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Look At Radio is a radiophonic novella 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast, 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm fiosa and I'm mala. You can follow us across 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: all social media platforms like Instagram, Twitter, TikTok and even clubhouse. 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: That's at look at Underscore Radio. Yes, yes, and if 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: you are looking for a findom drain, if you aspire 31 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: to be our human world, you know we are raising 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: money to Lung Production company. So now is the time 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: you can escort yourself right on over to our venmo 34 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: at local dash Radio. 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She is going to be an author. 43 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: She is an author, and we are just so excited 44 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: to have her on the podcast today to talk about Christianity, 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: to talk about her book and everything. We're just gonna 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: let the conversation go where it needs to go. So Pudisca, welcome, 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. We'll ask our audio editor, 48 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: Jordan's to add some applause just for you. We've never 49 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: done that for anyone else, but well it makes sense. 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: I thank you for having me. Welcome. We're like a 51 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: little loopy all. It's late Nashville for Budisca time. It's 52 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Senora time. It's almost eight o'clock here on the West coast, 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: and that's labor Us too. Anyway. We also we also 54 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: like go way way back. We like you guys like 55 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: have probably heard our origins story like how we met, 56 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: and we always bring up Brisca and so we will 57 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: probably revisit that fateful night, that legendary night, I dare 58 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: say historic history. Remember I had blood on my dress. 59 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: It was legendary, was on several on several but you 60 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: know what, we were there. We were all there to 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: support each other through it. Yeah, it was it was cute. 62 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: We'll get there. So we're having a time. We're reconnecting tonight. 63 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: This is like a little reunion. Um, we're all a 64 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: little up in our own ways. No okay. I mean 65 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: we have some questions prepared, but I feel like we're 66 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: so like loose right now, Like let's like take it back, 67 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about but he's got introduced yourself formally. Please 68 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: let the people know. I doubt anybody listening doesn't know 69 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: who Prisca is, but please let the people know, you know, 70 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: give them a little bit of background. I mean, oh 71 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: my gosh, I don't even know where to start. I 72 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: guess in two thousands thirteen, Sinco Mayo I started Latina 73 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: Rebels and on Instagram, Latin Nikis media was really well anywhere, 74 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: Latin Kis media was either like which is like really 75 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: white washed and um it told a certain narrative and 76 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: that upheld a certain it leaned into stereotypes. Sometimes it's 77 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: done weird things like black face and it's been a 78 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: very weird space or other platforms that were maybe more left, 79 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: but all they were doing was trying to do the 80 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: same thing that white publications were doing, which was like 81 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: reporting ship and they were trying to be legit, and 82 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: I was just like, this is cool, but this isn't cute, 83 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: this isn't fun, this isn't interesting, and it doesn't get 84 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: to the nuances of who I am. So I was 85 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: just like, I'm sure there's other Latinas specifically, and latin 86 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: ki is also who just identify with being like smart 87 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: and nerdy and like a little ratchet and like funny 88 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: and toxic sometimes. But it's just like, I feel like 89 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: there was so many nuances to us and we weren't 90 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: allowed to be that in the media. So I was 91 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: just like, I'm just gonna make a page for all 92 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: that exists, and it's like okay to exist that way, 93 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: and that maybe it's still a little page in like 94 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: a lot of ways for what it does. There's other 95 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: places still that do it. They almost like crank it 96 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: out at this point, so it is what it is. 97 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: It's like very grassroots. It stayed. I don't I've been 98 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: asked till you have it bought. I've I've been proposed 99 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: many weird things with it, but I just feel like 100 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: it just will take away from what it was supposed 101 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: to do. When you have a lot of voices having 102 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: opinions and it's working so far, I think, I don't know, No, 103 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: it's definitely working. I mean I think back when I 104 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: found Latina Rebels and like, I don't know, maybe like 105 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: that was one of the first like Latina like political 106 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: like social justice, like touching on the nuances like you said, 107 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: like that was one of the first accounts that I followed. 108 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: Y'all are like definitely like O G s in the 109 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: like I G platform space. Yeah, and I think in 110 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: the ways that ma Lah and like Sahida did that 111 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter because there were other places not a lot, yeah, 112 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: not a lot, like tumbler if you were good enough 113 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: at it, and like Twitter where you can find like 114 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: my that tweeting that very smart, being really sharp, just 115 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: like you all know you listen to the episode time 116 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: Mala is quick. It's like an knowing how quick she is. 117 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: She can make a pun a joke and you like 118 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: you dropped the penny she picked, She picked it up 119 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: before it fell on the ground, like and like on Twitter, 120 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I ate it up into thousand thirteen. I was like, 121 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, that's when I started following her too, 122 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: when she was sucked on like yeah, I I tell 123 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: her this all the time, like her Twitter account. And 124 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: then because the friendship, the social media friendships started on Twitter, 125 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: moved to Instagram. And so I feel like when you 126 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: start on Twitter, you have you know somebody differently, right, No, 127 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: in like anthetical MIAs as much as you can know 128 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: someone online, right, And that was like one of the 129 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: reasons like I fell in love with her, and I 130 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well we have to do a podcast, 131 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: like when the podcast started surfacing in our spaces. Yeah, yeah, 132 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: it's very cool to just to see that there there 133 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: are these like pioneer Latinas I think more than any 134 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: like queer and Latinas who have like paved new realities 135 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: online for like a lot of different communities. But I 136 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: guess that's what I do to your question. What's wild 137 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to me is how we knowingly and unknowingly have sparked 138 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: different things in each other. So like, for example, um 139 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: sort of love fest that we all just had over 140 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: how funny I am. So that night that we met, 141 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: Brisco was like, you are you're a writer? You are 142 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: a writer? Yeah, in my hat. I'm like, I sunk 143 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: around and I just like sucking tweet and I waste 144 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: all my fucking time on Twitter, like you know what 145 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: I mean. Shortly thereafter, I started pitching places, and I 146 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: pitched to Marjua Estevez at VIVI and my one of 147 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: my first articles was about Yessica and it was one 148 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: of her first major pieces of press. And I went 149 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: to the poetry Lounge and I like heard heard her 150 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: perform and I interviewed her and just things be get 151 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: other things, and like it's wild. And speaking of be getting, 152 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: you're a divinity scholar. And I think that's another reason 153 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: we've connected is because we've talked about like Christianity with 154 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: us being recovering Catholics, um talk about that. Oh god, 155 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: it's yeah. So when I didn't know what Divinity school was, 156 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: to be honest, I wanted to go to grad school 157 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: and did so poorly in my g R e that 158 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: I like, I wanted to die like and I googled 159 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: schools that would allow you, like master's programs that would 160 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: allow you with our g R score, and Vanderbil Divinity 161 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: School sounded fancy as fuck. I was like Vanderbilt gossip 162 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: girl boom, Like, I know that's rich and like Divinity School. 163 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: I googled it. I was like some Jesus stuff. I 164 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: was like, I love the Bible. My dad as a pastor, like, 165 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: but like my thoughts were very elementary and getting to 166 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: this place because I am first gen because all that 167 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: is just like you're just guessing I feel and a 168 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: lot of these decisions. So yeah, I applied and was like, yeah, 169 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: I love too. I was an English major and undergrad 170 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: and mostly at least in my undergrad was very focused 171 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: on like Shakespeare and Milton and Spencer and all those 172 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: have like analogies to the Bible. And I grew up 173 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: as a pastor's daughter, so I was like, I'll just 174 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: do that in grad school and that felt normal. And 175 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: then I got there and I was like all you're 176 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: you guys are telling me all of this is a lie? 177 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: What which was unexpected like to be told, you know, 178 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: by Bible scholars to be like there's no evidence for 179 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: historical Jesus. And you've been like, but there's tours. People 180 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: pay a lot of money to go to Jerusalem. What 181 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: do you mean? And like there is it and there's 182 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: like hundreds of like Jesus that existed during that time, 183 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: and he could have been any one of those. But like, 184 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: when you start reading this and it completely shattered, I 185 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: really believed, like a lot of I was a fundamental Christian, 186 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: Like that's the category we're put in, Like, um, everything 187 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: in the Bible is the truth and there's no lies 188 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: to it. And what that meant was like when it 189 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: when I was being told like, hey, this Song of 190 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Solomon is based off of like an Iberian old poem 191 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know the exact details, but there 192 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: is there's stuff like that you're finding out, but it's 193 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: not even it's just like this collection of things and 194 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: we don't have the original manuscripts of much and we're 195 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: just like guessing and we've like based a whole system 196 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: of theology and oppression around it, and we're just like 197 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: willing to like kill people for it. And when I 198 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: got to that place, through excruciating hours of reading that 199 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: I never understood grad school was going to require, I 200 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: like got to this place where I could first free 201 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: myself because I was very entrenched in purity culture in 202 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: like sexist ideas and internalized I internalized a lot of 203 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: awful ship and having the language to be like, oh, hey, 204 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: this doesn't have come rull over your life. You like, 205 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: this is like a lot more complicated than you ever thought, 206 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: and maybe your dad didn't have all the answers. It's it. 207 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,119 Speaker 1: It started to break down a lot for me. And 208 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: then I just like dove deep into it. And my 209 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: concentration was ethics specifically. So if you study theology or 210 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: divinity school, there's like branches. So theology is like the 211 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: interpretation of the Bible. UM. Biblical studies is like you're 212 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: looking specifically at at the Bible, the text and people 213 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: are like trying to figure out the oldest that they 214 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: can get to, and what does this one word mean 215 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: in the Coine and in the ancient Hebrew and in 216 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: the and then there's um ethics and ethics answers the 217 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: question of um theodyssey, So why do bad things happen 218 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: to good people? And that's when you started talk about 219 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: like racism and systemic problems around society. And there were 220 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: that were lady in a kerr chy like and that 221 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: was another level. Like I felt like I leveled up, 222 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: like I was an anime. I was Hunter Hunter, and 223 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: my nnchees got really big but I don't know if 224 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: you all watch, but yeah, not so much. But I reference. 225 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I understood context clues. Yes, yes, yes, and 226 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: we're here for that. And I love though that you 227 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: also in your work, UM emphasized this sort of nerdiness 228 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: to what you do and and in your interests, because 229 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: I think that, like sometimes the things we do that 230 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: we're super into, we don't like code them as nerdy, 231 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: but they are. They totally are. Like we literally podcast 232 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: all the time. It's like our that's like our whole thing. 233 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: It's like our thing. You had audio the hardest, awful 234 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: things too, super nerdy. UM. So I wanted to ask 235 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: too about something that we've in our own way in 236 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: a less sophisticated way, because you've studied this at the 237 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: some of the highest levels. Might I add, like sand's 238 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: being like in Vatican City maybe you were there. I 239 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: don't know, but Um, Christianity and Christian supremacy and it's 240 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: ties to white supremacy. This is something that I think 241 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: we like to we tend to talk about within like 242 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,359 Speaker 1: a Latin X context, like we tie this to colonization 243 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: and some of the reasons why we like have these 244 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: internalized things that you described right, internalized anti blackness and 245 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: internalized quara phobia and colorism and all these things. Um, 246 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: but we would love to hear or you're like, you 247 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: know you're elevated, Yes, exactly in your words, with your expertise. 248 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think because so much of my 249 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: I feel like, like, yeah, I got married at twenty 250 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: three because I thought I was supposed to, Like I 251 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: could have lost my entire life. That's how it happened 252 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: to at least my mom, you know, like they were 253 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: just like I gotta get out of here as time. 254 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Like I, like I said, I bought into all these 255 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: ideals and when I figured it out and I understood 256 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: how insidious Christianity is and how embedded it is. Like 257 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: there's like the tank commandments and government buildings like and cops, academies. 258 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: There's like Bible verses in like judges, courtrooms, like anti 259 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: abortion stuffs all related to Christianity. Anti trans bills are 260 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: all related to Christianity. Like it's everywhere, and they fund, 261 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: they have so much money, and they just fund and 262 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: fund and fund, like the counterstrike, and we're just like 263 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: letting it happen, I think, because we're like but but 264 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: it made me feel good. And it's it's like bigger 265 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: than that. It isn't about your experience with God and 266 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: the divine like that you can have that, and that 267 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: was meant to be yours. But it wasn't supposed to 268 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: become oppressive. It was literally, like theologically made to be liberative, 269 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: like Jesus was here for like the people who were outcasts. 270 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how people don't make that connection, Like 271 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: they've become corporations, like some of these pastors have private jets, 272 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: like what the fuck do it? And their tax exam bitch, Yeah, 273 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean some of the biggest churches don't pay taxes, right, 274 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: he saw, like I don't know that that like famous 275 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: right quote famous pastor UM like of the Trump regime, 276 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: right that got like millions of dollars in pp P loans, 277 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, and so like yeah, it's it's evil. It's 278 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: it's like straight up evil, Like there's no way to 279 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: like say it, like it's straight up evil, and then 280 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: still asking UM their congregation to like donate money in 281 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: a pandemic number one April nineteen, it begins to donate 282 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: your stimulus money. Rule number three donated to evangelists, North 283 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: American evangelists who haven't had an offering in a month, 284 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: missionaries who haven't had an offering in a month. If 285 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: you don't have a church, give through my way. I'm right, 286 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: like they're it's so instidious as you said, yeah, yeah, 287 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: with hospitals, Like wasn't there a hurricane in Texas and 288 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: they needed shelter and like Joel law sets big as 289 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: massive ass church was just empty and wasn't. Yeah, it's 290 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: just like and I know those people, like we were 291 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: really Christian, like we came from white Christians who came 292 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: to Latin America, like Central America specific they're part of 293 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: like you know, like they're called the Jesus Freak movement. 294 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: Like it's a it's just it's gotten big and they 295 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: seek power. And this sounds so conspiracy theory is but 296 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: it's so true, y'all you just have to pay attention. 297 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, this doesn't sound conspiracy theorist at all. If 298 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: you ask me what you're getting out, this sounds like 299 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: completely normal. I don't know, history validates it. I wanted 300 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: to share to that, so um we I think we've 301 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: discussed this on the podcast. But the Roman Catholic Church. 302 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: I think that this is super horrendous and I feel 303 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: like it hasn't been talked about enough. When the pandemic happened, right, 304 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church got taxpayer backed COVID relief one point 305 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: four billion dollars in taxpayer backed coronavirus aid. This ap 306 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: news dot com article says many millions of that one 307 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: point for a billion going to dioceses that have paid 308 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: huge settlements or stop bankruptcy protection because of clergy sexual 309 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: abuse cover ups. So they got all this many and 310 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: then they used it for their abuse fees. Yeah, and 311 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: we just I think people get defensive and they hear 312 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: me specifically talk about because I do. I I like, 313 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm like, let's go, let's go toe 314 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: to toe baby, I'm ready because it is like something 315 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: that I'm really passionate about because it could have taken 316 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: my life away, Like I could have justen that generational 317 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: curse just repeated and repeated and repeated. You said a 318 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: mouthful their girl, Because yeah, I feel that, and I 319 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: feel like, uh, and I do this like I did 320 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: this on our last episode. I was like, you know, 321 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I can say this ship about Catholicism 322 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: because I studied, I was in a Catholic school K 323 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: through twelve. Like I've been in this and so I 324 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: feel like if there's anybody that can like say something 325 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: about Christianity and critique it, it's gonna be you. And 326 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna be folks that have lived their whole lives 327 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: in it and have left right and are now like 328 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: pushing back against it. Yeah, And I feel like one 329 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: of the things it's so insidious is like, at least 330 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: I feel that I have still not truly left because 331 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: I live with my family and they're still in it. 332 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: It's is a daily in the pandemic. And this is 333 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily a bad thing because I like 334 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: to keep abreast, you know, of situations, and so like 335 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: you know seven basically, Misa, that's just like running on TV. 336 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: It's part of my atmosphere, is part of my environment. 337 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: So I can be all like, oh, yeah, like I'm 338 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: a nonbeliever or whatever, but I've completed all of my 339 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: sacraments except for death, marriage, and holy orders, you know 340 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, And like you did in that order, 341 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: in that order, in that exact order. So really they're 342 00:23:50,200 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: girl death and marriage, I'll get married after I die. Now, 343 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: who's the actually saw big Mouth the one who um 344 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: the blonde? Do you guys watch big Mouth Blond with 345 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: j in the in the later I'll get married after 346 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: love would lean into that Lord and heaven, Lord in 347 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: Heaven you see there phony I love, I love the Lord. 348 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: It is it is people, and like my friends, like 349 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: we've all kind of been rejected from the church in 350 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: one way or another. Were like a group of all 351 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: pastors kids from the same denomination, and we like, I mean, 352 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: I get triggered by Christian music now, but that's just 353 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: me at the stage that I'm made in my healing journey. 354 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: But uh, they like lean into that worship music when 355 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: they're anxious, and like their spiritual practices are still like 356 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: within that even when the lyrics are toxic, because I 357 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: mean we do that with like sometimes our own toxic 358 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: as music that we find healing as fun. So I 359 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: don't know, I think there's room for that. Yeah, I mean, 360 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: that's just how imbedded it is in our culture, like 361 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: either in like literal Christian culture being in the US 362 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: or like being Latino X and like in some sect 363 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: of Christianity, right, and so it's so embedded in everything 364 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: that we do. Yeah, there's like so in ethics, there's 365 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: like you do either Christian ethics or regular ethics for 366 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: white people, for black people in the US, for black 367 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: people in Africa. Then there's like everybody gets separate except 368 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: Latin necks ethics because our ethics are so informed by 369 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: the culture that there we don't separate them in the field. 370 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: And that's like wild that like that doesn't happen in 371 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: other way fields to me, because like it is it 372 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: is like what we breathe, what we've normalized, what we've Yeah, 373 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: I think about who it's so like insidious because not 374 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: only is it etched into the culture, but it's like 375 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: etched into the literal folds of our brains. Like hear 376 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: me out, we're so young, and it's super repetitive, like 377 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: all the prayers and the songs, all the fucking music 378 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: that the hours of Baganda. Yeah, that ship is like embedded, 379 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: Like I at a drawer at the drop of a hat, 380 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: I could like sucking recite the fucking hymnals and ship, 381 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and prayers and it's will 382 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: never leave my mind. And that ship trips me out 383 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't want to be this well versed, 384 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: but I'm so well versed. That happened to me where 385 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: like my man like said something like he was like 386 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of like joking, like saying like a scripture verse 387 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: and I completed the sentence. I finished it, and I 388 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: was like it like took me back and I was like, 389 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: oh my god, what did I just do. Somebody said 390 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: a post that was like, um, what's a song? If 391 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: you what's a song that you could sing all the 392 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: lyrics too, and if you did so correctly, you'd win 393 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: like a million dollars. And like I was like, like, 394 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: I go to coos like no other. I don't even 395 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: know secular music that much. I call it secular music. 396 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: That's how much of a Christian I was. You know, 397 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: you're a church kid when you're just like inscription music 398 00:27:43,000 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: and then secular music. So yeah, I get it, um 399 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: um um um of it. And little ship. Hey, look, amores, 400 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: we have a quick announcement about our I Fund Women campaign. 401 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: As you may have heard, we're raising one hundred thousand 402 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: dollars to cover the startup costs of look at our 403 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: productions and pay our team. 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Of course, I lost so many followers, 413 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: people get did you really? And I don't have a loss, 414 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: so you could sell when they leave. People really love 415 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: their Jesus and like Satanism, Satanism is meant to provoke, 416 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: like it just is. It is, like it doesn't exist 417 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: without Christianity. Like literally they created their worst their worst enemy, 418 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: and then people like us are like, Okay, we're gonna 419 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: use it because you become the world's worst enemy. And 420 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: then it's just like a strategy. So I'm a part 421 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: of the Satanic Temple. So there's a few branches of Satanism. 422 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: A Satanic temple works kind of like a nonprofit, so um, 423 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: they'll go to like a courthouse that UM has a 424 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: tent commandments somewhere, and they'll say why is that there? 425 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: They'll petition and then they'll be like, oh, it's freedom 426 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: of religion, and so they'll propose to have a Satanic 427 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, sculpture also in the building because freedom of religion, 428 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: and that they'll pay for it, and just like you 429 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: mean it right, we don't live in a Christian supremacy society, 430 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: right what what where does freedom of religion stop? And Um, 431 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: they've lost a lot, which shows you like the power 432 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: of Christianity. But they're just like challenging these laws. So 433 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: our commandments, we have seven commandments and they're amazing. So 434 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it to you because I was like 435 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: prepared like you, anamos. This is a local radio historic moment. 436 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: This is the first time, but we will be hearing 437 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: the what did you call the Satanic principles, our commandments, commandments, 438 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: the Satanic commandments of the air of the Satan. Example, UM, 439 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: thank you're doing the Lord's work. To please continue. The 440 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: floor is yours. So the fundamental tenants if you want 441 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: to be a part of the Satanic temple, is one 442 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: you should strive to act with compassion empathy towards all 443 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: creatures in accordance to reason. Bam, right, the struggle for 444 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that prevail over 445 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: laws and institutions. But Bam, one's body is and is violable. 446 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: But I know what it means. Well, one's own body 447 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: is subject to one's own will. That's it. The freedom 448 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend 449 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another 450 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: is to forego. One's own beliefs should conform to one's 451 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care 452 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs, which 453 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: is like, you know, COVID stuff happening right now. I'm 454 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: just I'm just pausing because I think and I simultaneously 455 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: at a moment or we're like, are we Satanist? Like 456 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: we all? It is the vibe, there's even all of 457 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: these principles hold on having telling her Mommy said, oh 458 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: my god, look my satanic mug. I brought it. I 459 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: was like, let's go Baltazar. My friend, my friend, she's 460 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: a Satanist. And I never truly understood, but like now 461 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm understanding, it's it's fearmongering. It's like it's the scandal 462 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: because it's specific it has no other agenda than to 463 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: eradicate Christian supremacy. Wow, Okay, no, I agree, Like it's 464 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: definitely meant it. There's like a shock value to it, right, 465 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: like by saying like I'm a Satanist because of the 466 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: Christian supremacy. Right. But I mean I think, yeah, like 467 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: through throughout the whole pandemic, we've seen like what the 468 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: disbelief for the mistrust in science, or the politicizing of 469 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: mask wearing right has done to not only I mean, 470 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: well we felt it here in the US, but I 471 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: mean like globally right and h but I think we 472 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: definitely saw like the huge resistance to wear masks here 473 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: in the US. So wow, yeah, I think while that 474 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: I were definitely having the same feeling like wait a second, 475 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, yeah, it's and they're trying to 476 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: make so they've added uh, like a like a into 477 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: the belief system that it is a woman's right to 478 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: terminate a pregnancy, to specifically go against laws that are 479 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: being created where they say they can deny you to 480 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: give you an abortion or you won't get an abortion, whatever. 481 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: You can make the case now that it is against 482 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: your religious belief to not be allowed that. And so 483 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: they're fighting at case right now that they're trying to 484 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: get picked up by the Supreme Court. But it's just cool. 485 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: It's like that sounds like like you said in the beginning, 486 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: like strategic, like challenging, Like if it's really freedom of 487 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: religion and express question, we'll meet on no mass, this 488 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: is a part of my religion, damn And like give 489 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: your temper cent that you would given disms, but like 490 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: to a nonprofit that's right, actually doing the work of 491 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: dismantling this ship like on the ground for real. And 492 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: like a lot of the bigger people in the organization 493 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: don't reveal their identity. Like Christians are the scary y'all right, 494 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: the Christians are not trying to harm people, but Christians 495 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: are trying to harm people. Well, yeah, I mean we 496 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: we see it daily. Yeah wow, I mean we've seen 497 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: it for centuries. Really. Um okay, so you're like super 498 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: unapologetic in your practice in your life. Um online, So 499 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: do you feel like you're you as a Satanist? Like 500 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: it has to be. Do you feel like you're downplay 501 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: or you feel like no, I just like I I 502 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: walk in this is who I am, unapologetic about it. 503 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let people know or do you like keep 504 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: it to yourself? I keep it to myself. I mean 505 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: I made that statement because I was hot, and I 506 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna say it once, I'm gonna not 507 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: say it again. Like I stepped into it with that 508 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: kind of energy. Yeah, and uh, but I lost a 509 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: lot of followers. And also I think it is shocking, 510 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: but then I wanted to be shocking. But I'm also 511 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: publishing my first book, so I'm just like I want 512 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: to have those conversations if I'm going to have them 513 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: to the fulix extent that it can be had. I 514 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: don't want these snippets of like I'm a Satanist and 515 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: just leave that because it's too shocking. I think for 516 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: our communities because I feel like white people most of 517 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: the members are white and it makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah, 518 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: there's a few. So there's like quote unquote churches um 519 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: across the US, and I think o Passo has a 520 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: really good like Lettin ni Keys Force l A has 521 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: a really good one, but the majority are like flyover states, 522 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: and but there's one in Tennessee so that's exciting. But um, 523 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: it's really white because I feel like white people can 524 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: get away but anything, Yeah, I'm gonna face different repercussions 525 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: than they are. And like, yeah, they're in hiding, but 526 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: like they probably still't have families that will speak to 527 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: them or like anyone that will speak to them after 528 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: that comes out who isn't white. And so you're saying 529 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: you're like kind of quiet about it. So does that 530 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: mean like your family doesn't know. No, But I'm like 531 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: ready to tell because I'm I'm ready to have the conversation. 532 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: I just don't want to drop a bomb without it. 533 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean this makes sense, like considering your journey of 534 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: like being a pastor's kid going to Divinity school and 535 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: then being like, wait, all of this is fake. I 536 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: mean no, of course, Goda, yeah, Goda, Yeah, here look 537 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: at that. We're not telling you what to believe in. 538 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: We're just showing a different lens, right, a different viewpoint 539 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: if you will. Um, but no, I mean, like we said, 540 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: like Catholicism Christianity is like so embedded in the culture. 541 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure people are going to feel uncomfortable right 542 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: now that are listening, because you know, it's like so 543 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: embedded in our psyche, in our upbringing, in our day 544 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: to day lives, like this will probably make you feel uncomfortable, 545 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: and that's okay, And like I think it's exciting that 546 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: it makes people uncomfortable, Like I love it, Like if 547 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: I can, like, oh yeah, I have made Like I 548 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: was like, if I can make a career out of 549 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: making people feel uncomfortable, But like I think I have 550 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think in a yeah, you're not 551 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: harming anybody like that, you know, that's different, but yeah, 552 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: I mean I think that you've like pushed our community 553 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: to grow in real ways and like your transparency and 554 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: you like you know, spent lots of your life and 555 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: your work like doing doing this actual work. Yeah it's true. 556 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: And you've you've been writing for years and publishing for 557 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: years and like really, um, I think cultivating is space 558 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: for like Latinas were writing online and like I feel 559 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: like I saw particular women doing it, like Raquel. You 560 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's like a slew I'd have to like 561 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: go back and really like dig. But there's the women 562 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: the Latina's writing on the internet, I think, and you're 563 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: one of them. And now you're publishing a book, which 564 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: is so exciting, and I like, I want to know 565 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: more about about the book, about the process, how folks 566 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: can support Oh my god, writing a book is wild, y'all. 567 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: Are you all in the process right now? Book proposal 568 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: situation kind of Oh my god. Okay, So I don't 569 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: know how long it's taken, y'all, but it took me 570 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: two years to write my proposal. Like that ship is 571 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: no joke. It does not make sense. It's like a 572 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: business plan before a book and you have to somehow 573 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: be charming to like what and then you finished writing 574 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: that right two years and then they just like send 575 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: it off. And for me, it's like the turnound just happened, 576 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: like in the blink of an eye. I had taken 577 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: so long to write it, and I just didn't believe 578 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: anything was going to happen that I it was like, 579 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: I'm done writing for this ship, and I like got 580 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: a nonprofit job. It had like a long term plan 581 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: to like get out of the Internet because it like 582 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: y'all are visible online, Like it can get really toxic 583 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: and people can get really mean, and it can become 584 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: dangerous sometimes for us to exist in these spaces, and 585 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. Like I tried. It was 586 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: hard to get published by latin Ki's publications, like they 587 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: would just be like it felt like they thought I 588 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: was like a fad or something. It was very dismissive. 589 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: It was very I did this dance with every publication 590 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: I wrote for. I would they would reach out and 591 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: be like, we'd love for you to write for us. 592 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: I would get assigned the editors and um, I would 593 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: write something and mostly they would hate it. Immediate immediate 594 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: reaction was like this is trash. Nobody rights like this 595 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: because I do right, I write really not like I'm 596 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: not a reporter, y'all. I wouldn't even say I'm a blogger. 597 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm just a storyteller. Sure, and that's your own You 598 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 1: have your own way of getting across what you're trying 599 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, And they didn't get it. And I 600 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: don't think online was there. Weren't there weren't spaces for 601 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: us like that. They weren't cute spaces like that I 602 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: thought we could have By this time. Now it's listicals 603 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: and like listicals and they're like, we did it. We 604 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: got the millennial Latin ackis and uh, I just was 605 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: getting tired of that dance of like being like, then, 606 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't want to work with you. And then they'd 607 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: be like their boss would email me and be like, well, 608 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: it's sign you a new editor. And this happened everywhere, yeah, everywhere, 609 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: Like I felt like it my being difficult, Like I 610 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: just threatened to quit because you don't get it, like 611 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm okay with not doing this. I've always been okay 612 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: with not doing this. Uh. I was done. And then 613 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: and I got a phone call. I've been working like 614 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 1: three months at this nonprofit. It was a bit Brothers, 615 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: Big Sisters. Three months. I had a caseload. I was 616 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: busy as fuck. I was making no money. And I 617 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: got a phone call one day from my agent who's like, 618 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: Priest car, are you available this week? I'm like what. 619 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: And I hadn't told him I got a job, because 620 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: you don't tell your agents. You've lost your your will 621 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: to live, Like you don't tell it, you quit writing, 622 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: you just like whatever, I have nothing to lose and 623 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: you let it go. And he called me, he's like, 624 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: I sent your proposed about yesterday and today like three 625 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: of the five big publishing houses, um like subsidiaries of 626 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: theirs are interested in buying the book. We're gonna go 627 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: into a bidding war. Get ready for the interviews, and 628 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: you're just gonna meet editor and you're gonna pick whoever 629 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: you want, and we're gonna get the month money. And 630 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck it's happening. I was 631 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: in a meeting right now with the Brothers by Sisters 632 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: of Middle Tennessee. I just like started sobbing in my cubicle. 633 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk is happening? And I 634 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: just started having the meetings and I watched all of them. 635 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: They didn't prep me. They were like, just be yourself. 636 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that mean? Like, no, there's a 637 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: right answer, Just tell me the right answer. Don't sabotage me. 638 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: But I went in and I ended up getting the 639 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: one person I wanted. Most of the editors, because publishing 640 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: is white as fuck. Most of the editors were white, 641 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to have to go 642 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: through the hoops of writing, that hoops of like that 643 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: I did with editors that maybe weren't quote unquote white 644 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: American specifically, but a lot of Latin Kis Media is 645 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: run by white Latina Kis. They're the editors that these 646 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: publications that you all stand. So I just I didn't 647 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: want to deal with that. I didn't want to have 648 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: to explain to them why saying that being brown was 649 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: important and then be like, oh, metaphorically brown, what the 650 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: funk is metaphorically brown? Bro, No, you're not brown. So 651 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: I was like going through that, I was like, I'm 652 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: not gonna fucking get a white editor. And the one 653 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: person I loved was Japanese American editor from Seal Press. 654 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: Her name's Emmy Akanda and she's it's a subsidiary of Hashette, 655 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: which is one of the Big five. And I got like, A, really, 656 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't you're not supposed to talk about money, but like, 657 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: why not? I want to talk about money because nobody 658 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: talks about the fact that these white people get like 659 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: so much money. They get tons of money, and there's 660 00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: never to the visible eye, like hesitation were necessarily a 661 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: standard like for making big bucks for us, we hesitate 662 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: to monetize things. Were scared to monetize things, and we 663 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: feel guilty about monetizing things and making too much money 664 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: and asking for more, and people chronically undersell us. And 665 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure that like in every gig you've ever had, 666 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: which has been our experience, basically, um, we're being undersold 667 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: and being quoted honestly an offensively low rate. Yeah yeah, 668 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: And like I was like, okay, this is is this 669 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: is it right? This is why people and their white 670 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: money and okay, let's just start saying our number. So 671 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 1: so I got seventy five thousand dollars in my book, 672 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: which was the dream number, like I said with my 673 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: husband when we knew what was happening, and it went 674 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: to auction the book propoll um. So that means they 675 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: get into a little bitting war. And I was like, okay, 676 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: worst case scenario five thousand, would that be okay? To 677 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: write a whole book? Like I've never written a boat before, Like, um, 678 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: did you all write like a this like a thesis 679 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: and undergrad how many thousand words were in it? You 680 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: have to remember, right, Like I blocked all of that 681 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: out omber. I had a portfolio that I turned in 682 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: of like short stories and pieces and yeah not say so. 683 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: I wrote a master's thesis and my master's thesis. Um, 684 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 1: what they do is they make you write it during 685 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 1: a year. The first year you're just like being told 686 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,919 Speaker 1: how to write one and being told how to find 687 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: sources and whatever. The second half of that you're writing it. 688 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: And uh so it took me a year to write 689 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: almost twenty thousand words, and I was like, WHOA, I 690 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: did that? A book is like, and you have like 691 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: six months. I was like, so, what's gonna be my 692 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: bottom number? That I just cannot I will not do 693 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: this labor for y'all to the point that it feels dehumanizing. 694 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 1: And I think I think I decided I could be okay, 695 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: but I prefer fifty and seventy five would be my 696 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: dream number. This was before I found out that like 697 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: American Dirt author, a white woman, got like a million 698 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 1: dollars from one of the similar publishers want to publish 699 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: me and offered me like fifteen. I think so, but 700 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: so I was like, I didn't even know that I 701 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,359 Speaker 1: would be in this position. So I was elated and 702 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: I got it. I got my editor, and I wrote 703 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: it dur in COVID, which is amazing because all my 704 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: gigs got canceled. Y'all probably experienced that, Like that was 705 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,240 Speaker 1: income I was depending on. It was like almost twenty 706 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: k just in spraying that I lost immediately. I was like, 707 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: but I had my book advance and I was just like, bitch, 708 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: you gotta write this thing now. And it's done, and 709 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: I have read it so many times and I found 710 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: so many flaws. At some point you just have to 711 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: turn it in and I'm just like, is this it? 712 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 1: Is this the career? I picked this like massa kiss 713 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 1: as ship where you're never gonna get your ship right, 714 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: but you're just gonna be like, go world, tell me 715 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,240 Speaker 1: how terrible it is. And that's the stage I'm currently, 716 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: But go buy it. It's out for free. Where can 717 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: people buy your book? What's it called? And how could 718 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: folks pick up a copy? Um? You can buy it anywhere. 719 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, Target. I mean, there's like ethical ways 720 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: to buy books. Y'all know that there's links. Look for it. 721 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: It should be everywhere. But it's called for brown girls 722 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: with sharp edges and tender hearts. It's a love letter 723 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: to women of color. I love that. Thank you so 724 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: much for also sharing the bidding process, the money talk 725 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: like we're not we're not in that space yet. But 726 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to podcasting, like people gate keep the numbers, 727 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: and so it leaves like a lot of us like scrambling, 728 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,280 Speaker 1: like are we being low bald? Is this a good deal? 729 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,480 Speaker 1: Is this? Like? What is this right? And because nobody 730 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: shares so like, I really appreciate you sharing that. That's like, 731 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: I think helpful to everyone that's listening. That is like 732 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: thinking about going the publishing route um versus like self 733 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: publishing or what have you. So thanks for that, And yes, 734 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: definitely support order from ethical places, order from their local bookstart, 735 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: order from bookshop dot org. Hit that pre order because 736 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: it really does help the author, the writer's Yes, that 737 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: would be ideal if you all bought it, I hope 738 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: you like it, that would be even more ideal. Actually, 739 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: and like not only by the book. Read the book obviously, 740 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: I think that leave our review, share it on our 741 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: social media. I like cashta think about like how Gali 742 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: Fajado Anstein said that like Latina readers like pushed the 743 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 1: book because they were posting it and they were sharing 744 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: it with their online community. They were buying it for 745 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: their family members or Botty muther sisters all of that, 746 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: and so like literally do that, like that's the standard 747 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: for all of the Latina authors who want to support. Um, yeah, 748 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: read the book, by the book, share it, Latina's love 749 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: a book and nail post yes the cover. Yes, yeah, alright, 750 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,399 Speaker 1: Prisca man, we go way back. We could honestly talk 751 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours. We'll probably have to 752 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: do another interview maybe an I g Live, oh my 753 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: gosh something or other because um, I feel like there's more, 754 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: but we definitely need to talk again when the book 755 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: is out, you know, when you're doing that tour, Like, 756 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: we definitely need to talk again. Yes, good idea, that 757 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: would be great. Thank you all. It's by an amazing 758 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:51,800 Speaker 1: connecting again like you're fabulous like applause sound bite. So alright, y'all, 759 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed that interview. See you next time. 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