1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Legends Podcast. I am As Williams. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: We're here with the Nickerson family talking about social justice. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: In Amy's book How Do You See Us? Listen? In Amy, 7 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: you wrote about how all of these external social behaviors 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing through your children's eyes and also manifested to 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: their experiences as adults. All does that were on a parent? 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow? I did practically a whole uh chapter on 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: the stress and what I call the heavy toll. Um 12 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: it's huge, it's huge, you know, um one, you don't 13 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: want this kind of stuff happening to your children. Everybody, 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: every parent, no matter what color, wants to protect their children. 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: And just as my parents wanted to protect me and 16 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: wanted to believe that we wouldn't be seeing what they 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: had to be with in Louisiana and Mississippi and ever 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: uh and to no avail of course, um, we wanted 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: to do the same thing. And we particularly thought, like 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: Hardy addressed the American dream, we kind of thought Wow, okay, wow, 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: this is a blessing. We we we've finished school, we 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: have degrees. Heart he's got this fabulous job, and we're 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: in this income bracket where we have a wonderful home 24 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: and schools and and I'll be doggone everywhere in the neighborhood, 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: at the schools, you name it. We've had on the airplane, 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: We've had just about every hashtag you could you you 27 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: you have heard, we've we've we've, we've done it and 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: it and it it breaks your heart. And it broke 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: my heart to have to address racial issues with my children. 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: What I hadn't expected that I would have to do 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: it as young as I did, as they were, you know, 32 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: but prompted by a little white kid saying something like, 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: for example, you're boo boo because you're brown, for example, 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: and they're so young. But then I have to then 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: go and hearty, hearty, and I have to then go 36 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: and have what we call the proverbial talk, you know, 37 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: the talk uh to children. When I I just wasn't 38 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: ready to do that. I thought maybe we would do 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: it a you know, a later age. But we were 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: forced to have to address a lot of race issues 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: of racism far earlier than I wanted to, and that 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: was upsetting. So it creates uh uh, frustration, anger, um, 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: and you know, not to mention just all of the 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: wear and tear from just having to deal with all 45 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: of this and dealing with aggressions. I call them aggressions, 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: not just microaggressions, because they're not micro to me. When 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: people keep doing things and calling people on, calling police 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: on you, and thinking you can't afford things or whatever. 49 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: The list is long, but to the extent that it 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: is affecting my health and and there is proof that 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: that has happened, that people do get high blood pressure 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: they reaction to the heavy toll of all of this. 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: That's really concerning to me, really concerning. Wow, Hardy Jr. 54 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: What do you remember about the incident you saw or 55 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: experience when you had the same white car as someone 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: else in the parking lot at caw oh Um. Yeah, 57 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: we I was working out. This is after my rookie year. 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: I was working out with with my strength coach up 59 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: there at cal and he had he had a couple 60 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: of guys and then I fel to training with me 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: and so we had finished the hard workout, I go 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: to my car opened up my door and I get 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: in and I'm fiddling with the radio and then uh, 64 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: a young white lady comes to the to my window 65 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: and opens up the door and it was like, is 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: this your car? And I'm looking like yeah, I say yes, 67 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: but I'm looking I'm giving her this crazy look like 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And then she was like, oh, 69 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: I thought, uh, I thought you had had taken my car. 70 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: My car. My car was parked right here, and and 71 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, this is my car. I 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: parked this. My key works like this, what are you 73 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: talking about? And then so I shot the door. I'll 74 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: start the car off and then she runs She runs 75 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: away and runs back and says, uh, oh, I'm sorry. 76 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. My car is down the street. At 77 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: that point, I was just very angry and and just 78 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, just fed off. But you know, it just 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you. I think the title 80 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: is perfect with that my mom has on her book. 81 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: How do you see us? It's really just that no 82 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: matter what you're doing, you could you could have a 83 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: pH d degree, you could be a lawyer, doctor, It 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: doesn't a matter, football player or just just a regular 85 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: black person. All they see is a skin color, and 86 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: they put the stereotypes to a skin color and the 87 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: first thing she thought was black man stole my car. 88 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: So it's just getting to the root of all these 89 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: stereotypes is really you know, gonna help us and mainly 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be white people come into terms that most 91 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: of these stereotypes are not true and hardy senior. As parents, 92 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: what should we be doing to ensure that our children 93 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: are safe and can interact with society successfully? I think 94 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: number one at home just having to talk, you know, 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: like Amy talked about a little bit earlier, and then 96 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: being supportive, listening especially to what's happening on a daily 97 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: basis with your kids and and with the family, and 98 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: then you know, if there is something that needs action, 99 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: take action. But I think our experiences, we've we've always 100 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: been able to come together as a family and discuss 101 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: the issues and from there we've gone to wherever we 102 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: need to go with those issues to get those issues resolved. 103 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: So that's how we've counter big as a family. Racism 104 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: is prevalent, and you know, our kids understand that we've 105 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: had the talks, We've read all the literature, all the 106 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: books to talk about the experiences as they have happened 107 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: throughout history, and so we've made sure that we were 108 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: well read and understanding. It's not our fault that these 109 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: things are happening. And UM, we live in a racist 110 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: society and the areas that they show up, the systems 111 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: in which it prevails, you know, just understanding what it 112 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: is and and yes that did happen, and yes that 113 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: is racism, and yes we're gonna we're gonna do all 114 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: that we can to to uh to address the issues, 115 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: especially as they arise. So we've we've been open uh 116 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: and and had that discussion, and and that I think 117 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: it's I think it's helped our kids, and it's helped 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: our family as the kids have gone older and as 119 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: we've gone along. Pure a few rapid fire questions, and 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: any of the three can answer first question, how do 121 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: we address these issues moving forward? Anyone can answer it, 122 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: UM invariably, we have got to start with having the conversations. 123 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: And I put that in my book too. We cannot 124 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: do any movement at all unless we started having the 125 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: conversations with white people, UM and others about how we're 126 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: feeling and what we feel is unfair. UM. It's not 127 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: enough to just react at every killing or every you know, 128 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: we appreciate that and we we feel the solidarity there, 129 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: but there really has to be an unpacking, if you will, 130 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: of of how this happened. I mean, a lot of 131 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: people know that there's racism, or they or they acknowledge 132 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: that people are racist, they don't necessarily want to subscribe 133 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: to the notion that systems are racist. That's a little 134 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: harder to understand. And we need to start breaking down 135 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: how it got that way, when it started, what laws 136 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: support things like race racism or racist acts, things like that, policies, 137 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: and how it just kind of redline in which made 138 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: people live in certain spots and therefore you know, you're 139 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: you're you're in quote unquote ghetto areas, they may say, 140 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: and but but that it was not necessarily their fault 141 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: that they were even districted that way. So there's a 142 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: whole lot of history that has to be learned, and 143 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, possibly implementing this through all the school systems, 144 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. There's lots and lots of 145 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: ways to have these conversations, but right now, we just 146 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: need to be believed. And that is something that I 147 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: had a hard time with over the past thirty years 148 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: getting people to believe me that it was really, really 149 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: true what I said. One of the things that law 150 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: enforcement has done in communities, they have what's called ride 151 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: with a cop. In other words, you get a chance 152 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: to ride in their vehicle and see what it's like, 153 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: what they go through. Amy, I want to get your 154 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: suggestion through your social media following. Why don't you start 155 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: uh putting out there right with African American know, mind blowing. 156 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, yeah, I wasn't African American come walked 157 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: to the store and the Yeah, there's a whole lot 158 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: of things that could be um something like that, because 159 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: until people are in our shoes or feel like and 160 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: they'll still really never know, never know. You're right, hardy, 161 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: but kind of get an idea. A movie is not enough. 162 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: They can help. But sometimes people think that, oh they 163 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: saw a movie and now they kind of get what 164 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: we go through. It's just impossible to convey something in 165 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: an hour or two hours time for something that we 166 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: are just born and bread into. But I do like 167 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: that as um right with actually had a friend I 168 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: had a friend ride with me um I had. I 169 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: was playing for the Buccan the ears and that I 170 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: had gone to h I had gone to Jacksonville to 171 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: take the the ELK Law School admissions uh and and 172 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: so Amy was worried that I was gonna be driving 173 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: it by myself. So a friend of ours he's he's 174 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: a Cubing uh Um ethnicity. He's a Cuban guy. And 175 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: and so we're riding in the car and on the 176 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: way back, I'm riding in the slow lane and and 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: these cars are flying by me. And now I'm doing 178 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe sixty five miles pro. I'm not I'm not going 179 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: excessively fast at all. Um, we're just cruising. These cars 180 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: fly by us, and so I'm I'm there was a 181 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: slow car from me. So I get into the fast lane, 182 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: passes car up, come back over. And so when I 183 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: did that, I see these lights in behind me and 184 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: uh and so he folds over and and the guy 185 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: walks up to the side of the car, gun drawn. Everything. Um, 186 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: I had I had let my windows down. I didn't 187 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: have any tent on the windows to start, so you 188 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: can see directly in the car. Let the windows down everything. 189 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: He walks. The cop walks up to the car, gun drawn. 190 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: Is this your car? And I go, yes, yes, that's 191 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: my car. What do you mean? No, is this your car? 192 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: He asked me that about three times. And then and 193 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: then um, so, my my buddy is sitting next he's 194 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: sitting in a pastie. He can't believe what's good, what's happening. 195 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: And then he then he then he takes my driver's license. 196 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: He goes, goes back, and we're sitting there for about 197 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: five minutes. It's almost like he they were searched. I 198 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, they searched or whatnot, um um, 199 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: registration of the day everything, you know, driver's license and insurance. 200 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Everything headed off and uh, and so when he came back, 201 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: I just said, hey, I said, uh, what, officer, I'm 202 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm a little curious. Why did you pull me over? 203 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: He goes, you were speeding? I said, well, there were 204 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: about four cars that passed me up, going probably twice 205 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: as fast as I was, and I just got over 206 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: to pass this one cup and got back over. I 207 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: don't understand what I did wrong. And and uh, he 208 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: didn't say anything. He wrote me a ticket and he 209 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: gave me the ticket and he, um, yeah, he didn't 210 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: say anything else. But I had the feeling if my 211 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: friend wouldn't have been with me if he hadn't seen 212 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: who was in the passenger seat. Um, it would have 213 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: it would have been much different. You can you know, 214 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: you can almost tell when when the cop is really 215 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: wanting to pull you out of a car and have 216 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: you on the ground. And all it was one of 217 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: It was one of those kind of stops I could. 218 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: I could feel it out as oh I said, Oh man, 219 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: this is this is not gonna be good. Thanks for 220 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: sharing that story, Hardy, that Hardy Jr. What actions needs 221 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: to be taken throughout American society now that we have this, 222 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: this kerosene, now we have all the us. What would 223 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: you like to see happen? Um? I just I feel 224 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: like right now, UM, we need to as as a 225 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,119 Speaker 1: black community unite organized, UM and come up with exactly 226 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: what we want, what we what we're demanding. And then also, UM, 227 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I feel like white people and people who are of 228 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: not black, UM, I need to just take this time 229 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: and listen and hear where we're coming from here. That 230 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: all this, all of our history, American history, has been 231 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: filled with racism and prejudice and discrimination. And so in 232 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: order to get back, get past this, we gotta know 233 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: our past so that we don't make the same mistakes. UM. 234 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I feel like with police there needs to be serious um, 235 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: serious training improvements UM to two officers and uh, you know, 236 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: kind of bridging that so that they aren't over using 237 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: power and and and holding them accountable for their actions. 238 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: Hardy Senior, tell me about the gage that you have 239 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: in your car that allows you to keep your registration 240 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: insurance card. Well, you don't have to reach in your 241 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: glove compartment. Amy found that. I don't know where she 242 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: found it, but she found it. UM. I think if 243 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: she hadn't found it somewhere online, she was gonna make it. 244 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: But she had actually started out. We had started she 245 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: had started putting all of our information in one central 246 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: place so that there's no scrambling, no you know, digging 247 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: trying to find, oh, where's my where's my registration? None 248 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: of that. UM. So she found she she had been 249 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: keeping all of our stuff and almost like a mini file, 250 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: uh folder in the in the glove box. UM. And 251 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: then we found she found this term of this pull 252 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: over pal which which which is great because you have 253 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: everything right there. Um and uh it makes it easy 254 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: so no one's no one's scrambling around. No one's digging 255 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: for anything. Um and as we've had to talk with 256 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: our kids about the procedure when when being pulled over, 257 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, it makes things a lot easy. It makes 258 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: it easy and hopefully, uh you know, helps prevent uh 259 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: some miscommunication or misunderstanding that that it uh could result 260 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: in something fatal and amy. What made you do your 261 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: research to find this device? Well, I will tell you 262 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: as all this stuff again, just the heavy load that 263 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: a burden is puts on, especially a mom, but anybody 264 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: when you know that, you're always kind of like a 265 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: sitting duck. I was just so stressed out about it. 266 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: And I had seen the Philando Castile situation where he 267 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: was just sitting there and there was also another young 268 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: man I can't remember his name, but he was trying 269 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: to get his license as instructed and then was shot. Right, 270 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: So all these images are like dancing in my head 271 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: about oh my gosh, what could happen? And I was 272 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: just concerned about them having something you know, uh, you know, 273 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: just please don't reach you know, I mean, because because 274 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: you can get shot or something bad can happen to 275 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: you with the best of intentions when you're trying to 276 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: get the information they've asked. So I did find it. 277 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: I found it online and I made it. Everyone put 278 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: it in everybody's car, and you know, I hope that 279 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: that's something. But but the burden of having to do that, 280 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, we shouldn't have to do that. I guess 281 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: this is the point I want to make. Um. It 282 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: is something that I've done to give me a little 283 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: a more peace of mind. But at least I don't 284 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to reach so if anything happens, 285 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be for that. But you know, all these 286 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: things that we have to do, I mean, and yes, 287 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: I have a white cell phone, and I have a 288 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: white cell phone iPhone only because I don't want a 289 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: black one on purpose, because I didn't want it to 290 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: look like something just in case. And I put that 291 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: in the book too, about why I arrived at that. 292 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: I tried to get everybody else in white iPhones too, 293 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: and they just didn't they you know, they refused. But 294 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, when we have to go and and take 295 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: steps like that to hopefully try to be safe, something's 296 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: wrong with that picture. And my white friends tell me 297 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: they don't have to do these things. That's where we've 298 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: got to have meeting of the mind when we have 299 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: these discussions, and that they can understand the steps that 300 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: we've been taking, and you know, sometimes still not enough 301 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: to try to be free. What is your hope for 302 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: the future, Amie. My final hope for the future is 303 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: that we can really fix this thing, that we can 304 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: really start having those conversations and have reconciliation and people, 305 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, say they're sorry, and we we we we 306 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: just really try to get to the root, the kernel 307 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: of all of this and and make you a tone 308 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: for it and and and take steps to have a 309 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: better society. I mean this is global too. I mean 310 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: it's going on my friend and Brussels is having the 311 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: same problem, and I've been over there and had things happen. 312 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: So this is actually a global thing, not just America. 313 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: But we do know that America has a unique past 314 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: with slavery um and and how things have happened, and 315 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: we we we've got to address it. And so I 316 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: hope that we can begin to start seeing changes in 317 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: policy and laws and in training and in processes and 318 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: in hiring and in housing and every every single American 319 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: institution you can think of, so that we can really 320 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: be free. Okay, guys, you know what. I can't believe 321 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: that this is our first time during a three part 322 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: this conversation is so needed, so essential, and it's so 323 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: aproposed to the time that we're living in. This has 324 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: been the NFL Legends podcast. 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