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Speaker 3: And it's.

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Speaker 2: Black people voting for trump hood politics. Y'all, Okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: But first, it's like this.

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Speaker 3: Bull look.

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Speaker 1: It is like this.

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Speaker 3: Bull look is like this so look, it's like this.

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Speaker 2: Uh, like I wouldn't saw Conclave. It's actually it's clearly

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Speaker 2: a great movie. It's not what I thought it was

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Speaker 2: gonna be. Like I thought it was gonna be some

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Speaker 2: emails and personal or intered company interactions turned into the courts,

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Speaker 3: The problem was.

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Speaker 2: The Redaction didn't keep redacting when it got copied over,

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Speaker 2: which was we're absolutely trying to get y'all kids addicted.

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Speaker 2: We are doing things purposefully to get teenagers addicted. And

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Speaker 2: these little like time warnings about how long you've been

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Speaker 2: We're doing this because we're trying to give y'all kids crack.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's crazy. It's not like every other social

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Speaker 2: media ain't doing this. They just doing it better. They

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Speaker 2: They was like, y'all wasn't supposed to see that. They

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Speaker 2: But since we looking at it, you are absolutely guilty

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Speaker 3: Another News.

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Speaker 2: Final stretch of this wonderfully well balanced and not absolutely

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Speaker 2: bother me is Kamala trying to convince them that she

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Speaker 2: a safe negro. I'm like, stop trying to be safe.

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Speaker 2: But then again, I get it, because how you're gonna

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Speaker 2: one of the Cash twenty two is about being black

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Speaker 2: But that's because we're not running for office. If I

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Speaker 2: and what I mean by that is telling potential Republican

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Speaker 4: Listen, understandable. The calculation is.

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Speaker 4: He like we gonna kill.

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Speaker 2: Him, I'll bring in the militariat if y'all don't do

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Speaker 3: Like it?

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Speaker 4: You? You keep trying to say, this isn't a genocide.

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Speaker 2: It's not hard to note that, like, obviously black people

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Speaker 2: And if that's your attitude, then you need to take

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Speaker 2: So and again, church folk a lot of times be

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Speaker 4: Caw niggas really love Trump.

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll just jump in.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Garrison, thank you so much for pulling

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Speaker 3: It's a real honor, man. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: The like, all right, could we really pull this off?

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Speaker 4: Like, first of all, everybody, you've probably heard all.

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Speaker 2: The intros that we've done already, but I want to

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Speaker 1: I'm I. I've been in conversation. So people may not

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Speaker 2: Respect that because I think too, Like you know, I

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Speaker 3: Debate with you.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying over some something that is

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Speaker 2: which brings me to yeah, man, brings me to two things.

442
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: One to echo your point, my father, My father was

443
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: a black panther.

444
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: So there was in a lot of ways.

445
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: The argument that you know, some make the same argument

446
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: that like before you would say like Clarence Thomas's brain

447
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: got completely cooked. It was like this was the attitude

448
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: to where it's like in my dad in a lot

449
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: of ways, even talking to him now, he's definitely not

450
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: as you know, he's much older now, but you know,

451
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: and he's definitely not as radical as he was. But

452
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: the idea was like this system is is designed to

453
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: destroy us. These people will never love us. So we

454
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: are all we got, you know. So even like he

455
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: we were out here in the La chapter the forty

456
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: fourth of Central like that was that was our area,

457
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: you know. And he was after school tutor, you know

458
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, so he was a part of

459
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: that pro and it was like and he goes, cause

460
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: I can't trust I can't trust the American education system

461
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: to teach my black son the things that he needs

462
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: to know.

463
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: So we are going to do it.

464
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: So and the same thing, it's like even though my grandmother,

465
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: you know, subsisted on assistant living. He was still was

466
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: very much like every dollar they give us is a

467
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: dollar we owe them, Like, you know what I'm saying, Like,

468
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: let's not you.

469
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

470
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: And I think that like a younger version of that,

471
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: which I definitely wanted to ask you about, is like

472
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: the black capitalists, like the jay Z, the Killer Mike

473
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: version of like, oh well, we just need black banks,

474
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: we just need you know what I'm saying, Well, if

475
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: we owned our land, if we own these businesses, if

476
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: we own these things. I think in a lot of ways,

477
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, part of me is like, yeah, you know,

478
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: you're in the ocean, you might as well swim.

479
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: It's like it's a saltwater ocean.

480
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: I have.

481
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: The ocean is capitalism. I don't know what to tell you,

482
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But then there's the other

483
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: part of us that are like, no, the ocean is toxic,

484
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: and U's just like, is there an element of like

485
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: should we just burn the whole thing down? Or like

486
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: you said, like there's an understandable conclusion to say that,

487
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: like these radical views of the sixties dovetail into the

488
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: type of conservatism that you're talking about.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, so I do know what you're saying.

490
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: There's so many things that kind of trigger for me

491
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: throughout that whole thing. I'm working on something that's largely

492
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: built off of the book Locking Up Our Own by

493
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: James Forman Jr. It's a phenomenal book that I highly

494
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: recommend folks who are interested in this stuff get into.

495
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: It's really about black on black policing. It's about the

496
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Speaker 1: way that black people kind of govern at least their

497
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Speaker 1: own communities. I argue in this piece that's coming out

498
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: in a few weeks, so you guys are getting a

499
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: little early, I argue that black people love the police,

500
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: that black people are deeply invested in the police and

501
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: policing structures in a way that may feel a bit counterintuitive.

502
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: I give all of this kind of background, and I

503
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: promise I'm going somewhere with this in that, like what

504
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about with your dad, my dad was also

505
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: a black panther, or at least in gay Black panther

506
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: party in Atlanta.

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: So this was, you know, many years ago.

508
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, but one thing that comes out of this

509
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: this black this pro black black panther movement, is this

510
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: idea of being tough on crime so before Reagan gets

511
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: tough on crime, and and and beyond, before these folks

512
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: are mixed in, before they're engaged in tough on crime rhetoric,

513
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: the black community was actually deeply invested in back in

514
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: tough on crime rhetoric because they recognized that a crime

515
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: that the person who was pushing some drugs heroin for instance,

516
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: in their community, even if they know, even if we.

517
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: Know it was like a psyop, and the government.

518
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: Was engaged absolutely absolutely, the person who's actually doing the

519
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: distributing is a brother, right, And so they would put

520
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: up these signs. Black Panthers and other pro black movement people,

521
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: especially in DC, will put up these signs and say

522
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: want it brother for crimes against a brother, right. And

523
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: so there's this kind of like like whenever I hear

524
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: a conservative try to talk about black on black crime,

525
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, you are sixty years too late. Like we've

526
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: been talking about black on black crime right for for

527
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: a very long time. I give all of that background

528
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: to say that the problem I find amongst many black

529
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: conservative thinkers, Thomas Soul comes to mind as a person

530
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: who kind of fits this description. They had an idea

531
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: in let's say the late sixties or the seventies about

532
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: how we move forward as a community, and they just

533
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: refused to take in the information and evolve. Let me

534
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: give a little example here, people, black people deeply, like,

535
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: really really deeply supported the nineteen ninety four crime bill.

536
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: We just passed the thirty year anniversary of the nineteen

537
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: ninety four crime bill, which accelerated mass and cars at

538
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: a rate that is actually unfathomable, did unfathomable damage to

539
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: the black community. Was architected by Joe Biden and signed

540
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: into law by Bill Clinton. Right, but over one hundred

541
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: black pastors across the country took out a full page

542
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: ad in the New York Times asking for Congress to

543
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: pass this bill. The Congressional Black Caucus supported the tough

544
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: on crime nineteen ninety.

545
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: Four crime bill.

546
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: They pushed for this country to do the thing that's

547
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: hurt us the most. Now, this is a this is

548
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow, right, But but what we

549
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: can do here, What the Black Lives Matter movement, for example,

550
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: does is actually looks back over time and says, wait, wait, wait,

551
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: they may have intended this to be good. They may

552
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: have intended for this to save Grandma who was putting

553
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: up burglar bars her on her house, or to save

554
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: cousin who was getting engaged with like gang violence and

555
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Right, Like, they may have intended it

556
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: to be a positive thing in our community, but what

557
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: we've loved learned is that it is a negative thing.

558
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: And what I often find is that the folks who

559
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: have been conservative for a long time or becoming conservative,

560
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: they refuse to look back at the way We've tried

561
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: so many things and those things have failed. So when

562
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I hear you talking about and I'm finally landing, man,

563
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: finally landing. When I hear you talking, when I hear

564
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: you talking about black capitalism, I can recognize that black

565
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: capitalism has helped Jay Z become a billionaire, It's helped

566
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: many many others make a bunch of money. It has

567
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: not helped our community. It's helped individuals, but it's not

568
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: helped our community. And that is the value of capitalism.

569
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: Capitalism is inherently valued on the individual success, the individual

570
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like ownership, right, And so I

571
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: don't want to getting you know, I don't have to

572
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: get bogged down. And whether or not we burn down

573
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: the system, I know, that's just kind of a saying.

574
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: I think many people have tried and have failed. What

575
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: I can recognize is that there are policy prescriptions, there

576
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: are ways to move forward that benefit the community. I

577
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: think about Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act, which wasn't explicitly

578
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: about black people. It wasn't on the it wasn't the

579
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: Black Care Act, and yet it lowered black uninsured rates

580
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: from I believe twenty five percent to like ten or

581
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: fifteen percent something like that.

582
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: It lowered it, you know, significantly.

583
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: That means more people who are now on health insurance,

584
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: who can now go to the doctor, who can now

585
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: get preventive care. I think about Joe Biden and Kamala

586
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Harris's Prescription you know plan, where they lowered the cost

587
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: of prescription drugs, particularly around diabetes insulin, to like thirty

588
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: five dollars for seniors. That means that someone's grandmother or

589
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: aunt or uncle can now afford to get life saving medication.

590
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: And while that may go against.

591
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: The values of capitalism, which is like, if there's a

592
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: high demand, run the price up so that you get

593
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: as much as possible off of it, Right, that might

594
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: go against capitalism, I still think that those things are

595
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: valuable without ever having to necessarily destroy the foundations of

596
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: capitalism in this country. So that's how I tell you

597
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: about it, and I hope it's kind of a helpful

598
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: frame for the conversation.

599
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's perfect.

600
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: It's perfect because you know, one of my mentors used

601
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: to say about like a couple of things you talked about,

602
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: like the there's like vertical equality and then there's horizontal equality.

603
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we've had a black president, you know. Yeah,

604
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: you were able to as an individual black person a

605
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: mass millions of dollars. Okay, yeah, vertical, you know, but

606
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: that does not mean horizontally there's this equality. And again

607
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: to your point, like you know, to amass the type

608
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: of wealth that these brothers are talking about requires a working.

609
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: Class, you know.

610
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: So it's like it's it's it's important. You can't get

611
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: there without exploiting the very brothers and sisters that you're

612
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: arguing or you're trying to undergirden support.

613
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: No, I totally agree.

614
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 5: I love it, man.

615
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, which actually leads me to the next thing

616
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: that like there were moments specifically in the video which

617
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Speaker 2: you kind of like in a in a in a

618
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: in a broader way I've already addressed when someone says something.

619
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Speaker 3: That's like.

620
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: It's just this is just not true, you know, where

621
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: like you know it, and there are certain things like okay,

622
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, did was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

623
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: the start of World War One?

624
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: Maybe or maybe.

625
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: It was the situations that led you know, Priss to

626
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: feel like he needs to assassinate. Maybe it started twenty

627
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: years before, and then that's a matter of interpretation. Who

628
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: knows a white mob burnt down Tulsa, like that is

629
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: just what happened, you know herself saying like like I

630
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: just don't, I don't.

631
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: There's this is not up for interpretation. This is just

632
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 4: what happened.

633
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: And I find there's two questions I'm getting to here

634
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: is when discussing things like this that are just.

635
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: False.

636
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: I appreciated the way that you're like, no, we have

637
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: to stop this conversation because whatever point you're about to

638
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: make after this is invalid because it's built on an

639
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: axiom that is just false. You know, like where there

640
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: are certain things like I said that you can interpret.

641
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: You could say, what again, let me do your homework

642
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: for you. You could have said there were laws and

643
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: regulations that might have been removed that allowed for the

644
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: growth of Black Wall Street. You could have argued that,

645
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but to say the destruction

646
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: of it was this It's not a for interpretation, bro.

647
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: It was burnt down by a racist mob, right, so

648
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know what

649
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: to tell you, hoy, Like that's what happened. So I

650
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: think oftentimes when it comes to like you said, like

651
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: the maga folks that like just refuse to acknowledge the obvious,

652
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: like is there, I oftentimes feel like I'm waiting for

653
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: you to wink at me that like you don't really

654
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: you don't really believe this, like this this is a hustle, right,

655
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: like because again what you just said is categorically false,

656
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: like that's even in the white books, even in the

657
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: white school books.

658
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: This is what happened, you know what I'm saying, So

659
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: like this, where did you get this?

660
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: You know?

661
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: But then there's like wait, maybe you do really you

662
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: really think this is and then so like what's your

663
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: read on the like? And obviously this is all like

664
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: anecdotal and speculation, but like, what is your read on

665
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: the like?

666
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: The part of your soul you got.

667
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: To turn into a pretzel and to deny reality to

668
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: where it's like you said, to lead up to the

669
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: point to be like like another moment in the thing

670
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: when you was like, wellhommie was like we believe the strong,

671
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: like the almost like a conservative doctor, Umar, you know

672
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, where it's like, you know, the family,

673
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: the black family unit is the core of our civilization.

674
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: And we were better before the Civil rights movement, cause

675
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: at least we was together, my brother in Christ, like you,

676
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: there's nowhere in the world that you just said that

677
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: right now, you know what I'm saying. So, but about

678
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: the same time, I understand the logic that led to that.

679
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Like my dad went to a segregated all black high school,

680
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: like and he saw black people at every point of

681
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: the social strata.

682
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 4: I did not.

683
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: I did not see that, you know what I'm saying. So,

684
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: like I would say, yeah, I never saw a black principle.

685
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: I didn't have I didn't know any black lawyers. I

686
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: didn't know any of that stuff because I just didn't

687
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: live in a segregated area. You feel me, so to

688
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: your point, yes, however, that was us making treasure out

689
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: of trash bro Like, no, that was in spite of

690
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: the laws, you know what I'm saying. So, like, I

691
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: just my question is like two questions. One, were there

692
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: moments during that time to where you were like, all right,

693
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: fam like this a hustle, right, And then so with

694
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: that when it's like no, maybe it's not a hustle,

695
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: what's your take on Like.

696
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: How how you just ignore.

697
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: History?

698
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: I got to use to explain it, like you're just

699
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: just acting like what happened didn't happen.

700
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: I think one of the things I learned going to

701
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: the RNC, I don't think it's a it's a sea

702
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: that I don't identify with the politics of the Republican

703
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Party of course, but going.

704
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: There I learned a lot.

705
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Man, I learned a lot and I got a lot

706
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: of empathy in the process. I gained a lot of

707
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: empathy being at the r and C this summer, and

708
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: for for starters, their media ecosystem is just totally different

709
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: from mine, right, Like I curate, So I tell people this,

710
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: I have a YouTube I have a YouTube like account

711
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: that's mine.

712
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: That's just me.

713
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: It's what I'm most interested in, and what I click

714
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: just makes sense for me, and then I have one

715
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: that I've specifically curated for right wing content so that

716
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: I can consume some of them, understand what they're what

717
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: they're thinking on that side. And what I learned being

718
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: there is that man like they they have a totally

719
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: different kind of set of facts instead of kind of

720
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: a different reality than that than the one I'm living in.

721
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Right like, the news cycle is different, and the way

722
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: they're interpreting the news that might overlap is totally different.

723
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: And I think some of that seeps in in a

724
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: very genuine way into their understanding of history and economics

725
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: and policy and what's best for the community. I think

726
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: some of that stuff is really actually a part of

727
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I made a video about Prager University.

728
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Prager You has a series of videos on YouTube, and

729
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: they honestly misrepresent history Black history, specifically in ways that

730
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: I think is dangerous, and I call that out. But

731
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: I also have to recognize that someone's watching that and

732
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: they are getting the kids ready, or they're cooking dinner,

733
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: or they're just getting ready for their day, and they're

734
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: kind of uncritically absorbing this stuff, and it really is

735
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: shaping the way they view when they look back in

736
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the past at history and so. On the one hand,

737
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: I want to give a bit of grace to say that, like,

738
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: people are busy and they got a lot stuff going

739
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: on in their lives, and so when someone tells you

740
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: that black people were better off before the Civil Rights

741
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen sixty four, you may uncritically believe it.

742
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: Here to tell you that that's not true, right, Like,

743
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: like I'm here to say that black poverty has been

744
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: falling ever since black people started receiving civil rights protections.

745
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: This is a fact, right, Like, we've closed racial wealth

746
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: gap very very little, but it has been closed a

747
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: little bit post civil rights, and so that's important to

748
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of like get out of the way. On the

749
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: other hand, there's an author. His name is Clay Caine.

750
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: I've been calling his name a lot because he wrote

751
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: a book called The Grift and it's about the downward

752
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: spiral of the Black Republican Party from the Party of

753
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Party of Abraham Lincoln to the Party of Trump. And

754
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: in the he argues, and I don't fully agree with

755
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: his total argument, but I think the history elements of

756
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: what he's talking about is really strong. But he argues

757
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: that the modern black Republican is a grifter. They know

758
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: that if they say the right thing, they kind of

759
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: miss they represent themselves. They protect the white man as

760
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: best as possible from any criticism.

761
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: Then there's a both.

762
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: A pat on the head, a pat on the back,

763
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: and maybe a check on the other side of it.

764
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true of your everyday voter. I

765
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: would never cast that kind of like aspersion on your

766
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: everyday voter.

767
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they have much to gain. They're just

768
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: saying what they really believe.

769
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: But I do think that some of the media people

770
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: understand that if you say that America is in a

771
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: racist country, or if you you know, if you call out,

772
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, black people, or say that the say that

773
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris isn't black, or whatever the case, maybe if

774
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: you do that, if you go along with the Haitians

775
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: are eating cats and dogs thing, there is a reward

776
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: for you playing kind of you know, cover or for

777
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: this game.

778
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: And and I and I don't.

779
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: Have a lot of patience for it, but I have

780
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: been watching it very closely because I think it's a

781
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: it's a dangerous element within within our media ecosystem.

782
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect that's the like, that's the wink.

783
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that I feel like, you know,

784
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: like black men and black men. I'm like, I'm like,

785
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: if anything, I'm like, just let me know that's what

786
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know, because you don't feel me like

787
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: where I'm like, there's anyway you're That's that's a great point.

788
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: You also brought up earlier Thomas Swoll, which I'll be like, man,

789
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: that's day one, you know, that's that's.

790
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: That's day one, you know. And and and.

791
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's like like you said, like any of us

792
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: could drive a truck through the logic that you know.

793
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: And I try to speak with the level of humility

794
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: in the sense that like this this person comes from

795
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: a different generation than either he's way more he's way

796
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: more educated than I am. Like let me just let

797
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: me just be real. You know what I'm saying, he's

798
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: objectively more educated than I am. I'm just saying, you

799
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: know that, like the world you're painting is not the

800
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: world we existent. It's just it's just not you know.

801
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I think too to your point about

802
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: like I have the same I have my like, Okay,

803
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: this is what I consume and this is what I

804
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: am consuming so that I can understand my neighbor, you

805
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like.

806
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 3: So, and but.

807
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: Without coming off like which is again one of the

808
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: problems of like the left is like without coming off

809
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: as an elitist, like I'm trying not to be, but

810
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: just like There's been many times in either of these

811
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: spaces where I've been like, wait, hold up, what'd you

812
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: just say, Like I don't know about that chief, Like

813
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's I don't know if that's what's.

814
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: Happening right here.

815
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: You you feel me like, you know, even to the

816
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: like to your point about policing and my my read

817
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 2: on on you know, black community capital C is we're

818
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: rather transactional and pragmatic, like you know, like we're like

819
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: you said, we're not We're not a progressive community. You

820
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: feel me like, we're not necessarily centrist as a political infrastructure,

821
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but just very transactional, like

822
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: who's gonna who's gonna help us?

823
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: You know?

824
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: And and this idea, like you said, of of the

825
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: grift being a part of like in some senses, feel

826
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm be careful when I say this, but like feels

827
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: almost like within the tradition of being black in America

828
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: is like you have to find a hustle because like

829
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: we you and I have both acknowledged we are the

830
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: bottom of the cast system. They're like, you can't you

831
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: can't just play fair here, you know, because this is

832
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: just what it is. Now, do I agree with that

833
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: or not? Is that in the best interest not only

834
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: of yourself, like I would argue also, which is probably

835
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: the same argument you're making, which is like, not only

836
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: is this a detriment to your community, it's a detriment

837
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: to yourself because like you said, these white people don't

838
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: love you, you know what I'm saying, And they're gonna

839
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: keep pushing you further and further and further away, to

840
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: the point to where again you just become one of

841
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: the one of the Haitians eating cats.

842
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: You will always be that until you are no use

843
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: for us, you know.

844
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: So, so like not only not only you might be

845
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: going for that quick check, but like this is not good.

846
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that right now, you know, so yeah, so,

847
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: like I agree, the average voter.

848
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: Is like the.

849
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: Interview that you said is listening today, pastor like and

850
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: you know, at our churches, you know. Unfortunately, like you know,

851
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: we've been very historically very anti queer, you know what

852
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, We've been very anti abortion, and and so

853
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: that's what I mean, like to your point, like you know,

854
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's a very smaller group of us

855
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: that have like kind of pushed past these like sort

856
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: of convolution of like our faith stances and have like

857
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: pulled pulled the camera back a little bit and been like, oh,

858
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: this is a phyllish slaply project that like you're using

859
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: our views, you know what I'm saying, and speaking about us.

860
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that like really

861
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: evolved in my mind was when I realize, like, man,

862
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 2: y'all talking about this trans community the way you used

863
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: to talk about us, And that made me be like,

864
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: well hold up now, Like I don't again, my antenta

865
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: is like, well, I don't want to sound like y'all

866
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: the way you sound to me when I talk about damn.

867
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: That can't be the way we need to move right,

868
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: Like yeah, So my last thing, yeah, anyway, let me

869
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: let me.

870
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: Get to this last point here was.

871
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: When specifically in this in this in this video, when

872
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: you interviewed, you know, the pastor from Detroit, which I

873
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: think is the example of like the person that's like, bro,

874
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: these are just my values, and I feel like, transactionally speaking,

875
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: this is gonna get our values pushed forward, like I can.

876
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: I could see him truly believing that.

877
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: The thing that gave me pause was when he was like,

878
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: if a friend of mine called and said, I'm a

879
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: man coming in that has thirty six felonies, why would

880
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: I not let him come to my church? My first

881
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: thought was like, you're gonna let him preach, right right?

882
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm not asking you, like if you

883
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: let him come, you let him preach, like to me,

884
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: like you can't possibly not understand how that's different, Like

885
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: you no, you didn't just no, no, no, no, no, you

886
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: let him preach.

887
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: To this point. Like I actually asked him that question.

888
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: It didn't make it into the video because we had

889
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: to cut so much out of the video, but I

890
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: asked him that question, and I said exactly that, as

891
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: like you know, I would as a former pastor, I

892
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: of course come through, like come through.

893
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to hear this, this life saving word.

894
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I wouldn't give him the platform,

895
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: and he made the argument that you know, it wasn't

896
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: on a Sunday and that he didn't stand behind the pulpit,

897
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: but he did stand on stage, and the conversation was

898
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: before his congregation, right, And like, I think there's some

899
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: kind of you know, a little bit of like a

900
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: split in hairs kind of thing happening here that I

901
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I feel like it's worth, you know, making sure his

902
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: perspective is out there, that he didn't feel like he

903
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: gave them the pulpit or let him stand before, you know.

904
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: But but looking at the video, he is on stage, right,

905
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: and like, so so there, I think it's a legitimate question.

906
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: And I would stand by kind of the framing that

907
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: you have that he kind of like basically let him

908
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: stand up there, you know, but he didn't give a

909
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: sermon per se.

910
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: So I want to make sure we're being fair here.

911
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: That said, I I am right there with you, man,

912
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Like I think that that pastor has some value system

913
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: that has led him to the place where he's at, right,

914
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: But I do wonder about effectiveness, you know, Like there's

915
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: a there's a real question that I think many pastors

916
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: have to ask and answer, which is, like what is

917
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: my role in this moment, And I'm not totally sure

918
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: if like inviting someone so uniquely divisive and with the

919
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: history that that person has, and and then yeah, and

920
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: then if I can come back to this idea of

921
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: the thirty four convictions, I probably as Again I've said

922
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: this a few times as a former pastor, if the

923
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: person who is coming into my church or has been

924
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: invited to my church has sexual assault or has been

925
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: criminally liable for rate, if that person's being invited, I

926
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: actually have a few more questions before I say yes.

927
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: I actually have a few more questions. We need to

928
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: figure some out, figure out some boundaries. Who's who is

929
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: at risk in this moment? Am I putting someone who's

930
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: maybe sexually assaulted and this is a hypothetical sexually assault

931
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: to a child? Am I putting that person in a

932
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: position to have access to more children? I'd you know, like,

933
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: if is this a person who does not have control

934
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: over themselves and says that they'll grab people by it?

935
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to go down that road.

936
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: But my point is like, there is a response ability

937
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: beyond the inviting everyone in, and not to make this

938
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: all about that particular pastor I had some questions though

939
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: about about the framing of that issue and whether or

940
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: not even values in mind, if this was the right

941
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: person to to to serve as a vehicle for those values.

942
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like I have I have cousins. I

944
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: don't bring around my children, you.

945
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: Know, like it or like blood related you know that.

946
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, gee, like this is not

947
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: it's not wise. I love you, I'll meet with you,

948
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, But like, am I going

949
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: to bring you around my family?

950
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: Probably not? Probably not, probably not. You know what I'm saying.

951
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to like this is just one of

952
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: those like realities of you know, living in the broken

953
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: system we live in. I think you you you you

954
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: hit the knit head on the nail to nail on

955
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: the head. That's what I'm saying about kind of actually

956
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: going back to like what do we mean by what

957
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: do you mean by felony?

958
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 4: Like what do you mean by crime?

959
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: You know?

960
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: And I think that like this is where having a

961
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: real understanding of what policing and law and criminal justice

962
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: means in America could have because you know, crime is

963
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: crime is also racialized. Crime is also cultural, Like you know.

964
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: Is like if when it's a you know, when it's

965
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: a natural disaster in a white community, you're scavenging. If

966
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: it's in a black community, you're looting. You know, it's

967
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: the same thing. You know what I'm saying, We're doing

968
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: the same thing. I'm just surviving. So you said, I'm

969
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: this is the crime of looting. I'm like, I don't know, bro.

970
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: Like so he got convicted of looting during the Hurricane Katrina.

971
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, bro, that was I don't know.

972
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 3: If that was looting. You know what I'm saying.

973
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: So, like, like you said, having those extra questions and

974
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: but again I GA think back to your to your

975
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: original point. It's it is because we have accepted the

976
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: reality that systemic racism exists.

977
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: Yep.

978
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: So since this is the reality when you walk in

979
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: with with the amount of felonies. I have a friend that

980
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: like was in the back of a car like that

981
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: one to high school with. He's sleep in the back

982
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: after basketball practice while his two friends pulled over and

983
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: broke this breaking and enery robbed a house.

984
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: Wow, he's a felon.

985
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying, but in the back of the car,

986
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: you just see what I'm saying, so I'm like those things,

987
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: those things require a little more interrogation.

988
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 3: I think.

989
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 2: I think I'll end with this one, which specifically speaks

990
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: to the black community and the black community that I

991
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: hope to talk to, I think in a lot of ways,

992
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: and and.

993
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: And Latino community.

994
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm from.

995
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm from the East side of Los Angeles, you know. So,

996
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: like we do a lot of interaction with black and

997
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: brown issues out here, and that's been really a passion

998
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: not only for my life.

999
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: But specifically for this podcast.

1000
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: And what I found was the the Trump thing for

1001
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: at like the street level, they understand it, you know,

1002
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: they understand him. It's like I can never be wrong.

1003
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm the boss. He get to the he get to

1004
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: the money. You feel me, you know, you know, so

1005
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: there's there's an understanding of how he moves, which to

1006
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: which most of us should respond.

1007
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 4: Would then maybe he shouldn't be the.

1008
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: President if like, if he moved like Pooky in them,

1009
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: then like maybe maybe this ain't our guy. You feel me,

1010
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: but you have that being said, that sort of understanding

1011
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: of like, well, this is something I'm familiar with and

1012
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. Then you fast forward to somebody

1013
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: like a sexy Red that was like, well, I like

1014
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: Trump because he got me the stemmis.

1015
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1016
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to participate in the same

1017
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: anti blackness that was happening with the generation before, with

1018
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: the crime bills and such like that, and you know

1019
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and just kind of sort of like

1020
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: play the respectability politics, you know, and just these young

1021
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: niggas is weird, you know what I'm saying, Like I

1022
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: don't want to.

1023
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 4: Participate into in that.

1024
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: However, that way of thinking is so in a lot

1025
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: of times for me, it's like it's a little heartbreaking

1026
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: in the sense that I'm like, Okay, so he got

1027
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: you fourteen hundred dollars for four years. That's not even

1028
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: a that's not even one month's rent, right right, right?

1029
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: Four years? Like is this really? That's really? That's really

1030
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: all it took was just fourteen I don't even know

1031
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: where my question is in this, but just uh, I

1032
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: hear the question though, Yeah, Like how how do we engage?

1033
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: Like I said at the beginning, it's like I need to,

1034
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: I need to I need you at the table, like

1035
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: so like I'm not going to speak in a way

1036
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: that's like down to you and come up as a leaders.

1037
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: That being said, I am we are clearly more informed,

1038
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, So like what are your

1039
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on, like how do we keep

1040
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: the young homies at the table, you know, and being

1041
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: able to say, like one of the things that we've

1042
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: talked about on our show was like real political power

1043
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: versus like astroturfing, you know what I'm saying, where it's like,

1044
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: I know, you know lo Homie Trey, Little City James,

1045
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 2: Like if he shoots a text out like hey, we're

1046
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: gonna meet on you know what I'm saying, We're gonna

1047
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: be on on on Crenshawn'slaws, and you know I need

1048
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 2: I need one hundred and fifty people.

1049
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: Three hundred people are coming.

1050
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 3: Off a text.

1051
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's that's real political power.

1052
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: You can organize, you know what I'm saying.

1053
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: So because they're actually coming, you know what I'm saying,

1054
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: So like the to me, it's like these are the

1055
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: people that if I'm gonna if we're gonna onboard them

1056
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: into like really imagining a black future, I need somebody

1057
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: like this at the table. So my question is like, yeah,

1058
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: if you could figure out the question and They're like,

1059
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: how do we keep them engaged?

1060
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: No, I think that's in a conversation.

1061
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the right the right question, and

1062
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: this is the right conversation for us to be having

1063
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: right now because people are interested. It's more, it's so

1064
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: important to have this conversation now because people are tuned in.

1065
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 3: It's even more important to have it in a year.

1066
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: It's even more important than two years, right, And so

1067
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I think for me, it starts with understanding that people

1068
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: are rightfully cynical about what's happening right now. Right there's

1069
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: a new study that came out about the Black vote,

1070
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: National Black Voter Values, and it talks about this group

1071
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: of people, this significant group of people about twenty percent

1072
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: who are black voters potential Black voters, but are cynical.

1073
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: And many of the folks in that kind of cohort

1074
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: are black men. And I think it's actually really appropriate

1075
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: for us to kind of like land here because we

1076
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: talked earlier about the nineteen ninety four crime bill that

1077
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: disproportionately criminalized black men us black men.

1078
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: You come to.

1079
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four, thirty years later, and black men. I've

1080
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: talked to dozens, dozens of black men who are voting

1081
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: age who are like, I'm not dealing with that, I'm

1082
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: not engaged with Yes, I'm trying to get my money

1083
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take care of my family and I'm

1084
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, and they gonna do what they're gonna

1085
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: do anyway, Right, that cynical kind of that cynicism is warranted.

1086
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: It is fat like it is so like like it

1087
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: makes sense. I get it. You say it, I get it.

1088
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: As a black man, I get it. You see it.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like you see everybody else moving forward,

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Speaker 1: rising up, getting it, going to college, getting opportunities, working

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Speaker 1: like these culdhy like work from home jobs. It feels

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Speaker 1: like everybody's doing that. But the black men in my

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Speaker 1: life are stuck working nine to five doing manual lookers

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Speaker 1: on the floor, throwing bags under planes, feel like they

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Speaker 1: can't get ahead. And so I feel like, to keep

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Speaker 1: folks engaged, you got to start there. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is like the most basic kind of gospel principle. I

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Speaker 1: know this isn't a Christian thing, but like you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yeah, it really feels that way, right.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, Yo, look at the way that folks

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Speaker 1: who are are really trying to push forward a positive message.

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Speaker 1: You have to meet people where they are, and you

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Speaker 1: have to engage with folks on their basic need level

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Speaker 1: before you get started talking all this stuff. I really

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Speaker 1: have a lot to say here, So please forgive me

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Speaker 1: if I go on, no, like, go off, go of,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, man. I was in Atlanta a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago reporting for this thing I'm doing for NPR,

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Speaker 1: and one of the interesting things that kept coming up

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Speaker 1: against is that when I'm in southwest Atlanta, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: like Cascade Beach or Hills, Sylvan Hills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, like the commune and you know, the hood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, I know where we're at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm at, and I grew up not far

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Speaker 1: from there. My mom went to Sylvia High School in

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Speaker 1: the eighties. And so my point is, like, when I'm

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Speaker 1: down there, this is a community that has been the

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Speaker 1: hood for as long as I've been living, my mom's

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Speaker 1: whole life, and it is that way today, boarded up homes,

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Speaker 1: very transient, mostly renters.

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Speaker 3: Like, it's that kind of community.

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Speaker 1: And when I'm talking to people and their material conditions

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Speaker 1: did not change under Clinton. Whenever body was talking about

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Speaker 1: we're in economic boom. They did not change under Bush.

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Speaker 1: They're in bad shape under Bush, they were in bad

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Speaker 1: shape under Obama, they were in bad shape under Trump,

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Speaker 1: they were in bad shape under Biden. And now folks

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Speaker 1: are knocking on their door to tell you, tell them, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: you really gotta vote for Kamala Harris otherwise your life

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Speaker 1: is going to be really hard.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, my life has been hard. Yeah, help

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Speaker 3: helped me understand the difference. What's the difference?

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Speaker 1: That's the good. You have to acknowledge that this is

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Speaker 1: the reality. Now, where do we go from here? Now

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Speaker 1: we've acknowledged that this is the reality for many Americas,

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Speaker 1: many black Americans.

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Speaker 3: Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: I like to look at the number of votes in

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Speaker 1: each precinct, in each district, and oftentimes, man, it's a

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Speaker 1: couple hundred votes. Like oftentimes you're electing whole city council

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Speaker 1: members off of three thousand votes. So if you got

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Speaker 1: a guy who can mobilize one hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 1: hundred people, yeah, next tell you that your your point

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Speaker 1: is well to, is well made. That is political power.

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Speaker 1: If you can get that person to mobilize three hundred

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Speaker 1: people for four or five days straight.

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Speaker 3: You own it strong.

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Speaker 1: But you basically have chosen that's the person who will

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Speaker 1: represent your district.

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Speaker 3: You've chosen that person.

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Speaker 1: Now you are now the power broker for your district

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Speaker 1: because you know you can always mobilize enough folks to

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Speaker 1: get a person elected or to get a person removed.

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Speaker 1: And that's real power. That's real power that I don't

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Speaker 1: think that we've been told that we can actually affect.

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Speaker 1: I'll give a quick example. I live on a road

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Speaker 1: that's mad fast. I've been lobbying my city council member

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Speaker 1: for the last few months to slow this road down.

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Speaker 1: We just got a little speed sign thing that just

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Speaker 1: flashes how fast you're going. It's a step, right, it's

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Speaker 1: a step. And the thing is, when I called her

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, my role is kind of fast like it.

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Speaker 3: It bothers me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting at home on a Sunday watching people drive

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Speaker 1: way too fast down my road.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: She's like, well, you're the first person to call about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm the first person. It's like hundreds of people that

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Speaker 1: live on this road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm the first person to call. Your voice

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Speaker 1: is actually so much. When you call your council member,

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Speaker 1: when you call your center, when you call your representative,

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Speaker 1: when you go to the mayor's office and you show up,

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Speaker 1: you are probably one of twenty five people who've shown up,

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Speaker 1: and all twenty four of the other people are like

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Speaker 1: all white women, all white say because they know how

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Speaker 1: to work it. They go get where they will how

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Speaker 1: to and so like you can have. What I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to say is like the government is not complicated. They

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Speaker 1: want you to think it's complicated, because then you kind

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Speaker 1: of get a little like brain fog and you feel like.

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Speaker 3: It's not really worth it. I'm just go do what

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Speaker 3: I gotta do. It's not complicated.

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Speaker 1: Show up, pull your homies together to show up, pull

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Speaker 1: your community together to show up, talk to people, and.

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Speaker 3: It'll work. And so that's that's what I say.

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Speaker 1: First of all, acknowledge what's going on, acknowledge the factor

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Speaker 1: that folks are rightfully cynical. And then second, let's create

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Speaker 1: some pathways. Let's give some actual next step for how

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Speaker 1: to engage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, this couldn't have been better. It's like you

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Speaker 2: even like I mean, the cornerstone premise of this show

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Speaker 2: is what you just said, is that government's not that complicated.

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Speaker 2: You understand this more than you think you do. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, and in a lot of ways. Again, one

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Speaker 2: of our cornerstone premises is like you've actually been doing

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Speaker 2: politics your whole life, like you've already been doing it,

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Speaker 2: it's just by a different name. Garson, Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for doing this with us. Man, Can you please

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Speaker 2: plug all your plugs of like where they could follow you,

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Speaker 2: where they could see your videos?

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Speaker 3: All that for sure? For sure.

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Speaker 1: First of all, probably is a real honor. I don't

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Speaker 1: say that lightly. It's amazing to be here. Long time

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Speaker 1: admirer of your work.

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Speaker 3: Man, don't tell me that, bro, Thank you man, serious,

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Speaker 3: I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'll say you can follow me on

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Speaker 1: social media's I'm Garrison Hayes on everything, at Garrison h

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, at Garrison hat on TikTok, at Harrison Haes

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, and you can find the link to the

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Speaker 1: rest of my stuff from any of those places in

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Speaker 1: my podiot that's.

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Speaker 4: What it is.

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Speaker 2: Once again, thank you so much, and please lock in

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Speaker 2: with this brilliant brain right here doing amazing stuff down

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Speaker 2: there in the A.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you, all right, y'all appreciate you. I get stop

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Speaker 4: and we're good. Zoe though.

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Speaker 2: All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod.

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Speaker 2: You better listen to these credits. I need you to

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Speaker 2: Know M A T T O S O W s

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Speaker 2: The heat Politics is a member of Cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 2: executive produced by Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Your theme music and scoring is also by the one

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Speaker 2: and nobly Matt Awsowski. Still killing the Beat Softly, so listen.

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Speaker 2: Don't let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,

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Speaker 2: you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.

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Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.

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Speaker 3: Addition one