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Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this now for some time, as

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Speaker 1: I think you can fool people in the first week

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Speaker 1: or like, for instance, your legit Detroit Lions have an

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Speaker 1: all new staff. They look terrible in the first week.

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Speaker 1: The Jets defense first week defense look terrible. With Aaron Glenn,

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Speaker 1: you have new staffs, nobody plays starters in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: Week one now feels like an extension of the preseason.

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Speaker 1: In weeks two and three, you're just trying to kind

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Speaker 1: of figure your way out. But I think as you

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Speaker 1: get to week three, four and five, it's harder to

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Speaker 1: fool people. You become what you are. So Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: for instance, if you go to week one against the Jets,

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Speaker 1: it was unbelievable, but Hamlin had been there for a while,

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Speaker 1: a lot of their personnel had been there. Aaron and

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf were the new guys and the Jets had

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Speaker 1: an entirely new coaching staff and Aaron Rodgers in Week

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Speaker 1: one against the Jets was unbelievable. Four touchdowns, no picks.

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Speaker 1: He completed seventy three percent of his throws. His passer

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Speaker 1: rating was one thirty seven. Since then, now people have

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Speaker 1: film Rogers against Seattle in New England. Seattle's really good defense,

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Speaker 1: New England really good coaching staff. He struggled sixty percent

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Speaker 1: completion rate, passer rating in the low thirties, and PFF

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Speaker 1: has him as the second worst graded quarterback. And now

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks tend to like structure and habits. Now you're

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Speaker 1: sending the old guy overseas, and what do you know?

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Speaker 1: The Vikings with Brian Flores, top six defense, top three

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Speaker 1: in pressures, top three in takeaways, number four, number four

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Speaker 1: this is a prime example where I think Minnesota's got

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Speaker 1: the best overall roster compared to these two. I think

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Speaker 1: their coaching staff is better. I think they'll travel well.

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Speaker 1: I think Carson Wentz, you don't have a ton of

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Speaker 1: film if you're the Steelers. How many times have you

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Speaker 1: played him. There's a lot of stuff. I think the

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Speaker 1: Vikings right now are an underrated team. They gave Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams fits. Vikings are undefeated in international games. I think

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Speaker 1: the Steelers cannot figure out their offensive line in run

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Speaker 1: game for seven years. So I really like Minnesota in

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Speaker 1: this game. And that's how we've come to the conclusion

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Speaker 1: on that. Jed Fisher on the corner. First. Jmack with

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, this is the herdline news.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the Baltimore Ravens Kansas City Chiefs. Huge, huge,

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Speaker 3: enormous games Sunday afternoon. Ravens one and two. So are

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs. These teams have had their battles. Usually Casey

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Speaker 3: comes out on top. Lamar Jackson knows the team needs

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Speaker 3: to get it together and fast.

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Speaker 4: We just got to lock in on what's it here

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Speaker 4: right now? You know the game better than practice, watch film,

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Speaker 4: one of those guys, watch our salescouty ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Just get after it.

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Speaker 4: Come Sunday. Last three games, even with the win versus Cleveland,

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Speaker 4: we was we started off slow. You know, we just

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Speaker 4: got to play high. We played ball, you know, play football,

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Speaker 4: play for even football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean is it personnel? You know, we talked

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel hour ago said Roe Kwan Smith, a great player,

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Speaker 1: did not play a particularly well. They were missing two starters,

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Speaker 1: and I will argue that Detroit was a bad matchup

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Speaker 1: Ney Detroit's offensive lines road grading it was. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a bad matchup. I didn't think it would

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Speaker 3: Well, when were at the draft, they went and got

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Speaker 3: Malachi Starks, the kid out of Vanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm like, wait, why are you doing that?

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Speaker 3: And then we're like, oh, well the Ravens are smart,

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Speaker 5: Of bricked it. Now it is early it's only been

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Speaker 3: However, the stat you need to know colin thirteen percent

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Speaker 1: But it's a bit of an uphill climb. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: you do get to a point where I don't think

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Speaker 1: I think Baltimore is the kind of team that can

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Speaker 1: I don't think the AFC this year, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Houston was a rising team. They're not anymore. Jacksonville doesn't

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Speaker 1: they can win playoff games, but I don't think you

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Speaker 5: I'll offer an olive branch to Chiefs fans.

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Speaker 3: Their two losses are to undefeated Chargers and undefeated Eagles,

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Speaker 3: So maybe, hey, they're not a superstar top five team,

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Speaker 3: but they're probably not like the seventeenth best team in

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Speaker 1: Right Is that fair?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on Colin. Next story is the

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Speaker 3: Bears and Raiders this weekend. Remember at the draft, Ashton

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Speaker 3: So the Bears head to Vegas Sunday to take on

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Speaker 3: Ashton gent And here's Ben Johnson talking about the young

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Speaker 6: He's a phenomenal player. I thought the world of him.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's a hard guy to bring down, compact

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Speaker 6: He's got that mentality. He brought it with him from college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was Chicago, this is a scary game.

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Speaker 1: You play out of your mind against a very soft team.

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Speaker 1: Now you go on the road the Raiders. You know

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Speaker 1: you've got an excellent veteran coaching staff Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this about Ashton genty. There's a stat

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Speaker 1: his like one hundred forty four rushing yard or something.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I read into that staff.

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Speaker 3: He's getting buried in the backseiel fifty seven percent of

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Speaker 5: Now some of that has to.

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Speaker 3: Do with brock Bowers being dinged up. I'm just gonna again,

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Speaker 3: maybe this is just a gambler and me talking. So

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Speaker 3: last week we loved the Cowboys Bears over it didn't

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Speaker 3: hit Colin. I'm just curious, Ceedee Lamb gets hurt first quarter,

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Speaker 5: What if he doesn't get knocked out of that game.

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Speaker 3: I think Dallas moves up and down the field, and

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Speaker 3: maybe that's a closer game. Maybe the Bears don't win.

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Speaker 3: I think the Raiders are the site. I don't know

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Speaker 3: about you. Again, Ceedee Lamb. You saw that they have

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Speaker 3: a single point of failure. If Lamb's down, they got

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Speaker 3: nothing pickets A eight to one running games on existent

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Speaker 1: Is I I will say, I have I feel strongly

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Speaker 1: about four games this week, and so tonight's the night

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Speaker 1: I dig into all the numbers and really get into it.

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Speaker 1: I already know for I'm looking for a fifth, but

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. I think the Raiders are the side.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, we're talking about Chicago's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of young players on that offense. Loveland Burden it's Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: They're they're one of their tackles. There roma Dunze like

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Speaker 1: a new off, young head coach. Like these road games

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Speaker 1: in the NFL are a different ball. We saw what

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Speaker 1: happened in Detroit. They were overwhelmed. They just unraveled. Allegiant

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Speaker 1: is loud. You have a veteran coaching staff. Gino has

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Speaker 1: been around the league for a Gino, when there is

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. Final story, Colin is Seahawks Cardinals tonight.

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Speaker 3: I teased it early in the show. I got some

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Speaker 3: Kyler stuff for you. I'll give it to you after

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Speaker 3: this SoundBite. But Kyler Murray talked about the Cardinals offense

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Speaker 3: without James Connor. They got to get on the same page.

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Speaker 3: Just a big game for Arizona. Here's Kyler.

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Speaker 7: We got to be more consistent. We got to make

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Speaker 7: the plays when they're there. It's really simple, as simple

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Speaker 7: as that. You know, it's really not a complicated game.

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Speaker 7: You gotta make plays. I'm trying to build confidence each

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Speaker 7: and every day and continue to give my guys opportunities

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Speaker 7: when they're when they're there, I'm gonna continue to do that.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: Obviously Drew mixed the calls and then we got to

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Speaker 7: go out there and nexte cute. But when whenever, the

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Speaker 7: opportunity presents, so for the chances are there, I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, they had that San Francisco game,

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Speaker 1: they got a safety, they led, they had the ball

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Speaker 1: at midfield, they picked up a first down. You looked

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Speaker 1: up and the Niners were hitting a game winning field goalf.

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Speaker 1: That was one of those you'll look back on your

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Speaker 1: schedule and you'll be like, how did we lose that game?

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Speaker 1: Gained him, they out rushed him, Arizona gave that puppy ooy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Marvin Harrison with the drop so Kyler in

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Speaker 3: two games against Seattle last year, five carries for twenty

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Speaker 5: In two games Colin he.

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Speaker 3: Had two of his worst games of the season against them,

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Speaker 3: at a brutal pick six, Arizona one for five in

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Speaker 3: the red zone. I'm just gonna remind people, and you

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Speaker 3: know this, McDonald is a really sharp guy.

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Speaker 5: He is a great defensive coordinator, he's a hardball.

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Speaker 3: Guy who's with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, Jim Harbaugh at

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Speaker 3: Michigan and Drew Petzig. You know, Arizona Cardinal fans a

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Speaker 1: All right, Bunny J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 1: You know Jet Fish for a long time, he turned

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Speaker 1: Good to see it.

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Speaker 2: Jed.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it is you've been doing this a

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Speaker 1: You don't you eventually you won't have many at Washington.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think our team's thinking

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Speaker 8: We're playing really good football right now. We've played really

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Speaker 1: A lot of people haven't seen Demon Williams your quarterback play.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he's a leade in a lot of

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Speaker 2: He's got unbelievable skills.

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Speaker 8: He can throw the ball as well as anybody I've

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Speaker 1: So you're going to face Jeremiah Smith, who I said

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Speaker 1: I said, I felt both you and Oregon would do

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Speaker 1: You had to replace this is insane. Eleven offensive starters.

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Speaker 1: When we first met, I told you I grew up

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Speaker 1: You had said, like that place is crazy. Has it fulfilled?

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Speaker 8: You know when when when we first met, I think

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Speaker 1: Oh, it will be. You know, you were a college

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Speaker 1: two quick ones. One you've been under McVeigh, Belichick, Pete

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Speaker 1: and Harball. I said this. I got pushback. I said,

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Speaker 1: is hardball count Collagen? Pro? Is he the best football

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Speaker 1: coach ever? He's taking? He's taking five messes? They're good.

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Speaker 1: Instantly he leaves in there, No good again? What is

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Speaker 1: I ask everybody this that knows him, what is his secret? Sauce?

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Speaker 1: If I never met him? And I said, Jed, what's

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Speaker 1: this mystery? Coach? Jim Harbaugh? Like, what would you answer?

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Speaker 8: His genuine love for football rubs off on everybody in

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Speaker 8: the room. And I saw your take on that of it.

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Speaker 1: There say, this kid for Washington is the real deal.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it. Jedi, You've given us

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. You know I'm a huge fan. Yeah, thanks, Colin.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me all right. The Huskies Husky Stadium.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how lucky are we this weekend? I mean

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Speaker 1: you got two three of the biggest games of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy, Jay Matt, Can I interest you in

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Speaker 1: a money line Husky?

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Speaker 7: Bet?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: But I did I took the ten?

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Speaker 1: That's long? Ah God, Yeah, it's going to be a Listen,

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Speaker 1: Julian Sand's a kid. Ohio State sending a kid.

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Speaker 3: They haven't played like a real road game with this

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Speaker 3: young quarterback, so you're right it could be a hostile

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Speaker 3: environment between that game. I like Bama, you were on Georgia, obviously,

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Speaker 3: Penn State, Oregon. There's just a lot of action this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Probably can't go out drinking Friday? Can you a big guy?

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Speaker 1: You know what I've You know, I get home and

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Speaker 1: do homework. I do analytic break.

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Speaker 3: Now crunching that Illinois depth chart with all those injuries. Liner,

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Speaker 3: you know he's on my basketball team, was telling me, hey,

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Speaker 3: Illinois really banged up.

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Speaker 1: They are.

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh boy, Coward's gonna feast when USC.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you open with the Trojans Monday. If the if

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Speaker 3: US he puts one on Illinois.

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Speaker 1: You framed me as some sort of homer. Oh honesty,

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Speaker 1: broker day one to the very.

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Speaker 3: End, you know, I think, I see can you show

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Speaker 3: me what T shirt you're wearing under that?

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Speaker 5: It looks like the maroon from USC. Can I see

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Speaker 5: that as peaking out?

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Speaker 1: We got to go to break commercial Staticky, it's the.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich David and together We're

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Speaker 9: Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You could catch

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Speaker 9: us weekdays from five to seven pm Eastern two to

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Speaker 9: four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the

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Speaker 1: Why should you listen to Covino and Rich.

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Speaker 9: We talk about everything life, sports, relationships, what's going on

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Speaker 9: in the world. We have a lot of fun talking

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Speaker 9: about the stories behind the stories in the world of

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Speaker 9: sports and pop culture, stories that well, other shows don't

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Speaker 9: seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact

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Speaker 9: that we've been friends for the last twenty years and

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Speaker 9: still work together. I mean that says something, right. So

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Speaker 9: check us out. We like to get you involved too,

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Speaker 9: take your phone calls, chop it up. As they say,

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Speaker 9: i'd say, the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 9: maybe the most interactive show on planetar. Be sure to

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Speaker 9: check out Cavino and Rich live on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 9: and the iHeartRadio app from five to seven pm Eastern

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Speaker 9: the live show, just search Kovin on Rich wherever you

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Speaker 9: get your podcasts, and of course on social media.

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Speaker 1: That's Covino and Rich. Is how a team can be

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Speaker 1: so bad in the first half and then get thirteen

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Speaker 1: minutes and then come back in the second half and

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Speaker 1: they're a completely different team, dominating the excellent team that

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Speaker 1: had a three touchdown lead on them. You got thirteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: What can you do? You're not breaking down film and

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel earlier on the A. J. Brown emergence in

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Speaker 1: that game in the second half.

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Speaker 10: I've had coaches tell me that the most important player

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Speaker 10: on the Eagles offense is AJ Brown because the reality is,

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Speaker 10: if you want to really buck up and stop the run,

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Speaker 10: you can do that with bodies. What they do really

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Speaker 10: well and have for a number of years is throw

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Speaker 10: outside the numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of

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Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts as a thrower. Brown is a really tough

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Speaker 10: cover outside the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting listening to Jed Fish talk about Listen,

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Speaker 1: they're going to build this team through the trenches and

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Speaker 1: offense and defensive line and then have some explosive players

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Speaker 1: on the perimeter. But the other thing that Greg Hosel

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Speaker 1: talked about with Philadelphia is they throw up the sidelines

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Speaker 1: very well. So whereas Jalen Hurts may struggle to see

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Speaker 1: down the middle of the field at times, up the

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Speaker 1: sidelines not an issue and AJ Brown is virtually uncoverable.

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Speaker 1: The other thing he talked about, well, both j McK

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Speaker 1: and I feel like Bears. It's a tough spot against

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Speaker 1: the Raiders on the road. There's a lot of young Bears.

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Speaker 1: The coach, the quarterback, one of their tackles, Roma Dunn

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Speaker 1: tight Ends. They're young. Now they go on the road

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Speaker 1: for a team that's pretty desperate. Week four the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Here's what co Sell saw and has seen through three

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Speaker 1: weeks with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 10: Caleb Williams is getting a better understanding and figuring out

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Speaker 10: how to run this offense because think back to Detroit

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Speaker 10: with Jared Goff. Jared Goff under Ben Johnson was probably

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Speaker 10: the best between the numbers thrower at the intermediate level

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Speaker 10: in football because that's the way Ben Johnson structures many

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Speaker 10: of his route concepts. Williams is seeing it the right

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Speaker 10: way for those difficult window throws between the numbers. That's

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Speaker 10: the best way to look at his development in progress

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Speaker 10: under Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 1: So which way does the momentum go? You know, people say, Colin,

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Speaker 1: you talk a lot about the Bears. Jmax said before

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Speaker 1: last year he thought the Bears were the most interesting

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Speaker 1: team going into the season. Now by week six they

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Speaker 1: were a mess. I think they're a much better offensive team,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of that's Ben Jonson, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're seeing coaching and the separation of it with a

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Speaker 1: lot of these young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: C J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud, defensive coach, doesn't have quite the sensibility or touch.

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Speaker 1: He has regressed. I think Caleb Williams looks better today

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Speaker 1: than he did a month ago. So we'll see. All

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Speaker 1: I know is that by the end of this weekend

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Speaker 1: there will not be a ton of surprises. I put

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Speaker 1: out the Super Bowl bubble a couple of hours ago,

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Speaker 1: and I did not have Kansas City in it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of surprises. I think in

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Speaker 1: an offensive league, you've got to occasionally get cheap touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think the Chiefs are good enough on

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Speaker 1: the perimeter or in the backfield, and Travis Kelcey's probably

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Speaker 1: in his last year, So I think to win a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl you've got to have the kind of either

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Speaker 1: quarterback athletic ability. You've got to have cheap touchdowns. And

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Speaker 1: the teams I had in my Super Bowl bubble, including Seattle,

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Speaker 1: because I do think a jsns a number one receiver.

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Speaker 1: He's emerged as that, and I think Sam Darnell is

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Speaker 1: a highly athletic player. So I think that's the problem

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Speaker 1: with Kansas City and Baltimore. Both are flawed, But between

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers, those are really

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Speaker 1: explosive players you need. You can't win a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: on thirteen play drives. You gotta score quickly, either you're

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Speaker 1: behind or you get into a track meet. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's Kansas City's dubious concern is Kelsey's in his

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Speaker 1: last year. They don't have a number one