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Speaker 1: Hi, welcome back to just be with Bethany. So I

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Speaker 1: choose to find meaning, what choice do you have if

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Speaker 1: to say, like, what is the meaning something? This has

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Speaker 1: Is it less to proficiality? Is it health and reflection?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not belittling people's experience. I just meet when

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Speaker 1: this conversation. What's up, Isaac? Oh, Hello, Bethany, how are you?

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Speaker 1: He's right about that. I was just thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: Christopher Renstrom. Christopher was my best friend and his his

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do this for these people who couldn't

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Speaker 1: do it for themselves. You know, that's exactly what he's

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Speaker 1: saying to he needs he owes. It's everybody exactly. For

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Speaker 1: the last question, you are a housewife or a mom

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Speaker 1: I love jeans, but I don't think everyone needs to

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Speaker 1: But I love you know, I love like like if

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Speaker 1: or or or Katherine Hepburn or Katherine like either of

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Speaker 1: the Hepburn's right, I would either be in like skinny

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Speaker 1: wonderful nit. They don't have to be you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: they don't have to be a woven fabric, so it's

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Speaker 1: such an easy silhouette. I love that little ankle cute

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Speaker 1: but it's sophisticated and you're described describing elegance in class.

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Speaker 1: word burn. Okay, I like the word you should start

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Speaker 1: a subline. So you are amazing, and I'm just grateful

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Speaker 1: because I say, to the people that I have on

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Speaker 1: valuable than money, So I appreciate it greatly. And you

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Speaker 1: going there and you being so transparent because this really

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Speaker 1: that I have so good luck with everything and stay

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Speaker 1: in touch and thank you for taking my calls when

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Speaker 1: I ask you about advice. So that was different and

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Speaker 1: interesting and amazing. I know Isaac, I mean I know

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Speaker 1: him through sort of somewhat being out and about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we just are aware of each other. I did a

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Speaker 1: you can see he's very interesting. He's had a very

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Speaker 1: colorful and such an unpredictable and difficult to explain life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't like the word journey, maybe because

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Speaker 1: he's been on the craziest one I can then think of.

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Speaker 1: But I like that I keep bringing people here that

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Speaker 1: offers something different, you know. So he has a take

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Speaker 1: mean now, um, even just a little bit of fashion

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Speaker 1: advice as to what people should wear. Um. But definitely

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Speaker 1: he has his own business philosophy and he has obviously

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Speaker 1: had a non traditional route, and so you're kind of

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Speaker 1: never gonna get something that you expect here. Each time

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Speaker 1: it's going to be someone different that is undoubtedly succeeded

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Speaker 1: in business, but in all different businesses. So understand that

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Speaker 1: whoever I have on here, you're going to learn something

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Speaker 1: from them, and that you can be whoever you want

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Speaker 1: to be in your business. So that's what's very liberating

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Speaker 1: about all this. So please rate review and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: just be with Bethany, because we're doing so incredibly well

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Speaker 1: because of you and I think about you every day

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it so much and loving this so

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Just Be is hosted and executive

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Speaker 1: produced by me Bethany Frankel be Real Productions and Endeavor Content.

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Speaker 1: Our Managing producer is Samantha Allison, and our producer is

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Speaker 1: Caroline Hamilton's. Corey Proventer is our consulting producer, with the

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Speaker 1: ever faithful Sarah Katanac as our assistant producer. Our Development

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