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Speaker 1: On today's episode, your questions for our June Q and A.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal call that for me.

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Speaker 1: And then and tie? Welcome back to the Salaburba, boys

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Speaker 1: and girls. My name is Ty Hillenbrand. That fun gentleman

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Speaker 1: over there is always the illustrious Dan Rubinstein in the

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Speaker 1: heart of the Midwest. Spent some time at the beach.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what you call it in Chicago. The

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Speaker 1: a lake lake beach, a long lake, Michigan. Welcome back, sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Ty, life is terrific. We have terrific. Questions

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Speaker 2: for today's Q and A. I learned, uh that the

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Speaker 2: the preview magazines are now out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got one of those up right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Which one did you get?

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Speaker 2: Same one right next to my toilet, already been perusing.

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Speaker 2: And it's the one time a year I go to

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Speaker 2: a specific news stand, right, not like a grocery store,

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Speaker 2: not like I go to the dedicated news stand where

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Speaker 2: they have every single magazine, every single newspaper that you

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Speaker 2: could possibly want. And I do the same thing every year,

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Speaker 2: and I FaceTime my wife and I say black or

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Speaker 2: never ever. And then I buy the College Wall preview

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Speaker 2: magazine and come home, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've got mine too, I've started going through. It is

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Speaker 1: that time of year. We're starting to inch ever so

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Speaker 1: close to preview season. I think as we get into

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Speaker 1: the latter half of July or so, that's when you

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Speaker 1: expect us to roll out all of our conference and

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Speaker 1: team previews stuff like we've done every year for like

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen straight seasons. We will get there before

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Speaker 1: you know it. We're also going to get into over

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Speaker 1: to attach a game to that, which you can find,

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Speaker 1: along on social media as well as YouTube. As for today, Dan, gratulation, Skippy,

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Speaker 1: they are prompted to do so. Dan, let's start with

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Speaker 1: Gary over on Patreon. What up, Gary, Since you've completed

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Speaker 1: all the schedule previews for all of the Power five

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Speaker 1: and G five conferences, who would you be most shocked

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Speaker 1: if they didn't make the college football Playoff? And why? So? Okay,

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Speaker 1: tipping our hand a little bit here, I guess we

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Speaker 1: haven't fully gone through these magazines yet and what others

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Speaker 1: the way of previews and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: But are you Are you waiting to decide on your

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Speaker 2: college football opinions for the upcoming season based on what

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Speaker 2: Laura and Steven athlon have to say? Is that what

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Speaker 2: is that where your brain goes? Is that the secret

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Speaker 2: sauce behind the ty Hildenbrand magic?

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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of magic, Yeah, this question is like one

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Speaker 1: of those magic tricks where you cut the deck six times,

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Speaker 1: card over and it's always Georgia. It's always Georgia. Dan.

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Speaker 1: If Georgia does not make the playoff with this schedule,

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Speaker 1: with the talent they still have on their roster, I

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Speaker 2: New offensive coordinator, new old offensive coordinator, Mike Bobo.

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Speaker 1: New new old offensive coordinator. If Georgia does not make

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Speaker 1: the playoff, I think something's wrong that would that would

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Speaker 1: not happen. Is there a different answer for you?

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Speaker 2: Well, probably because of their schedule, Michigan because we're now

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Speaker 2: football playoffs and because of their schedule this year, and

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Speaker 2: you obviously mentioned Georgia just now, but Georgia's specific schedule

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Speaker 2: their schedule is especially navigable.

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Speaker 1: Love that word. Yeah, Michigan's in a similar place without

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Speaker 1: I don't believe the cancelation of an interesting non conference opponent,

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Speaker 1: but the way that their home road splits shake out,

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Speaker 1: the way that the Big Ten specifically is looking, Michigan

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Speaker 1: is in a nice place. They get what Penn State

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Speaker 1: there's just a lot new with some of these teams,

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Speaker 1: but also not so much so Michigan and Georgia would

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Speaker 2: Even if even if I was State beats Michigan. Michigan

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Speaker 2: make it Otherwise, I don't Nobody in the Big twelve

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Speaker 2: because of schedule. Oregon schedule becomes easier, Washington schedule is

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Speaker 2: the non conference portion of their schedule. USC's defense should

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Speaker 2: be improved, but they have a trip to Oregon and

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Speaker 2: I believe a trip to Notre Dame, right, Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: their schedule is a little bit more landmine, and so

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Speaker 2: nobody in the ACC, really, I know we're big believers

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Speaker 2: not necessarily in a sure thing fashion. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's where I go in terms of Michigan, the playing

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Speaker 2: the percentages now Georgia and Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Evan Out on Instagram left this

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve have this year? So look at first blush,

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Speaker 1: it's Oregon and USC, and I think more Oregon than

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Speaker 1: a dark horse. I like Utah. Utah's schedule is brutal.

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Speaker 1: And though some of the Utah folks have argued and said, well,

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Speaker 1: hope for cam Rising's sake that that is the case. Sure. However,

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Speaker 1: they've drastically reduced the recovery time for seid injury, I'll

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Speaker 1: believe it when I see it. I believe when I

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Speaker 1: see it so that, notwithstanding the Utah schedule is brutal,

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Speaker 1: which is why I would not necessarily include them in

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Speaker 1: this conversation as being a quote unquote playoff contending team

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Speaker 1: outside of Oregon and USC and maybe Washington. Is there

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Speaker 1: anybody I forgot? And how do you feel about those

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Speaker 2: No, those four teams, I say, Utah, Washington, Oregon, USC,

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Speaker 2: I would I'd pump break. I think they're all contending

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Speaker 2: at their best. I think all of them have clear

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Speaker 2: potential to We're having this conversation on November ninth, beeeming like,

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Speaker 2: oh man, it could work out that any one of

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Speaker 2: could be having this conversation by any of those teams.

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Speaker 2: Those are also flawed teams, right that. Washington's back end,

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Speaker 2: Washington's offensive line, Washington's running game, Oregon's defense, Oregon's ability

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Speaker 2: to get to the pass. Are a lot of new

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Speaker 2: faces on the Oregon defense. You know, Bownicks was wildly

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Speaker 2: inconsistent before last year, and so does he regress to

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Speaker 2: you know, three good weeks out of every four, and

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Speaker 2: is that enough to get Oregon? In that conversation, the

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Speaker 2: key pieces what bear Alexander Mason Cobb and obviously having

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Speaker 2: the probably most dynamic playmaker in the sport at quarterback,

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Speaker 2: USC is in that conversation because the best of USC

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Speaker 2: is a team that can drop forty to fifty points

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Speaker 2: on almost anybody in the country, certainly the teams on

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Speaker 2: you can say I don't see them dropping forty two

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Speaker 2: or having the ability to drop forty two against Utah.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Cam Rising's health, Utah's long standing ability to not

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Speaker 2: but all of them have clear questions and flaws where

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Speaker 2: you're like, I could see this conversation happening in early November,

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Speaker 2: but I could also see two of these teams finishing

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Speaker 2: eight and four, and two of these teams in this

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Speaker 2: com you a top twelve, top fifteen, top eight conversation

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Speaker 2: in November, So yeah, there are clear flaws standing in

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Speaker 2: the way separating these types of teams with teams that

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Speaker 2: are more obviously built to have that mid November conversation.

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Speaker 1: The mid November conversation. Yeah, which, by the way, I would.

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Speaker 2: I would put Washington just because I'm not what does

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Speaker 2: their road schedule look like? You can pull this up

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Speaker 2: as I'm vamping and waxing poetic, but at his best,

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Speaker 2: Michael Pennix makes truly incredible throws. They might have the

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Speaker 2: best duo of Winter Wonder type receivers in the conference,

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Speaker 2: and they can get after the passer. I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't see Washington as a dark horse at this point

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Speaker 2: because of the experience they bring back in the schedule

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Speaker 2: don't think you keep Washington out of that top group.

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Speaker 2: I just would like to see it from a complete

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Speaker 2: perspective from Washington at this moment. And so what they won.

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Speaker 2: They won close a bunch last year, and typically after

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Speaker 2: winning close, you win comfortably. But I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: behind Oregon and USC. I just think there's that top

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Speaker 2: four tier right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's when you go back and listen

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Speaker 1: to the PAC twelve episode. But Washington's over under is nine.

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Speaker 1: I think we labeled it, at least I did, as

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Speaker 1: one of the easier slates in the PAC twelve. The

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Speaker 1: road schedule isn't bad, so I said, it's a little

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Speaker 1: weird because they go to Michigan State, They've got Arizona,

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Speaker 1: they've got Stanford, they got USC and Oregon State. Decent buffers,

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Speaker 1: decent buffers. November could get a little dicey, but it's

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Speaker 1: not the type of thing that I looked at and

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Speaker 1: I said, it's this is overwhelming. They've got a run

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Speaker 1: define it. Let's define that. Cinderella was TCU of Cinderella last.

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Speaker 2: But if you're asking me for Cinderella, that means you

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Speaker 2: has an opportunity against Washington and I think UCF right

433
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Speaker 2: in terms of power five opponents this year that if

434
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Speaker 2: they absolutely stomp Washington in Seattle and then Washington goes

435
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Speaker 2: on to have a ten to two season. Sure, we're

436
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Speaker 2: having a conversation about Boise. Should the top of college

437
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: football look pretty muddled come Thanksgiving? Right, and certainly they

438
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: didn't have to be want to come to see in

439
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: similar fashion.

440
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Speaker 1: That that's my counterpoint, but continue.

441
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: Fresno has I believe, Arizona State and Purdue both on

442
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: the road, which would not be crazy calling card resume type,

443
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: but they'd have to stomp those teams, and those teams

444
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 2: would also have to be pretty good and just stomp

445
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: the Mountain West. Tulane is interesting because they finished they

446
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: concluded last year having beaten both the Big twelve champion

447
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: and the Pac twelve runner up, right in USC and

448
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: Kansas State. Correct, and Tulane I believe only has one

449
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: Power five opponent this year. They're at ole Miss, right

450
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: to I try to memorize as much as I can

451
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: when I'm pooping and reading athlon, but you know, sometimes

452
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: it slips by me. So if they stomp ole Miss,

453
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: an ole Miss is in the mix for the SEC

454
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: West Crown or something come later on in the year.

455
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: And Tulane, with the same quarterback as last year, they

456
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Speaker 2: build upon their twenty twenty two that's interesting. Who am

457
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: I missing of the well, the power five strong or strengths.

458
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: So here here's my case against Okay, okay case. So,

459
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Speaker 1: I think you're right to bring up Tulane. I think

460
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Speaker 1: Tulane's the most obvious one. BOYC, I'm just not sold

461
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Speaker 1: because of the schedule Fresno. Are you a Mikey Keen

462
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Speaker 1: or Logan Fife believer.

463
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying they went ten and four last year,

464
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Speaker 2: so they have a household name as a head coach

465
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: and they don't have the quarterback. But that's that's at

466
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: least something it have to be to me from the

467
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Speaker 2: American or Mountain West.

468
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Speaker 1: I think it would have to. I mean the Sun

469
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Speaker 1: Belts interesting. The Sunbelts has raised its profile, but I

470
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: don't know if it's got the defense outside of like

471
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: Troy Coastal.

472
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: No, there's a bunch of teams with a good defense,

473
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: but I just don't think the level in general.

474
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Speaker 1: I don't think the level level in general is there.

475
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Speaker 1: Here is my case against Okay. I think I think,

476
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Speaker 1: regardless of what the selection committee has said over the years,

477
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: the credibility of a program, the image of a program matters,

478
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: and it may not be as much about TV ratings

479
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: as skeptics like me and maybe you have argued over

480
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: the years. But it's a multi year process to go

481
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: about building your program into one that the committee feels

482
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Speaker 1: won't be embarrassed on the big stage. Yeah, it took

483
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Speaker 1: Luke Fickle three really good seasons at Cincinnati to get there,

484
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: to get to the point where, Okay, Cincinnati is now

485
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Speaker 1: accepted as someone who can contend and be on that stage. Right,

486
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Speaker 1: I don't know if any of those teams really exist

487
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: this year. You know, Boise's been there. I don't think

488
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Speaker 1: Boise is a realistic option this year because I think

489
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: the schedule's tough. Well, no, I don't trust them.

490
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: We're talking about a universe in which they beat up

491
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Speaker 2: on UCF and Washington. They beat each of those teams

492
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Speaker 2: thirty five to think they beat it. But here's but

493
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Speaker 2: here's where.

494
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Speaker 1: I'm going with this next and this is what we

495
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Speaker 1: wanted to come back to. Okay, So Boise, I don't

496
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Speaker 1: trust Boise because of the schedule, But okay, in this

497
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: hypothetical world, sure, Fran that's what it takes though.

498
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, if they're undefeated and there's a couple one

499
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: loss teams, a couple two loss teams come Thanksgiving. Then

500
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Speaker 2: we're having this conversation Tulane. I, you know, the schedule

501
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: might be favorable to that. They bring back obviously Michael Pratt,

502
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: who I think is a pretty good quarterback, and they

503
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: have losses elsewhere.

504
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Speaker 1: They tried to fill in gaffs with the portal. I

505
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: think Tulane will be pretty good as well. They probably

506
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: win double digits again. But I think the circumstance that

507
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: Cincinnati had working to its advantage in twenty twenty one

508
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: is that there was a very thin upper tier, very

509
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: thin upper crust, and they beat Notre Dame. The best

510
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: win on their on their schedule was beating Notre Dame

511
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: twenty four to thirteen, I think, which could be like

512
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: Boise beating Washington, could be like Boise beating Washington, but

513
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: in that particular case in twenty twenty one, the upper

514
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: crust of college football is really thin. Yeah, and there

515
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: was no choice but to put Cincinnati in. I look

516
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: at the field this year. I could speak a lot

517
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: differently about it come December, of course, as we always do,

518
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: but don't I don't think it'll be nearly as thin

519
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: this year. I think there's a lot of variability at

520
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: the top. I think it might be one of the

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: thicker upper crusts that we've seen in a while. H

522
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: I likes it thick. Everybody knows that about you know

523
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: that about me. I think there will be a much

524
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: larger pool of teams that are in contention later this season.

525
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're necessarily going to get to

526
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: a point where it's like, well, if you're not going

527
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: to put Boise and if you're not going to put

528
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: Tulane in, who are you going to put in? I

529
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: don't think that will be the case this year. So

530
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: my answer, unfortunately, Gordon, I think it's impossible this year.

531
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Speaker 1: It will be very possible in twenty twenty four because

532
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: then five teams guaranteed to get in, and depending on

533
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: how you feel about some of the conferences, maybe there's

534
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: a chance that we could get multiple G five teams in.

535
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: So that problem goes away after this season. But this year, anyway,

536
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: I differ from you. I just I don't think it's possible.

537
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I do not think it's possible this season.

538
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: But to play Devil's Devils, Devils, Devil's advocate or whatever.

539
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: At this point, you have Georgia, Alabama, Ohiose States starting

540
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: over at quarterback, Clemson starting over at quarterback full time.

541
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: We know what the quarterback is going to be. But

542
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: the traditional teams that you could kind of pencil into

543
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: that conversation kind of have a lot up in the air.

544
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: The team that West are all flawed. The teams in

545
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: the Big twelve are all flawed and have questions that

546
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: when you say thick, I think again seven c's that

547
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: might work to the advantage of a G five because

548
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: we might have a bunch of nine to two teams. No, right,

549
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: Georgia will go undefeated every year right until they don't.

550
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: So like it's it's still one of those things to

551
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: me where where Alabama looks unbeatable and then Hugh Freeze

552
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: and like Evan Ingram somehow destroy them.

553
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: So I just.

554
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm not confident in the thickness of undefeated teams at

555
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: the top. That's the only thing to me over here

556
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: on Earth one.

557
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I think the only possibility would be too late

558
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: because they've got the schedule for it. They've got the

559
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: schedule to go undefeated. I don't know if they've got

560
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: a schedule to be taken seriously in this conversation. So

561
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: even if there are one or two lost teams, a

562
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: smattering of them at the top because there's so much new,

563
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're part of that conversation because

564
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: I think people will look at the schedule and scoff.

565
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: If the best win at the end of the year

566
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: is over Ole Miss, it's a good win for sure. Yeah,

567
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're penciling in Ole Miss as

568
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: a top ten team the way we were penciling in

569
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is a top ten team back in twenty

570
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: twenty one for Cincinnati when they had that win, right,

571
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: I just think it's different. So for me, it's not

572
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: possible this year. I just thought we can we can

573
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: agree to disagree on that if we kind of broaden

574
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: this conversation out. Then the question that we got from

575
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: amz over on Instagram, what's going to happen in non

576
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Power five teams in this new world? Let's just say

577
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact perspective that this question is

578
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: coming to us from starting next season. As I said,

579
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: there will be at least one G five team in

580
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: the expanded playoff every year, which I think is a

581
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: good thing. It's good that we've been clamoring for that

582
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: for a while. I've been claiming for that for a while.

583
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: There's a case to be made that the American that

584
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: the Sun Belt, I'll include the Sun Belt here, the

585
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Mountain West, certainly the Mountain West, that some of those

586
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: conferences have raised their profile to the extent where they

587
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: could maybe get more than one team, and we can

588
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: have more than one G five team in like we

589
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: playing in a Round one, likely playing on the road,

590
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: but an accomplishment. Nonetheless, if you can get into that

591
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: right that I think is a cool story and it's

592
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: great that they are included. I would also add that

593
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: the undercurrent in college football is very much going against

594
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: those teams all right, from a non playoff standpoint, From

595
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: a non playoff standpoint, because of the super conferences, because

596
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: of the money that's coming in via these media deals,

597
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: because of nil because of all these other factors that

598
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: we have to talk about. Now, we're getting to a

599
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: point where that gap between the haves and have nots

600
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: is only getting greater, and I don't think we're getting

601
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: any closer to fixing the problem. So I think it's

602
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: very long overdue that these teams are going to have

603
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: a seat at the playoff table, and I will eagerly

604
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: be rooting them on, provided they're not playing against one

605
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: of my teams. But how many teams are you up to? Now?

606
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I guess I'm up to two? Okay, unless you count me?

607
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: Give you? Do we count t see you anymore? Sure? Yeah,

608
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: of course we do. For a while it was Georgia too.

609
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I might have four, I don't know, on again, off again, sure,

610
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Lee High, m you know where I stand at Lee High.

611
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: It's a love hate thing right now. Yeah, but I

612
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: just it's like a double edged sword for me. I'm

613
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: pleased that they're going to get a set at that

614
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: playoff table. But again, over here Earth one, in college

615
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: football reality, I can see that there are like very

616
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: very strong headwinds going against those programs. Well that's I think.

617
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: I think that only gets accelerated the longer we get

618
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: into like this new reality. Yeah, I mean, you're looking

619
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: at this question through the lens of the playoff. Well,

620
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: not entirely. I'm saying, through the lens of the playoff

621
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: it's okay, But through the lens of everything else, it's

622
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: very much not Okay.

623
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: It's a disaster, right conference USA is wilting right after

624
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: the American pluck teams. The American is wilting after the

625
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: Big twelve pluck teams. We'll see what happens with San

626
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Diego State and the PAC twelve. I think it's in

627
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: a terrible place. You know, the idea of Power five

628
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: and G five and so the Power conferences, however many

629
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: there are in the coming few years, are going to

630
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: strip whatever conference they'd like for parts because oh, we

631
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: need fourteen teams, Oh we need sixteen teams, actually makes

632
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: sense financially whatever that.

633
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: We're in this market, in this time zone.

634
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: Whatever, because that's how we have to talk about the

635
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: sport now as dumb dums. So it's terrible. It is

636
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: absolutely terrible. And so the top three teams are going

637
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: to be fine in terms of an opportunity in the postseason.

638
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: You know, whether it's Boise or President, any of those

639
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: teams that we're talking about, they'll have an opportunity to

640
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: try and beat Ohio State or Georgia or Clemson or

641
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: Florida State or US whoever in a twelve team playoff.

642
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it still seems little more to

643
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: me than a pat on the head, and you can

644
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: come in the club. I don't know that you're getting

645
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: the full dinner, but you can come in the club

646
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: and hang out for a little while, sit, sit at.

647
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Speaker 1: That, get a guest pass right exact pass to play

648
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Speaker 1: the golf course. But that's that's pretty much.

649
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Speaker 2: I just we're heading to a place where we're going

650
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: to have gigantic conferences of teams that happen to be

651
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: geographically located in the right place, and everything else is

652
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: going to sort of fall by the wayside, and there's

653
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: going to be there are only so many dollars. As

654
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: we know, as we are still waiting for the PAC

655
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: twelve deal to come through. The Big twelve did a

656
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: good job, the Big ten and SEC obviously did a

657
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: good job. The ACC is locked in a weird place,

658
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: but eventually some resolution will come from that the next

659
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: one to forty years. Who knows how long the grant

660
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: of rights things will take to work itself out, but

661
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: everything will slowly morph into two to four conferences and

662
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: the dollars and TV spots there will be crumbs for

663
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: whatever's left of the American or the Mountain West. And

664
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: it's terrible for this sport. It's absolutely catastrophic and awful

665
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: for the sport. But it's toothpaste. That's that's long been

666
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: out of the tube. So no, the very top will

667
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: be all right, and maybe they'll they'll succeed enough those three, four, five,

668
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: six programs that continues they win in those G five conferences,

669
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: maybe they'll earn an invite at some point, you know,

670
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: somebody will throw them a bone. But I don't really

671
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: see it happening all that often. It's in a terrible place.

672
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: The future is terrible for the Group of five. And

673
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: this is our doing as a college football universe.

674
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: We have a question here from CWT three h two

675
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Thank you, by the way, follow on Instagram

676
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: if you haven't already, please do. Question is if you

677
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: could hit pause at any point in college football realignment,

678
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: where would it be and why so we're hitting pause?

679
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: There have been a couple waves of this now over

680
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the last decade or so. The obvious one to me

681
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: is I would hit pause. After TCU joined the Big Twelve.

682
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: What year is that, twenty twelve, So that was TCU

683
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: joining the Big twelve. I believe West Virginia also came

684
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: into the Big Twelve in twenty twelve. That was the

685
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: same year that Colorado joined the Pac twelve. I would

686
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: not want to go much beyond that. There was also

687
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: some movement after.

688
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Twelve, So that's so that what does that give us

689
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: across the sport? Missoon and A and M are in

690
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: the SEC at that point, yes, I believe so yeah. Yeah,

691
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: and then Nebraska's in the Big Ten at that point.

692
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Yes. At that point we have I believe Maryland voting

693
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: to join the Big Ten. Yeah, and Rutgers also voting

694
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: to join the Big Ten, but they weren't admitted until

695
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. The Nebraska thing, I believe happened in twenty eleven,

696
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: so this would be in under the wire there, Yes

697
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, the Big Ten at that point only

698
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: has twelve teams with Nebraska joining. Yeah.

699
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: So I mean the question is for all of these

700
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: for your answer, like, has the Big Ten become more

701
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: interesting since Nebraska joined? Has the Big Twelve become more

702
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: interesting since since joining the Big twelve?

703
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: I'd say yes to that.

704
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Shecu to the Big twelve and Nebraska was a much

705
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: more fun team in the Big twelve, But that doesn't

706
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: necessarily have to do with the movement. That more has

707
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: to do with Nebraska itself. Missoo is strong and interesting

708
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: early on in their tenure in the SEC, as was

709
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: A and M. Has the SEC become better with A

710
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: and M in it somewhat right. They've got a bunch

711
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: of money, they've had big personalities, they've had big players,

712
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: but they haven't really affected things consistently. I don't know, Like,

713
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: would you, I mean, you answer the question, so you'd

714
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: rather live in a universe with Texas, A and M

715
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: and Miszoo in the SEC? I think I'd go back

716
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: to two thousand and nine. Okay, I think if you

717
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: gave me the option to watch a Big twelve with

718
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: A and M and Nebraska and Texas and Oklahoma, I'd

719
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: be pretty into it, And Misszoo I'd be pretty into it.

720
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: The TCU thing sucks. I'd rather have TCU in there

721
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: than not. But if you're giving me the option of

722
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: those four teams playing together and not TCU, I'd probably

723
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: take that. I'd take a PAC ten over a PAC twelve,

724
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: even with Utah's success, just because Colorado has been completely

725
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: worthless essentially to the PAC twelve. Sure in terms of

726
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: competitive contributions, haven't cared about Nebraska in the Big ten

727
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: all that much.

728
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Speaker 1: I think the big thing for me. Yeah, And this

729
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: is why I kind of wavered on this answer. I

730
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: ultimately getting TCU in a Power five conference I thought

731
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: was pretty important because that had been a program that

732
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: I think that's totally good, that deserved and Utah to

733
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: that extent right that those programs deserve to be in

734
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: a Power five conference. So I'm pleased about that. But

735
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: what you do lose a little bit of is the ACC.

736
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: The current construction of the ACC, I believe with Pitt

737
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: and Louisville, and I think that was before Syracuse got

738
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: its membership in the ACC. You know, you kind of

739
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: have at that twenty twelve period of time that weird

740
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: cusp between is the Big East failing or is it not?

741
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: And teams are starting to look around and see the

742
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: landscape and jumping ship that was kind of the Ultimately,

743
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: this is purely from a romantic standpoint. From a romantic standpoint,

744
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: I think twenty twelve is where I cut it off.

745
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve is where I cut it off, and you know,

746
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: we still sort of have this weird like the remnants

747
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: of the Big East at that point.

748
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I feel next to nothing emotionally about getting

749
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: to watch Boston College or Syracuse or Pitt play de

750
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: NC State or Florida State.

751
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

752
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: It's probably a thing where you're just like, you like

753
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: what you like when you were twenty five or something

754
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: like that, or whenever your fandom was most aggressive and

755
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: exciting and so acc without Maryland, but with Boston College, Syracuse,

756
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Pit Like Louisville, Like, I don't know it. It hasn't done

757
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: a ton for me emotionally or romantically. We've had good games,

758
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: we've had really fun performances, but in terms of how

759
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: the sport is divvied up, it just makes less sense

760
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: to me. Again, but that's because you know, we were

761
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: starting the show in two thousand and eight, two thousand

762
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: and nine, right, so that there's something ingrained and imprinted

763
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: from whatever the sport was then. So it's highly personal.

764
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: But it just feels like the contributions that a lot

765
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: of these teams have made to those conferences are TV

766
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: markets rather than either competitive contributions or you know, new rivalries,

767
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: like yes, the Miszoo defensive line in twenty thirteen was incredible. Yes,

768
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: those early a and m SEC offenses were incredible, But

769
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: by and large the character and the sort of definite

770
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: of these conferences, I don't know if it's been completely

771
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: added to by realignments. It just I don't know. It's

772
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: just more teams in more attractive financial places than anything else, the.

773
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Real Mikey Low thirty four on Instagram. How many fewer

774
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: points per game are we expecting with the new clock rules?

775
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I did the math. Yeah, okay, I did the math

776
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: problem earlier this morning to actually try and figure this

777
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: one out. So new clock rules this year in college football.

778
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: You can go back and listen to what we had

779
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: to say about him a few months back when they

780
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: voted him in. There's been a lot written about it.

781
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: The cops clocks, and clocks stay with clops. Yeah. The

782
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: Colps continue running on first downs now in college football.

783
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: So obviously this answer is somewhat dependent on the teams

784
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that are playing, but we do have data and it's

785
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: easy to do the math. The new clock rules, per projections,

786
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: are expected to eliminate about seven plays per game, which

787
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: isn't a lot, but it is enough to make a difference.

788
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Points per play is something we very much track. Yeah,

789
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: points per drive too. Yep. So you can do the

790
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: math and figure out exactly what we're what we're talking

791
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: about here. The average number of points per play in

792
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: FBS last season was point three seventy nine. Basically, if

793
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: you imagine an offense in between Wisconsin and Washington State,

794
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: that was about the average offense in terms of points

795
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: per play. If you do the math for those teams,

796
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: multiply by seven, it's about two and a half points

797
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: per game. Round up like three three points per game fewer.

798
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: If you take a team like in Ohio State.

799
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's two teams playing a game.

800
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: So I understand that. I'm just kind of giving you

801
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: a baseline. Okay, If you run those numbers for a

802
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: team like Ohio State, it's closer to point sixty five

803
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: points per play, which is crazy. So for them it

804
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: would be about four and a half points. If you

805
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: try to factor in what it means when you've got

806
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: two teams plague and not just one, two and a

807
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: half to four points fewer per game seems like it's possible.

808
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be anything so drastic

809
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: that we're going to look back on these clock changes

810
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: and say this affected the game in any kind of

811
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: drastic way. Right, it's not going to be suddenly we

812
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: don't have shootouts or suddenly we don't have right, the

813
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: style will play that we're accustomed to seeing. I think

814
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: it will be a rather moderate impact and we won't

815
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: see it as much in terms of the final score.

816
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: But look, we'll be able to figure it out at

817
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: the end of the season and we can see if

818
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: there's any kind of any kind of major takeaway. I

819
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: think it'll be modest. Maybe a field goal less per game.

820
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. My only thought is because the clock

821
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: will be running more often. That might also speed up

822
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: aggression of teams who are behind by two or three

823
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: scorers early on in the third quarter, and suddenly they're

824
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: playing more aggressive if they're scoring more often, even if

825
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: they're still losing that game, and it just sort of

826
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: course corrects that teams aren't going to be as deliberate

827
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: in the second half and slow down the scoring. So

828
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: the scoring might be very similar based on coaches feeling

829
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more fire underneath them when they're behind,

830
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: and so that could lead to very just identical scoring

831
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: as coaches sort of.

832
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: Pick up on the rhythms of the new rules from

833
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: PD or on Instagram? Who's the best quarterback? We won't

834
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: notice because he's on a bad team, Sam Hartman, this

835
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: is a tough question. This is actually a tough question. Okay,

836
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: So no, there's a bunch of good answers for this.

837
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: Continue well, I mean, what makes it hard for me

838
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: is won't notice because they're not a bad team. So,

839
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: for example, I think shouldar sand is a really interesting

840
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: answer here. I think it'll be hard not to notice

841
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Shader Sanders because his father is Dion Standers, right, because

842
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: of all the all the dust that's been kicked up

843
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: around the Colorado program. But that's interesting to me. Okay,

844
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me. I think TVD is an interesting answer,

845
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: provided Miami doesn't get it's stuff together. But they're visible,

846
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: but they're not good. They're super visible, but they're visible exactly.

847
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: I think Michael Pratt may go unnoticed, but I think

848
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: he'll be on a really good team. We just talked

849
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: about them. It's potentially a ten win team. So I

850
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: struggled with the answer here because I could not satisfy

851
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: both elements of this question unnoticed and a bad team.

852
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: But about Jaylen Daniels, Jalen Daniels. Okay, I could argue

853
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: last year he was not a household name. Even Jason

854
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Bean was very good for Kansas for long stretches. Otherwise,

855
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: like are you will believer? It was a AJ Swan

856
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 1: for Vanderbilt. The best of AJ Swan was pretty good.

857
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: He was a freshman last year. Was that his name?

858
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: AJ Swan? I don't want to have that wrong for

859
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: a bad team this year.

860
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: Who Like, it's hard to be a good quarterback for

861
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: a bad team because usually good quarterbacks are just going

862
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: to get attention. I don't really, I don't think I

863
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: see it happening in the Big Ten, in the Big twelve,

864
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: Like like if Hunter Deckers is good or whoever, who's

865
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: the freshman? I think it's Coal, Coal or Cohler for

866
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: Iowa State. If he's good, there's going to get attention.

867
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: They're gonna win games because the defense should be good. Again, No,

868
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: it's really tough to do to have a good Cord.

869
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: It's hard.

870
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: I guess another answer might be Riley Cooper. If Duke

871
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: is like a five hundred ish team but there are

872
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: four and eight or three and nine team without him,

873
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: because he was so do everything as a freshman.

874
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean Riley Cooper definitely a different player.

875
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: Riley Cooper, definitely different Riley Leonard, thank you very much,

876
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: multiple Rileys.

877
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I guess those would be my answers. Okay, we've got

878
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: a and full more here that I want to get through. Yeah,

879
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: let's go to our friends, the college football nerds who

880
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: sent in a tweet. Okay, what style of football do

881
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: you most and least enjoy watching? Thank you for the question. Guys,

882
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: appreciate good football. Good football? Next question, Yeah, good football.

883
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: I hate style. I hate old school Army Navy option.

884
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I hate it. I know you're out, I hate it.

885
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: You're out of your mind. I absolutely detest it. Yeah.

886
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching wide open offenses a lot of scoring,

887
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: not super air rady okay, like the old Mike Leach style,

888
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: like Texas Tech stuff, which was interesting on a schematic

889
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: level and was interesting given the matchup. It was just

890
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: so far skewed in the direction of offense that it

891
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: was It was like a little bit much for me.

892
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: But in general, I like a really good passing offense

893
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: that plays at a decent enough clip and is able

894
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: to involve three wide receivers. I don't mind a little

895
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: bit of the zone read stuff. But I like it

896
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: being wide open, I like it paying it playing at

897
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: a decent pace, and I don't want it to be

898
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: super duper gimmicky like I sometimes felt the air Raid was.

899
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: So who all can I pivot this question? Please, ever

900
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: so slightly please? Who has put forth the most esthetically

901
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: pleasing offense to your semi color blind eyes? So I

902
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: don't do I say, yeah, I don't hate.

903
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: The work of Lincoln Riley.

904
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: The best of Lincoln Riley, so Kyler, Murray, Baker, Mayfield,

905
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, et cetera.

906
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, CAYLEB. Williams.

907
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: Sure, the best of Lincoln Riley is that it? But

908
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: that's where we're talking stylistically, right like, which, again, I'm

909
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: not saying your answer is wrong, it's your answer.

910
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: It's personal.

911
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: So just like the ability for I mean, the lot

912
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: of balance with those teams, running backs have put up

913
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: a ton of yards in Lincoln Riley offenses. Receivers have

914
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: been in Bolitnikoff conversations. Quarterbacks have been Heisman, you know,

915
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: first overall picks. So is there a single year in which.

916
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: I can't give you a single year? No, I can't

917
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: give you a single year. But what I what I

918
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: like about those off Like so it definitely skews more

919
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: on the pass side, very quarterback heavy, but they've done

920
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: so in a way that does not feel gimmicky. Okay,

921
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: So to me, how do you how do you feel

922
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: about about incredibly successful offenses built around RPO type stuff?

923
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: It has grown on me. Okay, it has grown on me. Right.

924
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: It is kind of a variation of the option, That's

925
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: what it is. It's just a different version of it,

926
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: you know. I mean my favorite offense I've talked about

927
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: this before. My favorite offense is what they ran at

928
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina. Yeah, under Jamie Chadwell. Yeah, because it was everything.

929
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: It was just all the good stuff that you like.

930
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: They didn't play defense, all right, that's a different conversation,

931
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: But in terms of offense, I like that because it

932
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: was super multiple, was all the formations, all the concepts

933
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: that I think we find interesting, and they still did

934
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: so in a way that didn't feel like I was

935
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: again watching some sort of gimmick. It felt very cohesive

936
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: to me.

937
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: So of the in the past, like fifteen years or so,

938
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: If I'm going to exclude Chip Kelly Oregon offenses, which

939
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: are obviously near and dear, but two personal very gimma,

940
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: orient how dare you?

941
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: How dare you?

942
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: Those are incredible for me, So if I exclude those,

943
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: there was something pretty wonderful about the combination of bruising

944
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: quarterback and just crazy speed of those like O six

945
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: seven eight Florida teams with Tim Tebow, Like that was

946
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: incredibly aesthetically pleasing to me, with the amount of speed

947
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: on the field and then just having a giant.

948
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: Like a bowling ball with eyes as chich.

949
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: As like a michel entire at the mischeal entire man

950
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: whatever at quarterback where I love offenses. We were like,

951
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: I know exactly what they're gonna do. The defense was

952
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: exactly what they're gonna do, and it's gonna work right.

953
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: It's fourth and inches and Tim Tebow's in the shotgun

954
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: and he's just gonna barrel forward like a front end loader.

955
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: That I like.

956
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: I like that that was aesthetically pleasing because you marry

957
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: that with the speed on that offense. You're right to

958
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: mention the Lincoln Riley offenses. I really enjoyed the best

959
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: of Penn State under Joe moorehead like we called it,

960
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: like I don't know if it was twenty sixteen, the

961
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: like fit go deep now there's like RPO stuff, but

962
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: they held the idea that Penn State was going to

963
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: try out a bunch of five ten and a half

964
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: receivers and just run by you. And then when you

965
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: kind of figure that out, Saquon Barkley was around. That

966
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: was pretty incredible to watch from just a TV show perspective.

967
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: I both loved.

968
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: And got kind of bored with Mac Jones era Alabama

969
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: and that kind of dominance with those four receivers and

970
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: Naji Harris like that. It was incredible to watch, but

971
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: like the games would last three and a half minutes,

972
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: we were like, well onward in terms of other esthetically

973
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: pleasing offenses. I guess you know, the best of Deshaun

974
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: Watson and Clemson were pretty great, So I guess it's

975
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: that element of balanced power spread with incredible receivers and

976
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: whoever was able to somehow lock that in great. Those

977
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: were my team.

978
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: What style do you not like? Do you least enjoy watching? Right?

979
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I said, old school Army Navy. I really despised the

980
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: latter years of like less miles at LSU, just it

981
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: didn't feel like the offense had much cohesion to it.

982
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were. They would do the

983
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: sort of toss dive which I grew to love over

984
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: the years in the running game, and there were I

985
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: think some things that did really well, but it was

986
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: not esthetically pleasing and felt like it was all over

987
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: the place. What don't you like?

988
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't like offenses that are very clearly there to

989
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: serve the defense that you have these defensive head coaches

990
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: where you're just like, look, we want to keep the

991
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: defense rested, we want to keep the scores low, we

992
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: want to possess the ball, we want to wear down

993
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: the other team. I completely understand the aims and the

994
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: goals and the sensibility behind it. It's just not that

995
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: fun to watch run, run, play action to a tight end,

996
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: sneaking out for three yards on third and two or

997
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: something like that. It's not fun that kind of possession style.

998
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: It's not an under center thing. Because I've grown to

999
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: really love how the smarter NFL minds and even like

1000
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen a couple of years ago at Kentucky were

1001
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: able to use different formations and find mismatches, use fullbacks,

1002
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

1003
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: That's great. By me, be creative and find mismatches however

1004
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: you want to do it. But the like.

1005
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: Plotting, like not taking chances, like even like the Utah

1006
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: offense that these past few years under Andy Ludwig. It's

1007
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: undeniably successful, But if you're not able to generate bigger

1008
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: plays in the passing game in twenty two three when

1009
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: you can utilize RPO stuff, I just the Utah offense

1010
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: has not been fun to me. Successful but not a

1011
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: fun watch.

1012
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: I've got four more questions here, Dan, let's go back

1013
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: to Patreon, our good friend ween. Yeah, if you could

1014
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: take any job in college football commissioner, coach, cheerleading choreographer, yeah,

1015
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: medical staff, recruiting asle usher, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

1016
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: which would you pick? Oh my god, Shady bull Rep?

1017
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

1018
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: Just travel the country, expense everything, make a ton of

1019
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: money for doing very little, and look, all you have

1020
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: to do is not get caught up spending festabal funds

1021
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 2: on a strip club or something like that. Correct, Shady

1022
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: bull Rep. You get to wear it generally interesting blazers. Yeah,

1023
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: you get to go to games, you get to shake hands,

1024
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: you get to make money, for doing again.

1025
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: Very little.

1026
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: I think shady bull rep unless we're talking about you

1027
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: have to work for a team or a program in

1028
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: some fashion.

1029
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: That's my answer. What about the TV ref who comes

1030
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: out on the field the TV Well, see that's boring.

1031
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: You don't do much. You don't do much. You get

1032
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: paid like.

1033
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: The guy who wears the orange armband who alerts the crowd.

1034
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: You get paid. But James, but think of the power

1035
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: that you have in that position. Everybody in the stadium

1036
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: is waiting on you. They're watching you, waiting for you

1037
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: to step off the field. Yeah, you never really have

1038
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: to risk being criticized because you're just doing what the

1039
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: guy in the earphone tells you to do. You're not

1040
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: making calls, right, You're just sort of ushering the game,

1041
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: the broadcast along. You have all the power in the world,

1042
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: and you're out there on the field. The stadium stops

1043
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: waiting for you. You're asking me, there's no pressure, there's

1044
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: no pressure. There's no pressure, But you're asking me if

1045
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: I'd rather stand on the field, stand on my feet

1046
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: for four straight hours, to do something every few minutes

1047
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: of no consequence in terms of like brain power, whatever,

1048
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: or go somewhere every weekend and eat a seafood tower

1049
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: the night before a game on somebody else's dime. But

1050
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: you have more power if you're that TV rep.

1051
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't need the power. I just need

1052
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: the lifestyle. Tie lifestyle.

1053
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: What about operating the jumbo tron? It's fun, but you

1054
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: gotta be locked in, Tie. I know, but both you

1055
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: and I are I think, fully engaged when we do

1056
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: this show. Sure we have to be locked in to

1057
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: do this. We're not. Hm, well, maybe you are beneath

1058
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: where you'd need to be technically in order to do

1059
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: something of the silk operated JumboTron.

1060
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: That Listen, this is my challenge to you find a

1061
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: job you'd rather do than making three hundred and fifty

1062
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: thousand dollars working for the festival, eating super well, watching

1063
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: the game from a suite, and doing all of doing

1064
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: all of it every week.

1065
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I'm just saying this is

1066
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not my challenge for you, So it's my challenge

1067
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: for literally anybody. Find a better job in the sport

1068
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: than making way too much money to simply watch the game.

1069
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: Shake some hands, wear a golden blazer, and go to

1070
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: huge games just to see for yourself. If Alabama is

1071
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: Sugar Bowl worth it is the definition somehow of proactive

1072
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: passive income.

1073
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I'm open to it. If somebody can find

1074
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: a better job than that within the sport, I will

1075
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: admit defeat. But as it stands now, if you're making

1076
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: six figures doing that, you're in a good place.

1077
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Dan. Next question comes to us from a gentleman who

1078
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you apparently bumped into at the grocery store named David.

1079
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yes they did. Do you have any advice

1080
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: or thoughts on how to handle when you are invited

1081
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: out for something social on a college football Saturday when

1082
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: you'd rather be in front of a TV, oh, watching

1083
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot of games. I'm not talking about a clear

1084
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: obligation like a family event, taking care of your kids,

1085
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. More like a lunch that could

1086
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: easily just be another day, or a movie. Do you

1087
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: tell them the truth that you would rather watch football

1088
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: hang out with them some other point in time, or

1089
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: you just make something up. You say you have plans,

1090
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: keep it vague, right, They don't ask for details. He

1091
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: says he's now in his six decade of life and

1092
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: still struggles with this. Thank you, David. We will do

1093
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: our best to help you here. What's your answer, because

1094
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: we always kind of disagree. We do on we do

1095
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: social advice well for starters. We've been doing this a

1096
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: long time. We are, of course very skilled in the

1097
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: dark arts of Saturday misdirection. Yeah, we're okay at this,

1098
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: even if we differ on the strategy.

1099
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: Well, since you've become officially official, it's easy you have.

1100
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: You have a little more weight behind you. Yeah, first off,

1101
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: keep it vague.

1102
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: I keep it vague. Having other plans quote unquote other

1103
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: plans is usually good enough to get you off the hook.

1104
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: If it's not somebuddy who's gonna press you. Now we

1105
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: have plans. It's that works, I think the vast majority

1106
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: of the time. Sure. Two if that doesn't work, and

1107
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: if you are as conflict a versus I am feeling

1108
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: sick quote unquote feeling sick.

1109
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: Dude, I've got some gnarly diarrhea. I don't know if

1110
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: I can make I was.

1111
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: Gonna say, dropping some hints that it may be stomach

1112
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: related works one hundred percent of the time. Yeah, nobody

1113
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: wants to deal with that. Yeah, So I think if

1114
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: the vague stuff doesn't work, feeling stomach's not right, it's

1115
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: something that didn't agree with me. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah,

1116
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: that type of thing, David will that will almost always work.

1117
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: But it kicks the can down the road though. That's

1118
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: the problem. The problem is if if you get an

1119
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: invite from.

1120
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: He's not saying he doesn't want to hang out with

1121
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: these people. He's I say, I just want to hang

1122
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: out with them on Saturday. Right, So I think you

1123
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: either have to do one of two things. Either you

1124
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: have to be like, look, most Saturdays, I'm watching college football.

1125
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: What does your Sunday morning look like? What does your

1126
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: Friday night look like? Right?

1127
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: You just got to pivot to another day or another

1128
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: point in time. My best advice, aside from suggesting that

1129
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: you have gnarly diarrhea every Saturday at twelve thirty pm Eastern.

1130
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: That's weird. He keeps. I don't know what he's eating

1131
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: Friday night, but it is so hug time in his diet.

1132
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: It's pregostrous. I've done this a few times now. Again,

1133
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: this is different for me because I got to watch

1134
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: the games. This is the gig.

1135
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: If you like the person just say counter you want

1136
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: to pick up some meatball subs and watch Texas Alabama

1137
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: over at my place because I've been looking forward to

1138
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: this game for quite some time. I've done this. I

1139
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: just you people know that this is what I do.

1140
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: So it's not like I don't have to make something up.

1141
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: But it depends on the person. It depends on your

1142
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: personality as a game watcher, like Ty's out there tis

1143
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: a weird, weird Notre Dame game watcher. He has to

1144
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: sit in the same seat, he has to wear the

1145
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: same shirt, he has to sit with the same people.

1146
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: But provided if solid wife Kate says, hey, I know

1147
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: it's Saturday. I know you got to watch, but so

1148
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: and so is in town from Delaware and they kind

1149
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: of want to go out with us, Like Steve and Kathleen,

1150
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: do you feel comfortable saying, Hey, it's LSU Bama. It's huge,

1151
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: I gotta watch it. Can't really swing it, but I'm

1152
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: open to bringing in like a bunch of Mexican food

1153
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 2: and watching it with them. Is that not something because

1154
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: I've done that? Like I remember last last season, I

1155
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: think it was it was relative. It was a night game,

1156
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: but there was a bunch of games going on, including

1157
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: an Oregon game, and they're like and I remember Jody

1158
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: asking me like, is there a bunch of like big

1159
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: games or something, and there was like kind of, but

1160
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: not really, And I was like, just tell.

1161
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: Them to come over and watch games with us.

1162
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: We'll order like some takeout, and like they understand that

1163
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: I'm watching football, but like we have a big couch.

1164
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: Let's all watch football and hangout. And if you don't

1165
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: want to talk about if you don't want to watch

1166
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: and talk about it with your friend, don't.

1167
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's you know, I don't care who's

1168
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: on the couch as I watch football.

1169
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: Really if if they meet a certain like level of

1170
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: being fun to be around, I don't really care. But

1171
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: if it's somebody that like, it depends on where they

1172
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: are in your social circles. If it's somebody you're like,

1173
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: it's June whatever, I'll go out with them and you know,

1174
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: grab some Spanish foods.

1175
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: What if this is what if this is a Facebook

1176
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: friend that you're not not in contact with but you

1177
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: don't see regularly and they just decided, you know, let's

1178
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: get together. We haven't seen each other in forever. It'd

1179
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: be nice to connect and grab a sandwich.

1180
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: And this is not your me speaking that we have

1181
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: the excuse where we got to watch the games. If

1182
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: it's somebody who wants to reconnect, say, and you don't

1183
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: want to watch football with them, well you probably don't.

1184
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: Want to invite them over to their house to your house.

1185
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: Come on right, I just say, grab coffee with them

1186
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: in the morning before the game start. If you're not

1187
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: on the West coast, or you know, go to work

1188
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: late on Friday or do it Sunday morning. I don't

1189
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: think you.

1190
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: Really need to to like lie about having gnarly diarrhea

1191
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: other plays.

1192
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: I think you pick your time other plans man, David

1193
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: just telling me you got other plans. Yeah, but if

1194
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: you like them, if you like them, have them over. Yeah,

1195
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: if you like them, have them over. Otherwise, vague plans

1196
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: usually does a trick. If that doesn't do the trick,

1197
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: then you know, gnarly diarrhea always on the table.

1198
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: But if you are a bad game watcher, if you

1199
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: are a Wisconsin fan and it's Wisconsin Michigan, and you

1200
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: are constantly yelling at the TV, and you are throwing

1201
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: things and you are burying your face in a pillow

1202
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: on huge moments and you are generally acting like all

1203
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: of us do at some point as college football fans,

1204
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: and you don't want to expose that person to that

1205
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: side of you. Don't have them over, don't have them over.

1206
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: But if if you feel confident that you are just

1207
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: watching this game because you're interested and you don't have

1208
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: directly personal stakes, like it's Lsubama, but you're neither an

1209
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: LSU fan nor a Bama pan, but you've been looking

1210
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: forward to this game for three weeks, like, Hey, I'm

1211
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: actually really looking forward to this game, Like would you

1212
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: want to get some takeout and come over? I think

1213
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: that's fine if you like them. If you like and

1214
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: you're not a horse's ass because you're watching your team

1215
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: play a big game. I say that because I am

1216
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: a horse's ass watching big Oregon games and Tye is

1217
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: a horse's ass watching big Notre Dame games.

1218
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's it's case by case, but.

1219
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: I say, err on the side of being social if

1220
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: you like them, And again, gnarly diarrhea, if you just

1221
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 2: cannot find anything else in your mind.

1222
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Tie watching his team's ploral play has decidedly less polished

1223
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: than the podcasting personat's but.

1224
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: You're much more pronounced with Notre Dame in terms of

1225
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: your emotions.

1226
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: Many F bombs, many F bombs to say the prist.

1227
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: So if you watch, if you're watching Penn State, unless

1228
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: it's like, how were.

1229
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: You during Penn State USC and the Rose Bowl? Are

1230
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: you a wreck? I was going back and forth. Now

1231
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: that was just a fun game. And it's an exhibition game.

1232
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: It's an exhibition game. Oh no, it's the Rose Bulls

1233
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: something else. Okay, two final questions here. Selfishly, I needed

1234
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: to ask this one from Will on Instagram. Okay, would

1235
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: you ever consider a soliverbal Golf Invitational? Hmm? Man? Would

1236
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: I love to do this? Dan? Okay, I would to

1237
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: do this. I would need your ya. I don't know. See,

1238
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: this is why I wanted to volley this one over

1239
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: to you. I would just like to play in it.

1240
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I get very intense about these

1241
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: types of things. I would play in this and I'd

1242
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: be all smiles and happy to have people there, and

1243
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: I would want to win. I'd want to cut everyone's

1244
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: hard out and win. That's just who I am. I

1245
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't show it, but I think it would cloud my

1246
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 1: ability to put together a good tournament. You are, I think,

1247
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: between the two of us, the master of hospitality, not

1248
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: just with the pizza, but just in general. Right, you're

1249
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: inviting people over that you barely know how to watch

1250
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: football with you. You're better at this than I am,

1251
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: So help me put this together. How do we do that?

1252
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not saying I barely know them. I'm just

1253
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: saying they're friends that I'm just going to turn down

1254
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: going out to dinner on a Saturday night during the season.

1255
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: But I don't care. They can come over. So what

1256
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: what makes for a good hypothetical golf invitational? Are we

1257
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: inviting people to play like listeners other than like I

1258
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: think we need other college football podcasters. Well, how does

1259
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: it generally work? Usually like golf tournament invitational stuff, It's

1260
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: like it's either a charity thing where you have to

1261
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: donate a certain amount of money. And that's how it

1262
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: usually works within the college football universe. Right, It's a

1263
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: bunch of donors and.

1264
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: You get to be in you know, Chip Kelly or

1265
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: Nick Saban's forsome if you are like on a super tier.

1266
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: So in this situation, I think you have to donate

1267
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of money to us to get into the

1268
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: tie Forsome. I don't golf, so I'm just there. I'll

1269
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: just be the You're the MC, I'm the Marshall Tie.

1270
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm just skipping around the course in my cart, shaking

1271
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: hands and yelling at people. Yeah, I'm the MC. I'll

1272
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: introduce people at the first t from north have Ben

1273
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 2: salved Yeah, thank you. I'm happy to do that. Uh yeah,

1274
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: I think listeners, you got to cap it at a

1275
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: certain point. There has to be some sort of entry fee.

1276
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: There has to be some kind of uh I think

1277
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: dress code of some kind.

1278
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: I think like you.

1279
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: Have to wear a team polo right to show your

1280
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: allegiance college football thing. I think you got to have

1281
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: a food element to it, you know, on the nineteenth

1282
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: hole whatever, And I don't know what else. I don't

1283
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: I wonder like if you would have final approval and

1284
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: the tie Forsome, because that's obviously the most coveted.

1285
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: That's the most coveted spot. But I mean, who else

1286
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: would we invite? Would it just be solid verbal people,

1287
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: would we extend the writers? Whoever?

1288
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody in the college college football media members? Sure

1289
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: where would this be though? Because as as lovely as

1290
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure your part of the world is it couldn't

1291
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: be here, I don't. I just think there's not a

1292
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: lot of the combination of listeners congregating and media members congregating,

1293
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: So like, would it be in Houston for the national Championship?

1294
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, where is the spot where we

1295
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: could get everybody to go willingly?

1296
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 2: Well, we have a bunch of listeners in Texas college

1297
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 2: football media members will be in Houston, right, that's where

1298
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: this upcoming national championship is.

1299
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Correct? Yes, correct.

1300
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: It's a warmer part of the country in January, even

1301
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: though it's probably not going to be scorched earth, it's

1302
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna be warm. So it's not like we're having this

1303
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: golf invitational in Minneapolis or Indianapolis or any of the

1304
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 2: palass Police's come National Championship time. So that would be

1305
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 2: my guess as the thing that makes the most sense.

1306
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: Has there been a US Open in.

1307
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: The Houston area recently?

1308
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: Because I'd want to get you on like a legit,

1309
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,480
Speaker 2: let me see US Open golf.

1310
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: It might be somewhere down there next year. Is that true?

1311
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: I believe, So let's see, I'm looking it up right now.

1312
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: If there's been a recent I believe next Cypress Creek.

1313
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: Is that something you've heard of? In nineteen sixty nine,

1314
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: Houston hosted the US Open. I'm looking right now. Dallas

1315
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: had one in nineteen fifty two, for Worth had one

1316
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty one. There have been three US Opens

1317
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: in Texas. There was a recent tournament in Houston, though, right,

1318
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 2: wasn't there a recent?

1319
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: Well they have them there every so often. No, why

1320
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not next year? Maybe I saw something else. All right,

1321
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: let's move on anyway. If you have suggestions for that

1322
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: sOliver budgeting, I do tennis.

1323
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to name a college football media member who

1324
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,440
Speaker 2: can beat me at tennis.

1325
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1326
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm the best. I just need somebody

1327
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: to tell me.

1328
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: Somebody to posit a theory like is Andy Roddick now

1329
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: covering college football, he'll destroy me. But if you're pairing

1330
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: me against anybody covering that, like, I'm pretty confident. I

1331
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel confidence wise in the golf world,

1332
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: because so many more people golf, especially like golf, middle aged,

1333
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: covering the sport.

1334
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: More people golf. I could hold my own current handicap.

1335
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: You're about a seven right.

1336
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: Now, it's still being firmed up, but I'm probably I

1337
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: probably am down to closer to a five. Okay, all right,

1338
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: so I get a hold my own. I don't know

1339
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: if I could beat everybody, but I think that a

1340
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: great idea.

1341
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: I think if we can do well better than most,

1342
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: that's what no. Laying up better than most, better than most,

1343
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: I think we do. Houston's got the food, it's got

1344
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: the weather, it's got the college football people, it's got

1345
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: the listeners. We have to figure out. Maybe that's our

1346
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,480
Speaker 2: move next year to have that invitational.

1347
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: Final question from Chaka over on Patreon. What is the

1348
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: complaint in the comments you get most regularly over the

1349
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: years that you just don't get either because it's not

1350
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 1: true or you just aren't sure of the genesis? Said complaint? Okay,

1351
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: thank you, Chaka. Okay. I have learned how personal college

1352
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: football is for people, how central it is to one's identity,

1353
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: So I would say to that end, the comments tend

1354
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: to be a lot like the Amazon reviews, where people

1355
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: focus on the very specific things that are meaningful to

1356
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:03,440
Speaker 1: them and perhaps nobody else, Like the product was great,

1357
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: but if you're over six', three one star would not.

1358
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: Recommend we have had a couple comments like that, RECENTLY

1359
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: i think From minnesota fans, who in my, opinion are

1360
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: overvaluing The greek Freak Athan kelliacmanus and therefore kind of

1361
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: throw out our entire thesis ON. Pj fleck and The

1362
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: Golden gophers in twenty. Thirteen all this is. Okay i'm

1363
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: not complaining about the feedback or anything like, that but

1364
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: this is what makes the sport. Great these are the

1365
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: types of COMPLAINTS i think we get more often than.

1366
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: Not it's not on the products. Sucks it's you got

1367
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: this one specific thing wrong and we don't agree with

1368
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: everything because of, it WHICH i get. Right the general

1369
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: complaint that we have gotten over the years THAT i

1370
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: know where it comes. FROM i understand why we get,

1371
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: it BUT i know it is not true is when people, say,

1372
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: oh he didn't you didn't do the. Research this guy

1373
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: he hasn't always talking about, it didn't do the.

1374
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: Research let me share a thing about this. Job maybe

1375
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: you're just bad at. Researching maybe you did. That maybe

1376
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: you're just bad at.

1377
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: It maybe that's. Possible, yeah but all we do is. Research,

1378
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: okay that is the dirty secret about. This all we

1379
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: do is. Research we're pretty, GOOD i think in front of.

1380
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: Microphones we get along and we like each other and

1381
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: we can make all this sound. Good but we don't

1382
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: have producers helping us with the, info with the, audio the,

1383
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: video any of that. Stuff it is all we do

1384
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: most of the week is research to get ready for this,

1385
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: show sometimes better than. Others but that's the one. Complaint

1386
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: that's the one that you see from time to. Time

1387
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: i'm sure everybody else who's involved in this world gets

1388
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: the same. Thing, oh do your, research do your. Research

1389
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking. About do plenty of.

1390
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: Research doesn't always come out the way we. Want but

1391
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: trust me WHEN i say we do plenty of.

1392
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: Research, YEAH i don't really have a good answer for.

1393
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: This it's not a cop out. Answer, like people are

1394
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 2: extremely personal about their. Team so if we say something

1395
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: that don't like or agree with about their, team they're.

1396
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: Not gonna like. It why the whole thing goes? Away?

1397
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah guess what if somebody says something About Notre dame

1398
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: Or Penn state that you don't appreciate or agree, with.

1399
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: Dead you're dead to, me right?

1400
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 2: Dead SO i kind of understand all the, complaints right, That,

1401
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,959
Speaker 2: like we have, to to the best of our, ability

1402
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: learn about teams and situations and then formulate, opinions not,

1403
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: takes but, opinions, like, okay is this? Meaningful this is

1404
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: not meaningful if you're a fan of a. Team college

1405
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: football is crazy. Tribal this is not lost on us

1406
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: that you are going to dislike us or the show

1407
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: if we say something that you perceive to be biased

1408
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: or against your, Team like IF i say something Because

1409
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: i'm An oregon fan THAT i, AM i don't hide

1410
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: that fact THAT i went To. Oregon i'm going a

1411
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 2: proud alumnus AND i root for The, ducks and so

1412
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 2: as An oregon, fan it feels good When oregon Beats.

1413
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: Washington it feels good When oregon BEATS usc Or Oregon

1414
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: state or one of those. Things BUT i like to

1415
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: THINK i can still say, yes that duo Of washington

1416
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: receivers is, Incredible like they're, linebackers they're, like they're, great

1417
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: and so it doesn't matter To washington fans because they

1418
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: already no have An oregon. Fans but they've made up

1419
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: their mind about, me and that's, cool that's, okay it

1420
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: doesn't keep me up at. Night so a long time,

1421
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: AGO i, learned, like, look everybody's not for. Everybody and

1422
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: so if you like this show on a certain, level

1423
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 2: you either Like tie enough to put up with, me

1424
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: or you like me enough to put up With, tie

1425
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: or you just like both of. Us and if you

1426
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 2: don't like the, show that's cool, too because it's. Personal

1427
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: you have your choice about who to listen to when

1428
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: you're doing the, dishes when you're working, out when you're

1429
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 2: on a, plane. Whatever everybody's not for. Everybody and so

1430
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: WHILE i believe that there have been times, like, look

1431
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: we're talking about THIS Nc State maryland, game This Texas

1432
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: Texas tech game with some kind of, authority even though

1433
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: we didn't watch every, snap and that's clear to. Somebody

1434
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: that sucks to us to feel that way that we're

1435
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: talking about a game that we didn't watch every snap.

1436
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: Of we're doing the best we possibly, can and that

1437
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: means hours upon hours of trying to ingest as much

1438
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: information as. Possible but, otherwise, No i'm not going to

1439
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: say somebody's complaint isn't. Valid it's a personal.

1440
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 1: Thing it's a personal and, look here here's WHAT i

1441
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: come back, to AND i think we can close out on. This,

1442
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: yeah WHAT i appreciate about even the complaints that most of,

1443
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: them the overwhelming, majority or are very. Constructive they disagree

1444
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: with something we, said BUT i think to a, comment

1445
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: it's because people care about college. Football of, course you

1446
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't be motivated enough to post the comment or the

1447
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: feedback or the complaint if you didn't care about your,

1448
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: team if you didn't care about college. Football and, look

1449
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: might not be for, everybody but those are the exact

1450
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: type of people that we want to listen to this

1451
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: show because you care about this thing as much as we,

1452
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: do and that's what makes the whole thing. Fun so thank. You.

1453
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, look if you don't Like, tie first of, all

1454
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 2: you're pretty. Stupid tie's the.

1455
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: BEST i, mean if you don't Like, tie that's.

1456
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: Okay if you don't like, me that's, okay, Right and

1457
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that you just can't. Control

1458
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: you just you gotta do your very. Best and if

1459
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 2: you Think i'm a food snob who talks too much

1460
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: about food and is An oregon homer and makes fun

1461
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: Of mario crystaball and does, what, fine that's. OKAY i

1462
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: can only go with what's in my, stomach what's in my,

1463
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: gut what's in my. Brain we all are who we,

1464
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: are and you either like it or you. Don't AND

1465
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: i sleep really really, well, tie BECAUSE i.

1466
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: Really really pulling out the sleep.

1467
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: Card all, Right, no, no, no you let me finish a. Sentence,

1468
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: oh please sleep really really well BECAUSE i have a

1469
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: great time with. You i'm proud of the show that we.

1470
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: Do and when you have the kind of gnarly diarrhea THAT.

1471
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: I have all of the time Every, saturday it's crazy.

1472
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: HYDRATED i have an empty, stomach AND i just sleep

1473
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: like a. Baby so, no that's my. Answer there's there's

1474
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 2: no complaint that irks me because LIKE i can't control, that,

1475
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: RIGHT i can do the BEST i can, do and

1476
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 2: that's WHAT i.

1477
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: Do the research one irks me from time to, time

1478
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 1: but by and, LARGE i know a kay understand that

1479
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 1: it comes from a good place for most. People but

1480
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: you also know you also know that if you preview

1481
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: a game and you, SAY i Think nebraska's garbage and

1482
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: overrated and they're going to lose To Michigan, state and somebody, comments,

1483
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: oh doesn't do his, research doesn't know The nebraska's you,

1484
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: know they've been beat, up but now they're going to

1485
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: be healthier and they never lose To Michigan, state and

1486
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: then they lose To Michigan. State oh, ya you do

1487
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: not get that follow? Up, now you do not get the, like,

1488
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: well you know that's on, Me Maya. KULPA i Guess

1489
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: ty did do his research and upon further, reflection his

1490
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: take was pretty well thought. Out you don't get those that.

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