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Speaker 2: All right, Hi, everybody, Raiders, hold on to beat the

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Speaker 2: Packers in Las Vegas seventeen to thirteen before I get

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Speaker 2: to tie dun Tyler Dunn at golongtv dot com and

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Speaker 2: covering the Packers for a long time previously at the

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Journal, now has his own business. You know, I

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Speaker 2: had a couple of observations. You know, I watched Matt Lafleur,

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Speaker 2: the coach of the Packers. You know, I watch him

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Speaker 2: on the sidelines watching Jordan Love, and it really hit

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Speaker 2: me tonight. He looks like coach of the Packers looks

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Speaker 2: like as he watches his young quarterback play. He looks

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Speaker 2: like I did when my kids would pull out of

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Speaker 2: the driveway right after they got their license. I was optimistic,

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Speaker 2: but wasn't going to be surprised if something really bad happened,

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Speaker 2: like a wreck. He doesn't call a game like he

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Speaker 2: has a ton of confidence in Jordan love.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: He's not tier one guy. He's not going to be

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Herbert Mahomes, Burrow, Jalen Hurts. He's not get

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Speaker 2: that out of there? Can he be a tier two guy?

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Speaker 2: A Derek Carr, Dak Cousins. I think it's fifty to

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Speaker 2: fifty take out that Bears game, and even in that

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Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of special. A very good

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Speaker 2: many Green Bay Packer players, had told me he didn't

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Speaker 2: see a lot of juice, a lot of special. You know,

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Speaker 2: if he's a tier two guy, if he's Derek Carr,

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Speaker 2: he's garoppolo. You who win playoff games surrounded by the

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Speaker 2: right people, You're not going to carry a franchise. That's

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Speaker 2: not the kind of talent he is. He wasn't that

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Speaker 2: His last interception. Two of his interceptions were really bad.

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Speaker 2: But there's not a lot to look at for me,

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Speaker 2: you know again, Romeo Dobbs had a drop on that

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Speaker 2: Lawrence Jags drop six seven balls per game. Mahomes gets

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Speaker 2: balls drop too. You got to bake that in, right,

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Speaker 1: So I listen.

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Speaker 2: It's not like he doesn't have the physical ability. He's

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Speaker 2: a Raiders team that doesn't create turnovers got three picks.

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Speaker 2: Not great. So the wise guys like the Raiders. I

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Ty Dunn at golongtv dot com. He's

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Speaker 2: got thoughts, live in Buffalo. He wrote a piece this

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Speaker 2: morning on the Bills, Jags and the Steeters win, so

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things I wrote down tonight

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Speaker 2: of the third quarter, Jordan Love only had fifteen attempts

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Speaker 2: and nine completions. Garoppolo had eighteen completions on twenty seven throws.

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Speaker 2: Telling me Josh McDaniels had more confidence in his quarterback

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Speaker 2: I'd be okay with fifteen throws of Aaron's healthy and

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Speaker 2: Dylan's rolling downhill. But it does look like that they're

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? I think so. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was like the finally took shots. I think Christian

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Speaker 4: Watson had like two targets. Middle of the fourth quarter

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Speaker 2: I was hopeful, but if something bad happened, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be shocked. Matt Lafleur looks almost uncertain and kind of

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Speaker 2: just quick, decisive decision making. C J. Stroud has been

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Speaker 2: I can't explain it. Some guys see the field, some

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Speaker 2: I he got not much in camp Baltimore Ravens opener,

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Speaker 2: and you can see he sees the field when you

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Speaker 2: talk to you know, packers and sometimes anonymously. Is what

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Speaker 2: you're seeing surprising or is this kind of what you

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Speaker 2: were told?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think that they knew. I think they knew there'd

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Speaker 4: be growing pains, but didn't It just seem so disjointed

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Speaker 4: There's drop even if you look at those two deep

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Speaker 4: So it's a pretty bad mix when you when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the one thing I've I said last

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Speaker 2: The Packers had an extra day. They go from a

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Speaker 2: be more motivators. It's about blowing stuff up. You know,

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Speaker 2: your Tomlins, your Sean McDermott's. Extra time may not be

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Speaker 2: I got extra time in a Monday, and that's it

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Speaker 2: against the Raider team that had struggled to take the

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Speaker 1: Like this is the first time.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Packer fan, you kind of come out

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Speaker 2: and you say this ain't great, right, Like it's not good.

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Speaker 4: You know you've got a plotting AJ Dillon giving you

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Speaker 4: didn't start the season.

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Speaker 1: You're still without Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 4: Here, it's on the coach to your point to scheme

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Speaker 4: want to sit here and make excuses I mean every

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Speaker 2: You covered it your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Excuse like they they've got to win that game and

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Speaker 4: When you don't have Tradavius White. You don't have Matt Mulano.

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Speaker 2: Dak with a Dalton Schultz and cde lamp and now

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Speaker 2: I just see him with Ceede Lamb. Who can you

433
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Speaker 2: can roll the coverage over there's I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: a great supporting cast. I think they're we get tight end.

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Speaker 2: I think they're okay at running back. The online is good,

436
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Speaker 2: it's not special. But with brock Purty, I've only seen

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Speaker 2: him with a great coach and great weapons. My guess

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Speaker 2: is he's a good quarterback. He's in the B class,

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Speaker 2: maybe a B minus I have. But Farv, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's what's what does he say? What does he see?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves brock Purty, and he brought up a conversation.

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Speaker 4: He talks to Ron Wolf about twice a month still

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Speaker 4: obviously the Hall of Fame general manager who traded for

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Speaker 4: Brett Farv when everybody thought he was nuts stuff the

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Speaker 4: packers were giving up for shrub pickups and his way

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Speaker 4: out of Atlanta, and Bret Brett told some stories from

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Speaker 4: those days too. It was it was rough. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he knows he could have been. It never was with

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Speaker 4: how he was living. But Ron Wolf traded for Brett

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Speaker 4: Farv and you know he far failed as physical. They

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Speaker 4: told him like but this condition he had that he'll

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Speaker 4: be out of the league in three years, and Rod

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Speaker 4: Wolf didn't care. He traded for him. Wanted him because

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Speaker 4: he just saw an it factor to him. He really

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Speaker 4: was a winner. He knew guys would rally around him,

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Speaker 4: want to play for him, want to fight for him.

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Speaker 4: And watching Brock Purty, Brett Brett sees that the same

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff that guys just they elevate their play

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Speaker 4: for him. And it's always hard to put your finger

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Speaker 4: on it because it can sound cliche and corny, but

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Speaker 4: it matters in pro football. I mean, there are quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: and Brett's has said this too in the NFL when

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Speaker 4: he played, and today, guys don't want to run through

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Speaker 4: a wall for you. I mean they might say nice

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Speaker 4: things about you in the press, but when it's the

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Speaker 4: fourth quarter and they don't, they don't give that little extra,

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Speaker 4: is the way Brett put it. He thinks those forty

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Speaker 4: nine ers are giving a little something extra for Brock Party.

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Speaker 4: And didn't you see that right away in that Miami game.

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Speaker 4: I mean when he took over for Garoppolo and they're

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Speaker 4: playing Mike McDaniels offense and they got to have it. Boy,

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Speaker 4: everybody just elevated their play for this guy. And he

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Speaker 4: can hit everythrow. I mean, Kyle Shanahan is telling him

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Speaker 4: exactly where to throw the ball before the play. He's

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Speaker 4: making the throws and there is a skill like what

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Speaker 4: he lacks in size and athleticism and arm strength and

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Speaker 4: all of that, similar to Tua. You know, he just

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Speaker 4: places that ball in stride to these receivers. They don't

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Speaker 4: they don't break strider. It's like handing up Aton in

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Speaker 4: a four by one. They just keep moving. And as

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Speaker 4: long as he's doing that in this NFC, why can't

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Speaker 4: it win a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Well, the other advantage is he was a multiple year

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Speaker 2: starter in high school, a four year starter in college.

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Speaker 2: He's got seven eight years of starting, right, that's a

487
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Speaker 2: lot of snaps. I mean, Kyler Murray comes out one

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Speaker 2: big year. A lot of these guys, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: Kenny pickett advantage. He played in the same stadium he

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Speaker 2: started for years, so you know, generally the feeling is

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Speaker 2: if you're great, you come out early. I didn't think.

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Speaker 2: I mean one GM told me Kenny Picketty he felt

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Speaker 2: like he was a top of the third quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: Kenny had so many reps. He got the advantage of

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Speaker 2: a great culture, the Steelers, same stadium, just the other

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Speaker 2: side of the locker room. And so I think Kenny

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Speaker 2: Pickett feels fairly comfortable. And when I watch Brock Purdy,

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Speaker 2: that's the word I would use. He feels comfortable. He's

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Speaker 2: taken a ton of snaps. I mean, god, I felt

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Speaker 2: bad for Trey Lance. Trey Lance barely played in college,

501
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Speaker 2: then the COVID year, then he gets hurt. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the guy barely took snaps in a three year period.

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Speaker 2: It's like Jordan Love. Now, I don't see a lot

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Speaker 2: of special I was told during camp by somebody who

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Speaker 2: I trust that he was fine. There wasn't There wasn't

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Speaker 2: a lot of wow there. That's kind of what I see.

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Speaker 2: But let's be honest, Like Trey Lance and Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: just haven't played games. And so I do feel like

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Speaker 2: as we pivot back to Jordan Love and wrap it up,

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Speaker 2: I just I just want to see. I said, give

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Speaker 2: me about ten games, give me the thanksgiving. The physical

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Speaker 2: parts are there, that's the good.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: I watched Mac Jones like he's slow, he doesn't already

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Speaker 2: have a second gear. He's not a power thrower. Like

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Speaker 2: with Mac. It's like white Flag, like it just feels

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Speaker 2: like it's over. Zach Wilson. I don't think he sees

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Speaker 2: the field particularly well. He even though he's only he's

519
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Speaker 2: six to two, he feels small, plays hero ball. I

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Speaker 2: don't think any of that stuff with Jordan Love. I

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Speaker 2: just think he's I think it Takeshi a long time

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Speaker 2: to get into rhythm.

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Speaker 1: That's what I see. I totally agree. I mean he

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Speaker 1: can do the arm angle stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like the play before one of the interceptions, he kind

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Speaker 4: of side arms it to Muskgrave and it's just so

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Speaker 4: up and down. The very next play the Raiders go

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Speaker 4: to quarter coverage, Marcus Peters just sits on the route

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Speaker 4: and Love throws it into traffic.

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Speaker 1: It's tipped, it's picked. And even that last.

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Speaker 4: Drive and we look at the last three plays, puts

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Speaker 4: it on Romeo Dobbs drop and gets rushed to me

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Speaker 4: to the end third and ten roles left. Probably could

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Speaker 4: have ran for the first down, but the game just ended.

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Speaker 4: But that's how I'm remembering it. And Force is a

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Speaker 4: throat to the end zone. It's just this is the

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff you learn with with more action. He

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Speaker 4: hasn't played for three years, right, you can simulate as

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Speaker 4: much as you can with the Steve Calhoun in California offseason, offseason, offseason,

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Speaker 4: do the same thing with Matt Lafleur and go to

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Speaker 4: OTA's when Aaron Rodgers isn't there. You can do all

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Speaker 4: that stuff, but there's no substitute for the live bullets.

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Speaker 4: He's getting it and it's it's gonna be fun. I

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Speaker 4: think Green Bay is just frustrating for Matt Lafleur to

545
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Speaker 4: not have Aaron Jones, and now they not have David Baktiari.

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Speaker 4: They're clearly hindered around Jordan Love. But like I said,

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Speaker 4: it's no excuse you. You've got to find a way

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Speaker 4: to function and excel and make the plays in the

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Speaker 4: fourth quarter. I do think that Jordan Love will make

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Speaker 4: enough plays in those fourth quarters to give you that

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Speaker 4: hope and Thanksgiving right. I think he'll have these moments

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Speaker 4: like you had in that fourth quarter against the Saints

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Speaker 4: that suggest he's got the mental toughness. He's got that

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Speaker 4: stuff that you can't learn and you can't teach, and

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Speaker 4: they can kind of work around that over time.

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Speaker 2: So okay, here they go. So it's Broncos on the road,

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Speaker 2: winnable game, Vikings at home, Rams at home, Steelers on

558
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Speaker 2: the road. Those are winnable games. You face Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 2: you get Matt Stafford in a young Rams defense at home,

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins at home, now a mess in Denver on

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Speaker 2: the road. So I mean, listen the schedule, it's not daunting.

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Speaker 2: There's some young quarterbacks, young teams, Rams teams struggling Broncos.

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Speaker 2: This is the time you would hope tonight with extra time.

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Speaker 2: This felt like a w to me, So it's really discouraging.

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Speaker 2: You don't beat a Raider franchise. That's always one second

566
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Speaker 2: from turbulence and chaos. But that's where we stand. I think.

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Speaker 2: I guess my takeaway on tonight is I still don't know.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a game on the schedule you

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Speaker 2: should win coming off the Thursday game. Watching Detroit off

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Speaker 2: a Thursday be so fluid, watching a Packer so disjointed,

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Speaker 2: That to me feels discouraging.

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Speaker 1: Especially when Josh McDaniels is doing everything in his power

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Speaker 1: to hands you a game on a silver platter.

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Speaker 4: Just go for it. Fourth and short, Just go for it.

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Speaker 4: Why are you kicking that field goal?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Analytics said go for it. And the other thing I

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Speaker 2: thought about is again it almost it was almost Josh

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Speaker 2: McDaniels saying Max Crosby's getting great pressure and I don't

580
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Speaker 2: think Jordan Love can beat us. That's what it said

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Speaker 2: to me. You don't do it with Herbert Lawrence Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: You don't. But my takeaway was he was, Hey, if

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Speaker 2: we missed the field goal, Crosby's getting pressure. Jordan Love,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a lot of experience on the road,

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Speaker 2: late game, driving for a touchdown. I think I think

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Speaker 2: you make decisions in those situations a lot of times

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Speaker 2: based on who's the quarterback. And that's kind of what

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Speaker 2: it felt like to me. He's like, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love can beat me. Two picks, you know, two.

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Speaker 1: Picks, arguing with that because he had the results.

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Speaker 2: Yep. All right, Ty, good seeing you as always. I

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Speaker 2: want to give you a pump up again. Golong tv

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Speaker 2: dot com. His newsletter golong td dot com has the

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Speaker 2: podcast with Brett Farbus Weld as always, it's great, sen you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Colin. I always love chadding you bet

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