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Speaker 3: or are we bitches?
Speaker 4: I always want to say we're bitches, but of course
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Speaker 3: this season. We've got so much new scandal, hot gossip
Speaker 3: to talk about.
Speaker 4: We got a great guest on Today Techweek.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 4: But first of all, Katie, just real quick. I know
Speaker 4: in this episode doing our research, there's no eating in
Speaker 4: this episode, But what did you eat today? Can we
Speaker 4: please just talk about food for two seconds?
Speaker 3: We have to. I had a delicious mint chip smoothie.
Speaker 3: I had I know delicious. I had a sweet potato,
Speaker 3: I had turkey. Guys, you know we're off strike. Sommy's
Speaker 3: about to get back on camera. So Mom's keeping it
Speaker 3: real right and tight up in here.
Speaker 4: Lettuce and water and shit, Oh my god, I had leftovers.
Speaker 4: I had rice and beans and a bunch of steamed
Speaker 4: broccoli and salad with like a Caesar dressing. Oh it
Speaker 4: was so fucking good. But before that, before that, I
Speaker 4: had I juiced my celery and parsley and lime juice,
Speaker 4: and then for lunch, I had that.
Speaker 3: Wow. So you are raring to go, you, but I'm
Speaker 3: also starving.
Speaker 4: I'm also starving. Are you hungry?
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely starving. I'm absolutely starving. I'm drinking water and
Speaker 3: chewing gum. I am so stoked to see you, my friend.
Speaker 4: You too, Katie. I missed you.
Speaker 3: We have just been striking and on the picket line
Speaker 3: and we're in love as always.
Speaker 4: And pre usual.
Speaker 3: But to just get to dive back in and watch
Speaker 3: all these episodes and just have fun, remember what the
Speaker 3: hell was even going on? Yes, it's the absolute best.
Speaker 4: See our baby faces on the screen and be like,
Speaker 4: oh look, how ibies.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I Like, I was adorable. I mean
Speaker 3: I was annoying.
Speaker 4: I was annoying, but I was a durable. I was
Speaker 4: so skinny, we were so.
Speaker 3: Thin, we were we were so little, we were so staty,
Speaker 3: we were so cuties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and at the time you're like, uh, I look
Speaker 4: like shit. Yeah, looking back, it's like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we have to really look at that
Speaker 3: because I feel like I'm forty one and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: look at sixty five back hopefully if I'm lucky, and
Speaker 3: be like, what was my problem? Like my boobs were
Speaker 3: high way higher then than they here at sixty five,
Speaker 3: Like there is nothing to complain about.
Speaker 4: We're never going to look better than right now than
Speaker 4: this moment right now, So.
Speaker 3: Feast your eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Another hot new edition of the season two of Unpacking
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Speaker 3: There's like video going on, and you're gonna be like
Speaker 3: posting and social mediaizing so you can see our adorable
Speaker 3: faces and laugh with us as we are rewatching these episodes.
Speaker 4: And looking cute. So can we talk about today's guests?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like shondaland Royalty Royalty. Yes, this guy is
Speaker 3: real handsome on the eyes, he's real smart, and he's
Speaker 3: a real multi hyphenated artist.
Speaker 4: Oh he sure is right. He's an inspiration man.
Speaker 3: And the other thing about him is that his initials
Speaker 3: are literally tv TV.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. You know, when I knew this man,
Speaker 4: this director, this artist was a down dude. When he
Speaker 4: made me do a scene, a very intense, serious scene
Speaker 4: in h office with I think you were in the
Speaker 4: scene while I was using a shakewaight. It was like
Speaker 4: a three minute scene and I did the whole thing
Speaker 4: work in the shakewaight, and I thought, oh, I love
Speaker 4: this guy. I love him. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: Because I do? And he was he making you do.
Speaker 4: That for the real Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: I think it ended up on like a behind the
Speaker 3: scenes DVD track of like some season or something.
Speaker 4: But I just thought, how amazing that he's taking the
Speaker 4: time out while we're actually shooting the show we're in production,
Speaker 4: to be like Guermo. Now do the whole scene with
Speaker 4: the shakewaight.
Speaker 3: Well, because tv TV's Tom Verica, he's having fun and
Speaker 3: he just is such a master at having everything under control.
Speaker 3: I've never seen him lose his mind. I've never seen
Speaker 3: him super stressed out. I've never seen him like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, we're never going to make the day. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of directors. Especially on Scandal, we were shooting
Speaker 3: nine pages a day and it was practically impossible to
Speaker 3: get it all, and TV's Tom Verica just never made
Speaker 3: it feel that way. He was always calm, cool, collected, confident,
Speaker 3: ran the crew, got the cast.
Speaker 4: He was that director, Katie when we'd get a difficult
Speaker 4: script where we were like, yeah, the lead in the
Speaker 4: script and we had to do some emotional work or
Speaker 4: get naked or whatever, and then we'd see who the
Speaker 4: director was and we'd all be like, oh, thank god,
Speaker 4: it's Tom, thank god Tom's directing right. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 4: feel like we always felt safe with him, totally and confident.
Speaker 4: He trusted your instincts.
Speaker 3: He was just not only that, but the guy sky
Speaker 3: ratulated in shonaaland just real quick for y'all who don't
Speaker 3: know who that fuck we're talking about. He's a genius actor,
Speaker 3: like he literally played Viola Davis's husband and How to
Speaker 3: Get Away with Murder. He directed yeah, a billion episodes
Speaker 3: of Scandal. He was our producing director. Then he moved
Speaker 3: on to directing all the Queen Charlotte's producing directs Bridgerton.
Speaker 3: He directs a ton of Bridgertons. I mean, the guy ye.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he directed me in inventing Anna. The
Speaker 3: guy cannot stop. He is a tent.
Speaker 4: Pole and he's he's in an episode of Seinfeld, like
Speaker 4: a classic episode of Seinfeld. Need I say more? People,
Speaker 4: need I say more? No? Is he here?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not ready. We're not ready. We'reay, We're not worthy.
Speaker 3: We love this human being. This guy is coming to
Speaker 3: us from England.
Speaker 2: Are you in England? It's eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what are you shooting there? Tom? You're
Speaker 4: shooting Queen Charlotte right now?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it's we decided to move the family
Speaker 5: over here, so the kids are going to school here
Speaker 5: and we're kind of we're going to play in London
Speaker 5: for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean we're back and forth.
Speaker 3: But we're right here, right here, and I are available.
Speaker 3: I have a very good British accent. How is Yules?
Speaker 4: No doubt, it's just lovely.
Speaker 3: We're also turning the scandal Rewatch podcast into an audition auditions.
Speaker 4: We're going to audition all the time and we have guests.
Speaker 3: This is so thrilling. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so honored to be here.
Speaker 3: Tom. We've just been saying you are the tent pole
Speaker 3: of Shondaland, and I just we have so many little
Speaker 3: memories to talk about. But first the first little official
Speaker 3: order of business that we should get to, because this
Speaker 3: is the premiere You're welcome episode of season two. It's confusing,
Speaker 3: it's season two of Unpacking the Toolbox, but it's season
Speaker 3: three of Scandal, and we real quick are just going
Speaker 3: to get the logistics out of the way with the
Speaker 3: episode title and who directed it? By you and the
Speaker 3: guest stars, this is anopsis. Do you want to try
Speaker 3: your Scandal pacer? How's your acting? Chops?
Speaker 2: He?
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, it's late at night, but I'll give it
Speaker 5: a shot because I do have it here.
Speaker 3: Tom's already got it prepared. Once an actor, always an actor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have your little iPad on set? Tom
Speaker 4: always had his iPad with the whole script on there,
Speaker 4: just scrolling through.
Speaker 2: I still have my every script is on there.
Speaker 4: Yeah you were so Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, Tom Verica, you are a legend. We today are
Speaker 3: talking about episode three oh one, called It's Handled, which
Speaker 3: aired on October third, twenty thirteen. It was written by
Speaker 3: this duo is Insane, written by Shot Orry, was directed,
Speaker 3: directed by Tom People, who is a guest starring gear Madiaz.
Speaker 4: Stony Westmoreland is hol Rimbo. Samantha Sloyan is Janine Locke,
Speaker 4: Vanya Asher as Ethan, Kate Burton as Sally Langston. Aaron
Speaker 4: Chambers is Mara.
Speaker 3: Even hams Tanner Shaw, Jennifer Peyo is Vanessa Chandler. J
Speaker 3: Jackson is New News Anchor Number one, and of course
Speaker 3: Dan Bugutinski is James Novak. Come on, can you take
Speaker 3: us through this synopsis? TV's Tom Verica.
Speaker 5: Well this this air you said October thirteenth. This is
Speaker 5: ten years now, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Oh shit, yeah, it sure is. Oh my god, time flies.
Speaker 5: Well let me just a little bit after but yeah, wow, Okay,
Speaker 5: here's the synopsis.
Speaker 3: Okay with yes, but you can do it warm up
Speaker 3: if you need it.
Speaker 5: I got Katie Lowe's in the back of my head,
Speaker 5: and how fast he goes.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the bar. That's the bar that got this.
Speaker 3: I believe in you.
Speaker 5: With Olivia's name out there as the President's mistress, both
Speaker 5: the White House and Popit associates face their biggest scans
Speaker 5: of the date, and a surprise that Leeches.
Speaker 2: Is formed in order to get things handled.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Olivia's father will stop and nothing to carry out
Speaker 5: his orders and no one, including Olivia, can stand in
Speaker 5: his way.
Speaker 4: What how did you never do like a small role
Speaker 4: on Scandal? You didn't, right, Tom?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why no? I did not?
Speaker 4: How did we not?
Speaker 3: I know why? It's because early on used to I
Speaker 3: started playing that no name actress, Viola Davis murder and
Speaker 3: you couldn't.
Speaker 5: Probably, yeah, but that was after I mean that was
Speaker 5: Shanda's always you know, there would be something to come
Speaker 5: up and she'd say, I want you to play this part.
Speaker 5: Like on Gray's Anatomy, I played there's a part of
Speaker 5: there she want me to play on an episode I
Speaker 5: was supposed to direct, but then we pushed it later.
Speaker 5: I think we were Mellie's husband or ex husband. We
Speaker 5: were kind of floating out stone no way her ex
Speaker 5: husband came back and was that real jerk or something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 4: And like friend friend the head friend.
Speaker 2: The other way?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, and he fixed people or something you
Speaker 5: know that would.
Speaker 2: Have been great.
Speaker 3: Can you take us back? Like what do you think
Speaker 3: was in the special Sauce of the Trail? Tom Vericka
Speaker 3: first came to us, not on this episode I mean
Speaker 3: not at all. But he came to us an episode six,
Speaker 3: which was the first hardcore lashback episode in season one
Speaker 3: of Scandal. Why was that so magical? That changed your
Speaker 3: fate to forever be the man of Shondaland.
Speaker 2: That was It's at that point. It's so often. I mean,
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 5: All, whether actors or directors, we can all sort of
Speaker 5: chalk it up to timing and chemistry of when something happens.
Speaker 5: There's so many projects that sort of line up what
Speaker 5: they think is the a team and the winning combination
Speaker 5: with the script and the cast. Oftentimes you look at
Speaker 5: it on paper, You're like, this is brilliant, but it
Speaker 5: doesn't work.
Speaker 2: This was just something that came together.
Speaker 5: I remember when I was asked to do this, because
Speaker 5: I was doing other shows at the time that they
Speaker 5: were saying, this is a bottle episode, this is the
Speaker 5: same money this episode. Oh wow, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: how this is the trail They're kind of going to
Speaker 5: all these different towns and they're like, yeah, but it's
Speaker 5: got to be all done on.
Speaker 2: The lot at Sunset Galler. Sunset Gallery doesn't have a backlot.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is fascinating, Tom.
Speaker 5: It was pitched as a saving money episode. They thought
Speaker 5: it would be fairly contained and limited, and then once
Speaker 5: it got into it and.
Speaker 2: As Shanda sort of said, no, this is this and
Speaker 2: this is and I'm like, well, this is.
Speaker 4: That's going to cost the money.
Speaker 5: This is not your fottle episode. And then it really
Speaker 5: became a tremendous puzzle about how do we you know,
Speaker 5: we shot up in the Hollywood Hills, that little area
Speaker 5: where the diners that goes up to the Hollywood Sign,
Speaker 5: you know, we shot that as.
Speaker 3: Connecticut Beach with a diner, beach a diner.
Speaker 5: I think it was Yeah, we're just outside of there,
Speaker 5: but we shot all around you know there, and we're
Speaker 5: literally it was all within a mile of Sunset Gower. Wow,
Speaker 5: and we traveled around the country. I think it was
Speaker 5: because it was the origins of Fits.
Speaker 2: And Live that kind of really set it off.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where they really got to play
Speaker 5: how their chemistry started with what's been set up in
Speaker 5: one through five.
Speaker 2: So kind of.
Speaker 5: Going back stylistically, it was a really fun episode to
Speaker 5: do because you got to play in those flashing back
Speaker 5: and flashing forward and really playing with the timeline. So
Speaker 5: I think that element with the writing, with the falling
Speaker 5: in love, seeing how two people fell in love, and
Speaker 5: just a combo of of everyone. I mean, I just
Speaker 5: hit it off with all with all of you. It
Speaker 5: was the first time you and I had met, Kaye
Speaker 5: think on that show.
Speaker 3: Have you and Geirma worked together before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did an episode of The Mentalist. We did.
Speaker 4: No, it was Harry's It was Harry's Law with Kathy Bates.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was Harry's Law. Yes, I directed Harry's Law
Speaker 2: with Kathy Bates. That's exactly what I remember that.
Speaker 4: I remember working with Kathy Bates, sitting across from her
Speaker 4: and just being like, I can't believe that's Kathy Baits
Speaker 4: like Kathy.
Speaker 3: Bates, I would have I would be the starstruck. First
Speaker 3: question of all the shows, and Johann Len, you direct Scandals,
Speaker 3: obviously your favorite writing.
Speaker 2: It is No, it is I mean that show and
Speaker 2: the cast. I mean it was really it was acial.
Speaker 5: I mean the different episodes I got to make make
Speaker 5: what I call different films on so many different episodes
Speaker 5: of Scandal, whether it was Run which is like this
Speaker 5: completely contained episode, or the lawn Chair, which is very
Speaker 5: politically true.
Speaker 2: I mean, there were so many different types.
Speaker 3: Wait, you directed both of those episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were in the same season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very different films, very different one hour, you know,
Speaker 5: forty five minute films.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: That's really the kind of testament to our writers and
Speaker 5: you all as actors. Was really with season to season
Speaker 5: it kind of turned and went in different directions and
Speaker 5: we really got to do very different types of shows.
Speaker 4: So crazy.
Speaker 3: How did you become a director from acting?
Speaker 2: Very simple.
Speaker 5: I had a very slow acting year and I had
Speaker 5: to find something else to do.
Speaker 2: That's what kind of generated it.
Speaker 5: In reality, I've been talking about it for a while
Speaker 5: leading up to there, and I think I didn't work
Speaker 5: an entire calendar year, and I've been talking about doing
Speaker 5: it for a while in my wife, who you know, Kira,
Speaker 5: basically just said just fucking do it, jump in and
Speaker 5: do it. And I got in this course, took a
Speaker 5: course and made a couple of short films.
Speaker 2: And I just was hooked immediately.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: I took a night course in cinematography and then this,
Speaker 5: you know, worked with sixteen millimeter film and editing on
Speaker 5: Steambaks with actual film. So it really taught me to
Speaker 5: kind of love the craft and the technical aspect, But
Speaker 5: I think what had happened is it really as I
Speaker 5: began to direct in those first five years. I think
Speaker 5: it released what I think I always sense a kid,
Speaker 5: you know, the love of films and the imagery that
Speaker 5: I've had. Those things were already planted and I didn't
Speaker 5: even realize it, and I think it as an.
Speaker 2: Unfolded I'm like, Oh, this is it. This is what
Speaker 2: I love doing, This is what I feel I was
Speaker 2: meant to do.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, guys, Tom, do you like going
Speaker 3: into this episode? I just have to ask you, like,
Speaker 3: do you even remember what it was like directing Joe
Speaker 3: Morton in this monologue? This is his first Joe Morton
Speaker 3: had been around all last season, but he's just shady
Speaker 3: as shit and we don't know what the fuck he's doing,
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have a lot of lines, all this
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 3: kicks off this episode with the most insane monologue that
Speaker 3: ended up having such ringers that stuck, like I am
Speaker 3: the hell in high water? Or like what do I
Speaker 3: always say? We have to do twice as much good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be half as good as that.
Speaker 3: You have to be twice as good to get half
Speaker 3: as much. Yeah, and all of these big famous lines.
Speaker 3: Do you have any memory of that in the airplane hanger.
Speaker 5: I have a very clear memory, And I have to
Speaker 5: say I remember when we just always read the lines
Speaker 5: first before we start blocking or anything, just so we
Speaker 5: can kind of spit it out.
Speaker 2: And Joe Morton was word perfect.
Speaker 4: Of course he was.
Speaker 2: From that first spitting.
Speaker 5: You get goosebumps when he goes into those monologues, and
Speaker 5: and he was. He just delivered every single time. And
Speaker 5: we shot this this hangar in Burbank Airport. We all
Speaker 5: just kind of after rehearsal just kind of looked around
Speaker 5: with our Joel's drop saying, let's get the.
Speaker 2: Cavas, set them off.
Speaker 4: Shot it should have shot the rehearsal. Do you remember
Speaker 4: him getting down low, Like in the middle of the monologue,
Speaker 4: he gets real low.
Speaker 2: He goes first lady, Yes, yes.
Speaker 4: That's it. Oh, it's so powerful.
Speaker 2: We were all doing it.
Speaker 3: He's all making fun of her like that's as high
Speaker 3: as you could aim, Like, what is wrong?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're way down here. You could have been. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what I remember about.
Speaker 2: That day, and it just hit me what that episode.
Speaker 5: I had already got Aba de Verney to direct later
Speaker 5: in the season season three, she was shadowing me oh
Speaker 5: wow on that episode, and.
Speaker 2: That was her first day in the airport hangar watching
Speaker 2: Joe Moore Wow.
Speaker 4: First day as she was.
Speaker 2: Getting ready to direct Scandal.
Speaker 5: She was just kind of seeing the lay of the
Speaker 5: land of what it was, and she got to see that.
Speaker 4: She's got a future, that a name.
Speaker 3: She's amazing. I also loved in that monologue that when
Speaker 3: he says that you have to be twice as good
Speaker 3: to get half as much, and he's like, did you
Speaker 3: direct them to do this or they just did it?
Speaker 3: Or maybe it was in the stage direction. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but like Carrie's acting all like a little girl, like
Speaker 3: they're going back into their old relationship. Like he's like,
Speaker 3: what did I always say? What did I always say?
Speaker 3: And she's all of a sudden like yeah, she.
Speaker 2: Pulled her sleeves down over her hair and she looked
Speaker 2: like a little girl. It was so great.
Speaker 5: Now a lot of that was them, I mean, that
Speaker 5: was really their instincts. I oftentime with all you guys,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit of suggestion here, suggestion there to
Speaker 5: sort of you know, bring it to its fullest if
Speaker 5: I see something.
Speaker 2: But I think Carrie's a lot of her work was.
Speaker 5: I mean, as you guys know, acting is reacting, and
Speaker 5: she was just brilliant throughout that whole piece as he's
Speaker 5: kind of running that run that game on her.
Speaker 3: Whoa, I haven't heard the acting is reacting in a
Speaker 3: hot second, and that is a good reminder.
Speaker 4: That's because we haven't been doing either acting or reacting years.
Speaker 3: That's right, I forgot.
Speaker 4: But I also love in this episode that Olivia doesn't
Speaker 4: bow down to him and stay feeling and looking like
Speaker 4: a little girl for long. Because she gets on that plane.
Speaker 4: Rowan is trying to get her to another country because
Speaker 4: her name has been released as the person that's sleeping
Speaker 4: with Fits. But it doesn't last long and then she
Speaker 4: asked the stewardess for her phone. She makes a phone
Speaker 4: call to Cyrus and she gets off that plane. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, when I first watched the episode, I
Speaker 4: knew what was gonna happen, but I was still scared
Speaker 4: because I was like, your father's gonna kill you. But
Speaker 4: she stood her ground and walked off and got in
Speaker 4: that limo and left.
Speaker 2: And she blew right by him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, so good.
Speaker 5: And I remember, I remember technically we were trying to
Speaker 5: get because if that had.
Speaker 2: To be a moment, I wanted that door to pop
Speaker 2: open her.
Speaker 5: And of course the plane guy's like, no, this door
Speaker 5: has to open like this. I'm like, no, it's got
Speaker 5: a popping but she's got to come off that play.
Speaker 5: But we sold it with a tracking move to help
Speaker 5: her sort of just the.
Speaker 4: Way you shot it. It works.
Speaker 3: I also I'm okay. First of all, we always talk
Speaker 3: about eating scenes are our favorite because Gearmou and I
Speaker 3: love food. This is a very weird episode because no
Speaker 3: one eats in this episode, shock right, and no one dies.
Speaker 3: We have a scandal body count, So guys, hold on
Speaker 3: to your seats, gladiators. Listening to the season, everyone is
Speaker 3: still alive.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, instead that as unusual both not drinking and
Speaker 5: none dying.
Speaker 4: I mean no, there is, there's drinking. There's whiskey with
Speaker 4: who has Sally Langston and Fits are drinking in the office.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that scene too, where you know, he says,
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, do you want a scotch?
Speaker 5: I would ask a guy for a scotch but I
Speaker 5: don't know, I feel like I should.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll have a little scotch.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: This is also the first time that we see Sally
Speaker 4: Langston super vulnerable and kind of listening to Fits and
Speaker 4: wanting to help him and not be this you know,
Speaker 4: this fierce like bulldog, angry person, which I kind I
Speaker 4: really like like Fits one or over, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean with this sweet tears, such.
Speaker 5: A nice yeah, such a nice flavor and depth of
Speaker 5: that character, because then she really goes off the rails
Speaker 5: after this. But you're right, the moments in that office
Speaker 5: when it was just the two of them, the empathy
Speaker 5: that she has for him, even though he goes against
Speaker 5: everything that she believes in religiously and everything. But there
Speaker 5: was such nice subtlety that Kate just brought us a beautiful,
Speaker 5: beautiful layer to that character.
Speaker 3: Oh she's so good. And those two have been acting
Speaker 3: together since the beginning of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, since eighteen thirty. See, if they listening to.
Speaker 3: This, we need to have her on. Don't worry, guys,
Speaker 3: We're going to be bringing you Kate.
Speaker 2: Burton say that about Tony, not her.
Speaker 4: Talk about Hollywood Royalty, those two.
Speaker 3: Right, Ye Royalty he's a Goldwyn, she's a burden. He
Speaker 3: grew up like acting together at Williamstown Summer Theater Festival
Speaker 3: in like upstate New York or whatever. Okay, the other
Speaker 3: thing we have to talk about is we like this
Speaker 3: new thing we're doing called the Kerry Washington Acting School
Speaker 3: Moments of the Week, and so in the app Like,
Speaker 3: I think the winning performances of this episode, in particular
Speaker 3: are definitely pop Up Hope's first monologue, I am obsessed
Speaker 3: when Mellie calls her a whore in the bunker. Oh
Speaker 3: that scene, yeah, she's like And also the fashion of
Speaker 3: the week. The winner for the fashion of the episode
Speaker 3: is definitely Kerry Washington's coat in that bunker.
Speaker 4: White coat in the bunker with their little flaps. Yes,
Speaker 4: that was really insane.
Speaker 3: Had the bunker ever existed before?
Speaker 5: I think that was since that was the first episode
Speaker 5: of the season. I think we introduced it in me
Speaker 5: because I remember all the designs behind that about what
Speaker 5: it was going to be like, and I think it
Speaker 5: was the first time because again another doory issue. They
Speaker 5: couldn't get that card thing to open. The guy couldn't
Speaker 5: open the door for they've come like this is a
Speaker 5: top secret bump. She blows up, you know, the nuclear
Speaker 5: code to come in here, and they can't get that.
Speaker 5: So I think that that's why I think it was
Speaker 5: the first one. And then to do it with a
Speaker 5: you know, eight page scene. Whatever the hell.
Speaker 3: It was like a play.
Speaker 2: It was a play, and that's how we approached it.
Speaker 2: The the four of us talked about that it is
Speaker 2: like a play.
Speaker 5: We want this to be staged like a play. They
Speaker 5: kind of were in their separate corners. Yeah, so we
Speaker 5: really kind of treated it as a play and literally
Speaker 5: each of them what they go through performance wise, and
Speaker 5: you know, I remember we did a master and someone
Speaker 5: was watching their like what that's like, what the.
Speaker 2: Fuck is this? This is like you can play this,
Speaker 2: this is like this is like a play. It's such
Speaker 2: a long scene.
Speaker 5: They're like, you know, people are usually I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: out and get a banana.
Speaker 3: For right, what's your favorite craft service snack? Speaking of bananas,
Speaker 3: that's not mine, No.
Speaker 2: Not mine. I think it was the Twizzlers liquors.
Speaker 4: I remember you always asking for a turkey sandwich. You
Speaker 4: do like a turkey sandwich, right.
Speaker 2: A turkey A good lunch in the middle of thing.
Speaker 4: Turkey sandwich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good memory.
Speaker 3: That is so funny. Are you a caffeinating director. Are
Speaker 3: you like someone who's like constantly drinking coffee?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, I do like one one in the morning, but
Speaker 5: no throughout the day I don't because they come down
Speaker 5: the highs and lows, the ups and downs. I am
Speaker 5: a if I can take a twelve eight to twelve
Speaker 5: minute nap at some point during the day that recharges me,
Speaker 5: usually during lunch.
Speaker 2: I think it was Einstein who had it.
Speaker 5: He says the amount of time your body needs to
Speaker 5: rechargees you hold a spoon in your hand, sit in
Speaker 5: a chair, just doze off. When that spoon drops and
Speaker 5: wakes you up, then you will have all you needed
Speaker 5: for that power down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's you.
Speaker 4: That is so dope. I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: I have to try cut Katie sitting And my third
Speaker 3: acting moment of this Carrie Washington school of acting from
Speaker 3: this SEP is definitely gear MoU Diaz. What you don't
Speaker 3: think you deserve it in this episode?
Speaker 4: I don't ever. I feel like I was barely in
Speaker 4: this episode. I don't even remember what did I do.
Speaker 3: First of all, when you hold her do you push
Speaker 3: her up against the car in this episode, Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's the.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, Germo, you fail, you lose the Carrie Washington
Speaker 3: School of Acting.
Speaker 4: This week, one of my favorite acting moments was from
Speaker 4: Carrie again where she walks into O p A and
Speaker 4: she This is after Harrison and Opa have thrown Jine
Speaker 4: Locke under the bus and Olivia burst in and she's like,
Speaker 4: what did you do? You know, we probably cracked up
Speaker 4: every time when we shot.
Speaker 5: That's how many times, guys, do we have to have
Speaker 5: to get you guys to keep a straight face.
Speaker 4: Talk about that. How annoying, but how fun. At the
Speaker 4: same time, whenever we win.
Speaker 2: It was fun, but it was you know.
Speaker 5: Of course when we're behind and everyone everyone's like, we
Speaker 5: gotta go, it was annoying.
Speaker 4: I'm like, guys, can't stop laughing.
Speaker 3: When you were our producing director on Scandal, and it's
Speaker 3: your job and correct me if I'm wrong to kind
Speaker 3: of prep directors who are coming in, would you tell them,
Speaker 3: oh Pa, does not behave you have got it?
Speaker 2: You will? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I knew as she said you you are going to
Speaker 5: get phoned in, oh Pa.
Speaker 2: If everyone's there at the table, we won't stop talking
Speaker 2: getting the focus. It's gonna be tough. Just call action,
Speaker 2: Just keep calling action and somebody will hear it.
Speaker 4: And the Katie Katie, Katie did not stop talking until
Speaker 4: you hear that end, and that's what Katie will focus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I would do. I would take
Speaker 3: my gum. I would fold it into whatever notepad Quinn
Speaker 3: was holding or some shit, and then I'd be like,
Speaker 3: you can, I'm ready to act now.
Speaker 4: That notebook was full of gold. It was disgusting, you
Speaker 4: remember that. We'd open it up and be like, look
Speaker 4: at this cemetery.
Speaker 3: It was the mintiest notepad anyone's ever smelled.
Speaker 2: The multi colored.
Speaker 3: Yes, what would you warn them about? Or maybe you
Speaker 3: can't tell us? What would you warn them about? In
Speaker 3: the White House?
Speaker 5: Not warn them? I think it's just prepping them so
Speaker 5: they knew what to expect. Most of it was technical,
Speaker 5: and then of course I'd run down the actors. But
Speaker 5: this is one of those guests where everyone was there.
Speaker 5: You guys were all kind of on your game. I've
Speaker 5: worked on shows where you have someone who they've never
Speaker 5: looked at the lines when they step on set, and
Speaker 5: you have somebody else who's just overly prepared and they're over
Speaker 5: analyzing everything, and you just try to you really run
Speaker 5: the gamut as to what people So oftentimes it was
Speaker 5: more tonal things and technical things about the style of
Speaker 5: the show, how to move the camera, when to pull
Speaker 5: out the the plexi panels.
Speaker 2: It rarely was kind of beware.
Speaker 5: Of actors or worn actors, other than when you had
Speaker 5: the big group scenes because you're just gonna.
Speaker 3: Were the big group scenes in the White House. They
Speaker 3: were well behaved.
Speaker 2: No, they were, but they weren't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't as fun, you can say it.
Speaker 4: They weren't as fun as us.
Speaker 5: It wasn't as big as your group, and not as
Speaker 5: a close knit family. I think the nature of the
Speaker 5: kind of their relationship right right. They were professional in
Speaker 5: the rooms, it just wasn't the family that was opa.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yes, did you have any other acting wins from the
Speaker 3: Kerrie Washington School of Acting this week? In this episode?
Speaker 3: Did did I miss anybody?
Speaker 4: I was going to bring up really quick the actress
Speaker 4: Samantha Sloyan who plays Jenny Lott. Were you part of
Speaker 4: that casting Tom? I'm sure at the end you have
Speaker 4: to be like, these are my favorites, and.
Speaker 5: Yes, I actually we had cast her. She was earlier
Speaker 5: in the shoes in the seasons before. That's right, the
Speaker 5: very small part, and when we talked about having someone
Speaker 5: who's already in there to feel that continuity. I remember
Speaker 5: Sean the calling and saying, Okay, I want that girl.
Speaker 2: Can she handle this? Could she do Wow? I don't know,
Speaker 2: I said, but let's go.
Speaker 4: Did you have to re audition her or have a
Speaker 4: conversation with her.
Speaker 2: Or I had a conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I don't know if she knew it was
Speaker 5: an audition. I think we said just read through this
Speaker 5: and then talk her through kind of what was going
Speaker 5: to happen. And I remember really liking her, having faith
Speaker 5: in her because I thought she was super smart, and
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: She was wonderful.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was fantastic. I thought she was so good.
Speaker 4: She was like the lead in the next episode, like
Speaker 4: one of them. She's got a ton of stuff to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't think she quite what she signed on. I
Speaker 5: think she was like a staffer, a White House staffer,
Speaker 5: and then suddenly, oh no, she's the center of the story.
Speaker 4: I did a short film with Samantha Sloya in like
Speaker 4: a couple of years after Scandal, and I remember talking
Speaker 4: with her about you know, scandal in that moment and
Speaker 4: how she found out and all of a sudden she
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, like I have to do
Speaker 4: all this stuff. But she was, She's prepared. She's a
Speaker 4: wonderful actress.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4: Every one lucked out there could have gone really badly.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta get luck. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. Giermo
Speaker 3: Diaz always talks about how scandals related to a horror
Speaker 3: film at every single episode.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Katie, Yes, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: How is this episode? Or did Tom Verica work on
Speaker 3: a horror film that you've seen?
Speaker 4: Katie? What can I just say that? Tom Verica is
Speaker 4: in one of my favorite horror trilogies, one of my
Speaker 4: favorite horror movies. It is the prequel to Silence of
Speaker 4: the Lambs What It was directed by Brett Radner and
Speaker 4: written by Ted Tally And it's a movie called Red Dragon.
Speaker 4: Oh and Tom is in this small part freaking movie. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's a small part of the very significant, very memorable.
Speaker 4: He plays a dad of this family and the family
Speaker 4: gets murdered by this serial killer and all of Tom's
Speaker 4: scenes are seen through a VHS footage. They're like family movies.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: I think the first time I saw it was after
Speaker 4: we had done Scandal, and I watched it and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, that's Tom Berrick. I couldn't
Speaker 4: believe it.
Speaker 5: I think he said I heard your voice because because
Speaker 5: I remember, I get this part is.
Speaker 2: A small thing. I'm like, I just want to it's
Speaker 2: a big old.
Speaker 3: Howkin you know, big budget horor big movie.
Speaker 5: When they get it, it's like, Okay, you're gonna be
Speaker 5: You're the dad. So you're going around like yeah, but
Speaker 5: I'm filming everybody else.
Speaker 2: I'm not on camera here, so you hear my voice.
Speaker 3: So in the movie you're the dad shooting the family,
Speaker 3: but you're not on it that much.
Speaker 4: You still see me.
Speaker 5: Then you see me dead in bed, you know, because
Speaker 5: I had to go in and get fitted for the
Speaker 5: mirrors that were jammed in my eyes when I was killed,
Speaker 5: so that he could see himself. Yes, what, But I
Speaker 5: remember in the scene we're laying in the bed and
Speaker 5: they're poor and blooders like is this too much? And
Speaker 5: Ray Fines is there and he's getting in character and
Speaker 5: they're talking about Norton was you know, they're talking about
Speaker 5: what yes, how they're talking over the bodies and everything,
Speaker 5: and I'm just laying there and I'm laying there and
Speaker 5: they're just like, no, you know, put the mirror and
Speaker 5: I can't see shit because I got mirrors jammed into
Speaker 5: my buddle of it.
Speaker 2: I do remember my mother saying just I never want
Speaker 2: to see that again. I can't get that, you know.
Speaker 4: But Tom, I feel like there's a moment too in
Speaker 4: the filming where you have a like an intimate moment
Speaker 4: with your wife where you hug and kids there where
Speaker 4: I think one of your kids maybe takes the camera.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right at the end of it, they turned
Speaker 5: it on us and you kind of see this happy couple.
Speaker 2: Oh. I know, Tom, that you feel for the family
Speaker 2: that played your wife, Marguerite Moreau. I think we both
Speaker 2: laid dead in bed for many hours.
Speaker 4: Well, listen, you are part of horror film history.
Speaker 3: Tom. Did you have any actor moments from this episode
Speaker 3: or fashion moments? Are horror moments from this app.
Speaker 2: Well, it's always fashion.
Speaker 5: I mean it was you know, Carrie and I would
Speaker 5: always have this battle because she'd she'd be putting her
Speaker 5: purse always up like in front of things, in front
Speaker 5: of the camera. I'm like, okay, I know what you're doing,
Speaker 5: but I can't see the freaking with that bag.
Speaker 4: You got to move that burken bag? Please can you
Speaker 4: put it?
Speaker 2: She goes, well, I can't put it on the floor.
Speaker 5: I says, I know, you can't put it on the floor,
Speaker 5: but you got to put it someplace instead of directly
Speaker 5: in front.
Speaker 2: Of the legs.
Speaker 3: I would never put a Prada bag.
Speaker 4: On the right on the floor, That's true.
Speaker 3: And you're like, we can't have it be like the
Speaker 3: most opulent thing in the scene exactly.
Speaker 2: And I would always just mess with her.
Speaker 5: It was like, can we move the cheap bag over
Speaker 5: the and then Lynn Palo. I'd get a call from
Speaker 5: Lynn Pallow and she'd be like, Tom.
Speaker 2: You gotta stop.
Speaker 4: Where's the bag?
Speaker 2: But no, it was It was really extraordinary. I mean
Speaker 2: Lynn Pallow's work alone is extraordinary.
Speaker 4: We just had her on Oh did you yeah?
Speaker 2: Love Love, Love Love, and you.
Speaker 3: Get to work with her again and I'm bridgeton and
Speaker 3: Queen Charlotte, Yes, we're going to have you on again.
Speaker 3: But I while we have you, I want to know
Speaker 3: if you have any favorite Scandal memories off camera and
Speaker 3: what you think is your favorite Scandal episode you ever directed.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's the top.
Speaker 5: I have to say some of my favorites. Every day
Speaker 5: was really fantastic behind the scenes. But I do remember
Speaker 5: the very last the very last day of filming. It
Speaker 5: was like two in the morning. Everybody was there, even
Speaker 5: people who weren't filming came in. It was one of
Speaker 5: the only times I ever found it very difficult to
Speaker 5: call cut, and it was on Josh Molina appropriately, of course,
Speaker 5: but I just didn't want to call it because it
Speaker 5: just meant that it was done and Shonda was there.
Speaker 5: Everyone was there at like two in the morning, and
Speaker 5: I do remember trying to get the last day because
Speaker 5: everyone was talking talking, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I can't stop it, shirt this thing.
Speaker 5: That was my favorite moment because it felt full circle
Speaker 5: that the family, the journey that you all had come
Speaker 5: from the pilot to now was was really it's just
Speaker 5: a special time.
Speaker 2: And then d C, you know, when we all went
Speaker 2: to DC.
Speaker 4: That was great.
Speaker 5: I think that was just such a special time because
Speaker 5: we had been through VFX and pretending we've been to
Speaker 5: DC all this time, then here we are last season,
Speaker 5: we all get to go there and just you know,
Speaker 5: the Dinners and the time that we all spent together
Speaker 5: was just just.
Speaker 3: Like really shooting at the Lincoln Memorial and you're just
Speaker 3: like this is un believable, Like this is just so
Speaker 3: it was all magical.
Speaker 2: Favorite episode.
Speaker 5: I think the trail kind of that kind of set
Speaker 5: it all in the emotion. There was so much unknown
Speaker 5: and discovery and that's always fun when that pays off
Speaker 5: to that. And then I think Run.
Speaker 2: Because it was just such a psychological It was a
Speaker 2: very different kind of episode.
Speaker 5: I mean, even though it didn't involve everyone in there,
Speaker 5: but it was such a deep dive into her kind.
Speaker 3: Of Run is the one where where Olivia Pope is
Speaker 3: kidnapped and she has that crazy sequence where she's running
Speaker 3: to get out and the camera was like attached to
Speaker 3: her stomach right like at her face, oh pro or something.
Speaker 5: Doggie cam is the system it was. It was born
Speaker 5: of that, that's the name of it. But it was
Speaker 5: a rig that was rigged her hip and it's the
Speaker 5: first time we used.
Speaker 2: That and we put a camera on there.
Speaker 5: It's so good And I had to come up with
Speaker 5: all the tricks because Johnda wrote, you know, she's running
Speaker 5: down this long hallway and she can't get to the door.
Speaker 5: She can't get to this door. Now on stage, it's
Speaker 5: about thirty or forty feet.
Speaker 2: And I've got to make this look like it's a secret.
Speaker 5: I just had her go up and back and up
Speaker 5: and back a couple different times, a couple different night
Speaker 5: to make it feel how to extend that hallway to
Speaker 5: make it look much longer than the you know what
Speaker 5: we could pay to Bill so good, so good.
Speaker 3: When you were shooting the trail and they were doing
Speaker 3: their first sex scenes, which is like, that's really where
Speaker 3: we saw in episode six. Yeah, that's where they're on
Speaker 3: the campaign and they get into that hotel room and
Speaker 3: they go at it and he says, take off your
Speaker 3: clothes and then it gets like remixed into this like song. Right,
Speaker 3: did you remember directing it and being like, bly shit,
Speaker 3: this chemistry is or is it like when you direct
Speaker 3: sex scenes, which you did direct me and Gideon and
Speaker 3: it was not good.
Speaker 2: That episode.
Speaker 4: I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: But I remember and bless him, Brendan Hines. I love him,
Speaker 3: he's a friend, He's so great, And I think the
Speaker 3: memory has distorted itself in my mind. So maybe this
Speaker 3: isn't true, but I remember you coming in. This is
Speaker 3: the Grilled Cheese season one sex scene between Quinn and Gideon,
Speaker 3: and I remember you coming in and being like, it's
Speaker 3: looking like Katie is gonna like eat you alive. Katie's
Speaker 3: all over you and like gonna win, and like this
Speaker 3: needs to be more like even like and I was
Speaker 3: so embarrassed. I was like, oh my god, this guy
Speaker 3: is like so not into me, and and I could
Speaker 3: take him out, like I'm such an aggressor.
Speaker 2: You threw yourself into like fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember you were trying to be like,
Speaker 3: it looks like Katie's like you didn't say mauling you,
Speaker 3: but that's what it felt.
Speaker 4: I think he said mauling you. I want to believe
Speaker 4: that he said you're mauling him Katie.
Speaker 5: Well, of course, and this is before intimacy coordinator rates,
Speaker 5: but it was always very delicate, and I was always
Speaker 5: very respectful coming from acting about.
Speaker 2: What actors comfort levels are. So to me, it's what
Speaker 2: intimacy coordinators do.
Speaker 5: Now not all directors do, but I kind of just
Speaker 5: had that ground rules. What do you comfortable with? What
Speaker 5: do we want to portray here, what's happening in the story.
Speaker 5: What do you guys feel I did have that conversation
Speaker 5: with Kerry and Tony before doing that piece.
Speaker 2: That moment didn't feel like we wanted to.
Speaker 5: Be right up in there to see all the close
Speaker 5: up and I remember having a discussion with Oliver Backelberg
Speaker 5: ort DP about laying back and showing giving them their
Speaker 5: space and doing that and playing longer lens and just
Speaker 5: capturing moments of that. It wasn't really about the how
Speaker 5: much you could see, but it was what is it
Speaker 5: insinuating catching glimpses of that. So and then it was
Speaker 5: from out of sight we kind of reference there's that
Speaker 5: scene with Clooney and out of Sight that we liked
Speaker 5: that it was flashing flashing back and flashing forward.
Speaker 2: As they're walking down the hallway.
Speaker 5: And we tried, I think Matt Ramsey was the editor,
Speaker 5: tried that mechanism and it really just worked, and that's
Speaker 5: kind of became the template for that piece.
Speaker 3: Did you know though, like shondaland Grey's Anatomy known for
Speaker 3: just chemistry and love scenes and like amazing relationships between people,
Speaker 3: Scandal the same Bridgerton, My Good Lord and Queen Charlotte
Speaker 3: the same like, how do you know that you've I mean,
Speaker 3: now you've been to Shondaland for a lot of some
Speaker 3: pretty steamy chemistry that the show depends on. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm a viewer now and a fan, so
Speaker 3: it's what brings me back. I'm like, holy shit, are
Speaker 3: they going to get together? Then they finally do, and
Speaker 3: it's like the hottest, best shit. Ever, how do you
Speaker 3: know you've got it?
Speaker 2: There is a rit for all of us.
Speaker 5: It's until you kind of really see because you can
Speaker 5: talk about it. Came into it with the feeling of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is these two together. It's gonna be hot.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't always translate. You don't know.
Speaker 5: And it's again, if you dive into breakdown what's happening emotionally.
Speaker 5: I think if you could really honor what's happening between
Speaker 5: these two characters and we all do our homework and
Speaker 5: discussion about what this is, then the technical really supports
Speaker 5: what needs to happen emotionally. And you know, like in
Speaker 5: Queen Charlotte, you know, the two of them had never
Speaker 5: done a sex thing. It was one of the one
Speaker 5: of the most challenging because they were so uncomfortable, they
Speaker 5: were so frozen.
Speaker 3: They're so young and green and amazing.
Speaker 5: But they did amazing and then by the time we
Speaker 5: got in the later episodes, they were.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, you know, we could do this. Then the.
Speaker 5: First one took took all day, and I remember the
Speaker 5: ads like we got another senior to him like, we
Speaker 5: ain't doing those today.
Speaker 2: We got to focus on this and they got it.
Speaker 5: We got to earn their comfort, and they were because
Speaker 5: they're kids, you know, their kids.
Speaker 2: This is the first time it.
Speaker 5: Said, so we're going to take our time, we're going
Speaker 5: to do you know, We're want to go slow and
Speaker 5: give them their space to do it.
Speaker 2: So it really is different.
Speaker 5: You really have to sort of weigh all those things
Speaker 5: and really kind of establish that partnership between those two
Speaker 5: people to feel comfortable to attempt and portray.
Speaker 2: You know, what is needed in the scene. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't always work.
Speaker 5: I mean again, you put two major A stars together
Speaker 5: in a big, you know, romance film, and we can
Speaker 5: all point to it, and they fail because on paper
Speaker 5: it sounds like there's no chemistry there at all.
Speaker 4: When they put Katie and I together, hucking Quinn I
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of directors were like, you need
Speaker 4: to use less tongue, like don't be so crazy, like
Speaker 4: please stop spinning on each other.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, stop spitting on each other.
Speaker 2: My favorite is the conference room table with you.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, we've talked about that.
Speaker 5: You directed us, all three of us.
Speaker 3: Remember I am mortified Germo with his pants around his ankles,
Speaker 3: just waddling over to take Quinn from behind over the
Speaker 3: conference table. Yes, that was you, Tom.
Speaker 2: I could not stop. You know, every sex scene has its.
Speaker 5: Own thing, but oh my god, knowing you too, and
Speaker 5: then you two throwing yourselves into it.
Speaker 3: Oh god, our jobs are insane.
Speaker 2: And that's what you said. We were like, what the
Speaker 2: hell are we doing? This is?
Speaker 4: This is our job?
Speaker 3: This is And it's like nine am on like a Wednesday,
Speaker 3: and like Guermo is like bending me over a cofferce table,
Speaker 3: pulling his pants down. Then he's waddling with his pants
Speaker 3: around his ankles and he can't like get over there.
Speaker 3: And then Tom Erica is like calling action. I can't
Speaker 3: believe this is our jobs.
Speaker 4: We did it. Go watch the episode, guys, It's on Hulu.
Speaker 4: Go check it out.
Speaker 3: We're closing this out with.
Speaker 4: Tweets at a time, y'all, that's.
Speaker 3: Our tweets at the time, America. This is our time capsule, which.
Speaker 4: The tweets of the time.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to take our gladiators through a few
Speaker 3: of these, which is we had our very own at
Speaker 3: Sandy Marie Bailey, which is s Marie Bailey, and that
Speaker 3: is Shanda's sister. She wrote, adjusting the Scandal White House
Speaker 3: art collection hashtag Scandal set deck and she has all
Speaker 3: these photos of all the paintings she was putting up
Speaker 3: in the White House. We love you, Sandy is fantastic.
Speaker 4: Ivy Winter tweeted, what a great question to ask yourself
Speaker 4: the next time you're faced with our decision. Are we
Speaker 4: gladiators or are we bitches? Lol? Scandal that line was great.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't believe in this episode is Hell or
Speaker 3: high Water gladiators or bitches? Mellie calls her a whore
Speaker 3: like we had such ringers half as much, which was
Speaker 3: just huge for the episode and for the whole series.
Speaker 5: All right, I do like this one from dgg Z.
Speaker 5: From now on, I'm answering my phone, who are you?
Speaker 2: And how did you get this number?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good at just Catherine thirteen wrote, I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to speak for all of us, but I
Speaker 3: didn't miss Jake, not one bit.
Speaker 4: Noton Oh shit, sorry Scott.
Speaker 3: Well look, we all learned. If you were ever against Olivia,
Speaker 3: they hated you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how Yeah.
Speaker 3: And if you were trying to get between Fits and Olivia, look.
Speaker 2: Out, yes on the other show.
Speaker 5: I learned that because I was against Analie's and they
Speaker 5: hated me. Oh shit, that's right out in public, they're like,
Speaker 5: you scumbag, scared.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: They doing good nature. But yeah, don't go against them.
Speaker 4: Part of you is like, at least they're watching the show. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're watching.
Speaker 5: I'm actually I'm not that guy though, Yeah, I'm not real.
Speaker 3: Was working with Viola incredible, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was amazing partner. I'll never forget. One of
Speaker 2: my thirty years in acting.
Speaker 5: One of the best days of acting I ever had
Speaker 5: was we had the film on a Sunday because I
Speaker 5: was directing on Scandal and she and I.
Speaker 2: It was the fifth episode of the first season.
Speaker 5: It was kind of the a little bit of the
Speaker 5: origins episode of Sam and Annelie's.
Speaker 2: It was very Virginia Wolf. It was a knockdown, drag
Speaker 2: out fight that started.
Speaker 5: In our bedroom, went down the stairs to the living room,
Speaker 5: into the kitchen, and it was just an entire sunday
Speaker 5: that we just did that sequence and we fought the
Speaker 5: entire day, and she and I bonded.
Speaker 2: That was the day that she and I really kind
Speaker 2: of connected.
Speaker 4: Magic man.
Speaker 3: Wow, are you wearing a Scandal hoodie?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He is a scandal hoodie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a hoodie on that says Gladiator.
Speaker 2: And it holds up. I mean, this is I quality.
Speaker 4: That's a good hoodie. I still have that one, and
Speaker 4: it's a great hoodie.
Speaker 2: It's one of the most comfortable hoodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the B six thirteen one is pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's like a sleeping bag one. You know. We got
Speaker 2: good swag.
Speaker 4: There, Yeah, we did, we did. I got the pliers
Speaker 4: that I pulled Quinn's teeth out with from Shonda.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yes, I have the toolkit that I still use, the toolbox.
Speaker 2: I brought it over here. Oh yeah, I used that
Speaker 2: for around the house here fixing stuff.
Speaker 3: See what a perfect person as unpacking the tool behind.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, those tools are still holding up really well.
Speaker 4: So well, who knew your Toolbox had so many things
Speaker 4: in it, Tom, and we got one pack.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, so much, Tom, Thank you guys
Speaker 4: for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed
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Speaker 3: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcha, Lauren Homan,
Speaker 3: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Speaker 3: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
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