Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, a podcast to begin with
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, wandered through castles, survived beaches, and
Speaker 1: spend an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties.
Speaker 1: Along the way, Will and I riffed on what I
Speaker 1: thought was a hypothetical observation, maybe arranged marriage isn't the
Speaker 1: worst idea, and apparently our producers were listening. So now
Speaker 1: we're watching Married at First Sight season twenty, a show
Speaker 1: where complete strangers meet at the altar, say I do,
Speaker 1: and only then begin the awkward process of discovering whether
Speaker 1: they have anything whatsoever in common. We are Wilfordell, who
Speaker 1: loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage
Speaker 1: and not the wedding, and Ryder Strong, who loves love
Speaker 1: and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now
Speaker 1: being forced to defend it for an entire television season.
Speaker 1: Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and bleat strangers
Speaker 1: all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals.
Speaker 1: This is Pod meets twirled All or Nothing. I will,
Speaker 1: Hi Rider, how's it going? It's good? But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I missed the.
Speaker 2: Original intro to the to the show, which you've not
Speaker 2: gotten a chance to get.
Speaker 1: Wait, so original intro to what show?
Speaker 3: To Meredith first Sight, there used to be a song
Speaker 3: It's all.
Speaker 1: In nothing, It's allid nothing.
Speaker 2: And it became a big on running joke in my
Speaker 2: house because the first time we heard it, Sue thought
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: Saying so many penguins. So we still to this day
Speaker 1: walked around going so many a pang, that's a whole
Speaker 1: different shoice's wait a minute, but nothing. That does not
Speaker 1: sound anything like it, but it does the way it
Speaker 1: trails of many peg. Okay, well that's what we should
Speaker 1: have called this whole season. Then we should have called
Speaker 1: this show so many penguins. That's like trap your smokeing
Speaker 1: that's going up there, that's now part of our show.
Speaker 1: It is so I missing the original open open pod
Speaker 1: swirled so many pegs? Man, how you feeling about Meredith
Speaker 1: First Sight as we am digging it? I think the
Speaker 1: only show I haven't been able to get into for
Speaker 1: our entire journey so far is in this City this
Speaker 1: I'm in hook line and Sinker once again with the
Speaker 1: show I've seen it before.
Speaker 3: I think it's great.
Speaker 1: So this show to me in some ways, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's less manipulative in terms of its presentation.
Speaker 1: It's much more sort of like I would say, like
Speaker 1: documentary film style, Like it's sort of like more neutral.
Speaker 1: You feel like the producers and everybody are just sort
Speaker 1: of a little more removed and letting people kind of
Speaker 1: just be and letting awkward moments kind of stay awkward
Speaker 1: and ambiguous, like I'm not always sure what exactly has happened.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it, but like the end of this
Speaker 1: second episode, I was a little like, what exactly is happening?
Speaker 1: And they don't quite answer it. They don't know push
Speaker 1: you and I I think that's incredibly that. I like
Speaker 1: that that. I think you've got a better film making,
Speaker 1: better storytelling. It is making me more awkward, Like my
Speaker 1: heart is kind of racing, Like at times I'm like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: that's in the city. Yeah, I don't know, man, I yeah,
Speaker 1: in the city. I guess I was sort of more
Speaker 1: prepared for it to be feel more fan manufactured, and
Speaker 1: I felt like the people kind of knew what they
Speaker 1: were getting into. In this case, the stakes are real.
Speaker 1: These people want to get married. Yeah, I legally do,
Speaker 1: and legally do I. I'm staying with a friend in
Speaker 1: Chicago right now. I'm on my road trip across I'm
Speaker 1: staying with a friend who when I said what I
Speaker 1: was coming in this room to record, she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And apparently they had a friend who
Speaker 1: was asked. He went through the process, got into onto
Speaker 1: married at first sight and turned it down because he
Speaker 1: got and I was like, wait, so he didn't get picked,
Speaker 1: and they were like, no, he got picked. He just
Speaker 1: once he realized how real it was because he hadn't
Speaker 1: watched the show I get so he was like he's
Speaker 1: hold a blog. Yeah, because he was like, no, this
Speaker 1: is like real marriage. I can't do that. He thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be a sort of hokey and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it that's the thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little married. It's an arranged marriage. You are married. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is you know.
Speaker 2: And and there's there's It's funny because there's times where
Speaker 2: I remember hearing seasons past and I'm sure we're gonna
Speaker 2: hear it a lot this season coming up to when
Speaker 2: people start to hit different potholes or whatever, you hear,
Speaker 2: you keep hearing the same three words over and over again.
Speaker 1: Trust the process, Trust the process. Really yes to each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah or or or they're the experts, quote unquote, say
Speaker 2: it to them like, there's a reason we put you together.
Speaker 2: There's a reason that you were chosen to do this.
Speaker 2: Trust the process, Trust the process. So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see how it's gonna work out this season because I've
Speaker 2: already got my favorites and someone I'm like, you got
Speaker 2: to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, second episode we are back
Speaker 1: with Marissa and Adam in that moment of yeah, you
Speaker 1: were but totally wrong. It also wasn't as big of
Speaker 1: a deal as they, of course made it out to me,
Speaker 1: which was when they showed them ending the last episode
Speaker 1: with I Know Him, it was sort of like, oh, God,
Speaker 1: do these does this couple have a history? Is not
Speaker 1: going to be good. Turns out they they did have
Speaker 1: a history, but it's that they hit on each other,
Speaker 1: that he hit on her at a bar and got
Speaker 1: her number, got her number, and then they never actually
Speaker 1: went on a dator, but they both remembered each other
Speaker 1: as which I did find interesting. It was like there
Speaker 1: was still this immediate connection. They never played, they never
Speaker 1: followed through with it. But anyway, so yeah, so they
Speaker 1: hadn't talked for under a minute, and then we get
Speaker 1: to their little vowel speeches moments, and she says she
Speaker 1: talks about being raised by a strong mom and kindness
Speaker 1: and showed up for each other, and Adam dreud To
Speaker 1: Forbes says, vibe in to the mes. Vibe into this guy.
Speaker 1: He's such a douche. I'm almost starting to like him.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, because it's because it kind of
Speaker 1: purely himself, Like it's it's yeah, I know, he's entertaining
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Affected it's like everything it feels like, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: he does it later forever, episode after episode, just ripping
Speaker 2: the jet skis, and I.
Speaker 1: Know, I know, so weird in some ways a guy
Speaker 1: like this, I'm always like I kind of wish I
Speaker 1: had a little of that confidence, you know, like he
Speaker 1: just goes through the world. He goes through the world
Speaker 1: thinking he's figured it all out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's doing it right with.
Speaker 1: Six five a gentleman on scholar six five, And that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, it's insufferable. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: and I always wonder about this, like how much delusion
Speaker 1: is good. How much delusion is good? Because you know,
Speaker 1: I've gone through periods of my life crippled by self
Speaker 1: doubt and anxiety, and then you look back on those times,
Speaker 1: you're like, what were you worried about? Dude? You shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been that insecure or whatever. Right, So, in some way,
Speaker 1: I think you just go and find the vast majority of.
Speaker 2: Women, and I'm gonna I know nothing of women. I
Speaker 2: know nothing of the dating world.
Speaker 1: However, I found with my single friends whoever the height. Wait,
Speaker 1: none of that stuff matters as nearly as much as
Speaker 1: when you ask a woman what she wants. And one
Speaker 1: of the things they keep talking around is confidence. Confidence
Speaker 1: women want a guy walks into the room, and its attraction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think it's attraction, Like I just think when
Speaker 1: somebody is themselves right where they are confident, But I
Speaker 1: do think he takes it's a disperge you and it's
Speaker 1: but it's those things. If you like those things, if
Speaker 1: you like healthy, eating, jet skis and yeah, really long piano.
Speaker 2: Playing, really long piano soliloquies. That was my favorite Siva
Speaker 2: show I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it. Well, they they talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that he had a tank on when he hit
Speaker 1: on her, and he calls it this is he does
Speaker 1: say that's cringey. He talks about himself being a little
Speaker 1: cringey at that moment.
Speaker 2: Meaning a tank top, right, Yeah, that was he said,
Speaker 2: was a little bit bar and he was a little
Speaker 2: bit It was almost like a crop tank top at
Speaker 2: a bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but that's his vibe. Man, He's like jumping
Speaker 1: off the jet ski to go get it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: are sooner a picture.
Speaker 2: It's twelve thirty in the afternoon, he's been he's been
Speaker 2: jet skiing, and he stopped at some local bar to
Speaker 2: grab something to eat and he met her. Because that's
Speaker 2: different than wearing a tank top at eleven o'clock at
Speaker 2: night at a dance club.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Where are they? Do we know where?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in Seattle, Seattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, don't. You're not wearing a tank top in
Speaker 1: midnight and Seattle in Florida or something, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm time of year in Seattle where you
Speaker 1: can do it at night. So yeah, it's probably during
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: It's probably during Give him the benefit of the down,
Speaker 2: Give him the benefit of the Douche.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's my your favorite site? All right?
Speaker 1: There is a traction here. They start talking and I
Speaker 1: feel like she's clearly playing along, and she's like I
Speaker 1: loved your gifts, like did you Yeah? But then she's like, uh, pickleball.
Speaker 1: I love pickleball. Now I do. Now I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's trying. She's trying. Yeah, And she even tries to
Speaker 1: the extent where she downplays her own reading because he's
Speaker 1: like your book. I was like, whoa, are you one
Speaker 1: of those people who like reads all day? And she's
Speaker 1: like I know, oh no. But then he says I
Speaker 1: don't drink, and you can see her kind of like
Speaker 1: take that moment of like, oh, that's like the one
Speaker 1: moment where she's not going to play it off. Yeah funny, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like she might drink. She might drink, yeah,
Speaker 1: or it's just her so you know. I feel like
Speaker 1: her social life is built around, yeah, having drinks with friends.
Speaker 1: We talked about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you should stop taking shots of fireball directly
Speaker 2: from the plastic things at a certain age in your life.
Speaker 2: I mean, guy, girl, whatever, if you're still housing fireball
Speaker 2: directly from the gas station. Then yeah, there's there's there
Speaker 2: might be an issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly, Like it's cinnamon flavored, right,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, exactly, it's made. It's made to drink at nineteen,
Speaker 1: Like my high school graduation night, we drank Goldschlager. Oh god,
Speaker 1: we wanted to find gold schlager. We couldn't. So what
Speaker 1: we found was like a gold Schlager imitation. No braunchlogger,
Speaker 1: fools gold it was. It was like, uh it was.
Speaker 1: It was a cinnamon flavored liqueur that had red crystals
Speaker 1: in it, like red. It basically tasted like what's the
Speaker 1: cinnamon gum? Oh, it tastes like bigger red as alcohol.
Speaker 1: Definitely vomited that night. Yeah, graduating from high school. Yeah
Speaker 1: all right. Well, then they talk about the family thing,
Speaker 1: and he is dismissive of his entire family, which we've
Speaker 1: already kind of established, which is, I don't take a
Speaker 1: good look kutzu Torrian. Felipe Macy gives a speech. Her
Speaker 1: sister says she wants a husband who will take care
Speaker 1: of her sister the way that she is taking care
Speaker 1: of her, which is really nice, and Jeremy gets up.
Speaker 1: Felipe's friend starts teasing Felipe for his ego, then gets
Speaker 1: real says he's always having the most fun, and you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like Felipe's beloved kind of kind of dig
Speaker 1: in this couple. Oh they're great, they're great. They're one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. They really are. They got a shot yep.
Speaker 1: And then his sister gets up and says, thought this
Speaker 1: day would never come. And then we hear Felipe's very
Speaker 1: loud laugh for the really I think the first time,
Speaker 1: and she makes a joke if you could put up
Speaker 1: with his dance moves and his laughter, which I totally
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's got one of those big laughs,
Speaker 1: which is like a love it or hate it kind
Speaker 1: of moment, you know, like, yeah, I'm somebody who loves
Speaker 1: people's big laughs. I need to tell her how Dune
Speaker 1: your laugh is, how it's one of those things. Have
Speaker 1: I told you the story about Alex and her laugh?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So there's this. I definitely told you
Speaker 1: the story. You probably just don't remember because I think
Speaker 1: I told it on the podcast. But there's a My
Speaker 1: wife is a very big laugh. She's a big laugh
Speaker 1: for it. She's a very high pitched laugh and they
Speaker 1: like me, some would say a cackle, and there was
Speaker 1: a there was a the comedy duo garfunklnd oates. They're
Speaker 1: like a singer. It's right, they're famous. They're they're both
Speaker 1: become famous actor. I'm blanking on both their names. But anyway,
Speaker 1: they used to just do this comedy duo where they
Speaker 1: would sing comedy songs. And there's a YouTube video of them.
Speaker 1: We were at this concert when we first saw them,
Speaker 1: and then we found the YouTube video like two years
Speaker 1: later of the concert we were at, and you can
Speaker 1: hear Alex above the audience the whole time. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: like one of the first comments on the YouTube video
Speaker 1: was like, they're really funny, but that lady's laugh is
Speaker 1: driving me.
Speaker 5: But I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love a big laugh. I think
Speaker 1: when people are free to laugh, it's just impressive. Like
Speaker 1: that also has a guy who likes to make people laugh.
Speaker 1: You love being able to hear those sharp laughs. And
Speaker 1: we remember the laughs of all of our writers, like
Speaker 1: we know the specific last Yeah, we remember our writers laughs.
Speaker 1: And I think the more distinct the better. Actually agreed,
Speaker 1: it's mecha and logic talking. Yeah, he's a big personality. Man,
Speaker 1: This guy logic, Yeah, and he immediately is like backtracking
Speaker 1: on the cheek thing, like with his yeah, well I
Speaker 1: think he didn't. I think he's trying to. They just
Speaker 1: kept bringing it.
Speaker 2: Up too, and it was like I was hoping that
Speaker 2: this was a producer's just edit, where really there was
Speaker 2: three conversations that took place the entire night that kind
Speaker 2: of brushed slightly on the cheek thing, but they edited
Speaker 2: together to make it look bigger than it was because
Speaker 2: they dwelled on this a lot, where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: what did you think of that?
Speaker 1: What do you think? It's like, Okay, I think he's
Speaker 1: just the dad is just one of those guys who
Speaker 1: just says whatever's funniest in the moment. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: because he just is such a big personality to a detriment,
Speaker 1: I think I agree. I was kind of like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're you're this is your son's day.
Speaker 2: No, it's logic. Stay, there's a camera around and he
Speaker 2: wants to be on TV. Yeah that's what it came out.
Speaker 2: That's what it came come out to.
Speaker 1: To me. It seems like yeah, yeah, all right, Well
Speaker 1: then we're introduced to Courtney and Nick. We get to
Speaker 1: see this couple. We had met her, we'd met both
Speaker 1: of them briefly in the first episode, but now we
Speaker 1: get into their story. Courtney is a bodybuilder from a
Speaker 1: family of bodybuilders, which I've never even heard of. Such
Speaker 1: a thing. I need her mom, she shredded. But then
Speaker 1: I love that she doesn't want a bodybuilder because she
Speaker 1: doesn't want the ego. Right. She's fascinating that she knows
Speaker 1: that about bodybuilders, and yet she has won herself or
Speaker 1: has been one. But she does want somebody who's athletic
Speaker 1: at least plays the sport. Cut to Nick, who played
Speaker 1: lacrosse and then went to m I T which is impressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then she does this thing where she she
Speaker 1: says she wants to lists of she wants somebody who
Speaker 1: still drinks, isn't gonna make her wear a turtleneck and
Speaker 1: celebrates Christmas, but isn't going to go to church every Sunday.
Speaker 1: I just love how uniquely specific this is. I think
Speaker 1: she's right on, like, this is a good list to have.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the turtleneck thing means, how did
Speaker 1: you inter I.
Speaker 2: Think I think what it means is essentially isn't doesn't
Speaker 2: want to is secure enough in their relationship that she
Speaker 2: can kind of dress how she wants and it's not
Speaker 2: gonna be like, hey, put on put on more respectable
Speaker 2: clothes than that.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna go out, that's all okay, Like she
Speaker 1: could be a little free with her Like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe just she thought like turtle next meant
Speaker 1: that you were like stuffy and reserved and like, which
Speaker 1: is kind of the same thing. But yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: It's more like it allows me to be me and
Speaker 2: knows it is secure enough to know I'm coming home
Speaker 2: with you, So if I want to dress a little sexy,
Speaker 2: it's for you, not for.
Speaker 1: Everybody else in them. Okay, cool, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I took from that. Okay, cool, I like that interpretation,
Speaker 1: all right. Then they have this whole like she wants
Speaker 1: him to be political conversation, She wants him to be conservative,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to date a liberal. But then of
Speaker 1: course she kind of makes this like she's economically conservative,
Speaker 1: but women ever write to choose, so they're trying to
Speaker 1: nail this down. He claims that he's mostly conservative but
Speaker 1: has liberal views, But then when the producers ask him
Speaker 1: to name one issue.
Speaker 2: I can't now, so I don't know if he's just
Speaker 2: math related.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you don't think I thought maybe he was
Speaker 1: just being coy and he didn't want to like say anything.
Speaker 1: I think in this I think, in the climate that
Speaker 1: we live in right now, you say one wrong, weird
Speaker 1: thing politically, and all of a sudden half the country
Speaker 1: instantly hate it.
Speaker 2: So I know you think he was holding back or
Speaker 2: do you think? Oh, I think you have to in
Speaker 2: this day and age. I'm amazed she even says she
Speaker 2: wants to date a conservative.
Speaker 1: But it does seem like an important conversation.
Speaker 2: It's a huge important But how much you're going to
Speaker 2: say on camera and how much you're going to say
Speaker 2: to your partner might be.
Speaker 1: Completely different thing. Your wedding. I think you have to.
Speaker 1: I get it, it could have been in all the paperwork.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they don't have more of these conversations. But
Speaker 1: by the way, it's a mood point. The second she
Speaker 1: can't remember what January sixth means. At ye point, I
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool because Paul's like, all right,
Speaker 1: just you saying that you don't remember that as helpful
Speaker 1: because now that means it's not really that political. That's
Speaker 1: now Here's my question.
Speaker 2: Do you believe she didn't truly know what it was
Speaker 2: or do you believe that she.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I did. I watched it twice and I couldn't know.
Speaker 1: I thought she truly okay, No, I thought she truly
Speaker 1: was Like I think when she meant political, she has
Speaker 1: certain things she cares about, which I think she expressed,
Speaker 1: which is that she wants somebody who's economically conservative, but
Speaker 1: then she has the woman's right to choose. Like those
Speaker 1: are pretty clear things she says. But the fact that
Speaker 1: she doesn't remember that January sixth is a date me
Speaker 1: or that anything big happen means that she's not on
Speaker 1: one side of the divide clearly enough to make it
Speaker 1: an issue. Do you know what I mean? Like, like
Speaker 1: her life doesn't revolve around politics. No, And the fact
Speaker 1: that he couldn't remember anything or they were both being
Speaker 1: KOI because I've never received the same answer, which is, no,
Speaker 1: politics are important, but then not important enough to actually
Speaker 1: take a stance in the kind of the major issues
Speaker 1: of the day right now.
Speaker 6: So okay, she talks about being cheated on Nick talks
Speaker 6: about how we won't cheat, never cheat, and then Paul
Speaker 6: has this moment with her where he's like, you're a
Speaker 6: compelling person, but you don't think you are incredible, and
Speaker 6: she kind of almost breaks down.
Speaker 1: So that was interesting, Like she's very cool, very confident,
Speaker 1: she's very like interesting and going, yeah, she's cool.
Speaker 2: I also think she's and we'll get into it. Very
Speaker 2: aware of some possible red flag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Yeah, in general, I like almost everybody on
Speaker 1: the show, me too, except for the most part, except
Speaker 1: but also even Adam, like you were saying, he's such
Speaker 1: a douche, it's almost like, Okay, he's not pretending to
Speaker 1: be anything. He's not. No, but the thing he's pretending
Speaker 1: to be I'm not. Yeah, that's exactly, but that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the thing he's pretending to be is
Speaker 2: not that good a thing.
Speaker 1: It's a little strange. Yeah, surprisingly, I would say yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say so, Well, we'll get into it, because
Speaker 1: there are the dudes in general are a little like
Speaker 1: like Nick is not like her. What she sees is
Speaker 1: red flags, which I think you're alluding to about the
Speaker 1: reality show thing. Yeah, is a red flag for me too,
Speaker 1: you know, me too, but he plays against it. He
Speaker 1: actually is actual person, like what he says on screen
Speaker 1: and how he is. I'm like, dude, you're great, but
Speaker 1: he's great for wonder you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm I mean again, it's how many reality
Speaker 2: shows can you be on before the person you're with
Speaker 2: is like, dude, do you really want to be in
Speaker 2: this or are you on to the next reality show?
Speaker 1: All right, so that ties into what we see next
Speaker 1: on the show, which is that he has been on
Speaker 1: The Circle and Perfect Match and apparently more. They only
Speaker 1: mentioned those two at this point. Later we get some more,
Speaker 1: but it turns out he's been on like five, which
Speaker 1: is pretty intense. That's a lot, Maddie.
Speaker 2: Yes, red Flag, if you've been on five different reality shows?
Speaker 4: Immediately, yes, that's weird.
Speaker 1: You're like jumping around looking for something. Yes, you want
Speaker 1: to be a reality television star, that's what you want,
Speaker 1: and this is the next one that casts you. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's how I look at it. Okay, Well, our matchmakers
Speaker 1: say that you know that the nick challenge is going
Speaker 1: to be to be vulnerable. They describe Courtney as unedited, unfiltered,
Speaker 1: and maybe a foil for his filteredness. Okay, and then
Speaker 1: they say this thing, this is the type of match
Speaker 1: a good Auntie would make. It's just an interesting story.
Speaker 1: I'm like, as opposed to what right, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means exactly. This whole matchmaking things a little
Speaker 1: in the dark to me, like.
Speaker 3: It seems like you're throwing darts.
Speaker 1: Well kind of, But I guess what would be really
Speaker 1: helpful is if we saw some of the alternatives. Each
Speaker 1: time they show these, they're already showing you the people
Speaker 1: that they've chosen, so there's a sense of inevitability to
Speaker 1: the editing and where we're kind of like, there were
Speaker 1: a good match, but it would be really interesting to
Speaker 1: see the ones that didn't make the cup for you.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure that the first seasons of the show, if
Speaker 2: memory serves, they did that. It was like fifty women
Speaker 2: in a room in front of all the matchmakers, and
Speaker 2: then fifty men in the room in front of all
Speaker 2: the matchmakers.
Speaker 1: Interview after interview after that. That would make so much sense
Speaker 1: to me as far as being able to evaluate, because
Speaker 1: we can't evaluate this. It's sort of like astrology. At
Speaker 1: this point, they say stuff that we then get to
Speaker 1: see play out, but because they said it, what we're
Speaker 1: thinking on those terms, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's like it's like what came to filling prophecy.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And it's a little like I would I can't
Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel equipped to evaluate the matchmaker's competency, basically,
Speaker 1: like I feel like what we see is them creating
Speaker 1: the show that we're seeing. So it's like, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you picked a couple that seemed like they're pretty
Speaker 1: great for each other, and yeah, okay, yeah, the process
Speaker 1: was a lot more in depth in the.
Speaker 3: First couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: If memories so interesting.
Speaker 2: And so it was like if there were fifty people there,
Speaker 2: forty of them didn't get picked, and then forty of
Speaker 2: the guys didn't get picked, and the ten that did,
Speaker 2: we found your match. That's why, like they're still trying
Speaker 2: to keep the moment alive for the for the television
Speaker 2: audience of hey, guess what, we found your match, but
Speaker 2: there's no stakes to it because we already know you're
Speaker 2: whereas they're used to doing.
Speaker 1: Howard, they're not doing that because it's kind of a
Speaker 1: useless moment at this point, And.
Speaker 2: That used to be a big thing where they would
Speaker 2: come up to somebody and be like go to their
Speaker 2: house and be like, we actually we found your match interesting.
Speaker 2: And so you're on the show where now it's just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot different.
Speaker 1: And then we see Nick with his friends while on
Speaker 1: the wedding day. His friends didn't really want him to
Speaker 1: do another reality show, which I think is funny, especially
Speaker 1: realizing later one of them was from like more than what,
Speaker 1: More than What.
Speaker 2: He's like, I got a couple of friends here from
Speaker 2: my reality It's like even your friends were cast.
Speaker 1: But then he does make this joke about himself being
Speaker 1: a D list celebrity, which I found in Deary. You know,
Speaker 1: like he's not saying like he's he's not super proud
Speaker 1: of the reality show thing. Like it's not like he's
Speaker 1: hoping that. I think he's playing. I think it's fake.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I think he's playing against type because he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, I'm a big reality star.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm just I'm a D level celebrity. Man,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even count.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, okay, but I'm gonna be on
Speaker 2: fourteen reality shows.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know, but I do like what he says
Speaker 1: when his friend is like, did you prepare what you're
Speaker 1: gonna say? And he's like, no, I just kind of
Speaker 1: want to be myself. Authenticity. Yeah, like my vibe or
Speaker 1: the thing I'm gonna go with. And I'm authentic on
Speaker 1: all the reality shows I'm on. Oh man, I'm telling.
Speaker 3: You, it's a giant red flag.
Speaker 1: It is. It's just a big old red flag that.
Speaker 2: You this is what you do. This is your life
Speaker 2: is you want to be on reality shows and this
Speaker 2: is the next one you're on.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Nick's dad shows up, gives him a
Speaker 1: pe pep talker. His dad was like very TV dad
Speaker 1: liked me, kind of southernly. Nick starts crying. All right,
Speaker 1: Nick walks out. Everyone's impressed with his looks. And then
Speaker 1: Courtney with her dad, She's pretty stressed and crying. And
Speaker 1: this this whole reveal thing with the bride coming out,
Speaker 1: you know, it's puts a lot of pressure on the
Speaker 1: woman in these situations. Like it's it's very male gazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's very much prioritizing
Speaker 1: the reveal of the gorgeous bride as the moment of
Speaker 1: the entire show. It's it's a lot. I'm not. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a huge fan, but it's even regular weddings. That's
Speaker 1: now the moment they want to capture.
Speaker 2: The regular wedding has a second photoshoot where it's just
Speaker 2: the groom turning around.
Speaker 3: It's his expression.
Speaker 1: For some they've met each other before, like in this case,
Speaker 1: this is the entire show is like basically about whether
Speaker 1: the man is going to be interested and impressed with
Speaker 1: the girls. The vision of the woman walking down the well,
Speaker 1: I can't you say the same, it's the same.
Speaker 2: It's it's still the bride's day because they say it's
Speaker 2: the weddings more about the bride, but she's also it's
Speaker 2: the reveal of turning around if you I mean, we
Speaker 2: saw that later with with with Nicki and Sean where
Speaker 2: Shawn turns around and he's like hell yes, and Nikki
Speaker 2: you can tell is like, oh boy.
Speaker 1: So I mean I think it's a dual thing. It's
Speaker 1: just groom comes in first, then comes the bride. I
Speaker 1: mean that's always the way it is, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I definitely see it more as like she is the prize.
Speaker 1: You know there's a prize. Oh that's yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: the gender dynamics of marriages in general. Have they ever
Speaker 1: done a gay wedding on this.
Speaker 2: Show, Not that I've seen, but maybe they might have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I missed fifteen seasons in there, so.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, But I have a feeling they have it. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling I have a feeling to have there's
Speaker 1: something sort of patriarchal and gendered about this show in general.
Speaker 1: I would say, right, or it's it's it's it's conservative
Speaker 1: in that sense, you know what I mean, Like, it's
Speaker 1: it's old school traditional, even though the point of the
Speaker 1: show is sort of anti tradition. Like the point of
Speaker 1: the show is like, we're going to take this tradition
Speaker 1: to its extreme. We're testing this tradition. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: putting it to the test, and so in some ways
Speaker 1: it kind of has to remain traditional. Does that make it, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it has to lean into certain tropes of the tradition.
Speaker 2: They haven't had same couples on the US version, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you that. Statistically speaking, if they did,
Speaker 2: there's a better chance they're still together than a hetero.
Speaker 1: Couple because almost actual couples have better success rates.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, way, better success rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, less less social pressure, yeah, to force each
Speaker 1: other to be yeah, yep, all right, all right. Well
Speaker 1: we cut to a commercial on his look of course
Speaker 1: always then we see when it come back they both
Speaker 1: appreciate each other's looks. They are both beautiful people.
Speaker 3: Of course, they're both stunning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they give nice speeches. He I mean, he strikes
Speaker 1: a little goofy in a way that I was like,
Speaker 1: is she gonna like this? But then she like imitated
Speaker 1: his like whew moment. I was like, Oh, they are
Speaker 1: kind of similar. You know, they're both like pretty people
Speaker 1: who know that they're attractive, but then also can be
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But he clearly feels comfortable on camera. I mean, he
Speaker 2: clearly feels like, this is my fifth reality show. And
Speaker 2: you can see that there's a every other couple, everybody
Speaker 2: else walks out there.
Speaker 1: There isn't the comfortability.
Speaker 2: You've got the dual, you know, the dual uncomfortableness of
Speaker 2: it's my wedding day. I've never met this person, and
Speaker 2: I'm on a reality TV show. He doesn't have to
Speaker 2: worry about the latter. He's very much used to it
Speaker 2: and again, I'm trying not to hold it against him,
Speaker 2: but it is a big red flag when this is
Speaker 2: just another television show you've been on. I guess I
Speaker 2: would say if you'd been on a reality television show before,
Speaker 2: there's a good chance you could have just done it
Speaker 2: on a lark, like, hey, my friends entered me.
Speaker 3: I thought it'd be fun.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: When you've done five, right, this is what you want
Speaker 2: to do with your life, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a big difference. It's a career at yeah point,
Speaker 1: which is fine. It means you're an influencer. Sure, you
Speaker 1: are a reality show per absolutely, but this is doesn't
Speaker 1: value the marriage, and.
Speaker 2: Of course she's going to be thinking twice about that
Speaker 2: as her bridesmaids are going, oh, we watched him on
Speaker 2: the whatever, and we saw him on this, and.
Speaker 1: She's asking all his friends is this going to be like,
Speaker 1: is this the thing a question? Oh? Yes? But I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe I just
Speaker 1: like them both, so I'm rooting for. I don't dislike him.
Speaker 3: I don't dislike him.
Speaker 1: I I him. Yeah, I question his motives, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. They talk a little bit after the ceremony,
Speaker 1: and they seem to be getting along well. He apparently
Speaker 1: likes to be called daddy. Yike, where do you stand
Speaker 1: on daddy? I mean it's so not my wife like,
Speaker 1: it's like like that actually like repulses her, like the idea.
Speaker 1: So no, But I think if if my wife, if
Speaker 1: I was with the girl who was really into it,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be completely against it because I do like
Speaker 1: being a dat you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: like being right.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's what the way they say,
Speaker 2: if that's what it means. I don't think it's like
Speaker 2: I'm doing it because you're a great father.
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: You're a woman looking at you, you're on top of her,
Speaker 2: and she calls you daddy?
Speaker 1: Is about.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've always found that Again, I'm hey, everybody's
Speaker 2: sexual whatever is their own sexual whatever, but it was
Speaker 2: never my thing either.
Speaker 1: Where it's like right, I guess it's about that. It's
Speaker 1: about not necessarily dominant, but certainly like a position of authority.
Speaker 1: Yeahs case I became a father, I did enjoy having
Speaker 1: a position of authority, Like they gave me confidence and
Speaker 1: made me feel cool like and better in a way
Speaker 1: that I never thought was a thing until I was
Speaker 1: a dad, and I was like, oh, I like being
Speaker 1: a dad, Like I like being the authority in this,
Speaker 1: like when I'm around a bunch of kids, or like,
Speaker 1: I like being like that gave me a sense of confidence,
Speaker 1: and so I could see that that gives you like
Speaker 1: a rush to be But it's not sexual for me
Speaker 1: because it never has been. But I've just never been
Speaker 1: in that situation since I've been a father.
Speaker 2: And again not my thing either. But hey, go whatever,
Speaker 2: float your boat, daddy.
Speaker 1: You could call me daddy though. Well, so I guess
Speaker 1: it was weird to me is that it was like
Speaker 1: his gay friend pretending to catfish, yeah, calling him dad,
Speaker 1: which he then was still saying that he liked, which
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, there's some layers here that I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not the layers are a little yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Cut to Michelle once, a guy who was dull as
Speaker 1: and into sports. This is our first time meeting her.
Speaker 1: We see her with her friend Tam. He says, they
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to match you up with an
Speaker 1: UGO second Ugo record with the Ugsuh. We'll find out
Speaker 1: that she had her eggs frozen when she was twenty six,
Speaker 1: really wants to have babies?
Speaker 3: Hey man, five rids are no joke.
Speaker 1: Really, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fibriids are no joke. There can be unbelievably painful
Speaker 2: and damaging. Yeah they Yeah, no joke at all.
Speaker 1: I like Michelle, but we don't really learn that much
Speaker 1: about her doing no, because I'm realizing I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my notes, I'm like, do I know what she does?
Speaker 1: What does she do for a living? Do we know? Like?
Speaker 3: I don't think we do.
Speaker 1: I mean just compared to everybody else, Like what I
Speaker 1: think about, like Belle Jolie as a singer song right,
Speaker 1: Like we know kind of what Courtney is a bodybuilder,
Speaker 1: and we kind of know what everybody does. Like Michelle,
Speaker 1: I like her, but I don't actually, I realized, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if I know that much.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I know about Cameron. Cameron's a basketball coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess her story is more about wanting to
Speaker 1: have kids and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she seems to also come from a very tight
Speaker 3: knit family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is great and we'll get into it. But
Speaker 1: like her dad not wanting to be on camera, it
Speaker 1: is like, in some ways I could totally understand that.
Speaker 1: Yeah me too, Yeah me too. Paul and Lisa talking
Speaker 1: about Cameron say he's him, but he doesn't realize he's him,
Speaker 1: which is another one of these sort of like weird
Speaker 1: quotes that I was like, kind of a name, But
Speaker 1: then I thought about it. That sentence doesn't apply to Adam, right,
Speaker 1: like Adam realizes who he is, and so I kind
Speaker 1: of like then I was like, yeah if, I if.
Speaker 1: But as a statement, I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I said, Adams the kind of guy I will
Speaker 2: talk about himself in the third person and say things
Speaker 2: like if.
Speaker 1: You don't like Adam, that's not like you. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's like, okay, Adams fault, don't make
Speaker 1: the player, all right. So Cameron's a basketball coach, never
Speaker 1: been in a long term relationship. And so at this
Speaker 1: point when I looked at uh, Michelle, did she remind
Speaker 1: you of anybody at all? She reminds me of somebody
Speaker 1: and I can't think of who. Rowan Blanchard is that
Speaker 1: who she looks like? Roan is that who is? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, kind of eerie, it's kind of eerie, like
Speaker 1: and I think it's actually the way she talks and
Speaker 1: you know, I know when she was just a month ago.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Rowan since she was since we finished
Speaker 1: Groman's World, so it's been years. But and I've only
Speaker 1: seen photos.
Speaker 3: Totally see that.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because like, yeah, yeah, different ethnicities, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Rowan is Asian at all. If I'm
Speaker 1: remembering correctly, she's Persian or I don't know, but they
Speaker 1: look a lot like this is so interesting. Totally similar vibes,
Speaker 1: similar faces, very fascinated. Maybe that's what it is. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: she totally Yeah.
Speaker 7: By the way I saw her a month ago, she
Speaker 7: looked great. She sounds like she's doing great. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: gotta watch testaments and she's doing awesome. Yeah I can,
Speaker 7: Oh my god, like look see it now? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 7: they have similar faces and the way they talk. It
Speaker 7: was so funny because I.
Speaker 1: Was, who do you remind me? I was like, it's Rowan.
Speaker 1: Interesting wedding day. Cameron doesn't even know what finger the
Speaker 1: ring goes on there in the name Buddy. His family
Speaker 1: talks about how they haven't met any girls. I think
Speaker 1: this is a red flag, man, I agree to one
Speaker 1: thousand percent. That's weird, dude. You have not brought girls home.
Speaker 1: You've never dated anybody more? I'm that like, weirds me out.
Speaker 1: I don't, dude, Like you know what I went through
Speaker 1: mental health wise, how little I went out, how little
Speaker 1: I dated.
Speaker 3: I didn't leave my house for seven years.
Speaker 2: I was in two two or more year relationships before
Speaker 2: I met my wife. Yes, and I never I barely
Speaker 2: left my house. Right, So how I mean, how do
Speaker 2: you how do you get to be thirty seven? I know, man,
Speaker 2: you don't have you know, when you're nineteen, you don't
Speaker 2: meet somebody for a year, a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Everybody does that. Yeah, there's it's it's there's something very
Speaker 1: it's a little like I don't know, I get like
Speaker 1: kind of asexual vibes from him, interests that makes sense,
Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't seem like he's super driven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's driven mentally by the idea of having a partner. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's driven like physically or like
Speaker 1: emotionally by like wanting a partner. Yeah, he's very even
Speaker 1: with her, like once they meet, Like, it's not a like, ah,
Speaker 1: I know how to like put my body with another
Speaker 1: person or like, and it just seems like and I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's just the experience or if there's
Speaker 1: something maybe that's just not there for him, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I'm like, intellectually, he keeps saying
Speaker 1: all this stuff about it, I want love, I want
Speaker 1: to be married, But does his body feel that, you know,
Speaker 1: does his soul? I don't know how else to think
Speaker 1: about it, Like, I don't know, it's a weird.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing the last thing man or woman wants in
Speaker 2: their partner when they meet somebody is oh, I have
Speaker 2: to teach you how to be in a relationship from
Speaker 2: the bottom up.
Speaker 1: But that's your husband. Well maybe, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So we see Michelle with her family, and this is
Speaker 1: where we find out that her dad is not comfortable
Speaker 1: being on camera, which I totally get, and then he
Speaker 1: writes this heartbreaking letter, which I thought was great. Luckily,
Speaker 1: her mom talks about how tall is beautiful, which sets
Speaker 1: up good because this guy's giant. And was it Is
Speaker 1: it her grandmother who was in an arranged marriage or
Speaker 1: so her mom and her mom and dad were an
Speaker 1: arranged marriage. Yeah, so there, yeah, crazy. Yeah. Wedding day
Speaker 1: he walks out, her family's happy. He's tall, of course,
Speaker 1: once she walks down the aisle, his assessment is you
Speaker 1: look beautiful, like a businessman assessing. I mean, he's just
Speaker 1: he's he's very awkward to this, and I think he's
Speaker 1: just like you are beautiful, like okay, like it's not
Speaker 1: like in his like DNA in a way I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know, I think he's also just a very awkward
Speaker 1: guy who's now also on camera and getting married to
Speaker 1: a stranger.
Speaker 2: Right, of course, hopefully he'll calm down. Hopefully it'll it'll relax,
Speaker 2: but we'll see. But I don't disagree with you. Lots
Speaker 2: of red flags there all.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Back to Marissa and Adam at their wedding dinner. She
Speaker 1: is happy that they're not doing a father daughter mother
Speaker 1: son dance, of course, because they're both kind of estrange
Speaker 1: from their family in different ways. Leah gives a speech
Speaker 1: during which Adam has this like thousand yard stare that
Speaker 1: just creeped me out. He was like checked out, Yes,
Speaker 1: seemed like he didn't want to he didn't care about
Speaker 1: what her friends were saying when anybody.
Speaker 2: I think they were saying things that to him was
Speaker 2: like when when they're like yeah, and when she comes
Speaker 2: home drunk essential or something like that, and it's just like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, man, alcohols and information.
Speaker 1: And then piano plane. I think he's just like biding
Speaker 1: his time to get up there. Oh chefs kiss for
Speaker 1: this whole next scene, Oh man, he goes when he
Speaker 1: finishes that first song, and you're like, you did the thing,
Speaker 1: move on, and then he's like, just want more and
Speaker 1: you can see everybody fall Oh my god. People are
Speaker 1: cutting to people yawning, falling asleep. One friend is just
Speaker 1: laughing un control of That's the friend I want to
Speaker 1: hang out with. That's what I thought the whole time.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the person I want to be
Speaker 1: with right there. Oh my god, it's the friend I
Speaker 1: want to hang out with. For Marissa just turns like
Speaker 1: she's trying to make it okay, and she's like, that's memorization,
Speaker 1: that's talent. It's like, what about the piano plane. It's like,
Speaker 1: because the piano plane is like a robotic thing, he's
Speaker 1: not bringing soul, he's not performing.
Speaker 2: At one point, she says the greatest thing though, She says,
Speaker 2: he oh my god, he knows ow so many notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when you come down like like the worst.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing one, so like the worst thing you
Speaker 1: can hear as an actor after a play is like,
Speaker 1: how do you memorize all those live? Because it's like
Speaker 1: the easiest part of the job. But that's like the
Speaker 1: But that's when no one when they can't give you
Speaker 1: a compliment, but all they have to say something great Exactly, guy,
Speaker 1: you you really look good up there with and you
Speaker 1: sett all those lines. Yeah, he knows, so he knows
Speaker 1: so many notes he memorized it. That's talent. No talent
Speaker 1: is moving you emotionally with the piano.
Speaker 2: Come on, I would have been the guy there giggling
Speaker 2: and laughing as this man.
Speaker 1: But also his choice on the piano. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like third grade piano recital. Yes, I have
Speaker 1: to say, like, dude, play a moving song, plays its personal.
Speaker 1: You play Billy Joel and get everybody dancing exactly. You
Speaker 1: play fair Elice. You're like, I am a robot who
Speaker 1: has learned to do the thing that is impressive. And
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, everybody up there like the player piano robot.
Speaker 1: It's like, I have to be artistic to attract women.
Speaker 3: No, he's artistic when he rips the jet ski writer.
Speaker 1: He rips the jet ski artistic stay off the piano.
Speaker 1: No one cares, no one just cutting everybody, yawning and everything.
Speaker 1: It was so bad. He's laughing my ass off as
Speaker 1: I was watching that. It was is the person who
Speaker 1: should play piano because he wants to like challenge himself
Speaker 1: mentally and like somewhat physically cool. You you are not
Speaker 1: a piano player as a former, like you were not
Speaker 1: and you are not. I mean I say this, I
Speaker 1: have always, you know, been a performer obviously, like and
Speaker 1: I can't play. I taught myself piano only recently, and
Speaker 1: I'm not very good. But I just don't think the
Speaker 1: technical skill is the thing. Like the technical skill is
Speaker 1: almost the easy part. Again, I told you.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite quotes ever from mash Is is
Speaker 2: going back to mash because you know, I'm gunn Is Winchester.
Speaker 1: You know, the storyline is a guy.
Speaker 2: He so excited because he saves the guy's legs and
Speaker 2: he couldn't save part of his hand. It turns out
Speaker 2: the guy was a concert pianist and so it didn't
Speaker 2: he didn't care about his legs, And Winchester says to him,
Speaker 2: I can play the notes. I can't make the music.
Speaker 2: And that's this guy. He can play the note.
Speaker 1: You can play the notes, yeah, but he can't make
Speaker 1: the music. No, Yeah, he can on a jet ski.
Speaker 1: All right, now we meet Sean's a doctor, wants someone smart.
Speaker 1: Nikki says she's prioritized her career. Sean also prioritized his career.
Speaker 1: H He's always been a winner since grade school. He's
Speaker 1: worked at being the best. His last name is Best,
Speaker 1: get it, Sewan Best? No, he wants kids right away.
Speaker 1: So both of these, both of these guys are on
Speaker 1: the older side, which and I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that there was a couple that was like,
Speaker 2: you know, she's forty six, he's forty seven. Before we
Speaker 2: get too much deeper into that, I have a question
Speaker 2: for you. Okay, how do you feel about somebody with
Speaker 2: a doctorate referring to himself as doctor?
Speaker 1: So pissed off about it? Thank you very much, dude,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I well, I thought he was
Speaker 1: a doctor. Do you want to know why? Because he
Speaker 1: said he you'm a doctor. Yeah, dude, do you have
Speaker 1: a doctorate? No, you say you have a doctorate or
Speaker 1: you have a PhD. You don't say you're which is usually.
Speaker 2: Impressive, but you don't say I'm doctor best No, yeah, nope, no,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 1: I found it. It's misleading. It's totally misleading. Thank you.
Speaker 1: And also just like, yeah, like having a PhD is awesome,
Speaker 1: having a doctorate is awesome, very different, it's very different
Speaker 1: than saying you're a doctor. I don't think you should
Speaker 1: be introduced as Yeah.
Speaker 2: Somebody on a plane says, is there a doctor on board?
Speaker 2: Sean shouldn't raise his hand.
Speaker 1: Nope, Yeah, I agree, all right. He's he was raised
Speaker 1: religious but then discovered sex at twenty nine. He likes
Speaker 1: tall women. Uh, she says six feet, but then says
Speaker 1: she's okay with a man who's towering. In other ways,
Speaker 1: it's important because Sean is five foot six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, When when did height become such a big thing.
Speaker 1: It's always been a thing, dude, not to this extent.
Speaker 1: It always is.
Speaker 2: You think, Yeah, there's it's only been the last five
Speaker 2: years I've heard that women are like, I need someone
Speaker 2: six ft.
Speaker 1: Every study has backed this up since the dawn of Really. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you are like your inch, every inch adds to
Speaker 1: your salary. The statistically, every inch adds to your salary,
Speaker 1: your success with your partner from men, if you're a jockey,
Speaker 1: being the height is such a benefit in the breeding pool.
Speaker 1: I guess I just never heard.
Speaker 2: I never heard it being this important to women except
Speaker 2: for over like the last five years, where women are like, no,
Speaker 2: my prerequisite is they.
Speaker 1: Can't donate sperm. Really, yep, you have to be five
Speaker 1: to nine to even donate sperm. Oh, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: go donate some sperm. Really yep. That's they won't even
Speaker 1: accept it because it's so low on the priority like places,
Speaker 1: even with your brains, they won't take it because no
Speaker 1: women will check that box. They when the women are
Speaker 1: flipping through the thing how they have kids, they want
Speaker 1: somebody tall. Height is so important, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a big stumbling block here.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I agree. Well, she calls herself a sapio sexual, which
Speaker 1: I love this term. Do you know this term?
Speaker 3: Does it just means you fall in love with the person?
Speaker 1: No, it means that you find intelligence sexy.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was just kind of whoever was?
Speaker 1: No, it's like it's it's that you find somebody's The
Speaker 1: more the smarter somebody is, the more sexually attracted you are.
Speaker 3: To I know, awesome.
Speaker 1: I had heard this term only a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago for the first time. I was like, I love that.
Speaker 2: I want to find out the other one because one
Speaker 2: of the things that so attracts me to a person
Speaker 2: is talent.
Speaker 1: So I want to try and find.
Speaker 2: What that I'm somebody super talented. I always find that
Speaker 2: very attractive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too, Like you mean like Adam's piano. Yes,
Speaker 1: I see Adam, And I just want your juice is flowing.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I want them to just rip me on
Speaker 1: a jet ski all right. Then they have this interesting
Speaker 1: earning conversation where she has a floor of two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I love that, Paul points out, like you
Speaker 1: realize the average salary in America, And I love.
Speaker 2: How she's like, I've heard all the numbers, because they
Speaker 2: always do those numbers when they break down, when when
Speaker 2: people are now saying like I need somebody six feet
Speaker 2: tall who makes at least one hundred fifty thousan dollars
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 1: But it's like point zero zero.
Speaker 2: Percent of the zero one percent of the plot, right,
Speaker 2: something so unattainable that it's like you're gonna need to
Speaker 2: lower those standards, probably.
Speaker 1: But she went to two hundred from two fifty now.
Speaker 1: Is one of the reasons, though, I think, is that
Speaker 1: she says she.
Speaker 3: Makes a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a difference earned enough to like demand
Speaker 1: this in a way, is what she's saying. She's like,
Speaker 1: I expected, I've come to a place in my life
Speaker 1: where I've made a love. I do not want to
Speaker 1: just be the provider for something else.
Speaker 2: And I can I also see. I think that's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent fair. There's something to I'll say women in
Speaker 2: man this way, but it's both ways. But really with
Speaker 2: a woman, there's something to a woman who's not making
Speaker 2: any money saying I need a man to make two
Speaker 2: hundred fifty thousand dollars or I don't want to have
Speaker 2: anything to do with him. It's completely different than a
Speaker 2: woman who's like, no, I've made a lot of money,
Speaker 2: and I know how insecure men can be when I'm
Speaker 2: making a ton of money and they're not.
Speaker 1: And I know that that.
Speaker 2: Is what she says, right, and that to me, I
Speaker 2: respect that way more than just my man needs to
Speaker 2: make two hundred fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: Dollars, But I also will I will throw this in
Speaker 1: I am. Domestic labor is so much work, like being
Speaker 1: the person who takes care of the house, does the planning,
Speaker 1: if you're raising kids, raises the kids. So I think
Speaker 1: a partner saying I need I need my partner to
Speaker 1: make X amount of dollars and I will do the
Speaker 1: domestic labor. Well, that's you're getting a lot of people
Speaker 1: that aren't aren't doing the latter totally totally, especially men, honestly, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what's happened in the world right now,
Speaker 1: is that women now are expected to make also a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but statistically they're still doing all the
Speaker 1: domestic labor in the household, even when the men are
Speaker 1: earning less than them, which is bonkers, But it is
Speaker 1: a statistical fact that women are still falling into the
Speaker 1: role of needing to do the domestic labor while also
Speaker 1: oftentimes expected to earn fifty percent of the household income.
Speaker 1: So it's where are these statistics from? Look it up? Man,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Like, so it seems like the mod a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the modern women, they from
Speaker 1: the ones of the things that I've been seeing is
Speaker 1: there they want to share the domestic partnership, but they
Speaker 1: also still want the man to go out and earn
Speaker 1: all the money. And so it's like, okay, that's that
Speaker 1: might be what's expressed sure, And I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying in households where both couples are working, sure,
Speaker 1: or the women are still doing the majority of the
Speaker 1: domestic house labor, like there that that that that's that
Speaker 1: statistics is pretty consistent that like women even if they're earning,
Speaker 1: and whether and when they're not earning, they're doing a
Speaker 1: lot of the more of the domestic In both cases,
Speaker 1: women end up doing more of the domestic labor. Like
Speaker 1: that is just across the board, almost across culture. Like
Speaker 1: women bear the brunt of the household labor. And so
Speaker 1: I think for a woman to acknowledge that and say
Speaker 1: I will do this, I will do all this and
Speaker 1: that is worth a lot and more money than me
Speaker 1: and bring that home like that's an equal you know.
Speaker 1: So if there's an equality to it's kind of however
Speaker 1: you work it out. But I think what ends up
Speaker 1: happened a lot of times is people say we're going
Speaker 1: to be equal and then this is really not. You know,
Speaker 1: one person doesn't do that much either or earning wise.
Speaker 1: So I think just just clarity right up front, and
Speaker 1: clarity and lack of self delusion is the goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it always is. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we're all delusional about our America. You know, Like it
Speaker 1: seems like I can't tell if she's honestly opening open
Speaker 1: to lowering her expectations or if she wants to appear
Speaker 1: like she's open to lowering her expectations about the money,
Speaker 1: about everything when it comes. I well, I think I
Speaker 1: think she's She's very clear about the money. I wish
Speaker 1: she had been a little clearer personally so far about
Speaker 1: the hype thing. Yeah, because or the attraction, because because
Speaker 1: she's clearly not attracted, clearly not attracted, she does not
Speaker 1: consider him like on her radar. And that is too
Speaker 1: bad because I agree, because she says she's a sapio sexual.
Speaker 1: She says the quote, right now, I'm about the Greecap.
Speaker 1: I'm going to receive him as God made him. She
Speaker 1: says all that, but she I don't think she Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's it's it's too bad because she presented herself
Speaker 1: one way in the interviews and and maybe we'll maybe
Speaker 1: that'll change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where this is where I guarantee this
Speaker 2: was the relationship that made me think she's going to
Speaker 2: keep hearing trust the process.
Speaker 1: We put you together from the pros. So we see
Speaker 1: her backstage before her wedding. He gives her a journal
Speaker 1: the very sweet letter. This is her reaction is the
Speaker 1: reaction that Adam didn't give to his journal, Yeah, which is,
Speaker 1: oh my god. She just loves it. Yeah. He gives
Speaker 1: her a pendant with the date of what I did.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 1: He is just on the right track. He's thoughtful. She cries,
Speaker 1: she's so into it. And if he was just six
Speaker 1: fitch made a half a million dollars a year, they'd
Speaker 1: be fine. Well, he does make a half million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. I think it's no, I think she he
Speaker 1: makes a lot less than she does.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that really the problem?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he makes I think he makes a
Speaker 1: lot less money than she does. Oh, he runs a school,
Speaker 1: So no, I think he runs a school. I thought
Speaker 1: he's making good money.
Speaker 2: I think he I think he's in the long in
Speaker 2: the scheme of things. I think he's making good money.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's making two hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 2: year or two fifty a year.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I thought the money thing was like he
Speaker 1: actually did tick that box.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't think he ticks that box of memory, sir, o't.
Speaker 1: When do they have that reveal? I thought they did
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent?
Speaker 3: Maddie, Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: I thought they literally talk about how he's like, I
Speaker 2: work hard and I'm doing better.
Speaker 1: But I'm I don't think he's making that amount of money.
Speaker 4: I don't remember them saying his salary specifically, but I
Speaker 4: just looked it up. He works as a college VP
Speaker 4: of administration, so he's definitely making six figures, it says,
Speaker 4: but it's not giving me exactly.
Speaker 1: What I assumed. He was a doctor, like literally a medicine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so did she, which is why her face lightened up.
Speaker 1: I know, but they don't reveal that he is not
Speaker 1: a medical doctor until after they're already married. So all
Speaker 1: this pre talk, I was like, Oh good, he checks
Speaker 1: the box of earning two hundred because I figured if
Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, you make two fifty a year easily,
Speaker 1: So that was my assumption. You're right, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: So if he knocks in their administration, he could be
Speaker 1: making two hundred thousand. But maybe, oh so, and the
Speaker 1: matchmaker has really screwed the pooch on this one. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We get Michelle and Cameron at their dinner,
Speaker 1: the most awkward dancing. Yeah, we haven't got to the
Speaker 1: dance yet. This is just he gets up and his friend.
Speaker 1: He gets up and leaves her alone with the friends,
Speaker 1: and they brag about him about basketball, that he's a coach.
Speaker 1: And I immediately was like, she kind of has more
Speaker 1: chemistry with his friend. Yeah, like they were just so
Speaker 1: which maybe they were just more relaxed, you know, I
Speaker 1: get it, there's a lot of pressure either.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: No, I also think one of his friends and again
Speaker 2: I apologize to this person if I am assuming, but
Speaker 2: it seemed like.
Speaker 3: One of his friends was gay.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And she talks about her one of her favorite things
Speaker 2: to do was go with her gay friends to a
Speaker 2: gay bar. So she seems to be one of those
Speaker 2: women who's just more comfortable around gay men.
Speaker 1: Bill Surely and Mecca are at dinner. His dad gives
Speaker 1: a speech logic making it all about him, talks about
Speaker 1: how Mecca Jimmy kind of throws his son under the bus.
Speaker 1: It's like it's funny a little bit and then I
Speaker 1: think it goes a little too far. I agree, and
Speaker 1: to her credit, she starts saying, like, why are we
Speaker 1: doing my husband like this? And I was like, good,
Speaker 1: you know what, she's a little bit a little bit
Speaker 1: like just enough, like it's not like a really like
Speaker 1: a dramatic moment, but she says it. She repeats it
Speaker 1: a multiple times, and it's like, yeah, like you get
Speaker 1: like his dad's a little much, you know, and I
Speaker 1: thin get it about his personality eclipses his son, which
Speaker 1: has probably been the story of Mecca's life, which is
Speaker 1: probably why he's a little insecure about being accepted for
Speaker 1: who he is. I agree seeing him Bell Jolie's mom
Speaker 1: gives a speech about how strong she is, she's a survivor,
Speaker 1: and then I love this moment. She addresses Mecha directly
Speaker 1: and says, seeing you be a goofball but intelligent and
Speaker 1: solid is amazing. And I was like, that's cool because
Speaker 1: she wasn't just given a presant speech. She was reading
Speaker 1: him and responding to who he's presented himself at in
Speaker 1: real time. I was like, good, good for you, mom,
Speaker 1: And I hope that I hope that bel Jolie is
Speaker 1: feeling the same way, because I like both of them,
Speaker 1: and I think they're attracted to each other. I hope,
Speaker 1: so they seem to be. They seem to be attracted
Speaker 1: to each other. I don't know if they're how much
Speaker 1: they are attried to each other and how much they
Speaker 1: just like look good together, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They look like a TV couple, You look like a
Speaker 1: good like version. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're both good looking people, so I imagine they see
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 1: And they're also kind of a tight They both kind
Speaker 1: of have this like artsy, interesting vibe. They're both thin,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, there's something about the two of them.
Speaker 1: You're like they would go well together, like the cast together. Yes, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: And we get to Felippe and Tory dancing. The mother
Speaker 1: son dances this mother and son speaking Portuguese, which is
Speaker 1: just a lovely conversation. His whole biggest fear is that
Speaker 1: his family was not going to get along with his wife,
Speaker 1: but he says those fears have been blown away. Get
Speaker 1: to see everybody dancing. Then we get Courtney and Nick
Speaker 1: at dinner. Friends ask about RuPaul's drag race, which her
Speaker 1: friends think is about cars. She's like, I love cars,
Speaker 1: I love where. She starts to get curious about why
Speaker 1: he wants to do this again? Why is he on
Speaker 1: another reality show? Good question, fair, and we see Sean
Speaker 1: and Nicky getting ready. Sean talks about having a dream,
Speaker 1: he had a dream about getting married and he's going
Speaker 1: through with it. He comes out, he's very personality and
Speaker 1: let's make some noise. He immediately introduces himself to the family,
Speaker 1: the mother in law, which is to your point about
Speaker 1: finally it's like one or two people have done that
Speaker 1: the entire show, and then she comes down the aisle
Speaker 1: and they don't really say anything brutal. So what was
Speaker 1: going on in this moment for you? Because my interpretation
Speaker 1: is that she doesn't realize that he's the groom. It
Speaker 1: kind of came off like that shit and it says,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to stand here and wait for my groom.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Do you think she was kidding? I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I think she literally did not recognize that he was
Speaker 1: the group man because I think his jacket was a
Speaker 1: color like it's like a different color brown, it's like
Speaker 1: a brow. So I think she assumed that he was
Speaker 1: one of the groom's men waiting up there, or maybe
Speaker 1: even part of the offician. I think she literally did
Speaker 1: not see him because he was not enough of a
Speaker 1: presence in her life. I thought that was a joke,
Speaker 1: but I think probably, I think I think she covered it.
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll get into it, because we'll we
Speaker 1: get into the next episode. But the way this episode ended,
Speaker 1: my heart was pounding because I thought it was so awkward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well we'll leave it there. We'll leave it
Speaker 1: there in July next episode. Because it was incredibly awkward.
Speaker 1: I was super uncomfortable. Yeah, I was too, But I
Speaker 1: think my discomfort indicates that I'm invested in this show.
Speaker 1: You are. It's great.
Speaker 2: Speaking of invested, Yea, we have our wonderful segment, What
Speaker 2: an arrangement, Hey, Angela. Today we're of course talking about
Speaker 2: the most famous arranged couples, arranged marriages from history, and
Speaker 2: today we have Mary Tudor's marriage to Louis the twelfth
Speaker 2: and as part of the peace Treaty, Henry the eighth
Speaker 2: used his sister Mary Tudor as a bargaining chip with
Speaker 2: France King Louis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, just passing off there it gets but.
Speaker 3: She was smart with this until it almost killed her.
Speaker 2: King Louis the twelfth pushed for the marriage to the
Speaker 2: then eighteen year old, who was obviously very resistant to
Speaker 2: the whole arrangement. Henry was able to convince Mary to
Speaker 2: wed Louis under a certain condition. Mary had this put
Speaker 2: in if her partner died and she became a widow,
Speaker 2: she would be able.
Speaker 3: To find her next husband and Mary for love.
Speaker 2: Mary and Louie's marriage lasted for three months when the
Speaker 2: king died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Mary then turned around and chose Henry's
Speaker 1: best friend, Charles Charles Brandon was his name, against Henry's wishes,
Speaker 1: married him in secret. When Henry found out, he threw
Speaker 1: his best friend in prison and almost exiled his wife.
Speaker 2: Oh my, Luckily, after much bargaining back and forth, he
Speaker 2: allowed the two of them to remain married. But it
Speaker 2: was a big deal, Henny, this is Henry the eighth.
Speaker 2: Because the deal was Mary Tudor said, I will go
Speaker 2: and marry him, but I get to marry for love.
Speaker 3: It only lasted three months without asking.
Speaker 1: He was dizzy.
Speaker 3: It was they were, you know, like the thirteen hundred.
Speaker 1: He got a cough exactly he stepped he got a
Speaker 1: splinter and he was dead. So yeah, so she ended
Speaker 1: up worth taking. Like people died so quickly, so easily.
Speaker 1: But it was like, hey, if he dies, she was
Speaker 1: a fine.
Speaker 2: Fine, I get to go. But then he instantly wanted
Speaker 2: she was. I mean, this is Henry the Eighth's, you know,
Speaker 2: beautiful sister. So talk about a bargaining ship. So he
Speaker 2: was instantly going to go marry her off, I think
Speaker 2: to somebody from Germany or something to to.
Speaker 3: You know, he was going to marry off again.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I married his best friend in private,
Speaker 1: and he almost oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totals comeback. You know that when he died, his
Speaker 2: body was so disgusting and bloated. First of all, he
Speaker 2: was so ulcerated and disgusting they could smell him from
Speaker 2: three rooms away. And when he did finally die, he
Speaker 2: was his body was so gross that like a week
Speaker 2: after he died, his body exploded in.
Speaker 1: The crypt Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Literally disgusting man, rotten to the core.
Speaker 1: Yep. Even listening to Pop meets Twirl, the vows have
Speaker 1: been spoken, the experts have weighed in, and our completely
Speaker 1: offhand conversation has now become a season long commitment. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next time. Trap you're smoking. So many penguins,
Speaker 1: so many penguins,