WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Married at First Sight 2002 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.800 Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, a podcast to begin with 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.400 Dancing with the Stars, wandered through castles, survived beaches, and 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.720 spend an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.880 Along the way, Will and I riffed on what I 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:28.440 thought was a hypothetical observation, maybe arranged marriage isn't the 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.240 worst idea, and apparently our producers were listening. So now 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.440 we're watching Married at First Sight season twenty, a show 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.600 where complete strangers meet at the altar, say I do, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.760 and only then begin the awkward process of discovering whether 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.280 they have anything whatsoever in common. We are Wilfordell, who 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.479 loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.480 and not the wedding, and Ryder Strong, who loves love 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.240 and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.840 being forced to defend it for an entire television season. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.800 Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and bleat strangers 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.040 all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.399 This is Pod meets twirled All or Nothing. I will, 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.040 Hi Rider, how's it going? It's good? But I'm I'm 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:14.360 I'm I missed the. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.959 Original intro to the to the show, which you've not 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.480 gotten a chance to get. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.759 Wait, so original intro to what show? 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.840 To Meredith first Sight, there used to be a song 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:23.399 It's all. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.279 In nothing, It's allid nothing. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.399 And it became a big on running joke in my 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.600 house because the first time we heard it, Sue thought 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:30.959 they were. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.600 Saying so many penguins. So we still to this day 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.200 walked around going so many a pang, that's a whole 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.920 different shoice's wait a minute, but nothing. That does not 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.360 sound anything like it, but it does the way it 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.280 trails of many peg. Okay, well that's what we should 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.560 have called this whole season. Then we should have called 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.120 this show so many penguins. That's like trap your smokeing 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.840 that's going up there, that's now part of our show. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.960 It is so I missing the original open open pod 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.720 swirled so many pegs? Man, how you feeling about Meredith 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.200 First Sight as we am digging it? I think the 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.960 only show I haven't been able to get into for 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.799 our entire journey so far is in this City this 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.639 I'm in hook line and Sinker once again with the 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.480 show I've seen it before. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:16.160 I think it's great. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.320 So this show to me in some ways, you know, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.960 it's it's it's less manipulative in terms of its presentation. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.600 It's much more sort of like I would say, like 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.359 documentary film style, Like it's sort of like more neutral. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.359 You feel like the producers and everybody are just sort 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.800 of a little more removed and letting people kind of 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.040 just be and letting awkward moments kind of stay awkward 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.920 and ambiguous, like I'm not always sure what exactly has happened. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.959 We'll get into it, but like the end of this 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.160 second episode, I was a little like, what exactly is happening? 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.240 And they don't quite answer it. They don't know push 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.160 you and I I think that's incredibly that. I like 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:56.880 that that. I think you've got a better film making, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.520 better storytelling. It is making me more awkward, Like my 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.960 heart is kind of racing, Like at times I'm like, oh, right, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.519 that's in the city. Yeah, I don't know, man, I yeah, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.160 in the city. I guess I was sort of more 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.760 prepared for it to be feel more fan manufactured, and 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.240 I felt like the people kind of knew what they 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.920 were getting into. In this case, the stakes are real. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.200 These people want to get married. Yeah, I legally do, 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.760 and legally do I. I'm staying with a friend in 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.880 Chicago right now. I'm on my road trip across I'm 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.280 staying with a friend who when I said what I 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.640 was coming in this room to record, she was like, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.320 oh my god. And apparently they had a friend who 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.520 was asked. He went through the process, got into onto 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.640 married at first sight and turned it down because he 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.360 got and I was like, wait, so he didn't get picked, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.280 and they were like, no, he got picked. He just 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.840 once he realized how real it was because he hadn't 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.520 watched the show I get so he was like he's 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.320 hold a blog. Yeah, because he was like, no, this 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.480 is like real marriage. I can't do that. He thought 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.400 it was going to be a sort of hokey and 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.720 I was like, no, it that's the thing. Yeah, it's 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:05.040 a little married. It's an arranged marriage. You are married. Yeah, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.800 this is you know. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.440 And and there's there's It's funny because there's times where 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.760 I remember hearing seasons past and I'm sure we're gonna 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.160 hear it a lot this season coming up to when 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.880 people start to hit different potholes or whatever, you hear, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.640 you keep hearing the same three words over and over again. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.320 Trust the process, Trust the process. Really yes to each other. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.480 Yeah or or or they're the experts, quote unquote, say 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.520 it to them like, there's a reason we put you together. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.599 There's a reason that you were chosen to do this. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.520 Trust the process, Trust the process. So I'm interested to 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.000 see how it's gonna work out this season because I've 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.360 already got my favorites and someone I'm like, you got 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.000 to be kidding me. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.880 Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, second episode we are back 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.919 with Marissa and Adam in that moment of yeah, you 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.520 were but totally wrong. It also wasn't as big of 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.039 a deal as they, of course made it out to me, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.080 which was when they showed them ending the last episode 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.920 with I Know Him, it was sort of like, oh, God, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.240 do these does this couple have a history? Is not 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.839 going to be good. Turns out they they did have 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.960 a history, but it's that they hit on each other, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:11.840 that he hit on her at a bar and got 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.800 her number, got her number, and then they never actually 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.880 went on a dator, but they both remembered each other 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.120 as which I did find interesting. It was like there 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.600 was still this immediate connection. They never played, they never 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.240 followed through with it. But anyway, so yeah, so they 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.960 hadn't talked for under a minute, and then we get 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.760 to their little vowel speeches moments, and she says she 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.560 talks about being raised by a strong mom and kindness 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.880 and showed up for each other, and Adam dreud To 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:45.159 Forbes says, vibe in to the mes. Vibe into this guy. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.400 He's such a douche. I'm almost starting to like him. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.159 Does that make sense, because it's because it kind of 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.880 purely himself, Like it's it's yeah, I know, he's entertaining 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:56.400 for sure. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.880 Affected it's like everything it feels like, you know, you know, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.320 he does it later forever, episode after episode, just ripping 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.600 the jet skis, and I. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.040 Know, I know, so weird in some ways a guy 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.880 like this, I'm always like I kind of wish I 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.359 had a little of that confidence, you know, like he 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.640 just goes through the world. He goes through the world 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.400 thinking he's figured it all out. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.479 Yeah, well he's doing it right with. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:23.760 Six five a gentleman on scholar six five, And that's like, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:30.479 you know, I mean, yeah, it's insufferable. But also, you know, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.640 and I always wonder about this, like how much delusion 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.479 is good. How much delusion is good? Because you know, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.680 I've gone through periods of my life crippled by self 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.679 doubt and anxiety, and then you look back on those times, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.479 you're like, what were you worried about? Dude? You shouldn't 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.920 have been that insecure or whatever. Right, So, in some way, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.200 I think you just go and find the vast majority of. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.240 Women, and I'm gonna I know nothing of women. I 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:54.479 know nothing of the dating world. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:07:00.360 However, I found with my single friends whoever the height. Wait, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.920 none of that stuff matters as nearly as much as 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.400 when you ask a woman what she wants. And one 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.320 of the things they keep talking around is confidence. Confidence 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:13.240 women want a guy walks into the room, and its attraction. Yeah, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.840 I just think it's attraction, Like I just think when 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.320 somebody is themselves right where they are confident, But I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.200 do think he takes it's a disperge you and it's 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.880 but it's those things. If you like those things, if 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:30.680 you like healthy, eating, jet skis and yeah, really long piano. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.880 Playing, really long piano soliloquies. That was my favorite Siva 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.480 show I've ever seen in my entire life. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.040 We'll get to it. Well, they they talk about the 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.840 fact that he had a tank on when he hit 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.920 on her, and he calls it this is he does 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.400 say that's cringey. He talks about himself being a little 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.640 cringey at that moment. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.040 Meaning a tank top, right, Yeah, that was he said, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.239 was a little bit bar and he was a little 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.320 bit It was almost like a crop tank top at 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:54.760 a bar. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.920 Yeah. Yeah, but that's his vibe. Man, He's like jumping 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.120 off the jet ski to go get it. Okay, So 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.040 are sooner a picture. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.040 It's twelve thirty in the afternoon, he's been he's been 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.160 jet skiing, and he stopped at some local bar to 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.120 grab something to eat and he met her. Because that's 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.200 different than wearing a tank top at eleven o'clock at 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.320 night at a dance club. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.640 Yeah. Where are they? Do we know where? 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.040 Yeah, they're in Seattle, Seattle. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.160 Yeah, no, don't. You're not wearing a tank top in 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.920 midnight and Seattle in Florida or something, I'd be like, yeah, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.760 that's what I'm time of year in Seattle where you 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.400 can do it at night. So yeah, it's probably during 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:28.600 the day. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.320 It's probably during Give him the benefit of the down, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.520 Give him the benefit of the Douche. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.640 Oh my god, that's my your favorite site? All right? 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.320 There is a traction here. They start talking and I 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.640 feel like she's clearly playing along, and she's like I 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.560 loved your gifts, like did you Yeah? But then she's like, uh, pickleball. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.640 I love pickleball. Now I do. Now I'm like, Okay, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.600 she's trying. She's trying. Yeah, And she even tries to 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.280 the extent where she downplays her own reading because he's 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.880 like your book. I was like, whoa, are you one 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.400 of those people who like reads all day? And she's 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.560 like I know, oh no. But then he says I 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.640 don't drink, and you can see her kind of like 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.000 take that moment of like, oh, that's like the one 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.800 moment where she's not going to play it off. Yeah funny, Yeah, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.440 it seems like she might drink. She might drink, yeah, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.080 or it's just her so you know. I feel like 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.280 her social life is built around, yeah, having drinks with friends. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:27.000 We talked about it. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.040 I mean, you should stop taking shots of fireball directly 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.280 from the plastic things at a certain age in your life. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.160 I mean, guy, girl, whatever, if you're still housing fireball 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.920 directly from the gas station. Then yeah, there's there's there 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:43.640 might be an issue. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly, Like it's cinnamon flavored, right, 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.360 that's yeah, exactly, it's made. It's made to drink at nineteen, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.680 Like my high school graduation night, we drank Goldschlager. Oh god, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.640 we wanted to find gold schlager. We couldn't. So what 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:07.280 we found was like a gold Schlager imitation. No braunchlogger, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:14.840 fools gold it was. It was like, uh it was. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.959 It was a cinnamon flavored liqueur that had red crystals 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.080 in it, like red. It basically tasted like what's the 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:27.520 cinnamon gum? Oh, it tastes like bigger red as alcohol. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.439 Definitely vomited that night. Yeah, graduating from high school. Yeah 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.560 all right. Well, then they talk about the family thing, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.880 and he is dismissive of his entire family, which we've 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.280 already kind of established, which is, I don't take a 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:46.080 good look kutzu Torrian. Felipe Macy gives a speech. Her 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.000 sister says she wants a husband who will take care 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.760 of her sister the way that she is taking care 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.679 of her, which is really nice, and Jeremy gets up. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.439 Felipe's friend starts teasing Felipe for his ego, then gets 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.880 real says he's always having the most fun, and you know, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.720 it seems like Felipe's beloved kind of kind of dig 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.160 in this couple. Oh they're great, they're great. They're one 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.760 of my favorites. They really are. They got a shot yep. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.280 And then his sister gets up and says, thought this 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.120 day would never come. And then we hear Felipe's very 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.640 loud laugh for the really I think the first time, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.280 and she makes a joke if you could put up 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.040 with his dance moves and his laughter, which I totally 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.319 I was like, oh, he's got one of those big laughs, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.000 which is like a love it or hate it kind 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.280 of moment, you know, like, yeah, I'm somebody who loves 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.080 people's big laughs. I need to tell her how Dune 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.440 your laugh is, how it's one of those things. Have 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.360 I told you the story about Alex and her laugh? 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:36.840 No? 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.800 Oh my god, So there's this. I definitely told you 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.320 the story. You probably just don't remember because I think 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.400 I told it on the podcast. But there's a My 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.079 wife is a very big laugh. She's a big laugh 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.960 for it. She's a very high pitched laugh and they 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.560 like me, some would say a cackle, and there was 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.160 a there was a the comedy duo garfunklnd oates. They're 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.200 like a singer. It's right, they're famous. They're they're both 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.200 become famous actor. I'm blanking on both their names. But anyway, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.200 they used to just do this comedy duo where they 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:09.040 would sing comedy songs. And there's a YouTube video of them. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.520 We were at this concert when we first saw them, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.480 and then we found the YouTube video like two years 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.440 later of the concert we were at, and you can 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:22.680 hear Alex above the audience the whole time. And sure enough, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.600 like one of the first comments on the YouTube video 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.320 was like, they're really funny, but that lady's laugh is 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:28.000 driving me. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.280 But I love it. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.679 I love that. I love a big laugh. I think 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.000 when people are free to laugh, it's just impressive. Like 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.320 that also has a guy who likes to make people laugh. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.480 You love being able to hear those sharp laughs. And 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.720 we remember the laughs of all of our writers, like 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:50.960 we know the specific last Yeah, we remember our writers laughs. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.680 And I think the more distinct the better. Actually agreed, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.600 it's mecha and logic talking. Yeah, he's a big personality. Man, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.480 This guy logic, Yeah, and he immediately is like backtracking 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.160 on the cheek thing, like with his yeah, well I 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.840 think he didn't. I think he's trying to. They just 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:21.600 kept bringing it. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.360 Up too, and it was like I was hoping that 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.360 this was a producer's just edit, where really there was 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.760 three conversations that took place the entire night that kind 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.400 of brushed slightly on the cheek thing, but they edited 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.880 together to make it look bigger than it was because 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.480 they dwelled on this a lot, where it's like, well, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.040 what did you think of that? 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.559 What do you think? It's like, Okay, I think he's 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.480 just the dad is just one of those guys who 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.679 just says whatever's funniest in the moment. Yeah, I think 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.520 because he just is such a big personality to a detriment, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.959 I think I agree. I was kind of like, dude, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.840 you're you're this is your son's day. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.320 No, it's logic. Stay, there's a camera around and he 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.120 wants to be on TV. Yeah that's what it came out. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.360 That's what it came come out to. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.400 To me. It seems like yeah, yeah, all right, Well 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.200 then we're introduced to Courtney and Nick. We get to 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.640 see this couple. We had met her, we'd met both 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.959 of them briefly in the first episode, but now we 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.680 get into their story. Courtney is a bodybuilder from a 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.319 family of bodybuilders, which I've never even heard of. Such 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.080 a thing. I need her mom, she shredded. But then 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.480 I love that she doesn't want a bodybuilder because she 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.440 doesn't want the ego. Right. She's fascinating that she knows 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.920 that about bodybuilders, and yet she has won herself or 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.320 has been one. But she does want somebody who's athletic 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.600 at least plays the sport. Cut to Nick, who played 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.840 lacrosse and then went to m I T which is impressive. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:39.400 Yeah. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.640 Yeah. And then she does this thing where she she 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.000 says she wants to lists of she wants somebody who 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.000 still drinks, isn't gonna make her wear a turtleneck and 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.680 celebrates Christmas, but isn't going to go to church every Sunday. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.160 I just love how uniquely specific this is. I think 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.400 she's right on, like, this is a good list to have. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.640 I'm not sure what the turtleneck thing means, how did 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:00.280 you inter I. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.880 Think I think what it means is essentially isn't doesn't 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.480 want to is secure enough in their relationship that she 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.480 can kind of dress how she wants and it's not 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.800 gonna be like, hey, put on put on more respectable 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:10.160 clothes than that. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.840 If we're gonna go out, that's all okay, Like she 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.520 could be a little free with her Like, yeah, okay, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.520 I thought maybe just she thought like turtle next meant 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.640 that you were like stuffy and reserved and like, which 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.360 is kind of the same thing. But yeah, I don't think. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.480 It's more like it allows me to be me and 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.440 knows it is secure enough to know I'm coming home 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.400 with you, So if I want to dress a little sexy, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:27.640 it's for you, not for. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.840 Everybody else in them. Okay, cool, that's kind of what 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.000 I took from that. Okay, cool, I like that interpretation, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.040 all right. Then they have this whole like she wants 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.960 him to be political conversation, She wants him to be conservative, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.640 she doesn't want to date a liberal. But then of 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.920 course she kind of makes this like she's economically conservative, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.760 but women ever write to choose, so they're trying to 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.160 nail this down. He claims that he's mostly conservative but 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.600 has liberal views, But then when the producers ask him 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.040 to name one issue. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.520 I can't now, so I don't know if he's just 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:57.200 math related. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.400 Yeah, so you don't think I thought maybe he was 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.600 just being coy and he didn't want to like say anything. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.760 I think in this I think, in the climate that 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.880 we live in right now, you say one wrong, weird 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 thing politically, and all of a sudden half the country 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:10.560 instantly hate it. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.520 So I know you think he was holding back or 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.000 do you think? Oh, I think you have to in 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.440 this day and age. I'm amazed she even says she 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:17.960 wants to date a conservative. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:19.760 But it does seem like an important conversation. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:21.880 It's a huge important But how much you're going to 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.360 say on camera and how much you're going to say 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:24.080 to your partner might be. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.480 Completely different thing. Your wedding. I think you have to. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.520 I get it, it could have been in all the paperwork. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.120 I'm surprised they don't have more of these conversations. But 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.880 by the way, it's a mood point. The second she 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.080 can't remember what January sixth means. At ye point, I 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.160 thought it was so cool because Paul's like, all right, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.040 just you saying that you don't remember that as helpful 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.720 because now that means it's not really that political. That's 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:43.760 now Here's my question. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.160 Do you believe she didn't truly know what it was 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:48.720 or do you believe that she. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:49.760 Didn't want to talk about it. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.760 I did. I watched it twice and I couldn't know. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.560 I thought she truly okay, No, I thought she truly 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.280 was Like I think when she meant political, she has 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.520 certain things she cares about, which I think she expressed, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.560 which is that she wants somebody who's economically conservative, but 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.200 then she has the woman's right to choose. Like those 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.560 are pretty clear things she says. But the fact that 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.639 she doesn't remember that January sixth is a date me 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.159 or that anything big happen means that she's not on 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.240 one side of the divide clearly enough to make it 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:20.919 an issue. Do you know what I mean? Like, like 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.600 her life doesn't revolve around politics. No, And the fact 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.720 that he couldn't remember anything or they were both being 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:32.879 KOI because I've never received the same answer, which is, no, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.160 politics are important, but then not important enough to actually 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.800 take a stance in the kind of the major issues 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:38.479 of the day right now. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:43.160 So okay, she talks about being cheated on Nick talks 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.800 about how we won't cheat, never cheat, and then Paul 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.359 has this moment with her where he's like, you're a 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.480 compelling person, but you don't think you are incredible, and 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:52.720 she kind of almost breaks down. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:58.200 So that was interesting, Like she's very cool, very confident, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.320 she's very like interesting and going, yeah, she's cool. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.840 I also think she's and we'll get into it. Very 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.520 aware of some possible red flag. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.960 Yeah, totally. Yeah, in general, I like almost everybody on 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.440 the show, me too, except for the most part, except 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.160 but also even Adam, like you were saying, he's such 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.439 a douche, it's almost like, Okay, he's not pretending to 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.280 be anything. He's not. No, but the thing he's pretending 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.360 to be I'm not. Yeah, that's exactly, but that's the thing. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.159 Yeah, it's it's the thing he's pretending to be is 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:32.400 not that good a thing. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.480 It's a little strange. Yeah, surprisingly, I would say yeah, 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.160 I would say so, Well, we'll get into it, because 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.960 there are the dudes in general are a little like 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.879 like Nick is not like her. What she sees is 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.080 red flags, which I think you're alluding to about the 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.840 reality show thing. Yeah, is a red flag for me too, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.240 you know, me too, but he plays against it. He 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.639 actually is actual person, like what he says on screen 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.600 and how he is. I'm like, dude, you're great, but 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.159 he's great for wonder you know. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.760 That's what I'm I mean again, it's how many reality 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.600 shows can you be on before the person you're with 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.200