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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Casual Fridays. I'm Holly Fry. I'm Tracy Wilson. Tracy. This

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Speaker 1: week we talked about tarot cards, sure did, which is

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Speaker 1: something I've wanted to talk about for a while, and

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Speaker 1: I have often walked up to the edge of it

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Speaker 1: and then backed away because it is a very big topic,

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Speaker 1: which I paired down a whole bunch because you can

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Speaker 1: go down an avenue for days. Um, do you have

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Speaker 1: any tarot cards? No, not currently. I had. When I

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Speaker 1: was in my twenties, I had a deck and I

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Speaker 1: could not tell you now what was on it. I

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Speaker 1: had bought it probably at a like like a New

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Speaker 1: a G bookstore in Asheville, North Carolina, would have been

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Speaker 1: the source of bad deck. I'm almost certain I don't

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Speaker 1: have it anymore like that. I will like appreciate the

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Speaker 1: visual beauty of people's deck designs, but it has not

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Speaker 1: been a thing that I have felt compelled to purchase

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Speaker 1: for myself since then. Yeah. Um, it's one of those

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Speaker 1: things like I have purchased a number of decks over

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Speaker 1: the years or have gotten them because of the art

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Speaker 1: on them. UM, So mine are all a little bit

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Speaker 1: like I couldn't read you a a tarot spread to

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Speaker 1: save my life. UM. But I have like a really

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Speaker 1: fun deck that is all um, prominent figures of Victorian England.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Um lots of Queen Victoria and the

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Speaker 1: family Oscar Wilde shows up, all of the all of

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Speaker 1: the key players. I have one that is one of

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful things on the planet in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: It's by a company called Boba Studio. They make these

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Speaker 1: really beautiful art tarot decks and it's the Baroque Bohemian

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Speaker 1: Cats tarots, so it's cats in beautiful eight century gowns.

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Speaker 1: And I think I've seen that one and I love it.

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Speaker 1: And then I have a deck that is just the

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Speaker 1: major arcana but it's all Cartoon Network characters. That's also fun,

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Speaker 1: so fun. Um. And I have one that's on the

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Speaker 1: way that just got released this year that's a Nightmare

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Speaker 1: before Christmas. So obviously like I'm in it for the

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Speaker 1: silly art, but yeah, it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: it's It's been interesting and one of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: finally bubbled this up is because I've had a couple

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Speaker 1: of friends this year mentioned UM that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: start studying tarot practices that are more based in meditation

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Speaker 1: UM and how it's like a tool for meditation for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I was like, Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: indeed that is the thing that people do. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: for the day. Yeah, it's one of those things, right.

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Speaker 1: I always love a little UM kind of prompt based

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Speaker 1: meditation because I'm one of those people that has a

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Speaker 1: hard time with an inroad to meditation. I'm not very

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Speaker 1: still by nature. It's a little bit when people say

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Speaker 1: clear your mind, I kind of get scared. And I

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Speaker 1: know most meditation in the modern era is not that

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Speaker 1: it's just about like being with your being with your

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Speaker 1: mind and stillness, etcetera. But UM, something like that makes

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Speaker 1: right head space. So I it made me think about

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Speaker 1: it more and I was like, oh, I should pull

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Speaker 1: out all of those pretty decks of cars that I

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Speaker 1: have that are just sitting in a little wardrobe in

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Speaker 1: my sewing room with beautiful books that go with them. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so this made me think about those I also, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I do get very fascinated by all of

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Speaker 1: the like times over the years. Right, you are a

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Speaker 1: like I'm sure you, like me, growing up probably experienced

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Speaker 1: my mother's side of the family, in particular, there was

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Speaker 1: like it's it's just a game. You could just play

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Speaker 1: a game if you wanted tarot cards and uh. And

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Speaker 1: like weege boards, which similarly are like, that's a game

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Speaker 1: that became associated with accult. Yeah. It says a lot

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Speaker 1: about how quickly humans adapt their thinking to engage with

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Speaker 1: the unknowable in the way that they It's like we

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Speaker 1: I think this was an ancient Egyptian wisdom men magic book,

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Speaker 1: if anybody you know does use them for divination, that's

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Speaker 1: been to tarot card readings on occasion. They're quite fun.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I have I had a Tara reading. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I definitely did. I had this like really involved Tara reading.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that was when somebody did my astrology chart.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole different thing. Um. But then I remembered

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Speaker 1: um that we did for fun at the Renaissance Festival,

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Speaker 1: not the year you and I ran into each other

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Speaker 1: still look back on that particular reading with a little

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Speaker 1: insights that were a little astonishing to me at the time,

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Speaker 1: not the kinds of things were like a cold reading

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Speaker 1: guests would play out like it literally, she like laid

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Speaker 1: Brian will back me up. He was there, you have

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Speaker 1: two bosses and you're caught in the middle and it's

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Speaker 1: making you really miserable. And are they related? And it

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Speaker 1: the art alone is like where it's at for me.

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Speaker 1: I love seeing new interpretations of decks. UM. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: if you collect tarot cards, send me your pictures, because

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Speaker 1: you know, I always like some visuals. Sure, guys, I

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Speaker 1: hope everybody is having a good October. The second episode

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Speaker 1: They will come here for military history and they will

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Speaker 1: get me just saying black shock over and over. They

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Speaker 1: don't want that. This is one of those things where um,

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Speaker 1: want to make sure we recognize that. You know, things

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Speaker 1: Got a look at look at the black dogs and kiddies.

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Speaker 1: it's interesting, right. I grew up with dogs. I'm an

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Speaker 1: That's clearly a dog that wanted to come and see us.

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Speaker 1: and some of them are learning to be sociable. UM know. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: you mean? Dogs are amazing? Um? But I get it.

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