WEBVTT - Ep 93: Biffy Clyro's Simon Neil 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.559 I have a joke with my way from a week 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:03.440 up in the morning that's gonna say off two questions, 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.280 what would Create do and what would Freddy do? For 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.600 freda we mayericy That gets me through the day. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:08.920 Evening. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.960 Everyone, Greg here, Welcome to Midnight Chats. Unfortunately, that's the 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:15.800 last time I'm going to be able to say that 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.680 on this current series. When we kick off this run 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.080 of new conversations back at the start of March, our 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.279 plan was to bring you ten new podcasts. We're a 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.560 touch shigher that we've only managed eight. But for the moment, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.720 with everything going on and just being totally honest, we 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.000 can't afford to keep on making them, as we've had 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.680 to prioritize other things. But very soon we're going to 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.440 be announcing news about the future of Loud and Quiet 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.760 and what comes next. So that means this podcast, the 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.480 other podcast we make, the magazine we do, the website 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.080 and everything else, and how you can get involved and 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.040 how you can help with that. We'll be making sure 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.520 you hear about that too. But a word on series 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.000 nine though the ones we have managed to bring you 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.160 are reckoning the best we've ever done. Stewart and I 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.959 want to say a huge thanks to all our guests 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:11.400 on this run. That's been tam I Parlor, Kylie ra Jepson, Caribou, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:17.240 Kim Gordon, LaRue, Ed O'Brien, James Acaster, and of course 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.880 tonight's guest, the charming and conscientious Simon Neil, singer and 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.600 guitarist with one of Britain's biggest rock bands, Biffy Cairo. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.960 Like almost all of our recent chats, I should intro 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.800 this by saying the episode was recorded before the mass measures, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.800 with the pandemic lockdown and everything else. It was in 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.120 the middle of February, in fact, the day of the 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.440 twenty twenty brit Awards. Since then, like so many other artists, 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.360 Biffy Cairo have had their plans upended this year due 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:55.000 to everything happening with coronavirus. Their new album, A Celebration 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.160 of Endings, their ninth album, has been bumped back and 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.000 he scheduled now to come out in August. In terms 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.800 of this podcast, this maybe more than any other midnight 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.960 chats I've ever recorded, was very natural the way we 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:10.600 always intended it, or hope that. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:11.000 It would be. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.560 I went in with plans to talk to Simon about 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.120 the new album the Brits and hear some stories from 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.920 Biffy Clio's twenty five years together, but we didn't do 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.280 any of that. Instead, it turned into a passionate chat 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:31.800 about well the state of the world between two frustrated 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.000 but ultimately optimistic and hopeful people. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.480 At least I like to think. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.919 If you notice a change in the audio about halfway 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.320 through your ears aren't playing up, that's down to good 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.120 old fashioned technical difficulties during the recording. I had to 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.399 swiftly move to Plan B when the equipment had a meltdown. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.240 But hopefully it doesn't spoil your enjoyment too much. And yeah, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.720 thank you to you for listening to this episode of 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.520 the podcast and this series. Go check out the others 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.880 you haven't caught up with, and hopefully, fingers crossed, we 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.839 will see you again on the other side. Until then, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.480 this is episode ninety three of Midnight Chats with Simon 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.600 Neil from Biffy Clyira. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.200 That's my new career, man, I'm slowly. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:16.919 The only reason I'm in a band is so I 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.400 can move into a voiceover career and just sit at 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.359 home and just do my work. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.200 Should they you should do audiobooks. Oh hey, I'd love to. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.560 You've got the voice for audiobooks though, that's very kind 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.360 of you to say. I was at my friend's wading 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.280 in London sometime and I get asked if I would 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.240 be their new spokesperson because the guy loved my voice 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.600 so much. And I was completely taken aback. I was like, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:38.480 what do you want me to do? 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:38.720 All? 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.360 You know that, everything, every kind of tanna, every speech 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.520 or whatever that was happening. You know, I was like, 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.240 and it almost just jacked in the music. Honestly, I 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.880 was like, Oh, I was so flattered. But no, maybe 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.880 maybe I will maybe I'll need to write a book. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.040 Do you ever use any of those like meditation apps, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.080 because like, I feel like you've got the calm voice that. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.680 Could adapt to it. Actually I do. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.320 I struggle with sleeping greg, So yeah, I've tried it 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.960 or tried all the meditative apps. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:05.760 You know. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.360 Actually I've got a few tricks up my sleeve to 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.720 help myself sleep. But yeah, I mean I do transcendental 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.120 meditation a couple of times a day, which really helps 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.560 a lot. But yeah, I don't really I'm a podcast 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.280 guy when I'm going to my sleep which probably doesn't 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:21.080 help me drift off. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.320 But I've got a friend who uses podcast to help 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.599 himself sleep. But his trick is that he listens to 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.760 the same podcast over and over so that it's a 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.679 totally familiar thing. It's a Stephen fry Pogas al right, Okay, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.040 So he doesn't like stimulate his brain with new ideas. Effectively, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.040 he sort of uses just something familiar that isn't music 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.160 but is speech to help him. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.520 Yeah, I know, you mean, it's it's that fine line 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.960 if because if even you start to learn the pod, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.080 if you're listening to the same podcast, you maybe start 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.880 to learn it, and then I would end up preempting 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.520 what the next line would be. So yet it's that 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.320 fine fine line. But I tend to sleep, which it's 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.120 now no surprise that I don't sleep well because I 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.240 go to sleep listen to crime podcasts, which bizarre I 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.720 find quite relaxing, you know, and not in a twisted way. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.880 Just it is something about the tone of voice. I've 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:06.240 got a couple. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.840 There's this Australian one called case File and the guy 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.080 who's got a wonderful Australian accent. So it's not really 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.720 about the content. I think your friend right, it's probably 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.640 just the rhythm of his speech, and that there's a 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.960 comfort to me, like I feel relaxed. I know I'm 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.760 about to go to sleep with if he's on. So 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.080 but then sometimes I make it through three podcasts and 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.680 I'm like, oh, no they. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.800 Didn't where I am and I've got a gap a 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.440 seven oh not for me? Man, true true, yeah exactly 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.360 light a co yeah, exactly. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.800 Mid days early for me, mid days early for me. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.400 Did you go through a cycle? Did you try all 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.040 those different things? Because it's like, I know some people 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.920 that use podcasts. I know some people that use you 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.080 can just get kind of nature sound effects and people 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.840 want to hear like the sound of the sea or 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.120 the sound of like a haunted woodland or something. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.240 Yeah, it blew me away when when I went on 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.920 YouTube and everything, there's like six hours or just woodland 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.000 sounds or self drained. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.440 So I've tried all that. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.760 James tries this Buddha kind of thing that just go, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.080 which I think works a treat for him. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.799 But yeah, I mean I've kind of tried it all. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.960 I sometimes wonder if the act of thinking about how 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.960 you're sleeping negates your sleep so much. You know, I'm 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.080 now so preoccupied with how well I'm sleeping or how 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.159 I'm going to get to sleep tonight. And I think 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.640 because we travel a lot, great, you know, there's a 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.880 thing that apparently when you stay in bed one night, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.800 you're in a thing called surveillance mode. So you can 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.120 never truly have a good night's sleep. If you're like 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.599 going to State, your friends are staying at hotel the 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.119 first night, you don't sleep that your body just sits 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:38.479 at a certain level. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, And 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.760 for us when we're on tour, that's I think that's 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.280 when my sleep problems kind of started because you just 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.880 you just don't hit a routine. You maybe sleep if 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.279 you're exhausted. You know, your body's telling you, right, you 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.240 need rest. But yeah, I really struggle with that and tour, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.839 And I think anyone that's kind of creative, you know, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.880 like yourself and things, when you've got your brain, is 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.200 your is your AMMO, you know, like like without your brain, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.479 you're you don't create anything. So so I find it 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.640 really hard to switch that off, you know. I mean 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.560 it's not it's not matter. It's a first world problem, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.960 isn't it. You know, didn't quite get my seven hours, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:11.760 you know, true. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.400 But yeah, it's all about that, you say, it's being 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.560 able to function, and it's such an important part of that. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.920 What about life on the bus. There's this sort of 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.040 like romanticized view of what it's like traveling around being 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.960 on a tour bus. But the very practical, very unrock 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.440 and roll reality is that you're sleeping in kind of 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.120 bunk beds and your and and you're being transported. It's 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:34.360 it's not something that everybody experiences, like if you've got 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.720 you to that over the years, does it because some 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.560 people say it's like, you know, they find it easy 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.640 falling asleep in the back of a car or something. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:40.680 What how has that been? 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:41.320 It's weird. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.080 It's probably just like being a baby, you know how 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.640 some parents they take their kid out in the car 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.280 to let it drift off. They're just drive around for 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.600 four hours in the middle of the night. I think 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.920 that's probably what bands are like, or people that are 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:53.400 into your bus. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.480 You get used to being rocked to sleep. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.080 But it's definitely sometimes you get a snapshot when you're 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:00.680 in the middle of it. You know, you kind of 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.440 take a view from the outside and you're like you 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.600 think about you're hurtling along and more of the autoban 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.000 at eighty miles an hour and you're just in this 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.160 big metallic coffin basically, you know, And and it can 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.960 be a right freak out if you almost need to 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.320 switch your brain off because it is pretty unusual and 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.240 it's and it's a weird existence. Once you've been in 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.760 tour for like a month, that throb of the engine 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:22.320 becomes like. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:23.600 A part of who you are. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.120 And bizarrely, when you get home it's it can be 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.680 a real struggle, like you know, not just sleep, just 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.480 a sense of not being in motion all the time. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.400 And I'm not going to talk about something other than 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.880 the traveling, but it gets your mind and your body 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.240 is just used to the propulsion of being on tour 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.480 doing shows, moving all the time. And then when you 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.360 get home it can be such a shock to the 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.400 system and it's like you've lost your purpose, you know. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.520 And so so being on tour and being in that. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.920 Bus ends up you equate it with with having purpose 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.160 and doing something, you know, So then when you don't 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.200 have that, you're kind of like you're almost like wandering 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.600 kind of you don't have an anchor almost you know, 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:02.960 it's a strange. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.720 A completely different line of work. But like I've had 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.280 conversations with people in the past whose job involves them 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.480 going away. Maybe they're in like one of the military services, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.360 or you know, maybe their job is to go and 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.439 work on an oil rig or something somewhere where you 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.120 go away for long extended periods of time, where you 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.760 live your life to like a set routine, as in, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.320 you get up, you have you're moving around, you're living 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.160 your life to a schedule, and you come home and 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.120 you're stationary and you're self sufficient again and you have 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.679 to think about the shopping list or those types of things. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.200 Do you still feel this sense of coming out of 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.679 this sort of decompression when you get off the road. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.160 Yeah, definitely, definitely. I Mean you're used to kind of 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.400 a lot of decisions being made for you. So it's 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.840 it's almost like the das are series of check you know, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.160 boxes to take where you have to be somewhere at 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.080 a certain team and do you think so, but you're 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.480 not actually making any conscious decisions, and everything becomes there's 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.520 a comfort in the repetition of that, you know, and 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.960 it's like that I'm not sure what the name of 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.320 it is, but the Japanese art of doing mastering one 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.520 thing your entire life, you know, I love. That's always 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.560 really appealed to me. And that's what it feels like. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.680 You do and tour, you just become this highly tuned thing, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.040 not even a person, you know, where you're like you 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.800 can perform, you can do interviews and you can engage 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.480 with people, but like the most basic decisions are you 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.360 can't do. Like if I was to decide when to go, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.160 you know, when my day should start, I wouldn't know, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.400 you know. So when you get home and you have 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.559 that freedom, it doesn't feel like a freedom. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.960 It feels like a restriction, you know. And it's the 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:36.640 one thing. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.920 That after having done this band for so long, myself, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.040 Ben and James, we're still not quite sure how we've 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.679 managed to not lose our minds. You know, a lot 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.960 of people have traveled and toured less than us and 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.960 they hit that wall of oh my god, you know, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.000 I can't do it, nothing makes sense anymore. And part 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.720 of it, I think for us is that we still 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.400 live in the same part of Scotland that we've always 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.760 been in and I think that connection snaps as a 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.160 little back more into reality. But it's it's still a 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.120 real problem, and I still haven't found a way to 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.840 truly combat it, you know, even coming home from the record. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.840 When you're making a record, you're in one place for 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.160 a while. But but again, I feel, I feel like 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.920 I on ever have purpose when I'm when I'm either 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.559 making a record or going into her and playing. And 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:27.160 that's that's a weird kind of place to be in 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.720 because I can't relax. My wife always complains to me 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.320 because when I'm home and I have some time off, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.880 I'm always desperate for time off to chill. And then 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.360 when I have time off, at the opposite of chill, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.480 you know, I'm on edge, and I'm and I'm rudderless 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.000 and and I'm and I'm dying to dive straight back 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.520 into work. And so it's a it's a strange it's 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.079 a strange kind of I don't know if it's in 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.240 in an alarm clock I have or something, or purpose 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.000 is the best word, you know, not to keep mentioning 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.960 justin Bieber's best album, but but he's but you know, 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.240 it is a sense, it is a sense of purpose, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.000 and and I think That's probably why we've made so 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.439 much music over the years, because you know, my family, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.880 they were you know, my dad worked his entire life. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.800 He's now retired, but he still he runs a bowling green. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.440 You know, my dad was a bowler, Scottish international bowler, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.840 and he runs a bowling green. He's still working like 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.679 sixties a week and it's seventy And actually, I've got this. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.760 This sums up probably my dad and my family more 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.160 than anything. My dad had had a wee fall not 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.760 long ago and he busted his face open and broke 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.120 his nose, and then on the ambulance and the way 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.760 to the hospital, he got the ambulance to take him 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.880 past my brother's house so he could give him the 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.080 keys for the bowling so that my brother could still 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.520 open the bawling and my brother, you know, my dad 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.520 was at the door, like completely disfigured. My brother almost 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.920 had a heart attack. You know, I think when I 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.040 see how hard people working in real jobs, you know, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.520 and I'm blessed to this. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.040 I do consider it real what I do. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.559 But in terms of real working, real job, I feel 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.160 the guilt when I'm at home if I'm twiddling my fingers. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.280 You know, twiddling my thumbs for more than a week 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.040 or even a few days, I'm like, oh, I need 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.520 to get in and get my thumb out of Marcy here. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.280 You know that this is I'm lazy. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.920 There's that temptation, isn't there to look at the I 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.280 totally feel what you've just said there, Like there's that 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.360 temptation to sort of look at the older generation and 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.600 you're like, why aren't you just sort of slowing down? White, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.760 Why haven't you You could have retired by now. It's 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.000 all fine, But then you do realize that, yeah, it's 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.840 such an important part of things. Is like having that 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.720 reason you get up in the morning. I'm sure your 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.240 dad has a great community of friends and like his responsibilities, 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.880 and he feels a commitment to the community and the 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.800 framework of everything that he works with day to day, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.240 and that's the thing that keeps him going and he 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:35.880 enjoys it. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.880 You hear about people that when they stop working and 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.360 all that, and then you're just kind of without saying, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.400 bleaking and waiting around to die at that point. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.199 And I truly believe that the. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.880 Thing about my dad's generation as well, you know, and 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.360 my dad said something that made me so proud of him. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.640 After the breaks a voting things, he said, my generation 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.679 shouldn't be allowed to vote for this because it will 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.600 not affect is it. You know, it was the proudest 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.960 I'd ever you know, because me and my dad's politics 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.120 are kind of a little bit different. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:04.480 My dad is more old school. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.720 But when he said that, I thought, you're so right, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.320 and you know, we can take a lot from the 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.640 previous genet, from our parents and things. You know, I 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.840 really want to take the best of everything that that 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.400 generation has taught us, because at the moment I feel 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.160 that there's a bit of a revolt against it, thinking, oh, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.280 you know, okay, boomer and all this and that, and 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.800 I think that's fine, but it is dismissive. And I 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.600 don't think we can dismiss any generation the same way 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.800 that that generation should not be dismissing this young generation 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.640 who are caring about the future of the planet and everything. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.120 I think that disconnected. Really, I find a problem with that. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.680 I have a problem with that both ways. But I 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.960 have to say when I look at seventy year old 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.080 men bullying like Greta Threnburger's nineteen or something, because oh god, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.600 she cares about the planet. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:49.760 She cares about our generation. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.840 I've kind of twisted this round from admiring my dad's 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.240 now going that generation needs to fuck off. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.840 Some of that generation, you know what I mean. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.080 And it's like I think, I mean, I can that 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.720 are somewhere in the middle, basically like and our generation 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.920 has responsibilities on both sides as well. But what has 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.520 been interesting is basically the Internet came along and supplied 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:14.080 us all with every piece of information that has ever existed, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.480 and I think there was maybe I may may or 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.240 may not be right about this. This is just maybe 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.640 to personal observation, but previously, like there was a very 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.920 kind of defined like hierarchy within generations where it was 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.000 always felt that the generations above you had a greater 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:33.600 store of information and wisdom and experience, which they still do. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.320 But if you're part of the younger generation, you've been 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.480 used to having all of this stuff at your fingertips immediately, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.480 and so you feel you've got access and so basically 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.120 somewhere in the middle, there's become this clash of being like, hey, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.880 we've got all this lived experience, and just because you've 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.240 got all of this information at your fingertips and vice versa. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.960 Yeah, it's true friction, It's true, you've nieled it absolutely perfect. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 But the thing is that the wisdom that the kids 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.400 have from being able to take the technology for granted, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.600 I think is underrated. You know, kids are coming of 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.560 age just now. They're not impressed by the fact it's 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.200 a shiny thing and all the connectivity. Like they're trying 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.560 to navigate how to make the best out of everything 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.600 that's been invented and brought to the surface in the 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.320 last fifteen twenty years. And I think that's they're a 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.920 lot smarter about it than our generation in a way. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:24.200 It was. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.720 I mean, I'm older than you, Greg, but you know, 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.960 magic generation in ten years younger, we were the ones 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.080 that kind of fucked it up a bit, you know. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.480 We were the ones that were straight away like dick pics, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.440 fucking all the worst kind of aspects of what like 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:39.320 how do I get drugs? 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.360 You know, and things like that. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.160 And when I look at my extended family and I've 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.480 got nieces that are like, you know, the oldest ones 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.840 sixteen in the youngest is twelve, and they're they're really 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.080 very very smart about it all. They know what it is, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.360 they know what level it's operating on, whereas I think 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.160 our generation is certainly olded, we. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.920 Take it so so so seriously. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.080 Or I certainly do, and actually that's not that's not 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.560 the way it's intended. It's another outlet. It's it's not 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.880 everything yet you are, you know, And I think that's 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:17.119 what kids they're just learning how to master, master what's 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.800 been invented, and whereas we're still trying to kind of 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.600 understand what's been invented. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.240 Do you see them sort of moderating the influence that 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.640 it has on y day today? Which is the one 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.439 thing that I'd say that we and then again I'm 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.360 using an absolute debt people of some people of our 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:36.480 generation and above and all generations really haven't potentially recognized 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.640 or mastered is this fact that this maybe this thing 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.960 has become very all consuming and controlling, and it's affected 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.359 our behaviors in certain in ways. And it would be 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.800 great to think that the next generation recognize a lot 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.160 of these things what they are, which are fantastic, almost 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.399 limitlessly seen as limitless. Yeah, but they recognize that, and 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.480 they can they can put their phone down, or they 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.880 can live offline, or they can recognize basically the balance 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:03.800 between nice things. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.959 Yeah, and they'll have been able to see. Also there 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.199 are were more of the negative aspects of it, whereas 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.160 we've just you know, I mean I I was twenty 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.359