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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we embrace the NFL becoming

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Speaker 1: like the NBA. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio. The trade deadline has come and gone,

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Speaker 1: and there's no one I would rather have break it

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Speaker 1: all down for me. No one, Maybe like one or

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Speaker 1: two people. Mike Garafalo is very high on the list.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Sydney Sweeney. No, I mean, I don't think she

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Speaker 1: really has a hot take on the Jonathan Mingo trade, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what are the cowboys doing? That's that's what I'm into.

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Speaker 1: Maybe got a hot take. I don't know what gets

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Speaker 1: you going in the morning. Actually I do button up.

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Speaker 1: I you don't need to button up. And yes we're

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Everyone check out the show there if you want.

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Speaker 1: But for everyone else's it's mostly in the ears here

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Speaker 1: and they're just gonna hear the great voice. I woke

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Speaker 1: up early, you know, the daylight savings. Lots going on

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Speaker 1: in this kind. Maybe I slept a little less because

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Speaker 1: of that. Who knows. I don't know what it happened

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Speaker 1: in the day now and you know, we turned it

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Speaker 1: on and it's like six in the morning. There's Mike

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Speaker 1: Carafalo on my screen already on Good Morning Football, and

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Speaker 1: here you are eight hours later. You've done three shows

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Speaker 1: in between, You've got another more shows. I'm just making

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Speaker 1: up numbers in terms of the show. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: Don't you like that the NFL actually is worthy of

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Speaker 1: a trade deadline?

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Speaker 2: Specially sure it makes it makes it interesting, adds a

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Speaker 2: little wrinkle that we never had before, and it gives

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Speaker 2: us a reason to make calls and say hello to

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Speaker 2: some people during the season. And it's fun to get

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Speaker 2: a little rush when you get to break some news

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Speaker 2: on a day like this, or really, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: thing that's surprising is it starts earlier and earlier every

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Speaker 2: single year, and even now to the point where you

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Speaker 2: had eight deals today. I believe eight trades was the

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Speaker 2: number which matched last year, not as high as the

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Speaker 2: with a personnel guy the other day and I said, well,

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Speaker 2: number of reasons, analytics and all this stuff, and he said,

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Speaker 2: but the one thing that he really believes is there's

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Speaker 2: so many coaches out there coaching trees overlapping that a

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Speaker 2: lot of the terminology is the same these days, where

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Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, and so

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Speaker 2: now guys are able to come in and get acclimated

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Speaker 2: a little bit more quickly. But even to the point

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Speaker 2: of DeAndre Hopkins in his second game with the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: there were a couple of times where he went out

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Speaker 2: there and Mahomes is no, no, no, no, no, this He had

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Speaker 2: to flip to the other side of the formation as

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Speaker 2: they're lining up. There were two plays to the end

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Speaker 2: of regulation where he wanted to hit him, one.

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Speaker 2: The game didn't turn around, and then you saw Mahomes

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Speaker 1: Again, I get it.

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Speaker 2: And he looked for him coming off the line. He

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Speaker 2: but it just tells you it is still difficult in

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Speaker 1: Okay, team in a new play, maybe that helps explain

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Speaker 1: why teams were hesitant to do it in the past.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get through all the trades. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk Marshaun Lattimore going to the Commanders. That's fun. The

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Speaker 1: zid Area Smith trade finally happened. We'll talk some winners

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Speaker 1: preview the Thursday night game between the Bengals and the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: But since we're starting big picture, I think this is

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Speaker 1: interesting because, first of all, he moved the trade deadline back,

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Speaker 1: and when I joke about them becoming like the NBA,

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Speaker 1: it just was a weird place the NFL was in

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Speaker 1: looking at every way to try to improve your team.

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Speaker 1: And now we move the trade deadline back you mentioned

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Speaker 1: these prices, I've long since said. And John Schneider of

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Speaker 1: take the proverbial bird in the hand rather than the

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Speaker 1: give up a fifth round pick? Because fifth round picks

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Speaker 2: Away half of them, I mean, listen, sometimes practice squads

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Speaker 2: But the numbers really tell you the value of if

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I like the fact that general managers has general general

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Speaker 2: managers have become more aggressive. You've got the buyers in

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Speaker 2: the sellers. And if the Cleveland Browns had their way,

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Speaker 2: because they proposed this thing moving back a week, they

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Speaker 1: We would still let's get another week.

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Speaker 2: They're trying because their point was you'd moved it back

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Speaker 2: Now if you get a nineteen week schedule, moving back

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Speaker 2: another like, we're still not caught up, is what they're

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Speaker 1: We're only halfway through the season, some teams not even so.

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Speaker 2: Within the next queep back, you're gonna get more already

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Speaker 1: Yes, a couple things there. Number One, love doing this

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Speaker 1: mean the audio media. But no, you're you're great at it.

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Speaker 1: You're great at it. It's very natural. Number two, I

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Speaker 1: Percy Harvin returned that touchdown in the Super Bowl is

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Speaker 1: one of the all time super Bowl moments I've ever

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Speaker 2: A starfrad Yeah, what about when a Golden Tate pile

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Speaker 2: trash can Have you ever heard Mike Rob tell that story? Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's ever told it on air.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, let's hear that. No, you

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Speaker 2: have him tell the Percy Harvin story, and like Pete

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Speaker 2: Carroll coming to him, Mike, Mike Rob, I need you

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Speaker 1: I need to hear it. But I stand by my assessment.

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Speaker 1: The pop that was in the New York Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna improve our pass rush with a guy

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Speaker 2: You know why, It's because I'm the best at drafting.

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Speaker 2: Who am I? I'm every general manager that ever existed.

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Speaker 1: You like them this much.

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Speaker 1: with the biggest trade of the day, the one that

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Speaker 1: the Saints trade Marshan Lattimore, arguably the greatest cornerback to

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Speaker 1: this was actually a decent haul. I thought this made

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Speaker 1: for the Commanders, it's a move where you almost didn't

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Speaker 1: That's that's what we got on the Monday night show

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the next trade. This is

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Speaker 3: That makes one person.

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Speaker 1: let's talk Mike Williams to the Steelers fun trade on picked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, started with a breakfast sandwich and ended with well,

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Speaker 2: breakfast sandwiches?

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Speaker 2: Somebody delivered a breakfast sandwich to him, saying, we've got

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Speaker 2: So they did that, and then it ended with actually

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Speaker 2: saying that he's going to Pittsburgh where they have the

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Speaker 3: Listen, was he thinking, like Primani bro, that's what he's.

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Speaker 2: All the places I've lived, Philly, North Jersey, Jersey Shore.

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Speaker 1: I think about it a lot on Sunday mornings about

434
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Speaker 1: living in New York is the breakfast sand from odegas

435
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Speaker 1: or whatever. So I just had one the other day.

436
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Speaker 1: Was like, this is so good my mother.

437
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Speaker 2: My mother was visiting and she's she's I want to

438
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Speaker 2: get a bagel from Acme from the from the supermarket.

439
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: I go, you are six blocks away from like the

440
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 2: best begels in the Hudson up there is like the best.

441
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Speaker 2: Just go, I know, I'll go get You're not buying

442
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: a bagel from Acme with that available, Mike Williams.

443
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

444
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Speaker 2: And and the deal uh that we thought was gonna

445
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Speaker 2: get done immediately after the DeVante Adams deeal uh. Pittsburgh's

446
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 2: been looking for that big body, number one type guy.

447
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 2: I don't think he's still what he was earlier in

448
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,959
Speaker 2: his career, certainly getting healthier this year.

449
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Speaker 1: You got to give him the the ability to do.

450
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Speaker 2: That as well. And that's going to continue. It's going

451
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Speaker 2: to continue to be a process. But I think this

452
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: adds to them. Russ has been throwing the moon ball,

453
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 2: talking to the receivers there, saying it just gives us

454
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Speaker 2: a better shot, be because we're facing the ball, whereas

455
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 2: the cornerbacks got his back to us. It just makes

456
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 2: me so now you've got a guy that can go

457
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Speaker 2: up and get it and has got that big wingspan

458
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 2: and that big catch radius, as they'd like to say.

459
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Speaker 1: I like the fit here. I really do.

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Speaker 4: It's a huge reason why we talked about a lot

461
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Speaker 4: of these sort of like receiver thirsty teams that were

462
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Speaker 4: combing the market the way that they were. Someone who

463
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Speaker 4: draws attention away from other people and other facets, other

464
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Speaker 4: elements of the scheme and the game plan in order

465
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Speaker 4: to open those things up. And then once those things

466
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Speaker 4: start to draw attention, then you hit that guy on

467
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Speaker 4: a moonball. And I like the fit here. It was

468
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Speaker 4: really no secret, and Mike you did some great reporting

469
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Speaker 4: on this. You know there were Steelers were for quite

470
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Speaker 4: some time wanting to bring in a receiver, and I

471
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Speaker 4: think we're pretty thorough in the job they did and

472
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Speaker 4: kind of checking to see who was available.

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Speaker 1: I guess they didn't want Deontay Johnson back because he

474
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have cost even this much a fifth round pick,

475
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Speaker 1: But that says a lot I guess about that relationship.

476
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: I watched the Aaron Rodgers McAfee reaction to Mike Williams.

477
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: He was live on air when Mike Williams got traded,

478
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Speaker 1: and then they asked them about it, and Aaron Rodgers

479
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: politically hinted at what you just said, which is not

480
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Speaker 1: the same Mike Williams. Maybe that it's been tough coming

481
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Speaker 1: off the torn acl He never was like the fastest

482
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Speaker 1: of receivers in the first place, so it might take

483
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Speaker 1: sometimes till a year or two to get all that back.

484
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Speaker 1: But if there ever was going to be a spot

485
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Speaker 1: where he could make some impact, it would be with

486
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Speaker 1: the Steelers, who could use a big body receiver down

487
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Speaker 1: the field other than George Pickens and Russell Wilson's got

488
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: to throw that thing up there, so that should be

489
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: fun to watch. They also made another trade today, Mike.

490
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Speaker 1: They brought in Preston Smith. I was surprised by this one.

491
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Speaker 1: Why do you love it?

492
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Speaker 2: Because I go back to the when I covered the

493
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: Giants the early of course he days with the general manager.

494
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: They drafted Matthias Kiwanuka and Justin Tuckan back to back

495
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: years when they already had Ocumanyora and Michael Strahan and

496
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Speaker 2: his statement that we used over and over you can

497
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Speaker 2: never have enough pass rushers.

498
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the case right now.

499
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Speaker 2: And I go back to I compare this kind of

500
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Speaker 2: what we talk with the commanders with the rookie contract.

501
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: They've got Russell Wilson on the veteran minimum deal right now,

502
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: so they were able to take on the money that

503
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Speaker 2: Preston Smith is owed the rest of the season here

504
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: to get him in with TJ.

505
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Speaker 1: Watt.

506
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Speaker 2: With Alex high Smith, you don't play. You don't just

507
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: have two pass rushers. You can add a third and

508
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: you give you a flexibility. And Highsmith's been banged up

509
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Speaker 2: this year as well.

510
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Speaker 1: He might be a fourth. Nate Herberg is a really

511
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: but four is good. There you go, see, there's fours.

512
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Speaker 1: That's a good number.

513
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Speaker 4: I think he is the fourth, but also like Herbig,

514
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 4: they might be managing him a little bit. He's had

515
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 4: some issues with the hamstring, so they might be managing

516
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 4: him a little bit, especially if they think they're going

517
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Speaker 4: to really make a push. So having four guys, including

518
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Speaker 4: one who they think can come off the bench, this

519
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: might be a strategy move for them in terms of

520
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 4: not just bringing another guy for you know, in the rotation,

521
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Speaker 4: but also in case of soft tissue, injury management or

522
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Speaker 4: any number of things. Yeah, to preserve and it's almost

523
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Speaker 4: like spelling certain guys to maximize their reps once you

524
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Speaker 4: do get in those rush situations and potentially you know,

525
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: December and they hope the playoffs.

526
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Speaker 2: Well.

527
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Speaker 1: One of the things that drives me crazy about the

528
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: Steelers is they never let TJ. Watt off the field,

529
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Speaker 1: and if you watch those games, he's always gassed and

530
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: a little not at his best. Late in the fourth

531
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Speaker 1: quarter of the he makes these big plays, but a

532
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Speaker 1: lot of times like he needs a blow late in

533
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Speaker 1: the game. So I love it. It's like the Eagles

534
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: they have, you know, they always try to have four

535
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Speaker 1: pass rushers, get fourth bat four paster and it didn't

536
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Speaker 1: cost much. They was for a seventh round pick. The

537
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Packers defense has been a little weird this year. Most

538
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: of their pass rushers have less production than they have

539
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Speaker 1: had in the past. It's a different scheme. He probably

540
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: just wasn't a scheme fit. Let's talk about another former

541
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Speaker 1: Packers pass rusher. It's Zadarius Smith. He's been to a

542
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: few teams since and now he's going to another one,

543
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Speaker 1: going to the Lions. It ends up costing the Lions

544
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Speaker 1: a fifth and a sixth round pick, although they get

545
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Speaker 1: a seventh back, so it's really a fifth and a

546
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Speaker 1: you know, late day three pick swap. Not a lot

547
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Speaker 1: for Zadarius Smith. You pay him. I think they're paying

548
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Speaker 1: him what's left of his contract, which is quite half.

549
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Speaker 1: It's just this year, but you know he has a

550
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Speaker 1: big bas salary, but they kind of needed this mic.

551
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Speaker 2: I'd have to check on that. I remember the financials

552
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: on that one. That feels like it happened three days ago,

553
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Speaker 2: and it was earlier this morning.

554
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Speaker 1: So it's just well Florio did sort of a half

555
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: report on Sunday, so maybe that's why you're thinking it

556
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: feels like three days ago. I know, you don't maybe

557
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: pay attention to the other reporters. But he something where

558
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: he was like gonna happen. He said, it's like it's

559
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: expected probably or something.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which, yeah, this was It's like they and you

561
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: could see it's funny when you see that all on

562
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: the screen, you could see how it came together. It's like, well,

563
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Speaker 2: we're not just gonna do the fifth round?

564
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Speaker 1: Well what if we do that? Okay, but then we want.

565
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Speaker 2: This back because we don't want to lose it, and

566
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, all that just gets thrown up on

567
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Speaker 2: the screen there. It's like, that's how it finally came together.

568
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Speaker 2: So that's what the last couple of the last couple

569
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: of days were really all about, and finalizing this one.

570
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Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense once it became clear

571
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: a Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, like, those guys were untouchable.

572
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: They weren't going anywhere. They never were. Zadarius Smith then

573
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: became the best next possible option for the Lions, and

574
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: he fits so well in my mind, I don't even

575
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: want to say, like Aiden Hutchinson replace and nothing about that.

576
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: You lose Aiden Hudgeon. You just do the best you

577
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: can at this point.

578
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: But he can give you a little pass rush, he

579
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: can play I guess runn He's got a ton of experience.

580
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: They're trying to replace him in the aggregate, which again

581
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: still isn't replacing him. But you know when you saw

582
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell, like, you know, skipping in front of the

583
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 4: podium a little bit like doing a little like fun

584
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 4: happy dance. This was a while ago, and asked about

585
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 4: whether they're going to bring in a pass rusher.

586
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Speaker 3: I did think of you, Mike, because I was like,

587
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: how early.

588
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: It's maybe inside baseball question that you don't necessarily have

589
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: to answer, but how early in this process did this

590
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: become so obvious to you that this was going to

591
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: be not just happen, but be like the fit just

592
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: this tier of guys too, Because you know, you've got

593
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: like Mark Davis sending emails saying we're not trading Maxic.

594
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: You know, you have all of these things that are public,

595
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: but you know when a certain tier is unreachable and

596
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: then you're kind of targeting a cluster of players.

597
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: Let me which part that Zadaris was going to the

598
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: Lions or that those guys were untouchable both.

599
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: That he will not necessarily specifically, but that they were

600
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 4: getting someone that cluster of Yeah, you start the pieces together,

601
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: you really have to.

602
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: That's something that I've really learned over the last couple

603
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: of years is I used to wait for like people

604
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: to tell me and then you go, oh, wait, but

605
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: I heard this person say that, and I guess I

606
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: thought that there was still another step, or you start

607
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: to you got to make the leap. At some point

608
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: you start to hear these like non denial denials basically,

609
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: and you go, oh, this is happening. Okay, Like, you know,

610
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: who's really good at that? Ian rapport tremendous, unbelievable at

611
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: putting in the pieces together. But I'll be like, what

612
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: this person said that. He's like, yeah, that means it's

613
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: getting done. I'm like no, no, no, but still got no, no,

614
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: it's done. It's and then it winds up happening. You're like, whoa, Okay,

615
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: so you almost not that you're pushing it over the

616
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: line like it's already done. You have to hear what

617
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: people are saying and realize you have to have a

618
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: you know, personnel person to reporter translation book.

619
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to get too deep into it

620
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: or impune Ian's character, but is there a chance that

621
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: it's like Game recognizes Game. He can see the lies

622
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: and the obfuscations for what they are because he's good

623
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: at that, whereas you're like, you know, you're just a

624
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: better person. I don't expect the Lion quite as much.

625
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: Exactly right, That's exactly right. You know, I believe in people.

626
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: I think this is a great fit.

627
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: By the way, he's got the same pressure, so he's

628
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: not you know, he's not the same as he used

629
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: to be necessarily, but I think he's a really good

630
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: fit in this defensive scheme change. The scenery is always good,

631
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: you know, for a player who's bounced around a couple

632
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: of times.

633
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: He's got the same pressure rate as Khalil Mack right now.

634
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: And he hates the Packers more even more than Lions.

635
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: He really hates the weird ending. Yes, and he had

636
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: some revenge games already because he did join the Vikings

637
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: for a year before going to the Browns.

638
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, but back to answering your question, Jordan, this

639
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: when when I started to have conversations with people not

640
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: even involving or not even involved with the Lions or

641
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: Zadarius Smith, and I mentioned him, they go, oh, yeah, well,

642
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: the he's going to the lights right like, and so

643
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: everybody around it started to have these They they knew

644
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: it was going to happen. You never heard it necessarily

645
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: directly from the Lions or from Smith. Smith's camp and

646
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: you go enough people around it are saying that it's

647
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: getting done, so that must be getting and you go,

648
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: okay with the next couple of Yeah, it's gonna happen

649
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And it happened early this morning.

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Speaker 3: I would just love to do a whole show about

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Speaker 3: like what your life is like.

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Speaker 1: I know, this is why we have in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then we'll wrap up

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Speaker 1: all the trades and maybe throw out a few winners

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Speaker 1: and losers. Michael move on to his seventeenth show of

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Speaker 1: the day back in a second back on NFL Daily

658
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Speaker 1: when I was talking about watching you six in the

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Speaker 1: morning already on my television, Mike.

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Speaker 4: That's good context that he was on your television when

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Speaker 4: you watching him.

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Speaker 1: Yes this morning. See you missed the start of the show,

663
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Speaker 1: Jordan like joining in the conversation midway. We're ruining us now.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys were talking about this Jonathan Mingo trade.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that one of the first ones of the day

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Speaker 1: to happen And people were just saying that, why are

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys making a trade again? They actually gave up

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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick to get Jonathan Mingo and a

669
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Speaker 1: seventh weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very A lot of other teams thought it was

671
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Speaker 2: weird too. If it pans out, who cares, right, I see,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to sit here and bash a team

673
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Speaker 2: for making after we just said like teams should be

674
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Speaker 2: willing to kind of you know, so if you feel this.

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Speaker 1: Strong and in the fourth round pick is not a

676
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Speaker 1: crazy everyone's making this out to be like, oh, they

677
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Speaker 1: got robbed here. They gave up the same as you know,

678
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs gave up for DeAndre Hopkins, which is true

679
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Speaker 1: that it is a fair point that they maybe should

680
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Speaker 1: have said something less, but we're talking about the fourth fifth.

681
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Speaker 1: I think the problem is Mingo just has really poor

682
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Speaker 1: tape at the NFL level, And Jerry Jones even said publicly, well,

683
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Speaker 1: we loved him coming out of college. We love the tape.

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Speaker 1: And so that's I always hear that reasoning from NFL

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Speaker 1: teams of why you make a move, Well, we loved

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Speaker 1: his college tape, Well, how about the NFL tape? Isn't

687
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Speaker 1: that way a lot more like if he's coming out

688
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Speaker 1: in the draft now like he obviously is a very

689
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Speaker 1: different evaluation because he struggled to get open as a pro.

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Speaker 4: It is tough tape and large portions also though, like

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Speaker 4: it seems to me like all over the league, just

692
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Speaker 4: subtle shots being taken at the state of the Panthers

693
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Speaker 4: over the last couple of years, like from Sean Payton

694
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Speaker 4: not so subtle too. Okay, well we're gonna throw that out.

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Speaker 4: We're looking at college specifically. You actually hit it on

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Speaker 4: the head when with something you said earlier, Mike pan out.

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Speaker 4: So to me, what I think we first have to

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Speaker 4: define what does that mean if you're the Cowboys?

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Speaker 3: How does this pan out?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What makes it successful for me?

702
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Speaker 4: Because of Dak's situation, it's looking at potentially panning out

703
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Speaker 4: next year, getting him in your building ahead of time,

704
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Speaker 4: redeveloping him from the situation that he's previously in, re

705
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Speaker 4: calibrating some of the tools that they liked, apparently coming

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Speaker 4: out of.

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Speaker 1: College right too. By the way, I was kind.

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Speaker 4: Of sort of hitting the hitting the reset button. This

709
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: to me like screams not at all something for this year.

710
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Speaker 4: In the slightest it screams like, get Dak a second

711
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Speaker 4: weapon next year, because we don't know how long he's

712
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Speaker 4: going to be on the shelf with the hamstring pan out.

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Speaker 2: To me, I'd say pass fail if they sign him

714
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Speaker 2: to another contract. And that's part of it the financials here,

715
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Speaker 2: because you're getting him for two more years under contract, right,

716
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Speaker 2: So anybody who's comparing this now to let's say Deontay Johnson,

717
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: it's not a fair comparison because Johnson you're getting as

718
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Speaker 2: a rental and then you have to decide you may

719
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Speaker 2: have to pay him twenty million dollars a year as

720
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Speaker 2: a free agent at the end of the season. You

721
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Speaker 2: don't have to make that decision with Mingo, So that

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Speaker 2: fourth front pick, I would just This is the problem

723
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Speaker 2: with deadline day is I still haven't had a chance

724
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Speaker 2: to kind of reset and go over some of this stuff.

725
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Speaker 2: I want to find out how this conversation happened, Like

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Speaker 2: if that four was a five, they still have been

727
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Speaker 2: able to do this deal.

728
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Speaker 1: Could they have gotten for a fifth round pick?

729
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Speaker 2: You never really know you're playing poker, So I need

730
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Speaker 2: to know if the Panthers are telling them it's not

731
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Speaker 2: going to get it done, we already have a fifth

732
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Speaker 2: plus on the table or something like that, it's got

733
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Speaker 2: to be a four. And if that's the case, I'd

734
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Speaker 2: love to know who the five was, because I didn't

735
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Speaker 2: sense a lot of people that were like, oh, yeah,

736
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Speaker 2: we were in on him too, so they must have

737
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Speaker 2: been around a fifth.

738
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Speaker 1: I'm not getting a lot of that right now.

739
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: And if the Panthers played poker here and got more

740
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: than they should have gotten, good job, Dan Morgan.

741
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Speaker 4: Greg odds are that this is the move made in

742
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Speaker 4: advance so that Jerry Jones can point to it in

743
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Speaker 4: like deep summer next year when everyone's like losing their

744
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: minds over the fact that they haven't done anything to Okay,

745
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, we did this ahead.

746
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Speaker 3: Of the deadline that was for this year. What are

747
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: the odds man?

748
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when Trey Lance is throwing to Jonathan Mingo wide

749
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Speaker 1: Receiver two next year, it kind of reminds me of

750
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Speaker 1: that trade.

751
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Speaker 2: In fact that Dak Prescott is out for at least

752
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Speaker 2: four weeks and Trey Lance isn't starting.

753
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Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones hinted on that same radio show that

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Speaker 1: Trelians might be starting or Tralians might be involved. Who

755
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Speaker 1: knows if he's the one should be in No, like

756
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Speaker 1: it should be. I guess he's down. If it's not

757
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna go well, if Cooper Rush is a pretty good

758
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: backup that if he's that much worse than Cooper Rush, Like,

759
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Speaker 1: I get it, you have a whole group of people

760
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Speaker 1: to deal with. I would say success would be forget

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Speaker 1: another contract because he's only in the second year of

762
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Speaker 1: his rookie contract. If he's their third or even fourth

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Speaker 1: receiver in twenty and twenty six, Like, if he's still

764
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Speaker 1: there and he's a rotational player for him, then that's

765
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Speaker 1: a success. You're only giving up a fourth round pick.

766
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Speaker 1: If he's getting five hundred six hundred yards a year

767
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Speaker 1: or something like that, Like, that's a success. But you know,

768
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Speaker 1: considering what's happened in Carolina, that's not guaranteed. Yeah, we mentioned, Uh,

769
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Speaker 1: you just mentioned Dak Prescott. He's likely headed to injured

770
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Speaker 1: reserve according to Jerry Jones, So any hope that he

771
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Speaker 1: could be back in the next couple of weeks is

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Speaker 1: basically gone. We don't need to stick on that. We've

773
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Speaker 1: talked about Dak Prescott enough. Uh, that's pretty much it

774
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: for the trades that struck my fancy. We had a

775
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Speaker 1: Khalil Davis trade to San Francisco. There were a total

776
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Speaker 1: of eighteen trades throughout the trade deadline, period, and then

777
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Speaker 1: you mentioned eight today, but that pretty much wraps up.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen eighteen from the start of the regular season that

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Speaker 2: I believe that's what which I think the record was

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Speaker 2: twenty two from that mistaken Okay, so we're doing it.

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00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Short WESFL short of.

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Speaker 2: I think thirteen was the high watermark the last couple

783
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Speaker 2: of years for the last day, and our friends at

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Speaker 2: NFL Research gave it to us.

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Speaker 1: Do you helping us out because we had the Cam

786
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Speaker 1: Robinson trade, we had the Tredevious White trade. Actually, well

787
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Speaker 1: we will mention that quickly that the Ravens pick got

788
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Speaker 1: him up. Well, I look this up. Didn't have a

789
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Speaker 1: lot of playing time for the Rams and just hoping,

790
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, to have some depth there. The official number

791
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Speaker 1: from the Research Department most players traded since nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: five was night was in twenty twenty two, there was

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Speaker 1: twenty two teams to twenty two players. This is the

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Speaker 1: third most nineteen players, so pretty good twenty nineteen at

795
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Speaker 1: twenty one players. A couple of little other items before we

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Speaker 1: do a couple of winners and losers. Norv Turner is

797
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: joining the Raiders' staff, which is amazing. He's the senior advisor.

798
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: His son Scott Turner, who was in Carolina, is gonna

799
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator. Let's actually take a look too.

800
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube for the Jimmy Johnson quote

801
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: retweet of my tweet. If I have a chance to

802
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: self promote, I'm going to. I learned today that Jimmy

803
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Johnson follows me on Twitter and he quote retweeted me.

804
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Speaker 1: So that was really exciting. He says, Norv is one

805
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: of the best. We got Norv Turner Mike back in

806
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: an NFL building time out. Did you then retweet Jimmy

807
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: retweeting you. I did. Yeah, you gotta do that.

808
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: You gotta do that, like, hey, look this famous person

809
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: just retweeted me, Like people do that all the time

810
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: when Mahomes retweets him, which uh Patrick, Oh, I could.

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Speaker 1: Go one of these days, buddy, I couldn't go even further.

812
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: I was shocked by this. Never met Jimmy Johnson, No,

813
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, relationship there. He only followed twenty nine people

814
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Wow, you I'm one of them. Yep, I'm

815
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: one of them. Here are some others. Mario Christobal okay,

816
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: the head coach, yep, Dave wantstat all right, he's an

817
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: ex sensing a theme here, Tony Gonzalez. I'm not going

818
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: to read them all because I don't want to blow it.

819
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Audios Jason Taylor. I'm just saying that these are the

820
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: types of class of people I'm with you, like, give

821
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: me Chrissa Thompson, Okay, okay, Rob Wriggle, a lot of

822
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of co workers, Kurt Menafie, I'm trying to

823
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: figure out where you come in. Keep going, Stan Marino,

824
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: did he perhaps Michael Strahan for a coworker of No No,

825
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: Michael straighthand Troy Aikman, and then me and Peter King,

826
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: like the two titans of NFL reporting and analysis. Thank

827
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Speaker 1: you for you. Thank you, Jimmy Johnson. Good for you.

828
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Speaker 2: This is the opposite of the early days of Twitter

829
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: when Tay Diggs followed me and I was like, oh

830
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: my god, ty Diggs followed me and then looked up

831
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: and saw he was following one hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 1: That is the opposite of that, right, No Schrager, who

833
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: he who he works with?

834
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Speaker 2: That's interesting and you'd think like, oh, maybe it was

835
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: a slip of the thumb, but the fact that he

836
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: retweeted you acknowledged, like, I follow this dude and here's

837
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: some information that I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I love it he runs his account.

839
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Speaker 1: Yes, because of if you follow who like you know,

840
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of posts, and.

841
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Speaker 4: But this was worth it. This was his time to

842
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: weigh in and that's a.

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Speaker 1: Great I love it. I love this staff. By the way,

844
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Speaker 1: Marv Lewis is on this staff, Joe Philbin is on

845
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: this staff, Rob Ryan is on this staff. Tom uh

846
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm bringing them all together. If Tom Kaughlin, yeah, is

847
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: this fun North Turner under I don't know if he's underrated,

848
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: but he's just forgotten at this point from like New fans,

849
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: but a hell of an offensive coordinator deep into his career.

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00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: I've had great conversations with him. He's been around when

851
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: Scott's been coaching games and I've had a chance to

852
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: talk to him, and I'm like, this guy's just a

853
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: great offensive mine. I wrote a story for the Super

854
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: Bowl Game program last year. I'm already forgetting what the

855
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: topic was, but I talked to Norv about it. I

856
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: think it was the style of quarterbacks in that have

857
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: that have won Super Bowls, and I talked to him

858
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: about about Troy It was just amazing just to have

859
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: that conversation with him and just thinking to myself, like,

860
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: this guy's got good football left. I felt that way

861
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: about Kevin Gilbride when he retired. I'm like, this guys

862
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: still could be a good UH coach.

863
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: But I guess who knows? He might be running the

864
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Speaker 1: Raiders next year with head coach Scott Turner. Like crazier

865
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: things have happened with that organization.

866
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: You think that's where uh A new minority owner Tom

867
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: Brady wants to go.

868
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, well, that's a that's a

869
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: fair point. Uh. Finally, the Colts, reportedly, according to Stephen

870
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Holder of ESPN, turned down teams calling about Anthony Richardson,

871
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: saying he's totally off the table. Weren't listening. I thought

872
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: the offers were that great right now, but it makes

873
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: sense it would it would be weird.

874
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: I I don't even know that they were. It got

875
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: to the point of offers. But the Colts are trying

876
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: to not trying to. They're they're making it clear that

877
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: they still believe in Anthony richards Although didn't I may

878
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: have seen this and I may have misread this. Did

879
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: Shane Stikeen say that Joe Flecko was still the for

880
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. He did again, Yes, but

881
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: I don't for the rest of the season.

882
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Again. Yes, how many points are

883
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: they score on up? I don't believe him because if

884
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: they keep scoring three points then he won't be but

885
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: he's zero. It's hard to say, Well, it's week to week.

886
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: I get it. That's an unstable public way to approach things.

887
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are two benefits of this, you know, being

888
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: out there of first of all teams, certainly if someone

889
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: is benched effectively or needs more development time whatever, Yeah,

890
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: you got to call the team like of course you.

891
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: Have to at least check, like, hey, what's up with

892
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: this guy? Kind of a thing.

893
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: I mean, there's some there's crazier calls than this that

894
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: are happening around the league for star players, for quarterbacks

895
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: at any given point.

896
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: Right, but also it's right.

897
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Like joining forces with Tom Brady when you're Sean Payton

898
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: and coaching the Saints, joining forces with Tom Brady who

899
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: was still an active player with the Dolphins. That kind

900
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: of crazy, Like yes, like nothing, they'll be crazier than that,

901
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: and that actually happened.

902
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Sarah like best sandwiches in Pittsburgh.

903
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: Kind of crazy, right, But I think that that this

904
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 4: all also is a really good thing for the Colts

905
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: to have out there as well, because it does show,

906
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: like to your point, Mike, it does show that this

907
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: is we're definitively no, like we're not moving him, kind

908
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: of similar to Bryce Young too. You heard that there

909
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: was some interest in him as well, and certainly people

910
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: are going to call to see if you know, first

911
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: round guys, top five picks are available, and of course

912
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 4: you're going to do that, and if they're if something pops,

913
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: then it pops. But in this case, super unlikely, and

914
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: it's good for the Colts to have it out there,

915
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: being like, no, this is our guy going forward. We

916
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: invested in him, and it's it's very good for everyone

917
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: to have that out.

918
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm as I'm looking at this, pretend you're a GM

919
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: Jordan Gret Like, Hey, Mike, they've interviewed women in recent years.

920
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: You could too. We're getting there. I don't have to

921
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: take it personally, Mike. It is a fact, just that

922
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: it could never happened. You know, It's fine. Why don't

923
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: you be a trailblazer? Huh?

924
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: The hell was I asking you, Oh, what pretend you're

925
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: making it offer for Anthony Richards What is it pretend

926
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: you're making it off for trying to get Anthony Richardson

927
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: away from the call?

928
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Why? What is it like?

929
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: What's what in your mind trying to make a fair

930
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: offer to me? Chris Ballard, Anthony Richards only draft Capital.

931
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm also trying to think what team like there's only

932
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: a few teams that this could But to be clear,

933
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe the New York Giants. If

934
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: I'm in the New York Giants. Yeah, yeah, I would

935
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: give you a second round pick. That done.

936
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'd give you a give you a second

937
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: round pick that could turn into don't.

938
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: Give them more.

939
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: He just said, we're prepared to offer you all the

940
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: free coffee.

941
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I think he could. I in the past,

942
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: guys who haven't worked out in the first spot getting second.

943
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen got a second round pick. I believe a

944
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: hell it was a swap?

945
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 3: Was it?

946
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: It was like a late second But there's been there's

947
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: been some guys who have not worked out that's still

948
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: get you know, a good.

949
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: Trade challenge on that, and I think it was a swap.

950
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: I think it was like sliding down in the second

951
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: round if I'm not mistaken.

952
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: But I also want to just make it clear I

953
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: still believe in Anthony Richardson. I just think the fuel

954
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 4: development time, which they knew going into it and should

955
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: have managed things different.

956
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I think Melissa Stark kind of

957
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: report about this during the game about how he's you know,

958
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: he's been, he was there, he's cheer and he was

959
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: locked in and all this stuff, and that's great. Better

960
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: not just be for show, because that's what he's got

961
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: to do. He's got to be involved. He's got to

962
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: be locked in, he's got to be taking mental notes.

963
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: He's got to be watching everything that Joe Flacco does,

964
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: even if they're scoring zero points, just his process and

965
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: how he goes about things. I was stalling long enough

966
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: for Greag to get his answer.

967
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: We got it now. Yeah, not only was it not

968
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: a pick shop, they gave up more than a second

969
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: round pick. They gave up a second and a fifth.

970
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: It was the sixty second overall selection. No, the hell

971
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: with that? Give me the full No, that's a pen

972
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: that's it.

973
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: No, I see, now you're gonna have it was definitely

974
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: a slide down.

975
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: It was curious and that GM is still Chris Greer,

976
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: still running the team, Chris gears so he survived that

977
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: trade all right, quickly some winners. He's moving on. Before

978
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: we have any winners and losers here, before we get going,

979
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna of just just rapid fire. You can throw

980
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: out anyone for first, the Chiefs in.

981
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: The hop Come on, we watched the game, right, come on,

982
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: that's great.

983
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Let's throw up the DeAndre Hopkins tweet that he sent

984
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: out on Tuesday.

985
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: I hold it your hard strings there he sent.

986
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Out the Randy Moss Tom Brady hugging each other. Oh,

987
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: I love that. Now, Randy Moss was an off season trade,

988
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: but it was for a fifth round pick, so some

989
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: similarities there. Let's go now.

990
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: Greg might need a minute, so I guess I will

991
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 4: carry the ship.

992
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't need a minute. Any anyone stand out to

993
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: you as a winner? Yeah?

994
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: I was going to pick the Chiefs as well as

995
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: a winner. I also, you know, I like you know

996
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: what the Cardinals did just it wasn't a huge move,

997
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: but getting Baron Browning and just seeing if he's a fit.

998
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: Guys from that coaching tree have often connected with, you know,

999
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: kind of spare outside linebackers. This is sort of a

1000
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: Fangio thing. Get your extra outside linebacker and turn them

1001
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: into a situational rusher, an efficient rusher. You can tell

1002
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 4: that that's sort of the pattern that that Jonathan Gannon's trying.

1003
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: To follow here. So I liked it. I thought it

1004
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: was kind of subtle, but I like that move.

1005
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: The question is who won the trade? There any anyone?

1006
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: While I was completely wrong? Yeah, you're right, they got there.

1007
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean we've kind of moved on established that. No,

1008
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: not that we've moved on more that you don't remember

1009
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: draft picks either.

1010
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything involving the draft. I apparently I

1011
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: just hold it for a little bit and then I

1012
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: move on healthy.

1013
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: Actually it's really healthy to.

1014
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: You Dadarius Smith, or he would I'll throw out a win.

1015
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: He's just a personal one.

1016
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1017
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: To go from the Browns to the Lions, the most

1018
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: exciting team in the NFL, maybe going.

1019
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: You know, the Steelers are interesting to me. There were

1020
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: two moves that really makes a lot of sense for them.

1021
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: At what point do we go from Well, here's Mike

1022
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: tom and extending his streak of winning seasons or non

1023
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: losing seasons to seam to contender.

1024
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: Trying to win.

1025
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: Mike, it's a great point because it's like he's going

1026
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: from they're going from stable to pushing, right, Yeah, that's

1027
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: what these moves say to me. No, it's not like

1028
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: you got you know the receiver who still is you know,

1029
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: looks like the former version of himself, and maybe he

1030
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 4: could get some of that back and that'd be great

1031
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: for him because it seems like he kind of went

1032
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: through a lot up in New York recently on a

1033
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: personal level with teammates and then also bringing in that

1034
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: rotational rusher. This is a team that's like actually thinks

1035
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: that it can push harder than even or median or

1036
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 4: just that you know, not losing record like they actually

1037
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: seem like they're they're pushing here, which I think is

1038
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: a vibe.

1039
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, when is Mike

1040
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: Tom I'm going to start taking some heat for not

1041
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: winning any playoff games, So I can tell you locally,

1042
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: they're they're a little sick of as much like there

1043
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: is a group a group of the fan base it's

1044
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: like we're sick of being the nine and eight team.

1045
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: So it's good they're trying to, yeah, be better.

1046
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: I made the point on Good Morning Football this morning

1047
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: that I think they're dangerous because their coaching staff is

1048
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: so good right now and what they've been able to do,

1049
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: like it's it's one thing for Mike tom and to

1050
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: go into the room and make the gutsy call and no,

1051
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: he's on an island and say we're starting Russell Wilson.

1052
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: I don't care anybody in this room agrees with me

1053
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: or not. And then it's another thing for that coaching

1054
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: staff to then say, all right, he's the boss. We

1055
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: got to do it, and then come up with the

1056
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: best possible game plans to get this guy moving in

1057
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: the right direction and limiting his mistakes, which is a

1058
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: big part of what they've been doing, and not letting

1059
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: him start to try to do too much. And Danny

1060
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: Smith and Terrell Austin, who I'm old enough to remember

1061
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: Terrell Austin being a hot head coaching candidate. Maybe it's

1062
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: time to start mentioning that again. I just feel like

1063
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: from a coaching staff perspective, the question was who is

1064
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: the biggest threat to the Chiefs, And I'm thinking on

1065
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: any given day team that coaching staff can get that

1066
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: team ready to play against anybody the way that they've

1067
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: been coaching.

1068
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh I like that take, and I like I think

1069
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: the Commander is as an organization our winners because an

1070
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: even from an ownership level, they made them trade the

1071
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: picks a year ago. They had a vision of getting

1072
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: the right guy in the building. They get Scott Peters

1073
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: into the building. Now they have a surplus of picks

1074
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: and rookies. They feel like, hey, this is actually a

1075
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: time to move, and they make a move that's a

1076
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: long term plan already turning into a shorter term plan.

1077
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: And they acted and they got a good play. We're winners.

1078
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: We got Mike Garafolo in the studio, we got a

1079
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: lot of trades. I'm gonna go just a few losers.

1080
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: Ravens defense didn't add anyone. I was kind of hoping

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00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: they would add someone in the secondary. Chargers didn't add anyone.

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00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they know what I didn't do

1083
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: it for the Ravens. Oh my bad.

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00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: You meant pass rush though, I think, right, yeah, you

1085
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: wanted to rush.

1086
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I met more of an impact player. But that's fair.

1087
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: That was that wasn't nice to me, as he's o Jelari.

1088
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: He's still with the Giants. He could have been like

1089
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, going to like a great team.

1090
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's upset about that though. Okay,

1091
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: because Dexter Lawrence is tearing it up. You've got Cavon

1092
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: Thibodeau coming back, you got Brian Burns coming back. He

1093
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: could then not receive as much attention pad the stats

1094
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: get into the offseason.

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00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be sitting here in March. Maybe

1096
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting here, Maybe I'll be home.

1097
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, haven't decided where I'm gonna do free

1098
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: agency from, but maybe we'll be sitting somewhere and saying

1099
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: that as he's o jaalari is this year is like whoa.

1100
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: That guy got that kind of money.

1101
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: I think it could be big money for Azizo Julari,

1102
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: and I think staying with the Giants could actually help him.

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00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: Great point. That is why you are the insider getting

1104
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Mike Garafalo out of here. Appreciate you, Jordan. You will

1105
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: be back with me after the break and we're going

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00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: to talk about a great TNF game. Ravens and Bankers

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00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: back on NFL Daily with my friend Jordan Rodrigue of

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00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: the Athletic It is time for our TNF preview, presented

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00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: by Prime Video. A TNF game. It's been on my

1110
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: radar since the very beginning of the season. Now, that's

1111
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: partly because I wanted to make sure I got the

1112
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: best booking possible for the TNF recap, and I did.

1113
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: I locked down Nick Westling early, but also just because

1114
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: these two teams only play awesome games. They already played

1115
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: one awesome game this season. Jordan, And Yeah, the Bengals

1116
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: record isn't as good as you would expect at this

1117
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: point of the season. Frankly, neither's the Ravens for how

1118
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: good a team they are. That actually makes the game

1119
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: bigger for the Cincinnati Bengals. They kind of need this

1120
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: one in Baltimore.

1121
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: The stakes are so high for a Cincinnati Bengals team

1122
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: trying to, like once and for all this season, right

1123
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: the ship and really start to put things together, and

1124
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: also for a Ravens team trying to just dominate people

1125
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: to establish that we know how to win in November

1126
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 4: and keep rolling that wagon all the way into the postseason.

1127
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 4: There's maybe some very sneaky MVP dialogue. Yeah, we're on

1128
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 4: the line as well. I am so heck and fired

1129
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: up for this game.

1130
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Greg, Oh my god, I am too. Al Kirk, I

1131
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: better not even ring it now, come on like a

1132
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: minute of apathy or complaining no matter how long this

1133
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: game is going. But these two guys deliver. Look last time, Yeah,

1134
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: forty one to thirty eight. Back in Week six, Burrow

1135
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: had five touchdowns in that game, almost four hundred yards.

1136
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Lamar had four touchdowns through the air in that game,

1137
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: three hundre forty eight yards. And it's funny because I

1138
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: see the Ravens as they're obviously a super Bowl contender.

1139
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's still the super Bowl favorite in the AFC,

1140
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: even if they don't have home field. And yet if

1141
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: they lost this game, which would be totally understandable a

1142
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: division rival you split games, they'd be at six and four.

1143
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: Who knows what's gonna happen with this Steelers team and

1144
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: they're kind of in the miras. So where do you

1145
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: want to start? Just offensive defensive matchups because Lamar versus

1146
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: this Bengals defense on paper is probably the biggest mismatch

1147
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: of the game. Do you disagree? Yeah?

1148
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I trust Lamar Jackson and this Ravens offense

1149
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: far more than I trust what's been a really wobbly

1150
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 4: good decent to good against bad teams. Bengals defense too,

1151
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: sometimes looks like they're putting things together, also kind of

1152
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: seeming like they're aging out a little bit too quickly. Yeah,

1153
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: this is going to be super interesting because right now

1154
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson's at a sixty eight point two completion percent

1155
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: and she's playing lights out and including some extremely tough

1156
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: thrown stars of structure. But it's all clicking between himself

1157
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 4: and Todd Mounkin, the offensive coordinator, and his receivers, and

1158
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 4: in that scheme, it's everyone's like eating and everyone's benefiting.

1159
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry obviously just dominating people already over at one

1160
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: thousand yards this season. Everything is starting to feel like

1161
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 4: it clicks together against a Bengals defense that just we

1162
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: just don't know who they are week over week, and

1163
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 4: the scheme itself and Lamar's ability and the receivers and

1164
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: Dereck Henry widening things out, making people play differently. Lamar

1165
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: Jackson has targeted a wide open receiver on thirty two

1166
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: point eight percent of his pass attempts the season, second

1167
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: highest in the NFL.

1168
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: That's gonna be tough.

1169
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Who's higher. I'm shocked is Jared goff to be? Yeah,

1170
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: it's this is a total guests, I'm just thinking of

1171
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: what offense could be run better. It's no slight obviously

1172
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: to goffer Lamar, and I think it really hit home

1173
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: last week Vance Joseph admitted he said it out loud.

1174
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: We we wanted to force them to pass because you're

1175
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: just picking your poison. And so it's why this Derrick

1176
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: Henry Lamar combination is so mutually beneficial that it's wonderful

1177
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: that a team would actually have to feel like they

1178
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: have to sell out to stop the run, which I

1179
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: get it, but also that's that's not a great idea.

1180
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: That's pretty much what we saw actually in the in

1181
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: the first matchup. I went back and checked some of

1182
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: my notes for that that game too, and the Bengals

1183
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: did blitz a lot, which I was surprised, and they

1184
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: did get a lot of pressure on Lamar. Jackson tried

1185
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: to get the ball out of his hand, and that's

1186
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: just that's just not working. There's no perfect way to

1187
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: attack Lamar right now or this team, because he's better

1188
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: against zone than he used to be. You saw that

1189
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: a week ago against against Denver. He just the game

1190
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: has slowed down for him. He's like he's like in

1191
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: the matrix right now, like everything is just in absolute

1192
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: slow motion. But I'm the other way. I actually, as

1193
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: crazy as it is, as bad as the Bengals are

1194
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: defending the run, if you were trying to make a choice,

1195
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather die slowly against the Ravens and just see

1196
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: if we can bow up and maybe just get them

1197
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: into some third down situations, because county on Lamar to

1198
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: not beat you through the air is dumb. Here's a

1199
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Speaker 1: stat and then I'll hand it off to you. This

1200
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: is a lot on Lamar, but FTN where Aaron Shatz works, Yeah,

1201
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: where there's dvoaight. They also have you know, defensive yards

1202
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: above you know average, you know, adjusted for the defenses

1203
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: they've played. Lamar is at one and fourteen yards for

1204
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: the season above average. The next closest quarterback is actually

1205
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels at six seventy six. The gap between Lamar

1206
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: number one and Jayden Daniels number two is the same

1207
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: as the gap between Jayde and Daniels number two and

1208
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: the sixteenth best quarterback in the league. So that like

1209
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: and that's not even counting his running ability. So that's

1210
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: just how good this offense is. Right now, they're the

1211
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: eighth best offense through nine weeks in all the years

1212
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: that they've measured it over at FTN two. So it's like,

1213
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd rather die slowly.

1214
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: Personally you mentioned, I mean, yeah, yeah, in.

1215
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: Life, in life quickly, but on the football field slowly, well.

1216
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: Hopefully quickly, but over a long period of time. You know,

1217
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: be on the planet for a long time. Greg, Please

1218
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: don't put that on the universe.

1219
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1220
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: So, but I think, yes, you want to try to

1221
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 4: make them at least see what happens if you try

1222
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: to make them run, because like I said before, it's

1223
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: just clicking for this passing attack in ways that even

1224
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 4: struggled a little bit prior to the start of the season.

1225
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: And that's only going to get more cohesive. They're only

1226
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: going to get more reps and better reps for each other.

1227
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: But and where I think you might have a little

1228
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 4: bit of an argument to a case to make for

1229
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: the Bengals defense, there is even though they've been really

1230
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 4: erratic and just they're number twenty five in DVOA for

1231
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: a reason, right, But they're not missing a ton of

1232
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: tackles on the first and second level. Now, if that

1233
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 4: is Derrick Henry enters the picture like you know the

1234
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: you know, like you know that you know that meme

1235
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 4: of like big bird kicking down the door, Like if

1236
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry enters your life in such fashion, I don't

1237
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: know if you're not missing tackles in that way, particularly

1238
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 4: when we see some of the stuff they did at

1239
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 4: the beginning of the year with Lamar running the ball

1240
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: as well and that misdirection. So it's just so hard

1241
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: to stop this team and to pick which one is

1242
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 4: going to hurt the least.

1243
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Right, because I remember in that first game, I actually

1244
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: thought they had some of the run pass option plays

1245
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: defended pretty well and they would still get six yards.

1246
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's like still staying ahead of the down, Right.

1247
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: There were sometimes where I thought Lamar Jackson made the

1248
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: wrong read. That that was one of the games where

1249
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: it really clicked, like how they've caught the cheek os

1250
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: where he actually made the wrong read. He should have

1251
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: kept the ball or he should have handed it off,

1252
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and it is still getting five yards even if everyone's

1253
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: in good position. If you want to blitz them like

1254
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: they did the first time around, and I doubt they'll

1255
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: run the same game plan because that's not what Lou

1256
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: and Rumo is going to do. Like Justice Hill is

1257
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: a very valuable player in this offense. They killed the

1258
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: Broncos on a couple times that they sent pressure here

1259
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: and then they let him out of the back field

1260
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: as a little just outlet for Lamar Jackson. There's just

1261
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that they're going to beat you.

1262
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: The pass rush is a big concern for the Bengals.

1263
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: It's really Trey Hendrickson and not much else, and the

1264
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Ravens have been surprisingly good as a pass protection unit

1265
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: all season. Ronnie Stanley having a nice season. On the

1266
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: flip side, Are you a little worried and we don't

1267
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: know if Orlando Brown is available for this game, that

1268
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: Cody Ford and a Marius Mims could be the starting

1269
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: tackles for Joe Burrow in this game.

1270
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that you could see that they

1271
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: were a little worried about some of the ways that

1272
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 4: their pass protection was starting to break down a little

1273
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 4: bit because they were trying to play in heavier personnel

1274
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 4: over the last couple of weeks. They were trying to

1275
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 4: do different things that you don't always see from a

1276
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor offense to get just a little bit more

1277
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 4: help in different ways, not only get more eligibles on

1278
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 4: the field for Joe Burrow, but also chipping when you

1279
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 4: need to and just you know, getting But they're gonna

1280
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: have an issue with that because Eric all the tight

1281
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 4: end that they really really liked torn acl he was

1282
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: Paul at the Athletic was writing about how he was

1283
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why they could feel more comfortable

1284
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: just adding extra protection and extra things. You know, he's

1285
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: gonna Joe Burrow is playing at an otherworldly, unreal level.

1286
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: Greg.

1287
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: It kind of feels like he forced himself to go

1288
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: to that place a little bit, right, Well.

1289
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe a dark place, but it's a place

1290
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: that has led to a lot of production. Let's actually

1291
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: listen to Joe Burrow talking about Yeah, he just isn't

1292
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: necessarily happy even after a five touchdown performance.

1293
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just how the season has gone, knowing

1294
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: knowing what's ahead of us, knowing what we're gonna have

1295
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 5: to do to get back into this. You know, one

1296
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 5: win isn't gonna make or break our season. So you know,

1297
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to strive for perfection every every day and

1298
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: every game. So until that happens, what was there to.

1299
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: Be happy about. Hey, look, he just wasn't happy. I

1300
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: love that They asked him about that on Wednesday and

1301
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I guess I should I should work.

1302
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: On that out pleasen't remember it.

1303
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I didn't know that I was making

1304
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: a face like that. I guess I should worry about

1305
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: my body language a little more. But they also asked

1306
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: him about the Khalil Herbert trade, which let's talk about

1307
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: quickly here, and they just said, I'm glad we went

1308
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: out and tried to get better. This very stone face

1309
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: is like, we need to get better. I wasn't expecting

1310
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals to make a lot of moves at the

1311
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: trade deadline, though I did like that they tried to

1312
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: improve their backfield because Zach Moss is expected to miss

1313
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. So that's a lot to

1314
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: ask of Chase Brown to be their only, you know,

1315
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: running back there and Kleio Herbert can give them a

1316
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a hammer. They're going to need to

1317
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball. If T Higgins is

1318
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: not available for this game, I have a feeling he is.

1319
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know anything. But in a

1320
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: scenario where they were maybe trying to push him to

1321
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: play last week or not, and you got two games

1322
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: in five days, this is the game that you save

1323
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: T Higgins for because you mentioned it now, Eric All

1324
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: leaving extra guys in protection for protection. Suddenly that receiver

1325
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: group it's a big fallof Mike Gasicki has more yards

1326
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: this season and it's actually played great than T Higgins,

1327
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: which is crazy.

1328
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, to your.

1329
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 4: Point, yes, on T Higgins, if he's going to be

1330
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 4: ready to go, like this has got to be the

1331
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 4: game to be ready to go. Joe Burrow wanted to

1332
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: circle back on that. Yeah, because a couple of weeks ago,

1333
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 4: I was joking around saying like, oh man, you know

1334
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 4: he's in a really dark place because he was quiet.

1335
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: He's totally like in this silent rage and his press

1336
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 4: conference like he was he was very quiet and like

1337
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: low tone, and you could tell he was just internally seething.

1338
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: And I saw that and I was like, he's gonna

1339
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 4: snap one of these days. He's gonna snap. And then

1340
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: like the serial killer ViBe's gonna just come out of him.

1341
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 3: And it did.

1342
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 4: And you watch that game and you watch how he

1343
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: was on the sideline and how he was talking around

1344
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 4: like Jermaine Burton at a certain point, who was a

1345
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: scratch because he missed practice on Saturday. So back to

1346
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 4: the point of the pass catchers, like you're seeing him

1347
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 4: try to work with other guys, get other guys open.

1348
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: You know, obviously Jamar is gonna be who Jamar is.

1349
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: But Mikeasicki has stepped up in certain ways, particularly when

1350
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 4: the Bengals are attacking the seam, and I think that

1351
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 4: actually could quietly be a big difference in this game

1352
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 4: because we know that attention is going to go towards

1353
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 4: the you know, the big name receiver slash receivers if

1354
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: t Higgins can play. But Mike Kasicki, you know, with

1355
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: the hundred yards game last week, I think we'll see

1356
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 4: more of him because the Ravens passing defense, which has

1357
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: let them down a lot.

1358
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: And yes they traded for Trey White.

1359
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 4: I don't expect him to be a huge part of

1360
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: that secondary right away, if you know, if even for

1361
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 4: the long term, just coming off the Achilles, but good

1362
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: depth just in case. But the Ravens have allowed those

1363
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: second most yards per attempt and the second most EPAM

1364
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: passes in the seams this season, and it's it's interesting

1365
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 4: because Joe Burrow targets those seaman those seam routes at

1366
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 4: the third highest rate in the NFL. So I do

1367
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: think this could quietly be Joe Burrow, Oh, Mike Gasicki

1368
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: continuation of what they did last week.

1369
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: Kasiki keeps making incredibly athletic, improbable catches.

1370
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Speaker 3: Just like he did at Penn State.

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01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, just like he did for that one season

1372
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: in Miami where he was just next level and he

1373
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: got paid for it. And I'm happy that he did,

1374
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: and I'm happy that he ended up in a place

1375
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati because we just would have never known that

1376
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: Mike Kasiki still had this in him. And I think

1377
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is just feeling First of all, he's moving

1378
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, he just creates space and time on

1379
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the field in a way that reminds me a lot

1380
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: of Mahomes, but he does it in his own way

1381
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: where he creates open receivers by the way that he

1382
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: moves in the pocket. I think he's just so frustrated

1383
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: that this is the season that I actually am healthy

1384
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: and everything should be happening for us, Like I've been

1385
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: waiting for a season like this, and it's not really happening.

1386
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: And it's not because of him, although they have had

1387
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: the ball late a handful of times on off and

1388
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: actually haven't gotten the ball done. That's why I was

1389
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: annoyed when Bengals fans were like, hey, were these amount

1390
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: of plays away from him being the favorite for MVP.

1391
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: I was like, they've had chances on offense to win

1392
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: at the end of these games. Unfortunately, their defense is

1393
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: bad enough that that's maybe making Burrow frustrated. And then

1394
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: T Higgins isn't healthy. And you even look at the

1395
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: box score and the game the first time they played

1396
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: the Ravens, it's really all Jamar and T Higgins, And

1397
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: you really noticed the last couple of weeks defenses took

1398
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: away the deep ball from Jamar Chase and they were

1399
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: still able to be really productive, but it wasn't the same.

1400
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: They're just not the same unless you have both of them.

1401
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: Because this is a star driven team. I don't think

1402
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: it's a scheme driven team.

1403
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 4: And I would agree with that. That's a really good point. Actually,

1404
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 4: I would definitely actually, yeah, well not actually, I mean

1405
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: I want to cut.

1406
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: The damn a. Shek likes to point out everyone check

1407
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: out his new show, by the way, The Shech Show.

1408
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: I just followed him on Instagram.

1409
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: He's the best, and I just did the Schech Show

1410
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: this week and he's great. He always pointed out like

1411
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: when someone says, actually, that's a reg flag because they

1412
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know. No, I was thinking in this case that

1413
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: you don't normally think I make a good point, but

1414
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: actually this time I did.

1415
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 4: Well not to go sideways. Actually, but you continually continually

1416
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: make good points. That just stopped me in my tracks

1417
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 4: for a second, because I'm like, if I'm going to

1418
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 4: sum up why this Bengals offense has just not I

1419
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 4: mean without the guys that they have on the field,

1420
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 4: you just don't and without Burrow, you just don't get it.

1421
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: You don't see it, certainly not from from the head coach.

1422
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: And so that's where I pause for a minute, because

1423
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's a really good way of

1424
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: phrasing that without their bona fide dudes on the field,

1425
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 4: including Joe Burrow, lifting it seems like trying to lift

1426
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: this defense, you know, out of its inconsistency.

1427
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: You just don't have that.

1428
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: Faith and he could do it that he cooked the

1429
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: Ravens last time. But he did have one interception in

1430
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: that game, and that was it wasn't totally the difference

1431
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: because there's a possession in overtime. I mean, Lamar fumbled ball.

1432
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: He actually reminded me a little bit at Joe Burrow.

1433
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: He was very upset after that game, even though they won. Yes,

1434
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: but it could be one of those games where just

1435
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: one pick either way. And I can't quite believe that

1436
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense is this bad. I keep expecting it

1437
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: to start getting better because that's been the history. But

1438
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: it is a different coaching staff. You know, Marcus Williams

1439
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: comes back into the lineup last week at safety. But

1440
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: right now they are fourteenth overall on defense, twenty third

1441
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: against the pass. They're a good run stopping team. The

1442
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: Bengals are not a team that will like bang their

1443
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: head against the wall if it's not working. They're just

1444
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: gonna throw the ball like crazy, and they're gonna pick

1445
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: on Brandon Stevens. Probably back there are Darius Washington. There's

1446
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of spots there. And their pass rush hasn't

1447
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: been good enough, so I actually think he should be fine.

1448
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: Cody Ford, n Maarrius Mims should probably be fine against

1449
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens and their pass rush, should.

1450
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: We Yeah, you heard them looking around trying to maybe

1451
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: potentially test the trade deadline in that but just you know,

1452
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 4: they just they're struggling in that fase. And I think

1453
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 4: either or in this game, greg as we get ready

1454
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 4: to make.

1455
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: Our picks, like I either.

1456
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 4: Scoring on both sides right, because I could totally see

1457
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 4: that super high score because everyone just throws it, right.

1458
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you're going to try to, like you said,

1459
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: die slowly potentially if you're if you're low. But I

1460
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 4: think ultimately everyone's just throwing the hell out of the

1461
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 4: ball and we could get a high scoring game or

1462
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: it could be totally the opposite. We're both defensive coordinators

1463
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 4: with some of the film familiarity. Throw this is like

1464
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 4: their kitchen sink game plan, you know, like Jonathan Gannon

1465
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 4: for example, every once in a while he has this

1466
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 4: kitchen sink game plan where he just throws all this

1467
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 4: weird stuff at you and it's not something that you're

1468
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 4: like that you're used to whatever, because this is.

1469
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: You know, AFC North this is this is going to

1470
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 3: be a weird one.

1471
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: I could see that, but I feel like these defenses

1472
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: can't handle the kitchen sink game right now. They've they've

1473
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: tried it. They there's there's just not a lot of cohesion.

1474
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm at the point in the year where I'm just

1475
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: I know the Ravens or I think the Ravens will

1476
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: probably lose games or a game the rest of the season,

1477
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna pick it. Yeah, I'm picking them

1478
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: to win every single game.

1479
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent.

1480
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: Oh you are.

1481
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent there with you.

1482
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: In fact, because earlier in our Thursday shows and our previews,

1483
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 4: I was trying to be a little risky with the

1484
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 4: picks and think, oh, well, maybe this could I'm like, nope,

1485
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: team is good. Pick that team. Ravens are a wagon.

1486
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 4: Pick the Ravens. I'm picking the Ravens by a touchdown.

1487
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 4: Actually high scoring game, thirty five to twenty eight.

1488
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, I'll go thirty twenty seven. Not quite

1489
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: as high as last time around, but quite high. Comes

1490
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: down to the end, Bengals aren't done if they lose

1491
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: this game, but they feel like they're going to be

1492
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: in a different tier of like scrapping and trying to

1493
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: get to that seven seed. If they lose this game,

1494
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: they'll be in primetime because of the flex decision in

1495
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: a week as well against the Chargers. They'll have a

1496
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: little extra rest after this Thursday night, so they're not

1497
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I don't think there's season's done, but there's

1498
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: something about this team. They're just they weren't having fun

1499
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: coming into the season with the contract stuff both receivers,

1500
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: and they don't seem like they're having that much fun now.

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Speaker 1: It just they feel a little twenty three Eagles to me.

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to collapse like the Eagles,

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01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: but it's like they're just the expectations are tough in life.

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: You don't want to have expectations. I think they had

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01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: too much expectations.

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Speaker 3: You're a frustrated team.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say there's a lot of cool atmospheres in

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 4: the NFL, especially for night games. It's hard for me

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 4: to find one that's cooler than a night game home

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Speaker 4: at Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I've never been.

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Speaker 4: It's sick, dude, Like it's very Gothic vibes. It's just

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Speaker 4: very and it's loud and if you're a frustrated team

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Speaker 4: on the other side, it's only going to get more frustrating.

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Speaker 3: With that crowd.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we are both taking the Ravens. That was

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Speaker 1: the T andF preview presented by Prime Video. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to watch the Cincinnati Bengals take on the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: this Thursday on Prime Video Fun Show. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: Mike Garafolo for joining us. Thank you to Jordan rod

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Speaker 1: Rieg for making time in between her busy press conference schedule.

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Speaker 1: We will be back on the Wednesday preview. Show might

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Speaker 1: drop a little early this week since the trade deadline

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Speaker 1: one dropped early, maybe the preview two. Patrick Claybohn Steve

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Speaker 1: Weiss will be in the studio previewing all the games.

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Speaker 1: Look when we're bringing the Gothic vibes, you know football

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Speaker 1: is back.