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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tex Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren, And today we wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about a kind of controversial subject, something that

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Speaker 1: hit the news in early May of the idea of

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Speaker 1: using three D printers to print handguns, because someone's gone

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Speaker 1: and done that crazy thing, and to talk about what

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Speaker 1: the ramifications are, what the what, what was actually the gun?

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Speaker 1: And uh? And why are people concerned? And what are

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Speaker 1: the various things we need to take into account. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into all of that, I think it

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Speaker 1: benefits us to talk a little bit about three D

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Speaker 1: printing in general, just in case you aren't familiar with

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Speaker 1: the concept. Right and now, Jonathan and Chris did an

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Speaker 1: episode on three D printing way back in two thou nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was shortly after printing itself was invented. Um before that,

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Speaker 1: we just communicated by banging rocks together. No one was

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Speaker 1: alive then, yeah, well there was no no life. We

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Speaker 1: were alive, but anyway, no, no, no, no, no. We

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Speaker 1: did an episode on three D printing back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine, which was funny because at that point I

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Speaker 1: had never actually seen one in person. Now we have

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Speaker 1: one in the ophant, we have one in the office. Now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we actually have a three D printer here that's very

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Speaker 1: very tiny and we can only print small stuff with it.

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Speaker 1: But it's mostly green because we haven't changed out the plastic.

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Speaker 1: But what three D printers do. They print stuff in

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Speaker 1: three dimensions and they it's called additive manufacturing, yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's this is different from subtractive manufacturing. Subtractive would be

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Speaker 1: where you take a hunk of stuff and carve away

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Speaker 1: all the stuff you don't want. It's Michael Angelo's David exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're you cut away everything that doesn't look like David. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the sculpt sculpting point of view. You know,

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Speaker 1: to sculpt an elephant, you cut all the stuff away

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Speaker 1: that doesn't look like an elephant. But that's very wasteful.

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Speaker 1: It means that all that material you cut away you

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Speaker 1: potentially waste. By using editor of manufacturing, you're printing material.

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Speaker 1: In most cases, in consumer cases at any rate, plastics

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Speaker 1: in very thin layers uh in in in a predetermined

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Speaker 1: and you do this layer by layer by layer until

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Speaker 1: sticks together properly. Otherwise it would just fall apart and

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Speaker 1: crumble in your hands. But not not so useful. Useful.

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Speaker 1: It would be very pretty until you try to pick

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Speaker 1: it up. But the but the finished product winds up

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Speaker 1: being a single piece of plastic in this case. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we've got other there are other types of three

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Speaker 1: D printers out there. They're not for consumers that can

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Speaker 1: print in other materials. And we expect then the future

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Speaker 1: we're going to be able to do things like print

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Speaker 1: and metal, even to the point where we can print

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Speaker 1: circuit boards or human organs. Human organs using biological material

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Speaker 1: we can print it maybe glass, anything that would allow

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Speaker 1: would all be potentially possible using this method. If you're

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Speaker 1: interested in that. We uh. In our other show, Forward Thinking,

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Speaker 1: what's the big deal with three D printing? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: it's an incredibly disruptive technology. Uh. And I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: manufacturing and distribution in particular would be very much affected

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Speaker 1: you start worrying a lot more about the intellectual copyright

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Speaker 1: like how do you copyright a table? You know, but

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Speaker 1: and someone has done that. Ye as of as of

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Speaker 1: May four, Star Wars Day, Star Wars Day, it was

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Speaker 1: what a what a bummer? Yeah, that's a nice choice

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Speaker 1: of words. There, Lauren, I could see you like going

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Speaker 1: Excellent choice. I agree. So we have a fellow by

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Speaker 1: co founder and chief evangelist of a group called Defense Distributed.

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Speaker 1: Very clever. Yeah, it's a nonprofit organization. Yeah, And he

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Speaker 1: more into the whole story of Stratisis and and it's

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Speaker 1: very little actually, and when you've only got you know,

431
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: up to ten bullets, that's not yeah. So so this

432
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: is prompted many politicians and law enforcement officials to come

433
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: out and criticize this whole idea of three D printed guns.

434
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: It's not a big surprise, you know. I mentioned earlier

435
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: that the printer that Wilson used was purchased the Stratusis

436
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: Dimension S S T three D printer. Uh, they actually

437
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: were using a least one originally from the company. Yeah,

438
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: they leased it from Stratusis, but as of October Stratusis

439
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: figured out what they were doing and seized their property

440
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: back and said no thanks. Yeah, And you might say,

441
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: why would why do they care? They care because three

442
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: D printer companies, the companies that are designing these things

443
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: for consumers, Uh, they don't want the government to come

444
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: in and start regulating and legislating the stuff they make

445
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: because that's going to affect their business. So it could

446
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: get really expensive, it could get to be a huge

447
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: just licensing issue. Right. Uh, you guys might not be

448
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: aware of this, but three ds are not three D scanners,

449
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: but color scanners. Color scanners have have technology built into

450
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: them that will prevent them from doing things like copying

451
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: and reproducing current. See it's a form of DRM. Yeah,

452
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: it's really yeah, it really kind of is. It's it's

453
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: this idea of protecting it so that, you know, counterfeiters

454
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: can't just sit there at home and scan and print

455
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: money because once scanner's got to be that specific, that

456
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: became an issue. So you build that into the device

457
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: itself where it will not uh copy and print that

458
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing. The same sort of thing may be

459
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: true with three D printers. Politicians might say, you have

460
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: to find a way to prevent people from printing this

461
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: particular type of peace and then suddenly they have to

462
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: implement that. That drives up production costs for the three

463
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: D printer side. It drives up the consumer costs for

464
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: three D printers. That hurts the whole industry. That's that's

465
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: the viewpoint of the manufacturers and why they would not

466
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: be so keen on having their own materials made to

467
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: build something like a gun. So uh, So you had

468
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: the concern from the companies there as far as the

469
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: politicians and law enforcement goes. Law enforcement in the UK,

470
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: the Metropolitan Police pointed out that making or own being

471
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: a gun like this would be illegal unless you were

472
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: a registered firearms dealer with the proper credentials and quote

473
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: unquote authorities. Otherwise it would just owning a gun like

474
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: this in the UK would be considered illegal. Um. If

475
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: you used in a in any way, then that would

476
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: get you a pretty stiff penalty. Uh. In the United States,

477
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: there were senators from California, Senators and congress people, i

478
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: should say, uh, and council members in one case from

479
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: California Washington, d C. And New York who have all

480
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: expressed concern about three D printing gun printed guns, and

481
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: UH talked about getting coming up with legislation that can

482
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: prevent it, helping helping to revamp that Undetectable Firearms Act

483
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: that we were talking about earlier. This makes it complicated

484
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: because there's really only so much that you can do

485
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: from a legal perspective, like how do you how do

486
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: you prevent something that the cats already out of the bag.

487
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: You know, a hundred thousand people have downloaded this as

488
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: of today when we're recording this, so it's you know,

489
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to say, let's stop this from

490
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: happening now. It's we all know that once something's on

491
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: the internet, for Internet is forever. Yeah, So I did

492
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: want to mention that on the private side. Other there

493
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: were other roadblocks to the actual creation of this thing. UH.

494
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: Wilson had his crowdfunding campaign campaign through indie go Go

495
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: shut down um in August UM also to workshop spaces

496
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: that he had been using denied him access after learning

497
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: what he was up to. And furthermore, he originally had

498
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: some of these files up on thing verse by maker

499
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: Butt and down took it down. Yeah, the three D

500
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: printing community in general is reacting to this in very

501
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: much the same sort of way, saying that you know,

502
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: now you're bringing unwanted attention to our our our industry

503
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: or our hobby. Uh. You know, they've always said there's

504
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: going to be a disruptive kind of technology, but they

505
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: never thought of it in the terms of they didn't

506
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: frame it in the terms of disruptive being potentially violent,

507
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: which is not what Wilson is saying, although he also

508
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: really deflects any kind of criticism that even wanders towards

509
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: the violence question. Uh, to the point where, Uh, there

510
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: are times where I was reading some of his responses

511
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: when I'm thinking, like this guy took notes in the

512
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: second Matrix movie and said, how can I talk more

513
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: like the architect where I say a lot but don't

514
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: really say anything, or at least don't answer any questions.

515
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. You know, I've read it's it's harsh,

516
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: it's hard criticism that. But yeah, we've the two of

517
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: us both have probably read a lot of things that

518
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: that Wilson said. Well, not only that what he said,

519
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: but what he wouldn't say, Like if anyone confronted him

520
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: directly with questions about, well, what about folks who uh,

521
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, like convicts, are you saying that convicts should

522
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: have access to weapons? And instead of answering that question,

523
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: he would deflect it into something else philosophical. So he

524
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: he just refuses to answer those sort of things. Um,

525
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: so he may very well have coherent and uh and

526
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: and a good strong argument for that sort of case,

527
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: but he's not presenting it. So the recording of this

528
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: podcast right right, maybe maybe by this afternoon he said

529
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: something that completely addresses my concerns. But he's described himself

530
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: as a cryptoanarchist, which that already should kind of raise

531
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: alarm flags for certain people. Anarchy is a tough position

532
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: to really defend. I think it is, and that this

533
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: is getting into into a personal personal philosophy here and

534
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: uh and and Jonathan and I are are a little

535
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: bit more touchy feely, We're okay. So the way I

536
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: view it is that he's taken a particular stance where uh,

537
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: he's really put a lot of value on the individual,

538
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: which I don't disagree with. I think, you know, individuality

539
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: is very important. Individual freedoms are very important, and of course,

540
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: there's you know, all the different arguments you can make

541
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: about how if you trade liberty for security, then you

542
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: don't really have either. I've heard all these arguments before. Um,

543
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, there he seems very dismissive of

544
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: the idea of governments in general, so essentially saying that

545
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: the system is broken, and not only is it broken,

546
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: but it cannot be fixed. That at this point the

547
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: government system is completely beholden to special interests and corporations,

548
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: it does not truly represent people, it's doing more harm

549
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: than good, it's getting more and more intrusive in our

550
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: daily lives, and and and there's no way to fix it,

551
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and that therefore it must be destroyed from the inside. Yeah,

552
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: or at least at least ignored, right right, Really, he

553
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: doesn't so much stepped outside of and said, yeah, he's

554
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily condoning that we all rise up against

555
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: our tyrannical overlords, but necessarily more like, let's just not

556
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: pay attention to them anymore. Which, yeah, there's there's there's

557
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: a quote on the website of Defense Distributed where it says,

558
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: how did government's behave if they must one day operate

559
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: on the assumption that any and every citizen has near

560
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: instant access to a firearm through the Internet. Let's find out. Yeah,

561
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: so I mean here, here's here's my view. The three

562
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: D printing of guns was something that was going to happen.

563
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: It was bound to happen, uh, sooner or later. It

564
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: just happened to happen in uh. And there is going

565
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: to have to be a reaction to that, Like, what's

566
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: the right way of handling this? The cavalier attitude of

567
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Cody Wilson seems specifically geared to get a rise out

568
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: of people. Absolutely, and and you know, like and he's

569
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: and he's so intelligently and he quotes these these really

570
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: great philosophers when he's talking about all of these the

571
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, he talks about for co and how liberty

572
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: is under siege from the vast machine of the ruling

573
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: class control and and about you know, Milton and how

574
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: in order to be truly good you must be presented

575
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: with the freedom to be evil. Um. Right, We're getting

576
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: into some clockwork orange type stuff at this point. And

577
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: it's and it's that kind of thing that you know,

578
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: is intellectually delightful to discuss. But but when when you

579
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: get into practical matters. Uh, some problems rise up, right, right. So,

580
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: if we lived in a storybook world where governments were

581
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: the evil stepmother and we're all the perky little protagonist

582
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: who the poor orphan, who's who's pure of heart and

583
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: has the best of intentions, that's one thing, right, that's

584
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: of course you want the protagonist to win. But reality

585
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: is way more murky. I wouldn't go so far as

586
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: to say government is inherently evil, nor would I go

587
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: so far as to say individuals are inherently good. There's

588
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: so much shade of gray on all sides, of sides. Yeah,

589
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: And it's it's really people that make up a government.

590
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Some people are good, some people are not so good.

591
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: And and that's true within the population. We're within the

592
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: ruling class, and some systems maybe they are Maybe they

593
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: favor the people who are not so good over the

594
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: ones that are good. And that just means to me

595
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: that you have to fix the system. Now to Wilson,

596
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: it seems to mean you should abandon the system altogether.

597
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I just don't understand what replaces it. Uh. And one

598
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: of his quotes was it seemed very tongue in cheek

599
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: to me, but it was and I'm paraphrasing here, but

600
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: he was essentially saying that he was he would imagine

601
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: a future where, uh, the the individual citizen is making

602
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: everything that they need using things like three D printers,

603
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: and meanwhile, government funded drones are flying overheads searching out

604
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: all the dissidents, and that he's eager to see this

605
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: future come to pass. And I'm thinking, I don't want

606
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: to live in the road warrior world. I look really

607
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: bad in spiky shoulder paths. I don't I don't want

608
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: to go to Bartertown. Master Blaster scares me so anyway.

609
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of like his his philosophy, and um,

610
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna go any further about what

611
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: my own personal philosophy is. I think it's fairly clear

612
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: already from what I've said, but I only I definitely

613
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: find it troubling. But I mean, now it's a fact

614
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: of life, So now we do have to deal with it,

615
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and we were gonna have to deal with it sometime

616
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: or other. So it's not like I'm not going to

617
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: get too angry at Wilson for doing this because someone

618
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: was going to right the way he's done it is

619
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: a little more snarky than I would have cared for,

620
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: but you know, that's that's life. Um. So it'll be

621
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: interesting to see how this, how this plays out, whether

622
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: or not, uh, it ends up even being a big deal.

623
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: It's completely possible that this ends up being far more

624
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: fuss than what it it's worth, right, especially for another

625
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: few years, you know, before before people have I mean,

626
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, right now, this kind of technology costs about

627
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: ten grand to get access to. It's way easier to

628
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: go ahead and get a gun, even illegally money. Yeah, yeah,

629
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: or I'm you know, like hypothetically you could make one

630
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: yourself for under ten grand if I mean, that's you know,

631
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: it's a lot of knowledge that you have to bend

632
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: to that to you know, you know, file all the

633
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: metal into all the everything, you had to machine the

634
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: parts and everything. But um, but I mean, you know,

635
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: people have been making their own firearms for what four years? Yeah,

636
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: and it's and it's even legal to make your own

637
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: firearms under a very specific criteria in several countries and

638
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: clean the United States. But so really, when you when

639
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: you look at that level, it's not like, um, it's

640
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: not like this is the most unheard of thing in

641
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: the world. It's new, which is part of why it's

642
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: a little and it's it's digital, which which a lot

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Speaker 1: It'll be. It'll be interesting and a little bit scary

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