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Speaker 1: Onto the show. We're talking about Dr Odds um And
Speaker 1: as we left the last episode off, he had just
Speaker 1: you know, gotten Oprah right, Uh, started his TV career,
Speaker 1: got an opera hard Um, so he started his TV career,
Speaker 1: and he also starts right around the same time he
Speaker 1: gets on TV for the first time. He starts a
Speaker 1: daily morning radio show on Oprah Winfrey's Serious x M channel.
Speaker 1: Never a good idea, Serious x M, No terrible idea.
Speaker 1: What is it about giving people three hours of an
Speaker 1: interrupted airtime? You know, there's just something about it. I
Speaker 1: I you know, this is an opinion that's pretty controversial
Speaker 1: within I heart radio. I think radio should be illegal, um.
Speaker 1: And I think it should be a felony, punished by
Speaker 1: prison time for for being on the radio or having
Speaker 1: a radio. Thinking about the radio, I think the only
Speaker 1: form of entertainment that should be legal is specifically my podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah podcast and yes, yeah, and and there should legally
Speaker 1: only be one Sopranos podcast allowed, which, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: is the case. So I think if we, if we
Speaker 1: could get Chuck Schumer's ear, we can make this happen. Um.
Speaker 1: We will tack this onto the pot bill, no one
Speaker 1: will notice. So Dr Oz has the Doctor Oz Show.
Speaker 1: He's got a radio show on winfries S x M
Speaker 1: channel where he covers very scientific topics like how God
Speaker 1: changes your brain and the happiest people in the world.
Speaker 1: Now I found a new York Times article that was
Speaker 1: written just a few months into his tenure with his
Speaker 1: TV show, kind of at the start of his his
Speaker 1: burst into stardom. Um and the interviewer who talked to
Speaker 1: Oz for this article seems as impressed as everyone always
Speaker 1: is by the manic, somewhat in human pace at which
Speaker 1: memot Oz works. By this point, he'd also written six
Speaker 1: books with titles like You the Smart Patient, You on
Speaker 1: a Diet, and You Having a Baby. It's like the
Speaker 1: series The Cole and whatever. And he co writes these
Speaker 1: books with another doctor. I can't tell you how much
Speaker 1: of the writing was a lot of times. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this is the case with Dr Oz because he's
Speaker 1: a wild workaholic, but a lot of times, when you
Speaker 1: have a guy that's his kind of famous and they
Speaker 1: write a bunch of books, they write like ten percent
Speaker 1: of the book and they have someone else, a co
Speaker 1: author or a ghost writer, do the rest. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the case here. There's one dam who's
Speaker 1: writing most of Good Will Hunting, and then there's a
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck who gets top book, and I I do
Speaker 1: believe Matt Damon writes most of his books. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: nine million copies of his various titles are in print
Speaker 1: by this point, like the first year of his show,
Speaker 1: So he is he is a very wealthy and successful
Speaker 1: man pretty much out the gate like money. Getting the
Speaker 1: start on Oprah kind of guarantees it. Basically, if Oprah
Speaker 1: likes you, um enough to put you on her show
Speaker 1: more than once, you're going to get rich. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just should have spent my my youth
Speaker 1: trying to get on Oprah. We all should have. Well,
Speaker 1: so um Dr Oz gets a semi regular column for
Speaker 1: Time magazine because again they see this guy get famous
Speaker 1: and like, we gotta get some of that Oprah money too.
Speaker 1: We get this guy on Time, people will start reading
Speaker 1: Time again and yeah, it's interesting. They give him a column, um,
Speaker 1: And in two thousand eight they included him on their
Speaker 1: list of the world's most one hundred most influential people.
Speaker 1: So before they hire him to a column, they call
Speaker 1: him one of the world's most influential people. And as
Speaker 1: soon as he gets listed as one of the hundred
Speaker 1: most influential people on the planet, Dr Oz calls his
Speaker 1: dad right like finally, Yeah, this has gotta be the thing.
Speaker 1: How could he not be impressed by this. Am I
Speaker 1: enough for you, Papa. So when he tells his dad,
Speaker 1: his dad's first question is what numbers? How are you?
Speaker 1: And this is not a ranked thing, like it's not
Speaker 1: the top hundred, like going to one. It's just like
Speaker 1: these hundred people are all very Yeah, it's not a
Speaker 1: listical um. But doctor Oz in this interview, seemed to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that the fact that his dad reacted that way
Speaker 1: said a lot about both you know his dad and
Speaker 1: about their relationship. He told an interviewer, quote, he wants
Speaker 1: to know what number? Are you kidding me? There are
Speaker 1: six billion people on the planet. It's a rounding error. God,
Speaker 1: But but like, but like what number? Though? How high
Speaker 1: are you? Motherfucker? Are you? You're basically me? Yeah. So
Speaker 1: that interviewer, along with The New York Times, wrote quote,
Speaker 1: it's also the kind of thing that goads the sun
Speaker 1: to climb mountain after mountain, seldom pausing to enjoy the view.
Speaker 1: The Good Doctor did admit to engaging in a number
Speaker 1: of time saving measures over the years. He did numerous
Speaker 1: columns which were often just recycled from other columns or
Speaker 1: chunks of his books. He provide the same list of
Speaker 1: skin moisturizing or metabolism boosting tips and different magazines or
Speaker 1: online articles. Even so, his workload was enormous. The Doctorage
Speaker 1: Show was instantly one of the most popular shows on
Speaker 1: the planet, and memit was contracted to record a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five hour long episodes per year, which is
Speaker 1: a fucking brutal work schedule on its own, and the
Speaker 1: man continued to practice as a surgeon, albeit at a
Speaker 1: reduced rate. The New York Times interviewer who visited him
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten seemed to find his behavior and
Speaker 1: kind of his compulsive workaholism somewhat unsettling. I never saw
Speaker 1: him without a portable larder of baggies, plastic containers and
Speaker 1: thermosis of food and drink, and all of it, every crumb,
Speaker 1: every drop was healthful low fat Greek yogurt mixed with
Speaker 1: brightly colored berries, spinach slaw, raw almonds, raw walnuts soaked
Speaker 1: in water to amplify their nutritional benefit, a dark green
Speaker 1: concoction of juices from vegetables and cuting, including cucumber and parsley.
Speaker 1: Roughly every forty five to sixty minutes, as if on cue,
Speaker 1: he would ingest something from his movable buffet, but only
Speaker 1: a little bit his Porsche, and assiduously regulated like an intravening,
Speaker 1: like an intravenous drip of nutrition. It was the most efficient,
Speaker 1: joyless eating I have ever seen. That is so weird.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it's so uncomfortable to just He's cool, dude,
Speaker 1: Like that's you know, he's living life in the in
Speaker 1: the most drab way possible, just trying to just trying
Speaker 1: to make TV shows and do heart surgeries. You know,
Speaker 1: who has time to enjoy anything when you're dead? And
Speaker 1: efficient evening eating He's like, I don't eat or drink
Speaker 1: anything that I would enjoy. Yeah, you're welcome. That's just
Speaker 1: so unsettling. I mean, you know what, I have known
Speaker 1: a couple of people in my life's all very skinny,
Speaker 1: who have told me like I just don't really like eating, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some foods that I prefer to others, but I
Speaker 1: just don't really enjoy it one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Like I've know, like some of those people wound up
Speaker 1: on the soilent thing, and I guess, like, I mean, yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: it's like it's whatever. You know, it's your life. You
Speaker 1: want food, eat monkey food. But don't be surprised when
Speaker 1: I judge, you know, yeah, like it's uh, that's weird.
Speaker 1: At the start, the Doctor Oz Show was broadly inoffensive
Speaker 1: from a medical perspective. He gave a lot of fairly good,
Speaker 1: common sense health advice health advice, and provided a lot
Speaker 1: of people with a friendly medical face willing to explain
Speaker 1: things their doctors might not have the time or the
Speaker 1: bedside manner to properly lay out. But Oz's fascination with
Speaker 1: alternative medicine was present from the beginning, and as time
Speaker 1: went on, he veered more and more in that direction,
Speaker 1: following both the topics that consistently drew the most viewers
Speaker 1: and the topics that were easiest to put together, because
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy five hours of content a year
Speaker 1: is a lot. I mean really though, Like at some
Speaker 1: point you run out of ship to talk about and
Speaker 1: you have to just be like, uh, pendulums over the
Speaker 1: heart do they work? Yeah? Yeah? Punching people in the dick?
Speaker 1: Could it? What? I mean? You know, we we have
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know how much content we have
Speaker 1: to do per year, fifty two weeks, two hours a week.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we we do like a hundred and ten maybe,
Speaker 1: like with some of the episodes that go over a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty hours of content here for this show,
Speaker 1: and that's a lot um a hundred seventy five hours
Speaker 1: of video content. Is he like, you can't. There's there's
Speaker 1: not that much good and also entertaining medical advice that
Speaker 1: you can give in a year, let alone every single year.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like there's only so many organs to
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, after a while, you just got
Speaker 1: to invent ship. Yeah, And it's this thing. It's this
Speaker 1: kind of this inevitable churn of capitalism leading us all
Speaker 1: into this this specific kind of nonsense because you can't
Speaker 1: not have content legally you're contracted to. But also you
Speaker 1: have this whole team of people whose ability to pay
Speaker 1: their rent and whose ability to to to afford their
Speaker 1: homes to keep their kids in school is dependent upon
Speaker 1: you doing this show outside of just the fact that
Speaker 1: he's rich, Like like, he's fine, but he like, it's
Speaker 1: this thing. You have to keep putting out the thing,
Speaker 1: and you will never have enough meaningful ship to put
Speaker 1: out to do it. So you start, in his case,
Speaker 1: doing nonsense about mediums and ship and in our case
Speaker 1: doing episodes about Dr Oz. When you run out of bastards,
Speaker 1: eventually you just gotta find one on tea. We're not
Speaker 1: out of bastards. But like last week, I spent thirty
Speaker 1: hours reading about the protocols of the Elders Zion. I
Speaker 1: needed an off with you know God, that is that
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite, absolutely real documents to read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we brought you on. Actually, yeah, I'm actually
Speaker 1: one of the Elders of Zion and I got some
Speaker 1: protocols for you. Oh good times. So for an example
Speaker 1: of the kind of nonsense creep, I guess you'd call
Speaker 1: it that. Like advanced upon his show. In March of
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, Doctor Oz did a show titled Medium
Speaker 1: Versus Medicine. Oz's guest was a psychic who claimed she
Speaker 1: could communicate with the dead. This was one of several,
Speaker 1: and by this point probably dozens of episodes dedicated to
Speaker 1: people who claimed to talk to the dead. Energy healing was,
Speaker 1: you know, on the fringe, certainly, but at least it
Speaker 1: was something that when he started doing it, there were
Speaker 1: scientific studies saying there might be something to it. Those
Speaker 1: studies have since been to to a large extent discredited.
Speaker 1: But when he started doing that, there was some evidence
Speaker 1: it was a thing to try. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: completely out of left field. People were at least testing
Speaker 1: at episodes on mediums. Talking to the dead is well
Speaker 1: outside of plausible deniability territory, right, Like, you're just doing
Speaker 1: nonsense at this point. You know, it depends how they're talking.
Speaker 1: If you go up to a dead body and start
Speaker 1: talking to it, you are technically talking to the dead. Now,
Speaker 1: that would be a fun show. Dr Oz breaks into
Speaker 1: morgues and talks to corpses. Yeah, how did you die?
Speaker 1: Just just just having his bodyguards mace police officers rolling
Speaker 1: into a crime scene, be like, who did this? Had
Speaker 1: this good? Are you okay? I am a doctor? Do
Speaker 1: you want some almonds? They're soaked in water for more nutrition?
Speaker 1: So yeah, he had. Yeah. Dr Oz had among his
Speaker 1: psychic guests famous grifter king John Edwards on his show
Speaker 1: Not the Politicians, The Talks to Dead TV show guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he praised the reading that he received from John Edwards, saying, quote,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what changed my life. I've learned
Speaker 1: in my career that there are times when science just
Speaker 1: hasn't caught up with things, and I think this maybe
Speaker 1: one of them, which is almost exactly what he said
Speaker 1: about John of God, the guy who raped hundreds of people.
Speaker 1: That's how, you know, like to stay far away from
Speaker 1: anything when he's just like, man, this is uh, this
Speaker 1: is a brand new, groundbreaking territory, and you can go
Speaker 1: all wrong and it's it's one of those things. Part
Speaker 1: of how he's like the intelligent way to frame this
Speaker 1: is you start with the truth thing, which is there
Speaker 1: are things science can't explain. One of those things is
Speaker 1: the nature of consciousness and what happens to it after
Speaker 1: you know, vital sciences. We don't know. That's not an
Speaker 1: objective answer to that. But it going this way is
Speaker 1: kind of like being like, yeah, you know, we can't
Speaker 1: explain like the slit box experiment. Like there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of ship in physics. I don't know, I'm not a
Speaker 1: science guy, but like you know, particle and wave ship,
Speaker 1: you can't explain that. You can't explain magnets, Yeah, how
Speaker 1: do they work? How do they work? It's this It's
Speaker 1: this jump from yes, there are things we can't explain
Speaker 1: to so let's listen to this man talk to the dead.
Speaker 1: Millions of people gather around, gather around. He's going to
Speaker 1: channel you're dead on Yes, Um, maybe not not a
Speaker 1: reasonable way to take a reasonable starting point. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: when you're a doctor on TV. Yeah, and I want
Speaker 1: to quote from a write up I found in the
Speaker 1: Journal of the Missouri State Medical Association. Quote. During another show,
Speaker 1: Oz interviewed Dr Mossara Fali, a miracle here healer to
Speaker 1: Sylvester Stallone, Prince Charles of England, and others, regarding his
Speaker 1: use of irrodology. According to the Whitely debumpd bizarre belief,
Speaker 1: each part of the iris corresponds to a specific area
Speaker 1: of the body, and a person's state of health could
Speaker 1: be diagnosed by examining particular regions of the iris. If
Speaker 1: you're expressing his amazement at Dr Ali's diagnostic abilities, oh stated,
Speaker 1: I want to applaud Dr Mossara f Ali because these
Speaker 1: are ancient traditions and they have been around for centuries.
Speaker 1: So who am I to has missed the other than
Speaker 1: a very well educated man, doctor doctor met he had
Speaker 1: at Yeah, It's like, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cultures who say that you should remove the clitterist surgically
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's it's healthier, and it stops dangerous masturbation.
Speaker 1: It's ancient. Who are we gonna say this is a
Speaker 1: bad idea? Who are any of us to say anything's wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it too, just like I
Speaker 1: was amazed by his ability to look into my eyes
Speaker 1: and diagnose that my dad will never love me. How
Speaker 1: did he know? How did you know? It does bring
Speaker 1: me enjoy that Prince Charles got fucked with. I wonder
Speaker 1: what his eyes said. It's funny it said the same thing.
Speaker 1: It said, your dad will never love you. That's all
Speaker 1: he does. He goes to famous people and he goes
Speaker 1: your dad will never love you. Your dad will never
Speaker 1: love you. There's this. One of the big aspects of
Speaker 1: this guy's success and of the success of the things
Speaker 1: he pushes, is Orientalism, right, um, Like this idea of
Speaker 1: like the forbidden and strange and wondrous and magical East
Speaker 1: and all of the we don't understand all of these, like, oh,
Speaker 1: India is so mysterious, YadA YadA, um. What if you
Speaker 1: were to say, like, well, for centuries, tobacco companies have
Speaker 1: said that tobacco can cure like different ailments. Who are
Speaker 1: we to dismiss these ancient traditions? The queues owe could
Speaker 1: be real exactly, Like it stops people from stuttering, do
Speaker 1: more cocaine. I mean, yeah, just the idea. And I've
Speaker 1: always found this in general to be the biggest load
Speaker 1: of Horseshit is when people have have said, you know,
Speaker 1: this is like an ancient healing technique, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you mean like bleeding people with leeches, you know, you mean,
Speaker 1: like cutting off someone's leg because he got a fucking
Speaker 1: a small infection on his ancient It's this thing with
Speaker 1: Dr Oz, Like it's one thing if you're just like
Speaker 1: traveling another part of the world, you see some sort
Speaker 1: of medical or treatment you've never seen before, and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: who am I? Who am I to say anything about? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Dr Oz is a doctor on TV
Speaker 1: talking to millions. You're literally the person who should be
Speaker 1: saying something about the legitimacy of this, right Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're the guy. You're the person, you are, in fact,
Speaker 1: the person who should say something about you're the most
Speaker 1: famous doctor in America. Yeah, And that's what that that
Speaker 1: right up in the Journal of the Missouri State Medical
Speaker 1: Association notes, quote who doctor Oz is a trained clinician
Speaker 1: and scientist, someone who can read a scientific article with
Speaker 1: a critical eye. He is someone who can filter out
Speaker 1: the noise of the placebo effect or discern the simple
Speaker 1: carnival tricks of Charlatan. The problem is that most people
Speaker 1: in his audience cannot. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's he
Speaker 1: has a literal responsibility to tell people that these guys
Speaker 1: are full of ship. But he also has a responsibility
Speaker 1: to his show sponsors and to to the network for ratings.
Speaker 1: You know, you know who else has a responsibility to
Speaker 1: the show's politicis. I think that's got to be the
Speaker 1: first time. That's got to be the first time it's
Speaker 1: ever been relevant. So fucking good. Anyway, here's products uh,
Speaker 1: we're back talking about Dr Oz having just a great time. Um.
Speaker 1: So obviously the fact that Doctor Oz, I mean probably
Speaker 1: the fact that most of his audience couldn't discern whether
Speaker 1: or not any of these nonsense treatments were real, um,
Speaker 1: is a big part of why the Doctors Show became
Speaker 1: an overnight success. Before very long, it was being watched
Speaker 1: by four million viewers every single day over the next
Speaker 1: half decade or so, he won two Emmys. His guest
Speaker 1: list included First Lady Michelle Obama, who loved Dr Oz
Speaker 1: for his focus on healthy diets for children and in
Speaker 1: general his crusade to get Americans to lose weight. Doctor
Speaker 1: Oz claimed through Medicine the through Math that I cannot
Speaker 1: verify that his show inspired Americans to lose three million
Speaker 1: cumulative pounds per year. I don't know. Maybe they based
Speaker 1: that on what, Like did people call in to say
Speaker 1: how many pounds they've lost to the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he found some way to like make the
Speaker 1: claim or whatever. But it's it's very it's I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is one of the things that he does
Speaker 1: that is we'll talk about. There's problems with some of
Speaker 1: the diet tips he gives people, actually significant ones. Um,
Speaker 1: but telling like inspiring people to lose weight is not
Speaker 1: usually bad for their health, can't be. Yeah, sometimes people
Speaker 1: take it too far and health problems. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a mixed bag. I guess we'd say, but the other
Speaker 1: stuff isn'to mixed bag. So I guess we'll call that
Speaker 1: his his great success. Um. So, yeah, it is good.
Speaker 1: I will say it isn't equivalently good that doctors continually
Speaker 1: pressed his audience of millions of people to eat more
Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables, fruits and vegetables, to get better sleep,
Speaker 1: to exercise regularly, and to get their flu vaccinations. That's
Speaker 1: all rat right, But should I could have that? Give me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have to have You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a doctor to say that, Yeah, eat piggies.
Speaker 1: But he's charismatic. People like him. It's good that he
Speaker 1: does that at least. Yeah, I don't trust me, so
Speaker 1: they won't give me the show, but they should because Yeah,
Speaker 1: the unfortunate part is that this guy gained because he's
Speaker 1: he's handsome. A lot of a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of ladies out there think Dr oz is hot Um.
Speaker 1: He's he's very charismatic. Um, he's very charming, and he
Speaker 1: gains this enormous influence with Middle America, and he uses
Speaker 1: that influence to do some really fucking questionable ship. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from a write up in
Speaker 1: the A. M. A's Journal of Ethics. He has told
Speaker 1: mothers that there were dangerous levels of arsenic in their
Speaker 1: child's apple juice. There weren't and suggested that green coffee
Speaker 1: is a miracle cure for obesity. Federal regulators discovered altered
Speaker 1: data in hyped coffee being evidence. The Food and Drug
Speaker 1: Administration tested for arsenic and apple juice and found the
Speaker 1: vast majority of apple juice tested contained to contain low
Speaker 1: levels of arsenic, and given these levels, was confident in
Speaker 1: the overall safety of apple juice consumed in this country.
Speaker 1: Dr Oz also featured two guests on his show who
Speaker 1: claimed that genetically modified foods were cancer causing, despite repeated
Speaker 1: safety reports that found no adverse effects. Man, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like, he's very he's getting there, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: watching him slowly go from mement to mangela. You know, well,
Speaker 1: come on, let him. I guess that you want to
Speaker 1: be fair, Robert, but let's go for it, all right,
Speaker 1: we're doing but no, we're watching it like turn into
Speaker 1: a snake oil salesman, and it's it's very exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dr oz Is enthusiasm for alternative medicine has had
Speaker 1: the effect of creating instant fads over any health product.
Speaker 1: He even vaguely suggests on his show when he mentions
Speaker 1: the purported health the fits of white mulberry, red palm oil,
Speaker 1: or brown seaweed, all of which he's claimed can do
Speaker 1: things like cut weight, reduce aging, or beat the flu.
Speaker 1: Those products fly off the shelf. Oz often doesn't endure
Speaker 1: specific brands, but he doesn't need to. Online retailers watch
Speaker 1: closely and immediately slap, as seen on Doctor Oz on
Speaker 1: the Scientific Products. Yes, I've seen this. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: where we get to the big harm. He did one
Speaker 1: episode that focused on so called relaxation drinks and included
Speaker 1: a close upshot of five cans of beverages he said
Speaker 1: might help calm you down. Just a Miller High Life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just puts a can of Cult on the table.
Speaker 1: Billy Dee Williams walks out, it's still reserved. Trust me,
Speaker 1: you'll be calm and shit, you might yell let your mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will very calmly put your hand through a axcab window.
Speaker 1: As soon as the episode aired, a quote Liquid sleep
Speaker 1: aid called eye Chill bragged on their website Dr oz
Speaker 1: is talking about a new way to wind down with
Speaker 1: relaxation drinks. They are the newest trend in helping you
Speaker 1: relax and calm down and the best news is they
Speaker 1: contain natural ingredients already known to promote relaxation. Mulberry. I
Speaker 1: remember the eye that turned into like an entire thing.
Speaker 1: There's so many about We're about to talk about it. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And and also if there was a Laudanum drink, I
Speaker 1: would be buying it. Um. So the problem with all
Speaker 1: with this is that all of these different relaxation drinks
Speaker 1: are filled with a variety of chemicals like melatonin and
Speaker 1: theonine and tourine. These drinks are unregulated as they are
Speaker 1: not medicines or dietary supplements, but the chemicals they include
Speaker 1: all have actual impacts on the central nervous system. Pregnant
Speaker 1: women and children are often advised to avoid products with
Speaker 1: some of these chemicals, but the beverages in question rarely
Speaker 1: note this. No data exists on how these chemicals might
Speaker 1: impact people in the quantities they are added to in
Speaker 1: these beverages, or when combined with other chemicals, or when
Speaker 1: combined with medications people drinking them might be taking responsible
Speaker 1: Doctors writing for the journal for the journal Nature Neuroscience,
Speaker 1: wrote a warning about these beverages that specifically called out
Speaker 1: I chill by name. Quote existing research on the potential
Speaker 1: benefits and harms of some components of relaxation drinks suggest
Speaker 1: that they may not always be safe. Indeed, the FDA
Speaker 1: issued a warning last year to the manufactures of melatonin
Speaker 1: laced brownies, citing safety concerns from the literature, including effects
Speaker 1: on the autonomic, nervous system and visual system, and increased
Speaker 1: expression of symptoms in a sleep disorder. Other components of
Speaker 1: relaxation drinks, such as l phonine or amino acids such
Speaker 1: as taurine, may be considered safer consumption only at some
Speaker 1: doses by the FDA, but relaxation drinks are not subject
Speaker 1: to such regulations, nor are they required to disclose the
Speaker 1: amounts of their ingredients. Oh my god, I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, did you say melotonin brownies? Yeah, buddy, what
Speaker 1: the fun? Like I want to eat and just get
Speaker 1: tired immediately. Like that is very strange. It's like, here's
Speaker 1: the thing about brownies. I've never eaten one and been
Speaker 1: like I just want to relax, Like no, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get a little sugar rush. To be honest, a
Speaker 1: sleepy Toi'm brownie delightful. I would be very down. Listen,
Speaker 1: pot brownies are very different. It's not. It's not the
Speaker 1: same as relaxation. Like one is like, uh an ambient
Speaker 1: brownie and the other one is like a brownie that
Speaker 1: makes you hungry for more brownies. Pot brownies make sense.
Speaker 1: Ambient brownies exist. I would love one, thank you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather do that than just swallow an
Speaker 1: ambient But man, that is I'm like, I'm like gets
Speaker 1: to sleep and also got a brownie. Sounds awesome. It's
Speaker 1: bad for your health. I'll tell you that much a parent.
Speaker 1: Late um am, I remembering this correctly, Robert. But wasn't
Speaker 1: the eye hill like like the bottle and the marketing
Speaker 1: like similar style to like an energy drink, similar to
Speaker 1: like a five hour energy that was like the aesthetic No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think those were those were They had like a
Speaker 1: weird different shaped plastic bottle. But like the problem is
Speaker 1: that again number one, you've got a lot of people
Speaker 1: with like who are on medications that the should interacts with,
Speaker 1: which is crazy that like literally a relaxation drink could
Speaker 1: be contraindicated for your prescription medication. Okay, so everything dr
Speaker 1: Oz recommends, I guess outside of like death psychics comes
Speaker 1: with this caveat um. Some of the herbs and natural
Speaker 1: medicines that he recommends do have health impacts, but they
Speaker 1: also have consequences medications they might not interact well with.
Speaker 1: Dr oz does not bring this up when he shotguns
Speaker 1: half asked advice out to an audience of millions. That
Speaker 1: article in Nature Neuroscience that I referenced warning about the
Speaker 1: relaxation drinks, Oz recommended it's and read ten thousand times.
Speaker 1: So the article warning people that these things can be
Speaker 1: contraindicated and um might have impacts on your health and
Speaker 1: your central nervous system read ten thousand times. Dr Oz's
Speaker 1: episode suggesting these drinks listened watched four million times. God
Speaker 1: damn yeah. People started to notice that this was a
Speaker 1: problem by the mid oughts. Doctors had been complaining for
Speaker 1: a while, but in two thousand thirteen, Forbes wrote a
Speaker 1: listical laying out the silliest things Dr oz Is suggested
Speaker 1: on his show, including the fact that having two hundred
Speaker 1: orgasms a year would extend your life by six years.
Speaker 1: Here's how he explained that bit of math on his website. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm about to live to two hundred years old. I
Speaker 1: never die in motherfucker. I never died and I get
Speaker 1: one hour at least once a dirt fun here's his website.
Speaker 1: If you have more than two hundred orgasms a year,
Speaker 1: you can reduce your physiologic age by six years. Dr
Speaker 1: Oz says he bases the number on a study done
Speaker 1: it University that surveyed people on the amount and quality
Speaker 1: of sex they had. They looked at what happened to
Speaker 1: folks that are receiving a lot of intercourse over time
Speaker 1: and the fact is it correlated? Wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: what is it sex? Because he didn't say nothing about sex.
Speaker 1: He said orgasms, and I do that on my own,
Speaker 1: you know, he talked, he talked to them about the
Speaker 1: the amount and quality of sex they had, but like
Speaker 1: it's correlated. So again he's basically lying here because you
Speaker 1: number one, what is the possibility that people who are
Speaker 1: having a lot of good sex are in better health
Speaker 1: and that's why they're able to have a lot more
Speaker 1: good sex because they're like, they're physically healthy, and so
Speaker 1: it's easier for them to like, what if what are
Speaker 1: the odds that like, if you're having more sex, you're
Speaker 1: more social, you're more likely to have a long term
Speaker 1: romantic partner that increases your lifespan. Yeah. Again, I'm of
Speaker 1: all people never going to be the guy to say
Speaker 1: there's not health benefits to sex. They're sure is doctor
Speaker 1: os is exaggerating this. He's he's taking an actual study
Speaker 1: that showed some interesting stuff and he's turning it into
Speaker 1: a lie. Yeah, he's turning it into like pretending he
Speaker 1: has quantifiable data and that like correlation and correlation is
Speaker 1: causation like that, that's that's what he's trying to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there is data that suggests that regular intercourse reduces
Speaker 1: men's mortality risks by fifty percent, Which doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: fucking stops men from dying, particularly because it's men who
Speaker 1: benefit in this way. It means that men are less
Speaker 1: healthy than women tend to die faster, and when men
Speaker 1: have partners that they live with, they are more likely
Speaker 1: to have a medical problem. Noticed if they have a
Speaker 1: heart attack, someone's going to be there to call them. Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why this is the case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not dying alone, you know. Yeah, it's not the
Speaker 1: fact that just fucking magically adds like reduces your age
Speaker 1: by six years if you do it. Enough, Like that's nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's nice to think it, though, and makes it nice
Speaker 1: to think it. I'm going to mend out that article,
Speaker 1: will show it to my girlfriend and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta help me live longer. You know, not coming enough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. We gotta do this more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just start fucking in public and when the cops come,
Speaker 1: be like this is medicine. It's like, do you want
Speaker 1: me to die six years earlier than I should? I
Speaker 1: have a right to this. Doctor said I should funck
Speaker 1: more now on its own recommending that people get more
Speaker 1: sexes is you know fine. I'm I'm very pro sex,
Speaker 1: but I am anti encouraging people to misunderstand health science.
Speaker 1: The nature of doctor Oz's audience and the sheer breadth
Speaker 1: of things he suggests makes it difficult to analyze the
Speaker 1: total health impact of his show, but there are some
Speaker 1: dire case studies. As Vox notes in their right up quote.
Speaker 1: There's the case of a man who followed as a
Speaker 1: suggestion of curing insomnia by pouring uncooked rice into socks,
Speaker 1: heating them in a microwave, and wearing them to bed.
Speaker 1: The man got second and third degree burns on his feet,
Speaker 1: and the reason he got burned is because he was diabetic.
Speaker 1: He didn't have the same level of feeling in his feet.
Speaker 1: If he had gone to a doctor and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I heard about this thing that might help with insomnia,
Speaker 1: the doctor would say, well, you're diabetic, you don't have
Speaker 1: as much feeling in your feet. You might call it.
Speaker 1: Burn yourself. Dr Oz, as you're saying, hey, this will
Speaker 1: help you sleep, do it whoever you are. Again, you're
Speaker 1: talking to four million people. It will be bad advice
Speaker 1: for some of them. I mean, it's like this all
Speaker 1: feels very much like when Trump was telling everyone about
Speaker 1: the wonders of hydro, kind of talking about that, and
Speaker 1: then people are eating fucking fish food or like fish
Speaker 1: tank cleaner and dying and people how could how could
Speaker 1: people be so stupid? And it's like, people are stupid.
Speaker 1: You can't tell them to eat the fucking fishball cleaner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll do It's they'll fucking do it. Um. So this
Speaker 1: guy sued, but the case was thrown out because the
Speaker 1: judge determined that Oz cannot establish the physician patient relationship
Speaker 1: through TV. I agree with the judge. That's my problem
Speaker 1: with his show is that he is a physician purporting
Speaker 1: to be giving medical advice, but is also not taking
Speaker 1: anyone's individual circumstances into account, and, more to the fucking point,
Speaker 1: not liable if he does any of the irresponsible things
Speaker 1: that would lend a physician doing their job traditionally in trouble. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean it is medical malpractice, whether or not he's
Speaker 1: legally liable for it or not. I I would agree, um,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue that quote from Vox. Not
Speaker 1: everyone agrees with the judge's reasoning. Rochester, New York medical
Speaker 1: student and blogger Benjamin Maser has been publishing anonymous stories
Speaker 1: sent to him from health professionals about the impact Oz
Speaker 1: has had on patient care. One reported that her dad
Speaker 1: had a heart attack and five stints placed in his heart,
Speaker 1: which required him to take aspirin and plavix to prevent
Speaker 1: blood clots. He was watching Dr Oz, who said plavix
Speaker 1: was not necessary, so he stopped taking it. About a
Speaker 1: month later, he had another massive heart attack and coated
Speaker 1: and had to be shocked back to life. Continued, my
Speaker 1: dad admitted to following doctor Oz's advice and not acting
Speaker 1: his own cardiologist. Man, Yeah, that's really bad. Did he
Speaker 1: have a did he have like an alternative or was
Speaker 1: he just like decided one day that pau it was,
Speaker 1: if I know my doctor Oz, I'm sure it was,
Speaker 1: you don't need to take plavits. Eat these different heart
Speaker 1: healthy foods and avoid these foods, and that'll do all
Speaker 1: that plavits will do. Yeah, eat some beans and put
Speaker 1: your face in some boiled water and you should be fine.
Speaker 1: I suspect it was dietary advice that if you're someone
Speaker 1: who doesn't really need plavix, is fine or might even
Speaker 1: help you to not need it later in life if
Speaker 1: you health your habits. But the problem is, again the
Speaker 1: way he's framing it, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are like, just had stints placed in the heart.
Speaker 1: I don't need planvits, you know, doctor Oz. The TV
Speaker 1: doctor said, I don't need this medicine. I just need
Speaker 1: more in my belly. The TV doctor also said he
Speaker 1: can talk to go, so I'm gonna go talk. I mean,
Speaker 1: you will be talking to ghosts faster if you follow exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to ghosts. I'm gonna stop taking
Speaker 1: up lavis and have a stroke now. On his show,
Speaker 1: Dr Oz claims that the trust of his audience is
Speaker 1: the entire reason for his relevance. Quote. The currency that
Speaker 1: ideal in his trust, and it is trust that has
Speaker 1: been given to me by an audience that has watched
Speaker 1: over six hundred shows. He repeatedly references the fact that
Speaker 1: he is responding to the very real and very understandable,
Speaker 1: unfilled needs of Americans who feel alienated from modern healthcare,
Speaker 1: which is an expensive and often inhumane labyrinthine bureaucracy. True
Speaker 1: is true, Yeah, absolutely true. How you exploit it is
Speaker 1: a very different thing. But the thing he is replacing
Speaker 1: it with is by and large nonsense. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote from that right up in the Journal of Ethics again.
Speaker 1: When it comes to epistemic boundaries, dr Oz admits he
Speaker 1: applies different standard of evidence compared to those accepted in
Speaker 1: the medical establishment. When challenged by a reporter for The
Speaker 1: New Yorker about his questionable evidentury standards, he replied that
Speaker 1: all data could be differentially interpreted. You find the arguments
Speaker 1: that support your data, he said. And it's my fact
Speaker 1: versus your fact. It's not that he doesn't offer data.
Speaker 1: It's common for dr Oss to offer some plausible mechanism
Speaker 1: from test tube experiments conducted by manufacturers, combined with personal
Speaker 1: anecdotes from his owner consumers experience to support the products
Speaker 1: he's promoting. A study of eighty recommendations made on The
Speaker 1: Doctor Show in early two thousand thirteen found that published
Speaker 1: evidence supported forty six percent of recommendations, contradicted fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: and did not support thirty nine percent. Got to love
Speaker 1: a good like coin flip on whether or not he's
Speaker 1: uh fucking lying to you and yeah, having an adverse
Speaker 1: effect on your health. If your doctor said, hey, you
Speaker 1: know forty six percent at the time, I give pretty
Speaker 1: good advice, you would be like, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get another doctor. But he would reframe it to be like,
Speaker 1: I'm back here and fun. If you assume medicine is
Speaker 1: like baseball, I'm a great doctor. Yeah job now. To
Speaker 1: his credit, the journal does note that a decent chunk
Speaker 1: of the blame for doctor Oz's success lies in the very,
Speaker 1: very flawed state of mainstream medical science. Quote we settle
Speaker 1: for incomplaint, selectively published data in journals heavily subsidized by
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, and for outcomes that don't give firm answers.
Speaker 1: While not on part without offering anecdotes as evidence. The
Speaker 1: fact that debates persist about what constitutes sufficiently high, unbiased
Speaker 1: quality evidence to support decisions in the profession as a
Speaker 1: whole creates a wedge that doctor Oz seems to exploit.
Speaker 1: So again, this is the Journal of Ethics being like
Speaker 1: the fact that you can pay to get a study done,
Speaker 1: the fact that we pharmaceutical companies lobby to allow them
Speaker 1: to market things in dishonest ways, the fact that doctors
Speaker 1: are bribed by companies like Produce Pharmaceutical with vacations to
Speaker 1: commend people take medication that is not in their best
Speaker 1: interests to take. That's why this motherfucker has a job.
Speaker 1: And the fact that healthcare is expensive, right, the fact
Speaker 1: that we don't have single pair of healthcare. It all
Speaker 1: combines to the fact that a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are not idiots. I'm not saying you can be. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's people who are brilliant electricians, who fucking are
Speaker 1: brilliant at whatever, who are great at whatever it is
Speaker 1: they do, but they're not fucking doctors because most of
Speaker 1: us aren't, and it's hard to get I am very
Speaker 1: fortunate that I have a couple of good friends who
Speaker 1: are doctors, and I am luckier than I can. One
Speaker 1: of them is a guy who was on the show recently, Cavajota. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm luckier than I can that I can say to
Speaker 1: be able to like every now and then send them
Speaker 1: a message being like, hey, what should I do here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a question of, like, I'm having this problem. I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of doctor to see to like
Speaker 1: get this dealt with. I don't know whose job this is,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to like my um my ex
Speaker 1: a while ago had a non cancerous brain tumor and
Speaker 1: it was a fucking nightmare figuring out. It took a
Speaker 1: series of different doctors and tests to figure out what
Speaker 1: kind of doctors she needed to go to to get
Speaker 1: the medication that would help. And it's of course people
Speaker 1: are like, well, this guy is explaining things and he's nice,
Speaker 1: and he's saying that I have the power to deal
Speaker 1: with this, change my diet if I do this, if
Speaker 1: I do that. Um, he's giving us alternatives to dealing
Speaker 1: with the bureaucracy of medical institutions in this country, which
Speaker 1: I have Kaiser and Um, I I had to go
Speaker 1: to a rheumatologist and I tried to get a hold
Speaker 1: of him on the phone, and they sent me through
Speaker 1: six different call centers to finally get to his specific office.
Speaker 1: And then I asked the lady carry get the extension
Speaker 1: so that I don't have to deal with that, and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, sorry, we're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: And so now now I'm just recording every phone call
Speaker 1: and just you know, freestyling to the hold music because
Speaker 1: it's the only thing I can do. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I might as well turn this into content,
Speaker 1: because this is fucking ridiculous. You know, there's like the
Speaker 1: amount of bullshit you have to go through makes people
Speaker 1: like Dr Oz feel like a good alternative, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it's it fucking sucks. Um. It's just really fucking sucks, um.
Speaker 1: And it fucking sucks because there's a lot of wonderful
Speaker 1: people who are part of the medical system, like the
Speaker 1: fucking doctors um in the in the e er who
Speaker 1: were with my mom in her last days, like incredibly
Speaker 1: competent and compassionate and amazing people who in their entire
Speaker 1: careers will never be able to do as much good
Speaker 1: as Dr Oz does harm because he has four million
Speaker 1: people watching him every day. It's a bummer. Yeah, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: Capitalism is actually a bummer. But it's the water we
Speaker 1: swim in. So here's some fucking ats. We're back. So.
Speaker 1: In two thousand four, mem at Oz was called before
Speaker 1: a Senate subcommittee to answer questions about his unfounded claims
Speaker 1: about dietary supplements. Missouri Senator Claire mccaskell went off on him, saying,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you need to say this stuff,
Speaker 1: because you know it's not true. Why when you have
Speaker 1: this amazing megaphone and this amazing ability to communicate, would
Speaker 1: you cheapen your show by saying things like this? And
Speaker 1: he just pulled out a lot of money and he
Speaker 1: just started making it rain all over congut. Do you
Speaker 1: know how many houses I have? She pointed out several
Speaker 1: examples of the things he cheapens his show by, saying
Speaker 1: he had called green coffee extract a quote magical weight loss.
Speaker 1: Here recent research has recent research has suggested that long
Speaker 1: term use of green coffee extract causes bone density loss
Speaker 1: in animals. But you are, in fairness, you're losing weight.
Speaker 1: Your bones are lighter, that's weight. Bones are heavy as hell.
Speaker 1: It was it was everywhere. When that came out, it
Speaker 1: was that literally not just like it's not like bed
Speaker 1: bath and everywhere, get like bones, you can fly like um.
Speaker 1: And again those are studies and animals, but it's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing where a responsible doctor would say, well,
Speaker 1: some studies and animals have shown that this might call
Speaker 1: bone to cause bone density loss. So unless you know
Speaker 1: your weight is a really disastrous health situation and your
Speaker 1: bone density is fine, I wouldn't recommend this. Doctor us
Speaker 1: is just saying it's a magical weight loss here. It's
Speaker 1: not wrong. Yeah, Oz called raspberry keytone quote the number
Speaker 1: one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat. This
Speaker 1: is a fun one. First of all. Part of why people, well,
Speaker 1: actually part of why, part of why people are attracted
Speaker 1: to stuff like this is that like raspberry keytone, that's natural.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, oh, if I just like getting raspberries,
Speaker 1: that's gonna help me lose weight. This chemical in a natural,
Speaker 1: healthy fruit. Of course, it makes sense that like some
Speaker 1: wonderful plant based medicine would be able to help me
Speaker 1: lose weight. Raspberry keytones don't come from raspberries. They can,
Speaker 1: but it takes ninety pounds of fresh raspberries to produce
Speaker 1: a single dose. As a result, they are manufactured synthetically,
Speaker 1: a fact Dr Oz did not feel the need to
Speaker 1: explain because again, he's really critical of GMOs and it
Speaker 1: might seem hypocritical to note that raspberry keytones are actually
Speaker 1: synthetic lab nonsense. Um. I love when people say things
Speaker 1: like it's it's natural. It's like it's I think cyanide
Speaker 1: is natural. There's like, there's a lot of like natural
Speaker 1: poisons out there. Fucking snake venom is natural, the fucking arsenic,
Speaker 1: and the apple juice that he's worried about is natural.
Speaker 1: It is possible, based on animal studies, that these keytones
Speaker 1: may have some ability to reduce or slow weight gain,
Speaker 1: but no studies have ever been conducted on how raspberry
Speaker 1: keytones impact human beings. There have been reports that they
Speaker 1: increase blood pressure and heart rate in humans. Doctor Oz
Speaker 1: does not warn about this. Likewise, when Dr Oz told
Speaker 1: his viewers that garcina cambogia maybe the simple solution you've
Speaker 1: been looking forward to bust your body fat for good,
Speaker 1: he did not also warn them that it can interact
Speaker 1: negatively with diabetes medications, painkillers, and psychiatric medications. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: why would you need to warn people that, Look, what
Speaker 1: are the odds someone looking to lose weight has diabetes medications? Zero?
Speaker 1: What are the odds that someone who has diabetes is
Speaker 1: sitting around watching Dr Oz's show? Zero? What are the
Speaker 1: odds that a middle class American is addicted to pain killers? Zero? Zero?
Speaker 1: During the Senate inquiry, Senator mccaskell pointed some of this out,
Speaker 1: and she told Dr Oz quote, when you feature a
Speaker 1: product on your show, it creates what has become known
Speaker 1: as the Doctor Oz Effect, dramatically boosting sales and driving
Speaker 1: scam artists to pop up overnight using false and deceptive
Speaker 1: ads to sell questionable products. In the wake of the
Speaker 1: which was a fairly bad day on Capitol Hill for him,
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz released a somewhat contrite statement where he noted
Speaker 1: I took part in today's hearing because I am accountable
Speaker 1: from my role in the proliferation of these scams, and
Speaker 1: I recognize that my enthusiastic language has made the problem
Speaker 1: worse at times. Good so far, pretty good, so far.
Speaker 1: Oz added in his statement, to not have the conversation
Speaker 1: about supplements at all, however, would be a disservice to
Speaker 1: the viewer. In addition to exercising an abundance of caution
Speaker 1: and discussing promising research and products in the future, I
Speaker 1: look forward to working with all those present today and
Speaker 1: finding a way to deal with the problems of weight
Speaker 1: loss scams. God, yeah, I'm just talking about I'm just
Speaker 1: asking the question. We had to have conversations about this,
Speaker 1: you know, a conversation would be noting, for example, green
Speaker 1: coffee extract causes bone density loss and perhaps to be worried.
Speaker 1: That's a conversation. Well, you and I have had about
Speaker 1: these things as a conversation. Yeah, I love people are like,
Speaker 1: I'm just asking the question. I mean, I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who's addicted to an unregulated plant. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, which I just took more of while standing
Speaker 1: next to my unregulated gun. Dude, you're living the unregulate
Speaker 1: right now. So um. Dr Oz, also making this statement,
Speaker 1: pointed out that he believed the greatest disservice he'd done
Speaker 1: to his audience was to not recommend specific products, which
Speaker 1: had provided room for a white industry of shysters to
Speaker 1: stick his name on their website. So like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was just saying green coffee extract and a bunch of
Speaker 1: companies I couldn't verify started selling with my name on it.
Speaker 1: I should have recommended a specific brand. Yeah. What I
Speaker 1: need to do is cut deals with specific companies so
Speaker 1: that you can only be taking their bone density lost drugs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean exactly good calls. Fucking amazing. Yeah. So, in
Speaker 1: awake of this day on Capitol Hill and this amazing response,
Speaker 1: physicians across the country asked Columbia University in the letter, basically,
Speaker 1: what the funk why is this guy still on your faculty.
Speaker 1: Columbia claimed it was because of their commitment to quote
Speaker 1: the principle of academic freedom into upholding faculty members freedom
Speaker 1: of expression for statements they make in public discussion. Hell yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, they're like anti cancel culture letter. You know,
Speaker 1: they're just like, stop trying to cancel dr Oz. It's
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, your freedom of speech. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: doctors also are held to different standards than the rest
Speaker 1: of us. Come on, if, like your uncle Jimbo says, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, take some green coffee extract, it will help
Speaker 1: you lose weight, nothing wrong with that. You might not
Speaker 1: be good advice, but that's just a guy saying a thing.
Speaker 1: Doctors are helped do a different standard. Yeah, it's on you.
Speaker 1: If you listen to your crazy uncle Jimbo, it is
Speaker 1: definitely on the doc. If he recommends you lose some
Speaker 1: bone density so that you look better in that dress,
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's so. On April fift two, fifteen, ten
Speaker 1: prominent physicians sent a letter to Columbia University calling Oz's
Speaker 1: faculty position they're unacceptable, in citing his quote egregious lack
Speaker 1: of integrity. The only change wrought by the congressional inquiry
Speaker 1: and the flood of condemnation from the medical community seems
Speaker 1: to be that Doctor Oz started endorsing specific supplements and
Speaker 1: pseudo medicines. God, he's Alex Jones. He's Jones in it hard.
Speaker 1: He's so much smarter than Alex though. You focus it
Speaker 1: just on the health, none of his nonsense like political ship.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna love you and you'll make way more money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A two thousand eighteen analysis of his show by The
Speaker 1: Health News Review found quote in the Doctor Oz Show.
Speaker 1: Thirteen out of nineteen sixty eight point four percent shows
Speaker 1: had ads relating to general show content um fifty seven
Speaker 1: point nine percent had specific products mentioned by the host
Speaker 1: using their commercial name, and thirty six point three percent
Speaker 1: of shows mentioning products by name named more than one product.
Speaker 1: It also found that seventy eight percent of the medical
Speaker 1: statements made on the Doctorage Show did not align with
Speaker 1: quote evidence based medical guidelines. So if those guidelines mattered,
Speaker 1: then make more money. Dog. Half a decade earlier, forty
Speaker 1: six percent of his statements are more or less fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: now it's down to Jesus. So we're seeing again he
Speaker 1: met the quality of the because again you're running out
Speaker 1: of good content. You only have so much good medical
Speaker 1: advice you can give when you're doing an hour a
Speaker 1: day a d seventy five times a year for fucking
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years. Fruit exactly the actual amount of things
Speaker 1: that an average person can reasonably do to improve their
Speaker 1: own simple health doesn't really take that long to explain
Speaker 1: to you. You know, it's pretty simple stuff, and most
Speaker 1: of us know a lot of it already. We know
Speaker 1: when we're I know that pounding cretum and coke zero
Speaker 1: isn't a wise healthcare decision, but you know it, and
Speaker 1: you can you know fucking you don't need a doctor
Speaker 1: Oz to tell you that you know, you just know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that the fact that I bought
Speaker 1: the hundred dollar entire smoked leg of of of pig
Speaker 1: from Costco, the Giant for you can well, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, buying that and not also purchasing I don't
Speaker 1: know salad in order to have a sufficient I recognized
Speaker 1: that was the poor health decision. Yeah, no one tricked
Speaker 1: me about and and no point that I think this
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of smoked ham is the solid healthcare move.
Speaker 1: You know, smoke, what could it's smoked. It's good for
Speaker 1: my cues. Oh, it's traditional medicine. Yeah, this is really
Speaker 1: good for all of my kidney Meridians. I need all them. Oh,
Speaker 1: my Meridians are fucking rucking right peaking in Meridians. Bro.
Speaker 1: Let me fucking tell you my Meridians are as hard
Speaker 1: as a goddamn rock. Feel my kidneys, Feel my kidneys.
Speaker 1: It's just like, why is your kidneys swollen? The Doctors
Speaker 1: Show is still on the air. In two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: President Trump appointed doctor Oz to a Council on Sports,
Speaker 1: Fitness and Nutrition as part of the Department of Health
Speaker 1: and Human Services. Is still on that council under Joe
Speaker 1: Biden two years later, No politician is dumb enough to
Speaker 1: want to piss off doctor Oz. You're never gonna hear
Speaker 1: Joe Biden throw it. Well except for except for Claire McCaskill.
Speaker 1: God bless me. Um Like she was the only one
Speaker 1: who had the guts to stand up to door. I
Speaker 1: think other people did. I'm not an expert on what
Speaker 1: went down in that congressional thing, but she was seems
Speaker 1: to be the main one who was really angry at him.
Speaker 1: Which good on you, Claire. I love that a bipartisan
Speaker 1: decision is just like, let's share this grifter, you know
Speaker 1: between administrations like good, you know what, all agree that
Speaker 1: you should be able to lie about healthcare as an image.
Speaker 1: That's that's is when he gets appointed to this council.
Speaker 1: Two years later, during the COVID nineteen pandemic, he drew.
Speaker 1: He endorsed hydroxy Clarkuin. Later that year, he endorsed reopening schools, saying,
Speaker 1: I tell you, schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I
Speaker 1: just saw a nice piece in the Lancet arguing the
Speaker 1: opening of schools may only cost us two to three
Speaker 1: percent in terms of total mortality. What the fuck two
Speaker 1: of the card. That's barely anybody dying, that's barely hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of deaths. He said two to three percent,
Speaker 1: as if that's not a huge number of He's losing
Speaker 1: his goddamn mine. And it's one of those things. Not
Speaker 1: making a point proer against gun control either way. But
Speaker 1: if somebody against gun control said, what keeping these things
Speaker 1: legal is only gonna cost us one percent of the country,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you're fucking maniac, you are a dangerous person.
Speaker 1: But he's like, we gotta and he didn't. Ye. This
Speaker 1: outraged a lot of people, and Oz apologized as he
Speaker 1: apologized for batting hydroxya he e Daisy did. He claimed
Speaker 1: to regret that his comments had confused and upset people,
Speaker 1: and basically pointed out the lance. It wasn't saying two
Speaker 1: to three percent of the country was going to die.
Speaker 1: It was I think more like two three percent of
Speaker 1: like or something like it gets sick and like it
Speaker 1: was he but the way he phrased it was, it's
Speaker 1: only gonna cost us to three percent of the country.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the actual study. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: care what the studies. I care what you said to
Speaker 1: your audience of millions. And also I care about the
Speaker 1: fact that in any case, that's fucking evil. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: an evil thing to say. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty wild to just look at two to three percent
Speaker 1: of the country as like expandable if it means that
Speaker 1: my fucking dirt bag gass fifth grade or can be
Speaker 1: stuck inside in a school all day and listen, I
Speaker 1: get it people with kids, they want their kids to
Speaker 1: go back to school. But you that's you don't say
Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud. You know. Yeah, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to say, hey, look, living in a society, there's
Speaker 1: all all kinds of of of cost benefits sort of
Speaker 1: analysis or we have to do. Like right, cars improve
Speaker 1: a lot of efficiencies in certain ways, and people like
Speaker 1: have them. They're also gonna cost x many lives. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: we could change these sorts of laws, but it would
Speaker 1: it would lead to this sort of problem. You know,
Speaker 1: we have certain freedoms, um that may cost lives and
Speaker 1: like to be like that that that's just living in
Speaker 1: a society, right, there's no our society is not angled
Speaker 1: around absolutely more reducing mortality in every way and there's
Speaker 1: a cost to not having these schools open, and it's
Speaker 1: a very real cost, and like we have to, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a way to say that. I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: the argument I'm making because I'm not. I'm thinking, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think we should open schools out until we
Speaker 1: actually have I don't like of the fucking country vaccinator
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like, um, but that's a way you
Speaker 1: could That's a way you could make that argument and
Speaker 1: not sound like a gibbering sociopath. And it's weird to like,
Speaker 1: you know, be like all right, it was a poor
Speaker 1: choice of words, and it's like, bro, at this point,
Speaker 1: saying words out loud to millions of people is your job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're choosing to do the job. You could never work
Speaker 1: another day in your life, and you would never you
Speaker 1: you're rich, you don't need to do this. You're choosing to.
Speaker 1: So go funk yourself with that explanation. Fucking fix some
Speaker 1: hearts already, stop talking. We're getting to that. So today,
Speaker 1: Dr Oz works to continue to monetize his brand with
Speaker 1: his wife and business partner, who he also writes books with.
Speaker 1: His daughter seems to be getting in on the grift too,
Speaker 1: with books like The Dorm Room Diet, which she wrote
Speaker 1: when she was in college. I think it's just free
Speaker 1: pizza and dick on the dorm room Diet. Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: if you pour coffee into instant ramens works, I've done that,
Speaker 1: by the way, the kind of proud of it. It's
Speaker 1: real good if you add in vodka. Um. He is
Speaker 1: worth tens of millions of dollars and is not in
Speaker 1: any danger of being worth less any time soon. We've
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the harms of his specific recommendations
Speaker 1: and the disinformation he spreads. But at the end of
Speaker 1: this all, I keep coming back to that two thousand
Speaker 1: ten New York Times article. Specifically, it's in when I
Speaker 1: think about what maybe his worst crime against medicine quote
Speaker 1: on the stairs at Columbia Presbyterian apropos of Nothing. He
Speaker 1: began talking about certain Japanese, Sardinian, and Costa Rican populations
Speaker 1: that live unusually long, and said that their shared trait
Speaker 1: was activity, activity, activity. His first column for Time magazine,
Speaker 1: Living Long and Living Well, ran in a section called
Speaker 1: how to Live one hundred years. At another point in
Speaker 1: his Rockefeller Center office, he said that so many people
Speaker 1: thrill on being to being on television because quote, there's
Speaker 1: an element of eternity to it. You are storing you,
Speaker 1: You are taking your life force for that brief moment
Speaker 1: when you're on camera, and you're storing that for all eternity,
Speaker 1: which makes you someone who will never truly die. That
Speaker 1: is a fucking Bunker's way of looking at being on TV.
Speaker 1: That isn't It's goddamn. He's literally one year away from
Speaker 1: wanting to be buried with his cats. You know, like
Speaker 1: this dude wants some pyramids and some live cats in
Speaker 1: a casket with him. This is he's a pharaoh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue the quote, and he described his
Speaker 1: own investment in television by saying, I've always felt that
Speaker 1: when I looked at my tombstone, it shouldn't say mem
Speaker 1: at Oz banged out ten thousand open heart operations. I've
Speaker 1: probably done five thousand. Am I any better at it
Speaker 1: than ten thousand? He shook his head. It's just a
Speaker 1: different number on the tombstone. No, it's not. It's five
Speaker 1: thousand other people who's there's a humor. It's not about
Speaker 1: like your how better it? You're already great at it.
Speaker 1: It's about saving additional lives. Oh my god, it's that's
Speaker 1: wild one of the he has dramatically. He still does
Speaker 1: perform surgery, I think sometimes he certainly was in the
Speaker 1: late OTTs. Because he's a doctor. He just doesn't do
Speaker 1: nearly as much. He used to do a lot more,
Speaker 1: and he's he's cut it by more than half the
Speaker 1: amount of actual hearts and it's the one thing he's
Speaker 1: good at. I mean, I almost he's amazing. So one
Speaker 1: of the things that I should note here is that
Speaker 1: right now, even with the assumption that every available training
Speaker 1: position for cardiothoracic surgeons is filled, um, we are looking
Speaker 1: at a projected shortage of fift d cardiothoracic surgeons or
Speaker 1: twenty of the workforce. There is a desperate need for
Speaker 1: the thing that he's definitely one of the best in
Speaker 1: the world at a tremendous and terrible need for it,
Speaker 1: and he has stopped doing that in order to give
Speaker 1: people bad medical advice that will hurt some of them
Speaker 1: on TV. And I'm want to be really clear here,
Speaker 1: I am not saying that just because you become a
Speaker 1: cardiothoracic surgeon, you have to do that until the day
Speaker 1: you drop. You don't. You can quit. I uh, you can.
Speaker 1: And that's not immoral. It's not evil to be like
Speaker 1: I've done enough. A good friend of mine was a
Speaker 1: cardiologist for thirty something years and quit to travel around
Speaker 1: the world as a photojournalist. And I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything immoral. You do not owe the world doing just
Speaker 1: because it's valuable and there are enough people doing it forever.
Speaker 1: I am not, and you don't. You don't have to
Speaker 1: quit to do some other valuable job. You can just
Speaker 1: quit to enjoy your life, be with your family. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that. But he didn't quit to be with
Speaker 1: his family. He quit to give people bad health advice.
Speaker 1: That he is. He is doing something that should be
Speaker 1: illegal instead of performing an additional five thousand life saving surgeries.
Speaker 1: That's evil. Yeah, that that is bad. That is that
Speaker 1: is definitely immoral to to like have the ability. It's
Speaker 1: like being Superman and having the ability to save someone
Speaker 1: from a burning building, but being like, funk, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of on my way to do this TV interview
Speaker 1: that's gonna get me more. Yeah, but I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sell people pills instead. Lex Luthor can suck it. You know,
Speaker 1: I got pills to move. The way that he phrases
Speaker 1: that is incredibly telling, right, Like it shouldn't say memod
Speaker 1: Oz banged at ten thousand open heart operations? Am I
Speaker 1: any better at it than ten Thousand's like that's not
Speaker 1: I care that you get better at it to the
Speaker 1: extent that it improves patient outcome, but like I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like the the thing that's good about performing ten thousand
Speaker 1: open heart operations is presumably somewhere near ten thousand people
Speaker 1: have had their lives extended. Because that's amazing. That's tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of cumulative, cumulative years get added to the
Speaker 1: lives of people who are loved and who do things themselves,
Speaker 1: who who do incredible like who have their own ways
Speaker 1: of contributing to society, who have children. Like it's such
Speaker 1: a sick way of looking because it's it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: already really good at it. So I decided I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go get into TV. Now. It's like it's like if
Speaker 1: he if he'd been like I, I, you know, I
Speaker 1: did my car, I perform five thousand surgeries. Now I
Speaker 1: want to become an actor, like you have that right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say that. I mean, it depends on
Speaker 1: the movie. But yeah, sure, yeah, if you're in Michael
Speaker 1: Bay movies, we might have another talk. But that's again,
Speaker 1: it's not that he's decided he wanted to go into TV.
Speaker 1: It's not that he decided to go into an entertainment.
Speaker 1: It's that he decided to do a job. To go
Speaker 1: from doing a job where he was unequivocally saving lives
Speaker 1: to doing a job where he often gives people advice
Speaker 1: that could shorten or at least reduce the quality of
Speaker 1: their life. I mean, I guess he got tired of
Speaker 1: helping people and was like, you know, time to make
Speaker 1: some fucking bank. Yeah it's I mean, it's not just
Speaker 1: make some bank. But he's like, man, I saved ten
Speaker 1: thousand lives, I'm gonna have to kill ten thousand just
Speaker 1: to fucking net neutral this ship. You know. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to he's trying to balance the scales
Speaker 1: of his good and evil. It's so fucking frustrating. Um,
Speaker 1: I really dislike this man. Yeah he's so handsome though, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean very handsome. He's very handsome. Uh. He made
Speaker 1: a lot of money, so that's good. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's out there every day given given hope
Speaker 1: to people who are currently dying of a very very
Speaker 1: treatable ailment and saying, nah, dog, put your feet in
Speaker 1: some hot right, put your feet in some hot rise,
Speaker 1: and see what happens, dude, Just see what happens. You know,
Speaker 1: Like someone's got to be doing that job. It's this
Speaker 1: fucking thing part of the doctor os problem, and the
Speaker 1: part of it that that he he is, he is
Speaker 1: leaning into. But it's not as fault is this thing
Speaker 1: that's a broader problem that I've gotten trapped into. A
Speaker 1: lot of that. Everyone who is a public figure is
Speaker 1: at risk of getting trapped in um, which is the
Speaker 1: fact that if you're good at something and also have
Speaker 1: some measure of fame or popularity, you start to think
Speaker 1: you can extend your skills to everything. I was in
Speaker 1: the gym the other day, since I'm in Texas with
Speaker 1: my family, um, and since I'm vaccinated. Uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone wears a mask, but I've been going to a gym, um,
Speaker 1: and my family's vaccinate. It's like it's the thing we
Speaker 1: get to do now, Okay, you're allowed. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: going to a gym and the gym's have like news
Speaker 1: programs on right, and I saw Doctor Oz on and
Speaker 1: it was Dr oz True Crime, because I guess Dr
Speaker 1: oz has added a true crime thing where he's like
Speaker 1: talking about this woman who murdered her kids and interviewing
Speaker 1: like the ex wife of the husband of the woman
Speaker 1: who murdered her kids, and like do this thing. He's like,
Speaker 1: you don't have any why are you doing this? Like
Speaker 1: because because it's popular with the same people who like
Speaker 1: the show, And why why Like why not why not
Speaker 1: stick your hand into this thing that is is deeply
Speaker 1: painful for a lot of people and make money off
Speaker 1: of it? Um? Why not do it? Because if you're
Speaker 1: if you're fame missing good at one thing, there's no
Speaker 1: reason not to do absolutely everything. I I just hate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's especially since it's it's again he he has the
Speaker 1: god given skills to actually do good and help people,
Speaker 1: and he chooses you know, this ship, And I gotta say,
Speaker 1: I blame his dad. You fucked up, dude. I mean,
Speaker 1: you did a great job by pulling yourself up by
Speaker 1: your bootstraps and what YadA YadA, But you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you should have maybe you should have maybe been more
Speaker 1: encouraging for him to just maybe you know, pick one
Speaker 1: thing and stay with it rather than you know, venture
Speaker 1: off into television. I will say, at least with the
Speaker 1: true crime stuff that like, I know, he's like he's
Speaker 1: a little bit kind of like getting into kind of
Speaker 1: our territory here with the podcast business, and I don't
Speaker 1: like that. But I'm glad I don't have a true
Speaker 1: crime podcast that he's currently cannibalizing. If he starts a
Speaker 1: Sopranos one, I will lose my fucking mind. If dr
Speaker 1: Oz decides one day like I want to do a
Speaker 1: prestige TV rewatch show for CNN, that'll be a dude, odds,
Speaker 1: you'll be on my goddamn list. I don't think this
Speaker 1: podcast publishes anymore the one that he was doing. I
Speaker 1: don't see any new episodes. That's well, I mean he's
Speaker 1: doing a true crime show. That's That's as close as
Speaker 1: you get to the podcast business. And yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, those are the number one pods out there. Dude,
Speaker 1: pisses me off. Just my odds. Al Right, guys, that's
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Speaker 1: Uh my name is Matt Leeb and uh, you know
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram Matt Leap jokes. Yeah, I'm on the Graham.
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Speaker 1: the Sopranos, uh, pod yourself a gun, it's pod yourself
Speaker 1: a gun. Baby. Well, get out there and again find
Speaker 1: dr os in the streets. And Sophie, what what is
Speaker 1: the legal definition of incitement? I'm not really agal reasons.
Speaker 1: I'm not quitted into that question. All right, Well, uh,
Speaker 1: just just go out and wander the streets. Um, angry
Speaker 1: and and and agitated? Yeah, without a clear goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: angrily wander the streets, agitated with an unclear goal. That's
Speaker 1: what I want all of my listeners to do. H