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Speaker 1: in another Jersey boy Boyne and Patterson went to Wayne

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Speaker 1: High School, Wayne Hills High School and Wayne, New Jersey obviously,

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Speaker 1: and he is the number one analyst for the NFL

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Speaker 1: on Fox. Former NFL tight end Greg Olson Gregg, how

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Speaker 1: are you, man? I'm doing well, what's happening? Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me? Not appreciate it. So, between you and Burkhard,

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Speaker 1: do you guys only allow Jersey guys on your TV

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Speaker 1: crew like or all your camera guys in Jersey too? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have rule. We have a strict We have a

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Speaker 1: of New Yorkers in based on where they're from. But uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just funny how things work. Um A lot

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Speaker 1: of Jersey guys, a lot of guys in the industry

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Speaker 1: of fun stories comparing kind of high school stories and

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Speaker 1: where everybody grew up and what part of the shore

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Speaker 1: they went to and all that good stuff. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys have like Bruce playing in the background door we

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Speaker 1: just like born to Run and just uh just have

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Speaker 1: Taylor Ham sandwiches. Absolutely, and I appreciate you allowing a

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Speaker 1: New Yorker. I was born in Brooklyn, you know, be

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Speaker 1: a part of your crew and family. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: No problem, Absolutely, let's get to it. I'm sure when

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Speaker 1: you and Kevin looked at your schedule at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the year, you didn't look at your calendar and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're probably gonna be doing Giants and Lions

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Speaker 1: in week eleven. I think that's where we're gonna be going.

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Speaker 1: It's a big, pretty big surprise by both teams, right

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Speaker 1: it is. You know, I was hoping, you know, I

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Speaker 1: and they always text me like, you know, when are

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Speaker 1: you gonna come to a Giants game, and before the year,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, I just it's a great market.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Fox would love to have them, um, you

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Speaker 1: know on our on our platform and us calling the games.

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Speaker 1: Just you gotta get him to win some games. So

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Speaker 1: here they are, right, seven and two, UM playing really well.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave Bolls probably told of the year, I

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Speaker 1: don't care how things go. The fact that they're seven

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Speaker 1: two this week, UM is probably faster than anybody imagine

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Speaker 1: this quote unquote turnaround or rebuild would would take. So

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Speaker 1: hats off to them. It's cool to come back to

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Speaker 1: Jersey MetLife. Obviously, I grew up thirty minutes down the

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Speaker 1: We had the Lions a couple of weeks ago. They're

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Speaker 1: really they're actually a really fun team to watch. I

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Speaker 1: know their record. They're like the exact opposite of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: They play all close games, but they had lost them

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the biggest thing that that coach

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Speaker 1: think years back, offenses realized our best chance of scoring

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Speaker 1: Everything's about how much can we score? How many points

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Speaker 1: coverage is we're gonna keep everything in front of us,

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Speaker 1: run game leads to more points, We're not gonna change

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Speaker 1: you know, is that eventually going to force the Giants

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Speaker 1: They're just not built for that. Dabo is not gonna

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Speaker 1: those are the metrics that matter the days of total

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Speaker 1: play going. Yeah, and and their comeback victories too, Greg,

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Speaker 1: it's been amazing They've also come back in these games

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Speaker 1: which is really one of the toughest schedules left remaining

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Speaker 1: quit We're gonna find out fast in the next you

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Speaker 1: know week, yeah, week from today that you know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see them Sunday against Um against Detroit and then

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Speaker 1: quick turnaround, we're gonna be out in Dallas to call

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Speaker 1: their game against the Cowboys. So we're gonna see the Giants,

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Speaker 1: uh pretty quick turnaround here in the next seven days,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be challenged. And I think defensively, as

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Speaker 1: you said, I think Wink. I really like Wink. We

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Speaker 1: had a couple of their games last year and he

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Speaker 1: exactly where he stands, and you get into third down,

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Speaker 1: he's bringing it and he's gonna bring it from everywhere

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Speaker 1: and anywhere, and he's saying, listen, we might not be

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Speaker 1: better get the ball out fast and we gotta tackle,

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Speaker 1: or you better be damn good upfront because we're bringing

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys rushing the passer. Obviously very strong interiorally,

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Speaker 1: in terior or wise on the defensive line in UM

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Speaker 1: in New York. So it's it's a he's got enough

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Speaker 1: guys that he can piece it together. UM. I know

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Speaker 1: there's some moving parts in the secondary, but I think

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Speaker 1: Winks done a great job. I think his attitude, I

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Speaker 1: think he was a great higher by by Dave's um.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna find out you mentioned, they're gonna play

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Speaker 1: some really good offenses, you know, starting on Sunday, an

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Speaker 1: offense that might you can call it probably inconsistent, but

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out on Sunday and then definitely find

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Speaker 1: out next next week, a week from today when they

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Speaker 1: play on Thanksgiving against against Dallas. How do you see

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Speaker 1: the NFC East playing out? You got a one loss

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Speaker 1: Eagles team to lost Giants, three lost Cowboys, Washington with

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Speaker 1: the big upset against Philly, They're now at five dred.

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Speaker 1: How do you see the nfcas playing out? Hey, if

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Speaker 1: you would have told anyone that the NFC East would

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Speaker 1: be at the top of the at the top of

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Speaker 1: the conference as far as the division, I think people

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Speaker 1: would have thought you were crazy. Um. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a testament to a lot of these coaches. I think

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Speaker 1: you go across the board, they all have good coaches.

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Speaker 1: They all have guys that be able to steady the

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Speaker 1: ship when things have gonne sideways. Um. We started the

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Speaker 1: show by saying Dave should be the coach of the

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Speaker 1: year barring an absolute catastrophe of a second half the season,

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Speaker 1: which I just don't I don't see happening. I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna continue to just be in every game. Could

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Speaker 1: they lose some and go the other way, sure, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna just fall on its face,

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Speaker 1: um you know. And then obviously Ron's been doing it

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Speaker 1: for a long time in Washington. McCarthy has done an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable job with what he's done into in a couple

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Speaker 1: of years, getting Dallas turned around. And then nixt Siriani. Men,

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Speaker 1: who would have ever thought last year we called a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Philly games and we liked him. We thought

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Speaker 1: he was great, We thought he was smart, but we

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Speaker 1: thought they had a little bit of a rebuild. We

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Speaker 1: weren't sure Galen hurts. So you look across the board,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun division. We're we're glad to

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Speaker 1: finally start getting some of these other teams. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll have Philly down the stretch. Obviously we'll have the

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Speaker 1: Giants a couple of times. So we're excited to see

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Speaker 1: the other two teams in the in the division. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think right now it's really up for

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Speaker 1: grabs because they're all gonna play each other, which is

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Speaker 1: the way they let the leak's the schedulemakers. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think let the division teams battle it out in the

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Speaker 1: second half of the season and compete for those playoff spots. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: four straight divisions with the Giants after this Lins game

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Speaker 1: final question, Greg, is the NFC playoff pictures clear cut

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Speaker 1: as it looks to me? Tell me what I'm missing here.

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Speaker 1: You've got the three NFC East teams, right, You've got

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Speaker 1: the two teams out west in Seattle and San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: which everyone likes. The Vikings are running away with the North,

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Speaker 1: and I think we all feel pretty good that the

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Speaker 1: Bucks are going to figure out a way to win

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Speaker 1: the NFC South. Is there another team you think in

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Speaker 1: the conference that can make a run to challenge for

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Speaker 1: one of those what is it now, seven playoff spots

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. What do you think those are the seven? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I think those are the seven right now.

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Speaker 1: If you're a betting man, I think you'd say, okay,

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Speaker 1: in some former fashion, whether you know whether Seattle wins

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Speaker 1: the division and San Francisco is a wild card or

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Speaker 1: vice versa. Same thing in the NFC East, whoever wins it,

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Speaker 1: and again, barring a complete catastrophe, likely that three NFC

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Speaker 1: East teams can find their way in now with the

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Speaker 1: extra wild cards. So if there is a team, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the South's obviously not going to get a

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Speaker 1: wild card, so they'll get whoever just happens to come

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Speaker 1: out on top. You have, you'd probably bet on Tampa

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Speaker 1: if you were just looking at it objectively. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then in the NFC North, which is really the only

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Speaker 1: lasting piece, Yes, Minnesota's running away with it. You can't

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Speaker 1: see them losing it. Is it out of the realm

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Speaker 1: of possibility? If Green Bay wins tonight, they'd get they'd

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Speaker 1: get to five hundred, maybe five and five I think, Um.

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Speaker 1: I think they're four and five after last week's win

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Speaker 1: against Dallas, so they'd be give or take right around

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Speaker 1: five hundred. Could you see them going on Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: esque second half run. It seemed unlikely two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: but as we all know in the NFL, and things

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Speaker 1: change fast. Whoever thought they were gonna beat Dallas, we

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Speaker 1: were there for that game. They win tonight against Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you count out Aaron Rodgers. I

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Speaker 1: know they're battered, I know they're hurt, banged up. I

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Speaker 1: think if there is an eighth team, and again I

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Speaker 1: think this is a low probability, but they're on the

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Speaker 1: They're on the the page. If there is an eighth

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Speaker 1: team to get those having spots, the eighth would probably

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Speaker 1: be Green Bay, although unlikely in the given moment, but

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Speaker 1: you never know. Find the Jersey Boy, Greg Olsen coming

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Speaker 1: home with Kevin Burke Cahart What o'clock on Fox on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Giants and Lions. Go check it out, Greg, good stuff, man,

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Awesome work all year. Your your

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Speaker 1: crew is great. You guys do a great job calling

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Speaker 1: these games. We enjoy watching you. Thanks so much, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see you at the stadium on Sunday. All right,

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Speaker 1: you guy it, thanks so much. Take care. That's Greg

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