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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is

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Speaker 1: Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And uh, Rob,

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Speaker 1: we got one of your your famous calendar tie ins

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Speaker 1: today because today is a Friday, we are finally doing

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Speaker 1: a Friday movie. And uh, of of the original series,

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Speaker 1: what could we pick except Jason Takes Manhattan, the one

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Speaker 1: where Jason goes to New York years after the Muppets did. Now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times on this show we dig up

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Speaker 1: obscure weirdness that not many people have ever seen. Uh

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Speaker 1: and sometimes the Sometimes we find the diamonds that are hidden,

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Speaker 1: you know, wonderful little gyms of movies that are that

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Speaker 1: are little known. Sometimes we find stuff that is not

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Speaker 1: so great but funny. In this series, we're going in

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Speaker 1: a very different direction because as weird as the Friday

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Speaker 1: the Thirteenth series is, and if you really like examine

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Speaker 1: the contents of the series, it is a bizarre phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: We should not forget that these movies were immensely popular.

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Speaker 1: These hockey mask horror movies made hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars in total, which is a lot for a horror franchise,

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Speaker 1: And I believe until uh, maybe just recently, Friday, a

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Speaker 1: movie about a guy in a hockey mask who walks

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Speaker 1: around stabbing people, was the highest grossing horror franchise of

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Speaker 1: all time. And you know, Rob, you and I as

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Speaker 1: horror fans, probably have different types of movies we think

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Speaker 1: of when we consider the genre as an ideal what

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Speaker 1: is horror? Maybe some of your your favorite maybe the

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Speaker 1: classy or horror movies come to mind. But in the

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Speaker 1: general culture for decades from the eighties probably through the

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Speaker 1: would say the average American would be more likely to

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Speaker 1: think of Friday the Thirteenth and Jason Vorhees than anything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these movies were big money. Uh, they were everywhere. Um.

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Speaker 1: And and I think you know, to your point about

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Speaker 1: that that very popular things can still be very good,

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Speaker 1: very popular movies can still be quite weird in a

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Speaker 1: number of ways. And with these Friday the Thirteenth films

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Speaker 1: them through pop culture or cable viewing and just allow

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Speaker 1: it all to be sort of refined down to just

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Speaker 1: the core scares, the kills in each film, sort of

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Speaker 1: physical incarnation of Jason Vorhees. But there's there's a load

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Speaker 1: of additional funky weirdness that absolutely should not be overlooked

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Speaker 1: in in many, if not all, of the films. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So are the Friday the Thirteenth movies good? Uh? Not? Really?

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Speaker 1: Are they? Are they classy? Certainly? Not that I mean

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Speaker 1: they I think they meet the definition of tracksh by

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Speaker 1: about their place in the culture. Absolutely? Yeah. I The

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Speaker 1: thing about the Friday the Thirteen films is that I

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Speaker 1: grew up hearing about them from other kids, like an

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Speaker 1: one of the things that was talked about. Certain kids

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Speaker 1: and they were all Crystal Lake episodes installments that I

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Speaker 1: was catching parts of it this this time. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: terrified me because Jason seemed very much like this creature

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Speaker 1: of the woods and the wilds that could potentially emerge

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Speaker 1: surrounding my house. Oh. Absolutely, he is one of the

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Speaker 1: He is a nature spirit. He you know, he is

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Speaker 1: tom bomba dill Um. So you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: into my adult life as well, because prior to this week,

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Speaker 1: the only Friday the thirteenth film that had actually set

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Speaker 1: I watched two Friday the Thirteenth films this week in

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Speaker 1: preparation for this discussion. I'm gonna go ahead and say

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Speaker 1: But I think Part eight is a more appropriate pick

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Speaker 1: because of how bizarrely it upsets the formula while still

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Speaker 1: being incredibly predictable. Yeah. I really enjoyed both of them. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean because New Blood you have Tina, the telekinetic

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Speaker 1: final portion of the film anyway. Um, I think there's

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Speaker 1: one takes us to Manhattan and well that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: the cell anyway, right. It sort of does. So one

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Speaker 1: of the famous things about Jason takes Manhattan is. I

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Speaker 1: good one. She said, Uh, she sometimes calls it Jason

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Speaker 1: takes a long time to get to Manhattan, which, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could also call it Jason takes boat. This movie

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Speaker 1: has something in common with Eliminators, which we did I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a month or two ago. A movie

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Speaker 1: But really what the movie mostly is is about a boat.

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Speaker 1: It's about a boat going up a river. And that's

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Speaker 1: the same thing here. You think Jason's gonna take Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: The rest of the movie is a boat. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the but the last fifteen minutes or so is really strong,

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Speaker 1: secondary critique is also when he gets to Manhattan, it's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Canadians to this film, and certainly

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Speaker 1: down here, because first of all, I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: everyone out there really knows the full history, the full

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Speaker 1: mythos of Jason Vorhees, Joe, can you give us a

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Speaker 1: a previously on Friday walk through here? Oh? Yes I can.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll start with some some general thoughts and then

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Speaker 1: a rip off of Halloween, as basically all modern slasher

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Speaker 1: franchises too. So you had you had John Carpenter's Halloween,

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Speaker 1: But most of these follow up series of major differences

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Speaker 1: hallmarks of of of the franchise, isn't it That you

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Speaker 1: have certain types of victims. Uh. And we see this

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some they're definitely there's definitely some fodder

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Speaker 1: sets us up for up for this film. We brought

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Speaker 1: everyone up to the level of Jason Takes Manhattan. We've

430
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: put you in a position where you can follow Jason

431
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: in his attempt to take Manhattan. And that's the elevator pitch.

432
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: It's Jason takes Manhattan. What more could be possibly want

433
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: to know? All right? For our for our our trailer here.

434
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: So this is actually one where I feel like we

435
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: need to describe the trailer because it doesn't completely translate

436
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: to audio only. So I'm gonna tell you what what

437
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: you would be seeing whilst you, you know, listen to this.

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00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with some some gentle you know,

439
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: New Yorky music, saxophone playing in there we see a

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00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: figure on the waterfront, back to the camera, gazing dreamily

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00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: at the island of Manhattan, resplendent in its glittering lights.

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00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: What dreams does this figure have? Broadway, Wall Street, Love, Fame,

443
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: a morning at the met and afternoon in Central Park.

444
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: Who can say? But we zoom in closer and then

445
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: the figure turns and it's Jason Vorhees hockey mask weapon

446
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: in hand, instantly cut the various New York City folks

447
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: screaming and recoiling and terror, and then we zoom in

448
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: again on the great Hockey Mask of death and judgment.

449
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: We got the camera goes into the dark eye of

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Speaker 1: the mask, and we get the title card Jason Takes Manhattan,

451
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: and some great voiceover from the voice of God himself,

452
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Speaker 1: Don Lafontaine Friday that the party Jason Takes Manhattan, now

453
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: New York has a new problem. It's great. You see,

454
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: like I think at one point you see somebody who

455
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: reads as a hot dog vendor, like throwing hot dogs

456
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: up in the air and terror, and I remembering that, right,

457
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, it's a bunch of like like

458
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, Jason p o V stuff, But it's great.

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00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: It's essentially just a teaser trailer, but it absolutely tells

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00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: you everything you need to know. You know. Also, in

461
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: terms of marketing for the movie, have you ever seen

462
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: that clip of Jason Vorhees as the guest on the

463
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Speaker 1: Arsenio Hall Show. Yes, it's it's really good. I think

464
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: it was promoting this movie right for Jason Takes Manhattan,

465
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: I believe so, yes, yeah, uh, and so it's not

466
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: like Kane Hotter as himself as the actor. Jason Vorhees

467
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: in character is the guest. Uh. And again again, I

468
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: think this speaks to like the surprisingly like mainstream level

469
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: popularity of these movies that like Jason would be booked

470
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: as a like late night talk show guest. But the

471
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: clip is worth looking up. Arsenio just like asks him questions.

472
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I think he asks him like, why are you so angry?

473
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: And Jason of course says nothing in response. He just

474
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: sits in the chair holding an axe. Well, that is

475
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: a question to ask in a bit is Jason angry?

476
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Is this even an appropriate question? Arsenio? I think that

477
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: varies by movie. All right, let's get into the humans

478
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: behind this thing. First of all, the director and writer

479
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: Rob Heddon born nineteen fifty four American director making his

480
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: feature film debut here, following a documentary about Terry Gilliams

481
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: Brazil and various episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents mcgiver and

482
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, Friday thirteenth the series. Uh. Some listeners have

483
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: recommended this series to us. By the way, now, Friday

484
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: the thirteenth of the TV series was not about Jason

485
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: vores about what it was about, like an antique shop

486
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: that's old cursed items or something. Yeah, and they had

487
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: to go like reclaim them. It was episodic, but I

488
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever actually watched an episode in full.

489
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: But it's it's its memory serves. It's very Canadian and

490
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: David Cronenberg directed one episode of it. You know, I

491
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: keep saying this, but someday on Weird House, We're gonna

492
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: have to come around to the TV show Freddie's Nightmares,

493
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: which was an episodic TV series not about Freddy Krueger,

494
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: but like hosted by Freddy Krueger, like they returned to

495
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: turn into the crypt Keeper. Yeah, yeah, I mean he's

496
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: a perfect I don't remember when it came out. Weirdly,

497
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big Nightmare fan, and I was a

498
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: little afraid of those films too, But I was all

499
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: in on Freddie's Nightmares, you know, because here it was

500
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: was on TV. It was episodic, Uh you know, I

501
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: mean it was an it was an anthology series rather

502
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: and uh, and it also seemed like a great gig

503
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: for for Freddie, Like he's basically the crypt Keeper already

504
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: at that point. Uh. I don't understand why I didn't

505
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: go a million season Anyway, Rob Headen heading here, he's

506
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: he's mostly done TV and TV movies since Manhattan, including

507
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: Night Ride two thousand from the year and the movie

508
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: Alien Fury Countdown to Invasion from the Year two thousand,

509
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: which has one of the most boring movie posters I've

510
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: ever seen. So the director here, I think he's been

511
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: given a fair amount of grief over this film, but

512
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: some folks love that. It's kind of interesting to see

513
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: the see how polarized the reaction was, like, for instance,

514
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: just looking at some some of the major like critics

515
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: and commentators that I tend to look at. I don't

516
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: know what Ebert thought of it, but Leonard Malton loved it.

517
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: I think he thought it was the best one yet. Meanwhile,

518
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: Michael Weldon Plectronic Film Chronicler, Uh, he's at least back

519
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: in the day. I don't know if his thoughts changed,

520
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: but he seemed to think this film was the worst

521
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: yet it was just a downward trajectory. So like, they

522
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: couldn't be more opposite in their evaluation of this film.

523
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: And I went into an expecting a disappointing step down

524
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: from New Blood because like Fresh on the Heels of

525
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: new Blood, new Blood was so good, but I was

526
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: still richly entertained throughout Jason Takes Manhattan. Yeah, it's difficult

527
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: to like, what is the scale or standard you're supposed

528
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: to use when judging how good a fridayte movie is.

529
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, none of these movies are what you would

530
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: think of as quote good. I would say maybe the

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00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: closest to that is like the first one, which you

532
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: could say, uh, sort of comes close to working as

533
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: an actual like suspense horror film. But the other ones

534
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: they clearly you know, they're extremely popular, they have some

535
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of powerful entertainment value, So I would rank it

536
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: on like, um, just like how pleasurable is the experience

537
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: of watching it, regardless of what you might mark as

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00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: the I don't know a normal esthetic criteria by which

539
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: you would evaluate an act of storytelling or filmmaking. Yeah,

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00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: it's also interesting when you're doing with the franchise like

541
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: this that's that ends up going so long, you know,

542
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: for so long, and also has a lot of ups

543
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: and downs and changes film to film. Like really, off

544
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: the top of my head, there are very few things

545
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: I can compare it too, because like do Halloween films

546
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: really differ all that much, except for, of course the

547
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: brilliant Halloween three, which went off in a different direction.

548
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: Um wellt's think the first and the third one are

549
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: very different than all the others. Yeah, and then there's

550
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of sameness. Uh, you know

551
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: other franchises. It's about telling a cohesive story, like say,

552
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: you know Harry Potter films, which you know all are

553
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: within the same visual universe for the most part, and

554
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: or you know very much I set on the finish line,

555
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: like the only thing I can really think of to

556
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: compare it to would be James Bond films, where you know,

557
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: you're you're changing things up, You're you're moving to to

558
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: cash in on this trend, trying to go with the times, like, oh,

559
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: nobody's going to see Bond anymore. We better make it weirder,

560
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: um or send him to space. 'll send him to space.

561
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: And then like, oh, it's our Bond films. They got

562
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: too weird and too funny. Let's make it depressing again.

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00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: That's sort of thing. That's a very good comparison. I

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00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: don't think I would have thought of that, but that

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00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: that absolutely works. Jason and James Bond like iconic main characters,

566
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: very lucrative franchises of widely varying aesthetics and qualities from

567
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: film to film. Uh, though it's also very formulaic movies,

568
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: like you know all the beats that are gonna happen,

569
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: you know what the stock characters you're going to encounter.

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00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: Our's just a question of, like what is the sort

571
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of slight dash of individual flavor introduced within those stock

572
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: characters each time? Uh? Yeah, yeah, I think that parallel

573
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: totally works. And so who is the Ian Fleming of

574
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: the Jason Vorhees universe. It's Victor Miller Born. Miller had

575
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this film, but he wrote the

576
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: screenplay for the original Friday the thirteenth and nineteen eighty

577
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: and created the character Jason Vorhees, or at least the

578
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: sort of proto Jason Vorhees that would evolve into what

579
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: we have in this film. I think there are I

580
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: don't know to what extent they're ongoing, but there have

581
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: been recent major legal disputes over the the i p

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: of Jason, like who runs the character of Jason. Okay, well,

583
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: we'll look to the legal literature for the for the

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00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: legal answer on this, but he did write the screenplay

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00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: for the first film. Well, let's let's go to Jason, though,

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: because I mean as Jason takes Manhattan. His name is

587
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: in the title. Um. Who plays Jason in this? It's

588
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Kine Hotter born nineteen fifty five, stunt man turned stunt

589
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: coordinator and actor with stunt and acting credits going back

590
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: into the nineteen seventies or at least like the late

591
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. Survived some severe upper body burns from a

592
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: fire stunt accident early in his career. Didn't start playing

593
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: Jason like we mentioned tell new Blood in, but then

594
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: subsequently appeared as him in three more Jason movies. But

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00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: before new Blood he had appeared as an actor in

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00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: such films as House to Alligator, in which he played

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: the alligator. On did Um he seems to have done

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00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: some stunt work and The Hills Have Eyes Part two,

599
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: and he also he got to play leather face. We've

600
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: got to do leatherface stunt work for Texas Chainsaw Massacre three.

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00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: And he technically it's a kind of a technicality, but

602
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: he played Freddie Krueger's gloved hand at the end of

603
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Jason Goes to Hell. Oh Man for the person who

604
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: said part eight was the one we're talking about today

605
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: is the worst of the Friday series that they just

606
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: had to wait until the next movie, because Jason Goes

607
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: to Hell is part nine of the series, and I

608
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: think it is essentially unquestionable that that is the worst

609
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: film in the series, and not only that, one of

610
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: the worst movies I've ever seen. I remember the trailer

611
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: for it where I was like, finally we've had enough

612
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: of this Jason. A bounty team or you know, I

613
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: don't know, a swat team is going to take him out. Yeah,

614
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: it does have that movie does have a good bounty

615
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: hunter in it, but it is long. Sections of it

616
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: are just unwatchable. I think I've really only made it

617
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: through that movie one time. I think I've tried to

618
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: rewatch it from friends and we like stopped and he

619
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: doesn't even go to Hell, right, That's the thing that

620
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: arguable at the end of the movie. I think maybe

621
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Speaker 1: that's the idea of pulling the mask down into the ground.

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00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, Freddie's hand comes up and pulls the mask down,

623
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: so it's like he is being pulled down to Hell

624
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: because Hell is underground. It's down there now. Kane Hodder's

625
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: portrayal of Jason is interesting because he's I think he

626
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: is considered by most Friday thirteen fans to be the

627
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: definitive Jason, Like, if there is a canonical Jason actor,

628
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: it's him. And yet he doesn't show up until the

629
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Speaker 1: seventh movie in the series. And again today's movie is

630
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Speaker 1: the eight, so this is only the second one he

631
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: was in. And uh and according to a making of

632
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: documentary I remember watching, he said at some point that

633
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: they originally weren't even planning on having him return because

634
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: they didn't know if he had any interest in doing it.

635
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: He had to actively like contact the producers and seek

636
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: out the opportunity to to play the part again. But anyway,

637
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: so you know, each actor to play Jason brings his

638
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: own flavor to the role. Jason never speaks, always totally silent,

639
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: so it's all in the body language. So some play Jason,

640
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: especially earlier on in like parts like three and four,

641
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: they play Jason is more kind of erratic, manic and unpredictable.

642
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Uh and and later Jason's I think usually tend to

643
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: be more subdued in their motions. Kane Hodters Jason, in particular,

644
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: moves in a way that I would characterize as sort

645
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: of like a d personalized like removing a lot of

646
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: personality on purpose. There is a wrote smoothness and efficiency

647
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: to his movement that makes his Jason feel almost like

648
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: a robot or like a disembodied physical process, like to

649
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: the extent that this later Jason Vorhees is a person um.

650
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Something about the body language makes it feel like, Okay,

651
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: he is not an evil murderer. This is more kind

652
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: of strictly business not personal. Uh you know, he's not

653
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: the mad slasher. He is a professional executioner doing his job.

654
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: He's at work. Yeah. Yeah. The body language here is great.

655
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: And in both of these films, which again both of

656
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: these have Kane as as Jason, and uh yeah, there's

657
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: so many nice little touches. I like it when Jason

658
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: is problem solving or and or determining how to kill somebody.

659
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: I guess that's one of the main problems he solved.

660
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: That's what he's good at. But sometimes he'll do that

661
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: head turn like a dog thinking about something, which is

662
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: quite effective. It gives you a sense of the the

663
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the lethal wheels turning inside the head. There I gotta say,

664
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: the masked killer head turning beat that shows up in

665
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of movies, but that actually happens in the

666
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: original Halloween, And I wonder if it all traces back

667
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: to that they're all just copying Michael Myers, Like he

668
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: uh PJ Soul's boyfriend, Remember he like stabs him against

669
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: a wall and then he kind of turns his head

670
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: at him. Interesting, um so, but maybe another movies earlier,

671
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, Well, uh, I try not to

672
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: get deeply invested in arguments over which actor has best

673
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: at any of these various horror franchise roles. But yeah,

674
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I think Kine's work is great in this. He has

675
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: that that that's subdued physicality, like you mentioned. But I

676
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: also think his basic body shape and high are great

677
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: for the party six four thickly built, and I think

678
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: we really have to give a lot of credit to

679
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: the man's skull shape and size as well, Like there

680
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you see so many shots of the back of Jason's

681
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: head and um and granted there's you know, decay makeup

682
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: going on there as well, because he's fully a revenant

683
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: at this point. But uh yeah, Kane Kane Holder has

684
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: that has that just fabulous skull shape, like it's undeniable.

685
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: You can tell it's his skull under there, And when

686
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: you see pictures of him out of the makeup, you're

687
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: still like, that's Jason Vorhees his skull. I can tell.

688
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: I've never had that thought, but okay, I see what

689
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: you're saying. It should you know, in the future, I

690
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: hope that that this goal will be preserved so that

691
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: we can all continue to to admire it. All right,

692
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: let's let's get into the rest of the cast here. Um.

693
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: First of all, we have our final girl. This is

694
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: Renny played by Jansen Daggett born nineteen nine and like,

695
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Renny's no Tina, So she doesn't have telekinetic and psychic powers,

696
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: but she does have a kind of a spooky spirit

697
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: connection with Jason and keeps experiencing terrifying hallucinations. So in

698
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: a way you could see some you can see some

699
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: connections between Tina and Renny here. The actor dagg It

700
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: was also in a major league Back to the Miners,

701
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: the TV movie Project Alf, and she appeared on various

702
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: TV shows including Home Improvement. Uh, She's so, she's no Tina,

703
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: She's no large Park Lincoln. But she's good and this

704
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: was her first acting credit anyway, So like, I mean,

705
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: it's pretty great if you think of it along those lines. Now,

706
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I think this movie was trying to recreate some of

707
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: the dynamic of having like an older male human villain,

708
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: like like Terry Kaiser in the previous movie, but in

709
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: this one, it's the school principal who is just a

710
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: strict mean man. Yes. Uh, Charles McCullough played by Peter

711
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: Mark Richmond, who really had like he just feels in

712
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: this movie like a walking talking uh CBS movie of

713
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: the Week or something. Um, he's pretty great. He was

714
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: born died in Um. Yeah, it definitely plays our our

715
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: human sub villain and uh and it's it's actually kind

716
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: of nicely put together his character because at first he

717
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: seems like just sort of the you know, the stick

718
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: in the mud authority figure. But then we learn more

719
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: and more about him and we're like, okay, yeah, he's

720
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: he's he's even worse. Um, but uh. Peter Mark Richmond

721
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: was a veteran actor of TV and screen. Some of

722
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: his bigger credits included nineteen sixties six is agent for

723
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: harm TV's Dynasty in the eighties and pretty much anything

724
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: you name from this time period, from the decades in

725
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: which he was active. He even pops up on the

726
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: original Twilight Zone in an episode titled The Fear from

727
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, and he was also on Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

728
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: All right, then we have some of the other Basically

729
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: we're into the victims for most of the other characters

730
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna mention here. We have Sean Robertson. I guess

731
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: he's he's sort of the boyfriend, the good the good guy.

732
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: He is the final girl's boyfriend, the character who in

733
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: part seven, this was the guy who was the quote

734
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: teenager who was like thirty five years old. Yeah, that's

735
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: another thing I love about these films, like like old teens.

736
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: It's maybe not as pronounced as some of the like

737
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties movies, which really pushed the boundaries of what

738
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: you could buy as a teenager on the screen. But yeah,

739
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: there are plenty of folks in this movie and and

740
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: in New Blood where you're like, these are teenagers. These

741
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: these people were at least in their late twenties, if not.

742
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: These these movies are full of people who are supposed

743
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: to be eighteen, but they're actually thirty two. In a

744
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: weird way. That also kind of sanitized the whole process

745
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: of watching them all killed, because it's like, these aren't

746
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: really teenagers. These these are grown people. Not to say

747
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: that teenagers are not growing, you know what I mean,

748
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: though these are actors. Yeah, I agree it it makes

749
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: the movies better, It makes them easier to enjoy. Uh,

750
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: it adds to the layer of absurdity, but it also

751
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: uh yeah, yeah, you don't have to feel as bad.

752
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: So the actor here, Reeves had a long run on

753
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: such TV shows as General Hospital, The Young and the

754
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: Restless in Nashville, Born in n and I believe still active. Um,

755
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: we'll get back to more victims here in just a second.

756
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: But we have a wonderful crazy deck Hand and um

757
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: and and doom speaker in this Uh he's credited as

758
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: deck Hand. Oh okay, he doesn't have a name. No,

759
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: unless his name is deck Hand, I don't know that

760
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: his credit is dead cand So he just keeps showing

761
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: up and sometimes it really like annoying places where he's

762
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: just like, by the way, you're all gonna die, Jason

763
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Bred He's just returning from the grave, and you were

764
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: you were filling me in. This is a throwback to

765
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: another character, right right, there's a character in the first

766
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: couple of movies known I think his name is Crazy Ralph,

767
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: and all he does is he runs up to people

768
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and he goes, you're all doomed, that camp has a

769
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: death curse. It's Camp blood. And then somebody will be like, yeah, Ralph,

770
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: get out of here, and so it happens over and over.

771
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: I think he gets killed by Jason in the second movie. Yeah,

772
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: so this is exactly the same character. He even kind

773
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: of looks like him. Yeah, it's like there's almost Simpsons

774
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: parody um energy to him. In fact, I feel like

775
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: there are a number of parallels between I guess later

776
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: parodies on The Simpsons and this movie, including in the

777
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Treehouse of Horror episode. Uh well, it's the whole episode

778
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: where groundskeeper Willie keeps coming to warn people about the

779
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: evil and then falls over with an axe in his back.

780
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: That is how this character dies in this film. So anyway,

781
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: he's a lot of fun. Played by the character actor

782
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Um alex Da kun Born. Um worked quite a bit

783
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: and even very recently, such shows as The Chilling Adventures

784
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: of Sabrina The X Files. I don't know if you

785
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: remember this guy from popping up in different roles on

786
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: The X Files. Oh no, I don't know who because

787
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: uh supernatural and he was. He was in a fun

788
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: episode of the nineties Outer Limits series that I've seen

789
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: titled Alien Shop which kind of terrible title, but it's

790
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: a really heavy handed mortality story in which an alien

791
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: shopkeeper messes with people's lives through magical item sales. And

792
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: he's he's the shopkeeper. Uh. Um, So a lot of

793
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: Canadian actors um, as well as just anybody doing TV

794
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: during the nine he showed up on the Outer Limits.

795
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Uh so it's no surprise that this guy did a

796
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: lot of Canadian TV as well, not only out of Limits,

797
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: but he also popped up on a show called Danger

798
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: Bay that I remember watching as a kid. And imagine

799
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: if there there any Canadian listeners out there who around

800
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: my age, you no doubt remember Danger Bay as well.

801
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: I do not know Danger Bay not Canadian enough, why

802
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: would you? Alright, So some other victims here. We have

803
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: the character Susie played by Tiffany Paulson. Um. She wanted

804
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: to become a writer, producer and director. But I think

805
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: this is one of her main film roles. She's in

806
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: the boat at the beginning, not the first, not the

807
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: second boat, the first boat. All right. Then we have Gordon. Yeah,

808
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: as a movie of many boats, there's Gordon Curry who

809
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: plays Miles Wolf. Which character was this? Uh? He's well,

810
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: so he's the blonde guy with the mop cut and

811
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: the surfer vibe. He is to be friends with Sean

812
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: the boyfriend. I'm gonna come back to him when we

813
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: explained some of the characters in a bit. Okay, Well,

814
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: he was born in nineteen sixty five. Other credits include

815
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: puppet Master four and five, Laser Hawk um uh, that

816
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: has Mark Hamill in it. Uh. And also he was

817
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: in three Left Behind movies in which he plays this

818
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: character what is it? Nicola Carpathia, Nicolai Carpathia. He plays

819
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: the anti Christ in these Christian apocalypse movies. Nice. Um.

820
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: On TV, he pops up in such shows as Highlander,

821
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: The Raven, This was the Highlander, the TV series spinoff.

822
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: He's on Forever Night and the nineties Outer Limits series.

823
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of your sort of nineties syndicated cable

824
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: Canadian filmed TV shows. All right. Then we have Saffron

825
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Henderson playing j j uh Born five. This is our

826
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: fun rocker character. Rachel always comments that she's really impressed

827
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: by this girl's hair. Um, but yeah, she's a rocker.

828
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: She she plays a Flying V electric guitar, the Hot

829
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: Pink Flying V, and she's just jamming out constantly until

830
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Jason wax her in the head with her own guitar.

831
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I love how she goes into like the the grimy

832
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: industrial inner workings of the ship to jam out, because

833
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: this is the kind of place that you would jam

834
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: out in a music video. Even though nobody's filming her,

835
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: the sound in there must be awful. But Henderson's interesting

836
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: because almost exclusively a voice actor, often for the English

837
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: dubs of different anime titles, many of which were huge

838
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: names and anime. But she also, weirdly enough, pops up

839
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: in The Fly too. This is the sequel to the

840
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: David Cronenberg Fly movie. She plays Veronica Quaif, the character

841
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: that was played by Gina Davis ian Cronenberg's The Fly,

842
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: though in this film it's a very small part because

843
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: basically like the Killer, but they need her in the

844
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: series in the movie just a little bit, and so

845
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: Henderson steps in to play the part. Huh. I guess

846
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: she looks a tad bit like Gina Davis. I can

847
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, the fly to um, that's a that's

848
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: a tough one to recommend. There's a lot of monster

849
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: action in it, all right. Martin Cummins plays Wayne, which

850
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: one was Wayne? I think he is the nerd of

851
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: the movie. He's the a V club guy. Okay, alright, yeah,

852
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: you gotta have your nerd and new blood. It was

853
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: a very annoying would be sci fi writer and this

854
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: one it's a less annoying would be videographer. Okay. So

855
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: this actor, Cummins born sixty nine, plays the mayor of Riverdale,

856
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: if that means anything to any of you. But he

857
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: did a fair amount of TV over the years, including

858
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: two episodes of the nineties Outer Limits, neither of which

859
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: have I seen. And he also pops up on Highlander

860
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the series and Danger Bay. So strong Canadian presence here

861
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: from Cummins. Oh and then we have, uh, we have

862
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: an actor by the name of Vincent Craig Duprey or

863
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: VC Duprey dupri rather uh, and he plays the character

864
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: Julius um So. This actor is known for South Central

865
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: He pops up here and there. He did one episode

866
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: of Fredday's Nightmares, which we just mentioned, so it kind

867
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: of makes him a two franchise actor here. Yeah, he's

868
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: the jock character in this movie. And whereas usually I

869
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: think the jock character is more of a human villain

870
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: or bully. Uh, he's like a more likable jock character. Yeah, yeah,

871
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: I agree. Oh and here's here's what you know. This

872
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: is kind of the Crispin Glover factor where occasionally you'll

873
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: have an actor show up in one of these films

874
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: that goes on to do much bigger things. Because we

875
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: have Kelly Who in this who plays Eva wanton Abbi.

876
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Uh so she was born night American actor of Chinese,

877
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: English and Hawaiian ancestry, and uh yeah, Kelly Who is wonderful.

878
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: This is uh this is her first film role if

879
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, following some TV work. But one of

880
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: her biggest roles and the one I think of instantly

881
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: is her turn as Lady death Strike in two thousand

882
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: threes X two X Men United. She has those long,

883
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: uh you know, adamantium fingernails and she has an extended

884
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: fight scene with Wolverine. She's sort of like the the

885
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: evil counterpart to Wolverine. I think she I'm trying. Doesn't

886
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: she only get killed by getting like adamantium like liquid

887
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: metal injected into her blood stream or something? I think? So? Yeah. Uh,

888
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: this is always one of my favorite X Men characters.

889
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: I remember liking this character a lot when it popped

890
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: up on the cartoon back in the day. But Kelly

891
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: who also pops up another film. She plays the Sorceress

892
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: and the two thousand two films The Scorpion King. This

893
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: was The Sword and Sandals, the Mummy spin off, starring

894
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: a far less experience of the rock I saw that

895
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: in theaters. That was That was ninety minutes. Now here's

896
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: a on little factoid. Uh. Kelly who also has voiced

897
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the Mortal Kombat character Devora in both Mortal Kombat games

898
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: that have featured that character. This is a weird kind

899
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: of cronin berg ee insect woman character. So she gets

900
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: to do a cool female monster voice, which you know,

901
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: there's a fine art two and she does a great job.

902
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing is that, Uh. In two thousand

903
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: fifteen Mortal Kombat X, Jason Vorhees was a downloadable character,

904
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: so you could actually have Divora fight Jason in that

905
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: video game. Oh so it's with this, I guess be

906
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: a sort of digital reunion of Kelly hu and Kane Hotter. Yeah,

907
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: all right, And finally, a note on the music. Fred

908
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: Mullen did the music. Mullin's work is fine here, but

909
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: obviously he's no Harry met Fredini, who composed the original

910
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Friday the Thirteenth score, as well as the just absolutely

911
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: excellent Friday the Thirteenth Part three theme song, which became

912
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: a legitimate disco hit in two. If you have not

913
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: heard it, go listen to it. It's a great track.

914
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: I'll throw it on the blog post for this episode

915
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: at smood to music dot com. Do you remember this track, Joe?

916
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you've sent it the Part three songs,

917
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: You've sent it to you before, but I don't remember. Oh.

918
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's got a little funkiness to it,

919
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: a little simthiness to it. It's it's great. You can

920
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: you can definitely imagine uh guys dancing to it uh

921
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: at the disco in two. Okay, but anyway, Fred Mullen

922
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: he worked throughout the eighties and nineties, especially composing scores

923
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: for New Blood Uh. Though I understand new Blood also

924
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: reused music from previous Friday films, but he also worked

925
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: on Friday thirteenth the series, two episodes of the Outer

926
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: Limit series, and something like eighteen episodes of Tech War. Oh,

927
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: the Shatner authored series. Yes, quote unquote author. Yeah, the

928
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: children will have to learn about tech War one day. Yes,

929
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into the plot of Jason Takes

930
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: Manhattan as it is. I mean, these movies tend to

931
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: be very light on plots, so we're not going to

932
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: try to do a scene by scene recap. I think

933
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: this is one of the ones where we might zoom

934
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: in on some particular parts, and we must zoom in

935
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: almost to the molecular level on the very opening of

936
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: this movie, which is genuinely hilarious U. I think, especially

937
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: if you've seen the other movies, because the opening of

938
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: this one is so unlike the opening of any other

939
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: Jason movie. It starts with you just fade in on

940
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: footage of the New York City skyline after dusk, so

941
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: you're over the Brooklyn Bridge or one of the bridges

942
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: into Manhattan. I don't know which one. Got car headlights

943
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: creeping creeping along and there's this eighties perm rock just

944
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: chugging in the background, like, uh, you know that sound

945
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: where there is way too much chorus and reverb on everything,

946
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: including the drums. And then you get a random voice

947
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: coming onto narrate. I think we find out that this

948
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: is the voice of a radio DJ, but it's just

949
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: speaking over the song with no explanation at the beginning.

950
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: And I had to make a transcript of exactly what

951
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: it says because this is just too good. He says exactly,

952
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: It's like this. We live in claustrophobia, a land of

953
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: steel and concrete, trapped by dark waters. There's no escape,

954
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: nor do we want it. We've come to thrive on

955
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: it and each other. You can't get the adrenaline pumping

956
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: without the terror. Good people. I love this town. The

957
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: number of like just like the feeling of non sequitur,

958
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: the pronoun antecedent confusion. There's no escape, nor do we

959
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: want it. We've come to thrive on it. Escape I

960
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: don't even know. I love too how this is like

961
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: the voice of the dark barred of New York City,

962
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: the guy who who is totally fine living in the city,

963
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: as depicted in this movie. And you know, sort of

964
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: adjacent hell city New York City films. And yet it's

965
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: totally redundant because this is not a film that is

966
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: it all concerned or interested in what it's like to

967
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: live in New York City. Not really, people are. They

968
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: don't factor into the plot really at all. Well, I

969
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: would say that the movie follows the ethos that was

970
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: very common at the time. In fact, I would say

971
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: this is almost ubiquitous of films of the late nineteen

972
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: eighties that would depict New York City as an almost

973
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: fantasy level hellish environment. Um, they're like, uh in this movie,

974
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: as soon as the characters arrive in New York City,

975
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: they are immediately attacked by a heavy metal band and

976
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: then uh. And then there's a part where they like

977
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: flee and Jason is chasing them around and they like

978
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: flee into a diner and they're like a maniac is

979
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: trying to kill us, and the waitress just goes welcomed

980
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: to New York. Yeah. Yeah, just this feeling that any

981
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: people who actually live here are just lost, unknowable souls

982
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: who are just so desynthitized to violence, just so dead

983
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: to emotion. That and most they're going to say something

984
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: rude to you, and they might help you if it's

985
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: their job, right, And so in the further ence of this,

986
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: the credit sequence here goes on to introduce you to

987
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: the concept of New York. So after the monologue finishes,

988
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: you get the song keeps like the They turn up

989
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: the volume on that song that's been chugging the perm

990
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: rock and it opens with the most nineteen eighties perm

991
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: rock lyric ever. The line is fallen Angel into the Street.

992
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: The song is called the Darkest Side of Night. But

993
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: so the yeah after this, the the opening credit is

994
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: a montage that is supposed to introduce you to the

995
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: concept of New York, a mystical land somewhere east of

996
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: a shy characterized almost entirely by crime car headlights and uh,

997
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: poisonous chemical Yes, And so I want a catalog in

998
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: detail everything we see in these opening credits. So the

999
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: first thing is we see Times Square with the light

1000
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: up billboards bearing the Batman logo. I think this would

1001
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: have been for the first Tim Burton movie. We get

1002
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: Coca Cola, Sony, camel cigarettes, all kinds of stuff like that,

1003
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: and then we see punks loitering in Times Square, one

1004
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: of which has a mohawk and they're smoking cigarettes ominously. Yeah,

1005
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: you gotta have a mohawk. And you know, I also

1006
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: love these shots of Times Square because if you've been

1007
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: to Times Square over the last you know, ten years,

1008
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: at least you know that it is. It is hell

1009
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: on Earth. It is like a neon, uh, like garbage zone,

1010
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: you know what. It's just so overwhelming. Uh, you wonder

1011
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: why you have come here. Um, it's just a lot.

1012
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: And so these shots you see of Times Square in

1013
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: this film, they're not quite like I guess we're at

1014
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: this period in time where it's not quite the old

1015
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: days of Times Square, but it's a very subdued Time Square.

1016
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: Like I found myself thinking I would go to this

1017
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: Times Square looks like it would not just completely destroy

1018
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: me on a on a sensory crowd level. No, No,

1019
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: it's almost deserted. In fact, there are very few people

1020
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: there except for a few punks. Yeah, there's no Elmos anything,

1021
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: There's no Yeah. So, oh my god, imagine if if

1022
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: Elmos had been there and we could have had that showdown,

1023
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: like at least a stair down between generic Elmo cost

1024
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: him dude. Yeah, there should be a movie where Jason

1025
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: goes to Times Square now and so he like, there's

1026
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: like a guy in a Superman suit there and they

1027
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: square off. Yeah, maybe he clavers that naked cowboy guy.

1028
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: Jason runs into some minions. Oh man chases somebody through

1029
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: the min m store. Yeah, it would be great, it

1030
00:57:49,000 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: would be great. But anyway, after this, so any more

1031
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: sites to show us? So? Uh, they show us a

1032
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: bunch of garbage filled alleyways emitting just clouds of steam,

1033
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: with a wall that has been spray painted with the

1034
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: word gang. I think the full phrase is I don't

1035
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: remember the name of the gang, but it's like ex

1036
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: gang rules, very plausible graffiti. And then we see a

1037
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: filthy manhole with its cover popped open, also just billowing steam. Uh.

1038
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: It makes me think about that chapter in Moby Dick

1039
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: that's just all about chowder. Yeah. The New York City

1040
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: underground is absolutely key to this sort of mythology of

1041
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: the city because for starters, the real life New York

1042
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: City underground is beyond fascinating and I love reading about it,

1043
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: I love traveling through it. But the New York City

1044
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: underground of pulp fiction and horror cinema is a place

1045
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: where you encounter Chud's and ancient Chinese demons, toxic waste,

1046
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: Vietnam that cannibals, and just so much more rivers of slime.

1047
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Toxic waste is quite troll to this movie's vision of

1048
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: New York. The lifeblood of the city is toxic waste,

1049
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: and it's veins frequently just flood with toxic waste. Yeah,

1050
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: we've later learned there's like a tide of toxic waste,

1051
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: Like there's an ecosystem of toxic waste underneath this toxic city.

1052
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: Let's see. We see in the opening credits a man

1053
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: in a business suit walking down like a mile long, dark,

1054
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: steamy alleyway and he's just suddenly like beaten and robbed

1055
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: by more heavy metal criminals. Uh, and they're wearing like

1056
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: jean jackets, they've got long hair instead of mohawks. And

1057
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: so the guys from from Metallica like remove the money

1058
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: from the guy's wallet and they throw the wallet into

1059
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: what appears to be an open barrel of toxic waste

1060
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: with a wet rat crawling around on top. Oh, man,

1061
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: I love this whole thing because, first of all, man

1062
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: taking a shortcut that no rational man of his station

1063
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: would take instantly set up on by youths. And then yea,

1064
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: this this barrel with the rat. I love that the

1065
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: wallet goes into the barrel, the rat comes up, and

1066
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: then we just linger on this rat for what seems

1067
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: like forever and a long time. Yeah, bear at shot.

1068
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: The wear the barrel here will become very important later on. Yes, uh.

1069
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: And then suddenly we're inside. We see a dinner with

1070
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: a jukebox assigned advertising chocolate milk for thirty cents and uh.

1071
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: A lady at the counter gets a coffee refill, but

1072
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: she seems dissatisfied, like she keeps pointing at her cup

1073
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: as if to indicate no more, fill it till it overflows.

1074
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: But the server just walks away. And I think this

1075
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: is the same server who will later say welcome to

1076
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: New York about the murderer. Uh. We see subway stations

1077
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: with escalators covered in graffiti that looks like it was

1078
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: all applied on the same day. People sitting on a

1079
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: subway car, but they are being filmed from the floor

1080
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: looking up. Interesting cinematography choice. Yeah, just more lost souls,

1081
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: more like punks and heavy metal rockers doing uh, doing

1082
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: drugs in the alley ways. They're like holding needles up

1083
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: to the light so that they form a syringe silhouette,

1084
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: and then just like squirting some jet of yellow green

1085
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: liquid into the air that sparkles in a lamp beam.

1086
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: It's possible this is mountain dew, yeah, or or it's

1087
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: the ouze from the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Oh the

1088
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: ouze yeah. Oh. And then finally the statue of Liberty.

1089
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: Baby show us the statue, the promise, the promise of

1090
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: New York City. You know, we haven't gotten there yet.

1091
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: But there's a hilarious moment early in this film where Sean,

1092
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: the boyfriend, gives Renny, the final girl, a gift and

1093
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: they're on the boat. They haven't gotten to New York.

1094
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: They just got on the boat. She opens the gift

1095
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: up and it's like a jewelry case and inside is

1096
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: a necklace with the statue of Liberty on it. But

1097
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: they haven't gotten to New York yet. It's like a

1098
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: it's like a trinket you would buy on the street

1099
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: in New York. But they're on the way. So New

1100
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: York has been established heavily. And in fact, this whole

1101
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: sequence kind of reeks of producers or somebody saying, hey,

1102
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: we were put in Manhattan in the title. Is there

1103
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: any way you could put some Manhattan at the top

1104
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: of the picture so the people, because people aren't going

1105
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: to see it again for over an hour. Yeah? Uh yeah.

1106
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: And in fact, I think probably the only thing in

1107
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: that opening sequence that is actually Manhattan is the shot

1108
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: of Times Square and the shot of the Statue of Liberty.

1109
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: I think the rest is probably a Vancouver once again.

1110
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh but then so anyway, we get a nice non

1111
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: diagetic to diagetic music transition where that song The Darkest

1112
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: Side of Night is suddenly playing on in a totally

1113
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: different place. So like you're at New York and the

1114
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: camera dips under the water, and then it re emerges

1115
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: from the water and you're at Camp Crystal Lake. Uh,

1116
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: and the music transitions to music coming out of a

1117
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: radio on a boat. It's like a cabin cruiser that's

1118
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: floating in Crystal Lake. Did you notice what the radio

1119
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: DJ was saying when it did that transition. The only

1120
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: thing I remember is that like this one goes out

1121
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: to something to do with Crystal Lake, Like he references

1122
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: Crystal Lake in it, which and immediately made me wonder, well,

1123
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: where is Crystal Lake. I've never, I never. It's kind

1124
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: of like Springfield in the sentence like does it is

1125
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: it anywhere? Is it just generically somewhere in the US.

1126
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: This is so weird. I made a transcript of it too.

1127
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: So the DJ says, you've been listening to W G

1128
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: A Z the Electricity of Manhattan. This request is going

1129
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: out all the way to Crystal Lake. The senior class

1130
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: of lake View High they'll be graduating on the thirteen

1131
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: of this month, and we wish them the best of

1132
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: luck and success when they come to visit our seductive city.

1133
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Our lure is a great one, dear friends, but beware

1134
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: the city of lights casts many shadows. Indeed. So this

1135
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: is a New York based radio DJ interrupting the darkest

1136
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: side of night to give an on air shout out

1137
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: to a random class of a graduating high school graduating

1138
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: high school seniors from somewhere else who are going to

1139
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: be visiting New York in a few days. Okay, perfectly sensible. Yeah,

1140
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: but as to the location of Crystal like, yeah, this

1141
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: is something that I think is not consistent throughout the

1142
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: films in this movie. Again, it's obvious they're like when

1143
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: they're in the port leaving in a bit there in

1144
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. It's obviously the Northwest, but other movies

1145
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: that have established the location of Crystal Lake, I think

1146
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be somewhere in New Jersey. That would

1147
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: make sense wherever they're leaving from, whether it's Vancouver or

1148
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: New Jersey. In either case, does it make sense that

1149
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: they would take a boat to New York a voyage

1150
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: by sea for a class trip to New York. I

1151
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: guess it's the only way to get him there, Like,

1152
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: you can't have a bus trip. How's Jason going to

1153
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: get it? Stow away on the bus? It's like, oh, well,

1154
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: the bathroom has been out of order for the entire drive. Sorry, guys.

1155
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: And it turns out it's got Jason four he's in it,

1156
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: or Jason's clinging to the top of the van, like

1157
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: this is just ultimately the way that he would try. Well,

1158
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: I guess. But so in these movies where Jason has

1159
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: become undead, you gotta have like a sort of waken

1160
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: him up scene. You gotta defrost him somehow. So in

1161
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: this movie, the way it happens is this yacht on

1162
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: the lake is occupied by a couple from that graduating class.

1163
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: Like they they respond to the radio DJ they're like, hey,

1164
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: that's us and uh so it's a boy and a

1165
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: girl who are generally up to no good. And the

1166
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: guy pretty early on dives into a big lore dump.

1167
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: He's like, gee, it's kind of spooky that we are

1168
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: floating right next to that camp where all those people

1169
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: were murdered. Uh and he he just explains all the

1170
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: lord he's like, Jason was of what you know, he

1171
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: doesn't the stuff we talked about at the beginning of

1172
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: this episode. And then he ends up by saying that

1173
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: guy is dead now somewhere at the bottom of this lake.

1174
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, their boat anchor, we're seeing it just it's

1175
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: dragging across a power cable and bringing it into contact

1176
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: with Jason's chain bound body, and then it starts rubbing

1177
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: against the rock, sparks fly and whoops, electricity brings Jason

1178
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: back to life, just like a Frankenstein. I love it.

1179
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: They also happened to have a hockey mask on board

1180
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: the boat, so he got d masked at the end

1181
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: of the previous movie, but he gets a new mask

1182
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: just because they have one. It's very lucky. Yeah. Yeah,

1183
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean I guess this is up north there, They're

1184
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna have more hockey around in general, so maybe it's

1185
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: a little easier to come by. So yeah, he gets

1186
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: uh electrified into life. He comes up on the boat,

1187
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: of course he he He kills the two people on

1188
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: the boat with like a harpoon gun. I don't know

1189
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: why they even have that, but it's there and he

1190
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: does it. And when we first see Jason in this movie,

1191
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say this, of the entire series, I think

1192
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: it's got to be by far the wettest to Jason.

1193
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: This is a generally slimy, almost mucus drench to Jason.

1194
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah, Like he's just dripping in necro slime. And

1195
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: if if he's been somewhere sometimes their characters like like,

1196
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: why is there a hole punched in this door? And

1197
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: the hole is dripping this slime? Um. It's a what's

1198
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: a wonderful touch? And you know it it matches up

1199
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: with the way his skin looks, which it looks like that,

1200
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, his hand could just de glove at any moment. Yeah,

1201
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: but okay, so Jason's woken back up. He's killed people

1202
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: on a boat, he's just on this boat. How's he

1203
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna get to Manhattan. Well, here's where the premise comes in.

1204
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: And this is the premise. We follow the aforementioned graduating

1205
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: class of high school seniors as they go on their

1206
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: graduation trip, which is apparently getting on what looks like

1207
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm no expert in ships, but this does not look

1208
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: to me like a cruise ship. This looks like a

1209
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: cargo ship of some kind getting on, like a dirty

1210
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: cargo ship, departing from somewhere that looks like the Pacific

1211
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: Northwest and traveling by boat to New York. It reminds

1212
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: me of the boat in Shock Waves a bit, and

1213
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: that it does not look attractive to venture upon. It

1214
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: does not look like a boat anyone would want to

1215
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: travel on recreationally. But then also, yeah, we have all

1216
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: these shots of the interior of the ship where it's

1217
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: like the Titanic in there, like the bowel with the Titanic. Yeah,

1218
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: it's called the Lazarus. Nice. So here I guess we

1219
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: meet a couple of the main characters. So we meet Renny,

1220
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: the final girl of the movie. She's played very just

1221
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: straight down the middle. She is she is a nice person.

1222
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: She is smart, she has a cute dog, and don't

1223
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: worry that the dog is not harmed in this film.

1224
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: The dog just disappears for most of the movie. And

1225
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: then at the end, after Jason has defeated, the dog

1226
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: comes running up to them and they're just like, oh, hey, buddy,

1227
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: that the ending I absolutely love because yeah, at that point,

1228
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, no real spoilers here, but Jason has killed

1229
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 1: everybody but these two kids, Um, it's been just a

1230
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: traumatic night of just murder and death and doom and

1231
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: running for your life. But then they encounter the dog

1232
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, it's great. And then they just

1233
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: go off into the city like they're they're just on

1234
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: vacation and like everyone or most of the people they knew,

1235
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: did not just all die violently. Yeah, I think do

1236
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: they go get a hot dog or something? You get

1237
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: a hot dog? And they walked through the park that

1238
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Um, well we're finally in New York,

1239
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: um and uh. But so it's Renny in the car,

1240
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: along with another character named Mrs Van Duson, who is

1241
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: a kind and nurturing teacher who just repeatedly tells Renny

1242
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: that she is so smart and so special. She explodes

1243
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: later in the movie. Yeah, played by Barbara Bingham, by

1244
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, so they introduced them in this the

1245
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 1: scene where they're like sitting in a car, and it's

1246
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: so like the first like seventeen minutes of this movie

1247
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: where there's like all these exposition lines. It's like almost

1248
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: every single line like clangs in some weird way that

1249
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: feels wrong, and you're like, huh. But so they they

1250
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: introduced these two characters. And the first thing Ms. Van

1251
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: Duson does is she like gives Renny a gift. She

1252
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: opens up a box and inside it's like a fountain pen.

1253
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: And the teacher says, Stephen King supposedly used it in

1254
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: high school. I love it. Stephen King's holy pen, a

1255
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: holy relic, supposedly used it. Really, how did she acquire it?

1256
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. Why is she giving it to Renny?

1257
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't know is Renny a writer? If so, that

1258
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: is not not ever divulged. Yeah, yeah, but I love

1259
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 1: that this holy artifact is is implanted into the picture.

1260
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting too because new Blood, the previous picture,

1261
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: you know, is often summarized as being Carrie versus Jason yea,

1262
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: which I mean loosely so, but anyway, yeah, here Stephen

1263
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: King's pen and it will come up again. And then

1264
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: immediately Ms. Van Deusen is like, You're the best student

1265
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: I've ever had. You're so brave and strong, you are

1266
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: going to survive this film. Vote of confidence. But meanwhile,

1267
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: remember that boat Jason boarded in the previous scene. Uh,

1268
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: here it is. Suddenly it appears to be floating in

1269
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,959
Speaker 1: the harbor next to the big passenger ship, the Lazarus,

1270
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: and we see Jason like pop up out of the

1271
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: water and begin to climb onto the second boat, the

1272
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: boat bound for New York. And here we come to

1273
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: a long running argument between my Friday the thirteenth enjoying

1274
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: friends and I, And the question is this, does Jason

1275
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: drive the boat? Does he drive the first boat to

1276
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: the other boat, or does he merely remain on the

1277
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: boat while it, I guess, drifts downstream to the harbor

1278
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: if the ladder, does he stand the whole time or

1279
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: does he sit while the boat is drifting. I have

1280
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: long been of the opinion that, yeah, Jason drives that boat.

1281
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: He's like work in the throttle, he's steering, he's driving.

1282
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: We never see either way, so it's it's up to interpretation.

1283
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: But a good friend of mine always insists Jason does

1284
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: not drive the boat. He just thinks it doesn't work.

1285
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: That's it reminds me of the whole Does Indiana Jones

1286
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: climb into the U boat or does he cling to

1287
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: the U boat for the entire journey part of Rated

1288
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: Lost start on this one. I'm edge brought. I brought

1289
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: it up because I got to think about it whilst

1290
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: watching the picture. I think, on one hand, this is

1291
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: essentially a Dracula Demeter situation. You know, Dracula kills everyone

1292
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: aboard the Demeter and it continues to deliver him to

1293
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: his destination. Uh. And of course the ship, you know,

1294
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: rolls up everyone's dead on board. Uh. But Dracula does

1295
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: not pilot that vessel. Um. You know, it's just kind

1296
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: of like it delivers him there, and you know, through

1297
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: dark magic and destiny and so forth. Um. So on

1298
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: one hand, I feel like that's got to be what's

1299
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: going on here. But on the other hand, Jason can

1300
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: use tools and machines. He does so sometimes to kill people.

1301
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: And while water is part of his prison, he can

1302
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: also clearly get around on water, and he's not handicapped

1303
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: by it in like a vampire since so I guess

1304
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: he could drive it. But then also this comes back

1305
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: to why does Jason want or need to travel anywhere.

1306
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: He's been very local up till now, and suddenly he's

1307
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: going to go to New York or he's gonna check

1308
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: out this boat. I don't know. Yeah, and mean, so far,

1309
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: Jason has been almost like uh, like a like a

1310
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: century robot that protects a particular location. So it's like

1311
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: you come into his territory and then he will do

1312
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: violence against you. He's not like going out elsewhere until

1313
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: this movie. I guess it's supposed to be like a

1314
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: situation of he's an accidental stowaway or he's he's drawn

1315
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: in by the fact that Renny has this weird connection

1316
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: with him, like with at least with some aspects of him.

1317
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: It gets kind of weird with the various hallucinations she

1318
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: has a young zombie mutant Jason um some very nice

1319
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,879
Speaker 1: hallucination sequences. By the way, there are some very artistic

1320
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 1: sequences in this film dealing with her flashbacks and visions

1321
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: and hallucinations that I don't think it enough credit. Okay,

1322
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna explain the whole plot, but we

1323
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: should at least mention who some of the main characters are.

1324
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: So you got Renny, and you've got miss van Duson

1325
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: and they're getting on the boat, then I would say

1326
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: you've got Sean. Sean is the pretty boy again. He

1327
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: fills the role of the final girl's love interest. He

1328
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: is handsome, heroic, and otherwise devoid of personality traits. They

1329
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: tried to fill in some character shading on this one

1330
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: with one of the most ludicrous connections they could have

1331
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: come up with. Sean's father happens to be the captain

1332
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: of the ship that they are all riding to New York,

1333
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: and Sean is a great disappointment to his father, who,

1334
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: by the way, kind of looks like l Ron Hubbard

1335
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: in his sea captain outfit. Because Sean, Sean is a

1336
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: disappointment because he is a failure at being a boat captain. Uh,

1337
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: He's like, I guess his dad wants him to be

1338
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: a boat captain as well, and Sean like forgets to

1339
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: do the international maritime signal when they're going underway and stuff.

1340
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: All right, So that's Sean, and Sean will redeem himself

1341
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: later on in my eyes anyway. Oh okay, I can't

1342
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: wait to hear it. Okay, So we also got like

1343
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: the principal guy, Mr McCulloch, who is a strict and

1344
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: overbearing either teacher or principal. He happens to be chaperoning

1345
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: this senior trip. His interests include scolding, shouting, finger wagging, warning, hectoring, excoriating,

1346
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: and naysaying. He's like a combination of Principal Skinner and

1347
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: Robert Stack from Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, and like I said,

1348
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: this is a character that initially seems unlikable and is

1349
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: just a stick in the mud and is the authority

1350
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: figure to the teens. But also we get additional wrinkles

1351
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: later on where we learned that he is maybe a

1352
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 1: little slow to say, hey, teenage student, put your clothing

1353
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: back on. And also he is the type of uncle

1354
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: who will just push you into the lake to help

1355
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: you learn how to swim, even though there there may

1356
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: be like undead monster children down there somewhere. Yeah. So,

1357
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: so Rennie's like character flaw is that she's afraid of

1358
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: the water. Uh. Yeah, And and we learned in a

1359
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: flashback later on, I think when Rennie is staring at

1360
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: us puddle in the street, or maybe it's all of

1361
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: gasoline after a car explode. God, yes, it's after the

1362
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: car explode. This is one of the many wonderfully shot

1363
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: like this is like a beautiful moment in this film.

1364
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: Um that I was captivated by m okay. Uh. Well,

1365
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 1: she does look into a puddle and she has a

1366
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: memory of when uh this guy, oh, who we also

1367
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: find out is her uncle and guardian. Yeah, she's looking

1368
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: into the flaming puddle and then we see something's moving

1369
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: across the puddle. What is it? Is it a tiny boat?

1370
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 1: And it is like the yeah, the memory that the

1371
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: that the wide shot of the boat on the lake

1372
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: on Crystal Lake, but like superimposed or whatever within the

1373
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: flaming puddle, and everything's very soft focus because it's a flashback,

1374
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's like her as a kid and her her

1375
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: mean vice principal uncle is like, you're going to learn

1376
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: to swim, and the way that will happen is I

1377
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: will shove you into the water and command you to swim.

1378
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I can't swim, and he's like, swim, swim,

1379
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: you can do it. Oh, but the principal here, he Also,

1380
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 1: he's the guy who once people start concluding that the

1381
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: murders are being committed by Jason Vorhees, just like the

1382
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: in the old stories, this guy is the doubter who

1383
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: must be punished for his skepticism. Most of the Jason

1384
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: movies have some form of this. Somebody's like, Jason Vorhees

1385
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: is dead. You know, you're being ridiculous. He can't be

1386
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: behind this, and then a couple of scenes later, Jason

1387
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: cuts them in half of the saw or something. So

1388
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: let's see who are the other major characters among the

1389
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: mini victims. There's there's Julius. As we said, he's kind

1390
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: of the jock character, but he's not the standard jock bully.

1391
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: He's more of a a sort of likable, brash hero.

1392
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: He's a boxer in training. We see him doing a

1393
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: boxing scene. There's like a boxing ring on this boat. Uh.

1394
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: And there's a scene where once they figure out Jason's

1395
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: murdering everybody. Um, Mr McCulloch is like, everyone do what

1396
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: I say, and Julius says, no schools out and he

1397
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: has a stupendous boxing match with Jason on the roof

1398
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: of a nondescript building. I think In an earlier draft

1399
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: of the script, this was going to take place at

1400
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,959
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. Oh, it's a it is a wonderful

1401
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: fight sequence because, yeah, he stands up to Jason. He

1402
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: starts throwing punches. He's connecting with these punches. Jason staggering

1403
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: a bit. He's working Jason towards the edge of the roof,

1404
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know what's gonna happen. You know,

1405
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get a knockout on Jason, or if

1406
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: he does, Jason's gonna get up and stab him or something.

1407
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: So you know, this isn't gonna work. But but for

1408
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: a minute, there's hope. But then he's he wears himself out,

1409
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: just wears himself out punching on Jason, and then out

1410
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: of breath, he he's he dares Jason to give him

1411
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: a shot. He's like, give me your best shot. Jason

1412
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: rears back, punches his head completely off, which goes flying

1413
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: off the roof of the building into a dumpster. And

1414
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: then we get rolling headcam. Did you know they like

1415
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: they have like a tumbling camera shot. It's from the

1416
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: point of view of the rolling head. Yeah, I think

1417
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: they took that from Polanski's Macbeth. I think we had

1418
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: a rolling head shot. There is a there's there is

1419
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: a decapitated head p o V in that movie. Maybe

1420
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: there's some connection. Let's see, there's some other characters. There's

1421
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: there's the mean girl in movie like this, you gotta

1422
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: have the mean girl. I think the character's name is Tamara.

1423
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh So a lot of these movies have a character

1424
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: like in part seven, I think the one she's named Melissa.

1425
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: This is basically a blonde girl who is implied to

1426
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: be from a rich family who's at the top of

1427
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: the social pyramid, who bullies everyone of a of a

1428
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: lesser station in that social pyramid. Uh usually including doing

1429
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: some kind of mean prank or diss on the final girl.

1430
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 1: Tamera also does the drugs though, and she she shoves

1431
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,839
Speaker 1: Renny off the side of the boat for no reason,

1432
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: like really just like oops, whoops, shoves her into the water,

1433
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: though she was on the drugs at the time. Yes,

1434
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: speaking of the drugs, you also have Tamora's friend Eva.

1435
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: This is the one played by Kelly who who is

1436
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: like the nicer, cool girl. She's best friends with the

1437
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: evil rich girl. There's one part where the mean girl

1438
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: is like, um hey, let's do illegal drugs, and Eva

1439
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know what if I lose my

1440
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: science scholarship. Yeah. Yeah, she seems like a good character.

1441
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: I thought she is. She is doomed by association. You

1442
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: got Wayne, this is the geek of the movie. This

1443
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: is the a V Club guy. He's running around with

1444
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: a video camera. Actually predating the creation of the found

1445
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: footage movie. This is a movie where a character in

1446
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: a life or death scenario is still filming everything. Yeah. Yeah,

1447
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: I thought about that a little bit. Yeah, it's like, oh,

1448
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of like this would be

1449
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: the whole movie later on annoyingly. Um so maybe that

1450
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons it. I was increasingly in

1451
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: favor of this character's death. We already mentioned Miles because

1452
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: this is the guy played by Gordon Curry who's in

1453
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: the Left Behind movies, but also I wanted to mention

1454
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: a few things about him, even though he is not

1455
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: a very notable character. In fact, I don't know if

1456
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: he has any lines that remain in the final cut.

1457
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: He's just standing around. Maybe he's a couple. Yeah, he's

1458
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: so unnotable that I had him. I had his his

1459
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: character misattributed in the notes here. I was thinking this

1460
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: actor must be the guy who plays the video game.

1461
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, I added backwards, it's easy to blend

1462
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: these characters together. Well, I wanted to mention a couple

1463
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: of things about him. One is that when we first

1464
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: see him, he's in like the pilots I don't know

1465
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: what you call it, the pilot's room, the place where

1466
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: you pilot the ship. He's standing there with Shawn and

1467
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Shawn's dad, dressed up in the captain's uniform. Uh. And

1468
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: uh he appeared and in the scene he appears to

1469
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: be wearing a sweatshirt with a picture of the Titanic

1470
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: on it. And also there's a deleted scene that you

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01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: can watch. You got the low ray of this. Uh.

1472
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: This when we very first meet this character. Uh. Captain

1473
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: Daddy here says some hilarious line to It's hard to

1474
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: capture the exact awkwardness of it, but it is something like, hello, Miles,

1475
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: congratulations on winning second place on that intramural diving competition.

1476
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: What do you say Once we're out on the ocean

1477
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: and I cut the engines, throw anchor and let you

1478
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: take a few dives off the back Yeah, that's that's

1479
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: something you do. Yeah. Yeah, and uh I I can't

1480
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: imagine why they cut that moment out. But then yeah,

1481
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: and then I think blond guy is just like whoa

1482
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: bodacious Yeah. Captain the actor playing Captain Daddy in this

1483
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: uh is he has some some other line. There's one

1484
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: where he's talking to I don't know his like first

1485
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: night or something, asking him about his kid and how

1486
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: old his kid is, and he's like eighteen months. And

1487
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: then with like just such this earnest delivery, Captain Daddy

1488
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: says hell of an age or something like that. Uh,

1489
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: and it was, but it was like so earnestly delivered.

1490
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, is it it was? Was

1491
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: eighteen month? Really a hell of an age? I don't know.

1492
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if it really was. I'm not sure

1493
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: I would have been didn't didn't. I mean, this is

1494
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: all relative, but I was I was quizzing. I was

1495
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: quizzing myself over that proclamation. Okay, so you got all

1496
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: the people on the boat, Jason gets on the boat,

1497
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: the boat departs. After that, there is not a whole

1498
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 1: lot of plot. Rather, there are just the standard mechanics

1499
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: of a Friday and movie with some location twists. So

1500
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: Jason murders basically everybody on the boat one by one.

1501
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: This is the majority of the movie. Then the boat

1502
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: starts exploding. Then the remaining survivors at the time, which

1503
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: is Renny, Sean, Mr. McCulloch, Mrs Van Duson, and Julius

1504
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: and the dog. The dog's okay. They take a rowboat

1505
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: the rest of the way to Vancouver or I mean

1506
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: New York. They see the Statue of Liberty and they cheer.

1507
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Then they like go up to a dock, and the

1508
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: moment they arrive in New York, like literally as they're

1509
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: leaving the dock, they are attacked by a heavy metal band. Uh.

1510
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: And then Jason chases them around New York for like

1511
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and kills everybody except Renny and Sean. And

1512
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: then in a final twist, Jason is defeated when he

1513
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: follows them into the sewer. The sewer, we're told by

1514
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: a sewer worker, floods every night at midnight with toxic waste.

1515
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: The clock strokes midnight, Jason is hit by toxic waste.

1516
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: Renny and Shawn avoided by climbing up a ladder, and

1517
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: then the toxic waste turns Jason back into a child

1518
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: version of himself. Well, um, I have some thoughts on this.

1519
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: So we're talking about a little bit about this off Mike,

1520
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: because yes, the flood of toxic waste moves in, destroys Jason,

1521
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and then when she looks down, she sees him as

1522
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: a child again. Now, my interpretation of this is that

1523
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: Jason is actually just um sludge at this point. He's

1524
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: toxic sludge like floating in the shape of Adjason in

1525
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: the water. But via her weird hallucinogenic connection with ghost

1526
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: kid Jason, which has established several times in the movie

1527
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: with some really at times I think, very creative hallucination sequences. Um,

1528
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,919
Speaker 1: she sees the child, That's what she sees there instead

1529
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: of of the sludge. It's like she sees Jason the

1530
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: child finally at peace, finally uh you know actually, and

1531
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: so he's sleeping, but he's sleeping the eternal sleep of

1532
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: of of true death. But I mean, this is a

1533
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: movie with magic in it, so it could be he

1534
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: was turned into a straight up child. Uh, and the

1535
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: child is floating now in the sewers of New York.

1536
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: It invites interpretational like this film is like taxi driver. Um, okay, oh,

1537
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: let's see, let's see, let's see. What else did I

1538
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: want to so? Um? I love that the new Even

1539
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: you spend so much time on the boat, it feels

1540
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: like you're always going to be on the boat. And

1541
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,879
Speaker 1: then when you do finally get to New York. Despite

1542
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: the fact that this was the selling point of the movie,

1543
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: it weird. It weirdly feels like bonus movie. It's like

1544
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 1: it was an interesting feeling, even though again this was

1545
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: what we were sold in the teaser trailers that it

1546
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: was gonna be Jason in New York. Right before you

1547
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: logged on here, Rob Seth and I were talking about it,

1548
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: and Seth suggested that the movie could be called Jason

1549
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Still Cruising. That would be good because it is mostly boat. Yeah,

1550
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: it is. It's kind of like I mentioned Dracula and

1551
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: the Demeter earlier. Again, the section where Dracula is on

1552
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: the boat is just a small portion of the novel,

1553
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: a great portion, that is, you know, given adequate amount

1554
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: of time and space in the novel. Um But then again,

1555
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: the novel is not titled Dracula Goes to England, so

1556
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: or Dracula takes England or whatever. So it's it's like

1557
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: it's different in that regard as well, but there's at

1558
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: least well, I think there's a movie project in the

1559
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: works called like the Last Voyage of the Demeter that

1560
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: is going to be like, okay, that one section of

1561
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 1: the novel as a full blown motion picture. What happened

1562
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: on the boat that that that transported Dracula to England?

1563
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: How did all those people die? What's all sorts of

1564
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: horrible things occurred? And to a certain extent, you could

1565
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 1: almost look like, look at this movie like that, like

1566
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: this movie is trying to fill in a gap that

1567
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 1: nobody wanted filled in just yet. This is interesting comparing

1568
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Uh Jason Takes Manhattan to Dracula, there are a lot

1569
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: of parallels. I mean, they're both a movie about a

1570
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: sort of monster that is the that is the master

1571
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: of its own rural domain. It is out somewhere far

1572
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: from the city, and it's even tied to the soil

1573
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: of that location. Yes, yes, it's tied to the soil.

1574
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: And then makes a journey by sea to the metropolitan

1575
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: center and uh and arrives where there is you know,

1576
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 1: great population density and modernity and technology and comes in

1577
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: collision with all these things. Okay, yeah, this is a

1578
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: good Dracula is Jason takes Manhattan. I like it. Um.

1579
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned major center of population. That's one of

1580
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the reasons I love when they initially show up in

1581
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: New York because it seems almost completely depopulated at first.

1582
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: This is the largest city in the US, and Manhattan

1583
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Island is a major center of population, and yet there's

1584
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: virtually nobody there. It's it's only violent criminals. Yeah, you

1585
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: expect to see snake pliskin wandering around back there is something. Yeah,

1586
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: I found it interesting that McCulloch dies in that what

1587
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: I think is the same barrel of sludge that had

1588
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: the rat in it from earlier. Uh, Jason just dumps

1589
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: him over and drowns him, pushes his feet down into it.

1590
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: He kills him with the dip from Roger Rabbit. It's like,

1591
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's the judge. Yeah. Yeah, And meanwhile he's

1592
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: down there going in current b Jayson warries. We we

1593
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: get subway tunnel action, which instantly, I mean, you put

1594
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: a monster in a subway and I'm there, I'm committed

1595
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 1: to the picture. And this is this the action sequence

1596
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: to where Sean totally redeems himself, jumps at at like

1597
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 1: leaps at Jason and administers a lying bulldog like a

1598
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: flying headlock head driver like he's a Steiner brother coming

1599
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: off the top rope and drives Jason head first into

1600
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: the third rail electrocuting. I want to hear the math

1601
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: promo for that. It was fabulous. I loved it. I

1602
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: had to watch it twice. Um so, yeah, they battle

1603
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: down there, they come out into Times Square and all

1604
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: there's this glorious moment where we had established punks in

1605
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Times Square earlier, same punks are there again, listening to

1606
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: rap music. They have rap music playing on their um

1607
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: their boom box, and Jason comes by. He's after our

1608
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: main characters, but he has time to to violently kick

1609
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: over their boom box. They do not react well to this,

1610
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and they're like, they're like hey man, They're like, you know,

1611
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: stepping to Jason. Jason just turns around. He doesn't have

1612
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: time to kill them all. He's suddenly in an area

1613
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: where they're just this is a new situation for Jason, right,

1614
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: there are too many people to kill all of them.

1615
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: He has to leave some behind. But to to get

1616
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 1: rid of the punks. He just turns around, actually lifts

1617
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: up his mask. We don't see anything. He's facing away

1618
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: from the camera, but they all just run away in fear.

1619
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: Wonderful moment. Loved this moment, but we don't. Yeah, so

1620
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: it's it's great because in this movie, we haven't seen

1621
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: what his face design is going to look like yet,

1622
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: so we're we're enticed. We're like, how scary is it

1623
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna be? And oh boy, the reveal is so underwhelming. Yeah,

1624
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: especially coming off of New Blood, because in New Blood

1625
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: the reveal is horrifying. They do a great job of like, oh,

1626
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: you've ripped off his mask and it's not you know,

1627
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: it's it's the thing is I guess sometimes in these

1628
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: films it's like Jason is supposed to be kind of

1629
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: awkward and disfigured underneath. Like it comes back to the

1630
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: basic hard trope, what does removing the mask do? Are

1631
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: you like, are you revealing like the shame or the

1632
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: weakness of the individual. Are you unleashing the monster even more?

1633
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: And in New Blood it was definitely a release of

1634
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: the monster because this this this grizzled and disfigured and

1635
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: rotting face of a rev It is just just terrifying

1636
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to it to behold. In this movie, I feel like

1637
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: we take a step backwards and we get more into

1638
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the Let's reveal the like the awkward dirtiness of the

1639
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: of the Revenant. Let's take away some of his strength

1640
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: by unmasking him. Yeah, his face in this movie is

1641
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of cute. He's almost like a slimy gray muppet. Yeah,

1642
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: he has kind of a muppet qualities, kind of like

1643
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of a sensibility when in the face is revealed.

1644
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: After Um, I believe, she picks up a bucket that's

1645
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: labeled toxic waste right down in the sewers, because they

1646
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: end up going into the sewers down the Chud territory. Yeah,

1647
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: throws it in his face and it starts steaming, and

1648
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the mask comes off, and there's his there's there's the

1649
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: face of Jason, and Jason takes Manhattan. It looks and

1650
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: while it looks a little dirty at first, I will

1651
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: say that as we proceed and we see him like

1652
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: shambling down the tunnel after them, Um, I didn't look

1653
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: as to me. So, Yeah, in this tunnel, they're they're

1654
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 1: trying to escape Jason. They've come up out of the subway,

1655
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: he chases them. They're in Times Square. This is the

1656
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: actually shot in Times Square. I think there's like one

1657
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 1: or two scenes actually shot in New York. This was

1658
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: really Times Square. I guess they had to get the

1659
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: crowds to the side, like behind the barricades to clear

1660
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: it out for Jason. And and there are great stories

1661
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: of when they were filming this, like it did draw crowds.

1662
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: People were really excited to see Jason shooting in Times Square,

1663
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and you know, they were all waving to him and

1664
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: blowing him kisses and stuff. And but yeah, after this,

1665
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: they run into a diner. Somebody's trying to kill us.

1666
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Welcome to New York. They run out the back of

1667
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: the diner. They run down into the sewers. They meet

1668
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a sewer worker who's like, we've got to get out

1669
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: of here. The sewers flood with toxic waste every night

1670
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: at midnight. And then Jason hits that guy with a

1671
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: wrench and then she throws toxic waste in his face,

1672
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: and then the floods come and and that's it. Yeah,

1673
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a magical ending. But the

1674
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: dog is okay. They come up out of the sewer,

1675
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, everything's okay now, and then the dog

1676
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Speaker 1: runs up to them and it's happily ever after. M hmm,

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Speaker 1: or is it because here's another read? This is this

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01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: is this is kind of a radical read on the picture.

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Speaker 1: What if they died in the tunnel with Jason, they

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01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: were dissolved as well, and when they emerge, they are

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01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: emerging into the afterlife. That's why they're suddenly okay and

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01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: New York isn't threatening anymore, and the dog is the

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01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: psychopomp that's gonna guide them the rest of the way

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Speaker 1: so they can continue to traverse the risk and terrors

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01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: of the afterlife. Well, what does the monologue say at

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01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: the beginning? There is no escape, nor do we want it. Uh,

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01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: those New Yorkers, you know it's weird. I'm just looking

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01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: at our page of all all of the weird house

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Speaker 1: cinema movies we've done, and I got to say that

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this episode and that Jason Takes Manhattan

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01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: is simultaneously one of the most mainstream movies we've ever

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01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: done and one of the stupidest. Oh yeah, it's so good.

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01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Jason Takes Manhattan. Uh, And and it is it is

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01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: tooken for sure. Uh So if you want to see

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01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: Jason Takes Manhattan, I mean, for starters, there's a very

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01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: good chance you've seen it already. But if you haven't,

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01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: if you managed to get through most of your life

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01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: without watching it, beginning to end like like I had,

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01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: it is widely available obviously. Um. I can't speak to streaming,

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01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 1: and I have a friend of mine who recently decided

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01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: he was gonna watch all the Friday the thirteenth movies,

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01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: and he was going through other franchises as well, and

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01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of having to play hop scotch from

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01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: one streaming site to another to watch them all. So

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01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly where how you need to stream

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01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: this movie right now, but it's widely available as physical media. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They've put out I think multiple special blue ray can collections.

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01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: I rented a disc at Video Drome off of I

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01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: think the the Friday eight movie collection, which I quite

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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: liked because again I got to watch to Jason movies

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Speaker 1: for the price of one. A little bit of trivia

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01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: going back to part seven the New Blood, did you

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01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: know that this is only one of the possible scripts

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01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 1: that could have become Friday the thirteenth, Part eight. Another

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01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: option was going to have the Tina character, the psychic

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01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: girl from part seven, return and do battle with Jason again. Well,

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01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like a winning concept as well. Uh,

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01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have wanted a world in which Jason

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01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: takes Manhattan. Doesn't happen though, But Tina was a great character.

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01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have seen her again. Oh,

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01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: you could have combined them. I mean, it could have

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01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: been Tina's graduating class, so she's a psychic, she's on

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Speaker 1: the boat and the Jason gets on the boat the

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01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: gold Manhattan. It could have worked. Yeah, Or then the

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Speaker 1: one after this where they send out the bounty hunters

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01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: to to bring him down. If that had been conceptualized differently, Um,

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01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, you could have had a Tina be the

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01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: go to, like, who are you going to go to

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01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: to take Jason down? Go to somebody who has not

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01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 1: only survived him, but overcome him with inhuman powers, do

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: you want to hear? Or one other alternate idea for

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01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: Jason A it was going to be that the hunk

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01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: from part seven. Actually it turns out that part seven

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01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: was a dream and he was the real Killer. What, Well,

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01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: that's that's awful. I'm glad they didn't do that. Can

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01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,799
Speaker 1: you imagine that if you transition from Hunk to Jason,

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01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason is is he is a physical specimen

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01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: to be sure. All right, well, we're gonna go ahead

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Speaker 1: and close it out right there, but we'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear from everyone out there. What are your thoughts on

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01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: Jason Takes Manhattan or The Friday the Thirteenth franchise in general,

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01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: any of the specific movies we mentioned in this episode.

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01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 1: Let us know, we'd love to hear from you. What

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01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: do you think about this film's depiction of New York City?

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01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: New Yorker's uh tourists to the City of New York

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01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: certainly chime in as well. Oh yeah, I can't believe

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01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: they didn't end it with Jason buying a bunch of

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01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: Yankees gear and it's just decked out, head out Yankee stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. There's so much stuff with that. There's

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01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: so many ideas that you could have pitched for Jason

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01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: spending let's saying, an entire films length within the city

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01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: of Manhattan. There's so many directions to have gone into.

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01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: You could do a whole film series just about about

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01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Jason in Manhattan. But well, in earlier plans for this

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01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: movie they did want that. I mean, he was gonna

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01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: go to go to Madison Square Garden, go to the

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01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty, all that. They just didn't have the budget. Yeah,

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01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: kept getting scaled back more and more boat less and

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01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: less New York. Well there you go. But in the

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Speaker 1: end I was pretty pleased with it. So hey have yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you want to check out other episodes of Weird

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Speaker 1: House Cinema, we published it every Friday, and the Stuff

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Speaker 1: but on Friday's we put most of that aside and

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Speaker 1: we just talked about a weird film. Again. I'll blog

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Speaker 1: this up at some new to music dot com And

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Speaker 1: also we have a letterbox that's l E T T

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Speaker 1: user name is weird House and I update that as well,

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Speaker 1: a nice visual representation of what we've done so far.

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