1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Floomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: People is angry, angry and want to defend our houses, 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: defends our familist. We must demand the immediate negotiation of 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: a peaceful end of the war in Ukraze Floomberg Sound 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: On Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name. She's 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: the supporter of abortion at any time, for any reason, 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: all the way up to him until the moment of birth. 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Congressman Bud wants to be in between a woman and 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: her doctor. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin threatens more missile attacks after hitting Ukraine with 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: the most intense bombardment we've seen since the start of 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the invasion. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: President Biden now promises continued support. Back on the phone 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: today with Vladimir Zilinski, will discuss the dangerous escalation ahead 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: with John Herb's, former US ambassador to Ukraine, now with 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council. Later, partisan rhetoric gets louder on the 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: campaign trail with the weekend of debates and to Trump rallies, 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk with political scientists Samara Clark the University of Arizona, 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: with just now over a month to the mid terms. 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: Analysis from our panel today. Bloomberg Politics contributor and Democratic 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: analyst Genie Schanzano is with us along with Lester Monthson, 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: principle at government relations firm b g R. Ukraine is 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: still digging through rubble after Russia's shop more than eighty 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: missiles at targets across the country. Sounds from Kiev here 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: a day after Vladimir Putin blamed Ukraine for an explosion 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: that damaged a key bridge connecting Crimea to Russia, and 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Putin is threatening more now after targeting civilian infrastructure, civilian 28 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: neighborhoods in this latest barrage. The images are horrifying. Vitali 29 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Klitchko is the mayor of Kiev, angry, angry and want 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: to defend houses, defend President's A. Lensky back on the 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: phone today with President Biden to discuss the need for 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: more air defense is something we discussed earlier today on 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg with Mark Asper, the former Secretary of Defense. I 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: think at this point we need to rush anti aircraft systems, 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: long range anti aircraft, anti missile systems into Ukraine. And 36 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: provide um, you know, Ukraine a veneer of defense, because 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: at this point this seems to be like one of 38 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: the last cards that Vladimir Putin has, and that's the 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: long range bombardment of Sublian cities. It's quite a thought. 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Let's bring in John Herb's, former US Ambassador to Ukraine 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: now senior director of the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center. Ambassador, 42 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: welcome back. We appreciate your being here. French President Emmanuel 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: McCrone says the attacks that we saw by Russia on 44 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: infrastructure in Ukraine represent a deep change in the war. 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Is he right? I would say it represents more maybe 46 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: it perhaps a lot more of the same. This is 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: not the first time Putin has gone after infrastructure, and 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: he's been going after civilian targets since the start of 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: the big invasion, you know. And and the end of February, 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine was able to shoot down only half the missiles 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: fired by Russia. As I read on the terminal here 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: we recall President Zelenski's cry for help, ambassador to close 53 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: the sky. As with the words that he chose when 54 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: he spoke with spoke to a joint session of Congress. 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: Is this simply a matter of providing more long range 56 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: missile defense systems, like Mark Asper said. And if that's 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: the case, how come we happened already? Esper is right. Look, 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: our policy as Moscow has conducted this war of aggression 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: in Ukraine has been adequate, but not as good as 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: it could and should be. Administration has sent lots of 61 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: weapons to Ukraine, and they deserve credit for that. But 62 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: the weapons they've sent have always been you might say, 63 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: of the second rank, second order, and they usually say 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: no before they say yes, before sending weapons of a 65 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: more sophisticated kind. It's like the high Mars with range 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: of KOs which we finally sent at the end of June. 67 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Ukraine should have had in March, but we said no 68 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: until finally we said yes. And that's over a fear 69 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: of escalation, right, correct, they've but they've been intimidated, in 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: my judgment, by Prutin's nuclear threats. Many times we said 71 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: we can't do this because we're afraid moscowe might escalate. 72 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: That is a that is a posture of weakness which 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: is not suitable to our interest. Finally, finally, we we 74 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: seem to have gotten that point right when Biden's spoke 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: very strongly against the threats of nuclear strikes by Plutin 76 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago at the U n and 77 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: on sixty minutes. But before that we kept saying we 78 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: can't do X because again Russia miniscalate esuate we are 79 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: much stronger than Russia. We have a long history of 80 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: deterring Soviet power, which is greater than Prutent's power. We 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: should demonstrate that now. Well, I feel like I'm asking 82 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: this every day at this point, and I'm sure I've 83 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: asked you, ambassador. Is it Do we need to not 84 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: go back to the initial request for miggs from Poland 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: or other other NATO friends that are flying these jets 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: that would be easy for Ukraine to start flying now 87 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: or is the concern that this spills over Ukraine's borders? 88 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Is that why the jets are off limits the Again, 89 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: it comes from a certain timidity on the part of 90 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: the administration, which is unfortunate, which has not served our interest. Again, Look, 91 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: the support we provided to Ukraine has been decent. It's 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: been adequate, but it could be stronger, and it could 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: be if it was if we did the right thing earlier, 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: and if we do the right thing. Now, this world 95 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: will come to a satisfactory and faster that it will 96 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: at the current pace. It just makes you feel like 97 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: what else is behind that door there, that that we 98 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: haven't sent already. That, I mean, the reluctance has really 99 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: been laid bare by conversations like these. They're they're asking 100 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: for attackers, which are missiles which have a range of 101 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: up to three kilometers. They're asking for for more high 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: mars and high mars with longer ranges. Not kilometers that 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: we're sending, but a hundred and fifty kilometers are more. 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: They're asking for tanks, to asking for armed personnel carriers, 105 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: and they're asking for as um. Former Defense Secretary Espert said, 106 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: high range of anti aircraft defense. All these things we 107 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: should be sending, We should be sending. Putin's army is 108 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: on the ropes in Ukraine. We want to help Ukraine 109 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: recapture all of its territories sooner rather than later. Ambassador, 110 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: how real is the possibility of this war spilling over 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: in the neighboring countries crossing the border, Well, it would be. 112 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: It would be improved tool out the possibility of Putin escalating. 113 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: By escalating, I mean going beyond Ukraine or dropping a 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: um tactical nuclear weapon or more to on Ukraine. The 115 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: point is this, Putin's objective is not to take a 116 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: bit of territory in Ukraine's east. It's been objective today 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: is to take political control of Ukraine. As objective tomorrow 118 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: once he has Ukraine in his pocket, is to go 119 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: after other states, including all NATO allies. So he is 120 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: coming for our NATO allies, and we are bound to 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: defend with American troops, so American interests, smart American policies 122 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: to give Ukraine everything it needs to defeat Putin for us. 123 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: So all you are providing is our weapons and money, 124 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: not soldiers and American lives. And therefore and deter Putin 125 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: from doing the same to Estonia or or or another 126 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: former piece of the Soviet Union. That's correct. We appease 127 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Putin in Georgia. We appease Putin when he sees crime. 128 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Let's stop appeasing and let's help you plan Betam so 129 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: again we don't have to worry about our Baltic allies 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: or Polish allies. You've obviously spent time in Kiev, you 131 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: worked their ambassador. When you see images like we saw 132 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: today at this playground on fire. Uh should we expect 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: more attacks on civilians? Is that a strategy? I mean, 134 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe that, but that 135 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: appears to be the next leg as as Mark Espert 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: suggested for Flatimer Putin. Putin has been doing this since 137 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: the start of the big invasion. It's not a rategy, 138 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: it's a tactic which fails. It just makes the Ukrainian 139 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: is more determined to win. And it's not their only 140 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: war crime. You know, they torture your civilians, They are 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: raping women, they are abducting They've abducted tens of thousands, 142 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: even hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children. Something to Russia 143 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: group to go up as Russians torn from the arms 144 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: of their parents. You know, it's war crime after war crimes. 145 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: But the thing is Prutinent has only got that because 146 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: he cannot defute the Ukrainian military. His army has proved 147 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: to be a paper tiger. What do you think happens 148 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: to that bridge from Russia to Crimea in the next 149 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: couple of days. I don't know. My understanding is that 150 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: the Russians have gotten the railroad over the bridge up 151 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: and working, not the not the truck, the lames. So 152 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: this just say, still have partial problem for Prutinent his supplies, 153 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: military supplies for his army in Ukraine and civilian supplies 154 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: to Crimea. But I mean Ukrainians perhaps will have another 155 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: another card to play, But I don't know that per fact. 156 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: Well you know where that is, you know, I keep 157 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: reading people hear these kind of buzzwords of flagship bridge 158 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and keep bridge. Whatever. Can you put this in perspective 159 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: for our listeners as to how important that was to 160 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: go after that particular structure, which, of course Vladimir Putin 161 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: opened on his own. I believe he was the first 162 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to drive across correct that bridge. I've student the spot 163 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: that bridge now rests. Uh. It is a critical logistical 164 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: hub la Moscow, one to provides against civilian supplies to 165 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: the people in Crimea, but then also military supplies for 166 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Rush his army in the south. So if the bridge 167 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: were completely taken out, it would greatly complicate already troubles 168 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: some Crimin military operations in the south, and it would 169 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: spade up Ukraine's counter offensive in the south. What would 170 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: it bean? What would it mean politically for Crimea? How 171 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: would the people of Crimea, I feel about being cut off. Well, 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: the thing to understand is that before Moscow sees Crimea 173 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: in February, a majority of the citizen as the crime 174 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: of residents of Crimea, wanted to remain part of Ukraine. 175 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Even though at that point maybe UM fifty two fifty 176 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: four maximum of the people were ethnic Russians, a majority, 177 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: including some ethnic Russians, wanted to remain part of Crimea. Uh, 178 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: it's unclear what the people of Crimea fial. Now there's 179 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: been a truly massive campaign of repression against Ukrainians, Ukrainian language, 180 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Ukrainian faith. Uh so it may be somewhat different. Now 181 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, even ethnic Russians in Crimea 182 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: who supporting part of Russia and not an enthusiastic about 183 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: the lack of democracy that they faced as Russian citizens, 184 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: who was as when they under control of Keith it 185 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: was more or less a democracy. The attacks on Kiev 186 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: were pretty heavy this time, Ambassador. What does that mean 187 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: for our diplomatic corps and for our our current ambassador 188 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: should they be there. Uh, you know, I was a 189 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: diplomat for thirty one years. Uh, there's a amount of 190 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: risk that comes with the diplomat UM. I think that 191 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: given the importance of this of of our support for Ukraine, 192 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: it's the embassy should stay and I think a very 193 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: clear message should be sent to to Moscow. Did if 194 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: our embassy is hit uh, there will be major, major repercussions. 195 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: Case in point, as we talk about the spirit of 196 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people. This is a remarkable headline on our 197 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: terminal Angry Ukrainians donate five point six million dollars for 198 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: killer drones. This is according to a fund that says 199 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: on Facebook it started raising money for Ukrainian kama Kazi 200 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: drones that have been successfully tested in the battlefield. Knowing, 201 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: of course, Ambassador that we're now seeing Russia use the 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: drones that were provided by Iran. Correct Look, the Ukrainian 203 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: people understand that if Russia wins in this war uh, 204 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: he is going to extinguish Ukrainian nous. That's a phrase 205 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: used by the former president of Russian Indigions and it's 206 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: all over the Russian media. So that's why some people 207 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: call us the war of genercide. If Ukrainians wants to 208 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: live as Ukrainians with Ukrainian culture, Ukrainian institutions in Ukraine. 209 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: They have to be Bristmas war. That's the President. Zelenski 210 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: reinforced that point today, says he wants to wipe Ukraine 211 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. Ambassador John Herbs, great 212 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to have you. Thank you so much for coming back, 213 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to Ukraine. Now with the Atlantic Council. 214 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: The panel is next. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 215 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The 216 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: headline on the terminal Putin escalates with civilian strikes as 217 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: army struggles at front, disturbing images being shown around the world. 218 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: As we assemble our panel here following this deadly weekend 219 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Bloomberg Politics contributor and Democratic analyst Genie Schanzana 220 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: was with us today along with less Months in principle 221 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: of b GR Group, former staff director of the Senate 222 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Foreign Relations Committee. Thanks to both of you for being here, Genie. 223 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: Is it not time to start fulfilling the requests from Ukraine? 224 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: The President was back on the phone today with President Zelenski. 225 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Biden and Zelenski, how many times have they had this 226 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: conversation where he's asking for more longer range more effective 227 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: aircraft even if possible, and if that had been sent 228 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: months ago, would that many of missiles have gotten through today? 229 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: I guess I'm having trouble understanding the delay. Well, you know, 230 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: the reality is we've spent we've sent what sixteen billion 231 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: dollars in aid to this point, and the ambassador is right, 232 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: it's been decent, but it's not been enough to stop 233 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: this onslaught that after the bridge being partially blown up 234 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: over the weekend, and so, you know, the reality is 235 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: either NATO, the West the United States are going to 236 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: have to step up and you know, talk about things 237 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: like an iron dome and Morheimers and or they're going 238 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: to have to put pressure in another direction, and that 239 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: is a direction towards some kind of you know, discussion 240 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: of peace talks and or both. I mean, what I'm hearing, 241 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: and I will tell you from the left is that there, 242 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, little dribbles of it, not a lot. But 243 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: in addition to this sort of criticism that the White 244 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: House isn't doing enough we heard from Mike Pompeo and 245 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: some others, we're also hearing from the far left some 246 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: concern that there hasn't been enough of a push on 247 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: peace talks because as this war escalates and the President 248 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: talks about armageddon, where is this thing going to end? 249 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: So I think the White House is going to feel 250 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: pressure on both of those ends as we go forward 251 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: into the winter. Well it's interesting you say that, because 252 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump sees it the same way, and I'm pretty 253 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: sure he got some applause when he brought this up 254 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: at one of his two rallies. Actually he did it 255 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: at both Nevada, right and UH and Arizona. Here's Donald Trump, 256 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: we must demand the immediate negotiation of a peaceful end 257 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: to the war in Ukraine, or we will end up 258 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: in World War three and there will be nothing left 259 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: of our plan at all, because stupid people didn't have 260 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: a clue. They didn't have a clue. They don't understan 261 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: They really don't understand. I rebuilt our military, I rebuilt 262 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: our nuclear power. They don't understand what they're dealing with 263 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: the power of nuclear They have no idea what they're doing. 264 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: Lester months and these calls are are growing louder and 265 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and granted to Jeanie's point here, we're really just seeing 266 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: them start to crop up here. Questions about the spending 267 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: and now questions about attempts to have peace talks. Of course, 268 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has his own interests here. He says this 269 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: never would have happened because uh, he you know, he 270 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: would have talked everybody down or something. But I wonder 271 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: is this something that progressive Democrats and and conservatives will 272 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: have in common at some point. I think we're all 273 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: getting a little distracted here from what is What is 274 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: in many ways the most important thing that's that's happening 275 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, which is that Ukrainian forces, because of US assistants, 276 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: are pushing Russian forces back and in the direction of 277 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: being out of Ukraine. Now, there's a long way to go, 278 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 1: but on the ground, Zelinski and his fighters are prevailing. 279 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: Kudos to the Biden administration for doing what they have done, 280 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Kudos to Congress for providing the wherewithal to make that happen. Yes, 281 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: there needs to be more missile defense. Yes we should 282 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: be concerned about the use of nuclear weapons. But I 283 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: think talking about a settlement now is totally playing into 284 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: Putin's hands. Uh. Similarly, I think an over emphasis and 285 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: I do mean over over emphasis on missile defense at 286 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: this point might distract us from what is really the 287 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: important thing, which is pushing Russian forces back. That is 288 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: what's happening on the ground. We really should be doubling 289 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: down on that. Vladimir Putin is reacting to his losses 290 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: on the battlefield. Let's make sure they continue. This is why, 291 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: of course the nuke threats keep coming. A genie and 292 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: we we've heard it again. Then Putin's threatening to do 293 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: more targeting of civilian areas like we saw over the weekend. 294 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: You mentioned that word arm again. That was that's what 295 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: got all the play when when when President Biden said 296 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: that last week? But are you not ruling out this 297 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: as a possibility? The more desperate Vladimir Putin gets, You know, 298 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we can rule anything out at this point. 299 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: I mean, we hear from all the experts on this 300 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: in the United States and in the West that that 301 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: is not likely to happen. You know that they put 302 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: the chances around what ten fift percent, So you can't 303 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: rule it out. It's unlikely to happen. It's a difficult 304 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: thing to do. That said, we've all talked about the 305 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: fact that a cornered Putin is a very dangerous Putin, 306 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: and let's not forget they now have a new military 307 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: commander and he was the same guy who is responsible 308 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: for the intervention in Syria. And so this is a 309 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: ferocious response in the last eight hours, with these eight 310 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: plus missiles and the attacks on civilians. So I don't 311 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: think we can rule that out. And I think, you know, 312 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: I thought, quite frankly President Biden talking about that a 313 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: fundraiser was irresponsible myself. But it is, you know, apparently 314 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: something that he is hearing when he is getting these briefings, 315 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: or it's on his mind, and that's got to be 316 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: a frightening prospect. Lester, what do you make of that. 317 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad that Jennie brought it up. General Sergey Savikin 318 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: if I'm saying it right, commander of all troops fighting 319 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, who has quite a reputation for what was 320 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: done in Syria. Does that mean more civilian deaths? Well, again, 321 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I think we need to keep our eye on the ball. 322 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: These these attacks against civilian targets are terrible. The Russians 323 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: should be condemned across the board for them. We should 324 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: be providing missile defense for the Ukraine's They are, however, 325 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: not militarily significant. The real issue is progress on the ground. 326 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: Ukrainians are prevailing. Let's not get distracted from that. You know, 327 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: the Russians very likely blew up their own nord Stream 328 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: terminal a few days ago as another way to distract us. 329 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: It didn't work very well. Who is trying the nuclear rhetoric? 330 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: They're trying these attacks on civilian targets, which are which 331 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: are not going to change the facts on the ground 332 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: unless we let them. So. The more progress that Ukraine makes, though, 333 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: of course, the more potentially desperate Vladimir Putin gets. Not 334 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: that that is new. Lester and Genie stay with us 335 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: our panel for the hour. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. 336 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. We are right in the heart of 337 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: debate season now. Who've got Ohio Senate tonight? I know 338 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: your DVR is set for the Georgia Senate debate on Friday. 339 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: Does anyone use a DVR anymore? This, of course, after 340 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Senate candidates in both Wisconsin and North Carolina held their 341 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: debates over the weekend. You get another spin in Wisconsin 342 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: in a couple of days. It's like holiday season for 343 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: political walks, which is sitting around watching TV all day 344 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: and if you watch a couple of these, well let's 345 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: take the two from over the weekend as our baseline, 346 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: you realize there are two major issues here, and it 347 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: coincides with oversations that we have been having on this 348 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: program for months, and we hate to oversimplify. Look, there 349 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: are great nuances to each race, but it is largely 350 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: when it comes down to these debates about abortion versus inflation. 351 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: What's going to be more important to you? In North Carolina, 352 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Ted Bud, Congressman Ted Bud, of course, the Republican nominee 353 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: went straight for the Democrat, Sherry Beastley on this issue. 354 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: I just think that my opponent is up for abortion. 355 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: She's she's a supporter of abortion at any time, for 356 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: any reason, all the way up to him until the 357 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: moment of birth. And she wants to do that at 358 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: taxpayer expense, all the way to the moment of birth, 359 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: which is something we keep hearing from Republicans on the trail. 360 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Democrats don't always do so well, uh trying to qualify 361 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: their positions. Coming back, Sherry Beastley, by the way, was 362 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: chief Justice of the State Supreme Court. I support the 363 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: Row versus Wade framework, which allows for protects and restrictions 364 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: on abortion later in pregnancy, so that when abortion happens 365 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: later on pregnancy, that it only happens when there are 366 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: serious problems, like when the mother's life is at risk. 367 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: We seek analysis and some assistants here from Samara clar 368 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: professor of political science at the University of Arizona. Donald 369 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: Trump was back in your state over the weekend. I see, Samara, welcome, 370 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: It's great to have you. I wonder if if this 371 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: is going to boil down to something that simple, and 372 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: these are very close racist They're all within a couple 373 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: of points, if not the margin of error here, based 374 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: on what we heard of Wisconsin and North Carolina inflation 375 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: versus abortion. This is what the midterms might be remembered 376 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: for absolutely. I mean things here are so tight in Arizona, 377 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: particularly the governor's race, where we are really not seeing 378 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: any polls that show either candidate outside the margin of error. 379 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: So that's the Lake Hobbs race here. Part of the 380 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: reason is that we don't have the incumbents in that 381 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: right neither. You know, our current governor, dub Doocy is 382 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: is out. He's term limited out, so we've got two newcomers. 383 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: Relatively we have a very, very divided electorate in Arizona 384 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to the proportion of voters who identify 385 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: as Democrat versus Republican. And you're exactly right. I mean, 386 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: the two issues that are at the forefront of people's 387 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: minds include abortion and inflation. Both of those are incredibly 388 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: important here in Arizona because we have this new band 389 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: I believe it was now it's now paused by the courts. 390 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: They're trying to reevaluate it. But there was a new 391 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: ban on airb on abortion in Arizona. Arizona was one 392 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: of the hardest hit states when it came to inflation rates. 393 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: So both of these things are incredibly salient to voters. 394 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: Uh the yeah looks this this is something that you're 395 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: going to be hearing a lot about it. It's it's 396 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: almost like a formula that you know. First, the Republican candidate, 397 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: in an opening statement is as we were in the 398 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: first question, doesn't answer the question, but refers to the 399 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: inflation that has gripped the country that Joe Biden's responsible 400 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: for and that their opponent is part of. Then the 401 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: Democrat comes back around to talk about how he this 402 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: this Republican wants to take your rights away, and we 403 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: go from there. By the way, this this debate coming 404 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: up in Arizona will be an empty chair, right, Carrie 405 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Lake will be alone for half an hour or something 406 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: in the next couple of days. That's right. Hobbs has 407 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: been refusing to debate Lake, which is the whole other 408 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: issue here in Arizona. Hubbs argues that Lake is peddling misinformation. 409 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: She's an election denier. Hobbs does not want to dignify 410 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: her questions with responses. That sort of a thing. You know, 411 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: whether or not this is a great move for Hobbs 412 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: is a bit of a tough question. I think personally, 413 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: you know, Hobbes could probably use a little more name recognition. 414 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: She could probably get out there a little more. Yeah, 415 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she hasn't been performing as well 416 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: as one might expect in the polls, given that, you know, 417 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: we have a fairly popular Democratic senator who is who's 418 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: running again, Mark Kelly. Both suggests that he should win. 419 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a close race, but he looks like 420 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: he's pretty much out of the margin of error, and 421 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: most polls, you would think that that would really be 422 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: a big boost for Hobbs and potentially it has been. 423 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: But you she's not. She's not ahead in any polls. 424 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's neck and neck. What Lake really 425 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: has in her advantages there's more Arizonas who are Republicans 426 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: than our Democrats, and that's going to help any of 427 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: standid it right? I see CNN has Katie Hobbs up 428 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: by three, but the real clear poll of polls has 429 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: Carry Lake up by basically one point. These are so close, Samara, 430 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: whether we're talking about that race, whether we're talking about 431 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: some of the Senate races that I already mentioned, including 432 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: the one that's going to happen in Ohio tonight, will 433 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: debates in the year to actually make any difference. You 434 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: mentioned name recognition. I get that, but but will any 435 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: of these candidates move the needle into televised debates? Well, 436 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: the first thing I would say is when you have 437 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: such a close race, then you really can't risk anything. 438 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean anything could help. At this point, You're gonna 439 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: have candidates out there who are winning by you know, 440 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: five thousand vote margins less you know, thousand vote margins, 441 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Like this is going to become a really really tight race. 442 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Now we don't typically see people change their vote. You know, say, 443 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I came in as a Lake voter, 444 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: but actually I'm voted for Hobbs. That's pretty unlikely, given 445 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: how part is in the population is. But we do 446 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: know a lot of people who just don't want to vote, 447 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: if you know what, I don't like either of them. 448 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: I'm not inspired by either of them. I've been a 449 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: busy day. I don't remember what my ballot is. I'm 450 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: not going to deal with it. What these candidates need 451 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: to do is get the voters who are already sympathetic 452 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: toward them to feel sufficiently motivated to actually show up 453 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: and vote. I mean, that is what they're looking for. Uh. 454 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: The rhetoric that we heard of the Trump rally in 455 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: Arizona over the weekend was pretty remarkable. How much is 456 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: that actually floating carry Lake's campaign? How much is the 457 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: Trump effect driving her popularity? I know that she was 458 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: very well known as a TV anchor before this, sure, 459 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: so I think the Trump of the Trump endorsement, the 460 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: Trump Association is helping her amongst the proportion of Republicans 461 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: who like Trump. But I will stay in my own 462 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: pulling that we've been doing out of Arizona suggests that's 463 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: probably only about half of Arizona Republicans. Republicans here in 464 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: Arizona are actually quite divided when it comes to how 465 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: they feel about Trump. We've got a big proportion of 466 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: Republicans who don't like Trump, who don't you know, they 467 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: vote for him if you were the candidate, because frankly 468 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: their Republicans and those are the policies they support, but 469 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: if they had an option, they would like somebody else. 470 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: Those people are the ones who supported Lake's opponents in 471 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: the primaries. They are the ones who may not want 472 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: to show up and vote on election day. There is, however, 473 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: this other proportion of Republicans in Arizona, about half of 474 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: them who do like Trump, who do respect his endorsement, 475 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: and that is for them a big factor in supporting Lake. 476 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: So you know what it's doing. It's a bit of 477 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: a risky gamble because it's increasing turnout among the base. 478 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: But it is risking turnout, it's risking support among Republicans 479 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: who aren't huge Trump fans. Fascinating is always to check 480 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: in with Samara Clara. Thank you, Samara for your insights. 481 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Political scientists at the University of Arizona right there where 482 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: it's happening right now, and will reassemble our panel next. 483 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: Lester Munson's with us today along with Jeannie Chanzano. I'm 484 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew in Washington. We'll bring into one of these 485 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: Trump rallies coming up. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to 486 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. As 487 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: we reassemble our panel following a wild weekend on the trail, 488 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: not just the debates, but to Trump rallies and a 489 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: whole bunch of smaller rallies for candidates. As everyone comes 490 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: to grips with the fact that there's a month to go. 491 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: That'll be the headline tomorrow, right, one month to go 492 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: until the mid terms, and we're just still playing music, 493 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: which is fine, but it keeps me moving. After the 494 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: debate in North Carolina, it did leave me questioning the 495 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: sort of approach to the issues that we were just 496 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: talking about, uh a few moments ago with Samara Clark, 497 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: and namely abortion, because Democrats don't always have the retort 498 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: if this is gonna be the issue here that is, 499 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, at the ready when this stuff comes up, 500 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: here's Sherry Beasley again debate with Senator's head. But the 501 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: bottom line is Congressman Bud wants to be in between 502 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: a woman and her doctor, and there is no place 503 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: in the exam room for Congress and Bud. So that 504 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: line got a lot of attention, and UH find it's 505 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: sound biteable, people walk away, whether it gets lots of 506 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: replays on Twitter and so forth. Uh, But as I 507 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: played for you before, Ted Bud is much more to 508 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the point in his argument here has we've been hearing 509 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: from Republican candidates around the country right abortion up until 510 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: the moment of birth. I just think that my opponent 511 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: is up for abortion. She's she's a supporter of abortion 512 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: at any time, for any reason, all the way up 513 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: to him until the moment of birth. And she wants 514 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: to do that at taxpayer expense. And if you ask 515 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I mean his rallies, he says, up until 516 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: the moment of birth. And after let's reassemble the panel 517 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: for their thoughts on the rhetoric here, Jeanie Schanzana, when 518 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Lester Munson are with US Democratic analysts Bloomberg Politics can 519 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: tributor Jeannie Chanzano and Lester months in of b g 520 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: R Group, former staff director of the Senate Form Relations Committee. 521 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I had to pull you both into this, but this 522 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: is one of the most important debates in the country 523 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: right now, Jennie, How did Democrats answer what is essentially 524 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: an untrue accusation. Yeah, I mean it's fascinating because both 525 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: sides are trying to say that the other side is 526 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: more extreme and um, you know, it's like an extremist 527 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: debate out there, and you know, Democrats have to do 528 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: a good job of making the case that they're what 529 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: their positions are, what their limits are. I did hear 530 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Alyssa Slatkin over the weekend from Michigan. She was on 531 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: the air when she was asked this question. I thought 532 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: she did a good job. She basically made the case 533 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: that she wants to codify ROW and that there should 534 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: be restrictions on third the third trimester, and that people 535 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: who are claiming otherwise, uh, they need to be responded to. Um. 536 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: So you know there is a response out there. But 537 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: the more they are hit on this, the more they're 538 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: going to have to shore up how they respond in 539 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: this way. And I would also just say that Bernie 540 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: Sanders had a really interesting op ed out over the 541 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: last day or so, claiming that Democrats have to get 542 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: off the only focusing on abortion issue and also address 543 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the economic issue as well. So there's two sides to 544 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: this that they have doing well, that's for sure. It's 545 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: just when it comes to, you know, being painted into 546 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: a corner here, Lester, it does seem like at times 547 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: Democrats are allowing that to happen here. Senator Ron Johnson, 548 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: of course, the Republican from Wisconsin, in his debate over 549 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: the weekend, it's almost word for word what we heard 550 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: from Ted. But the most extreme position here would be 551 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: no limits on abortion whatsoever, allowing an abortion right to 552 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: the moment of birth, which is what the lieutenant governments 553 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: governor supports. That's technically not true, Lester. I mean, obviously, Uh, 554 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: there are emergencies that might lead to something like that 555 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: late in a pregnancy, but that really doesn't happen very often. 556 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: That's that is considered extreme and extreme medical procedure. Uh. 557 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: If Democrats are going to make abortion the issue going 558 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: into the mid terms here, don't they need a better 559 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: reply on that? Yeah? I think they do. The Republican. 560 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: You know, when the Dobb's decision first came down a 561 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: few months ago. Republicans were really amazingly on their heels 562 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: and didn't have much constructive to say about it. And 563 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: we're and we're really uh kind of on the receiving 564 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: end of the attacks. They've they've turned that around to 565 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: some extent. The rhetoric we're seeing and uh, this this 566 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: is you know, election end of campaign rhetoric is more 567 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: effective than where they had been a few months ago. 568 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: So they've been they've been testing some messages and they've 569 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: been doing a better job, I would say, of addressing 570 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: the issue at least in some fashion. Democrats need to 571 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: be clear. I do think, uh, you know this this 572 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: is this is not a presidential year election, so turnout 573 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: is what both sides are looking for. The fact that 574 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: both sides are kind of looking to get to the 575 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: middle on us, I guess I take some heart in 576 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: and they're not just going to their extremes and trying 577 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: to drive out the most motivated voters. So I think 578 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: that's interesting that with regard to this issue. Sure, I 579 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: think you know, you're seeing some Democrats admit that they'll 580 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: will be in favor of some restrictions and Republicans focusing 581 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: less on you know, a ban from the moment of 582 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: conception and more on taxpayer funding and late term abortion. 583 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: To me, from the kind of from arms length of way, 584 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: I see this as both sides kind of talking a 585 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: little bit at least towards the middle. So I take 586 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: I take some heart in that you mentioned end of 587 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: campaign rhetoric. I think it's how you put it. Lester Genie, 588 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard Marjorie Taylor Green over 589 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: the weekend, who is at the Arizona or the Trump 590 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: Arizona rally just yesterday? Uh, coming out full blown replacement theory. Listen, 591 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's five million illegal aliens are on the verge 592 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: of replacing you, replacing your jobs, and replacing your kids 593 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: in school, and coming from all over the world. They're 594 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: also replacing your culture, and that's not great for America. 595 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: Just imagine how that played on Twitter. I'm sure the 596 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: replies are still coming in here. Jeannie, this is the 597 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: stuff that that motivates voters at the last minute. What's 598 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: the point, Well, you know she's speaking at a Trump 599 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: campaign rally. Um. We also heard Tommy Tupperville out making 600 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: comments in another area that that we're equally offensive to 601 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: many people. Um, so they're speaking to a particular audience. 602 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: And and you know, I did see the reaction on Twitter, 603 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and it has been swift, as it always is with 604 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green or in this case, Tommy Tupperville. Um, 605 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: but you know, this is not the reality is is 606 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,239 Speaker 1: that for Republicans and Democrats. You know, Lester is right, 607 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: they have to get their base out to vote in 608 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: this mid term, but the real fight is in the suburbs, 609 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: and it is in terms of the moderates independence, particularly 610 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: women in some of these critical states like Georgia, like Nevada, 611 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: and so in that case, this you know, extreme language 612 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: is not helpful to them. And that's a real problem 613 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: and that has long been a problem on the Republican 614 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: side that they're going to have to watch it. You 615 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: mentioned Tommy Tubberville, Republican from Alabama, the senator spoke the 616 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: night earlier at the Nevada rally, and we did have 617 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: to bleep what he said. But it's not the swear 618 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: words that offended people. Some people say, well, they're soft 619 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: on crime. No, they're not soft on crown. They're pro crime. 620 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: They won't crime, they won't crime because they want to 621 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: take over what you got. They want to control what 622 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: you have. They want reparation because they think the people 623 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: that do the crime are owed debts. They're not that lester. 624 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: The crowd loved it. Who is that helping? Though? I 625 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: mean I realized this as a Trump rally, But I mean, 626 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: are you really we're going to go there when on 627 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: reparations and a white man from Alabama? How's that going 628 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: to help turn out? Uh? It's pretty it's pretty gross. Um. 629 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing here is less is less 630 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: about trying to win elections here in November two and 631 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: more about the Republican primary for president in and uh 632 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: and the former president trying to position himself as far 633 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: to the right as possible so that no one can 634 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: outflank him in the primaries. He's that will start in 635 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: really a few months. Uh, and so he's he's worried 636 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: about ryand de Santas, he's worried about some of these 637 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: other younger Republicans coming up and challenging him. He's trying 638 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: to put a stake in the ground that no one 639 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: will be able to get around to the right. And 640 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: it's uh so that's that's I think what we're seeing 641 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: without defining the right here, I haven't even played Donald 642 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: Trump yet he provided it was with the with so 643 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: much fodder here. He of course spoke at his own rallies, 644 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: and I have to ask you, I mean, while we're 645 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: while we're kind of taking a second look at some 646 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: ideas here, this idea of the Chinese restaurant in the 647 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: bowling alley. I know if you're you're on board with this, 648 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: But the president called for an investigation into uh, most 649 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: of the presidents who preceded him, George H. W. Bush, 650 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, saying that they 651 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: also mishandled documents, but he he had a different way 652 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: of getting to it. With George H. W. Bush. George H. W. 653 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley 654 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: and a former Chinese restaurant where they combined them. So 655 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: they're in a bowling alley slash Chinese restaurant. Now, I 656 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: don't think so, I as I have learned since then. Uh. 657 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: This is from an unrelated story from about mishandling of 658 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: computer data under the H. W. Bush administration. The Chinese 659 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: restaurant in Bowling alley comes from a year later associated 660 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: press report about how the president, the former president stored 661 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: uh everything from his life in this massive, where house 662 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: like room that was a at one time a bowling alley. 663 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: It was next door to what was once a Chinese restaurant. 664 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: But we've got a whole new part of the stump 665 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: speech here, Genie. It does make for good visuals, I guess, yeah. 666 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: I mean this is typical Donald Trump. You know, it's 667 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: his usual defense of you know, everybody's doing it, why 668 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: don't you look at the other guy? And he also 669 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: called in Hillary Clinton and you know, all of the 670 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: former presidents. You know, initially when the stories came out, 671 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: as we recall, um, he made this claim about Barack Obama, 672 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: and now he has expanded it to include all of 673 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: the former presidents and one of his opponents. And and 674 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: the reality is is it's a very different scenario. The 675 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: National Archives took these documents to this facility because it 676 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: was in the same city where Bush was opening his library. 677 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: That is a far cry from what Donald Trump is 678 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: accused of. But of course this plays into his narrative 679 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: that the FBI has politicized that you know, he that 680 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: he is you know under attack, and you know everybody 681 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: else is doing it, but why aren't they being investigated? 682 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: Kind of Jeb Bush tweeted this out, said, my dad 683 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed a good Chinese meal, enjoyed the challenge of seven 684 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: ten split. What the heck is up with you? We'll 685 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: meet you back here tomorrow with highlights from the Ohio debate. 686 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg.