1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So the Martha Stewart Netflix documentary is out and 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: I've seen people talking about it and I hadn't watched 3 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: it yet, and it's so weird, like I forget all 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: the stories I have. I honestly do people always hear 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: me tell these throwaway stories. I'll focus on the most 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: stupid thing, like a chicken salad sandwich for hours, and 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: then I'll just throw away a story that my friends 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: and colleagues or business people will be like, what the 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about that hat? What do you mean? 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Why don't you write a book like what you's talking about? 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Like it'll be something, and it could be about j Lo, 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: about Ellen, about Cia, about anybody, about Brett Ratner, Jerry Bruckheimer, 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton being Paris and Nicki's nanny, like all these 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: fucking crazy stories. And so I'm thinking, like Martha Stewart. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about Martha Stewart right now. I have twenty 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: stories about Martha Stewart, Like how am I not talking 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: about Martha Stewart. So basically, I just on TikTok was 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: like telling little anecdotal stories about Martha Stewart, and people 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: were like riveted, like oh, my God, give me the 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: next part. So I'm gonna give you all of it 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: in a little more here, because I guess people find 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: it interesting to hear about Martha Stewart from my perspective, 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: So let's go. Okay. So I am at a dinner 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: with a group of people when I'm broke living in 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: a studio apartment in Manhattan. There used to be a 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: place called Dossilvano, which was an Italian restaurant where a 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: lot of fashion people used to go. It's on Sixth 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: Avenue near Bar Pity, and it was a thing, and 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: especially during fashion we could be crowded and the food 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: was good. It just was a vibe. One of those 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: things where like the owner is drunk all the time. 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: He actually shares my birthday, which is interesting, which is today. 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: So Silvana's birthday is November fourth. I remember. I think 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: it was him or was it his wife? No, I 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: think it was him, And he would come out at 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: the table and make everyone feel special while he clipped 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: them with whatever bottle of wine he was selling them, 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: or food or whatever. And basically it was good Italian food, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: but it was a vibe. So I was there with 40 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: a group of people These were the dinners that I 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: would always pray that, like it wasn't gonna be an 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: even bill, like because I wouldn't eat that much because 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: I was scared to eat that much because I don't 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: have to pay that much. But then somebody else would 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: be ordering all this shit, and like we'd have to 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: split it. You'd hope someone else was paying it, some 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: guy was picking up the bill. I mean, I was 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: fully broke, like I really didn't have any money. I 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: couldn't afford to be going to these dinners, but I 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: wanted to meet someone and wanted to date, and it 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: was sort of like what you were doing. And I 52 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: had some nice clothes and nice things from exes and 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: from you know, presents and stuff. So I was always 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: sort of just like a sort of grifting, hustling, piecing 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: it together, selling things like just finataling. So I think 56 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: at this time I was a natural food chef. I 57 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: had gone to culinary school. I was out of a 58 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: relationship and engagement when I lived in Chicago, and I 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: was living in New York City. And at this dinner, 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: this group, and I believe Lizzie Grubbin was there, was 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: friends with this group, but I believe Lizzie Grubman was there. 62 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: She her dad is Alan Grubman. Incidentally, he's Martha Stewart's lawyer. 63 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: He's a big entertainment lawyer, like all like Madonna, I think, 64 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and Bruce Springsteen and like all the bigs. And I 65 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: ended up being represented by them later, Grubman and Dursky 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: and Shire. But his daughter, Lizzie backed into a bunch 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: of people in a Mercedes SUV in the Hampton's and 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: like heard a bunch of them and it was in 69 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: the post every day. It was lawsuits. It was at 70 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: a place called Conscious Point. It was a disaster, but 71 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: it kind of put her on the map. But she 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: was back then a big deal in pr like a 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: total like you know, New York City powerhouse, NEPO baby 74 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: and went to bu And so we were at a 75 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: dinner with her and her friend Lance, and they were 76 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: talking about this TV show that was on and it 77 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: was Donald Trump. I barely knew who Donald Trump was, 78 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: like of course I'd heard the name, but like it 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: was Donald Trump and all these people and they were 80 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: doing these tasks where they were selling lemonade. Was the 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: one that I remember hearing and in my mind I 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: was always good at a scavenger hunt, and like, always 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: good at that sort of like hustle, and so I 84 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: thought to myself, that sounds like something i'd be good at. 85 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: I want to be on that show. And I always 86 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: did want to be an actress. I went to LA 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: to act I wasn't I don't think I was good 88 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: at it. I was more importantly not good at hustling 89 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: for it, like asking people for things, like saying out 90 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: loud that I was an actress. I used to say, 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I wish I could just be myself and something. And 92 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: I thought that was hosting. But it's not really hosting, 93 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: because hosting is like looking up at a script. It's 94 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: more scripted than than that. It's just as scripted as scripted, 95 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: and people being a host is almost as scripted as 96 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: scripted because you're sort of tethered to like talking points. 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: So I couldn't find my way in. And when someone 98 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: mentioned the show, I was like, wait a minute, I 99 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: want to be on that show. So this guy Lance, 100 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: who was friends with Lizzie, he was like a little pompous. 101 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: He's a good guy, but he's always thought, you know, 102 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: he's a hot stepper, and he became very successful in 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: real estate. And he says to me something like that, 104 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: I would never get on that show. And he said 105 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: he'd get on that show. And he kind of like, 106 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, dare me not to do something, and he 107 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of said like, you won't get on that show. 108 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: And I looked at him and I said these words, 109 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget it. I said, you mark my words, 110 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: I'll get on that show. So there was we took 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: these guys had like a limo or something, and we 112 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: were in a limo going somewhere, probably to a club. 113 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: And whoever the other guy in the car was, I 114 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: don't remember, might have been my friend Scott, I don't remember. 115 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: But later on that person reminded me or said to me, 116 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: they're casting for that show. Now you could send in 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: a video like for the next season, for the season 118 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: two of The Apprentice, which incidentally wasn't a success. Was 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: it two or was it three? I think it. I 120 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: think it might have been three, Like the by the 121 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: time it got around to me they were going to 122 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: cast three, I don't remember, So I send in a tape. 123 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: I was with my partner at a trade show selling wheat, 124 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: egg and dairy free cookies. And I was with my 125 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: partner and I said to him, can you go buy 126 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: like a cheap small video camera. It wasn't now where 127 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: people had smartphones and phones video. This is the dark ages, 128 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: this is dian Era. And he had to go to 129 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: like let's say, like PC Richards or something or whatever. 130 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: You know, they don't even know if they had There 131 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: was another place like best Buy, but like go there 132 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: and buy the smallest I think it was a Panasonic 133 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: video camera. I didn't know how to use it. I 134 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: just said, record me selling cookies. Because to me at 135 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: that point, this was a business show. Little did I 136 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: know that this was an entertainment show, just like Shark Tank. 137 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was like a real business show. So 138 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: I was intimidated. I wanted to show them how good 139 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: a business I was. So we send in a tape 140 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: and I get a call. So I get a call 141 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to go to the Trump I think it was called 142 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: like the Trump International. It was up by Lincoln Center. 143 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: It was a Trump hotel by like Columbus Circle. And 144 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: I go there and I charge up on my credit card, 145 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: a Bloomingdale's outfit again, like people didn't buy online there. 146 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the Dark Ages. You went 147 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: into Bloomingdale. So you went into Bloomingdale's and I charged 148 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: a miss Skino red skirt that I had like a 149 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: little like like a twirl to it, like a little 150 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: flip to it, and a red heart Mesquino jacket and 151 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Mosquino shoes that had an open toe. And I charge 152 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: this all because I was going and I was gonna 153 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: get this. So I get there and I'm so serious 154 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: about like I'm meticulous and I'm a hard worker, and 155 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: like I'm all about that. Now at the time, Trump 156 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: was saying thousands and thousands of applications had been received, 157 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like, you gotta be in it 158 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: to win it if I don't send it in. And 159 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm not one who would send my thing into something 160 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: because I don't even know how to record myself. This 161 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: was like the tech of it is what would be intimidating. 162 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: But lo and behold, it's thousands and thousands of applications. 163 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: Now I get down to the Trump International Hotel and 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: now they're gonna fly me to La to be sequestered 165 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: for a week. So you're at the Double Tree Hotel. Incidentally, 166 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the Double Tree Hotel is the best cookies. I blew 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: up like a tick this week. So you go to 168 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: the DoubleTree Hotel and you are in a hotel room, 169 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: a normal hotel room, for one week. What I realized 170 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: was not everyone's there for a week, because some people 171 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: get like disqualified and are sent home after a day 172 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: two days. So if you've made it the whole week, 173 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: you're kind of gonna make it on the show. And 174 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: you're only allowed to leave your room for like fifteen 175 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: to twenty minutes for breakfast, for lunch, and for dinner, 176 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: and they will have you leave for like an IQ test, 177 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: a psychological test. You are not allowed to look at 178 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: anyone else, you are not allowed to talk to anyone else. 179 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: You eat by yourself, you go back to your room. 180 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: It is extremely depressing. Now I think I might have 181 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: gone down to the gym to work out. You're only 182 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: allowed to go for half hour and that's it. You 183 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: can't walk outside. You are stuck in your room. I 184 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: was broke. I wanted the job. I was desperate. I 185 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: needed this thing. I was scared money never wins. And 186 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: I would play that song every time by Britney Spears, 187 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: and there was also a Jessica Simpson song. And I 188 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: like wanted it, and I would pray for it, and 189 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: I begged for it, and I would count. I was 190 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: already like playing the game, thinking some of these people 191 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: would be with me on the show if they make it, 192 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: So start like clocking people, like, start playing the game 193 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: now in your mind. So by the end of the 194 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: week there was there were only I was trying to 195 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: count because they did it in like phases. You could 196 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: see certain people at breakfast, certain people at lunch. They 197 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: mixed it up. It wasn't the same people. So I 198 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: started like counting how many people were still there. I 199 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: saw that guy. That guy's not here anymore. Where's that girl? 200 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: So finally I was like, wait, there's only like eighteen 201 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: people left, and the show had sixteen contestants on. So 202 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: the last day, I think it was Scott Sallier's, the 203 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: casting guy comes to my room with another guy and says, sorry, 204 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: you did great. You're the first alternate. So I was 205 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: correct that everyone had been sent home and we were like, 206 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: I think nineteen people because on this season they decided 207 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: two more people. So I was the first alternate, but 208 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: no one ended up backing out and I didn't make it, 209 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: which was gutting, Like it was just like you went 210 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: so far, you sent the thing, you were art, the thing, 211 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: you had, the debate, you recorded, the thing, you get called, 212 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: you send the thing in you then you know, go 213 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: to the sequestering for a week, You do all this 214 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: shit and then you have to go back home. And 215 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: I remember it was the Kentucky Derby right after. So 216 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: I went. I partied with some people. I had fun, 217 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: but I was depressed. I was miserable. But my motto 218 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: was just like always brush yourself off, pick yourself up, 219 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: be happy. It's meant to be. I had my wheat 220 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: egg and dairy free Bethany Bakes Cookie Company, so that 221 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: was sort of bombing. I sort of stuck to that. 222 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to extricate myself from that. I 223 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: felt like I would be a failure if I did. 224 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: I just was like sort of a I had nothing 225 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: really going, so I was. I guess I always was 226 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: in tune to knowing that you keep in touch with 227 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: people and like it seems so intimidating, like how am 228 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: I going to get in? But they're just casting people 229 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: now knowing casting people now knowing producers. They're just people 230 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: like you think they're in some big like oz behind 231 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: the curtain, you know, wizard tent. They're not, They're just people. 232 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: So I would keep in touch with these people and 233 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: months later, like I just am desperate. I just want 234 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: to talk to them. I want to know, like it's 235 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: just not I don't know. I'm just like desperate. So 236 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: months later they call me and they say, okay, Bethany, 237 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: you're up. We're doing the Martha Stewart Apprentice. Because I 238 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: had a wheat egg and dairy free cookie company. I 239 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: had had a passion me in a company, I wanted 240 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: to democratize health like Martha democratized style. I was like, wow, 241 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: this is it. So I go back to that same dreadful, 242 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: torturous week, which was misery. It's like think Jerry Duty 243 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: times ten. It's just like very depressing and very like 244 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: weird and it's just not good. It's like being in 245 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: a trailer. When you work on a movie, you're just 246 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: kind of like you think you're gonna do all these 247 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: interesting things. You don't do any of them. You just 248 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: lay there and like watch TV and like try it. 249 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: It's like being like you're trying to make the hours 250 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: go by, like you're in some sort of luxury prison. 251 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't good, which is interesting because that gives me 252 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: an indication to Martha's time in jail, which had to 253 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: be extremely depressing, and watching the documentary you see that 254 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: it was very depressing. But she never let anybody see 255 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: her sweat and she does an emote. So I go 256 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: back for the week, I get sequestered, I go through 257 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: the same thing, and towards the end this time, I 258 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: get to meet Mark Burnett and he's wearing these like 259 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: ed hardy jeans and he's in this group thing where 260 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: you're like simulating people talking to each other and debating 261 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: with each other, and he says, this is gonna be 262 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that ever hit television. He said, I 263 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: think I said on TikTok forty two million. He said 264 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: forty maybe forty to forty two million. He's like, this 265 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: is gonna get forty million viewers. That's what he said, okay. Incidentally, 266 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: it ended up getting eleven million viewers, which was a failure. 267 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: Eleven million viewers today would be a success. There's just 268 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: so much more content and the metrics aren't the same, 269 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: and the streaming and the recording and DVR it's just 270 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: a different game. But it ended up being a failure. 271 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: I think that probably the normal apprentice was probably twenty 272 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: five million or something. It was a lot. So this 273 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: was He thought this was gonna be the biggest deal 274 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: because Martha Stewart was away in jail. She's getting out 275 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: of jail. He's producing a daytime talk show with her 276 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: end this, which, by the way, I thought it was 277 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: a bad idea. I didn't understand two announcements at the 278 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: same time. We're gonna do this and we're gonna do that. 279 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: It's just like when Bravo announced we're gonna do a 280 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: new Real Housewives in New York cast and also we're 281 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: doing like an all start at Real Housewives in New 282 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: York or a vintage or side. I don't know. I 283 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: just see. It's like it's twenty five pounds of shit 284 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: in a five pound bag. Say one thing. Well, but anyway, 285 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: I do remember I've always had a marketing mind. I 286 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: thought it was weird. So he says it's gonna be 287 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: the biggest thing ever. And there's a girl in the room, 288 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: and I guess we're down to it, and he says, 289 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: why should you be here and why should she not, 290 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: and I said, because I had now realized that this 291 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: is not just a business show. The time before, I 292 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: was too stiff, I was too obsessed with business. Or 293 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't. I mean, I can't went all the way. 294 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: But this time I was more free, I was more 295 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: entertaining and more myself. I go, I go, why should 296 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: I be here or not her? Because she had the 297 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: balls to wear a fake Mark Jacob's bag to this interview. 298 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why I made it. I 299 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but I know that I make it. 300 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: I make it. They tell me this is a very 301 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: thick contract. Don't bother debating it, don't bother disputing it. 302 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Just sign it. Mark Burnett is a person that if 303 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: you sue him and you have any problem with any 304 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: of this, it doesn't fucking matter. He will keep you 305 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: in court and he won't back down. So I was like, 306 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: sign the dieline. We are off to the races. We 307 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: are going to be on the Martha Stewart Apprentice. The 308 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: biggest thing that ever happened to me in my entire life. 309 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it was happening to me. I was 310 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: so prepared and you know, just I was obsessed. I 311 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: wanted it so bad. I was like, let's get wax, 312 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: let's get sleeping pills, let's get prepared, let's you know, 313 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: like just obsessed. Okay, So I live in New York City, 314 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: so that's easy for me. And apparently, so the first 315 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: day we go, we're waiting on the street for hours, 316 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: lining up to film like our entrances and all this stuff. 317 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about television. This did prepare me 318 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: for reality television later, although the reality television that I 319 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: would embark on later was so much more shoddy. And 320 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: I will say this about Mark Burnett. He runs a 321 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: military operation. It was like clockwork. It was insane, and 322 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: there's no breaking rules. So we're on the street waiting 323 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: to go in. You can't talk to anybody. I remember. 324 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: We get up into this building where they had built 325 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: us aloft. I think it's called the ster at Lehigh Building, 326 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: and Martha Stewart, living on Nimdia, was in the front 327 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: of the building and our loft was in the back. 328 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: But we didn't know that. We never knew where we 329 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: were walking, where we were going, where we were You 330 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to go out on the street. This wasn't 331 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: like the celebrity Apprentice, where you could sort of have 332 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: your own phone sometimes or call family sometimes. This was 333 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: complete sequestering for weeks. And they tell you that when 334 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: you get fired, you won't go home. You go to 335 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: what they call the Ponderosa, which is a place. Again 336 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: we didn't know where this was either, but it was 337 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: an apartment somewhere in some like rental like oak Wood 338 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: type apartment place. And you go there and they say 339 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a therapist there. And the therapist 340 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: says like, I'll be the one that you'll come meet 341 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: with when you come there. And I said to her, 342 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: don't you worry, I'll never be coming there. I was 343 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: a fucking animal. Then I was raised from the betting 344 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: windows of Aqueduct Racetrack like animal raised at nightclubs, like 345 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm not fucking coming back here. I'm gonna 346 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: kill everybody. I'll figure it out. So we are on 347 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: the street waiting to get up in the cars, and 348 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: then we go upstairs and I remember like I looked 349 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: into the camera like like almost like Dorothy from the 350 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: Wizard of Alice in Wonderland, going down the hole like 351 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: saw like spirals like saw like the light. They were like, 352 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: don't look into the camera, Like I was gonna learn 353 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: everything I would need to know about reality television from 354 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: the most strict like Harvard University, to then later go 355 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: to some community college of reality television where you can 356 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: be shoddy, you can be friends with a producer, you 357 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: can fuck a producer, you could marry a producer. This 358 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: is not was not like that, except for Alexis Stewart, 359 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: who did have a relationship with a camera guy, but 360 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: that would not happen for any of us. So we're 361 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: up in Martha's offices too, like on the line coming in, 362 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: like you're sort of in some hybrid Martha's offices where 363 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna live in this loft, like a badass building 364 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: on this building, like cars can park. They come in 365 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: elevators and like go up in the building car elevators 366 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: to go to parking structures. Like it's wild. So now 367 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: we are in this building and there's a hold up, 368 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: like there had been a long time to shoot. Everyone's arrival, 369 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: everyone's entrance, everyone's car ride, everyone's I don't know anything 370 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: about it. You're just like, why is this taking so 371 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: long you don't realize how detailed this is. So now 372 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: we're about to shoot the first scene where we're gonna 373 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: meet Martha and the two people to her left and right, 374 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: and there's a hold up, like there's a drama. There's 375 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: like a hubbub, but like there's something going on, like 376 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: there's something that's more than what we've been experiencing. That's 377 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: going on. There's some version of a drama. And here's 378 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: the loophole. Someone probably got fired because somebody cast me 379 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: and never had Alexis or Charles her chairman of Martha 380 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: Stewart living on the media, Charles Kopple, he's the guy 381 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna sit next to him in the boardroom, the 382 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: way Trump had a woman that worked for him and 383 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: a lawyer, like two people and later I think probably Avanka. 384 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be two people next to her. She's 385 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: they're mimicking the model of Trump, and next to her 386 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: is going to be Charles Kopphaman her chairman and good 387 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: friend new good friend like new ish good friend, and 388 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: Alexis her daughter. So they never thought to vet did 389 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: these people have any conflicts of interest with us? So 390 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: now we're going to walk in, and I don't know 391 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: if I find out right before or I don't know 392 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: if I find out when I get in. And if 393 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: they had not done this last minute, they would have 394 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: probably not Probably they would have not cast me on 395 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: the show. They would have let me go. This would 396 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: have been a disaster, This would have changed the course 397 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: of my life. We go in and Charles Kopplman is 398 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: the guide to her right, the chairman of Martha Stewart 399 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: Living Omnimdia. What neither Mark Burnett, nor the producers, nor 400 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart nor any of my castmates know is that 401 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: I was in a relationship with Charles Koplelman's son. I've 402 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: been on vacation with Charles Koplelman and Brian and his son, 403 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: and Jennifer Copplelman, his daughter, who I lived with in 404 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: Paris and went to the South of France with like 405 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: I know them. Brian incidentally produced and wrote Billions, the 406 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: show based on loosely my friend Steve Cohen and Alex 407 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: his wife, and Brian wrote the movie Rounders, And I 408 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: used to date him. And here we are, I'm walking in. 409 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I ready have to fucking be the center of attention. 410 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: And divert and create drama and like have a spotlight 411 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: on me when frankly, the stakes are too high. I 412 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: need to win this and I need to get this 413 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: goddamn job. I don't need to fucking be the center 414 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: of attention before you've even started putting me on her radar? Like, 415 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: why does she know Charles Koperlman? Why did she date 416 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: Brian Koppleman. Her daughter Alexis has a radio show with 417 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: Jennifer Koppleman, or eventually does who I lived with. Like, 418 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: I just don't need extra heat and light on me. 419 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: I need to be a regular person that's competing. I 420 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: don't want to have special attention, and I just don't 421 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: want to be the fucking rich kid coming into this 422 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: experience who needs this job. It's just gonna not hit right. 423 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: So I walk in and Charles is like, Bethany and 424 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: I know each other, and yes we are, And like 425 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: now I already am starting going up a hill because 426 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: everybody else is already thinking I already am self conscious, 427 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna think I have a leg up and 428 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get special treatment, and I'm like, I can 429 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: never win this thing. Start off with a stain, knowing 430 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: I can never win this thing. So that's how we start. 431 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Now we get into the loft, we get into our space. 432 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: There are no really walls or ceilings. They have the 433 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: camera and microphone on you when you pee, in case 434 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about things or talking about other people. You 435 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: have to sleep with an eyemask on because it's a 436 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: New York City full window building, so light is blazing 437 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: through the windows while you're trying to sleep in a 438 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: no wall, no ceiling space. It is designed to be 439 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: a nightmare. It is designed to keep you awake. It's 440 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: a sleep deprivation experiment. You are activated, you are heightened, 441 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: you are desperate. It is a nightmare. You can't think 442 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: of the name of the restaurant with the golden arches. 443 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: You have a camera on you. Everything you say is 444 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: being recorded. I'm not used to this, like I am now, 445 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a professional. No one is. It's just it's 446 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: just scary. It's just like daunting and you're trying to 447 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: like get your footing while you're trying to be creative. 448 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: And I was rough in the beginning, like I just 449 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: couldn't get for the first test, Like I was like, 450 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose. I'm gonna be sent home first, I'm 451 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: gonna die. I'm gonna be so embarrassed, like the whole thing. 452 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: One guy Chuck like basically had a nurse breakdown on 453 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: the first or second task, like it was. It was 454 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart, honestly. And it's also 455 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of look at the draw who goes first, et cetera, 456 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: Like it might be who's not good TV. It doesn't 457 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: mean they're not a good or smart person. It's a 458 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: thousand things. It's an entertainment vehicle. No one's going to 459 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: dispute the fact that I'm entertaining. So we go in, 460 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: we do the first task, We're all connecting. What's interesting 461 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: from a human behavior standpoint is how much people All 462 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: these people got that thick contract. All these people sat 463 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: in that hotel room for a week. All these people applied, 464 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: had to go through many hoops and jaunt and gauntlets 465 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: and you know, try to get this thing. But immediately 466 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: everyone thinks it's gonna be the biggest show in the world, 467 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: and everyone's talking about how much money they're going to 468 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: make off of us, and talking about our leverage. And 469 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I'm flabbergasted. Because I who's broke, has no family, no 470 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: safety in it. I need this. I'm desperate, I am scared. 471 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Money never wins. I can't believe how lucky I am. 472 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: We're doing it for basically next to nothing, and I 473 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: would have paid them to do it, Like I can't 474 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: even believe I'm here. I never have that thought, and 475 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: I never really had that thought for years later with Housewives, 476 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: like until I really was a real hot, valuable commodity 477 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: that would leave for three seasons and the ratings would 478 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: spike from three point two to one point six million, 479 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: and then I'd come back and they would like it 480 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: was unavoidable to know my value. So not until all 481 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: of that that I finally understand this concept. But it 482 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: was wild to see everyone counting their money and counting 483 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: their you know, chickens before they hatch, and like immediately 484 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: going to the place of like they're gonna make so 485 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: much money off of us. And I did think it 486 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: was a mistake, like fucking create good content, let it 487 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: do well, then will worry later. Nobody knows anything. And 488 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: before I came, I teed up Bethany bakes and I'm 489 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest thing and I'm gonna sell so 490 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: many cookies. I'm gonna be Tory Birch on Oprah. She 491 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: sold millions of caf Hans. I've got all my partners. 492 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm selling this into partners, bakers, like I'm gonna be 493 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: on the show. Like I imagine what people must tell people now, 494 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: making them think it's gonna be the biggest thing, and 495 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: it's not the biggest thing. Nothing is really the biggest thing. 496 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of fool's gold. Even Housewives, you could say 497 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: whatever you want. You know, I'm going to do another 498 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: series on Jennifer Lopez, and I say this with respect. 499 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: She has two hundred and seventy million followers, and her 500 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: skincare and her body glow and her products haven't hit 501 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: just because you have two hundred and seventy six million followers. 502 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: Beyonce had Jeans, Darian Jean's there, they were gone. It 503 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: is not It's not the same thing to have an 504 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: audience and then to sell them a product. Okay, it's 505 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: a very different thing. The Kardashians have had more failures 506 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: than successes. They're billionaires and they've hit it because they've 507 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: gone and kept at it, and they're relentless but the 508 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: notion and thought that the Kardashians or Jalo or Beyonce 509 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: would have anything not fucking pop off is insane to 510 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: me because I have like three percent of their audience. 511 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: But lo and behold, they've all Jennifer has not had 512 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: a product brand hit, and really Beyonce for the most 513 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: part hasn't. They've made millions and millions and tens of 514 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: millions of dollars on their music and albums. I'm just note, 515 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: I'm just observing something. So you can't be on the 516 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: Housewives or The Apprentice or some shit show and think 517 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: this fool's gold. You know, this is the golden goose. 518 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna lay eggs. It takes a lot to be 519 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. It takes a lot to move a product. 520 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: It says a lot about my audience and the connection 521 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: that I have that I have significantly fewer followers, but 522 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: I can move product like nobody else because love me 523 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: or hate me, people believe me. So for whatever that's 524 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: worth you, these people are all, you know, thinking how 525 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: big they're gonna be, and I'm thinking my cookies are 526 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the cats me out. Okay, not the case. 527 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: So we're shooting the show. And also I'm staying healthy. 528 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm a natural food chef. I'm presenting as such. I'm 529 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: making my brown rice breakfast that's in my book, naturally thin. 530 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be hydrated. I'm trying to eat well. 531 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: Everyone's eating crap and garbage. The apartment is a tenement. 532 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: It looks disgusting. Everybody's filthy. I'm trying to be neat, 533 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: Like you're getting edgy about things that don't matter. And 534 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: the game has begun. I make a friend Marcella. I 535 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: like her a lot. I become friends with this guy Chuck, 536 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: who goes home early. It gets, you know, dicey, and 537 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: you're making friends making enemies. This guy Jim I became 538 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: friends with. He was hilarious, but he was the most 539 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: irritating of everybody. But I found him so amusing. He 540 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: was like the guys that I was friends with in 541 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: eighth grade, like the bad boys. Like it's just it's 542 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: a very interesting experience. You're like in a fish bowl 543 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: with all these people. So the tasks start and I'm 544 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: like flailing a little in the beginning, but I do 545 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: hit my stride pretty quick. I kick in, I hit 546 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: my stride. We are off and running. So when I 547 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: come back, because this is a lot to remember, it's 548 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: like frying my brain. I'm going to get into how 549 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: Martha clocks something in my closet, How I get to 550 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: go to two of her homes and I start to 551 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: kick in as the one to beat in this competition. 552 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: It starts to get real, and I'm a horse that 553 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: comes from behind. I'm a horse that when it's a 554 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: far turn, that's when I really fucking pick up. So 555 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: you got It's it's like anything else, you know, it's 556 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: it's a marathon, not a sprint. This thing starts to 557 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: get real. I'm not sure I think I've met I 558 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: get I get to meet Martha after the first task, 559 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: which we don't win. That's the time when I think 560 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: I said something like I want to cry, and she 561 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: goes really cry and you're out of here. We don't 562 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: women in business don't cry, or something like that. We 563 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: don't women in business don't cry. She also says to 564 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: this woman Sean Killinger, who went on to work on QVC, 565 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: we don't fake it till we make it. Here at 566 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart Living Omni Media, which is bullshit. One hundred 567 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: percent fake. They fake it till they make it At 568 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart Living Omni Media. That's that's that's completely false, 569 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: but it's a good line for television.