WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Here's The Rundown 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.640 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:19.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.439 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World ahours at the 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:34.640 Star in Frisco. Saws Got tay Now your hosts, Nicky Spagnola, 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:40.720 Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones, and welcome into 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.559 Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage studio here at the 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.479 Star in Frisco. Rob Phillips hosting for Bill Jones for 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.400 another day. Hope to get him back later in the week. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.760 The Great Everson Walls across the table from me. I 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.480 am now official. He's now official. I am now as 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.080 he's on the signage. He's got a badge. I got 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.119 a badge. Hey, I want I want to just uh 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.560 ground rules here. I'm official now, Okay, No, what is it? 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.520 Mike Fences is his name? No, No moments like that. Okay, 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.120 you know I'm talking about silent. What he was a 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.800 silent which was not silent, It was deadly. We'll avoid 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.080 that none of that here, Okay. Can we just agree now? 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.200 Go ahead? Uh? Because he spoke from the other side 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.720 of his his body, which I'm sure people think he 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.959 says that all does that all the time anyway, But no, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:40.720 it was a it was unsolicited comment from the other 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.600 side of his from the back side of his body. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.320 And uh, he tried to deny it, right, and he's 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.240 the only one in the studio. What what are you 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.280 gonna do? What are you gonna say? He did well, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.040 he played it off real well. And now they've they've 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.240 got this controversy out there about who dealt it and 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.000 who smelt it. They could have just said it was 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:10.639 a drop, yeah, which drop, very odd drop. So we'll 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.840 have none of that, none of that. I'm official now 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.320 now that he's official. Yes, and not from you, even 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:21.160 on your birthday today, Happy birthday. I appreciate that and 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.079 yours kind of close to it. Yeah, I'm at the 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.800 end of the month. End of the month. You guys 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.799 gave me a cake one time, Bill, Bill gave me 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.720 a cake. I was at the Gay Lord, and uh, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.040 that's right, give this show out there, gave me a 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.560 big old cake. And I'm not a chocolate cake guy, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.320 but that was one of the best freaking cakes I've 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.799 ever had. Yeah, it was fancy, that's right, because I 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.160 actually agreed to do the show. I think kind of it. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.840 Last last million, he took me away from my family, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.840 said it was my birthday. Well we don't, we don't 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.440 have anything for you today. I apologize, but you got 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.480 forty five minutes with me and every since. That's good. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.639 I'm blessed you have somebody. I'm sitting right here. You 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.919 got here. Yeah. Absolutely? How many years is it today? Uh? 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.000 Sixty seven and still grinded, that's right? How many years 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:14.400 on the beat? Thirty five? Wow? Yeah, So you need 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:20.200 that that whole jack, Jack black, you need jack. You 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:25.880 got it. I should have been using it reverse time. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.920 You know that, right? And it dawned on me that Sunday. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.960 So was it December eighth? If I got my dates right? Correct? Right? 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:39.280 That was twenty eight years ago. We got the word 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.120 at a Cowboys game on Sunday that Dallas Times Harold 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:47.920 was being closed. Yes, yeah, twenty eight years ago, right 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:52.680 before your birthday. Humhuh yeah, but you're right after Pearl 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.760 Harbor day. I said, oh, this is a different guy, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.360 Pearl Harbor. But you didn't skip a beat. You stayed 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.440 on the beat all the way through. And this twenty 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.600 nineteen season, at least the regular season is coming to 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.680 a close. Can the Cowboys wind up playing into January? 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.280 That's the question that we're gonna get somebody wants. Yeah, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.560 we're gonna get answers in the next three weeks, and 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.719 it continues Sunday against the Rams. I think it's a 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.720 good time of the week to probably dive into La 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.800 and what they've been able to do the last couple weeks, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.600 in particular as we look towards that matchup. But before 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.040 we do that, Jason Garrett just had his press conferences. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.320 What do you glean from that, Mick Well, from a 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:37.640 injury standpoint, it sounded like things were improving except for 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:43.040 Layton Vanderich, which you know, I he's not practicing this 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:48.000 week and there's only two weeks after this. My feeling 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.719 on this and sort of what I've been able to 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.560 get told was that they probably would have to get 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.680 into the playoffs for him to get back and play that. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.279 You know, he's got a herniated disc in his neck. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.320 Let's let's face it, you know, and and you those 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.560 things take their time. They're trying to get it to 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:11.400 calm down. I don't know if it's like I'm not 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.040 familiar with this part of it. But you know, when 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.400 you haven't heard an eighty disc in your back, you 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.480 can you can take a shot. I don't know that 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.320 you can do that in your neck. I don't know 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.679 what you want to do that right in your neck? Yeah, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.000 and from one eye and stay on that epidural needle 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.520 is pretty long. And so yeah, I got one myself 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.040 a few weeks ago. Ye for a back. Yes, different 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.960 story and you probably didn't see it, which you were 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.839 better off. Nope, they put you under, which is good. Yeah, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:41.320 so that that's what they give to the ladies, right, yes, yeah, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.440 So anyway, Uh, they're just hoping that they can treat 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.200 it and calm it down, but not yet. Good news 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.280 is is Jeff Heath uh should do something today. Now 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.039 he's got I think we talked about it the other day. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.279 He's got two shoulders and we all have two shoulders, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:06.479 or he has two shoulder injuries. Well that's why I write, 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:11.200 don't talk right. Um, he's got laboram tails tears in 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.680 both shoulders. So that is that's very painful. And what 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.640 they're doing is they've he's been trying to wear a 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.080 brace and work through it, uh to and the brace 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.120 restricts your range of motion in your arms so it 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.360 doesn't go too far back and I'm kind of moving 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.320 my arm back behind my back and uh and so 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.680 to reduce where the pain starts hitting. So, uh, he's 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.279 gonna try. I don't know if he makes it, but 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.040 it sounds like he's going to do something today. Antoine 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.680 Woods with the spray knee, looks like he'll do something. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.960 And same thing for Tony Pollard with the sprained ankle. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.360 He was close to the game on Thursday. Uh, just 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.159 couldn't get back in time. So now he's had he'll 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.120 have ten days before he has to play, and uh, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.680 I think he's getting a chance to do. And then 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:05.279 he mentioned afterwards that the offensive lineman that have been limited, Uh, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:10.280 you know Lale Collins, Zach Martin. Um, I guess tiring 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:15.160 a little bit. The layoff between games as hell, because 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.960 four games in nineteen days I think took a toll 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.880 on some of these guys physically. I would say Mary 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.280 Cooper too, and and maybe no one asked about Coop, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.600 but I would say yes for him also, I mean 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.880 he was because they were regulating his snaps in the game. Yeah, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.120 the last probably since Detroit, I would think. I think 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.760 he played significantly fewer snaps against Detroit. And then you 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.520 start that stretch like you said, now he's been injured 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.080 when we the whole Gilmore match up, right, and he 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.640 was not happy about the the narrative that was going there. Yeah, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.320 because it wasn't full of strength, the weather was crappy, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.960 and they we said he shut him. He was shut down, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.960 and his body language didn't look good either way. You're 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.560 on the sidelines, they running the ball. He didn't even 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.800 have a code on. He's just sitting there, you know, 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.640 getting drenched. So it just the body language just didn't 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.880 didn't look good. And and yeah, he was injured before 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.960 that game and was kind of volatile and angry about 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.600 the fact that we thought that Gilmore shut him out. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.520 He was not happy about that. And and let's face it, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.440 these last couple games, I think in some instances when 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.720 they went three wide, but they you thought they were 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.600 going to run the ball. They didn't think Tavon Austin 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.839 needed to be in there, right, but he was. And 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.840 so that was a way to give him a break 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.840 and not have him play sixty plays in a game 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.720 and limited to about thirty thirty. So, dare we say 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.559 that after this break that this team will be whole. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.320 Maybe that offensive line will be e when stronger the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:56.880 team that the unit that we've always grown to know 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.880 and love and depend on, yes, depend on for this 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.719 team to really when you're talking last year, especially the 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.880 rookie year with Dak and Zeke, they were they were 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.200 the union on this team. They were the union on 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.079 this squad. They were the studs and train the camp. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.480 You know, they were they walking around together. It's almost 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.120 like they went slow motion everywhere they went, because they 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.680 looked like the slow motions. Yeah. Now, kind of cool though, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.800 And you know, and I still say that New England 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.800 game took a lot out of them. I just think 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.319 took a lot out of them physically. Jason Garrett was 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.360 asked about that on the fan a couple of days ago. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.320 I think because you said at the second half of 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.880 the Buffalo game on Thanksgiving fatigue might have been a factor, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.480 and he he said, look, it's no excuse. We've played 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.040 this schedule where you played Thanksgiving and then you have 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.560 a Thursday. Yeah many years and then and then that 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.400 Thursday game. You don't necessarily have that ten days break 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.120 that many buy, which they just got. He didn't use 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.120 it as an excuse, but I think, you know, that 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.439 was unusual circumstances in New England, and I think it 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.120 probably did play a little bit of a factor and 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.080 something that we should we should u consider acknowledging. I guess, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.480 yeah that maybe if they come back after this ten 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.200 ten day break and yeah, we'll see, We'll see, Yeah 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.120 maybe with this is the squad that we've been waiting on, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.880 and they've just been held back a little bit just 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.400 by the circumstances of the schedule itself and unusual burden 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.160 that is put on us this particular year. Usually we 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.960 handled it very well, but this year we hadn't. And 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.400 hopefully that's one reason that we can be optimistic about 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.480 the return. You know. And I, as I pointed out 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.240 before that twenty fourteen season, when they had the late 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.960 night game against New York on Sunday before Thanksgiving, freezing 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.320 and that the one looks freezing and then they come 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.920 back and get back at four or five in the morning, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:43.640 and then you got to play on Thursday. They know, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.920 showed against the Eagles and they were a twelve and 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.480 four team that year, and that was one of the 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:53.480 losses they know, showed on Thanksgiving at home against the Eagles, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.520 And you know, I don't know if there's a correlation 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.839 there or not. I just know how my body feels, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:06.280 and I didn't play by the fields right now twenty 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.600 year I feel every more you're talking rooms and like, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.680 oh yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, okay that yeah, speaking 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:19.120 of that, when you reach this up, yeah, gotta check everything. Okay, 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.720 we're good, let's go. Everybody's got a little something. Yeah. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.720 All that being said, Jerry has pointed out multiple times though, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.640 that overall the health of this team is pretty good. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.000 I mean, you know, you miss Vanderesh Heath obviously going 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.960 through some stuff. You haven't had Woods for several games 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.880 this year, off and on, and then we forget. But 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.760 Connor Williams get placed on injured that's it's like when 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.720 he's not in the injury port, you forget about the 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.320 guy that's Tyrone Crawford. They I think they miss his 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.000 versatility and in the middle defensive line or on the 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.760 edge as well. But overall it's pretty healthy group. I mean, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.000 you look at the Eagles, I mean al Sean Jeffrey 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.000 reportedly out for the year, they're dealing with the more 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.520 out yea. So it's sometimes attrition and being able to 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.480 be the healthier team can be the difference this time 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.079 of year. I mean, and even though you're healthy, and 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.960 I'm hoping that's the case here, even though the Cowboys 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.599 are healthy, they're still fatigued. I'm hoping they're just fatigued 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.760 from the schedule and from the grind that we've just 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.199 talked about. So hopefully when they come back with the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.560 same healthy players, but with more energy, more vigor, you know, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.200 it'll be interesting to see. I don't know if he 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.400 has padded practices left or not, if they're in pads 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.360 today or if they've used them up, because I know 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.000 over these last several games they did not practice in 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.920 pat You only get crazy, man, What did I tell you? 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:45.439 It's something like thirteen at the most. Yeah, and you 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.720 get you can't save them for the last three weeks either. Yeah, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.839 you got to use them. So you know he didn't 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.480 use them before Thanksgiving. He probably didn't use them last 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.800 week because you're playing again, any any kind of like 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.880 en up going into that New England game just knowing 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.440 what was ahead too, So it'd be interesting see if 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.480 they have any padded practice was left and if he 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.360 puts the pads on today, anything else come out of Garrett. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.240 You know. The other thing that coach Garrett said that 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.360 jumped out to me was he just was bluntly honest 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.120 about the fact that they have not played well enough 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.760 in all three phases, you know, offense, defense, special teams. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.680 It just hasn't been good enough, regardless of weather, schedule, injuries. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.120 And that's where the team is right now. I mean 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.760 you could you could throw out a lot, Yeah, you 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.920 could really throw out a lot, but there's got to 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.840 be still just you still have to quantify what's your 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.679 strength At this point. You could just say, yeah, we're 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.360 all playing like crap, but you still as a team 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.040 have to quantify. Okay, what can we hang our head 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.720 on at this point? We can't just what they what's 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.280 the term throughout the baby with the bath water, right, 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:58.760 which is very odd visual came up with. That's saying 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.760 all right, somewhat person, you know so, but what you 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.080 look at you still have to quantify where how are 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.360 we going to hone our attack now towards our opposition? 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.679 What what do you guys think it is? What do 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.439 you think still they can hang their hat on to 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.240 quote you ever since, because that's a good point. I 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.359 mean they've got to have something they feel like still 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.680 their strength. Offensive line still playing well, yeah, Zeke still 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.280 running the ball, they opened up the hole's great average. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.440 You know, you got a couple of touchdowns even amongst 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.840 the incompetence, you could pick that out as the consistent 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:45.000 aspect of this offense. Passing has been um consistent, but 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.120 it hadn't been exciting, you know, it hadn't been effective. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.720 It's been consistent, but now effective and simply because the 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.040 other side of the ball just just in holding up 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.320 there their their weight, but they aren't pulling their weight. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.200 So to me, it's just like where we've always at. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.720 Our offensive line is really where we need to concentrate 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:10.440 on being our consistent attack mode. You know, that should 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.240 be that should be our sword is by the running 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.200 game itself and complimenting it with a good passing game. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.920 That to me, that's something that we've we've always hung 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.800 our head on and if we could just show it 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.240 up defensively at all, along with getting our third downs, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.480 we have not first drive, not the first drive third downs, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.880 I mean, continually move the chains on third downs, especially 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.400 during crucial parts of the moment. Let's just be real, guy. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.200 Numbers are amazing. We can always took a number number 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.120 seven in defense, well number our offenses got some number 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:52.280 one tag somewhere, but you're still not effective. So forget 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.360 the numbers and I'll tell them the whole story. It's 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.800 all about the situations. That's a great point because four 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.960 for four I think on third down that first drive, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.720 as you said, they were something like two for thirteen 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.640 the rest of the way or something close to that. Again, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.200 you could take that two for thirteen and just give me, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.200 give me a five for thirteen. So those other three 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.720 they got to be crucial third downs. You understand what 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.040 I'm saying, sir. We're in moments now. It's not about numbers, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.520 and they keep quantifying things. I get that, but it's 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.520 about moments right now. And that's why I brought up 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.160 the Ravens yesterday. They don't care about numbers. The defense 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.480 don't care about numbers. It's just one defense I'm talking 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.680 about with San Francisco. They're gonna ball out no matter 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.240 what the situation is. They don't care about Oh, this 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.880 is third down, guys, here we go, this is what 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.920 we're strong. They don't mention that in the huggle. They 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.120 just come out and ball. They might they were getting 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.360 toasted by the Saints all game long, but when it 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.920 came down to the moments, they made the play. Nick, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.760 where do you where do you think this team should 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.800 still be confident in terms of strength of the team 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.680 where they can hang their hat on. So I still 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.240 think offense, and I needed to look this up because 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:59.640 I was gonna say it and I didn't want to 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.040 speak like, oh, you don't know what he's talking about. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.920 One of the things that I think's happened with this offense, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.440 and Everson kind of touched on it. I haven't done 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:13.440 anything like spectacular, like big plays in the passing game. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.200 So I looked it up. In these last three games, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.720 they've only had ten passing plays of twenty yards or more. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.520 They had. They've got fifty seven for the season. And 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.159 if you look at you know, the Minnesota game, I 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.879 know they lost, but they've got about and i'd have 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.920 to count it up ten plays in that game. Since then, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:42.160 what Detroit or not Detroit, New England, Buffalo and Chicago, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.280 they've got ten pass plays of twenty yards or more, 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.879 and four of them are in the fourth quarter of 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.360 this last game, when the Bears are basically saying, all right, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.600 we'll give you a but there. I think teams have 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.439 adopted this defensive style is we're coming after you, but 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.919 we're gonna keep everything in front of us, right, and 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.320 we're not going to give you those big plays down 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.879 the field. That's what I was going to ask you, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.800 because has you think there's been a shift in terms 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.680 of approach by opponents? Yes, from those yes, I think 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.760 it was Minnesota and Detroit where committing a lot of 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.280 bodies in different ways to stop Zeke, but there was 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.240 a lot of openings in the passing game. You think 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.639 it's been different during this three game losing streak. So 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:27.800 against in Minnesota and Detroit, they had sixteen pass plays 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.720 of twenty yards or more, Yeah, and now ten in 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.240 three games. So I think people looked at what happened 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.440 in those games and it's like, all right, they're slinging 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.879 around the first three games of the season. Yeah. Actually, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.680 even through Green Bay, I think the Jets game they 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.520 only had two Philadelphia they won the game, they only 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.120 had two, and then the next Giants game they only 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.760 had three, and then the next two games they had 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.640 all those twenty yard pass plays. They were running all 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.320 over the place down in the secondary right now. All 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.160 of a sudden, it's like, okay, how do we stop 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.640 this passing game because we can't contain it. They've got 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.280 too many weapons. Well, blitz and make sure everything's in 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.600 stead is in front of you, right course, especially a 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:17.240 play action pass. Yes, And that's where we were extremely 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.760 successful during mid season. Up till mid season, our play 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.679 action was amazing. I think uh DAK was about one 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.240 fifty eclip in regards to play action you proficiencies. Passing 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.760 efficiency was about one fifty and that they talked about that, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.760 so teams became aware of it. Of course, if if 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.080 if a commentator is aware of it, then the other 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.840 the defensive coordinator is aware of it. And they felt, okay, 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:43.720 we're gonna have to take the lesser of the evils 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.560 with a talented team, a team that can do more 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.840 than one thing. So they decided, okay, we're gonna stop 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.160 Zeke and anytime they come with the play action, we're 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.280 gonna make sure and not give up the big play 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.840 and make them continue to drive. And this is what 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.520 you've seen has come through. We have the great drives 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.520 going and at that time, we got nothing left. They're 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.320 not gonna let's do the same thing over again. In 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.200 those seventeen plays during that drive, they're not gonna let's 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.840 do those same things over again. We've already exposed ourselves 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.960 and with the still play action mentality defensively, they're gonna 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.679 make sure and keep everything in front of them, and 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.000 it just makes things hard for us offensively, and that's 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.160 what that's what takes away the excitement. That's why we're uneventful, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.080 because they're just keeping everything in front of us. You 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.360 can drive eighty yards, and seventeen plays have added more 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.119 than once, yeah than once, show you can consistently do. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.160 And then as we get to the red zone as 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.240 games go on, that's where we become uneffective. Ineffectives in 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.000 the red zone because we'll drive all the way down, 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:49.280 but then we can't score, miss field goals, bad play calling, 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.000 bad execution. So we've fallen right into that and that's 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.320 been that pattern since they have started playing us like that. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.000 That's been our pattern offensively. That's been our pattern of 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.120 failure of fancifully and literally eighty yards driving as Mick 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.520 just said, because I think they're average. 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