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Speaker 1: Hey, Latino, USA listener, I'm Mariano Hosa. For several weeks,

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Speaker 1: our very own Futuro Investigates unit has followed the trial

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Speaker 1: of Henado Garcia Luna, the highest ranking former government official

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Speaker 1: in Mexico ever to face trial in the US. What

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Speaker 1: awaits Garcia Luna now? Though after a jury in New

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Speaker 1: York recently found him guilty of collaborating with El Chapo's

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Speaker 1: truck cartel. What does the verdict say about the role

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Speaker 1: of the US in this so called war on drugs? Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the last episode of our investigative series USA Versus

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Speaker 1: Garcia Luna.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Maria is not here.

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Speaker 3: Maria is in Texas, So I'm having the tequila just myself.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Sorry Maya, no tequila for you,

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Speaker 3: tequila for.

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Speaker 1: Me anyway, dear listener, welcome, I'm Maria, You Nojosa, and.

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Speaker 2: I am Penny later meres.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was this big, huge news, you know, the

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Speaker 1: guilty verdict, and finally some US news outlets have started

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Speaker 1: it sounds like. As Penny Lee and I gave interviews

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Speaker 4: What was the practical effect of a top Mexican official

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Speaker 4: United States, for example?

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Speaker 1: Well, the United States says it has the highest level

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Speaker 1: premier law enforcement agency to fight this war on drugs. Pennille,

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Speaker 1: your team has been getting up before the sun rises

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Speaker 1: to go to the court layout the significance of this verdict.

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Speaker 3: We have been also calling or sources and figuring out

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Speaker 3: what's next in this story. This is Lucy a Yes,

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Speaker 3: or Lucy as she likes to be called her son,

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Speaker 3: is one of thousands of people who have disappeared in

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Speaker 5: It's just so new to have some justice, something that

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Speaker 1: So in this episode you're going to hear back from

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Speaker 1: some of the people that we featured in our series

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Speaker 1: to take you to some of the behind the scenes

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Speaker 6: Straight up, this is our last episode about the trials,

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Speaker 6: so the USA versus Garcia Luna trial. But this saga

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Speaker 6: is not over yet, because, as we have been saying,

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Speaker 6: this is not just a story of a man, a system.

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Speaker 1: And a system that of course started over fifty years

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Speaker 1: ago when Richard Nixon, then president, declared the so called

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Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to summarize for you

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Speaker 7: the meeting that I have just had with the bipartisan leaders.

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Speaker 7: America's public enemy Number one in the United States is

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Speaker 7: drug abuse.

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Speaker 3: And then the US exported this felt war on drugs

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Speaker 8: All your criminal organizado representa la majora.

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Speaker 7: La libertad.

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Speaker 9: Mexican.

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Speaker 1: Dear listener, welcome back once again to USA versus Garcia

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Speaker 1: Luna and salute from.

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Speaker 10: Texas, Salute from New York.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, Pennille, you've been talking to a lot

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Speaker 1: the Garcia Luna guilty verdict. Who else have you been

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Speaker 3: Well, I call this Mexican General General Roberto Lera. You

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Speaker 8: Not the comp studios Los Corgio de Mexico and film

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Speaker 1: So he told you that he feels very happy that

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Speaker 1: And so speaking with Annabel, we also were able to

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Speaker 5: Lucia Pinson, Emiliveta de Prirista, Crista Lemnica Caliso Templar.

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Speaker 3: She had so many feelings that she wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: Which is kind of extraordinary because you have a woman

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Speaker 1: It was powerful.

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Speaker 3: And going back to Lucy Maria, she mentioned something or

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Speaker 5: For his boss, the man who invented this war, who

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Speaker 3: She refers to Phelippe Galdern, the former Mexican president, and

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Speaker 3: now he's living in Spain.

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Speaker 1: You know what Penny Lay. Now, with this guilty verdict,

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Speaker 1: Mexicanos are saying, look, you cannot leave the president untouchable.

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to keep trying because he has

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Speaker 3: And Maria, after the verdict, I sent him an interview request,

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Speaker 2: I wonder why.

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Speaker 1: So while we got a no from the former Mexican

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Speaker 1: president Benny Lee, we did get a lot of love

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Speaker 1: from our listeners. Gelindo.

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Speaker 3: We have received a lot of messages from listeners and

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Speaker 1: So we like to record things as they happen, and

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Speaker 1: so when we got this email, we recorded our immediate

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Speaker 2: This is huge.

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Speaker 1: This is a letter from the Senator Chuck Rasley to

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Speaker 1: the FBI and to the DEA. And basically, you say,

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Speaker 1: we want every single recording that the FBI and the

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Speaker 1: DEA has of Garcia Luna, with dates of when the

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Speaker 1: recordings happened, all the documents relating to Garcia Luna's criminal

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Speaker 1: act activity. Explain what your agencies knew about Garcia Luna's

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Speaker 1: corruption and criminal activity and when they learned about it.

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Speaker 1: Please explain the vetting your agency is conducted of Garcia Luna.

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Speaker 1: Please identify the individuals who participated in vetting Garcia Luna

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Speaker 1: and the dates they conducted the vetting. Everything that they're

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Speaker 1: using as footnotes and sources for this letter is based

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Speaker 1: on our podcast. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Maria, and we have been wondering if any US

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Speaker 1: I just never thought that our podcast would end up

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Speaker 1: being used by Senator Chuck Grassley and basically his political

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Speaker 1: intentions to take on this case. But if Chuck Grassley

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Speaker 1: thinks this is a question of Democrats versus Republicans. You know, no, honey,

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Speaker 1: would be George W. Bush. This is a systematic, it's

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Speaker 1: a structural problem, and this war on drugs is not winnable.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The US has said more than three billion dollars to

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Speaker 3: the Merita Initiative. Let us Still, the US remains as

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Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of like the United States likes

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Speaker 2: Know, this wall, you know, just keeps all the.

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Speaker 1: Bad things like Mexican corrupt drug dealers, narcos, and then

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Speaker 1: it's like, poof what this looks like here in the

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Speaker 1: United States. Is not only corruption and drug selling that

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Speaker 1: ongoing opioid epidemic, You've got this mass incarceration. And then

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Speaker 3: Yes, and this Republican Senator Grassley, of course, he's interested

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Speaker 4: Now, for nearly fifteen years, the United States has sought

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Speaker 4: and organizations maintain control of the drug trade through violence,

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Speaker 1: You know, I have interviewed Senator Chuck Grassley. I do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the politics are happening in a big way

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Speaker 3: In my first years investigating in Garcia Luna, I found

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Speaker 1: Six hundred million dollars over.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutors wanted to bring this information about the excesses

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Speaker 3: But in Mexico during the trial, well, the Mexican President

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Speaker 1: So the Mexican President said in his morning press conference

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Speaker 3: Yes, and according to my investigation, Mexico has a good

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Speaker 1: It was perfect illicit enrichment.

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Speaker 3: And also for weapon trafficking and abuse of power. And

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Speaker 2: This is the real moment of truths.

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Speaker 1: You're the first person here. My god, no, leve it

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Speaker 1: Right, So meanwhile I would be doing like an hour's

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Speaker 1: I realized that Henado Garcia a luna. He got global

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Speaker 1: because this is the Department of Homeland Security, it's ICE,

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Speaker 1: a threat, we don't trust you, but they trusted Garcia,

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Speaker 2: So as you can hear, that was the telenovela part.

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Speaker 3: But yes, Maria, I feel so grateful that this is

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Speaker 3: in Mexico, and to do it here with you, Maria,

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Speaker 3: it's been tremendous, tremendous for me because you know, I

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Speaker 3: pronounce focus.

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Speaker 1: There you go, focus exactly. I still think you should

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Speaker 1: continue to say it the way you say it. I

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Speaker 1: like the way you say it, Mida. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: a love letter to Mexican journalists just like you, Penni Le,

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Speaker 1: So do you think I think I know the answer

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Speaker 1: of this, But just to ask you, I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think this is it? In terms of you and

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Speaker 3: Well, as you said, my husband likes to play with

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Speaker 3: me saying that Garcia Luna is my most stable relationship hip.

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Speaker 9: And I know there's been a challenge for him.

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Speaker 1: The truth is, BENI Le. The other thing is that

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Speaker 1: out for our partners because it is true. Someone mo intensays,

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Speaker 1: we are intense, but we do love what we do,

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Speaker 3: Going back to Garcia, Luna, he will stay now in

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Speaker 3: the meantime, for us, for me, I'm just getting ready

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Speaker 3: for the next story. The cocaine crisis is not over,

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Speaker 3: The fentannel crisis is not over. And this is just

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Speaker 1: So we know we have made this commitment to you,

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Speaker 1: to us, to each other to keep on investigating the

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Speaker 1: responsibilities of the United States in this crisis. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, we're not done.

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Speaker 3: We also have proven that we can tell a deep,

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Speaker 2: So Maria, let's keep doing.

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Speaker 1: That, and dear listener, keep an ear out for us,

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Speaker 1: because we have a lot more to uncover.

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