulnerability for this
Speaker 1: team down the stretch. The team that is, they're going
Speaker 1: to be good enough to stay in this race, but
Speaker 1: if they get one more injury, especially to Sandy or
Speaker 1: Uri Like, it's what are they going to do about it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's that's disappointing, and it's I think
Speaker 6: that's a factor. And why you only saw one, you know,
Speaker 6: bullpen arm moved off the bit of the roster and
Speaker 6: why you bring in you know, Vodnik is the way
Speaker 6: they've been managing their making their pitching work for so
Speaker 6: much of the season has been you know, that makes
Speaker 6: the match after you know that have pretty much most
Speaker 6: of the year having two pitchers you trust, you know
Speaker 6: too on the provide that length. You know, a lot
Speaker 6: of overlap there for Urie missing when Max is available
Speaker 6: or vice versa. So they've they'll get to continue doing that.
Speaker 6: But I would I would have loved again kind of
Speaker 6: warm body in the rotation, you know, back there, just
Speaker 6: for what they would have meant to the Marlins relative
Speaker 6: to other teams with their just to you know, that's
Speaker 6: doing better than Ryan Gusto. You know, you know they're
Speaker 6: not looking to add a top of the market starting pitcher.
Speaker 6: It's just someone better than Gustav. But do you feel
Speaker 6: more confident in me and providing that length?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right now I feel better about it. But yeah, the yeah,
Speaker 6: the DIC move has me feeling a lot better than
Speaker 6: I did I'm fifteen minutes ago about their their pitching situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any anybody else about uh is the fact that
Speaker 1: they they're riding with who they have on this starting
Speaker 1: pitching front, and they've been getting amazing numbers. Uri I
Speaker 1: saw was well, Sandy won National Legue Pitcher of the
Speaker 1: Week and Uri was he was a prime candidate to
Speaker 1: win n I'll picture the month for July.
Speaker 4: He was really that consistently amazing. So those two.
Speaker 1: But just the fact that things are so perilous once
Speaker 1: you get beyond those two, especially if Max isn't returning
Speaker 1: from his injury anytime soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a little disappointing.
Speaker 7: I'd say that was one of the main things I
Speaker 7: wanted to see Miami do was acquire a controllable starter again,
Speaker 7: not a rental. They were never going to be in
Speaker 7: the Robbie Ray sweepstakes or anything like that, but a
Speaker 7: guy that you know you look down the road twenty
Speaker 7: twenty seven, twenty eight, he's in your organization and can
Speaker 7: compliment the core for the next couple of years in
Speaker 7: which you hope to make a playoff run. Obviously you'd
Speaker 7: love to sneak in the playoffs now, but twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 7: this team should be competitive without a doubt. That should
Speaker 7: be the expectation, So a controllable starter for me. I
Speaker 7: was looking at someone like Reed Debtmers. I was willing
Speaker 7: to pay some prospect capital and cash in on some
Speaker 7: of these guys to go out and trade with a
Speaker 7: terrible Angels team who made questionable moves all the time
Speaker 7: and said debtmars is available for a while, and then
Speaker 7: I guess they didn't see what they were looking for,
Speaker 7: But that was my target. Really, any high upside pitcher
Speaker 7: who's under contract for a couple more years would have
Speaker 7: been a good fit. The Vodnik fit I really love.
Speaker 7: I will emphasize this. I think he's he's gonna thrive
Speaker 7: and grows so hard. The pitching development in Miami is
Speaker 7: always a plus. So it's kind of cool to see
Speaker 7: the Marlins quote unquote by for the first time in
Speaker 7: a few years. But yeah, i'd say I would say
Speaker 7: it's a little disappointed on that aspect.
Speaker 1: M And I guess the final thing you should touch
Speaker 1: on is as dust settles, Pete Fairbanks is still here.
Speaker 1: The one pending free agents and ends up moving even
Speaker 1: though it pitched so well before the deadline. I guess
Speaker 1: it's you can look at a two ways. Maybe that
Speaker 1: wasn't enough of a sample to convince teams that he'd
Speaker 1: be that to pay up what the Marlins are looking for.
Speaker 1: Or yet maybe the Marlins just set a really unrealistically
Speaker 1: high priced because they believe that he is now rounded
Speaker 1: in the form, relatively close to the guy that he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. But they're gonna end up. I
Speaker 1: think they would have ended up having to eat quite
Speaker 1: a bit of the money owed to him anyway, even
Speaker 1: if they did trade him. But now they are on
Speaker 1: the hook for four plus million dollars that he's owed
Speaker 1: down the stretch, and uh yeah, for given how well
Speaker 1: he's pitched that of late, it's a little himself as
Speaker 1: the closer of this team, Michael Peterson, who we spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about on the last Dream
Speaker 1: Kevin and I like he's going to be one of
Speaker 1: their prime set up guys, especially with inherited runners now
Speaker 1: vod Nick. Even though his performance this year has been
Speaker 1: a little shaky. I think he's going to very quickly
Speaker 1: move into some high leverage opportunities at least in the
Speaker 1: short term, while Anthony Bender is still owed and while
Speaker 1: Lake Baker is gone. Yeah, so that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: And I think Alex Carver wants us to stall for
Speaker 1: a few more minutes while he is able to join
Speaker 1: us at the very end for some final thoughts. So
Speaker 1: I'll yeah, I'll just go through the chat and see
Speaker 1: if there's any other comments that strike my attention to
Speaker 1: get at. I do kind of echo some of the
Speaker 1: sentiments that you guys shared about the starting pitching and
Speaker 1: how if I guess, if nothing else they could Colin
Speaker 1: put out in a question here is that they could
Speaker 1: just claim somebody off waivers over these coming weeks. It's
Speaker 1: just that the quality of the players you're going to
Speaker 1: get all off waivers kind of speaks for itself, like
Speaker 1: these aren't guys that have a high probability of helping
Speaker 1: you right away, even for a Marlin Seam that is
Speaker 1: good at pitching developments.
Speaker 4: So it's it's possible. But what's going on Heremiah?
Speaker 7: Well, I like that comment said, if if the Rangers
Speaker 7: ever do dfa Calvin Fouche or not Calvine.
Speaker 5: The guy cal Kwan. Then the Marlins, you never know, Carver,
Speaker 5: where are you.
Speaker 1: We've been on here for five more minutes, and Carver's
Speaker 1: a little bit get here, then well we'll hear his
Speaker 1: thoughts as well, because we do have people in the chat.
Speaker 1: Brian wants to hear it from Carver. A lot of
Speaker 1: people do on the side, especially in the deadline. One
Speaker 1: of the Marlins said, a lot of their strategy was
Speaker 1: on picking up young talent for the future that we're
Speaker 1: not going to see this year, but are big investments.
Speaker 1: You know, some mixed reactions to the Baker trade. So
Speaker 1: I'm saying that a bit of a middle finger to
Speaker 1: the fans, given the way that he's pitched, in the
Speaker 1: fact that the one reliever, the one major league ready
Speaker 1: player they got in return just having a much worse
Speaker 1: season at that what we have here about. Do we
Speaker 1: think mac long term extension talk was to distract from
Speaker 1: them trading away a star in Hicks. I saw that
Speaker 1: theory as well. Christina did Nicole of mlab dot Com
Speaker 1: reported that there's internal talks about a Joe Mack contract extension.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't think so that's our stance
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be for everybody.
Speaker 4: I'll just be for myself.
Speaker 1: I think I know myself and Kevin are on the
Speaker 1: same page that just Liam Hicks was going to be
Speaker 1: more valuable to another organ than he was here, and
Speaker 1: that even as even as we see the result and
Speaker 1: frankly was a light return for him, that there was
Speaker 1: risk that the return was gonna be a lot lighter
Speaker 1: even in the offseason. This is a guy that so
Speaker 1: much of his improvement this year was about adding some
Speaker 1: power to his game, and that power hasn't actually been
Speaker 1: there since he came back from his back injury. He
Speaker 1: heard his back in June, and he's only homered once
Speaker 1: in like twenty seven to twenty eight games ever since then,
Speaker 1: in a way that I think is a meaningful change
Speaker 1: in his player profile, Like very briefly he leveled up
Speaker 1: as an overall hitter and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of singles and not much else
Speaker 1: since then, in a way that there was a chance
Speaker 1: that he could continue to slump down the stretch and
Speaker 1: if he especially wasn't gonna be catching very often. That
Speaker 1: even though it's kind of uninspiring, like I think it's
Speaker 1: still an understandable move, and especially given where the starting
Speaker 1: point was with Hicks and his value as a rule
Speaker 1: five pick, that they at least sold higher, much higher
Speaker 1: than from what they got them for originally. But I
Speaker 1: do understand both sides of that, the fact that if
Speaker 1: you add up all the moves they made today, it
Speaker 1: didn't really improve their chances of contending in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: If you subtract Hicks, you say, Garrett out of the
Speaker 1: equation as a depth starter, and you swap out Baker
Speaker 1: for Vodnik, Like, yeah, there's no way to sugarcoat that
Speaker 1: the team didn't get better for twenty twenty six. It's
Speaker 1: more so about if some of these guys that they
Speaker 1: now call up from Triple A are going to fill
Speaker 1: the void, because as we touched on, I think it's
Speaker 1: likely that Gus is going to get his chot at
Speaker 1: redemption at the big league level, and that's the guy
Speaker 1: that has a high ceiling. Even as frustrating as his
Speaker 1: defense is, he has a high ceiling offensively that could
Speaker 1: make a big difference for this team. There's a chance
Speaker 1: that we see Jonathan long before the end of the year,
Speaker 1: acquired at this deadline as well could still see of
Speaker 1: course Camp Alderman too. That's an interesting as well, that
Speaker 1: Howard Dundant's you could say, Kemp Alderman, Jonathan Long, Davison,
Speaker 1: Dale Santos. All these right handed hitting first baseman types
Speaker 1: are now all at Triple A together. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: curious to see how they balance the playing time, and
Speaker 1: I suspect it won't be juggling all three of them
Speaker 1: for that long.
Speaker 4: I think you see at least you see one.
Speaker 1: Of them at the big league level at some point
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks, just because I don't think it
Speaker 1: would make a whole lot of sense otherwise to kind
Speaker 1: of have that big crowd down there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 1: So any other final thoughts for you guys. I think
Speaker 1: we'll just close this out if Carver doesn't magically pop
Speaker 1: in up right, I could not have time it any better.
Speaker 1: As I was finishing that sentence, Alex Carver logs in
Speaker 1: and Carver camera is set up. Well, here's some final
Speaker 1: words for him. Wellnest gonna thank you to everybody that
Speaker 1: joined on the stream. This is our best attendance stream
Speaker 1: of the entire year. I think it even surprissed the
Speaker 1: MLB draft stream that we had a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: as well as some of the other reaction shows that
Speaker 1: we've don on. So thank you for that, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we're able to have some intriguing moves to
Speaker 1: cover as well.
Speaker 4: Some people have asked about the update.
Speaker 1: To our prospect list, that we'll be doing that very
Speaker 1: soon to incorporate both the draft picks and some of
Speaker 1: these trade acquisitions, a few of whom are definitely gonna
Speaker 1: crack the top thirty.
Speaker 4: And yeah, else we have any thoughts in here.
Speaker 5: Something worth known is that the Pirates just announced that
Speaker 5: Mitch Teller will be is just placed on the sixty day,
Speaker 5: I will be out for the remainder of the year.
Speaker 5: So that might go to explain why they acquired so
Speaker 5: many relievers and ay Man, who knows late Balker maybe
Speaker 5: opening in Pittsburgh has something to think about. Don't know
Speaker 5: what their death looks like at Triple A or if
Speaker 5: they have other guys that can stretch out, But I
Speaker 5: feel I believe, yeah, that that does stink, But yeah,
Speaker 5: I believe that it explains why the Pirates went so
Speaker 5: all in on getting as many arms as they could.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Are you with us, Carver, We'll give you about thirty
Speaker 1: more seconds to check in at least with the audio.
Speaker 8: Just thought, yeah, I on my phone. Uh yeah, No,
Speaker 8: I think overall you guys are probably covered it. I'll
Speaker 8: listen back. But I think overall they did good. Could
Speaker 8: have been better. Yeah, I think the Hicks return could
Speaker 8: have been better. But I think that Peter is really
Speaker 8: likes that that race system. He likes how they groomed
Speaker 8: their players. He trusts in their development. They've done well
Speaker 8: with the rays before.
Speaker 5: So yeah, could they have done better?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think probably, But I think overall, you know,
Speaker 8: it is one year and he has slowed down in July,
Speaker 8: or did slow down in July with Hicks's bat, you know,
Speaker 8: So I think that they got what they could. There's
Speaker 8: volatility to him. I mean, he could definitely slow down
Speaker 8: next year, hopefully not for the race. But I think
Speaker 8: that trade was good. And then I think overall, not
Speaker 8: to go too long. It really answers for the lack
Speaker 8: of depth. What they did overall answers for the lack
Speaker 8: of depth that they had at the lower levels of
Speaker 8: the miners, particularly with pitching. So I think a few
Speaker 8: of these prospects that come back. They were a good
Speaker 8: system in terms of the layer of prospects that they
Speaker 8: had at double A and triple A. But now they're
Speaker 8: a lot better after today with with the moves that
Speaker 8: they made to answer for some of those gaps, particularly pitching,
Speaker 8: which has been a revolving door at low A and
Speaker 8: high A all year. They've been signing guys off the
Speaker 8: street so they get some good arms back which will
Speaker 8: go to those levels and help them become a multifaceted
Speaker 8: system and be better longer, which of course is the
Speaker 8: goal of this franchise. Those who don't like it, you're
Speaker 8: entitled to your opinion, but this is who you're a
Speaker 8: fan of. You're a fan of the Marlins who need
Speaker 8: to be good long term from within, and they answered
Speaker 8: for that today, maybe a little bit at the expense
Speaker 8: of this year. Yeah, by trading Hicks, for sure, But
Speaker 8: that's who the Marlins are. They want to be better,
Speaker 8: they want to be good for more than one year,
Speaker 8: so on the fringe of the playoffs. I think this
Speaker 8: was smart for Bendix to do to be good for
Speaker 8: a longer amount of time. So fans are more than
Speaker 8: welcome to hate it. I understand that sentiment, but I'm
Speaker 8: with it because I understand what they need to do
Speaker 8: with the minor leagues and become a feeder system, and
Speaker 8: I think they're a lot.
Speaker 5: Closer to doing that today.
Speaker 1: Those are my thoughts go out on this very last
Speaker 1: question from Tony if you had to project to the
Speaker 1: Marlins still make the playoffs or not, and the way
Speaker 1: that I put it is that at least they still
Speaker 1: have a chance. I think they still kept what I
Speaker 1: feel were all the integral pieces on the position player
Speaker 1: side they traded between Hicks and Norby. Those are guys
Speaker 1: that it could be useful for other organizations. But we're
Speaker 1: kind of misfits with this team even right now, and
Speaker 1: especially you know, moving to twenty twenty seven and beyond that.
Speaker 1: I think they can do just find kind of overcoming
Speaker 1: that that some of the rumors that Vans had to say,
Speaker 1: we're pretty distressing the fact that they even listened on
Speaker 1: Auto Lopez, one of the top ten most valuable players
Speaker 1: in all baseball this season. The fact that they would
Speaker 1: even consider moving in right now, that they were open
Speaker 1: to moving X and stours like any of those moves
Speaker 1: that it would have been really difficult to see a
Speaker 1: pass to the playoffs without them, especially if you swap
Speaker 1: them for minor leaguers, it's possible. I think you just
Speaker 1: got to keep hammering home the concern with the rotation
Speaker 1: that that has been. They've been able to survive it
Speaker 1: in stretches, able to throw despite their rotation depth in stretches,
Speaker 1: especially during the month at June where things were about
Speaker 1: as thin as they are right now, and yet that
Speaker 1: was a record setting month for the team. Then they've
Speaker 1: found ways to manage these other versatile relievers to fill
Speaker 1: the void. It's just that they're not well positioned at
Speaker 1: all to deal with another injury when it comes to that,
Speaker 1: And there's just no way to reliably say that you
Speaker 1: know that Sandy and Uri are gonna make every single
Speaker 1: start the rest of the way at this level, this
Speaker 1: elite level that they've been performing lately, and I don't
Speaker 1: think you can have too much confidence in any one
Speaker 1: of Tyler Phillips or Ryan Gusso or Jansen Jung moving
Speaker 1: forward like there's you can squint and see a scenario
Speaker 1: where they're fine. It's just that, Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: was something that of all the starting pitchers available that
Speaker 1: would have loved to see some sort of investment on
Speaker 1: that side. They so the rotation stays healthy and as
Speaker 1: they'll need some of these rookie hitters to hit the
Speaker 1: ground running too well, not just rookies, but Gus as well.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of circled him at this staff
Speaker 1: round table that we did coming out of the All
Speaker 1: Star break, right into the All Star break, is that Guss,
Speaker 1: to me, is going to be an actually significant player
Speaker 1: for this team down the stretch. A meaningful player, I
Speaker 1: should say, like an X factor for this team. That
Speaker 1: if Gus is able to hit and he's able to
Speaker 1: not give away games as a catcher give away too
Speaker 1: many games, I should say, like, that's a guy that
Speaker 1: raises the ceiling for this team, especially against left handed pitching,
Speaker 1: and helps them. Like it's not out of the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility to think that Gus can be as important
Speaker 1: to this team the final few months of the season
Speaker 1: as Liam Hicks was the past few months. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds crazy, but I think that's within the realm
Speaker 1: of possibilities for him. So, whether it's Tim and a
Speaker 1: couple other guys not on Triple A, that camp Alderman
Speaker 1: is another one we touched on where he hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: his opportunity yet. You have no idea how a first
Speaker 1: time player is going to do with his initial taste
Speaker 1: at the big leg level, so that the error bars
Speaker 1: are huge. And so that's kind of the disconcerning element
Speaker 1: to it is that this team, this team definished with
Speaker 1: the worst record than they did last year, Like that's
Speaker 1: part of it. With a few injuries, and if the
Speaker 1: young hitters actually slump down the stretch, like they could
Speaker 1: go into a bit of a tailspin down the start too.
Speaker 1: It's just that the upside is there for them to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I think they're a better team right
Speaker 1: now than they were a year ago at this time,
Speaker 1: almost the exact same record at this time a year ago,
Speaker 1: but I feel better about their chances of actually making
Speaker 1: the postseason then did a year ago. So let me
Speaker 1: find a word from you guys on that. So you
Speaker 1: feel like they have a better path to actually sneaking
Speaker 1: in as wild card this year compared to coming out
Speaker 1: of the deadline in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting situation right because the Braves and the
Speaker 3: Phillies both made quite a bit of addition. So in
Speaker 3: part of that, I'm not even going to talk about
Speaker 3: the Braves. With the Phillies, they'd getting a lot better.
Speaker 3: They added a Rise, they added Brooks Railing to their bullpen.
Speaker 3: They're a tough team and they do currently hold the
Speaker 3: third wildcard spot, so they are in the same fight
Speaker 3: that the Marlins find themselves in for a wildcard spot.
Speaker 3: The Diamondbacks got better, the Pirates got better, the Podgers
Speaker 3: got better. You look at the list of teams on here,
Speaker 3: the Marlins, the Cardinals, and the Nationals either stayed kind
Speaker 3: of put or got a little worse. And you can
Speaker 3: make the Cardinals got a lot worse because they traded May.
Speaker 3: They traded someone else in that tourist trade, and they
Speaker 3: traded Lars Newbar Nationals traded Foster Griffin, and they recently
Speaker 3: traded Luis Garcia. The Marlins traded Hicks, Boker, norby May,
Speaker 3: a ton of guys. The Marlins, I think, are the
Speaker 3: team there that kind of stands pat the most and
Speaker 3: continues to have a decent shot that they still have
Speaker 3: a good bullpen. They added to the bullpen. You're gonna
Speaker 3: get Bender back at some point. We'll see when Meyer
Speaker 3: comes back. I mean, your offense is still good because
Speaker 3: Griffin Cohenen has been really good, Casey's been good. They're
Speaker 3: in a good spot. I mean, do they have a
Speaker 3: better chance to last year? I think so. Do I
Speaker 3: think they make it? Probably not, but I think they'll
Speaker 3: make it really interesting. They're a solid team with I
Speaker 3: still think it's a good team, and I think they're
Speaker 3: very much set, not just for this year, but in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. And that was one of the biggest
Speaker 3: things that you know that I know this team was
Speaker 3: looking for to remain competitive in twenty twenty seven. They
Speaker 3: weren't looking to take a step back. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, they so have to face a lot of
Speaker 3: those teams that are in the fight. They still yet
Speaker 3: to play the Cubs. I believe they already played the Padres,
Speaker 3: but they have to play them in San Diego, and
Speaker 3: and they are playing Pittsburgh next week, so they have opportunities.
Speaker 3: And now it's just a matter of you know, sing
Speaker 3: this team could hold up with what they've got, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure Carver could talk about it on the prospect
Speaker 3: and they have guys that are close to already over
Speaker 3: there too, So if they wanted to make deadline additions,
Speaker 3: they could do that from an internal standpoint, if they
Speaker 3: want to add a camp or Canderella Davidson, Like, they've
Speaker 3: got guys that think that could still help, you know,
Speaker 3: from the minor league glove with the major league globe,
Speaker 3: and I know that's a big thing that the moments
Speaker 3: were concerned about. I'm not concerned, but we're really you know,
Speaker 3: keeping in mind, like, hey, we've got guys in double
Speaker 3: and TRIPA that are knocking at the door. If we
Speaker 3: really wanted to, we could also call these guys up
Speaker 3: and they can make an instant impact and kind of
Speaker 3: be those internal trade deadline editions.
Speaker 6: How was just that go? What Kevin said there at
Speaker 6: the end that that's the question now is if they
Speaker 6: decided to use do everything possible they can with the
Speaker 6: options they have, you know, in the system to put
Speaker 6: the team in the best position that's everyone's currently on
Speaker 6: the major ross right now. Awesome, if Marcy kind of
Speaker 6: turns back into the pumpkin he's been yeah at center
Speaker 6: for much of the season now the stretch, and if
Speaker 6: cam Canerella keeps trying to cover off the ball over
Speaker 6: the next two weeks we get to the mid month,
Speaker 6: then do they roll the dice on that kind of
Speaker 6: move or call out you know, Colin Aldam in there
Speaker 6: and start mixing a match again. If the but if
Speaker 6: they stay in it, I go. I definitely think they're
Speaker 6: a better team than last headline. But the fun thing
Speaker 6: for fans to hope for is I go back to
Speaker 6: the last time they made the playoffs. Yeah, we mentioned
Speaker 6: Brex and Garrett being a big pitcher in the Marlins
Speaker 6: rotation for you know, the length of that playoff series
Speaker 6: the last time they were in it. This year, the
Speaker 6: hope is that you somehow, fighting and clawing, get to
Speaker 6: the postseason and you put Sandy Yuri and Max Meyer,
Speaker 6: you know, into a into a playoff series, and that's
Speaker 6: gonna look pretty intimidating until you play that team just
Speaker 6: in Blue at West. But so that's you know, that's
Speaker 6: the hope, you know, for fans, and that's what makes
Speaker 6: this fun. If this team could keep firing at all cylinders.
Speaker 5: I agree with both of you guys. I think they'd
Speaker 5: do a better chance than a year ago. I will
Speaker 5: say this month of August is going to be huge.
Speaker 5: I think the Maron's about to play the same level
Speaker 5: of ball they're playing right now. Get a couple few
Speaker 5: more games over five hundred, because this September is no joke.
Speaker 5: They got to play the Cubs twice, they got to
Speaker 5: play the Dodgers, they got to play in Arizona and
Speaker 5: then at Padres, and then finished it out at home
Speaker 5: against the Braves. So if they end this August, I
Speaker 5: don't know, six five, six, seven games over five hundred,
Speaker 5: and cam Tinnerella still turning the ball at the baseball
Speaker 5: like you said, Sewan and Triple A, then maybe, but
Speaker 5: they're gonna need to prove some you know, get some
Speaker 5: of those wins back from that twelve games did, and
Speaker 5: they're want against a bunch of teams now that I
Speaker 5: really don't think the Diamond Bats are that legit, and
Speaker 5: we've seen Saint Louis and Washington kind of sell off.
Speaker 5: So it'll be pretty much between, in my opinion, Miami,
Speaker 5: San Diego and Pittsford for that final spot. So I
Speaker 5: feel like Philly and the Cubs will hold onto their spot. So,
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know San Diego has the experience,
Speaker 5: but they've also shown that they can collapse late and
Speaker 5: you know, late in season, so it'll be interesting. But
Speaker 5: I think this upcoming week against the Braves and the
Speaker 5: Pirates is gonna be a huge test to or really
Speaker 5: outline where they're going in the nets two much.
Speaker 7: Now, Yeah, I think this team can do it. I
Speaker 7: think they can make the playoffs. It's gonna take luck,
Speaker 7: it's gonna take guys overachieving, even to a degree. But
Speaker 7: just three four weeks ago we were talking about this
Speaker 7: Marlin seed comfortably being in the playoff picture. There were
Speaker 7: ten games over five hundred. They're the fighting fish. I
Speaker 7: think they shot the world. I think they shot the world.
Speaker 7: The core is good enough and if they can get
Speaker 7: back Max Meyer healthy and the bullpen, Michael Peterson, Victor Vodick,
Speaker 7: you have Anthony Bender coming back, and then Pete Fairbanks,
Speaker 7: who's the last week or two has looked really really good.
Speaker 7: Why not, that's a that's a that's a playoff caliber team.
Speaker 7: And not to mention the National League as a whole
Speaker 7: in the wild card picture asn't.
Speaker 5: No one's really pulled away.
Speaker 7: So you know, at the very we're gonna be watching
Speaker 7: every night and and these meet these are gonna be
Speaker 7: meaningful games. And so yeah, I think this Marlin seem
Speaker 7: absolutely can be a playoff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would agree with all of you guys, I
Speaker 8: think that they're in a better spot this year than
Speaker 8: they were last. I also to add on to your point, Jeremiah,
Speaker 8: but the bullpen getting stronger with Bender coming back. Peterson's
Speaker 8: proved he could do it a high leverage last night
Speaker 8: was crazy. What he did to to get that game
Speaker 8: to where it was. Fairbanks has been better, thankfully, living
Speaker 8: out to the contract or starting to at least, even
Speaker 8: though he made the last game a little bit interesting again.
Speaker 4: But he got it done.
Speaker 8: And then, Uh, to add on to your point of
Speaker 8: back guys coming back at Acnes coming back who I
Speaker 8: still really like. You also have guys in the miners
Speaker 8: that can still contribute, like Ralston. Maybe they go to
Speaker 8: him at some point, who's been really really good all year,
Speaker 8: you know. So there's there's definite room for that bullpen
Speaker 8: to be even better, even though they lost Barker today.
Speaker 8: I like the addition of Votnik as you allude to
Speaker 8: Kevin to help out protend in high leverage.
Speaker 5: He could also I.
Speaker 8: Think go multiple winning. So I like that. So I
Speaker 8: think the bullpen did get a little bit better today
Speaker 8: with that addition. So yeah, I don't think there's any
Speaker 8: reason why they shouldn't make it.
Speaker 5: I think the X factor will be.
Speaker 8: What happens with the bat or bats that they call
Speaker 8: it from the miners. You guys, Alitered to Cainderella Augustin,
Speaker 8: just make him a bat only please potentially Kem B. Alderman,
Speaker 8: Potentially this guy Long. I could see that guy making
Speaker 8: some kind of impact with the Marlins that they got
Speaker 8: back today. He's been doing well in the minors ops
Speaker 8: over eight hundred, so I think that he could potentially
Speaker 8: make an impact to Marlins.
Speaker 5: They liked that guy for a while from what I understand.
Speaker 8: So I think that he could be a guy too
Speaker 8: at some point to be a bat. So yeah, I
Speaker 8: definitely think that they're still plenty more than alive. This
Speaker 8: wasn't a complete cell. They did a little bit of both,
Speaker 8: as you guys saw late in this.
Speaker 5: Period of the deadline.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean, I'm also glad for fresh starts
Speaker 8: for Norby. That'll clear out a spot at third base
Speaker 8: for them to call a guy up to triple A.
Speaker 5: We'll see what they do.
Speaker 8: Is that, you know, berries on the dev list, so
Speaker 8: there's gonna be a lot of movement in the miners
Speaker 8: as well. When it comes to that side of things,
Speaker 8: which we can probably get into in the later show.
Speaker 8: But yes, answer the question, I do think the Runs
Speaker 8: are in a really good spot to potentially win that
Speaker 8: last wildcard spot, but it's gonna take a lot. August
Speaker 8: looks looks looks challenging, but they definitely have a shot.
Speaker 8: They definitely didn't sell off everything, so fans can still
Speaker 8: watch this team every night because I think scourboard watching
Speaker 8: is still.
Speaker 5: Gonna be a thing.
Speaker 1: We're going to wrap it up there after one hour
Speaker 1: and forty one minutes of this trade deadline coverage. Thank
Speaker 1: you again to everybody for joining us, and we'll have
Speaker 1: so much more coverage on the site fish on first
Speaker 1: dot com breaking down all these trades, two of which
Speaker 1: are officially announced and official, and the other two I
Speaker 1: think we'll be joining that in just a matter of moments.
Speaker 1: So yeah, a whole lot to do on the website side,
Speaker 1: but we'll be back, of course, streaming after every single
Speaker 1: series down the stretch of the season, doing unfiltered episodes
Speaker 1: at least once a week down the stretch as well.
Speaker 1: And very interesting deadline from both the major leagues side
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