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Speaker 1: Yes, have No Fear of the Iron.

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Speaker 2: Rapaport Stereo podcast is here on today's I Am Rapaport

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Speaker 2: Stereo podcast. One of my favorite boxers of all time

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Speaker 2: from Philadelphi, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Crazy life, crazy story, charismatic, great storyteller,

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Speaker 2: great shit talker, great perspective on the world, great perspective

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Speaker 2: on being one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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Speaker 1: Be hop the Alien.

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Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins is my guest on today's I Am Rapaport

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Speaker 2: Stereo podcast. This is a two parter because it's so

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Speaker 2: much to just so much shit talking, so many great

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Speaker 2: stories about Just trust me Bernard Hopkins. Museum quality Championship

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Speaker 2: podcasting with the Great Bernard Hopkins. Coming up right now,

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Speaker 2: Miles Jordan Ak The Bleach Brothers aka the Dust brother

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Speaker 2: Start this puppy off something real nice. Start this puppy

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Speaker 2: off it something real nice, but most important, start this

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Speaker 2: puppy off with something real funky.

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Speaker 1: This is the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast. B hop

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Speaker 1: the Executioner, the Alien.

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Speaker 2: Unified the middleweight division, one of the greatest fighters of

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Speaker 2: all time, one of the greatest middleweight boxers of all time,

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Speaker 2: Philly's finest on the iron wrap Port stereo podcast looking fantastic.

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Speaker 1: But listen, ducking pays off. I mean you have to.

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Speaker 1: You have to pay.

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Speaker 3: It pays off man and and of course you know

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Speaker 3: taking care of yourself in between those those victories and defeats,

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Speaker 3: and you must be conscious of that to be successful

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Speaker 3: long term twenty eight years, almost three decades, and again

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Speaker 3: twenty eight years starting eighty eight, nineteen eighty eight, fresh out,

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Speaker 3: fresh out of penitentiary.

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Speaker 1: See you're gonna get me. I'm not gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get We're gonna jump around. We're gonna jump around.

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Speaker 3: I started twenty five a is pro, but I started

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Speaker 3: boxing through a generation of mother and father, brothers, uncles

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Speaker 3: on each side of defense, basically your parents. I started

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Speaker 3: boxing like seventy eight years old, Golden Gloves, aau coming

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Speaker 3: to New York on an Ohio State Fair.

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Speaker 1: That was the big thing. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: There's no way I'm gonna be able to take on

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Speaker 2: the life in times of Bernard Hopkins. In one podcast,

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Speaker 2: so like said, I'm gonna jump around, We're gonna move,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna roll a shoulder, We're gonna throw a jab,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna duck I'm gonna throw this. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: like that, correct, because I can't get the life and

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Speaker 2: times you were telling me before we started. Your daughter

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Speaker 2: just graduated college.

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Speaker 1: Pace University.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I didn't want to blow you up Pace University,

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Speaker 2: which I would be so proud of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am, I am.

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Speaker 3: It's not only a great thing for her, but it's

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Speaker 3: a great thing for the legacy that I'm building and

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Speaker 3: I've built now, and this is to pass the baton

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Speaker 3: through the family and be the first one in the

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Speaker 3: family to be able to establish going into generations whether

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Speaker 3: I'm here or not, to enjoy it started here with

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Speaker 2: In your darkest hours before fighting, you mentioned being in prison.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people know your story. I want to,

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Speaker 2: you know, get into it somewhat, But like I said,

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Speaker 2: I can't take on your whole life because even though

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Speaker 1: Six years hold thirty four ish, you feel thirty four ish?

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Speaker 1: How old you now? I'll be fifty nine January fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: Can't do an entire Bernard Hopkins life in Times in

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Speaker 2: one podcast. In your darkest hours of your life, the

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Speaker 2: darkest times darkest months years of your life. Did you

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Speaker 2: ever imagine you'd say, my daughter just graduated Pace University.

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Speaker 1: No? Why not?

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Speaker 3: Because I didn't think I was going to be actually alive,

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Speaker 3: let alone successful, until I went through certain stages of

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Speaker 3: became a habit. It became really a good habit for me,

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Speaker 3: not only in my personal life, making the right decisions

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Speaker 3: to not go back and repeat.

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Speaker 1: Or validate a parole.

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Speaker 3: I use that as as a voice in my ear

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Speaker 3: saying you can't, and I'm gonna show I can.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna show the world I can.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are and certainly fascinated by it. When you were fighting,

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Speaker 2: you always stayed in shape, You never got too far

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Speaker 2: and prove taking care of yourself. Some say you live

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Speaker 2: a monk's life existence. I don't know if it's the

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Speaker 3: You know when you're training four pounds over my fighting weight,

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Speaker 3: I'm right on weight. I'm right on weight. If it

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Speaker 1: Like I said, two and a half of that four

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Speaker 3: And that's good, living good, eating good jeans is a lifestyle,

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Speaker 3: is everything. It's all the ingredients you just said for

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Speaker 3: success in my world. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're always chill, You're always calm.

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Speaker 2: You were at the Gervanti Ryan Garcia, he popped off to.

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Speaker 1: You, I've always seen you as chill.

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Speaker 2: You've you've even in the ring, your your persona, your history,

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Speaker 3: You know, he's from Philly, this was his history. But

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Speaker 3: you've always you're always in control and that is a

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Speaker 2: No? So who was the guy and what was the

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Speaker 2: self discipline, controlling your emotions, controlling your actions, and really

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Speaker 2: it's controlling the emotions which will dictate the actions and

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Speaker 2: so for and so on. So when you were at

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Speaker 2: What was your deal when you were you know, to

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Speaker 3: Into aggressive very aggressive with no thought behind it. I'll

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Speaker 3: and it might be justified. But the way you did it,

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Speaker 1: So I learned to Actually it took a while.

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Speaker 3: I learned through time and situations that I have to

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Speaker 1: You still have that.

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Speaker 3: I still have that, but I picked those battles different

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Speaker 1: A because lawyer is expensive.

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Speaker 3: It's very expensive for everything, and then anything and then

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Speaker 3: second a lot of things. You just can't It won't

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Speaker 3: So I learned how through years that wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: the fight with Davis.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people see what's in you.

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Speaker 3: They might not ever tell you that, even in your opponent,

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Speaker 3: but while I'm chilling, I'm cool.

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Speaker 1: I let them think about what they see, what they see.

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Speaker 3: I might not know that until I ask them, but

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Speaker 1: Moment. That moment.

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Speaker 3: That moment was a stair down moment. We on D

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Speaker 3: block right now, and Ryan are staring down. We on

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Speaker 3: It's been brillant already two days ago, three days ago,

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Speaker 3: four days ago. Right, you see my demeaning right now,

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Speaker 3: They looking at me on the stair down. We're in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the ring. Refies that come come and

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Speaker 3: they give us the last rules, which I call the

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Speaker 3: last right before we fight. I'm looking through them. They're

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Speaker 3: They body language, the nonverbals, the way they look. And

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Speaker 3: i'ma he gonna lay down once the bell ring, right, No,

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Speaker 3: you put that work ethics behind that makes you even

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Speaker 2: But when Javante turned around and popped off for you

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Speaker 3: This is a kid that I understood why he was

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Speaker 3: doing that. Why was he doing that? Because I'm fighting you,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Garcia, which I my team is fighting you.

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Speaker 1: Also there's Golden.

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Speaker 3: Boy Promotion and there's PBC right right, yes, right, that

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Speaker 1: So you have that energy going around. You have that

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Speaker 3: It's been crazy, like all week lean up to that fight,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't they try.

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Speaker 3: To have a seat for me at the table, So

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Speaker 1: No fight would have happened.

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Speaker 3: Everybody got sued or something that happened, and they couldn't

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Speaker 3: doing all kinds of shannigas. Now this ain't calling something

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Speaker 3: that I wouldn't do myself. It's all mind games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I.

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Speaker 3: Know how I got to VOT so I understood it.

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Speaker 3: The presence of power is not always money. That's your

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Speaker 3: I've been and consistent, which most people are not, there

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Speaker 3: wasn't too much worried about Oscar, right. It's not that

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Speaker 1: It's just as a position.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's like he's going to come in and

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Speaker 3: Bernald's going to get the man respect and not asked

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to walk around like Deebo like

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to walk around and try to But

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Speaker 3: when I see that's trying to be you know, injected

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Speaker 3: to me or at least presented to me, I had to.

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Speaker 2: That was calculated, very smart, very right. We didn't know

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to make it clear you don't know

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Speaker 3: But that there, that moment, that moment of history here

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm not done yet.

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Speaker 3: Now I go up and fight Tarvor at light heavyweight,

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Speaker 3: give me Tarvor.

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Speaker 1: I'm going up to one seventy five.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, but now you're going up from sixty

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Speaker 1: Done in boxing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ray Robinson, they said, didn't achieve it, but he

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Speaker 3: Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Do you miss physically having that challenge, having that something

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Speaker 1: Do you do you miss all that?

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Speaker 3: Only thing that's cut out of all that is I'm

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Speaker 3: my lifestyle, my lifestyle has been through boxing. My lifestyle

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Speaker 3: has been what eat to live, not to die? And

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Speaker 3: you live, which you represent. When you do for self

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Speaker 3: But the lifestyle on top of that, the way I live,

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Speaker 3: That the Beaties, you would to just lists long to

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty eight was the time I came home. It

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Speaker 1: My first fight was in eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: Right, I lost it, said it was cool, but I

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Speaker 1: We don't have enough time to go here and here

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Speaker 3: I am a testimony of not only doing for self,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to unpack from what you just said.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you said eat to live, eat to live

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Speaker 2: and not to die. So are you on some vegan

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Speaker 2: shit like what you were?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was vegan right before COVID. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: then why'd you stop because it became hard to be vegan? No?

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Speaker 3: Why the nutrients I wasn't getting and the supplements because

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Speaker 1: Nigga say, oh, you know, I'm a professional.

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Speaker 3: And everybody's gonna but hold he could have do just

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Speaker 1: In a lot. What's your cardio game? My cardio game

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Speaker 1: is is rope jumping rope?

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Speaker 2: Also stop, hold on, hold on? Are we doing rounds?

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Speaker 2: Are we doing twenty minutes?

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Speaker 3: We do?

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Speaker 1: Minutes? We're doing how many minutes we do? Minutes? Half

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to me. You could jump rope for a

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00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: half an hour street Yeah, god damn it.

443
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking crossing, hold on yards having fun. We dancing.

444
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: We call it dancing because when you jumping rope, you

445
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: jumping rope. Look it got boring. This is yeah, it

446
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 3: could be I can't do that the jump rope. We

447
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: jump rope like we dance. Or I was taught to

448
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: jump rope like I'm dancing, right, I jump rope to

449
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: be funny I'm looking at nobody's in this situation.

450
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm not dancing for a media crowd with the you

451
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: know fight.

452
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: Come in, they watching it at the gym and you

453
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: jumping and you you're showing off a little, be having fun.

454
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: To do that when nobody's in the room.

455
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: Do that when you working out at home in the basement, right,

456
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 3: do that when you had some gym whatever working out

457
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: and they got a rope. Right, this is the cardio

458
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: where I ain't got to run outside for five or

459
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 3: six miles. Long as that got that heart rate up,

460
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: long as I'm on that bike. I love bike riding right,

461
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 3: not inside.

462
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I hate that.

463
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 3: Man.

464
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: Now I need to move, gotta go somewhere. What's some

465
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: Newsy I'm exerbed.

466
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: I want to look at stuff I want to I'm

467
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: on so I fully got a lot of bike trails,

468
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: just like New York. I get on that bike, I

469
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: might I don't even know. It's like two hours you

470
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: out there, four hours, you stop making coffee, you might

471
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: see somebody wrong, and next thing you know, you know,

472
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: on the other side of West Philly, right, starting from

473
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: North Philly.

474
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: You just broke my heart, though, Bernard, when you said

475
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: the thirty minute jump rope because I'm on some three

476
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 2: round ship and you probably don't remember this, nor should you.

477
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: I had the honor of watching Bernard Hopkins workout, get

478
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: in the jar at the wild card boxing.

479
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: The car and the wild card, and it was sir

480
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: Freddy Roach, the beauty, great Freddy Roach, the movement.

481
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and now you tell me because I'm like,

482
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'll tell my wife, Bernard, Babe, I did

483
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: three rounds of three minutes each, and now I have to.

484
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: Have you banging your chest. I just three No, I'm

485
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: not fair, I'm not just bad. I'm on internet, you

486
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: fucking sucker.

487
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: I just did three minutes, three minutes each, and now

488
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: you're telling me at.

489
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: How was seventy six? I'm getting close to it. You're

490
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: doing thirty minutes of jumping rope.

491
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when the alien came in. That's when the

492
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: second car that came in. See the executioner, then the alien.

493
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: Why the alien? The media kept asking me over and

494
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: over a fight at the fight. At the fight, these

495
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: guys are twenty five years old, top contender, some champions

496
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: at that time.

497
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm in my forties.

498
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: Why are you doing I because I'm an alien. So

499
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: I came over with another brand. I told my attorney,

500
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: I said, Eric, I said, listen, you expandon, I said,

501
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: I want to use that alien.

502
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: I started getting these hot halloweens around the corner. At

503
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: that time. I told my.

504
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Guys, I said, look, I'm gonna pay you extra, I said,

505
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: And I got pictures. I got content of this stuff.

506
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Because I collected everything. I kept everything known this moment

507
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: one day was going to come. I got these green

508
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: masks kneeling.

509
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: You've seen it.

510
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: Look the eyes slanted up like like an alien, which

511
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: it is. And I said, this is what we're going

512
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: to do, because I'm you know what this here, And

513
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: it's not only in sports. This here the mind, the brain,

514
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: this control, not their harm, it's not there.

515
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This here, not the mouth.

516
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: You can get you in trouble, and it might bluff

517
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: a lot of people, right, but this here, this mine

518
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: right here right, And the mind in general, if it's

519
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: used right, and it's understood and trained right, and you

520
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: realize what you have, no matter what happens, no matter

521
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: what they do, you ain't gonna surrender to it. You

522
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: look experienced, like you understand the movie business. To any

523
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: business or that you're dealing with where you gotta have

524
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: this even if the weight out and be patient, and

525
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 3: that's what I've done in my career. Then we start

526
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: getting big pay days untilbody what mid thirties.

527
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: You know, when it was correct and Tito and then

528
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Oscar and then it.

529
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: Was it was over there because I promoted and manage

530
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: myself to our team up with Oscar.

531
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: If you didn't wave that flag with Tito, our done you.

532
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: Might have just had you'd been one of those guys,

533
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: you'd have been like a fighters fighter.

534
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: It's okay, is extremely blue collar. He's great, but he's great.

535
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: We don't know Joe Schmo doesn't know exactly, and that

536
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: would have been in that thing. So I had to create,

537
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: of course, controversy. I had to say things, do things

538
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: to get their attention. I was attention seeker, right like so,

539
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: but not by your fighting style, not by my fighting style,

540
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: because I had to beat that and keep that tension

541
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: seeker in the back of your head. I had to

542
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: do that because the lack of respect with belts right,

543
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: and I had title defenses under these belts.

544
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: Tito was coming to get my title.

545
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: Don King had the two other pieces, William Joppy, Keith

546
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: Holmes right, he didn't have me.

547
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: Did you have any comings and goings with Don King

548
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: in terms of business dealings with him?

549
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Most promotives? If not?

550
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: Don is the first one Federal court three times you

551
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: went to federal court. Yeah, undefeated three and oh you're

552
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: three and o federal courts three and oh wow? See

553
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: do you do contracts right? And I got all. I

554
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: paid for all the depositions, so I kept them right

555
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: for listen and again I got so much content that

556
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: I kept. Anybody that's in and it can save me

557
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: pitching it. And I'm just saying to you, anybody that's

558
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: in the storytelling business, then you're not in the business

559
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: of what I want to do.

560
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: What what do you mean?

561
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna flip the storytelling business into a life

562
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: of Bernard Hopkins.

563
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: It won't a story, it was a fact. It was real.

564
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: And when I look at these depositions, thanks to my

565
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: assistant Joy Tate and my sister Marcian, they've been helping

566
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: me in these two rooms in Delaware that literally I

567
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: got plastic bends of audio tape VCRRD tape still interviews

568
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: on radio shows in Philadelphia, New York, depositions of this, that, this, this,

569
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: that fighting just do what to say. It might have

570
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: happened to the other guys back in the seventies, eighties, seventies.

571
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: And in the nineties.

572
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: But if it's a million dollars here and I'm getting

573
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand, I want to know where all the

574
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: money's at.

575
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Right, And I didn't know.

576
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't advanced like I am now, But I had

577
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: enough sense to know that if it's a million dollars

578
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: and my tax is an't even paid yet, see we

579
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: didn't get into that, damn, then you have to understand

580
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: that everything came being right off of for expenses. We

581
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: know that old trick. I didn't know that back then, Right,

582
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: you can expense everything three hundred thousand dollars. You're gonna

583
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: expense three hundred thousand dollars out on clothes, foods, everything,

584
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: to say the justification of why you didn't get this,

585
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: But I understood that I had to learn the business

586
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: real fast, real fast.

587
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: You know why why it's gonna be broke as correct.

588
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: And another thing is when in case you didn't know,

589
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: and I'm glad we're saying, I'm saying this now because

590
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: people be able to go research, because I like to

591
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: do this. I like to say, look at that and

592
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: then ask you questions. But I can you know, we

593
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: ain't the time right now. The reason I'm the only

594
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: one of the only fighters me George Foreman first and

595
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: then Bernard Hopkins. They received Manager of the Year from

596
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: a Boxing Associations. Every year we have a sort of

597
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: like a boxing Grammy. They're gonna have one this year

598
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: in New York City. Every year they heaven the Tavern

599
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: at the tavern.

600
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh, in the in the in the park. Come on,

601
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: many get my slow walks in.

602
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: I know you do very slows out there, I said,

603
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: after the dog was in front of you, about nine

604
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: feet in front of you.

605
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is madness.

606
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be leased in front of the dog,

607
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: not the dog in back. And you you have to

608
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: understand cardio. Cardio is supposed to move real quick, right,

609
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: not not the turtle snail move.

610
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: You have to you have to move over. When you

611
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: show me in Miami, I was sweating, you were sweating.

612
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I was out there, I'm rolling the shoulder, I'm doing.

613
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: And and and I'm glad you said that because if

614
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: you if you was out there and you see me,

615
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: I had to see you, and you see what I

616
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: was doing.

617
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: Consistency. No, you can give me this.

618
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: You can give me that I had the shirt off

619
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: and everything. I didn't see your shirt off because I

620
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: did that.

621
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: Once I cleared the beach, they tried to arrest me

622
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: for Indeed.

623
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: They said it's indecent exposure. Correct.

624
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: I believe that he didn't have a shirt off. Matter

625
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: of fact, I don't know if it was a turtleneck,

626
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: but it was hot. I know you didn't have no

627
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: turtleneck on, but it was had a lot of clothes

628
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: on and you and you was just walking and we

629
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: we we lined up.

630
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: On each other.

631
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 3: We ain't say nothing, you look, everything just stopped and

632
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: we looked. We look, we look, we look.

633
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: And then I switched stamps.

634
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: So we didn't know if he was going to go

635
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: Sooth Paul or Orthodox exactly.

636
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: And you saw that skill set in me, Bernard, and

637
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: you recognize it and you paused for a second, like

638
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: when you saw me switch from Orthodox to south Port.

639
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: You were like, oh shit, rapaport, he can you know?

640
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: And your stance was good. See, you didn't do that

641
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: and keep your feet straight across the balance you had

642
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: that you had that thing like you Fencon had the

643
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: right foot in the back or the left rather than Paul.

644
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Dude, right, I'm all screwed up. I'm all screwed up because.

645
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: Right hand left, Hope south, pauls you can't get away

646
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: from this and I can't get away from that left

647
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: who get there first?

648
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: And then it becomes probably a boring fight.

649
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Yes, let me ask you a question because the business

650
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: of you know, I'm such a fan of boxing.

651
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm fifty three years old.

652
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Boxing was a staple mean stream sport growing up, as

653
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: you know obviously you know the fights, Watching the fights

654
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: and then going to the paper review fights was such

655
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: a part of my life. And you know, to see

656
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: the sport change evolved. To see guys that I know

657
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: are great fighters but can't even pronounce their names, you know,

658
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean no disrespect. It's just like you know,

659
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: whether it was Mike Tyson, Muhammad, Ali, Ernie Shavers, Ken

660
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: Norton down to Iran Barkley, Ray Boom boom Man, seen

661
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: these Sugar Ray, all of them, Aaron, all of them.

662
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, these generations, the generations scooz No.

663
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: But the sport of boxing, you know, it competes with

664
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: M M a UFC.

665
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: And I love M M a UFC. I love I've

666
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: supported too.

667
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: I know a lot of guys in Philipia that you

668
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: know n Florida, who who you know into you know

669
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: that that type of sport, I don't knock it. We

670
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: got to step by game up. That's what we got, Listen.

671
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: We gotta step by game up, steadically complaining about the

672
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: bullshit and all this and all that. At the end

673
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: of the day, Dana White is doing with Dana White

674
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: due right, that's his business. But and I don't say

675
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: that negative of positive. I just say that he's a promoter.

676
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: When you look at the thing he started and build

677
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: that to a want to see around the world. Sport

678
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: boxing took a b hit because of the UFC. Would

679
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: you agree now, of our fans, how do we get

680
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: that back? How you made those Tang Davis and Ryan

681
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 3: Garcia fight?

682
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: You made the fights with Canelo. He's fighting Charlo.

683
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: Right, people look at this two big names, but it

684
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: also has to be the best fighting the best. What

685
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: we came up on in the eighty era, Ray Leonard

686
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: fort Tommy Hearns Hagler Duran like, we have to put

687
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: the best against the best. How do that happen? Or

688
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: why do that not happen? Because you have no you

689
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 3: have everybody to blame, Golden Boy, this promoter, that promoter,

690
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: that promoter. If you're in a promoted business, it's easier

691
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: for me to say, hey, it's their business.

692
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Thety now they don't want they fight as the fighters

693
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: because they're gonna win. You expect that.

694
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: I've said this many times before. Openly it starts with everybody,

695
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: including us Golden Boy, Oscar agree with it. They gonna

696
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: hear this, and they're gonna listen to it because they

697
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: know I'm talking about it. That's the only way we're

698
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: gonna get their integrity and respect back, or at least

699
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: to the point of this error where people know that

700
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: we are the most sought out, the most seen sport

701
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: out of the three sports in the world on the

702
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: nation right now, and then soccer ain't gonna help us.

703
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: That's just a different animal. I was at the game

704
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: see MESSI in Philadelphia. I'm looking at the crowd, got'm

705
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: a lot of love, but I'm also looking at how

706
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: the sport that I love. That was part of what

707
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: got me at this table, sitting here talking you alive

708
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: and well.

709
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: Right right, boxing, we passed Harvard coming here.

710
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 3: I guarantee you ain't no student out of Harvard.

711
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: I want to sign up and be a professional boxer.

712
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: Boxing it's embedded in certing cultures in certain areas where

713
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: if it wasn't a lot of fighters you might watch admire,

714
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: like even love, they had to basically be good at

715
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: something else, just like they was good at that, they

716
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: just didn't reach their top of the line.

717
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: And that's what boxing gave me.

718
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: That's what boxing gives a lot of other fighters that's

719
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: coming up now. Look, you follow me on Instagram, I

720
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: follow you. I got kids on Instagram, a lot of them.

721
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: I know a lot of them I don't know. And

722
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: they got their hands up and I'd be like, you know,

723
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: that's that's good.

724
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: Fixed this, that's good.

725
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 3: And they look at us as people that they can

726
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: follow behind, and I just want to let them know

727
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: that that chance is there. If boxing is there, boxing

728
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: is not there, We're talking a whole new different things.

729
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: So I'm glad it was there for me.

730
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: Podcast.

731
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: If you were and you are one of the people

732
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: in control. But you can only control your business. You

733
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: can only control your say in Golden Boy. But if

734
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins was in control of all of boxing, just you,

735
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: what would you do? What would be a few things

736
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: you would insist that would make happen to build the

737
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: sport back to what it used to be and what

738
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: it should be.

739
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: They one day one regulation. It has to be explain

740
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: the regulation will be. It has to be regulated where

741
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: it be a bigger power than the powers that govern

742
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: themselves in boxing right now, the people that govern themselves

743
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 3: is the same people that can go against their own

744
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: rules that they make. So basically, you got the fox

745
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: watching the chicken and thinking, as they're going to be there.

746
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: When you get there, and if the fox in the chicken,

747
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, WBA, WBC.

748
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: Could you make it like the whole boxing section NBA,

749
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: NFL need we need regulations, you need a union after that,

750
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: you need to have boxing. Boxing right now has always

751
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: been in business, even though we're in twenty twenty three.

752
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 3: A red light district, a red light district in any

753
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: the red light district because that is corrupt. Corrupt is

754
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: of course it is, and it's corrupt in the way

755
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: of what.

756
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it's corrupt. It's not corrupt.

757
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: Where the old mob days, somebody come in, they got

758
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: an envelope, they got there's none of that going on.

759
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: It's corrupt by association. I say that again, it's corrupt

760
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: by association. It's corrupt when I know who your fighter

761
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: is with, you know who my fighter is with.

762
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: But who got the stronger tides with that?

763
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: Particular people which they are could be sanction embodies, So

764
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: it could be the government of a sinction embody, it

765
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: could be somebody's power in that sainction nobodies.

766
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: And when WBO, let me run them.

767
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Down, WBC, WBA, IBF, and a WBO. Those are the four.

768
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: They are the four strongest in order that I just

769
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: gave you. If you have a relationship with any of

770
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: those sanctioning bodies that is not professional on the lines

771
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: of the boxing rules that they set, you will find

772
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: out sooner than later that you ain't the pretty face

773
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: in the building.

774
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter how talented you are, doesn't make how talent

775
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: and how actually pretty you are.

776
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: You're just seeing that decisions a couple of months ago,

777
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: where people are still rolling about where you sitting there

778
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: as a fan and you were sitting there as a judge.

779
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: How did you not see the other judge? You got

780
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: three at the table? What fight was you watch? Well?

781
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: What the fuck are we gonna do about this? But

782
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 3: now you understand what I'm saying.

783
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: But what the fuck are we gonna do about this?

784
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: You know, because I'm speaking in the UFC where it's like,

785
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: come on, man, we're not fucking So hold up.

786
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: I got a solution.

787
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: What is it?

788
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: And I ain't had to go to Harvard to come

789
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: up with this.

790
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: That's why when you say corrupt, because that's I'm not

791
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: the smartest person in the well. Put it this way,

792
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm not the dumbest in the world. I'm not the

793
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: smartest in the world. So how can I have this

794
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: solution right away? I'm gonna give it to you.

795
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: First.

796
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: You start with open scoring, which means that every time

797
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: the bell rings for the next round, way before that

798
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: next round comes, you know who won the first round?

799
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: Period? Doord is know who won the first round? Stop?

800
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: Oh no, wait, But before you go to that, I

801
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: want to answer this me and you have one round.

802
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: The first round, we come out. I pepper you up,

803
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: I pepper you up. What is the scoring of boxing?

804
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: How does it work? The ten eight seven nine? What

805
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: the fuck is this shit? The three judges three, it's ridiculous.

806
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: Three judges that's at the ring? How can here here?

807
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: They're sitting there watching. Hopefully they ain't distracted, they ain't.

808
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Looking at nobody. They could see everything.

809
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: Hopefully nobody's calling a Diane or whatever they call.

810
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing?

811
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: They throwing punches? But this ing fast punching fast punches.

812
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: Now you're relying on their.

813
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: Vision, re relying on their experience, re relying on no.

814
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: Technology in twenty twenty three, which I think is stupid boxing.

815
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: Listen, boxing is still in the fifties, even though the

816
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: money has changed.

817
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Correct.

818
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: So now we're talking about three judges sitting in the ringside.

819
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 3: They all got scoring that doesn't match what we all seen.

820
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: That's a big, big cancer, huge on boxing.

821
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: Number one, that's number one.

822
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: That gotta be. They gotta be from the gate. Then

823
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: second we get a second one because this is very important.

824
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: You know how those guys they get in boxing, they say, hey,

825
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, but you know I heard Don Kenny won

826
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: beat up on Don King died, and I'm not a

827
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: crusader or a fan of don king. But there's a

828
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: lot of don kings out there today, all right. They

829
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: just don't they just don't have their hair and all

830
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: that stuff. But they did a lot of don king thinking.

831
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: I said that way, that's a better way. A lot

832
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 3: of don king thinking, guys. But guess what the Mohammed

833
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: Ali Act, that's law today.

834
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: My blood is on that. Explain it, look, look it up.

835
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: It is there. I went.

836
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: I was invited to New York City here by sending

837
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: the McCain, the great late Grinson and McCain and Elli

838
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: Spitzer fifteen plus years ago to speak in front of

839
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: all the dignitaries in Manhattan about why it should or

840
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: should not be a law that protect fighters from the

841
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: greedy slobs of boxing.

842
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: And I had.

843
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: To speak in front of all them, which I did eloquently.

844
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: The other fighters there, all promoters, all managers, and less

845
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: fighters told Oscar Oscar, wasn't there, boy Jones? These were

846
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: the premier guys, Olympic guys that they voice and again

847
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: we listen they we haven't straight talk. Voy wasn't there

848
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: any other fight? James Tony wasn't there? All the great

849
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: fighters in my era, I didn't see nobody there. But

850
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: I was always the black sheep in boxing. I was

851
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: always going against the grain of boxing. And that's why

852
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: the big paydays ain't coming til my late thirties. After

853
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: Tito I was thirty five and off for Tito. Damn

854
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: I was old. Then they were saying, he old, Tito's undefeated,

855
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: He's gonna beat him. Just beat Oscar for that Spit

856
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: decision whatever Oscar in the fight. So boxing has to

857
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: go to When the Senate hearings was held by Senner

858
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: McCain again and Ellis Spitzer, why Bernard tell all the

859
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: dignitaries why this.

860
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: Should be low because we negotiate in the dark.

861
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: What do you mean, well in boxing, I don't know

862
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: if the business that you've been into the same wave.

863
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: I doubt it.

864
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: The promoter go gets a license fee from the network.

865
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: The promoters today don't have to hustle like the promoters yesterday.

866
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: What I mean is.

867
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: That the promoters today they got major resources than thirty

868
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: years ago or twenty years ago, when they had to

869
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: go out and get sponsorships and get this and get

870
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: that and do the fight.

871
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: Now you got TV. It changed the game. When TV

872
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: came in HBO.

873
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: They need to get back in the race, but they're

874
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: out right now, remember they retire at the forty something years.

875
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: The promoter will go to the network. I got Bernard

876
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: and Oscar de la Hoyer. The networks say great, the

877
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: networks might be them ten million. Then they go to

878
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: uh the casino and they use another casino so they

879
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: can fight.

880
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: You sit back there, WA's to fight.

881
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 3: He's gonna give you fifteen million, ten million, he's gonna

882
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: give you eight. I'll take that. So now it's going

883
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: to be at the MGM Grand So now paying that correct,

884
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: they paying the promote. Everything goes to the promoter. The

885
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: promoter now goes and they negotiate with the main event,

886
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: which is important. You want to get the main event set.

887
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: No main event means the last fight of the night.

888
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Right that.

889
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: Hypothetically, yes, you and Oscar okay fighting we the main event.

890
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: Make a deal with us, right, they make a deal.

891
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: With Oscar or they are handlers whoever I'm promoters are

892
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 3: or managers are right. You know, I didn't have a manager.

893
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: I became self managed when I realized I better be

894
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: or be broke. Yes, I want Manager of the Year.

895
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: The only two fighters in boxing history. That one manager

896
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: of the year, not because I'm that smart of how

897
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: smart people to get their vice boy percent it by

898
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: salary not bour percentage. And I made the choice stay

899
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: focused here finished, so I'm a stay focused.

900
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: Let me go back to that.

901
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: HBO pays the promoter a license fee. Then you have

902
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: a casino wherever that casino at right or stadium, it

903
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: gets another hit, right, so say you got thirty million

904
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: right now, the promoter said about Now, we ain't talking

905
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: about the sponsors yet. We ain't talking about that. There's

906
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: other stuff coming.

907
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: We're not talking.

908
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: About the gate is the guy gate money popcorn? You

909
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: know how big the fighter is him get some of

910
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: the gate, but very few get dogs hot dogs.

911
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about the peanuts.

912
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: Princils, all whole thing, all right now, listen, fucking beer.

913
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: That's still with the big numbers. That's deal with the

914
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: networks and deal with the stadium.

915
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: Those are the chunks. That's the chunk, that's the big hit.

916
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: We ain't talking about the foreign sales in it. We

917
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: ain't talking about when they show it over there in

918
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: another part of the world.

919
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: Lady, that's that's another hit. Scotland or that's another hit.

920
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: That's after the fight so over with a year or

921
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 3: two later and still royalty, He's still coming.

922
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: You've never seen it.

923
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: You didn't butcher Rose Royce, and you're happy thinking you're

924
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: the baddest person in the world.

925
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: But listen this, Listen this, but don Kingsaw. Now you

926
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: know why?

927
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Right, I'm even more dangerous now because I still got

928
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: this is not.

929
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Rattled around up there. But listen to this.

930
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: So now the promoter must do what see what he

931
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: has guaranteed this money? Is there one thing for show.

932
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: All the other stuff is gravy.

933
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: This is here.

934
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: He cut a deal with the star of the main event,

935
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: say Oscar Golden Boys star, right. I know where I am.

936
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: My eagle can tell me this, But Oscar's star, right.

937
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: I was on Jay Lennon on that Monday. I was

938
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: on Jay lenn On that Monday with the belt. So

939
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: that tells you you've done something right. Oscar's getting thirty,

940
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: I got ten, reporter said, or not? How do you

941
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: feel that Oscar's getting thirty and you're getting ten? What

942
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: trying to get me to shoot myself in the foot.

943
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: I don't want this man to get mad and say

944
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: you know I ain't fighting him. I said, well, we're

945
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: talking about I believe Bland, Fernandees and Phillips. And we say,

946
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 3: but how you feel that is getting thirty? You only get,

947
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: I said, when they ten become only? I said ten minutes.

948
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: You know I was on D block about eight years

949
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: nine years ago. Do you understand I have to walk

950
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: off nineties parole and then in the most terrible times

951
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: in urban America, right, and I'm getting ten men, I

952
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: had to hit nobody in their head or or flip

953
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: them up down on the sidewalk.

954
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: That took off, right.

955
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: That statement is out there, so when you look at

956
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 3: the numbers, and that's how that fight happened. But Tito

957
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: was one and Oscar when they aim and the promoters

958
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: get that money from the networks, and they sit there,

959
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: and they get it from other entities, and they sit there.

960
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: They negotiate for themselves first and then they put what

961
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: they would need to put on the table. Now there

962
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: is open disclosures because of the Muhammad Ali Act. You

963
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: have to sign. Every fighter has to own up to

964
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: some responsibility. When I said do for self, you have

965
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: to sign that you looked at the numbers.

966
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Every ever in the United States. I don't know about Mexico.

967
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: I don't know why anywhere else, but every state in

968
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: America has a boxing commission.

969
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Well they have a fight there.

970
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: You have to you're fighting, you have to sign the

971
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: opponent and yourself. You gotta look first, review the papers.

972
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: Hopefully you have to sign off before the fight. The

973
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: next day. You gotta sign off that you seen and

974
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: looked at these numbers, whether you understood them or not,

975
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: you have to sign off. My blood is on that,

976
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: like the kirk Flood of this era, and anybody know

977
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: who kirk Flood is or was? Rather yes, right, every

978
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 3: person that understands who kirk Flood was, he had a

979
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: lot to do with them getting those minions now today?

980
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Right? Would you agree? Absolutely?

981
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: So I consider myself I take that kirk Flood of

982
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: this era and that era I was boxing because I

983
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: was moved by people that was brave when others wasn't.

984
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: Not that it wasn't good people, right, see. Not to

985
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 3: jump off and go somewhere, but I'm telling how my

986
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: mom worked. I put it all together, and you'll see

987
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: I come right back to where I started. Ali Mohammad Ali,

988
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 3: whether we agreed to disagree, Mohammed Ali, especially way back then,

989
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: stood up and said, their Khan never called, And you

990
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: want me to go and do these things, and I

991
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: can't even go in a coffee shop because I'm black. Right,

992
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: What the what are we talking about? What are you

993
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: talking about? And these are the things that I believe

994
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people would love and want to say it,

995
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: but they just ain't got it in them.

996
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: Doesn't make them bad people.

997
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: I evolved to know that they're not bad people because

998
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: they're not like me. I know I'm different and I've

999
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: been consistent being different, and that's when they know that

1000
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 3: you're not a fraud says a lot of frauding going

1001
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: on right in all walks of the creation of what's

1002
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: going on in life.

1003
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fraud and going on.

1004
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: Is that it's highest peak now way before COVID, but

1005
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 3: COVID took it to another level. You know, I told people,

1006
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: I say, see all these businesses coming up and you

1007
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: don't want to say or not say, but I am

1008
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: conscious what I say, because once.

1009
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: You open your mouth, you tell the world who you are.

1010
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: A lot of these fake business is a lot of

1011
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: fake people that's running around. When this thing gets to

1012
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: level out like it is now with it.

1013
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree.

1014
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: Boom, Thank you so much. Be Hot Bernard Hopkins.

1015
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: That was Part one of the Iron Rappaport Sereo podcast

1016
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: with be Hot Bernard Hopkins, the middleweight champion one of

1017
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 2: the best to ever do it. Stay tuned for Part

1018
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: two coming up on the next Iron Rap Reports Stereo podcast.

1019
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: It's even better if you could imagine that. Yes, it's

1020
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: even better, Miles Jordaneke, the Bleach Brothers. Take me at

1021
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: her with something real nice, Take me at her with

1022
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: something real loup, but most importantly and this Pumpy with

1023
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: something real funky.

1024
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: Two