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Speaker 3: Hello, everyone, welcome to you a new episode of The
Speaker 3: Sox Machine. I'm your host Josh Nelson, and we are
Speaker 3: recording this episode Sunday night, June twenty eight, twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: as the Chicago White Sox wrapped up another series win,
Speaker 3: this time against the Kansas City Royals. As they go
Speaker 3: forward to in this homestand winning both series against the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Guardians and the Royals, the White Sox are now
Speaker 3: forty three and thirty nine on the season, still tied
Speaker 3: for first place in the American League Central. In this
Speaker 3: show's rundown, we'll be talking about the White Sox twenty
Speaker 3: two run rampage that they had on Friday. Miguel Vargas
Speaker 3: had a big weekend Beyond just his Friday performance, he
Speaker 3: also had another home run on Sunday. Chase Mydraft and
Speaker 3: Jacob Gonzalez also had bounced back weekends, and Sir Anthony
Speaker 3: Dominguez gets an easy runway. Joining me on the Sox
Speaker 3: Machine podcast, The Sox Machines be reporter James Vegan and
Speaker 3: managing editor Jim Margolis, and Hello gentlemen. The White Sox
Speaker 3: had a successful home stand. Yes, it'd been great if
Speaker 3: they would have found a way to sweep Cleveland, and
Speaker 3: they had another opportunity to get another sweep against Kansas
Speaker 3: City this weekend, but to go four and two against
Speaker 3: the division foes be forty three and thirty nine and
Speaker 3: still be tied for first place in the American League Central.
Speaker 3: I still view these outcomes for the White Sox as
Speaker 3: a positive. But James, we saw one of the best
Speaker 3: offensive explosions, especially in the history that we've been doing
Speaker 3: this podcast, and it looks like in our lifetime when
Speaker 3: the White Sox score twenty two runs on Friday. Ten
Speaker 3: of those came in the third inning, and it was
Speaker 3: a lot of fun to be in the stands to
Speaker 3: watch that one unfold.
Speaker 4: What was it like for you, James?
Speaker 3: Then going into the clubhouse to talking to the White
Speaker 3: Sox players after they scored twenty two runs sounds.
Speaker 5: Like another game.
Speaker 6: There were reasons like it wasn't like all the way
Speaker 6: like jacked up, I mean more than like just normal
Speaker 6: like Samlin one, he now has like gotten thirty seven
Speaker 6: runs of support and two home starts, so this is
Speaker 6: normal for him, but also like he probably had been
Speaker 6: told or had indications that he's getting optioned already, so
Speaker 6: he was happy with his outing, but wasn't like over
Speaker 6: the moon overall. Chase Mydrath, who was like playing all
Speaker 6: out on the final out, was very much like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is what we do. We played the final out
Speaker 6: out and kind of still in his Chase my Drath
Speaker 6: intensity mode rather than like, wow, what a super fun
Speaker 6: like night. There are no rules, We're gonna live forever,
Speaker 6: anything like some new tone that he doesn't usually speak in.
Speaker 6: Tristan Peters was pretty like happy, but Tristan Peters was
Speaker 6: like a subdue guy like him talking openly about hitting
Speaker 6: for power and saying, like what was your goal and
Speaker 6: that grand slam and just like hit it as hard
Speaker 6: as possible. But I feel like that was even more
Speaker 6: just indicative of what their approaches early in the counts
Speaker 6: that they talk about. Then it was like, you know,
Speaker 6: them feeling their oats in some big way. And you know,
Speaker 6: Jacob Gonzalez is pretty happy to like have gotten out
Speaker 6: of like he had just snapped an over twenty eight
Speaker 6: not too long ago, so he was kind of spent
Speaker 6: some more time like explaining like a little like guys
Speaker 6: kind of like slip in and out of the mechanics
Speaker 6: over the course of the year. So as much as
Speaker 6: like his off, his whole season is defined by how
Speaker 6: he figured out how to rotate his hips since and
Speaker 6: like keep his weight back and then in a way
Speaker 6: that he wasn't able.
Speaker 5: To do before he had.
Speaker 6: He'd just like recently had some session with Ryan Fuller
Speaker 6: where they had explained how he had kind of like
Speaker 6: fallen out of his timing for it and corrected it.
Speaker 6: So he was like explaining that in terms of like
Speaker 6: you know, obviously what we hope is, you know, a
Speaker 6: recent upturn in the last couple of games that he's
Speaker 6: shown or he hopes so it was not like super
Speaker 6: like bouncy or like more aesthetic than any of their walkoffs.
Speaker 6: I think they all kind of I had like there's
Speaker 6: been a general line of positivity throughout and they all
Speaker 6: had kind of like maybe their individual reasons to be
Speaker 6: what they were, but they weren't like, oh Man, especially
Speaker 6: Will Venible is like super even keeled in the kind
Speaker 6: of mirror him in that way. They were just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that was a good night. If anything, kind of struggled
Speaker 6: to repeat the same offensive, dominant dominance, you know, throughout
Speaker 6: the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could have bowled some of those runs.
Speaker 3: A twelve to one victory would have been fine if
Speaker 3: they could spread out the other ten runs over the
Speaker 3: two games, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6: But well, I asked Will about that a little bit,
Speaker 6: Like is their point of just kind of spreading it
Speaker 6: on a little bit just because like you made them
Speaker 6: use so many relievers. They use eight relievers that night,
Speaker 6: and like ideally it would have but just like their
Speaker 6: efforts to basically have Michael Waka stretch and cover the
Speaker 6: whole bullpen on Saturday, work, and then pretty much everyone
Speaker 6: or a lot of guys got a little bit of redemption.
Speaker 6: Maybe not Schreiber. I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 6: looking at the series in any kind of fond way soon.
Speaker 6: But you know, guys like Alex Laying and Beckway came
Speaker 6: back to throw pretty well against them, and Stephen Cruiz
Speaker 6: is pretty good against the Friday and Sunday So maybe
Speaker 6: more some isolated guys having incredibly bad Friday nights more
Speaker 6: than you know, total dominance of the Royals.
Speaker 3: Well, Jim. With this series win for the White Sox,
Speaker 3: they also win the season series against the Kansas City
Speaker 3: Royals for the first time in six years.
Speaker 4: The last time the White Sox won a.
Speaker 3: Season series against Kansas City was back in the COVID
Speaker 3: season twenty twenty, when the White Sox were nine to
Speaker 3: one against Kansas City. And the White Sox now against
Speaker 3: American League Central opponents, they're sixteen to ten, which is outstanding,
Speaker 3: and I think it's getting pretty close to already matching
Speaker 3: their win total against division opponents even last year. So
Speaker 3: great start for the White Sox in the division, and
Speaker 3: with this early season success against the Tigers the Royals,
Speaker 3: the Twins and the Guardians. Does this give you confidence
Speaker 3: ends that the White Sox won't fade in the second half.
Speaker 7: Guess we'll see how the road record goes. You know,
Speaker 7: it's been pretty uneven in terms of especially how they
Speaker 7: pitch home and away to know exactly what their staying
Speaker 7: power is over the course of a season, over course
Speaker 7: of a whole slate of opponents versus just isolated weekends.
Speaker 8: Or three game series here or there.
Speaker 7: I will say that like they've with winning the series
Speaker 7: against Kansas City, they've accomplished what they needed to and
Speaker 7: that's like they have to topple their division opponents in
Speaker 7: order to spring a surprise on the American League postseason picture.
Speaker 7: And that, you know, baseball being a zero some game,
Speaker 7: you got to win those games against the teams that
Speaker 7: we're supposed to finish ahead of you. And basically the
Speaker 7: entire Central was supposed to finish ahead of them. So
Speaker 7: they are doing what they need to do to sneak
Speaker 7: into a spot. Perhaps they won't even sneak into it,
Speaker 7: maybe they'll win the division or you know, win a
Speaker 7: second wildcard berth because right now the Ale West looks
Speaker 7: like a mess. So I think it's a little premature
Speaker 7: to say, like, yeah, beating the Royals means something greater
Speaker 7: than just taking advantage of a bad team, while they're
Speaker 7: clearly just trying to find anybody who can get out,
Speaker 7: you know, late in the games and figure out a
Speaker 7: rotation work around Bobby Wits injury. But yeah, I think
Speaker 7: coming up this this series in Cleveland will be I
Speaker 7: think a better series to hang.
Speaker 8: This conversation on.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 3: They are halfway through their division games for the season
Speaker 3: and being sixteen to ten. I think that again, it's
Speaker 3: another good sign for the White Sox and it's a
Speaker 3: big reason why there are already four games above five
Speaker 3: hundred this year. Hopefully that trend continues for the Chicago
Speaker 3: White Sox. Now, Miguel Vargus had a huge weekend. There's
Speaker 3: so many players to highlight, and if we did the
Speaker 3: highlight on everyone that was successful offensively this weekend, this
Speaker 3: would be a two hour podcast. But Miguel Vargas went
Speaker 3: six four eleven against the Royals. He had two homers,
Speaker 3: seven RBIs, he walked three times, he only struck out once,
Speaker 3: and James, you have asked Miguel many times this season,
Speaker 3: now that he has nineteen home runs in the year
Speaker 3: about his power production, and he's been consistent. He has
Speaker 3: said that he's not aiming or looking to hit for
Speaker 3: home runs. He's just trying to make the best contact possible.
Speaker 3: But Miguel Vargas is now on base at thirty seven
Speaker 3: home runs this season. Is this just Vargas figuring out
Speaker 3: his own hitting zone or knowing his spots to maximize
Speaker 3: his a swing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he's not hitting for home runs in
Speaker 6: the sense that like no one just like swings and
Speaker 6: like thinks home run please, Like what it's.
Speaker 4: More like who's got thirty now?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I'm trying to drive the ball in the
Speaker 6: air and like hopefully good outcomes will happen. Like he's
Speaker 6: clearly taking like times, like a lighter rip that's like
Speaker 6: entered into his game in early incounts and you know,
Speaker 6: seeing his aggressive swings where like his bat speed spikes
Speaker 6: over like maybe more two strikes where he's trying to
Speaker 6: put them all in play like he's.
Speaker 5: Trying to sluck. Now.
Speaker 6: He doesn't like want to define his success that way,
Speaker 6: and that's something that he says has been like actively encouraged,
Speaker 6: like from you know, Showman and the Company for like
Speaker 6: the whole season, So like there's certainly approach element to it,
Speaker 6: but obviously he also added like a ton of bat
Speaker 6: speed in the off season was a result of, like
Speaker 6: he thinks, mostly the conditioning and getting stronger, but you know,
Speaker 6: that was something that clearly was intentional and he's clearly
Speaker 6: like seeing the results of that's given him just like
Speaker 6: more capability to make more out of like the contact
Speaker 6: that he you know, we obviously saw him starting to
Speaker 6: make a little bit last year, and his approach has
Speaker 6: only gotten better.
Speaker 5: He's chasing.
Speaker 6: He was already like a good like play discipline guy,
Speaker 6: but like he's been top ten with the lowest chase
Speaker 6: rate in baseball like all season. I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's like exactly there now, but I bet it's probably
Speaker 6: in that area. Like everything to him has like gotten
Speaker 6: a little bit better and made him more capable. Like, yes,
Speaker 6: he's a he's his approach has maybe shifted to maximize that,
Speaker 6: but that's because these skills have grown up where there's
Speaker 6: something to maximize, Like if he did this in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four, when it produced results, it's like building on
Speaker 6: top of like the pillars to his game that he's
Speaker 6: strengthened over the past two years.
Speaker 3: And I think the White Sox if Vargas it's another
Speaker 3: home run, Jim, I believe that would give him three
Speaker 3: players with twenty or more home.
Speaker 4: Runs before the All Star Break.
Speaker 3: And last time they did that was back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, so that's pretty special. As far as again,
Speaker 3: what's helping fuel this White Sox turnaround is the offense
Speaker 3: and especially especially in the slugging side. And I guess
Speaker 3: even from my perspective, I'm a bit surprised that Vargas
Speaker 3: already has nineteen home runs.
Speaker 4: He'd be great if he did get to thirty seven homers.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think that was even a possibility for him.
Speaker 4: And he's breaking all of the.
Speaker 3: Preseason computer projections. But at the preseason we were a
Speaker 3: bit unsure about Vargas's future with the White Sox. This
Speaker 3: was a big season for him for everyone to gain
Speaker 3: some confidence that, yeah, you can count on Vargas being
Speaker 3: part of the twenty twenty seven to twenty twenty eight plans. Now,
Speaker 3: after the first half of the season, and even after
Speaker 3: this big weekend against the Royals, are you more confident
Speaker 3: to write Vargas's name in pen for future roster construction.
Speaker 8: Oh certainly. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Before the season, he was a good player, like a
Speaker 7: solid player. I would call him a second division regular,
Speaker 7: and that like if he's starting for you, it's not terrible,
Speaker 7: but you could easily upgrade. And also he's hard to
Speaker 7: compliment on a roster, like he's not obvious platoon candidates.
Speaker 7: He's not especially strong defensively. He's you know, good at
Speaker 7: first base, I would say, but maybe doesn't hit like
Speaker 7: a first baseman.
Speaker 8: He was below average a third base and maybe didn't hit.
Speaker 7: So he's just kind of this like ordinary player who
Speaker 7: is a major leaguer in some fashion, but maybe not
Speaker 7: somebody can plan around. And like you said, like he's
Speaker 7: blowing away projections, even like the ninety ninth percentile projection
Speaker 7: in Pakoda nowhere close to what he's doing with the
Speaker 7: White Sox. So really their best case scenario did not
Speaker 7: see this coming. And that's one reason I think why.
Speaker 8: You know they're they have a winning record in first.
Speaker 7: Place when they had a single digits low single digits
Speaker 7: percentage of making the postseason according to projections. You know,
Speaker 7: with the White Sox probably likely drafting a shortstop of
Speaker 7: some kind number one overall, you know, you have some
Speaker 7: idea of like the infield might get crowded. But like
Speaker 7: as I wrote about the Minor Keys a couple of
Speaker 7: days ago, Caleb Bonomer is having a really rough defensive season,
Speaker 7: both at shortstop and third base. Like he's already matches
Speaker 7: air total with forty games fewer than forty games fewer
Speaker 7: than he had last year. So it's case of maybe
Speaker 7: it's like you know level or body, you know, athleticism,
Speaker 7: et cetera, that's uh, or maybe just you know, could
Speaker 7: be in defensive slump. But if he moves to first
Speaker 7: base or outfield, and all of a sudden, like there
Speaker 7: is an extra a couple of years where you need
Speaker 7: a third baseman and Vargas fits that bill. Uh, you know,
Speaker 7: Murakami only under contract for another year and we'll see
Speaker 7: what happens with that. But like you know, DHD first base,
Speaker 7: there's opening there so lots of room for him that
Speaker 7: maybe didn't anticipates even before you get to his production
Speaker 7: being you know, maybe the most valuable of the production
Speaker 7: of the White Sox, you know, not only in terms
Speaker 7: of war, Like maybe maybe Murakami's up there in terms
Speaker 7: of his impact on power when he's healthy, but right
Speaker 7: now he's not healthy, and Vargas is healthy and playing
Speaker 7: damn near every day. So yeah, he's got the case
Speaker 7: for the most valuable White Sox. And it's really interesting
Speaker 7: that like his name hasn't really come up when it
Speaker 7: comes to extensions. Like you hear all about, oh, they
Speaker 7: got to sign Mooney, they got to make sure they
Speaker 7: keep him around, like Colson, you know, what's his price,
Speaker 7: And you really haven't heard much about Vargas, but you
Speaker 7: look at the stat cast age and it's basically like
Speaker 7: all red aside from like some you know, fiftieth percent
Speaker 7: fortieth percent el for like defense, which is fine, like
Speaker 7: you know, otherwise he's killing it offensively.
Speaker 8: It's like really sturdy the way he's built this offensive profile.
Speaker 7: Certainly a personality that James has spoken about that people
Speaker 7: seem to gravitate around. He's like, guess, one of the
Speaker 7: centers of the clubhouse and kind of a bridge guy
Speaker 7: in the clubhouse given that.
Speaker 8: He's bilingual, so he's got that going for him.
Speaker 7: So, like, I'm surprised that you don't hear much about
Speaker 7: like extend Vargas the way that you do about a
Speaker 7: couple other guys and maybe just kind of snuck up
Speaker 7: on everybody. And it hasn't quite overwritten the kind of
Speaker 7: ordinary he was last year in the disaster he was
Speaker 7: yea two years ago that you know, it's you know,
Speaker 7: you have to update some priors, but yeah, it's he's
Speaker 7: you know, it's rock solid the offensive production, and now
Speaker 7: it's just a matter of like, is anybody gonna challenge him?
Speaker 8: And you have to get to.
Speaker 7: The point where you're teaming with shortstops in triple A,
Speaker 7: probably in order to consider moving Vargas off third base
Speaker 7: and figure out what to do with them or what
Speaker 7: to do with anybody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because with Vargas and Montgomery, to your point, Jim,
Speaker 3: they continued to raise the bar at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year, Like when the White Sox won the draft lottery,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, yeah, Rock Scholowski's got an easy path.
Speaker 3: He might be able to join the White Sox. Before
Speaker 3: the end of the twenty twenty sixth season, we have
Speaker 3: no idea what the White Sox have at shortened third
Speaker 3: and now it's like, oh, we have a very good
Speaker 3: understanding of what the White Sox have at short at third,
Speaker 3: they could have potential All Stars, like every year, could
Speaker 3: be part of the All Star conversation. Every year they're
Speaker 3: gonna hit thirty or more home runs. And to Colson's case,
Speaker 3: you know he's been playing. He had a tough series
Speaker 3: against the Royalist defensively, I thought this weekend, But for
Speaker 3: the most part, he's been very good defensively. And do
Speaker 3: any of us want to envision a future of the
Speaker 3: White Sox without Munataka Murakami And he's still got Sam
Speaker 3: Antonacchi and Chase my draft that second, Yeah, Jim, the
Speaker 3: bar continues to get raised for all these White Sox
Speaker 3: prospects with how well Miguel Vargas and Coles Montgomery have played.
Speaker 3: I just now I feel like Jim. If Fargas doesn't
Speaker 3: make the All Star team with the players voting, I
Speaker 3: then I'm going.
Speaker 4: To be angry.
Speaker 3: I am going to be angry about the All Star
Speaker 3: Game if Vargus is not on that team. Fair enough,
Speaker 3: I'll be angry if the White Sox just only have
Speaker 3: one representative period.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure many.
Speaker 6: Of you as well podcast investment reasons for that or
Speaker 6: oh I do not.
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 4: Do not have any prop bets. I'm going to lean
Speaker 4: off that because the Players Association doesn't want to James.
Speaker 5: To travel budget expends.
Speaker 3: Yes that, yes, it'd be great if James could talk
Speaker 3: to someone.
Speaker 5: You took it to level.
Speaker 4: That's true, I'm not crooked.
Speaker 3: Oh well, in our previous episode, when we previewed this
Speaker 3: series to the White Sox at Royals, we had a
Speaker 3: segment about guys who needed a big weekend against the Royals.
Speaker 4: So let's recap that.
Speaker 3: And this is a great way to set up the
Speaker 3: stage for Sir Anthony Domingus.
Speaker 4: James did. The White Sox didn't really need Domingus.
Speaker 3: On Friday, they didn't need much on Friday. Saturday, Grant
Speaker 3: Taylor was awesome. That's from the best we've seen Grant Taylor,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: And yeah, Sean.
Speaker 3: Newcome gave up a run. But you know that whole
Speaker 3: bridge from Davis Martin, Sean Newcome and Grant Taylor. I
Speaker 3: think it's probably the White Sox a game plan in
Speaker 3: closing out games. So on Sunday, Dimingus comes in, the
Speaker 3: White Sox are already down and he does pitch a
Speaker 3: scoreless inning. How did you feel about the way that
Speaker 3: he pitched on Sunday, And how did dimingus feel about
Speaker 3: that particular situation that he pitched in.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean he looked a bit better.
Speaker 6: He certainly wasn't falling behind as much, but yeah, it
Speaker 6: was more that I mean, he in some sense he
Speaker 6: pitched certainly as well as he had you know, over
Speaker 6: a week he struck up Bobby wit So that looker,
Speaker 6: and he certainly feeled uppy about that. But obviously the
Speaker 6: noteworthy part of it was that he came in the
Speaker 6: sixth inning. There's really no dressing it up as even
Speaker 6: like even medium leverage of what he entered into. And
Speaker 6: Zach Bob kind of said it before the game in
Speaker 6: a way that like we weren't sure, Like we asked
Speaker 6: like could he appear in lower leverage and he didn't
Speaker 6: like say like, yes, that's what's going to happen, But
Speaker 6: he's like, eh, maybe in a way that we're like, well,
Speaker 6: it was that kind of a wires cross thing. But
Speaker 6: then he appeared in the sixth and Will Venables said
Speaker 6: postgame like, yeah, we told him was coming earlier in
Speaker 6: the week, and Sir Anthony was around down with the
Speaker 6: you know, basically the same he confirmed the same version like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I got told it. It seems like I think like
Speaker 6: certainly anyone seen like the closer kind of complained or
Speaker 6: the reliever kind of complained at all about like I
Speaker 6: expect to be the closer as he did, though I
Speaker 6: thought he did it like an even handed fashion, like
Speaker 6: it was a surprise more than like I'm upset or
Speaker 6: like I demand making demands to be back. He like
Speaker 6: said multiple times like I'll do whatever it's needed for
Speaker 6: the team. He just kind of I thought was honest
Speaker 6: about being a little miffed, which I thought was like
Speaker 6: he's reading the situation correctly. He's not being used as
Speaker 6: a normal closer for this, I think, especially with the
Speaker 6: way he spoke after the blown save on Monday, he
Speaker 6: was very like, I have blown too straight saves. Sometimes
Speaker 6: it's not a good moment for me right now, And
Speaker 6: I think is what exactly what he said. He's responded
Speaker 6: in kind like, yeah, they used me low leverage after
Speaker 6: I blew like a couple saves. Like I think he's
Speaker 6: understanding it as something that you know, followed from his
Speaker 6: performance and accepted it. At least from what he said
Speaker 6: to us, is he's playing a good face about it,
Speaker 6: and you know, he went out there and performed, So
Speaker 6: I think he's handling it how he should be, or
Speaker 6: you know how you'd want handy one to be, like
Speaker 6: not to say what he should do. I think they're real,
Speaker 6: you know, thing that's still has to be resolved in
Speaker 6: or still provides anxiety. He's like, is he going to perform?
Speaker 6: Is he gonna be insistent, like talking to Bob ahead
Speaker 6: of time, like about his arm action and get him
Speaker 6: on time. Like yeah, he's you know, super mobile and
Speaker 6: and springy and like and loose and like this gives
Speaker 6: him like extension on his pitches and like can make
Speaker 6: like as part of why he throws hard and makes
Speaker 6: them good. But it's a little tricky to get this
Speaker 6: guy timed up. He can get out of whack kind
Speaker 6: of easily. And I think that's kind of reflected in
Speaker 6: Sir Anthony's career numbers for why you could scrutinize, like,
Speaker 6: all right, maybe the highs are going to be high,
Speaker 6: but he's never gonna necessarily be Is he ever gonna
Speaker 6: be necessarily this close or consistent like Rock who's like
Speaker 6: on his game for like six months straight. It's probably
Speaker 6: gonna be down periods with that side of a profile.
Speaker 6: They're betting on the stuff, And I get that from
Speaker 6: a you know, is this really ever going to be
Speaker 6: usable for two years philosophy? It's probably easier to you know,
Speaker 6: get this guy in a in a good space of
Speaker 6: command than it is to you know, bring back an
Speaker 6: old reliever lo his fastball, like that's kind of doesn't
Speaker 6: come back when it does.
Speaker 5: But are there gonna be these.
Speaker 6: Swings in his command that make him like just not
Speaker 6: eighth and ninth inning suitable for stretches of time? And
Speaker 6: are you going to want to grit them out for
Speaker 6: the sake of like the guy you can talk yourself
Speaker 6: into being a closer when he's on, or are you're
Speaker 6: gonna look at Grant Taylor and look like, hey, that
Speaker 6: looks pretty ready to go. Maybe that's who we're gonna
Speaker 6: use in the biggest moments. And the how flexible Venable
Speaker 6: is in his leverage use where he's often attacking the
Speaker 6: seventh or eighth like it is a save I think
Speaker 6: allows him to skirt by a little bit the idea
Speaker 6: of like a definition closer because he's already like throwing
Speaker 6: his best weapon too.
Speaker 5: The situation and he can turn and.
Speaker 6: Be like, yeah, it's the ninth for you, Sir Anthony,
Speaker 6: have at it back up the save when his clear
Speaker 6: preference for like his top right handed weapon still is
Speaker 6: visible to us and you know, to the team as well.
Speaker 6: That's maybe a long term concern if this is the
Speaker 6: they are taking it more of the immediate approach of like,
Speaker 6: let's get Sir Anthony right. This is ideally one of
Speaker 6: our four leverage arms. You know, Jordan Hicks looked pretty
Speaker 6: good the last couple of times out, Chris Murphy had
Speaker 6: been looking good as last few three four outings. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think you're still more like, is he gonna be?
Speaker 6: That's probably someone who are hoping graduates the medium leverage,
Speaker 6: not not even in this like kind of four person
Speaker 6: conversation just yet. But they it's not really settled. There's
Speaker 6: not a lot of obvious like here guys are going
Speaker 6: to lengthen out our leverage group. Getting Sir Anthony back
Speaker 6: is a project that they seemingly need to get grown
Speaker 6: right at some point, if only to make the situation
Speaker 6: tenable in terms of like having another year and a
Speaker 6: half of like wanting to get value out of this
Speaker 6: guy who signed to be a closer. Looks like a
Speaker 6: step forward for that. As many wide ranging scenarios and
Speaker 6: you know, variables, I just threw into analyzing the four
Speaker 6: hitters he faced on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Grant Talor only threw one ball, right, like what nineteen
Speaker 3: strikeouts or eighteen strikeout?
Speaker 6: Nineteen strikes? I think it was like fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 6: because I remember like in the press box going no,
Speaker 6: and it was like sixteen and nothing. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: he was on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, strikes not strikeouts.
Speaker 3: I apologize, Jim, your guy, your victor click to have
Speaker 3: a big weekend against the Royals was Chase my draft,
Speaker 3: and my draft had a huge Friday. He had four
Speaker 3: hits and he walked. He went six for twelve against
Speaker 3: Boyles with two walks. That doubles his walk total from
Speaker 3: his last fifteen games. So I view this as good
Speaker 3: signs from Chase my draft this weekend, Jim, and hopefully
Speaker 3: he gets on a roll. What did you think about
Speaker 3: my draft this weekend?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's striking out way more than he should.
Speaker 7: And you know, it wouldn't be the first time that
Speaker 7: somebody had an adjustment that.
Speaker 8: Was working for him and started not working for him.
Speaker 7: But still with some results to where when do you
Speaker 7: start changing back versus when do you you know, keep
Speaker 7: hacking through and you know figure out like where the
Speaker 7: limit actually is. And you know you saw him, I guess,
Speaker 7: easing up more, you know, using more of the whole field,
Speaker 7: not swinging missing so much. So that's probably more of
Speaker 7: his game, is you know, moving the ball around.
Speaker 8: Certainly you don't want to do that on.
Speaker 7: A one zero count, you know, settling for opsonfield singles, Like,
Speaker 7: you know, there's a balance still to strike. He's gotten
Speaker 7: enough from these first eighty one games to where like
Speaker 7: there's something here with hitting for more power and really
Speaker 7: making himself a credible starting second basement on a good team,
Speaker 7: to where like he shouldn't.
Speaker 5: Give it up.
Speaker 7: But yeah, probably a little bit of like toggling some
Speaker 7: some dials a little bit to understand, you know, how
Speaker 7: much can I possibly get out of the power game
Speaker 7: and then how much is my swing miss actually costing me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Friday was a very impressive game. Great bounce back
Speaker 3: by my draw. Then I think he even told you
Speaker 3: James as well in the post game that he worked
Speaker 3: with Derek Showman the White Sox hitting coach, just to
Speaker 3: work on some mental things, waiting for the ball to
Speaker 3: get deeper in the zone to make better contact than
Speaker 3: what his plan was in the previous fifteen games where
Speaker 3: he was in a slump.
Speaker 6: Just like kind of I think his season, especially the
Speaker 6: first like success and he had in May, was about
Speaker 6: like opening up and trying to drive the ball a
Speaker 6: bit more and accepting more swing and miss. This is
Speaker 6: catching the ball out front of with that too, to
Speaker 6: elevate it. I think this is a bit more recalibrating
Speaker 6: towards the contact. Shoot the ball to the right field
Speaker 6: version of my drop we've seen before. And it's not
Speaker 6: like he's giving up on slugging ways and he's come back.
Speaker 5: He's straight and it will never go away again.
Speaker 6: It was more just like, sure, all right, maybe I've
Speaker 6: gone too far to one end a little bit, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to do back to basics to get some
Speaker 6: feelings that I'm used to at the plate. So that's
Speaker 6: generally the tone he was striking. I don't think it's
Speaker 6: going to be like he'll never swing hard again. He's
Speaker 6: sworn it off for good.
Speaker 4: My vig was Jacob Gonzalez. He had a big Friday
Speaker 4: he went three for four with a home run. He
Speaker 4: had five RBIs in that game, and he had a
Speaker 4: walkoff hit on Saturday.
Speaker 3: But I winna Tako Murakami sounds like he's running at
Speaker 3: eighty five percent capacity right now, and if Munataka Murakami
Speaker 3: gets healthier, could be rejoining the White Sox sooner than later.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the White Sox do with Jacob Gonzalez.
Speaker 3: I think this has been a nice cup of coffee
Speaker 3: for Gonzales, so that if Murakami does rejoin the team,
Speaker 3: if Gonzales goes back to Charlotte, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: there are some things offensively to be a little bit
Speaker 3: more consistent that he could work on, especially on pitches up.
Speaker 4: In the zone.
Speaker 3: But for a while I was thinking, guys that this
Speaker 3: was going to be a bust. This was going to
Speaker 3: be a first round pick that was never going to
Speaker 3: reach the major leagues. And I give a lot of
Speaker 3: credit to Gonzales for keeping up with it and making
Speaker 3: the adjustments. Jim, I know you've seen him more in
Speaker 3: action than I have, and to be able to provide
Speaker 3: these positive results. It's not just in Charlotte this year.
Speaker 3: With the amount of home runs that he had, but
Speaker 3: still having these moments as well in the major league
Speaker 3: level with the White Sox. I've been impressed in the
Speaker 3: turnaround of Jabon Gonzalez this season.
Speaker 8: H Yeah, question for James.
Speaker 7: When Gonzalez is going into his hitting mechanics, was he
Speaker 7: talking to you or is he talking to everybody?
Speaker 5: Everybody?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what was surprising when I talked to him
Speaker 7: in Charlotte the first time, like I'd never met him before,
Speaker 7: Like he was getting detailed, uh with me in a
Speaker 7: way that like a lot of guys don't see a
Speaker 7: lot of guys will make offhand just kind of general
Speaker 7: references to made some changes, and then you have to see,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of follow up with a question two
Speaker 7: to see how much they're willing to divulge, or how
Speaker 7: much they're they have a vocabulary for it, or how
Speaker 7: much they really care about, you know, giving information to
Speaker 7: me specifically a guy they just met. And Yeah, Gonzalez
Speaker 7: without like prompting, really detailed and telling me like what
Speaker 7: he was doing with his weight, especially at that point,
Speaker 7: it was more about, you know, keep trying to keep
Speaker 7: his weight back in his direction and the battle between
Speaker 7: uh going too far to right field and trying to
Speaker 7: feel comfortable with that, and I was, yeah, I was
Speaker 7: really surprised that he was uh so forthcoming, And yeah,
Speaker 7: just seems like his default mode to open up whenever
Speaker 7: somebody asked him a question, which could be worrisome in
Speaker 7: a way, like the Paul Kinerko strain of constant tinkering
Speaker 7: or constant like never feeling comfortable and hating it. But
Speaker 7: certainly it seems like this year has been the one where,
Speaker 7: like the the changes of changes have stuck and there's
Speaker 7: actually been you know, the the kind of power, least
Speaker 7: quality of contact that was expected from him on draft day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he likes physical demos.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: Like, well he'll he'll, he'll min it out and Okay,
Speaker 6: it's mostly like swing but like in Detroit, uh you
Speaker 6: know with his throw home and like he's sitting he's
Speaker 6: standing like in this scrum and like all these like
Speaker 6: dejected teammates are in the chairs around him, and he's like,
Speaker 6: mind me out, like being up in the air to
Speaker 6: get the and like throwing home and how much time
Speaker 6: it would take if he got down and had to
Speaker 6: fire and why he like just did it right off
Speaker 6: the bat. And he's like reaching things, almost touching the ceiling,
Speaker 6: and it's like this is very involved. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 6: I still know like how you got to this decision,
Speaker 6: but like I kind of do, like you've walked me
Speaker 6: through every step of it and now it has like
Speaker 6: more credibility just because like you drew it out to
Speaker 6: this degree. So yeah, he's enjoyable.
Speaker 5: And I mean he just.
Speaker 6: Did the thing on Saturday where he explained like why
Speaker 6: he Chase My drop was like basically in his batter's
Speaker 6: eye and the ball is coming out of nowhere. You know,
Speaker 6: you you talked about like Paul can earic really like
Speaker 6: I think it's not because it's not like super ponderous.
Speaker 6: It's just very matter of fact in a way that's
Speaker 6: like not he didn't. He doesn't have like a hundred
Speaker 6: words to tell you about why. Like the the like
Speaker 6: the release point of John Schreiber was like in Chase's
Speaker 6: Mitroosh Jersey and kind of move over. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he was taking a small lead, so you know, I
Speaker 6: just waved him over. Yeah, it seemed like the thing
Speaker 6: to do. It's like have you ever done that before?
Speaker 6: It's like I guess not like he thought to do
Speaker 6: that in the middle of games, like, well, I couldn't
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 5: So he's like very like just direct to communicator as pragmatic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also kind of funny his walk off, they'd
Speaker 3: be like, this is my first walk off ever. I
Speaker 3: thought that was a great postgame press walk off.
Speaker 5: Sack flies, walk off crowd, never walk off it.
Speaker 8: So he had the.
Speaker 7: RBI ground out highlight. Right is his draft season right
Speaker 7: the White Sox shirt?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that the line about like this
Speaker 6: is my favorite birthday, well other than other than the
Speaker 6: first one.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well again, a good weekend for the White Sox.
Speaker 3: Sure they had a chance to sweep the Royal Sales,
Speaker 3: had a chance to sweep the Guardians, but in a
Speaker 3: surprise of all surprise seasons for the Chicago White Sox
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six to go four and against the
Speaker 3: Visual Bonits in their home stand.
Speaker 4: That got the job done.
Speaker 2: Howard, my husband fell at a construction site.
Speaker 3: I knew it wasn't safe.
Speaker 1: And Akin Lack, we're one of the largest filers of workers'
Speaker 1: compensation claims in the state. If you've been hurt on
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Speaker 1: mistake called three one two six million.
Speaker 3: Now the Chicago White Sox head out east to the
Speaker 3: Baltimore to Baltimore, Maryland to face the Baltimore Orioles and
Speaker 3: the American League East. If you are not the New
Speaker 3: York Yankees or the tam Bay Rays, this season is
Speaker 3: going to hell fast. The Orioles are thirty nine and
Speaker 3: forty six. They're fourth place in the American League East.
Speaker 3: There are eleven games back of first place. The only
Speaker 3: reason why they have any hope is that there are
Speaker 3: only four teams in the American League with a winning record,
Speaker 3: so they're three games back at the wild card right now.
Speaker 4: Even though they lost.
Speaker 3: Their last two games, they are four and six in
Speaker 3: their last ten. Of course, like many teams in Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball, they do have a winning record at home.
Speaker 3: They are twenty three and twenty one at Camden Yards.
Speaker 3: And for the season series, if you recall, the Baltimore
Speaker 3: Orioles swept the Chicago White Sox at Rate Field, and
Speaker 3: we'll talk a little bit more about that. The White
Speaker 3: Sox have lost nine consecutive games against the Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 3: Your probable pitchers for this series. Monday nights five, thirty
Speaker 3: pm Central Time. Sean Burke will take the ball for
Speaker 3: the White Sox against Shane Baz Tuesday night, Eric Betty,
Speaker 3: unless the White Sox have an opener, could be Trey
Speaker 3: Gibson will take the ball for the Orioles. And then
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, if you are working, this is a very
Speaker 3: early start eleven thirty.
Speaker 4: Five am Central Time.
Speaker 3: It is the two B determined verse two B determined
Speaker 3: pitching matchup for the White Sox and Orioles. We'll get
Speaker 3: into that pitching matchup in a moment, but Jim for
Speaker 3: me coming into this series and it's one of those
Speaker 3: that just sneaks up on you and just how poor
Speaker 3: I mean, the White Sox have played everyone poorly the
Speaker 3: last three years, but especially Baltimore, having lost nine straight
Speaker 3: games against the Orioles. What makes Baltimore so tough for
Speaker 3: the White Sox gym.
Speaker 7: I looked into this because I was, you know, kind
Speaker 7: of got into a rabbit hole. They went seven to
Speaker 7: zero against Baltimore in twenty twenty one and are five
Speaker 7: and twenty four since. So it's like you start with
Speaker 7: like regression. Uh, first of all, you know, really painful regression.
Speaker 7: So start there, you have like they played a lot
Speaker 7: of their games in September when the White Sox have
Speaker 7: traded their good players and kind of out of gas.
Speaker 7: The Orioles are playing for something the White Sox are not,
Speaker 7: so like it is a incentives maybe are mismatched.
Speaker 8: So you have that.
Speaker 7: Getting in the formula. But I think, you know, if
Speaker 7: you separate that out, I think probably the biggest factor
Speaker 7: is the Orioles. I think you know, they've hadn't necessarily
Speaker 7: had like the the deepest rotation, but they've gotten by
Speaker 7: with like bullpens and like high octanded arms.
Speaker 8: And I think the White Sox have just been.
Speaker 7: Easy to game plan around, like in the past several years,
Speaker 7: just because they don't have left handed hitters, or they
Speaker 7: have a very you know, outdated information that they're working
Speaker 7: with or you know, training, et cetera, to where just
Speaker 7: late game matchups are if not shooting fish in a barrel,
Speaker 7: just very easy to kind of plan around in pregame
Speaker 7: meetings and not really have to diverge from. And the
Speaker 7: reconfiguration of Camden Yards also didn't help. Like if you
Speaker 7: have right hand power and then you make left field
Speaker 7: like four hundred feet deeper, They've hit like one homer there,
Speaker 7: I think in the last three years, so like they
Speaker 7: haven't been able to hit homers with the right handed
Speaker 7: hitters at that park. And so if you're hitting fly
Speaker 7: balls that aren't like if you have Andrew Vaughan pre
Speaker 7: Milwaukee form to where like he just he's not gonna
Speaker 7: hit four hundred and forty foot blasts like he hits
Speaker 7: tends to be like well struck fly balls that you land.
Speaker 8: Three rows deep. You know, he's not rewarded for that
Speaker 8: in that park.
Speaker 7: And then you just kind of go on and on
Speaker 7: and on. So I think it's just kind of a
Speaker 7: confluence of factors. But I think just probably the you know,
Speaker 7: what I'm most looking forward to with this series is,
Speaker 7: you know, one seeing like the Will Venerable versus Craig
Speaker 7: Albernas matchups, since Alburnez.
Speaker 1: Was a.
Speaker 7: Not quite finals so I guess he took himself out
Speaker 7: of the running before he got to that point, but
Speaker 7: the White Sox were interested in him, and I think
Speaker 7: alburn has said no, h So you have that as
Speaker 7: a little bit of intrigue. But also just with how
Speaker 7: frenetic Venerable is with mixing and matching and pinch hitting,
Speaker 7: Will that make a difference when you have left handed
Speaker 7: hitters who can counteract right a handed pitchers, and then
Speaker 7: you have right handed hitters who can when you bring
Speaker 7: the lefty, you have an answer for them. Will that
Speaker 7: make a difference in how these games haven't folded versus
Speaker 7: the last three years?
Speaker 3: And then four that Wednesday Pitchy matchup the morning special
Speaker 3: to be determined for the White Sox. James, is this
Speaker 3: going to be another Bullbend game? Or could we see
Speaker 3: the return of Noah Schultz?
Speaker 6: You will see the return of Noah Schultz. Like they
Speaker 6: can't officially say it, they've all but said it. There
Speaker 6: starts the slot. Last look, they literally had the rehab
Speaker 6: in the Salem started the same day. They wouldn't have
Speaker 6: sent Salem down if there was any real doubt in
Speaker 6: their mind that shows will be ready.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be Schultz.
Speaker 4: Okay, what should we expect from Schultz?
Speaker 5: I guess?
Speaker 3: I mean, are they going to hope that he can
Speaker 3: go at least five innings?
Speaker 6: I imagine he'd be in the eighty five to ninety territory.
Speaker 6: I think an It's seen by Anthony Kay on Sunday
Speaker 6: is dictated by performance. You can't just force someone to
Speaker 6: the five inning finish line, and generally just this management
Speaker 6: group as coaching staff is not just going to be
Speaker 6: forcing a struggling pitcher a third times with the order. Sure,
Speaker 6: so I think that governor would be on it. But
Speaker 6: as far as like building off like fifteen to twenty
Speaker 6: from his last time out, when I talked to Noah
Speaker 6: right before he went out and rehab, one was I
Speaker 6: guess the testament to him feeling healthy that he like
Speaker 6: was just talking about pitches he was working on more
Speaker 6: than like my repeated like so you're feeling all right
Speaker 6: follow ups, But he was trying to work on kind
Speaker 6: of a different version of a sweeper that would be
Speaker 6: more vertical and does play better to right handers. That
Speaker 6: he's shown the ability to kind of vary up shapes
Speaker 6: of his slider in the past, trying to get back
Speaker 6: to that he wants he's got the four seamer to
Speaker 6: the add the north part of adding north south to
Speaker 6: his east west attack.
Speaker 5: He needs something that's south.
Speaker 6: They're hoping the slider takes that burden up by showing
Speaker 6: some ability to make it kind of like what anything
Speaker 6: K was able to do to be better against right handers.
Speaker 6: Obviously not a recent great example, but he's got kind
Speaker 6: of a more true slider version of the sweeper that
Speaker 6: he turns out to the opposite hand hitters. Seems like
Speaker 6: Schultz kind of going after the same thing, but it's
Speaker 6: also kind of shown it in the past, and it's
Speaker 6: more just kind of getting him right and figuring out
Speaker 6: how to throw it now that is me is hopefully
Speaker 6: not going to bother him going forward.
Speaker 5: So that's how that plays.
Speaker 6: The right handers would be the thing to watch to
Speaker 6: cover out.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, so I'm going to look forward to
Speaker 3: White Sox fans that Wednesday morning start with Noah Schultz
Speaker 3: taking the ball right before the White Sox head to
Speaker 3: Cleveland for a very important four game series over the
Speaker 3: fourth of July weekend. We'll see what the weather is
Speaker 3: like in Cleveland as we are all getting heat warnings
Speaker 3: in Chicago as a big heat dome is rolling through.
Speaker 3: So probably good thing that the White Sox are not
Speaker 3: at home this upcoming week. And before we conclude, as
Speaker 3: far as his series wrap and also this episode of
Speaker 3: the podcast who Needs a Big Series against Baltimore Jim,
Speaker 3: I'll start with you, who's your pick to click who
Speaker 3: is when you'll be watching these three games against the Orioles.
Speaker 7: Feels like Colson Montgomery is every other series at this point,
Speaker 7: So just that seems like this is his time to
Speaker 7: be on.
Speaker 4: That's that is a good one.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Tristan Peters if the White Sox
Speaker 3: are gonna be relying on these left handed hitters, If
Speaker 3: Tristan can provide those big hits, especially lad in games,
Speaker 3: try and hit the ball as hard as possible, could
Speaker 3: that be the difference in this series for the White Sox.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling we could be seen some high
Speaker 3: scoring games between the Orioles and White Sox this week. James,
Speaker 3: do you got one who needs a big series for
Speaker 3: the White Sox against the Orioles.
Speaker 6: I mean, the White Sox could certainly need Schultz to
Speaker 6: do well to stabilize their rotation, and they've kind of
Speaker 6: obviously made this choice to option Sandlin kind of banking
Speaker 6: on you Schultz is gonna hit the ground running or
Speaker 6: less and maybe uh Sunday was a reminder of like
Speaker 6: what it looks like when K's not on is a
Speaker 6: little bit of reiterating the need for another person to emerge,
Speaker 6: as like an above average consistent starter, Like they're kind
Speaker 6: of really heavily protected, like Fetti obviously was a more
Speaker 6: effective June, but it was kind of a heavily managed
Speaker 6: and how it was effective. They're multiple outings where they
Speaker 6: pull them shy of five innings, Like they're really kind
Speaker 6: of targeted like where they use him, and it's not
Speaker 6: a lot of third trips to the order, and it's
Speaker 6: certainly not going to be against lefties, So you're gonna
Speaker 6: need the other sides. You have Davis Martin, who you've
Speaker 6: been trying to like give extra rest to, you know,
Speaker 6: in light of how many innings he logged at the
Speaker 6: start of the season. So having someone else who's delivering
Speaker 6: six innings on a regular basis certainly very necessary. I
Speaker 6: know we just said Schultz, but I think that it's
Speaker 6: not so much he needs because I think personally Schultz,
Speaker 6: he's kind of like one of the comparisons of Randy
Speaker 6: Johnson would have is that there's a very long window
Speaker 6: for Schultz to be awesome. He is like an outlier frame,
Speaker 6: like he scuffled this whole year. I don't think it
Speaker 6: would mean like his profile is never gonna work or
Speaker 6: even be like impact. You know, he's ahead of schedule
Speaker 6: in many respects. Still, so the White Sox could really
Speaker 6: use like No Schultz, like taking the ball and run
Speaker 6: running with it going forward, like he's got a lot
Speaker 6: of potential to help them in an area where they
Speaker 6: really need the most help, you know, going into.
Speaker 3: The deadline, especially because when even though Sean Berke and
Speaker 3: Eric Eric Fetti are starting this series, they're going to
Speaker 3: have to start the Saturday and Sunday games against Cleveland
Speaker 3: right now unless the White Sox have other ideas in mind.
Speaker 3: This is a big week for the White Sox, seven
Speaker 3: straight games, no days off.
Speaker 4: We'll see on how they fare.
Speaker 3: We'll have our next Sox Machine podcast episode recapping this
Speaker 3: series between the White Sox and Orioles on Wednesday nights,
Speaker 3: and also look ahead to that very important fourth of
Speaker 3: July series between the White Sox and Guardians. But that
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