WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Jason Takes Manhattan 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:15.320 Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.040 Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And uh, Rob, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.479 we got one of your your famous calendar tie ins 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:26.640 today because today is a Friday, we are finally doing 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:32.000 a Friday movie. And uh, of of the original series, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.760 what could we pick except Jason Takes Manhattan, the one 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.680 where Jason goes to New York years after the Muppets did. Now. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.479 A lot of times on this show we dig up 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.080 obscure weirdness that not many people have ever seen. Uh 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.120 and sometimes the Sometimes we find the diamonds that are hidden, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.720 you know, wonderful little gyms of movies that are that 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.720 are little known. Sometimes we find stuff that is not 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.880 so great but funny. In this series, we're going in 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.320 a very different direction because as weird as the Friday 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.399 the Thirteenth series is, and if you really like examine 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.080 the contents of the series, it is a bizarre phenomenon. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.759 We should not forget that these movies were immensely popular. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:21.440 These hockey mask horror movies made hundreds of millions of 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.680 dollars in total, which is a lot for a horror franchise, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.480 And I believe until uh, maybe just recently, Friday, a 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.759 movie about a guy in a hockey mask who walks 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.959 around stabbing people, was the highest grossing horror franchise of 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.800 all time. And you know, Rob, you and I as 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.959 horror fans, probably have different types of movies we think 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.640 of when we consider the genre as an ideal what 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.200 is horror? Maybe some of your your favorite maybe the 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.880 classy or horror movies come to mind. But in the 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.920 general culture for decades from the eighties probably through the 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.840 two thousands, if you said horror as a genre, I 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.560 would say the average American would be more likely to 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.880 think of Friday the Thirteenth and Jason Vorhees than anything else. Yeah, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.320 these movies were big money. Uh, they were everywhere. Um. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.320 And and I think you know, to your point about 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.520 about weirdness, um, just as we have to remind ourselves 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.440 that that very popular things can still be very good, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.160 very popular movies can still be quite weird in a 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.680 number of ways. And with these Friday the Thirteenth films 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.520 in particular, I think it's very easy to either absorb 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.000 them through pop culture or cable viewing and just allow 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.240 it all to be sort of refined down to just 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.440 the core scares, the kills in each film, sort of 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.880 physical incarnation of Jason Vorhees. But there's there's a load 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.600 of additional funky weirdness that absolutely should not be overlooked 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.240 in in many, if not all, of the films. Yeah, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.120 So are the Friday the Thirteenth movies good? Uh? Not? Really? 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.400 Are they? Are they classy? Certainly? Not that I mean 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.440 they I think they meet the definition of tracksh by 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.440 by pretty much anybody's standard. But are they kind of 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.200 interesting to watch and talk about, especially when you think 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.680 about their place in the culture. Absolutely? Yeah. I The 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.560 thing about the Friday the Thirteen films is that I 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.560 grew up hearing about them from other kids, like an 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.560 elementary school. Though I didn't see them, but this is 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.720 one of the things that was talked about. Certain kids 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.160 had the lore, had the knowledge, and they would share 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.040 with the others. And and I do remember later catching 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.480 parts of them on late night TV during I guess 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.040 late elementary early middle school. My family lived in the 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.560 country for part of this, very close to a large 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.360 lake in fact, so so frankly these films um and 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.800 and they were all Crystal Lake episodes installments that I 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.080 was catching parts of it this this time. Uh, they 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.720 terrified me because Jason seemed very much like this creature 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.600 of the woods and the wilds that could potentially emerge 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.760 out of the dark at any moment, in the darkness 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.800 surrounding my house. Oh. Absolutely, he is one of the 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.120 He is a nature spirit. He you know, he is 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.600 born or he's like radigas the brown. He's like one 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.480 of these figures that belongs to the trees and the critters. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.800 He's kind of a he's kind of a a murderous 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:18.320 tom bomba dill Um. So you know, I think that 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:23.560 maybe the my my childhood fear or in in certainly 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.560 maybe apprehensions concerning this character, Uh, maybe they've led over 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.359 into my adult life as well, because prior to this week, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.400 the only Friday the thirteenth film that had actually set 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.160 down and watched from beginning to end was two thousand 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.520 one's Jason X, which of course is awesome obviously a 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:45.719 late franchise detour, and when you you picked Jason Takes Manhattan, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.919 I was like, Okay, I'm definitely gonna watch this one obviously, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.600 but since this one's also kind of a a detour 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.640 obviously styles itself as a detour. I was like, Okay, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.599 I need to watch another one as well. The Blu 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.960 ray disc that I rented from Video Drome here in 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.200 Atlanta had Part seven The New Blood on it as well, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.440 so I decided to give that one to go. So 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.479 I watched two Friday the Thirteenth films this week in 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.440 preparation for this discussion. I'm gonna go ahead and say 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.280 that I think Part seven is a better movie than 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.360 the one we're talking about today, pretty much, hands down. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.240 But I think Part eight is a more appropriate pick 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.479 because of how bizarrely it upsets the formula while still 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:31.080 being incredibly predictable. Yeah. I really enjoyed both of them. Um. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.000 I mean because New Blood you have Tina, the telekinetic 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.160 gal um, you know, whipon butt. Uh, you know the 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.360 final portion of the film anyway. Um, I think there's 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.760 some share DNA between these two films. Uh. But while 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.920 the first one was definitely a Crystal Lake movie, this 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.240 one takes us to Manhattan and well that's that's that's 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.320 the cell anyway, right. It sort of does. So one 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.480 of the famous things about Jason takes Manhattan is. I 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.359 was watching it with Rachel and she had a pretty 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.280 good one. She said, Uh, she sometimes calls it Jason 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:08.040 takes a long time to get to Manhattan, which, yeah, 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.320 you could also call it Jason takes boat. This movie 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.359 has something in common with Eliminators, which we did I 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.920 don't know, maybe a month or two ago. A movie 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.000 that you think is gonna be about a man droid, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.080 a scientist, a mercenary, a ninja out there getting in 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.960 fights and stuff, and they do that a little bit. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.200 But really what the movie mostly is is about a boat. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.200 It's about a boat going up a river. And that's 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.640 the same thing here. You think Jason's gonna take Manhattan, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.040 he gets there in the last fifteen minutes or so. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.479 The rest of the movie is a boat. Yeah, but 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.160 the but the last fifteen minutes or so is really strong, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.560 and when we'll get to that, well, I guess the 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.760 secondary critique is also when he gets to Manhattan, it's 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:53.680 mostly not actually Manhattan but Vancouver. Um. Yeah, yeah, the 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.400 there's a lot of Canadians to this film, and certainly 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.160 in the cast, so that'd be fun to tell talk 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.000 about in a bit. But but hey, we should slow 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.440 down here, because first of all, I'm not an expert 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.120 on this genre. I've only seen the three films and 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.480 then bits and pieces stitched together through my my childhood 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.520 cable viewing UM and also the audience out here, not 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.239 everyone out there really knows the full history, the full 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.920 mythos of Jason Vorhees, Joe, can you give us a 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.000 a previously on Friday walk through here? Oh? Yes I can. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.480 Maybe I'll start with some some general thoughts and then 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.280 go movie by movie. So the first thing I would 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.920 say is that the Friday the Thirteenth series begins as 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.080 a rip off of Halloween, as basically all modern slasher 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.800 franchises too. So you had you had John Carpenter's Halloween, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.400 which is actually a great movie, but it gave rise 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.240 to all of these copycat series which are about a 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.800 guy with a mask and a knife chasing people around, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.000 usually usually young attractive people who are up to no 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.560 good at chasing them around and killing them one by one. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.240 But most of these follow up series of major differences 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.920 from Halloween, one of which is that they're just generally 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.960 not as good as filmmaking products. You know that they 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.280 don't have that visual flare, but Another thing is that 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.640 when you watch Halloween, it is a great experience of 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.480 of heightened suspense. You know, It's it's like you you 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.560 are deeply worried for the fates of the characters and 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.240 you want them to escape Michael Myers, you know, he's 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.280 chasing them around, and you're on the edge of your seat. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.120 This is less the case with the series that follow 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.880 where I would say the tension is notably lower, and 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.440 I would say most audience members are far going to 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.160 be far less concerned about the fates of the characters 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.200 who Jason is chasing around. You're just not that upset 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.199 when Wayne in this movie gets thrown into a circuit 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.360 board or whatever. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.720 hallmarks of of of the franchise, isn't it That you 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.480 have certain types of victims. Uh. And we see this 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.560 beyond Friday their Cather as well. But there are characters 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:00.079 that were clearly either supposed to morbidly want Jay and 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.559 to kill Um or that we're less less concerned with. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.079 You know, there's some they're definitely there's definitely some fodder 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.360 in any of these films. There are a number of 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:10.920 kills that have to you have to sort of get 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.240 them out of the way, hopefully creatively, before you move 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:19.480 on to your your final girl and some of the 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.920 the later survivors, right, and so that's another common element 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.360 of these slasher movies is they will usually have a 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.160 main character, often referred to in the literature as the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.440 final Girl, who is typically a cut above the other 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.280 characters in terms of virtues, Like, whereas all of the 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.760 other characters are kind of dumb and mean and just 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.319 want to want to do bad, the final girl is 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.800 usually presented as more virtuous in some way. Yeah yeah, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.720 because you almost inevitably have the bad girl earlier on 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.200 who gets Yeah wait, okay, so I should actually recap 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.000 the movies. So warning they're going to be spoilers for 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.240 about seven movies. Uh in a moment here, but uh, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.320 I don't, I don't. I mean, are you really that 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.400 concerned about what happens at the end of the Friday 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.880 thirteenth movies? Okay? So the first movie establishes the premise 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.400 you have counselors at Camp Crystal Lake. This is a 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.040 summer camp on a lake. The counselors are pretty much 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.840 as always like, uh, young good looking people who like drugs, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:22.240 and promiscuity. So throughout the first movie, these counselors are 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.319 attacked and killed by an unknown assailant, somebody who's whose 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.360 face is hidden. But then at the very end of 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.120 the movie, there's kind of a twist because you get 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.760 a little bit of Jason lore. There are stories of 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.520 a boy who drowned in the lake years ago, but 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.200 maybe he's still out there. But at the end of 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.960 the movie, the killer is actually revealed to be Mrs Vorhees, 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:46.000 played by an actress named Betsy Palmer, whose son Jason 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.800 drowned in the lake years ago because the camp counselors 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.440 were partying instead of paying attention when the children were swimming, 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.120 and so she's on a on a psychotic quest of revenge. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.719 And at the end of the movie, Mrs Vorhees is 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.360 b headed by the final girl. And then we also 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.120 get that that scene right where Jason, the child mutant 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.679 or zombie like jumps out of the lake and pull 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.520 somebody out of a boat, right like this is a 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.400 This is a great sequence and is frequently referenced or 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:19.480 celebrated in Isolation online. So I think it's actually been 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.280 a while since I've seen the first movie, but I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.400 think this is presented or at least perhaps interpreted as 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.320 a dream or a vision. So the final girl has 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.280 survived the ordeal, she cuts off the killer's head, and 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.480 then she's like floating in a boat on the lake, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.520 and then there's this horrible vision of the kid popping 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.440 out of the lake at her. But I don't know 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.480 if that's I don't think it's supposed to be taken 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.880 as something that literally happens. Okay, but it's still It's 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.360 good going into our discussion of Jason Takes Manhattan, that 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.760 that dreams, hallucinations, visions are part of the franchise from 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.120 the get go, So what what what can you do? 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.079 In the second movie, the killer was beheaded at the 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.440 end of the first one. Well, actually second movie says 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.080 scratch all that Jason is not head. He is now 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.080 a grown man, and he runs around murdering camp counselors, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.080 still in his a live state, wearing a bag over 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:11.240 his head, and he worships a shrine containing his mother's 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.880 severed head. From the first movie. It's got like candles 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.920 all around it. Oh wow, I don't think I've seen 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.200 this one, but this all sounds really solid, even if 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:24.240 Jason has not really finalized his his headwear situation just yet. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.640 Oh yeah, so the hockey mask is not here yet. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.080 It's a sack sack head for this one. Um, you know, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.880 I'm gonna say in my personal taste, like the second 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.640 and third movies, I don't know if they're silly enough 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.480 to to achieve the maximum uh fun of this series. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.760 Yet that happens more once it gets supernatural. We're not 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.200 there yet. So third movie, Jason's back. He runs around 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.040 murdering people hanging out at Crystal Lake. Except in this 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.840 movie he trades the bag over his head for a 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.800 hockey mask, which was I believe brought along to the 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.720 lake just by one of the characters. There's just like 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.880 a joker guy who's into practical jokes and pranks and 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.800 he brings along hockey mask. Jason is like, you wink, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.480 I will take that, and he wears it for the 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.040 entire rest of the series. Well as we do. I 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.160 think we discussed this in one of our past Halloween 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.360 episodes of Stuff to Blow your mind that, like the 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.920 hockey masks is great on so many levels because it 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.920 kind of looks like a skull. It kind of looks 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.079 like a death's head. And I don't know if you 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.120 if you know the answer to this, but I've often wondered, 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.839 like where why did they switch to the hockey mask? 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.440 Like I wonder is it a response to The Road Warrior, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.360 which features this villain name Lord Humongous who's super beefy 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.200 and wears a hockey mask. Um. I'm also aware that 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.960 there are some horror at the end exploitation predecessors involving 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.560 hockey mask Alone in the Dark, which is very interesting 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.960 looking film came out the same year as Part three. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.680 But then there's also a non slasher exploitation film titled 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.400 Acts of Vengeance from seventy four that incorporated a hockey mask. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.000 So I don't personally know like where this really came from. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.000 I don't know either, Um, no idea really all right, Well, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.880 any of you Friday to thirteenth buffs out there, who 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.960 if you have an answer or just a theory, certainly 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.120 right in and let us know. Oh oh, and I 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.600 forgot to mention a major feature of the third movie, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.000 which is that it is Friday Part three D, so 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.720 it's in three D and there are glorious scenes of 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.840 people like holding a coffee mug out toward the camera, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.520 or poking a clothes line, uh pole toward the camera, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.320 or like popcorn popping out of a pot toward the camera. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.360 It's it's riveting stuff anyway. So, uh, third movie, I 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.280 think at the end of this the final girl hits 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.440 him in the head with an axe. So Jason, is 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.240 he dead? Well, nope, he comes back in the fourth movie. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:49.040 Uh mad slasher behavior continues, but this time Jason goes 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.800 up against a character named Tommy Jarvis, a child played 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.080 by Corey Feldman who his main character trait is he 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.840 enjoys making tom Savini monster masks. That's like Bobby and 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.720 so oh, and the fourth movie also has Crispin Glover 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.120 in it. But Jason just yeah, Jason just runs around 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.760 attacking misbehaving teens. And then at the end of the movie, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.160 Corey Feldman uh whacks him in the head with a machete. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.280 So he's dead, Okay, dead the end, But I mean 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.120 he's been whacked in the head with an axe before, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.640 so I don't know what's different about this time. I 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.400 guess it's that you kind of see the machete like 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.880 chop off basically an entire half of his head. Okay, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.280 so severe blow to the brain got you. Uh. The 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.920 fifth movie, Jason seems to be back and doing his 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.000 thing once again. Uh. This this movie features the adult, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.720 the grown up version of Corey Feldman's character from the 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.520 previous movie. This is a guy named Tommy Jarvis. Uh. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.240 So Jason is like chasing Tommy Jarvis and his new 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.000 friends around, terrorizing them. But in the end spoiler alert, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.480 it turns out this is a movie about a copycat killer. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.680 There is some complete rando named Roy who dresses up 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.880 like Jason, puts on a hockey mask, and he is 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.320 killer in this movie. Okay, I don't think I've seen 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.600 anything from this one, but that sounds like a huge letdown. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.560 I don't know. Part five is I would say very funny. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.520 I would say of all of them, it is one 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:16.040 of the trashy ist It feels this one feels really grimy. Um. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.400 But but but after the fifth one, Okay, what do 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.280 you do now? So Jason got his head chopped in half. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.840 We already did copycat in the previous movie. How are 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.560 we going to go for a sixth one time? To 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.000 introduce magic? So in films two through four, Jason was 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.480 just a human, just a mad slasher guy who was 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:37.040 surprisingly resilient to counterattack. Part six, the series goes supernatural. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.520 Jason's body rises from the grave, he puts on the 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.920 hockey mask again, and he attacks adult Tommy Jarvis. And 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.680 so this movie ends with Tommy Jarvis doing some kind 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.840 of ritual where he changed Jason to a rock at 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.080 the bottom of Crystal Lake. Problem solved. There's a scene 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.320 in this movie where Jason attacks an RV, which is 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.040 uh interesting set piece. But another thing about this is 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:06.440 not only does the sixth movie introduce magic into the series, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.399 I would say the sixth movie also is the first 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.560 to introduce a palpable sense of irony. Like the sixth 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.800 one is the first one that gets directly silly and 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:23.320 has sort of uh jokes about itself for the viewer. Okay, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.600 so it's become Yeah, it's become a little bit funny 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.720 and play intentionally funny in places. And now we have 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.000 Jason as a revenant. Uh So, so really, when you 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.800 say the sixth movie is where we we finally arrive 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.520 at sort of the iconic Jason, yes, I would mostly 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.320 say that, though I think it needs one more element, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.840 which is the actor playing Jason. The canonical Jason actor 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.719 Kane Hotter, actually doesn't show up till the seventh movie 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.520 in the series. So here we are at part seven 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.879 and the premises Whoops, a girl with psychic powers accidentally 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.080 causes undead Jason to escape his chain trap at the 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.960 bottom of the lake. He once again attacks the Sinful 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.080 Youth and the lake shore vicinity, until he is defeated 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.920 by the psychic powers of the final girl in this movie, Tina, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.919 and by the ghost of a Father's Love. And at 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.480 the end of part seven he is yanked back under 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.440 the water by by the main characters dead Dad, and 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.439 he lies waiting there at the bottom of the lake 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.320 until the beginning of part eight. This movie ruled. I 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.280 loved it, especially loved Tina. It was just an absolute 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.159 pleasure to watch her hit Jason with something like a 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.440 dozen telekinetic home alons. You know, it's like nails flying 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.280 at him, wrapping him up in something like the making 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.920 the floor open up. Just I loved everything about uh 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.879 that whole showdown. She's hitting him with like like power lines. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.359 Part seven also has so it's the first one with 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.520 Caine Hotter. We can talk more about the Jason body 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.360 actors in a bit, but Part seven also has really 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:58.960 solid human villains. A couple worth mentioning are most of 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.840 these movies have a character who's like the rich, mean girl. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.200 In Part seven it's a character I think named Melissa 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:11.720 who is just uh, pricelessly cruel. Uh. And then also 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.280 there is another human villain who is played by Terry Kaiser. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.520 He is Tina's evil, scheming psychiatrist. And uh so this 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.080 is the corpse from Weekend at Bernie's. But he's like 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.000 constantly like threatening and bullying the main character. Yeah. When 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.480 you first mentioned this, I thought you were saying metaphorically 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.120 that this is the the actor that is the guy 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.760 from Weekend at Bernie's. But yeah it is. It's Terry Kaiser. 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.399 Literally the body in that movie is the evil psychiatrist here. Yeah, 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.879 and I feel like this is a great This is 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.239 always a great formula for a horror movie when you 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.760 have your true like even supernatural or just super like 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:55.000 super humanly um evil character, but then you have your 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.200 more like real world villain who's operating within a system, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.560 such as this guy. Well, yeah, this could. I mean, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.280 this is one of those movie tropes of like the 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.560 evil scientists who you know. I guess he thinks he's 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.840 finally going to get tenure if he like drives this 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.359 girl mad and and makes her like use her telekinesis 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:19.040 to make the house explode. Yeah, so he's great, And yeah, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:20.879 I just I love Tina. I think part of the 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.320 reason I love Tina is because you have your final 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.440 girl standing up to like fully standing up to Jason 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.439 and not just like you know, weakly hitting him with 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.359 something and then not having the courage to go over 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.240 and finish him off. Like she she goes for blood, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.800 and she she just unleashes with her brain like she's 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.920 his brain power to overcome the darkness. And then, yeah, 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.199 like there's something empowering about that, you know. It's like 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.199 it takes me back to this idea of being a 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.840 child and being scared of these things and these ideas, 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.399 but also knowing that you could scream at them, you 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.399 know that you could raise your voice and in a 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.280 sense fight them with your brain. Um. So I've seen 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.600 parts of this before, and I remember loving the part 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.120 side scene, but I had no idea that the ending 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:04.879 was so bonkers. I had it in my mind that 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.280 she was probably going to defeat Jason by just uh, 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.679 you know, telekinetically wrapping him up in a chain and 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.000 blasting him off the wharf, that sort of thing. But 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.560 this whole scene where she uses her powers to resurrect 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.240 the uncorrupted body of her dead father from the bottom 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.240 of Crystal Lake to drag him back into the deaths 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.480 wearing a card again, Yes, still wearing a card again. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:39.679 Absolutely bonkers. I love everything about it. Yeah, you know, 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.399 you mentioned the idea of defeating Jason with your mind, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.479 and so, uh, now that we've laid out these movies, 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.960 I feel like there is a point I was wanting 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.040 to touch on about what, like, what are these movies for? 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.840 Why were they so popular? This is something like film 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.080 critics of the nineteen eighties would write about. You can 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.000 read articles of you know, Roger Ebert and everybody else 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.840 just saying like, I don't get it. I go and 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.680