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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheartradiots.

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Speaker 2: Katie, though.

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Speaker 3: We're back, Katie, Oh my gosh, is it Is it true?

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Speaker 4: It's true? For now, it's true. It feels real. I'm

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Speaker 4: a real boy, you're a real girl, and this is

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Speaker 4: a real scandal Rewatch podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is it people, It's happening. Hallelujah. The strike has ended.

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Speaker 3: We are back, bitches.

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Speaker 4: We're back with season two of Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and no better episode could we be talking

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Speaker 3: about than Rolling Out episode one of season three, which

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Speaker 3: the question that Harrison Wright asks is are we gladiators

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Speaker 3: or are we bitches?

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Speaker 4: I always want to say we're bitches, but of course

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Speaker 4: we're gladiators.

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Speaker 3: I love it well. I think both options are valid. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And for our gladiators or bitches that are listening, you

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Speaker 3: got to know that this is like the way new

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Speaker 3: and improved season coming at you right now. We even

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Speaker 3: got a fucking phone number that you can call. Oh

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Speaker 3: hell yeah, leave us comments, messages, leave us questions that

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Speaker 3: we will ask each.

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Speaker 4: Other live twenty four seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to just call us at three o'clock

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Speaker 3: in the morning to talk about scandal. Are your ideas,

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Speaker 3: your thoughts? Guests, you'd like to have us? Leave us

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Speaker 3: a message, Yeah, leave us a message.

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Speaker 4: Talk shit, tell us a story. Yes, I don't give

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Speaker 4: up what you said.

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Speaker 3: We don't care. We don't care. It's call us at

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Speaker 3: eight zero five two nine eight one four seven four

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Speaker 3: or send us an email at utt at Shondaland dot com.

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Speaker 3: We want to hear from you, guys. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: show exists and is so fun and gets to keep

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Speaker 3: happening because of all of you gladiators who have been

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Speaker 3: listening since episode one and GEARM and I love making them,

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Speaker 3: we love doing them. We've got amazing guest line up

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Speaker 3: this season. We've got so much new scandal, hot gossip

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Speaker 3: to talk about.

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Speaker 4: We got a great guest on Today Techweek.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 4: But first of all, Katie, just real quick. I know

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Speaker 4: in this episode doing our research, there's no eating in

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Speaker 4: this episode, But what did you eat today? Can we

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Speaker 4: please just talk about food for two seconds?

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Speaker 3: We have to. I had a delicious mint chip smoothie.

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Speaker 3: I had I know delicious. I had a sweet potato,

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Speaker 3: I had turkey. Guys, you know we're off strike. Sommy's

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Speaker 3: about to get back on camera. So Mom's keeping it

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Speaker 4: Lettuce and water and shit, Oh my god, I had leftovers.

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Speaker 4: I had rice and beans and a bunch of steamed

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Speaker 4: was so fucking good. But before that, before that, I

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Speaker 4: and then for lunch, I had that.

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Speaker 3: also starving.

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Speaker 4: I'm also starving. Are you hungry?

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely starving. I'm absolutely starving. I'm drinking water and

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Speaker 3: chewing gum. I am so stoked to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 4: You too, Katie. I missed you.

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Speaker 3: We have just been striking and on the picket line

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Speaker 3: and we're in love as always.

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Speaker 4: And pre usual.

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Speaker 3: But to just get to dive back in and watch

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Speaker 3: Another hot new edition of the season two of Unpacking

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Speaker 3: the Twolbox Use your eyes, Gladiators, is that we are taping.

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Speaker 4: And looking cute. So can we talk about today's guests?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like shondaland Royalty Royalty. Yes, this guy is

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Speaker 4: Oh he sure is right. He's an inspiration man.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. You know, when I knew this man,

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Speaker 3: Because I do? And he was he making you do.

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Speaker 3: Well, because tv TV's Tom Verica, he's having fun and

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Speaker 3: like he literally played Viola Davis's husband and How to

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Speaker 4: Pole and he's he's in an episode of Seinfeld, like

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Speaker 4: a classic episode of Seinfeld. Need I say more? People,

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not ready. We're not ready. We'reay, We're not worthy.

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Speaker 2: Are you in England? It's eleven o'clock at night.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what are you shooting there? Tom? You're

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, it's we decided to move the family

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean we're back and forth.

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Speaker 3: But we're right here, right here, and I are available.

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Speaker 3: I have a very good British accent. How is Yules?

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Speaker 4: No doubt, it's just lovely.

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Speaker 3: We're also turning the scandal Rewatch podcast into an audition auditions.

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Speaker 4: We're going to audition all the time and we have guests.

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Speaker 3: This is so thrilling. Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so honored to be here.

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Speaker 3: Tom. We've just been saying you are the tent pole

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Speaker 3: of Shondaland, and I just we have so many little

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Speaker 3: three of Scandal, and we real quick are just going

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Speaker 3: guest stars, this is anopsis. Do you want to try

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Speaker 3: Tom's already got it prepared. Once an actor, always an actor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you were so Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Tom Verica, you are a legend. We today are

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Speaker 3: talking about episode three oh one, called It's Handled, which

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Speaker 3: this duo is Insane, written by Shot Orry, was directed,

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Speaker 3: Dan Bugutinski is James Novak. Come on, can you take

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Speaker 3: Okay with yes, but you can do it warm up

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Speaker 5: I got Katie Lowe's in the back of my head,

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Speaker 5: and how fast he goes.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the bar. That's the bar that got this.

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Speaker 3: I believe in you.

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Speaker 5: With Olivia's name out there as the President's mistress, both

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Speaker 5: the White House and Popit associates face their biggest scans

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Olivia's father will stop and nothing to carry out

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Speaker 3: Bates, I would have I would be the starstruck. First

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Speaker 2: It is No, it is I mean that show and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very different films, very different one hour, you know,

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Speaker 3: How did you become a director from acting?

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Speaker 5: I took a night course in cinematography and then this,

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Speaker 3: always say? We have to do twice as much good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be half as good as that.

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Speaker 4: That's it. Oh, it's so powerful.

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Speaker 2: We were all doing it.

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Speaker 2: That day, and it just hit me what that episode.

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Speaker 2: That was her first day in the airport hangar watching

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Speaker 4: First day as she was.

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Speaker 3: She's amazing. I also loved in that monologue that when

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Speaker 5: I mean, as you guys know, acting is reacting, and

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Speaker 4: That's because we haven't been doing either acting or reacting years.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I forgot.

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Speaker 4: But I also love in this episode that Olivia doesn't

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Speaker 4: because I was like, your father's gonna kill you. But

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Speaker 5: And I remember, I remember technically we were trying to

443
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Speaker 5: get because if that had.

444
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: To be a moment, I wanted that door to pop

445
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: open her.

446
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 5: And of course the plane guy's like, no, this door

447
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 5: has to open like this. I'm like, no, it's got

448
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 5: a popping but she's got to come off that play.

449
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 5: But we sold it with a tracking move to help

450
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 5: her sort of just the.

451
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: Way you shot it. It works.

452
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 3: I also I'm okay. First of all, we always talk

453
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: about eating scenes are our favorite because Gearmou and I

454
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 3: love food. This is a very weird episode because no

455
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 3: one eats in this episode, shock right, and no one dies.

456
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: We have a scandal body count, So guys, hold on

457
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: to your seats, gladiators. Listening to the season, everyone is

458
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: still alive.

459
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 5: Yeah no, instead that as unusual both not drinking and

460
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Speaker 5: none dying.

461
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 4: I mean no, there is, there's drinking. There's whiskey with

462
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: who has Sally Langston and Fits are drinking in the office.

463
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 5: I love that scene too, where you know, he says,

465
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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, do you want a scotch?

466
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 5: I would ask a guy for a scotch but I

467
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 5: don't know, I feel like I should.

468
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll have a little scotch.

469
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

470
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: Right.

471
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: This is also the first time that we see Sally

472
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Speaker 4: Langston super vulnerable and kind of listening to Fits and

473
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 4: wanting to help him and not be this you know,

474
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: this fierce like bulldog, angry person, which I kind I

475
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 4: really like like Fits one or over, you know what

476
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean with this sweet tears, such.

477
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 5: A nice yeah, such a nice flavor and depth of

478
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 5: that character, because then she really goes off the rails

479
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: after this. But you're right, the moments in that office

480
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 5: when it was just the two of them, the empathy

481
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 5: that she has for him, even though he goes against

482
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 5: everything that she believes in religiously and everything. But there

483
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 5: was such nice subtlety that Kate just brought us a beautiful,

484
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 5: beautiful layer to that character.

485
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: Oh she's so good. And those two have been acting

486
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 3: together since the beginning of time.

487
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, since eighteen thirty. See, if they listening to.

488
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: This, we need to have her on. Don't worry, guys,

489
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: We're going to be bringing you Kate.

490
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: Burton say that about Tony, not her.

491
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 4: Talk about Hollywood Royalty, those two.

492
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 3: Right, Ye Royalty he's a Goldwyn, she's a burden. He

493
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: grew up like acting together at Williamstown Summer Theater Festival

494
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 3: in like upstate New York or whatever. Okay, the other

495
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: thing we have to talk about is we like this

496
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: new thing we're doing called the Kerry Washington Acting School

497
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: Moments of the Week, and so in the app Like,

498
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: I think the winning performances of this episode, in particular

499
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 3: are definitely pop Up Hope's first monologue, I am obsessed

500
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: when Mellie calls her a whore in the bunker. Oh

501
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: that scene, yeah, she's like And also the fashion of

502
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: the week. The winner for the fashion of the episode

503
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: is definitely Kerry Washington's coat in that bunker.

504
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: White coat in the bunker with their little flaps. Yes,

505
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 4: that was really insane.

506
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: Had the bunker ever existed before?

507
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Speaker 5: I think that was since that was the first episode

508
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 5: of the season. I think we introduced it in me

509
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 5: because I remember all the designs behind that about what

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 5: it was going to be like, and I think it

511
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 5: was the first time because again another doory issue. They

512
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 5: couldn't get that card thing to open. The guy couldn't

513
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: open the door for they've come like this is a

514
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 5: top secret bump. She blows up, you know, the nuclear

515
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 5: code to come in here, and they can't get that.

516
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: So I think that that's why I think it was

517
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 5: the first one. And then to do it with a

518
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 5: you know, eight page scene. Whatever the hell.

519
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: It was like a play.

520
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: It was a play, and that's how we approached it.

521
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: The the four of us talked about that it is

522
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: like a play.

523
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 5: We want this to be staged like a play. They

524
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 5: kind of were in their separate corners. Yeah, so we

525
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 5: really kind of treated it as a play and literally

526
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: each of them what they go through performance wise, and

527
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 5: you know, I remember we did a master and someone

528
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 5: was watching their like what that's like, what the.

529
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: Fuck is this? This is like you can play this,

530
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: this is like this is like a play. It's such

531
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Speaker 2: a long scene.

532
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Speaker 5: They're like, you know, people are usually I'm gonna go

533
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: out and get a banana.

534
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: For right, what's your favorite craft service snack? Speaking of bananas,

535
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: that's not mine, No.

536
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: Not mine. I think it was the Twizzlers liquors.

537
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 4: I remember you always asking for a turkey sandwich. You

538
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: do like a turkey sandwich, right.

539
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: A turkey A good lunch in the middle of thing.

540
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: Turkey sandwich.

541
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good memory.

542
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 3: That is so funny. Are you a caffeinating director. Are

543
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: you like someone who's like constantly drinking coffee?

544
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: No?

545
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 5: No, I do like one one in the morning, but

546
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 5: no throughout the day I don't because they come down

547
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 5: the highs and lows, the ups and downs. I am

548
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: a if I can take a twelve eight to twelve

549
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: minute nap at some point during the day that recharges me,

550
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 5: usually during lunch.

551
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: I think it was Einstein who had it.

552
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 5: He says the amount of time your body needs to

553
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 5: rechargees you hold a spoon in your hand, sit in

554
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 5: a chair, just doze off. When that spoon drops and

555
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: wakes you up, then you will have all you needed

556
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 5: for that power down.

557
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's you.

558
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: That is so dope. I've never heard that.

559
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: I have to try cut Katie sitting And my third

560
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: acting moment of this Carrie Washington school of acting from

561
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: this SEP is definitely gear MoU Diaz. What you don't

562
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: think you deserve it in this episode?

563
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 4: I don't ever. I feel like I was barely in

564
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: this episode. I don't even remember what did I do.

565
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: First of all, when you hold her do you push

566
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: her up against the car in this episode, Am I wrong?

567
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's the.

568
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: Okay, No, Germo, you fail, you lose the Carrie Washington

569
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: School of Acting.

570
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: This week, one of my favorite acting moments was from

571
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: Carrie again where she walks into O p A and

572
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: she This is after Harrison and Opa have thrown Jine

573
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: Locke under the bus and Olivia burst in and she's like,

574
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: what did you do? You know, we probably cracked up

575
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: every time when we shot.

576
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 5: That's how many times, guys, do we have to have

577
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: to get you guys to keep a straight face.

578
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: Talk about that. How annoying, but how fun. At the

579
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: same time, whenever we win.

580
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: It was fun, but it was you know.

581
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: Of course when we're behind and everyone everyone's like, we

582
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 5: gotta go, it was annoying.

583
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, guys, can't stop laughing.

584
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: When you were our producing director on Scandal, and it's

585
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: your job and correct me if I'm wrong to kind

586
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: of prep directors who are coming in, would you tell them,

587
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: oh Pa, does not behave you have got it?

588
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: You will? Yeah?

589
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: I knew as she said you you are going to

590
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: get phoned in, oh Pa.

591
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: If everyone's there at the table, we won't stop talking

592
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: getting the focus. It's gonna be tough. Just call action,

593
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: Just keep calling action and somebody will hear it.

594
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: And the Katie Katie, Katie did not stop talking until

595
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: you hear that end, and that's what Katie will focus.

596
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I would do. I would take

597
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: my gum. I would fold it into whatever notepad Quinn

598
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: was holding or some shit, and then I'd be like,

599
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: you can, I'm ready to act now.

600
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: That notebook was full of gold. It was disgusting, you

601
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: remember that. We'd open it up and be like, look

602
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: at this cemetery.

603
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: It was the mintiest notepad anyone's ever smelled.

604
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: The multi colored.

605
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: Yes, what would you warn them about? Or maybe you

606
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: can't tell us? What would you warn them about? In

607
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: the White House?

608
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 5: Not warn them? I think it's just prepping them so

609
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: they knew what to expect. Most of it was technical,

610
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: and then of course I'd run down the actors. But

611
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 5: this is one of those guests where everyone was there.

612
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 5: You guys were all kind of on your game. I've

613
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: worked on shows where you have someone who they've never

614
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: looked at the lines when they step on set, and

615
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 5: you have somebody else who's just overly prepared and they're over

616
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: analyzing everything, and you just try to you really run

617
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: the gamut as to what people So oftentimes it was

618
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: more tonal things and technical things about the style of

619
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: the show, how to move the camera, when to pull

620
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: out the the plexi panels.

621
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: It rarely was kind of beware.

622
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 5: Of actors or worn actors, other than when you had

623
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 5: the big group scenes because you're just gonna.

624
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: Were the big group scenes in the White House. They

625
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: were well behaved.

626
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: No, they were, but they weren't.

627
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't as fun, you can say it.

628
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: They weren't as fun as us.

629
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't as big as your group, and not as

630
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: a close knit family. I think the nature of the

631
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 5: kind of their relationship right right. They were professional in

632
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 5: the rooms, it just wasn't the family that was opa.

633
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: You know.

634
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: Yes, did you have any other acting wins from the

635
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: Kerrie Washington School of Acting this week? In this episode?

636
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: Did did I miss anybody?

637
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: I was going to bring up really quick the actress

638
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 4: Samantha Sloyan who plays Jenny Lott. Were you part of

639
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: that casting Tom? I'm sure at the end you have

640
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 4: to be like, these are my favorites, and.

641
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: Yes, I actually we had cast her. She was earlier

642
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 5: in the shoes in the seasons before. That's right, the

643
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 5: very small part, and when we talked about having someone

644
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 5: who's already in there to feel that continuity. I remember

645
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 5: Sean the calling and saying, Okay, I want that girl.

646
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 2: Can she handle this? Could she do Wow? I don't know,

647
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: I said, but let's go.

648
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: Did you have to re audition her or have a

649
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 4: conversation with her.

650
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Or I had a conversation. Yeah.

651
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: I think I don't know if she knew it was

652
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: an audition. I think we said just read through this

653
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: and then talk her through kind of what was going

654
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: to happen. And I remember really liking her, having faith

655
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: in her because I thought she was super smart, and

656
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: I think.

657
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: She was wonderful.

658
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: Great.

659
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was fantastic. I thought she was so good.

660
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: She was like the lead in the next episode, like

661
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: one of them. She's got a ton of stuff to do.

662
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

663
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 5: I don't think she quite what she signed on. I

664
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: think she was like a staffer, a White House staffer,

665
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 5: and then suddenly, oh no, she's the center of the story.

666
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Speaker 4: I did a short film with Samantha Sloya in like

667
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: a couple of years after Scandal, and I remember talking

668
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: with her about you know, scandal in that moment and

669
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: how she found out and all of a sudden she

670
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, like I have to do

671
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: all this stuff. But she was, She's prepared. She's a

672
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: wonderful actress.

673
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it really is.

674
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Speaker 4: Every one lucked out there could have gone really badly.

675
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes you gotta get luck. Yeah.

676
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. Giermo

677
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: Diaz always talks about how scandals related to a horror

678
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: film at every single episode.

679
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Katie, Yes, you're welcome.

680
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: How is this episode? Or did Tom Verica work on

681
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: a horror film that you've seen?

682
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: Katie? What can I just say that? Tom Verica is

683
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: in one of my favorite horror trilogies, one of my

684
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: favorite horror movies. It is the prequel to Silence of

685
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: the Lambs What It was directed by Brett Radner and

686
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: written by Ted Tally And it's a movie called Red Dragon.

687
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: Oh and Tom is in this small part freaking movie. Yes,

688
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: it's a small part of the very significant, very memorable.

689
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: He plays a dad of this family and the family

690
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: gets murdered by this serial killer and all of Tom's

691
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: scenes are seen through a VHS footage. They're like family movies.

692
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

693
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Speaker 4: I think the first time I saw it was after

694
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: we had done Scandal, and I watched it and I

695
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, that's Tom Berrick. I couldn't

696
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: believe it.

697
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: I think he said I heard your voice because because

698
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: I remember, I get this part is.

699
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: A small thing. I'm like, I just want to it's

700
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: a big old.

701
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: Howkin you know, big budget horor big movie.

702
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 5: When they get it, it's like, Okay, you're gonna be

703
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: You're the dad. So you're going around like yeah, but

704
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: I'm filming everybody else.

705
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm not on camera here, so you hear my voice.

706
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: So in the movie you're the dad shooting the family,

707
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: but you're not on it that much.

708
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: You still see me.

709
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: Then you see me dead in bed, you know, because

710
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 5: I had to go in and get fitted for the

711
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 5: mirrors that were jammed in my eyes when I was killed,

712
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 5: so that he could see himself. Yes, what, But I

713
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 5: remember in the scene we're laying in the bed and

714
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 5: they're poor and blooders like is this too much? And

715
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: Ray Fines is there and he's getting in character and

716
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 5: they're talking about Norton was you know, they're talking about

717
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 5: what yes, how they're talking over the bodies and everything,

718
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 5: and I'm just laying there and I'm laying there and

719
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: they're just like, no, you know, put the mirror and

720
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: I can't see shit because I got mirrors jammed into

721
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Speaker 5: my buddle of it.

722
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: I do remember my mother saying just I never want

723
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: to see that again. I can't get that, you know.

724
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: But Tom, I feel like there's a moment too in

725
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: the filming where you have a like an intimate moment

726
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: with your wife where you hug and kids there where

727
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: I think one of your kids maybe takes the camera.

728
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: That's exactly right at the end of it, they turned

729
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: it on us and you kind of see this happy couple.

730
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: Oh. I know, Tom, that you feel for the family

731
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: that played your wife, Marguerite Moreau. I think we both

732
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: laid dead in bed for many hours.

733
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Speaker 4: Well, listen, you are part of horror film history.

734
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 3: Tom. Did you have any actor moments from this episode

735
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: or fashion moments? Are horror moments from this app.

736
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's always fashion.

737
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: I mean it was you know, Carrie and I would

738
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: always have this battle because she'd she'd be putting her

739
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: purse always up like in front of things, in front

740
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 5: of the camera. I'm like, okay, I know what you're doing,

741
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: but I can't see the freaking with that bag.

742
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: You got to move that burken bag? Please can you

743
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: put it?

744
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: She goes, well, I can't put it on the floor.

745
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: I says, I know, you can't put it on the floor,

746
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: but you got to put it someplace instead of directly

747
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 5: in front.

748
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: Of the legs.

749
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: I would never put a Prada bag.

750
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: On the right on the floor, That's true.

751
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: And you're like, we can't have it be like the

752
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: most opulent thing in the scene exactly.

753
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: And I would always just mess with her.

754
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: It was like, can we move the cheap bag over

755
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 5: the and then Lynn Palo. I'd get a call from

756
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 5: Lynn Pallow and she'd be like, Tom.

757
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: You gotta stop.

758
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 4: Where's the bag?

759
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: But no, it was It was really extraordinary. I mean

760
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: Lynn Pallow's work alone is extraordinary.

761
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 4: We just had her on Oh did you yeah?

762
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: Love Love, Love Love, and you.

763
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: Get to work with her again and I'm bridgeton and

764
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: Queen Charlotte, Yes, we're going to have you on again.

765
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: But I while we have you, I want to know

766
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: if you have any favorite Scandal memories off camera and

767
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: what you think is your favorite Scandal episode you ever directed.

768
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's the top.

769
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: I have to say some of my favorites. Every day

770
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 5: was really fantastic behind the scenes. But I do remember

771
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 5: the very last the very last day of filming. It

772
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: was like two in the morning. Everybody was there, even

773
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: people who weren't filming came in. It was one of

774
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 5: the only times I ever found it very difficult to

775
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 5: call cut, and it was on Josh Molina appropriately, of course,

776
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: but I just didn't want to call it because it

777
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: just meant that it was done and Shonda was there.

778
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 5: Everyone was there at like two in the morning, and

779
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 5: I do remember trying to get the last day because

780
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: everyone was talking talking, I'm.

781
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: Like, I can't stop it, shirt this thing.

782
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: That was my favorite moment because it felt full circle

783
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: that the family, the journey that you all had come

784
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: from the pilot to now was was really it's just

785
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 5: a special time.

786
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: And then d C, you know, when we all went

787
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: to DC.

788
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: That was great.

789
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 5: I think that was just such a special time because

790
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 5: we had been through VFX and pretending we've been to

791
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: DC all this time, then here we are last season,

792
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 5: we all get to go there and just you know,

793
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 5: the Dinners and the time that we all spent together

794
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 5: was just just.

795
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: Like really shooting at the Lincoln Memorial and you're just

796
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: like this is un believable, Like this is just so

797
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: it was all magical.

798
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: Favorite episode.

799
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 5: I think the trail kind of that kind of set

800
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 5: it all in the emotion. There was so much unknown

801
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 5: and discovery and that's always fun when that pays off

802
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: to that. And then I think Run.

803
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Because it was just such a psychological It was a

804
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: very different kind of episode.

805
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 5: I mean, even though it didn't involve everyone in there,

806
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: but it was such a deep dive into her kind.

807
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: Of Run is the one where where Olivia Pope is

808
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: kidnapped and she has that crazy sequence where she's running

809
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: to get out and the camera was like attached to

810
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: her stomach right like at her face, oh pro or something.

811
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: Doggie cam is the system it was. It was born

812
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 5: of that, that's the name of it. But it was

813
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: a rig that was rigged her hip and it's the

814
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: first time we used.

815
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: That and we put a camera on there.

816
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 5: It's so good And I had to come up with

817
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 5: all the tricks because Johnda wrote, you know, she's running

818
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: down this long hallway and she can't get to the door.

819
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: She can't get to this door. Now on stage, it's

820
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: about thirty or forty feet.

821
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: And I've got to make this look like it's a secret.

822
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: I just had her go up and back and up

823
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: and back a couple different times, a couple different night

824
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 5: to make it feel how to extend that hallway to

825
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 5: make it look much longer than the you know what

826
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 5: we could pay to Bill so good, so good.

827
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: When you were shooting the trail and they were doing

828
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 3: their first sex scenes, which is like, that's really where

829
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: we saw in episode six. Yeah, that's where they're on

830
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: the campaign and they get into that hotel room and

831
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: they go at it and he says, take off your

832
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: clothes and then it gets like remixed into this like song. Right,

833
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: did you remember directing it and being like, bly shit,

834
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: this chemistry is or is it like when you direct

835
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: sex scenes, which you did direct me and Gideon and

836
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: it was not good.

837
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: That episode.

838
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: I thought it was good.

839
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: But I remember and bless him, Brendan Hines. I love him,

840
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: he's a friend, He's so great, And I think the

841
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: memory has distorted itself in my mind. So maybe this

842
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: isn't true, but I remember you coming in. This is

843
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 3: the Grilled Cheese season one sex scene between Quinn and Gideon,

844
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: and I remember you coming in and being like, it's

845
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 3: looking like Katie is gonna like eat you alive. Katie's

846
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: all over you and like gonna win, and like this

847
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: needs to be more like even like and I was

848
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: so embarrassed. I was like, oh my god, this guy

849
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: is like so not into me, and and I could

850
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: take him out, like I'm such an aggressor.

851
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: You threw yourself into like fuck.

852
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember you were trying to be like,

853
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: it looks like Katie's like you didn't say mauling you,

854
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: but that's what it felt.

855
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: I think he said mauling you. I want to believe

856
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 4: that he said you're mauling him Katie.

857
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 5: Well, of course, and this is before intimacy coordinator rates,

858
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: but it was always very delicate, and I was always

859
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: very respectful coming from acting about.

860
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: What actors comfort levels are. So to me, it's what

861
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: intimacy coordinators do.

862
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: Now not all directors do, but I kind of just

863
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 5: had that ground rules. What do you comfortable with? What

864
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 5: do we want to portray here, what's happening in the story.

865
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: What do you guys feel I did have that conversation

866
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 5: with Kerry and Tony before doing that piece.

867
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: That moment didn't feel like we wanted to.

868
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: Be right up in there to see all the close

869
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 5: up and I remember having a discussion with Oliver Backelberg

870
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 5: ort DP about laying back and showing giving them their

871
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: space and doing that and playing longer lens and just

872
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: capturing moments of that. It wasn't really about the how

873
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 5: much you could see, but it was what is it

874
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: insinuating catching glimpses of that. So and then it was

875
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: from out of sight we kind of reference there's that

876
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: scene with Clooney and out of Sight that we liked

877
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 5: that it was flashing flashing back and flashing forward.

878
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: As they're walking down the hallway.

879
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: And we tried, I think Matt Ramsey was the editor,

880
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 5: tried that mechanism and it really just worked, and that's

881
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 5: kind of became the template for that piece.

882
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: Did you know though, like shondaland Grey's Anatomy known for

883
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: just chemistry and love scenes and like amazing relationships between people,

884
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: Scandal the same Bridgerton, My Good Lord and Queen Charlotte

885
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: the same like, how do you know that you've I mean,

886
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: now you've been to Shondaland for a lot of some

887
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: pretty steamy chemistry that the show depends on. I mean, honestly,

888
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: it's like, I'm a viewer now and a fan, so

889
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: it's what brings me back. I'm like, holy shit, are

890
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: they going to get together? Then they finally do, and

891
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: it's like the hottest, best shit. Ever, how do you

892
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: know you've got it?

893
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: There is a rit for all of us.

894
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 5: It's until you kind of really see because you can

895
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 5: talk about it. Came into it with the feeling of like, oh, yeah,

896
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: this is these two together. It's gonna be hot.

897
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: But that doesn't always translate. You don't know.

898
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: And it's again, if you dive into breakdown what's happening emotionally.

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00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 5: I think if you could really honor what's happening between

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00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: these two characters and we all do our homework and

901
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: discussion about what this is, then the technical really supports

902
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 5: what needs to happen emotionally. And you know, like in

903
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 5: Queen Charlotte, you know, the two of them had never

904
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: done a sex thing. It was one of the one

905
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 5: of the most challenging because they were so uncomfortable, they

906
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: were so frozen.

907
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: They're so young and green and amazing.

908
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 5: But they did amazing and then by the time we

909
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: got in the later episodes, they were.

910
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: Like, okay, you know, we could do this. Then the.

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00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: First one took took all day, and I remember the

912
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 5: ads like we got another senior to him like, we

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Speaker 5: ain't doing those today.

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Speaker 2: We got to focus on this and they got it.

915
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 5: We got to earn their comfort, and they were because

916
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: they're kids, you know, their kids.

917
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: This is the first time it.

918
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 5: Said, so we're going to take our time, we're going

919
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 5: to do you know, We're want to go slow and

920
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 5: give them their space to do it.

921
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Speaker 2: So it really is different.

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Speaker 5: You really have to sort of weigh all those things

923
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Speaker 5: and really kind of establish that partnership between those two

924
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 5: people to feel comfortable to attempt and portray.

925
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: You know, what is needed in the scene. But it

926
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Speaker 2: doesn't always work.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, you put two major A stars together

928
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Speaker 5: in a big, you know, romance film, and we can

929
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 5: all point to it, and they fail because on paper

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00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: it sounds like there's no chemistry there at all.

931
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Speaker 4: When they put Katie and I together, hucking Quinn I

932
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of directors were like, you need

933
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: to use less tongue, like don't be so crazy, like

934
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: please stop spinning on each other.

935
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, stop spitting on each other.

936
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: My favorite is the conference room table with you.

937
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, we've talked about that.

938
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: You directed us, all three of us.

939
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: Remember I am mortified Germo with his pants around his ankles,

940
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: just waddling over to take Quinn from behind over the

941
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Speaker 3: conference table. Yes, that was you, Tom.

942
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: I could not stop. You know, every sex scene has its.

943
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 5: Own thing, but oh my god, knowing you too, and

944
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 5: then you two throwing yourselves into it.

945
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: Oh god, our jobs are insane.

946
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: And that's what you said. We were like, what the

947
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: hell are we doing? This is?

948
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 4: This is our job?

949
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: This is And it's like nine am on like a Wednesday,

950
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: and like Guermo is like bending me over a cofferce table,

951
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: pulling his pants down. Then he's waddling with his pants

952
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: around his ankles and he can't like get over there.

953
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 3: And then Tom Erica is like calling action. I can't

954
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: believe this is our jobs.

955
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: We did it. Go watch the episode, guys, It's on Hulu.

956
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: Go check it out.

957
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: We're closing this out with.

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00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 4: Tweets at a time, y'all, that's.

959
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: Our tweets at the time, America. This is our time capsule, which.

960
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: The tweets of the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to take our gladiators through a few

962
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 3: of these, which is we had our very own at

963
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: Sandy Marie Bailey, which is s Marie Bailey, and that

964
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Speaker 3: is Shanda's sister. She wrote, adjusting the Scandal White House

965
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: art collection hashtag Scandal set deck and she has all

966
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: these photos of all the paintings she was putting up

967
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: in the White House. We love you, Sandy is fantastic.

968
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: Ivy Winter tweeted, what a great question to ask yourself

969
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: the next time you're faced with our decision. Are we

970
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: gladiators or are we bitches? Lol? Scandal that line was great.

971
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't believe in this episode is Hell or

972
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: high Water gladiators or bitches? Mellie calls her a whore

973
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: like we had such ringers half as much, which was

974
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 3: just huge for the episode and for the whole series.

975
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Speaker 5: All right, I do like this one from dgg Z.

976
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: From now on, I'm answering my phone, who are you?

977
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: And how did you get this number?

978
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good at just Catherine thirteen wrote, I'm

979
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: not trying to speak for all of us, but I

980
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: didn't miss Jake, not one bit.

981
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: Noton Oh shit, sorry Scott.

982
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: Well look, we all learned. If you were ever against Olivia,

983
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: they hated you.

984
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how Yeah.

985
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: And if you were trying to get between Fits and Olivia, look.

986
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: Out, yes on the other show.

987
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 5: I learned that because I was against Analie's and they

988
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 5: hated me. Oh shit, that's right out in public, they're like,

989
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: you scumbag, scared.

990
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

991
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: They doing good nature. But yeah, don't go against them.

992
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: Part of you is like, at least they're watching the show. Yeah,

993
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: you're watching.

994
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 5: I'm actually I'm not that guy though, Yeah, I'm not real.

995
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 3: Was working with Viola incredible, amazing.

996
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was amazing partner. I'll never forget. One of

997
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: my thirty years in acting.

998
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 5: One of the best days of acting I ever had

999
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: was we had the film on a Sunday because I

1000
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 5: was directing on Scandal and she and I.

1001
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: It was the fifth episode of the first season.

1002
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: It was kind of the a little bit of the

1003
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 5: origins episode of Sam and Annelie's.

1004
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: It was very Virginia Wolf. It was a knockdown, drag

1005
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: out fight that started.

1006
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 5: In our bedroom, went down the stairs to the living room,

1007
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 5: into the kitchen, and it was just an entire sunday

1008
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 5: that we just did that sequence and we fought the

1009
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 5: entire day, and she and I bonded.

1010
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: That was the day that she and I really kind

1011
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: of connected.

1012
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: Magic man.

1013
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: Wow, are you wearing a Scandal hoodie?

1014
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1015
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: He is a scandal hoodie.

1016
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a hoodie on that says Gladiator.

1017
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: And it holds up. I mean, this is I quality.

1018
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: That's a good hoodie. I still have that one, and

1019
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: it's a great hoodie.

1020
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: It's one of the most comfortable hoodies.

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00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1022
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the B six thirteen one is pretty good.

1023
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: That's like a sleeping bag one. You know. We got

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00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: good swag.

1025
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: There, Yeah, we did, we did. I got the pliers

1026
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 4: that I pulled Quinn's teeth out with from Shonda.

1027
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1028
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I have the toolkit that I still use, the toolbox.

1029
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: I brought it over here. Oh yeah, I used that

1030
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: for around the house here fixing stuff.

1031
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: See what a perfect person as unpacking the tool behind.

1032
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, those tools are still holding up really well.

1033
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: So well, who knew your Toolbox had so many things

1034
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 4: in it, Tom, and we got one pack.

1035
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: There we go.

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00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, so much, Tom, Thank you guys

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00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed

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00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate, or

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00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: leave us a review.

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00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcha, Lauren Homan,

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00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

1042
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

1043
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00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 4: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,879
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