Speaker 1: Okay, So the Martha Stewart Netflix documentary is out and
Speaker 1: I've seen people talking about it and I hadn't watched
Speaker 1: it yet, and it's so weird, like I forget all
Speaker 1: the stories I have. I honestly do people always hear
Speaker 1: me tell these throwaway stories. I'll focus on the most
Speaker 1: stupid thing, like a chicken salad sandwich for hours, and
Speaker 1: then I'll just throw away a story that my friends
Speaker 1: and colleagues or business people will be like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about that hat? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Why don't you write a book like what you's talking about?
Speaker 1: Like it'll be something, and it could be about j Lo,
Speaker 1: about Ellen, about Cia, about anybody, about Brett Ratner, Jerry Bruckheimer,
Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton being Paris and Nicki's nanny, like all these
Speaker 1: fucking crazy stories. And so I'm thinking, like Martha Stewart.
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about Martha Stewart right now. I have twenty
Speaker 1: stories about Martha Stewart, Like how am I not talking
Speaker 1: about Martha Stewart. So basically, I just on TikTok was
Speaker 1: like telling little anecdotal stories about Martha Stewart, and people
Speaker 1: were like riveted, like oh, my God, give me the
Speaker 1: next part. So I'm gonna give you all of it
Speaker 1: in a little more here, because I guess people find
Speaker 1: it interesting to hear about Martha Stewart from my perspective,
Speaker 1: So let's go. Okay. So I am at a dinner
Speaker 1: with a group of people when I'm broke living in
Speaker 1: a studio apartment in Manhattan. There used to be a
Speaker 1: place called Dossilvano, which was an Italian restaurant where a
Speaker 1: lot of fashion people used to go. It's on Sixth
Speaker 1: Avenue near Bar Pity, and it was a thing, and
Speaker 1: especially during fashion we could be crowded and the food
Speaker 1: was good. It just was a vibe. One of those
Speaker 1: things where like the owner is drunk all the time.
Speaker 1: He actually shares my birthday, which is interesting, which is today.
Speaker 1: So Silvana's birthday is November fourth. I remember. I think
Speaker 1: it was him or was it his wife? No, I
Speaker 1: think it was him, And he would come out at
Speaker 1: the table and make everyone feel special while he clipped
Speaker 1: them with whatever bottle of wine he was selling them,
Speaker 1: or food or whatever. And basically it was good Italian food,
Speaker 1: but it was a vibe. So I was there with
Speaker 1: a group of people These were the dinners that I
Speaker 1: would always pray that, like it wasn't gonna be an
Speaker 1: even bill, like because I wouldn't eat that much because
Speaker 1: I was scared to eat that much because I don't
Speaker 1: have to pay that much. But then somebody else would
Speaker 1: be ordering all this shit, and like we'd have to
Speaker 1: split it. You'd hope someone else was paying it, some
Speaker 1: guy was picking up the bill. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: fully broke, like I really didn't have any money. I
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to be going to these dinners, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to meet someone and wanted to date, and it
Speaker 1: was sort of like what you were doing. And I
Speaker 1: had some nice clothes and nice things from exes and
Speaker 1: from you know, presents and stuff. So I was always
Speaker 1: sort of just like a sort of grifting, hustling, piecing
Speaker 1: it together, selling things like just finataling. So I think
Speaker 1: at this time I was a natural food chef. I
Speaker 1: had gone to culinary school. I was out of a
Speaker 1: relationship and engagement when I lived in Chicago, and I
Speaker 1: was living in New York City. And at this dinner,
Speaker 1: this group, and I believe Lizzie Grubbin was there, was
Speaker 1: friends with this group, but I believe Lizzie Grubman was there.
Speaker 1: She her dad is Alan Grubman. Incidentally, he's Martha Stewart's lawyer.
Speaker 1: He's a big entertainment lawyer, like all like Madonna, I think,
Speaker 1: and Bruce Springsteen and like all the bigs. And I
Speaker 1: ended up being represented by them later, Grubman and Dursky
Speaker 1: and Shire. But his daughter, Lizzie backed into a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in a Mercedes SUV in the Hampton's and
Speaker 1: like heard a bunch of them and it was in
Speaker 1: the post every day. It was lawsuits. It was at
Speaker 1: a place called Conscious Point. It was a disaster, but
Speaker 1: it kind of put her on the map. But she
Speaker 1: was back then a big deal in pr like a
Speaker 1: total like you know, New York City powerhouse, NEPO baby
Speaker 1: and went to bu And so we were at a
Speaker 1: dinner with her and her friend Lance, and they were
Speaker 1: talking about this TV show that was on and it
Speaker 1: was Donald Trump. I barely knew who Donald Trump was,
Speaker 1: like of course I'd heard the name, but like it
Speaker 1: was Donald Trump and all these people and they were
Speaker 1: doing these tasks where they were selling lemonade. Was the
Speaker 1: one that I remember hearing and in my mind I
Speaker 1: was always good at a scavenger hunt, and like, always
Speaker 1: good at that sort of like hustle, and so I
Speaker 1: thought to myself, that sounds like something i'd be good at.
Speaker 1: I want to be on that show. And I always
Speaker 1: did want to be an actress. I went to LA
Speaker 1: to act I wasn't I don't think I was good
Speaker 1: at it. I was more importantly not good at hustling
Speaker 1: for it, like asking people for things, like saying out
Speaker 1: loud that I was an actress. I used to say,
Speaker 1: I wish I could just be myself and something. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was hosting. But it's not really hosting,
Speaker 1: because hosting is like looking up at a script. It's
Speaker 1: more scripted than than that. It's just as scripted as scripted,
Speaker 1: and people being a host is almost as scripted as
Speaker 1: scripted because you're sort of tethered to like talking points.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't find my way in. And when someone
Speaker 1: mentioned the show, I was like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: want to be on that show. So this guy Lance,
Speaker 1: who was friends with Lizzie, he was like a little pompous.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy, but he's always thought, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a hot stepper, and he became very successful in
Speaker 1: real estate. And he says to me something like that,
Speaker 1: I would never get on that show. And he said
Speaker 1: he'd get on that show. And he kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, dare me not to do something, and he
Speaker 1: kind of said like, you won't get on that show.
Speaker 1: And I looked at him and I said these words,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget it. I said, you mark my words,
Speaker 1: I'll get on that show. So there was we took
Speaker 1: these guys had like a limo or something, and we
Speaker 1: were in a limo going somewhere, probably to a club.
Speaker 1: And whoever the other guy in the car was, I
Speaker 1: don't remember, might have been my friend Scott, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But later on that person reminded me or said to me,
Speaker 1: they're casting for that show. Now you could send in
Speaker 1: a video like for the next season, for the season
Speaker 1: two of The Apprentice, which incidentally wasn't a success. Was
Speaker 1: it two or was it three? I think it. I
Speaker 1: think it might have been three, Like the by the
Speaker 1: time it got around to me they were going to
Speaker 1: cast three, I don't remember, So I send in a tape.
Speaker 1: I was with my partner at a trade show selling wheat,
Speaker 1: egg and dairy free cookies. And I was with my
Speaker 1: partner and I said to him, can you go buy
Speaker 1: like a cheap small video camera. It wasn't now where
Speaker 1: people had smartphones and phones video. This is the dark ages,
Speaker 1: this is dian Era. And he had to go to
Speaker 1: like let's say, like PC Richards or something or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't even know if they had There
Speaker 1: was another place like best Buy, but like go there
Speaker 1: and buy the smallest I think it was a Panasonic
Speaker 1: video camera. I didn't know how to use it. I
Speaker 1: just said, record me selling cookies. Because to me at
Speaker 1: that point, this was a business show. Little did I
Speaker 1: know that this was an entertainment show, just like Shark Tank.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a real business show. So
Speaker 1: I was intimidated. I wanted to show them how good
Speaker 1: a business I was. So we send in a tape
Speaker 1: and I get a call. So I get a call
Speaker 1: to go to the Trump I think it was called
Speaker 1: like the Trump International. It was up by Lincoln Center.
Speaker 1: It was a Trump hotel by like Columbus Circle. And
Speaker 1: I go there and I charge up on my credit card,
Speaker 1: a Bloomingdale's outfit again, like people didn't buy online there.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the Dark Ages. You went
Speaker 1: into Bloomingdale. So you went into Bloomingdale's and I charged
Speaker 1: a miss Skino red skirt that I had like a
Speaker 1: little like like a twirl to it, like a little
Speaker 1: flip to it, and a red heart Mesquino jacket and
Speaker 1: Mosquino shoes that had an open toe. And I charge
Speaker 1: this all because I was going and I was gonna
Speaker 1: get this. So I get there and I'm so serious
Speaker 1: about like I'm meticulous and I'm a hard worker, and
Speaker 1: like I'm all about that. Now at the time, Trump
Speaker 1: was saying thousands and thousands of applications had been received,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like, you gotta be in it
Speaker 1: to win it if I don't send it in. And
Speaker 1: I'm not one who would send my thing into something
Speaker 1: because I don't even know how to record myself. This
Speaker 1: was like the tech of it is what would be intimidating.
Speaker 1: But lo and behold, it's thousands and thousands of applications.
Speaker 1: Now I get down to the Trump International Hotel and
Speaker 1: now they're gonna fly me to La to be sequestered
Speaker 1: for a week. So you're at the Double Tree Hotel. Incidentally,
Speaker 1: the Double Tree Hotel is the best cookies. I blew
Speaker 1: up like a tick this week. So you go to
Speaker 1: the DoubleTree Hotel and you are in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: a normal hotel room, for one week. What I realized
Speaker 1: was not everyone's there for a week, because some people
Speaker 1: get like disqualified and are sent home after a day
Speaker 1: two days. So if you've made it the whole week,
Speaker 1: you're kind of gonna make it on the show. And
Speaker 1: you're only allowed to leave your room for like fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty minutes for breakfast, for lunch, and for dinner,
Speaker 1: and they will have you leave for like an IQ test,
Speaker 1: a psychological test. You are not allowed to look at
Speaker 1: anyone else, you are not allowed to talk to anyone else.
Speaker 1: You eat by yourself, you go back to your room.
Speaker 1: It is extremely depressing. Now I think I might have
Speaker 1: gone down to the gym to work out. You're only
Speaker 1: allowed to go for half hour and that's it. You
Speaker 1: can't walk outside. You are stuck in your room. I
Speaker 1: was broke. I wanted the job. I was desperate. I
Speaker 1: needed this thing. I was scared money never wins. And
Speaker 1: I would play that song every time by Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: and there was also a Jessica Simpson song. And I
Speaker 1: like wanted it, and I would pray for it, and
Speaker 1: I begged for it, and I would count. I was
Speaker 1: already like playing the game, thinking some of these people
Speaker 1: would be with me on the show if they make it,
Speaker 1: So start like clocking people, like, start playing the game
Speaker 1: now in your mind. So by the end of the
Speaker 1: week there was there were only I was trying to
Speaker 1: count because they did it in like phases. You could
Speaker 1: see certain people at breakfast, certain people at lunch. They
Speaker 1: mixed it up. It wasn't the same people. So I
Speaker 1: started like counting how many people were still there. I
Speaker 1: saw that guy. That guy's not here anymore. Where's that girl?
Speaker 1: So finally I was like, wait, there's only like eighteen
Speaker 1: people left, and the show had sixteen contestants on. So
Speaker 1: the last day, I think it was Scott Sallier's, the
Speaker 1: casting guy comes to my room with another guy and says, sorry,
Speaker 1: you did great. You're the first alternate. So I was
Speaker 1: correct that everyone had been sent home and we were like,
Speaker 1: I think nineteen people because on this season they decided
Speaker 1: two more people. So I was the first alternate, but
Speaker 1: no one ended up backing out and I didn't make it,
Speaker 1: which was gutting, Like it was just like you went
Speaker 1: so far, you sent the thing, you were art, the thing,
Speaker 1: you had, the debate, you recorded, the thing, you get called,
Speaker 1: you send the thing in you then you know, go
Speaker 1: to the sequestering for a week, You do all this
Speaker 1: shit and then you have to go back home. And
Speaker 1: I remember it was the Kentucky Derby right after. So
Speaker 1: I went. I partied with some people. I had fun,
Speaker 1: but I was depressed. I was miserable. But my motto
Speaker 1: was just like always brush yourself off, pick yourself up,
Speaker 1: be happy. It's meant to be. I had my wheat
Speaker 1: egg and dairy free Bethany Bakes Cookie Company, so that
Speaker 1: was sort of bombing. I sort of stuck to that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to extricate myself from that. I
Speaker 1: felt like I would be a failure if I did.
Speaker 1: I just was like sort of a I had nothing
Speaker 1: really going, so I was. I guess I always was
Speaker 1: in tune to knowing that you keep in touch with
Speaker 1: people and like it seems so intimidating, like how am
Speaker 1: I going to get in? But they're just casting people
Speaker 1: now knowing casting people now knowing producers. They're just people
Speaker 1: like you think they're in some big like oz behind
Speaker 1: the curtain, you know, wizard tent. They're not, They're just people.
Speaker 1: So I would keep in touch with these people and
Speaker 1: months later, like I just am desperate. I just want
Speaker 1: to talk to them. I want to know, like it's
Speaker 1: just not I don't know. I'm just like desperate. So
Speaker 1: months later they call me and they say, okay, Bethany,
Speaker 1: you're up. We're doing the Martha Stewart Apprentice. Because I
Speaker 1: had a wheat egg and dairy free cookie company. I
Speaker 1: had had a passion me in a company, I wanted
Speaker 1: to democratize health like Martha democratized style. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is it. So I go back to that same dreadful,
Speaker 1: torturous week, which was misery. It's like think Jerry Duty
Speaker 1: times ten. It's just like very depressing and very like
Speaker 1: weird and it's just not good. It's like being in
Speaker 1: a trailer. When you work on a movie, you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like you think you're gonna do all these
Speaker 1: interesting things. You don't do any of them. You just
Speaker 1: lay there and like watch TV and like try it.
Speaker 1: It's like being like you're trying to make the hours
Speaker 1: go by, like you're in some sort of luxury prison.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, which is interesting because that gives me
Speaker 1: an indication to Martha's time in jail, which had to
Speaker 1: be extremely depressing, and watching the documentary you see that
Speaker 1: it was very depressing. But she never let anybody see
Speaker 1: her sweat and she does an emote. So I go
Speaker 1: back for the week, I get sequestered, I go through
Speaker 1: the same thing, and towards the end this time, I
Speaker 1: get to meet Mark Burnett and he's wearing these like
Speaker 1: ed hardy jeans and he's in this group thing where
Speaker 1: you're like simulating people talking to each other and debating
Speaker 1: with each other, and he says, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that ever hit television. He said, I
Speaker 1: think I said on TikTok forty two million. He said
Speaker 1: forty maybe forty to forty two million. He's like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna get forty million viewers. That's what he said, okay. Incidentally,
Speaker 1: it ended up getting eleven million viewers, which was a failure.
Speaker 1: Eleven million viewers today would be a success. There's just
Speaker 1: so much more content and the metrics aren't the same,
Speaker 1: and the streaming and the recording and DVR it's just
Speaker 1: a different game. But it ended up being a failure.
Speaker 1: I think that probably the normal apprentice was probably twenty
Speaker 1: five million or something. It was a lot. So this
Speaker 1: was He thought this was gonna be the biggest deal
Speaker 1: because Martha Stewart was away in jail. She's getting out
Speaker 1: of jail. He's producing a daytime talk show with her
Speaker 1: end this, which, by the way, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I didn't understand two announcements at the
Speaker 1: same time. We're gonna do this and we're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: It's just like when Bravo announced we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: new Real Housewives in New York cast and also we're
Speaker 1: doing like an all start at Real Housewives in New
Speaker 1: York or a vintage or side. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just see. It's like it's twenty five pounds of shit
Speaker 1: in a five pound bag. Say one thing. Well, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I do remember I've always had a marketing mind. I
Speaker 1: thought it was weird. So he says it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the biggest thing ever. And there's a girl in the room,
Speaker 1: and I guess we're down to it, and he says,
Speaker 1: why should you be here and why should she not,
Speaker 1: and I said, because I had now realized that this
Speaker 1: is not just a business show. The time before, I
Speaker 1: was too stiff, I was too obsessed with business. Or
Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't. I mean, I can't went all the way.
Speaker 1: But this time I was more free, I was more
Speaker 1: entertaining and more myself. I go, I go, why should
Speaker 1: I be here or not her? Because she had the
Speaker 1: balls to wear a fake Mark Jacob's bag to this interview.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why I made it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but I know that I make it.
Speaker 1: I make it. They tell me this is a very
Speaker 1: thick contract. Don't bother debating it, don't bother disputing it.
Speaker 1: Just sign it. Mark Burnett is a person that if
Speaker 1: you sue him and you have any problem with any
Speaker 1: of this, it doesn't fucking matter. He will keep you
Speaker 1: in court and he won't back down. So I was like,
Speaker 1: sign the dieline. We are off to the races. We
Speaker 1: are going to be on the Martha Stewart Apprentice. The
Speaker 1: biggest thing that ever happened to me in my entire life.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it was happening to me. I was
Speaker 1: so prepared and you know, just I was obsessed. I
Speaker 1: wanted it so bad. I was like, let's get wax,
Speaker 1: let's get sleeping pills, let's get prepared, let's you know,
Speaker 1: like just obsessed. Okay, So I live in New York City,
Speaker 1: so that's easy for me. And apparently, so the first
Speaker 1: day we go, we're waiting on the street for hours,
Speaker 1: lining up to film like our entrances and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about television. This did prepare me
Speaker 1: for reality television later, although the reality television that I
Speaker 1: would embark on later was so much more shoddy. And
Speaker 1: I will say this about Mark Burnett. He runs a
Speaker 1: military operation. It was like clockwork. It was insane, and
Speaker 1: there's no breaking rules. So we're on the street waiting
Speaker 1: to go in. You can't talk to anybody. I remember.
Speaker 1: We get up into this building where they had built
Speaker 1: us aloft. I think it's called the ster at Lehigh Building,
Speaker 1: and Martha Stewart, living on Nimdia, was in the front
Speaker 1: of the building and our loft was in the back.
Speaker 1: But we didn't know that. We never knew where we
Speaker 1: were walking, where we were going, where we were You
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to go out on the street. This wasn't
Speaker 1: like the celebrity Apprentice, where you could sort of have
Speaker 1: your own phone sometimes or call family sometimes. This was
Speaker 1: complete sequestering for weeks. And they tell you that when
Speaker 1: you get fired, you won't go home. You go to
Speaker 1: what they call the Ponderosa, which is a place. Again
Speaker 1: we didn't know where this was either, but it was
Speaker 1: an apartment somewhere in some like rental like oak Wood
Speaker 1: type apartment place. And you go there and they say
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a therapist there. And the therapist
Speaker 1: says like, I'll be the one that you'll come meet
Speaker 1: with when you come there. And I said to her,
Speaker 1: don't you worry, I'll never be coming there. I was
Speaker 1: a fucking animal. Then I was raised from the betting
Speaker 1: windows of Aqueduct Racetrack like animal raised at nightclubs, like
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm not fucking coming back here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kill everybody. I'll figure it out. So we are on
Speaker 1: the street waiting to get up in the cars, and
Speaker 1: then we go upstairs and I remember like I looked
Speaker 1: into the camera like like almost like Dorothy from the
Speaker 1: Wizard of Alice in Wonderland, going down the hole like
Speaker 1: saw like spirals like saw like the light. They were like,
Speaker 1: don't look into the camera, Like I was gonna learn
Speaker 1: everything I would need to know about reality television from
Speaker 1: the most strict like Harvard University, to then later go
Speaker 1: to some community college of reality television where you can
Speaker 1: be shoddy, you can be friends with a producer, you
Speaker 1: can fuck a producer, you could marry a producer. This
Speaker 1: is not was not like that, except for Alexis Stewart,
Speaker 1: who did have a relationship with a camera guy, but
Speaker 1: that would not happen for any of us. So we're
Speaker 1: up in Martha's offices too, like on the line coming in,
Speaker 1: like you're sort of in some hybrid Martha's offices where
Speaker 1: we're gonna live in this loft, like a badass building
Speaker 1: on this building, like cars can park. They come in
Speaker 1: elevators and like go up in the building car elevators
Speaker 1: to go to parking structures. Like it's wild. So now
Speaker 1: we are in this building and there's a hold up,
Speaker 1: like there had been a long time to shoot. Everyone's arrival,
Speaker 1: everyone's entrance, everyone's car ride, everyone's I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about it. You're just like, why is this taking so
Speaker 1: long you don't realize how detailed this is. So now
Speaker 1: we're about to shoot the first scene where we're gonna
Speaker 1: meet Martha and the two people to her left and right,
Speaker 1: and there's a hold up, like there's a drama. There's
Speaker 1: like a hubbub, but like there's something going on, like
Speaker 1: there's something that's more than what we've been experiencing. That's
Speaker 1: going on. There's some version of a drama. And here's
Speaker 1: the loophole. Someone probably got fired because somebody cast me
Speaker 1: and never had Alexis or Charles her chairman of Martha
Speaker 1: Stewart living on the media, Charles Kopple, he's the guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna sit next to him in the boardroom, the
Speaker 1: way Trump had a woman that worked for him and
Speaker 1: a lawyer, like two people and later I think probably Avanka.
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be two people next to her. She's
Speaker 1: they're mimicking the model of Trump, and next to her
Speaker 1: is going to be Charles Kopphaman her chairman and good
Speaker 1: friend new good friend like new ish good friend, and
Speaker 1: Alexis her daughter. So they never thought to vet did
Speaker 1: these people have any conflicts of interest with us? So
Speaker 1: now we're going to walk in, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I find out right before or I don't know
Speaker 1: if I find out when I get in. And if
Speaker 1: they had not done this last minute, they would have
Speaker 1: probably not Probably they would have not cast me on
Speaker 1: the show. They would have let me go. This would
Speaker 1: have been a disaster, This would have changed the course
Speaker 1: of my life. We go in and Charles Kopplman is
Speaker 1: the guide to her right, the chairman of Martha Stewart
Speaker 1: Living Omnimdia. What neither Mark Burnett, nor the producers, nor
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart nor any of my castmates know is that
Speaker 1: I was in a relationship with Charles Koplelman's son. I've
Speaker 1: been on vacation with Charles Koplelman and Brian and his son,
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Copplelman, his daughter, who I lived with in
Speaker 1: Paris and went to the South of France with like
Speaker 1: I know them. Brian incidentally produced and wrote Billions, the
Speaker 1: show based on loosely my friend Steve Cohen and Alex
Speaker 1: his wife, and Brian wrote the movie Rounders, And I
Speaker 1: used to date him. And here we are, I'm walking in.
Speaker 1: I ready have to fucking be the center of attention.
Speaker 1: And divert and create drama and like have a spotlight
Speaker 1: on me when frankly, the stakes are too high. I
Speaker 1: need to win this and I need to get this
Speaker 1: goddamn job. I don't need to fucking be the center
Speaker 1: of attention before you've even started putting me on her radar? Like,
Speaker 1: why does she know Charles Koperlman? Why did she date
Speaker 1: Brian Koppleman. Her daughter Alexis has a radio show with
Speaker 1: Jennifer Koppleman, or eventually does who I lived with. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't need extra heat and light on me.
Speaker 1: I need to be a regular person that's competing. I
Speaker 1: don't want to have special attention, and I just don't
Speaker 1: want to be the fucking rich kid coming into this
Speaker 1: experience who needs this job. It's just gonna not hit right.
Speaker 1: So I walk in and Charles is like, Bethany and
Speaker 1: I know each other, and yes we are, And like
Speaker 1: now I already am starting going up a hill because
Speaker 1: everybody else is already thinking I already am self conscious,
Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna think I have a leg up and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get special treatment, and I'm like, I can
Speaker 1: never win this thing. Start off with a stain, knowing
Speaker 1: I can never win this thing. So that's how we start.
Speaker 1: Now we get into the loft, we get into our space.
Speaker 1: There are no really walls or ceilings. They have the
Speaker 1: camera and microphone on you when you pee, in case
Speaker 1: you're talking about things or talking about other people. You
Speaker 1: have to sleep with an eyemask on because it's a
Speaker 1: New York City full window building, so light is blazing
Speaker 1: through the windows while you're trying to sleep in a
Speaker 1: no wall, no ceiling space. It is designed to be
Speaker 1: a nightmare. It is designed to keep you awake. It's
Speaker 1: a sleep deprivation experiment. You are activated, you are heightened,
Speaker 1: you are desperate. It is a nightmare. You can't think
Speaker 1: of the name of the restaurant with the golden arches.
Speaker 1: You have a camera on you. Everything you say is
Speaker 1: being recorded. I'm not used to this, like I am now,
Speaker 1: I'm not a professional. No one is. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just scary. It's just like daunting and you're trying to
Speaker 1: like get your footing while you're trying to be creative.
Speaker 1: And I was rough in the beginning, like I just
Speaker 1: couldn't get for the first test, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose. I'm gonna be sent home first, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die. I'm gonna be so embarrassed, like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: One guy Chuck like basically had a nurse breakdown on
Speaker 1: the first or second task, like it was. It was
Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart, honestly. And it's also
Speaker 1: kind of look at the draw who goes first, et cetera,
Speaker 1: Like it might be who's not good TV. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're not a good or smart person. It's a
Speaker 1: thousand things. It's an entertainment vehicle. No one's going to
Speaker 1: dispute the fact that I'm entertaining. So we go in,
Speaker 1: we do the first task, We're all connecting. What's interesting
Speaker 1: from a human behavior standpoint is how much people All
Speaker 1: these people got that thick contract. All these people sat
Speaker 1: in that hotel room for a week. All these people applied,
Speaker 1: had to go through many hoops and jaunt and gauntlets
Speaker 1: and you know, try to get this thing. But immediately
Speaker 1: everyone thinks it's gonna be the biggest show in the world,
Speaker 1: and everyone's talking about how much money they're going to
Speaker 1: make off of us, and talking about our leverage. And
Speaker 1: I'm flabbergasted. Because I who's broke, has no family, no
Speaker 1: safety in it. I need this. I'm desperate, I am scared.
Speaker 1: Money never wins. I can't believe how lucky I am.
Speaker 1: We're doing it for basically next to nothing, and I
Speaker 1: would have paid them to do it, Like I can't
Speaker 1: even believe I'm here. I never have that thought, and
Speaker 1: I never really had that thought for years later with Housewives,
Speaker 1: like until I really was a real hot, valuable commodity
Speaker 1: that would leave for three seasons and the ratings would
Speaker 1: spike from three point two to one point six million,
Speaker 1: and then I'd come back and they would like it
Speaker 1: was unavoidable to know my value. So not until all
Speaker 1: of that that I finally understand this concept. But it
Speaker 1: was wild to see everyone counting their money and counting
Speaker 1: their you know, chickens before they hatch, and like immediately
Speaker 1: going to the place of like they're gonna make so
Speaker 1: much money off of us. And I did think it
Speaker 1: was a mistake, like fucking create good content, let it
Speaker 1: do well, then will worry later. Nobody knows anything. And
Speaker 1: before I came, I teed up Bethany bakes and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing and I'm gonna sell so
Speaker 1: many cookies. I'm gonna be Tory Birch on Oprah. She
Speaker 1: sold millions of caf Hans. I've got all my partners.
Speaker 1: I'm selling this into partners, bakers, like I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: on the show. Like I imagine what people must tell people now,
Speaker 1: making them think it's gonna be the biggest thing, and
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest thing. Nothing is really the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fool's gold. Even Housewives, you could say
Speaker 1: whatever you want. You know, I'm going to do another
Speaker 1: series on Jennifer Lopez, and I say this with respect.
Speaker 1: She has two hundred and seventy million followers, and her
Speaker 1: skincare and her body glow and her products haven't hit
Speaker 1: just because you have two hundred and seventy six million followers.
Speaker 1: Beyonce had Jeans, Darian Jean's there, they were gone. It
Speaker 1: is not It's not the same thing to have an
Speaker 1: audience and then to sell them a product. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a very different thing. The Kardashians have had more failures
Speaker 1: than successes. They're billionaires and they've hit it because they've
Speaker 1: gone and kept at it, and they're relentless but the
Speaker 1: notion and thought that the Kardashians or Jalo or Beyonce
Speaker 1: would have anything not fucking pop off is insane to
Speaker 1: me because I have like three percent of their audience.
Speaker 1: But lo and behold, they've all Jennifer has not had
Speaker 1: a product brand hit, and really Beyonce for the most
Speaker 1: part hasn't. They've made millions and millions and tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars on their music and albums. I'm just note,
Speaker 1: I'm just observing something. So you can't be on the
Speaker 1: Housewives or The Apprentice or some shit show and think
Speaker 1: this fool's gold. You know, this is the golden goose.
Speaker 1: It's gonna lay eggs. It takes a lot to be
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. It takes a lot to move a product.
Speaker 1: It says a lot about my audience and the connection
Speaker 1: that I have that I have significantly fewer followers, but
Speaker 1: I can move product like nobody else because love me
Speaker 1: or hate me, people believe me. So for whatever that's
Speaker 1: worth you, these people are all, you know, thinking how
Speaker 1: big they're gonna be, and I'm thinking my cookies are
Speaker 1: gonna be the cats me out. Okay, not the case.
Speaker 1: So we're shooting the show. And also I'm staying healthy.
Speaker 1: I'm a natural food chef. I'm presenting as such. I'm
Speaker 1: making my brown rice breakfast that's in my book, naturally thin.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be hydrated. I'm trying to eat well.
Speaker 1: Everyone's eating crap and garbage. The apartment is a tenement.
Speaker 1: It looks disgusting. Everybody's filthy. I'm trying to be neat,
Speaker 1: Like you're getting edgy about things that don't matter. And
Speaker 1: the game has begun. I make a friend Marcella. I
Speaker 1: like her a lot. I become friends with this guy Chuck,
Speaker 1: who goes home early. It gets, you know, dicey, and
Speaker 1: you're making friends making enemies. This guy Jim I became
Speaker 1: friends with. He was hilarious, but he was the most
Speaker 1: irritating of everybody. But I found him so amusing. He
Speaker 1: was like the guys that I was friends with in
Speaker 1: eighth grade, like the bad boys. Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting experience. You're like in a fish bowl
Speaker 1: with all these people. So the tasks start and I'm
Speaker 1: like flailing a little in the beginning, but I do
Speaker 1: hit my stride pretty quick. I kick in, I hit
Speaker 1: my stride. We are off and running. So when I
Speaker 1: come back, because this is a lot to remember, it's
Speaker 1: like frying my brain. I'm going to get into how
Speaker 1: Martha clocks something in my closet, How I get to
Speaker 1: go to two of her homes and I start to
Speaker 1: kick in as the one to beat in this competition.
Speaker 1: It starts to get real, and I'm a horse that
Speaker 1: comes from behind. I'm a horse that when it's a
Speaker 1: far turn, that's when I really fucking pick up. So
Speaker 1: you got It's it's like anything else, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a marathon, not a sprint. This thing starts to
Speaker 1: get real. I'm not sure I think I've met I
Speaker 1: get I get to meet Martha after the first task,
Speaker 1: which we don't win. That's the time when I think
Speaker 1: I said something like I want to cry, and she
Speaker 1: goes really cry and you're out of here. We don't
Speaker 1: women in business don't cry, or something like that. We
Speaker 1: don't women in business don't cry. She also says to
Speaker 1: this woman Sean Killinger, who went on to work on QVC,
Speaker 1: we don't fake it till we make it. Here at
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart Living Omni Media, which is bullshit. One hundred
Speaker 1: percent fake. They fake it till they make it At
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart Living Omni Media. That's that's that's completely false,
Speaker 1: but it's a good line for television.