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Speaker 1: on the autonomic, nervous system and visual system, and increased

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Speaker 1: expression of symptoms in a sleep disorder. Other components of

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Speaker 1: relaxation drinks, such as l phonine or amino acids such

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Speaker 1: as taurine, may be considered safer consumption only at some

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Speaker 1: doses by the FDA, but relaxation drinks are not subject

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Speaker 1: to such regulations, nor are they required to disclose the

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Speaker 1: amounts of their ingredients. Oh my god, I mean, first

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Speaker 1: of all, did you say melotonin brownies? Yeah, buddy, what

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Speaker 1: the fun? Like I want to eat and just get

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Speaker 1: tired immediately. Like that is very strange. It's like, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about brownies. I've never eaten one and been

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Speaker 1: like I just want to relax, Like no, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get a little sugar rush. To be honest, a

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Speaker 1: sleepy Toi'm brownie delightful. I would be very down. Listen,

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Speaker 1: pot brownies are very different. It's not. It's not the

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Speaker 1: same as relaxation. Like one is like, uh an ambient

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Speaker 1: brownie and the other one is like a brownie that

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Speaker 1: makes you hungry for more brownies. Pot brownies make sense.

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Speaker 1: Ambient brownies exist. I would love one, thank you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather do that than just swallow an

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Speaker 1: ambient But man, that is I'm like, I'm like gets

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Speaker 1: to sleep and also got a brownie. Sounds awesome. It's

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Speaker 1: bad for your health. I'll tell you that much a parent.

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Speaker 1: Late um am, I remembering this correctly, Robert. But wasn't

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Speaker 1: the eye hill like like the bottle and the marketing

450
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: like similar style to like an energy drink, similar to

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Speaker 1: like a five hour energy that was like the aesthetic No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I think those were those were They had like a

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Speaker 1: weird different shaped plastic bottle. But like the problem is

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Speaker 1: that again number one, you've got a lot of people

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Speaker 1: with like who are on medications that the should interacts with,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy that like literally a relaxation drink could

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Speaker 1: be contraindicated for your prescription medication. Okay, so everything dr

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00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Oz recommends, I guess outside of like death psychics comes

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00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: with this caveat um. Some of the herbs and natural

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00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: medicines that he recommends do have health impacts, but they

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Speaker 1: also have consequences medications they might not interact well with.

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00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: Dr oz does not bring this up when he shotguns

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Speaker 1: half asked advice out to an audience of millions. That

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Speaker 1: article in Nature Neuroscience that I referenced warning about the

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Speaker 1: relaxation drinks, Oz recommended it's and read ten thousand times.

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Speaker 1: So the article warning people that these things can be

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Speaker 1: contraindicated and um might have impacts on your health and

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00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: your central nervous system read ten thousand times. Dr Oz's

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Speaker 1: episode suggesting these drinks listened watched four million times. God

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: damn yeah. People started to notice that this was a

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Speaker 1: problem by the mid oughts. Doctors had been complaining for

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Speaker 1: a while, but in two thousand thirteen, Forbes wrote a

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Speaker 1: listical laying out the silliest things Dr oz Is suggested

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Speaker 1: on his show, including the fact that having two hundred

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Speaker 1: orgasms a year would extend your life by six years.

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00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: Here's how he explained that bit of math on his website. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to live to two hundred years old. I

478
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: never die in motherfucker. I never died and I get

479
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: one hour at least once a dirt fun here's his website.

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Speaker 1: If you have more than two hundred orgasms a year,

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Speaker 1: you can reduce your physiologic age by six years. Dr

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Speaker 1: Oz says he bases the number on a study done

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Speaker 1: it University that surveyed people on the amount and quality

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Speaker 1: of sex they had. They looked at what happened to

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Speaker 1: folks that are receiving a lot of intercourse over time

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Speaker 1: and the fact is it correlated? Wait wait, wait, wait,

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00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: what is it sex? Because he didn't say nothing about sex.

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Speaker 1: He said orgasms, and I do that on my own,

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Speaker 1: you know, he talked, he talked to them about the

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Speaker 1: the amount and quality of sex they had, but like

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Speaker 1: it's correlated. So again he's basically lying here because you

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Speaker 1: number one, what is the possibility that people who are

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Speaker 1: having a lot of good sex are in better health

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Speaker 1: and that's why they're able to have a lot more

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Speaker 1: good sex because they're like, they're physically healthy, and so

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Speaker 1: it's easier for them to like, what if what are

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Speaker 1: the odds that like, if you're having more sex, you're

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Speaker 1: more social, you're more likely to have a long term

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Speaker 1: romantic partner that increases your lifespan. Yeah. Again, I'm of

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Speaker 1: all people never going to be the guy to say

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Speaker 1: there's not health benefits to sex. They're sure is doctor

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Speaker 1: os is exaggerating this. He's he's taking an actual study

503
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that showed some interesting stuff and he's turning it into

504
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: a lie. Yeah, he's turning it into like pretending he

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Speaker 1: has quantifiable data and that like correlation and correlation is

506
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: causation like that, that's that's what he's trying to do. Yeah,

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00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: there there is data that suggests that regular intercourse reduces

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00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: men's mortality risks by fifty percent, Which doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: fucking stops men from dying, particularly because it's men who

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Speaker 1: benefit in this way. It means that men are less

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Speaker 1: healthy than women tend to die faster, and when men

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Speaker 1: have partners that they live with, they are more likely

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Speaker 1: to have a medical problem. Noticed if they have a

514
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: heart attack, someone's going to be there to call them. Like,

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why this is the case. Yeah,

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00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: they're not dying alone, you know. Yeah, it's not the

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00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: fact that just fucking magically adds like reduces your age

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Speaker 1: by six years if you do it. Enough, Like that's nonsense.

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00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: It's nice to think it, though, and makes it nice

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00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: to think it. I'm going to mend out that article,

521
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: will show it to my girlfriend and say, hey, you

522
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: gotta help me live longer. You know, not coming enough.

523
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. We gotta do this more. Yeah,

524
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: just start fucking in public and when the cops come,

525
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: be like this is medicine. It's like, do you want

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Speaker 1: me to die six years earlier than I should? I

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Speaker 1: have a right to this. Doctor said I should funck

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Speaker 1: more now on its own recommending that people get more

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Speaker 1: sexes is you know fine. I'm I'm very pro sex,

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Speaker 1: but I am anti encouraging people to misunderstand health science.

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Speaker 1: The nature of doctor Oz's audience and the sheer breadth

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Speaker 1: of things he suggests makes it difficult to analyze the

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Speaker 1: total health impact of his show, but there are some

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00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: dire case studies. As Vox notes in their right up quote.

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Speaker 1: There's the case of a man who followed as a

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Speaker 1: suggestion of curing insomnia by pouring uncooked rice into socks,

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00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: heating them in a microwave, and wearing them to bed.

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00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: The man got second and third degree burns on his feet,

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00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: and the reason he got burned is because he was diabetic.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have the same level of feeling in his feet.

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Speaker 1: If he had gone to a doctor and said, hey,

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: I heard about this thing that might help with insomnia,

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00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the doctor would say, well, you're diabetic, you don't have

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: as much feeling in your feet. You might call it.

545
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: Burn yourself. Dr Oz, as you're saying, hey, this will

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00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: help you sleep, do it whoever you are. Again, you're

547
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: talking to four million people. It will be bad advice

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00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: for some of them. I mean, it's like this all

549
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: feels very much like when Trump was telling everyone about

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00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: the wonders of hydro, kind of talking about that, and

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00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: then people are eating fucking fish food or like fish

552
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: tank cleaner and dying and people how could how could

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00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: people be so stupid? And it's like, people are stupid.

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00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: You can't tell them to eat the fucking fishball cleaner. Yeah,

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00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: they'll do It's they'll fucking do it. Um. So this

556
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: guy sued, but the case was thrown out because the

557
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: judge determined that Oz cannot establish the physician patient relationship

558
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: through TV. I agree with the judge. That's my problem

559
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: with his show is that he is a physician purporting

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: to be giving medical advice, but is also not taking

561
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: anyone's individual circumstances into account, and, more to the fucking point,

562
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: not liable if he does any of the irresponsible things

563
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: that would lend a physician doing their job traditionally in trouble. Um,

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00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean it is medical malpractice, whether or not he's

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Speaker 1: legally liable for it or not. I I would agree, um,

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue that quote from Vox. Not

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00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: everyone agrees with the judge's reasoning. Rochester, New York medical

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00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: student and blogger Benjamin Maser has been publishing anonymous stories

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: sent to him from health professionals about the impact Oz

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00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: has had on patient care. One reported that her dad

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00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: had a heart attack and five stints placed in his heart,

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Speaker 1: which required him to take aspirin and plavix to prevent

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00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: blood clots. He was watching Dr Oz, who said plavix

574
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: was not necessary, so he stopped taking it. About a

575
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: month later, he had another massive heart attack and coated

576
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: and had to be shocked back to life. Continued, my

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00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: dad admitted to following doctor Oz's advice and not acting

578
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: his own cardiologist. Man, Yeah, that's really bad. Did he

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00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: have a did he have like an alternative or was

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00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: he just like decided one day that pau it was,

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00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: if I know my doctor Oz, I'm sure it was,

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00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: you don't need to take plavits. Eat these different heart

583
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: healthy foods and avoid these foods, and that'll do all

584
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that plavits will do. Yeah, eat some beans and put

585
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: your face in some boiled water and you should be fine.

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00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I suspect it was dietary advice that if you're someone

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00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: who doesn't really need plavix, is fine or might even

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00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: help you to not need it later in life if

589
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: you health your habits. But the problem is, again the

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: way he's framing it, there's gonna be a lot of

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00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: people who are like, just had stints placed in the heart.

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00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't need planvits, you know, doctor Oz. The TV

593
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: doctor said, I don't need this medicine. I just need

594
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: more in my belly. The TV doctor also said he

595
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: can talk to go, so I'm gonna go talk. I mean,

596
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: you will be talking to ghosts faster if you follow exactly.

597
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk to ghosts. I'm gonna stop taking

598
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: up lavis and have a stroke now. On his show,

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00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Dr Oz claims that the trust of his audience is

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: the entire reason for his relevance. Quote. The currency that

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: ideal in his trust, and it is trust that has

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00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: been given to me by an audience that has watched

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00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: over six hundred shows. He repeatedly references the fact that

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: he is responding to the very real and very understandable,

605
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: unfilled needs of Americans who feel alienated from modern healthcare,

606
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: which is an expensive and often inhumane labyrinthine bureaucracy. True

607
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: is true, Yeah, absolutely true. How you exploit it is

608
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: a very different thing. But the thing he is replacing

609
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: it with is by and large nonsense. And I'm gonna

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00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: quote from that right up in the Journal of Ethics again.

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00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: When it comes to epistemic boundaries, dr Oz admits he

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00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: applies different standard of evidence compared to those accepted in

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00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: the medical establishment. When challenged by a reporter for The

614
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: New Yorker about his questionable evidentury standards, he replied that

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: all data could be differentially interpreted. You find the arguments

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00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: that support your data, he said. And it's my fact

617
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: versus your fact. It's not that he doesn't offer data.

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00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: It's common for dr Oss to offer some plausible mechanism

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Speaker 1: from test tube experiments conducted by manufacturers, combined with personal

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00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: anecdotes from his owner consumers experience to support the products

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Speaker 1: he's promoting. A study of eighty recommendations made on The

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00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Doctor Show in early two thousand thirteen found that published

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Speaker 1: evidence supported forty six percent of recommendations, contradicted fifteen percent,

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00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: and did not support thirty nine percent. Got to love

625
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: a good like coin flip on whether or not he's

626
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: uh fucking lying to you and yeah, having an adverse

627
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: effect on your health. If your doctor said, hey, you

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: know forty six percent at the time, I give pretty

629
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: good advice, you would be like, I think I'm gonna

630
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: get another doctor. But he would reframe it to be like,

631
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm back here and fun. If you assume medicine is

632
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: like baseball, I'm a great doctor. Yeah job now. To

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00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: his credit, the journal does note that a decent chunk

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00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: of the blame for doctor Oz's success lies in the very,

635
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: very flawed state of mainstream medical science. Quote we settle

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: for incomplaint, selectively published data in journals heavily subsidized by

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Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, and for outcomes that don't give firm answers.

638
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: While not on part without offering anecdotes as evidence. The

639
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: fact that debates persist about what constitutes sufficiently high, unbiased

640
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: quality evidence to support decisions in the profession as a

641
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: whole creates a wedge that doctor Oz seems to exploit.

642
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: So again, this is the Journal of Ethics being like

643
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: the fact that you can pay to get a study done,

644
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: the fact that we pharmaceutical companies lobby to allow them

645
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: to market things in dishonest ways, the fact that doctors

646
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: are bribed by companies like Produce Pharmaceutical with vacations to

647
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: commend people take medication that is not in their best

648
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: interests to take. That's why this motherfucker has a job.

649
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: And the fact that healthcare is expensive, right, the fact

650
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: that we don't have single pair of healthcare. It all

651
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: combines to the fact that a lot of people who

652
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: are not idiots. I'm not saying you can be. I'm

653
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: sure there's people who are brilliant electricians, who fucking are

654
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: brilliant at whatever, who are great at whatever it is

655
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: they do, but they're not fucking doctors because most of

656
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: us aren't, and it's hard to get I am very

657
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: fortunate that I have a couple of good friends who

658
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: are doctors, and I am luckier than I can. One

659
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: of them is a guy who was on the show recently, Cavajota. Um,

660
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm luckier than I can that I can say to

661
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: be able to like every now and then send them

662
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: a message being like, hey, what should I do here? Yeah,

663
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: it's a question of, like, I'm having this problem. I

664
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of doctor to see to like

665
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: get this dealt with. I don't know whose job this is,

666
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: and I don't want to like my um my ex

667
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: a while ago had a non cancerous brain tumor and

668
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: it was a fucking nightmare figuring out. It took a

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00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: series of different doctors and tests to figure out what

670
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: kind of doctors she needed to go to to get

671
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: the medication that would help. And it's of course people

672
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: are like, well, this guy is explaining things and he's nice,

673
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: and he's saying that I have the power to deal

674
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: with this, change my diet if I do this, if

675
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I do that. Um, he's giving us alternatives to dealing

676
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: with the bureaucracy of medical institutions in this country, which

677
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: I have Kaiser and Um, I I had to go

678
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: to a rheumatologist and I tried to get a hold

679
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 1: of him on the phone, and they sent me through

680
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: six different call centers to finally get to his specific office.

681
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: And then I asked the lady carry get the extension

682
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: so that I don't have to deal with that, and

683
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, sorry, we're not allowed to do that.

684
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: And so now now I'm just recording every phone call

685
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: and just you know, freestyling to the hold music because

686
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: it's the only thing I can do. I'm like, you

687
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: know what, I might as well turn this into content,

688
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: because this is fucking ridiculous. You know, there's like the

689
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: amount of bullshit you have to go through makes people

690
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: like Dr Oz feel like a good alternative, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely,

691
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: and it's it fucking sucks. Um. It's just really fucking sucks, um.

692
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: And it fucking sucks because there's a lot of wonderful

693
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Speaker 1: people who are part of the medical system, like the

694
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Speaker 1: fucking doctors um in the in the e er who

695
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: were with my mom in her last days, like incredibly

696
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: competent and compassionate and amazing people who in their entire

697
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: careers will never be able to do as much good

698
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: as Dr Oz does harm because he has four million

699
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: people watching him every day. It's a bummer. Yeah, yeah, wow,

700
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: Capitalism is actually a bummer. But it's the water we

701
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: swim in. So here's some fucking ats. We're back. So.

702
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: In two thousand four, mem at Oz was called before

703
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: a Senate subcommittee to answer questions about his unfounded claims

704
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Speaker 1: about dietary supplements. Missouri Senator Claire mccaskell went off on him, saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you need to say this stuff,

706
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: because you know it's not true. Why when you have

707
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: this amazing megaphone and this amazing ability to communicate, would

708
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you cheapen your show by saying things like this? And

709
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: he just pulled out a lot of money and he

710
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: just started making it rain all over congut. Do you

711
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: know how many houses I have? She pointed out several

712
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: examples of the things he cheapens his show by, saying

713
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: he had called green coffee extract a quote magical weight loss.

714
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Here recent research has recent research has suggested that long

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Speaker 1: term use of green coffee extract causes bone density loss

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Speaker 1: in animals. But you are, in fairness, you're losing weight.

717
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: Your bones are lighter, that's weight. Bones are heavy as hell.

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Speaker 1: It was it was everywhere. When that came out, it

719
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Speaker 1: was that literally not just like it's not like bed

720
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Speaker 1: bath and everywhere, get like bones, you can fly like um.

721
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: And again those are studies and animals, but it's the

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00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of thing where a responsible doctor would say, well,

723
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: some studies and animals have shown that this might call

724
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Speaker 1: bone to cause bone density loss. So unless you know

725
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: your weight is a really disastrous health situation and your

726
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: bone density is fine, I wouldn't recommend this. Doctor us

727
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: is just saying it's a magical weight loss here. It's

728
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: not wrong. Yeah, Oz called raspberry keytone quote the number

729
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat. This

730
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: is a fun one. First of all. Part of why people, well,

731
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: actually part of why, part of why people are attracted

732
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: to stuff like this is that like raspberry keytone, that's natural.

733
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Speaker 1: It sounds like, oh, if I just like getting raspberries,

734
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna help me lose weight. This chemical in a natural,

735
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: healthy fruit. Of course, it makes sense that like some

736
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: wonderful plant based medicine would be able to help me

737
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: lose weight. Raspberry keytones don't come from raspberries. They can,

738
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: but it takes ninety pounds of fresh raspberries to produce

739
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: a single dose. As a result, they are manufactured synthetically,

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Speaker 1: a fact Dr Oz did not feel the need to

741
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: explain because again, he's really critical of GMOs and it

742
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: might seem hypocritical to note that raspberry keytones are actually

743
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: synthetic lab nonsense. Um. I love when people say things

744
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's natural. It's like it's I think cyanide

745
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: is natural. There's like, there's a lot of like natural

746
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: poisons out there. Fucking snake venom is natural, the fucking arsenic,

747
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and the apple juice that he's worried about is natural.

748
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Speaker 1: It is possible, based on animal studies, that these keytones

749
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: may have some ability to reduce or slow weight gain,

750
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: but no studies have ever been conducted on how raspberry

751
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: keytones impact human beings. There have been reports that they

752
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: increase blood pressure and heart rate in humans. Doctor Oz

753
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: does not warn about this. Likewise, when Dr Oz told

754
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: his viewers that garcina cambogia maybe the simple solution you've

755
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: been looking forward to bust your body fat for good,

756
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: he did not also warn them that it can interact

757
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: negatively with diabetes medications, painkillers, and psychiatric medications. Oh my god,

758
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: why would you need to warn people that, Look, what

759
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: are the odds someone looking to lose weight has diabetes medications? Zero?

760
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: What are the odds that someone who has diabetes is

761
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: sitting around watching Dr Oz's show? Zero? What are the

762
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: odds that a middle class American is addicted to pain killers? Zero? Zero?

763
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Speaker 1: During the Senate inquiry, Senator mccaskell pointed some of this out,

764
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: and she told Dr Oz quote, when you feature a

765
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: product on your show, it creates what has become known

766
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: as the Doctor Oz Effect, dramatically boosting sales and driving

767
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: scam artists to pop up overnight using false and deceptive

768
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: ads to sell questionable products. In the wake of the

769
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: which was a fairly bad day on Capitol Hill for him,

770
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz released a somewhat contrite statement where he noted

771
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: I took part in today's hearing because I am accountable

772
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: from my role in the proliferation of these scams, and

773
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: I recognize that my enthusiastic language has made the problem

774
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: worse at times. Good so far, pretty good, so far.

775
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: Oz added in his statement, to not have the conversation

776
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: about supplements at all, however, would be a disservice to

777
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: the viewer. In addition to exercising an abundance of caution

778
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: and discussing promising research and products in the future, I

779
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: look forward to working with all those present today and

780
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: finding a way to deal with the problems of weight

781
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: loss scams. God, yeah, I'm just talking about I'm just

782
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: asking the question. We had to have conversations about this,

783
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, a conversation would be noting, for example, green

784
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: coffee extract causes bone density loss and perhaps to be worried.

785
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: That's a conversation. Well, you and I have had about

786
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: these things as a conversation. Yeah, I love people are like,

787
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm just asking the question. I mean, I'm not a doctor.

788
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who's addicted to an unregulated plant. Oh

789
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: my god, which I just took more of while standing

790
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: next to my unregulated gun. Dude, you're living the unregulate

791
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: right now. So um. Dr Oz, also making this statement,

792
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: pointed out that he believed the greatest disservice he'd done

793
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: to his audience was to not recommend specific products, which

794
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: had provided room for a white industry of shysters to

795
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: stick his name on their website. So like, oh, I

796
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: was just saying green coffee extract and a bunch of

797
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: companies I couldn't verify started selling with my name on it.

798
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I should have recommended a specific brand. Yeah. What I

799
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: need to do is cut deals with specific companies so

800
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: that you can only be taking their bone density lost drugs. Yeah,

801
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean exactly good calls. Fucking amazing. Yeah. So, in

802
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: awake of this day on Capitol Hill and this amazing response,

803
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: physicians across the country asked Columbia University in the letter, basically,

804
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: what the funk why is this guy still on your faculty.

805
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: Columbia claimed it was because of their commitment to quote

806
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: the principle of academic freedom into upholding faculty members freedom

807
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: of expression for statements they make in public discussion. Hell yeah, dude,

808
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, they're like anti cancel culture letter. You know,

809
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: they're just like, stop trying to cancel dr Oz. It's

810
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, your freedom of speech. Yeah, I mean,

811
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: doctors also are held to different standards than the rest

812
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: of us. Come on, if, like your uncle Jimbo says, hey,

813
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, take some green coffee extract, it will help

814
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you lose weight, nothing wrong with that. You might not

815
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: be good advice, but that's just a guy saying a thing.

816
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: Doctors are helped do a different standard. Yeah, it's on you.

817
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: If you listen to your crazy uncle Jimbo, it is

818
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: definitely on the doc. If he recommends you lose some

819
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: bone density so that you look better in that dress,

820
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's so. On April fift two, fifteen, ten

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Speaker 1: prominent physicians sent a letter to Columbia University calling Oz's

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Speaker 1: faculty position they're unacceptable, in citing his quote egregious lack

823
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: of integrity. The only change wrought by the congressional inquiry

824
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: and the flood of condemnation from the medical community seems

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00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to be that Doctor Oz started endorsing specific supplements and

826
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: pseudo medicines. God, he's Alex Jones. He's Jones in it hard.

827
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: He's so much smarter than Alex though. You focus it

828
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: just on the health, none of his nonsense like political ship.

829
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna love you and you'll make way more money. Yeah.

830
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: A two thousand eighteen analysis of his show by The

831
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Speaker 1: Health News Review found quote in the Doctor Oz Show.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen out of nineteen sixty eight point four percent shows

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: had ads relating to general show content um fifty seven

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Speaker 1: point nine percent had specific products mentioned by the host

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Speaker 1: using their commercial name, and thirty six point three percent

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Speaker 1: of shows mentioning products by name named more than one product.

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Speaker 1: It also found that seventy eight percent of the medical

838
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: statements made on the Doctorage Show did not align with

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00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: quote evidence based medical guidelines. So if those guidelines mattered,

840
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: then make more money. Dog. Half a decade earlier, forty

841
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: six percent of his statements are more or less fine. Uh,

842
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: now it's down to Jesus. So we're seeing again he

843
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: met the quality of the because again you're running out

844
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: of good content. You only have so much good medical

845
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: advice you can give when you're doing an hour a

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Speaker 1: day a d seventy five times a year for fucking

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Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years. Fruit exactly the actual amount of things

848
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: that an average person can reasonably do to improve their

849
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: own simple health doesn't really take that long to explain

850
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: to you. You know, it's pretty simple stuff, and most

851
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: of us know a lot of it already. We know

852
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: when we're I know that pounding cretum and coke zero

853
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: isn't a wise healthcare decision, but you know it, and

854
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: you can you know fucking you don't need a doctor

855
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: Oz to tell you that you know, you just know,

856
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know that the fact that I bought

857
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: the hundred dollar entire smoked leg of of of pig

858
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: from Costco, the Giant for you can well, I know,

859
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: I know, buying that and not also purchasing I don't

860
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: know salad in order to have a sufficient I recognized

861
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: that was the poor health decision. Yeah, no one tricked

862
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: me about and and no point that I think this

863
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of smoked ham is the solid healthcare move.

864
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, smoke, what could it's smoked. It's good for

865
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: my cues. Oh, it's traditional medicine. Yeah, this is really

866
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: good for all of my kidney Meridians. I need all them. Oh,

867
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: my Meridians are fucking rucking right peaking in Meridians. Bro.

868
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: Let me fucking tell you my Meridians are as hard

869
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: as a goddamn rock. Feel my kidneys, Feel my kidneys.

870
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: It's just like, why is your kidneys swollen? The Doctors

871
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: Show is still on the air. In two thousand eighteen,

872
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: President Trump appointed doctor Oz to a Council on Sports,

873
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: Fitness and Nutrition as part of the Department of Health

874
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: and Human Services. Is still on that council under Joe

875
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Biden two years later, No politician is dumb enough to

876
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: want to piss off doctor Oz. You're never gonna hear

877
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: Joe Biden throw it. Well except for except for Claire McCaskill.

878
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: God bless me. Um Like she was the only one

879
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: who had the guts to stand up to door. I

880
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: think other people did. I'm not an expert on what

881
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: went down in that congressional thing, but she was seems

882
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: to be the main one who was really angry at him.

883
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: Which good on you, Claire. I love that a bipartisan

884
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: decision is just like, let's share this grifter, you know

885
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: between administrations like good, you know what, all agree that

886
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: you should be able to lie about healthcare as an image.

887
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: That's that's is when he gets appointed to this council.

888
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Two years later, during the COVID nineteen pandemic, he drew.

889
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: He endorsed hydroxy Clarkuin. Later that year, he endorsed reopening schools, saying,

890
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: I tell you, schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I

891
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: just saw a nice piece in the Lancet arguing the

892
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: opening of schools may only cost us two to three

893
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: percent in terms of total mortality. What the fuck two

894
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: of the card. That's barely anybody dying, that's barely hundreds

895
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: of thousands of deaths. He said two to three percent,

896
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: as if that's not a huge number of He's losing

897
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: his goddamn mine. And it's one of those things. Not

898
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: making a point proer against gun control either way. But

899
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: if somebody against gun control said, what keeping these things

900
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: legal is only gonna cost us one percent of the country,

901
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you're fucking maniac, you are a dangerous person.

902
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: But he's like, we gotta and he didn't. Ye. This

903
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: outraged a lot of people, and Oz apologized as he

904
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: apologized for batting hydroxya he e Daisy did. He claimed

905
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: to regret that his comments had confused and upset people,

906
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: and basically pointed out the lance. It wasn't saying two

907
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: to three percent of the country was going to die.

908
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: It was I think more like two three percent of

909
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: like or something like it gets sick and like it

910
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: was he but the way he phrased it was, it's

911
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: only gonna cost us to three percent of the country.

912
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't care what the actual study. Again, I don't

913
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: care what the studies. I care what you said to

914
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: your audience of millions. And also I care about the

915
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: fact that in any case, that's fucking evil. Yeah, that's

916
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: an evil thing to say. Yeah, it's it's it's it's

917
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: pretty wild to just look at two to three percent

918
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: of the country as like expandable if it means that

919
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: my fucking dirt bag gass fifth grade or can be

920
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: stuck inside in a school all day and listen, I

921
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: get it people with kids, they want their kids to

922
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: go back to school. But you that's you don't say

923
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud. You know. Yeah, it's one

924
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: thing to say, hey, look, living in a society, there's

925
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: all all kinds of of of cost benefits sort of

926
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: analysis or we have to do. Like right, cars improve

927
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot of efficiencies in certain ways, and people like

928
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: have them. They're also gonna cost x many lives. You know, Um,

929
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: we could change these sorts of laws, but it would

930
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: it would lead to this sort of problem. You know,

931
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: we have certain freedoms, um that may cost lives and

932
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: like to be like that that that's just living in

933
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: a society, right, there's no our society is not angled

934
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: around absolutely more reducing mortality in every way and there's

935
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a cost to not having these schools open, and it's

936
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: a very real cost, and like we have to, Like,

937
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: that's a way to say that. I'm not saying that's

938
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the argument I'm making because I'm not. I'm thinking, no,

939
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't think we should open schools out until we

940
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: actually have I don't like of the fucking country vaccinator

941
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like, um, but that's a way you

942
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: could That's a way you could make that argument and

943
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: not sound like a gibbering sociopath. And it's weird to like,

944
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, be like all right, it was a poor

945
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: choice of words, and it's like, bro, at this point,

946
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: saying words out loud to millions of people is your job. Yeah,

947
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: you're choosing to do the job. You could never work

948
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: another day in your life, and you would never you

949
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: you're rich, you don't need to do this. You're choosing to.

950
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: So go funk yourself with that explanation. Fucking fix some

951
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: hearts already, stop talking. We're getting to that. So today,

952
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Dr Oz works to continue to monetize his brand with

953
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: his wife and business partner, who he also writes books with.

954
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: His daughter seems to be getting in on the grift too,

955
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: with books like The Dorm Room Diet, which she wrote

956
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: when she was in college. I think it's just free

957
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: pizza and dick on the dorm room Diet. Hey, you know,

958
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: if you pour coffee into instant ramens works, I've done that,

959
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: by the way, the kind of proud of it. It's

960
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: real good if you add in vodka. Um. He is

961
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: worth tens of millions of dollars and is not in

962
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: any danger of being worth less any time soon. We've

963
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the harms of his specific recommendations

964
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: and the disinformation he spreads. But at the end of

965
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: this all, I keep coming back to that two thousand

966
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: ten New York Times article. Specifically, it's in when I

967
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: think about what maybe his worst crime against medicine quote

968
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: on the stairs at Columbia Presbyterian apropos of Nothing. He

969
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: began talking about certain Japanese, Sardinian, and Costa Rican populations

970
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: that live unusually long, and said that their shared trait

971
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: was activity, activity, activity. His first column for Time magazine,

972
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Living Long and Living Well, ran in a section called

973
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: how to Live one hundred years. At another point in

974
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: his Rockefeller Center office, he said that so many people

975
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: thrill on being to being on television because quote, there's

976
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: an element of eternity to it. You are storing you,

977
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: You are taking your life force for that brief moment

978
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: when you're on camera, and you're storing that for all eternity,

979
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: which makes you someone who will never truly die. That

980
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: is a fucking Bunker's way of looking at being on TV.

981
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: That isn't It's goddamn. He's literally one year away from

982
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: wanting to be buried with his cats. You know, like

983
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: this dude wants some pyramids and some live cats in

984
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: a casket with him. This is he's a pharaoh. Yeah,

985
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue the quote, and he described his

986
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: own investment in television by saying, I've always felt that

987
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: when I looked at my tombstone, it shouldn't say mem

988
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: at Oz banged out ten thousand open heart operations. I've

989
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: probably done five thousand. Am I any better at it

990
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: than ten thousand? He shook his head. It's just a

991
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: different number on the tombstone. No, it's not. It's five

992
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: thousand other people who's there's a humor. It's not about

993
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: like your how better it? You're already great at it.

994
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: It's about saving additional lives. Oh my god, it's that's

995
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: wild one of the he has dramatically. He still does

996
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: perform surgery, I think sometimes he certainly was in the

997
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: late OTTs. Because he's a doctor. He just doesn't do

998
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: nearly as much. He used to do a lot more,

999
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: and he's he's cut it by more than half the

1000
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: amount of actual hearts and it's the one thing he's

1001
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: good at. I mean, I almost he's amazing. So one

1002
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: of the things that I should note here is that

1003
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: right now, even with the assumption that every available training

1004
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: position for cardiothoracic surgeons is filled, um, we are looking

1005
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: at a projected shortage of fift d cardiothoracic surgeons or

1006
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: twenty of the workforce. There is a desperate need for

1007
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: the thing that he's definitely one of the best in

1008
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: the world at a tremendous and terrible need for it,

1009
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: and he has stopped doing that in order to give

1010
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: people bad medical advice that will hurt some of them

1011
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: on TV. And I'm want to be really clear here,

1012
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: I am not saying that just because you become a

1013
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: cardiothoracic surgeon, you have to do that until the day

1014
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: you drop. You don't. You can quit. I uh, you can.

1015
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's not immoral. It's not evil to be like

1016
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: I've done enough. A good friend of mine was a

1017
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 1: cardiologist for thirty something years and quit to travel around

1018
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: the world as a photojournalist. And I don't think there's

1019
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: anything immoral. You do not owe the world doing just

1020
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: because it's valuable and there are enough people doing it forever.

1021
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: I am not, and you don't. You don't have to

1022
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: quit to do some other valuable job. You can just

1023
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: quit to enjoy your life, be with your family. I'm

1024
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: not saying that. But he didn't quit to be with

1025
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: his family. He quit to give people bad health advice.

1026
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: That he is. He is doing something that should be

1027
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: illegal instead of performing an additional five thousand life saving surgeries.

1028
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: That's evil. Yeah, that that is bad. That is that

1029
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: is definitely immoral to to like have the ability. It's

1030
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: like being Superman and having the ability to save someone

1031
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: from a burning building, but being like, funk, dude, I'm

1032
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: kind of on my way to do this TV interview

1033
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna get me more. Yeah, but I'm I'm gonna

1034
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: sell people pills instead. Lex Luthor can suck it. You know,

1035
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: I got pills to move. The way that he phrases

1036
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: that is incredibly telling, right, Like it shouldn't say memod

1037
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Oz banged at ten thousand open heart operations? Am I

1038
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: any better at it than ten Thousand's like that's not

1039
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: I care that you get better at it to the

1040
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: extent that it improves patient outcome, but like I don't care.

1041
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: Like the the thing that's good about performing ten thousand

1042
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: open heart operations is presumably somewhere near ten thousand people

1043
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: have had their lives extended. Because that's amazing. That's tens

1044
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: of thousands of cumulative, cumulative years get added to the

1045
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: lives of people who are loved and who do things themselves,

1046
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: who who do incredible like who have their own ways

1047
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: of contributing to society, who have children. Like it's such

1048
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: a sick way of looking because it's it's like, I'm

1049
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: already really good at it. So I decided I'm gonna

1050
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: go get into TV. Now. It's like it's like if

1051
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: he if he'd been like I, I, you know, I

1052
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: did my car, I perform five thousand surgeries. Now I

1053
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: want to become an actor, like you have that right, absolutely,

1054
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say that. I mean, it depends on

1055
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: the movie. But yeah, sure, yeah, if you're in Michael

1056
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Speaker 1: Bay movies, we might have another talk. But that's again,

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Speaker 1: it's not that he's decided he wanted to go into TV.

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: It's not that he decided to go into an entertainment.

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: It's that he decided to do a job. To go

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: from doing a job where he was unequivocally saving lives

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: to doing a job where he often gives people advice

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Speaker 1: that could shorten or at least reduce the quality of

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Speaker 1: their life. I mean, I guess he got tired of

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Speaker 1: helping people and was like, you know, time to make

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01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: some fucking bank. Yeah it's I mean, it's not just

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Speaker 1: make some bank. But he's like, man, I saved ten

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Speaker 1: thousand lives, I'm gonna have to kill ten thousand just

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Speaker 1: to fucking net neutral this ship. You know. Yeah, you know,

1069
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: he's just trying to he's trying to balance the scales

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Speaker 1: of his good and evil. It's so fucking frustrating. Um,

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Speaker 1: I really dislike this man. Yeah he's so handsome though, dude,

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Speaker 1: I mean very handsome. He's very handsome. Uh. He made

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, so that's good. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's he's out there every day given given hope

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: to people who are currently dying of a very very

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: treatable ailment and saying, nah, dog, put your feet in

1077
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Speaker 1: some hot right, put your feet in some hot rise,

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: and see what happens, dude, Just see what happens. You know,

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Speaker 1: Like someone's got to be doing that job. It's this

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01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: fucking thing part of the doctor os problem, and the

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: part of it that that he he is, he is

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01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: leaning into. But it's not as fault is this thing

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: that's a broader problem that I've gotten trapped into. A

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01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: lot of that. Everyone who is a public figure is

1085
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: at risk of getting trapped in um, which is the

1086
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: fact that if you're good at something and also have

1087
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: some measure of fame or popularity, you start to think

1088
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: you can extend your skills to everything. I was in

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: the gym the other day, since I'm in Texas with

1090
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: my family, um, and since I'm vaccinated. Uh, and you know,

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: everyone wears a mask, but I've been going to a gym, um,

1092
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: and my family's vaccinate. It's like it's the thing we

1093
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: get to do now, Okay, you're allowed. Yeah, I've been

1094
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: going to a gym and the gym's have like news

1095
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: programs on right, and I saw Doctor Oz on and

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01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: it was Dr oz True Crime, because I guess Dr

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01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: oz has added a true crime thing where he's like

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Speaker 1: talking about this woman who murdered her kids and interviewing

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: like the ex wife of the husband of the woman

1100
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: who murdered her kids, and like do this thing. He's like,

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01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: you don't have any why are you doing this? Like

1102
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: because because it's popular with the same people who like

1103
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: the show, And why why Like why not why not

1104
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: stick your hand into this thing that is is deeply

1105
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: painful for a lot of people and make money off

1106
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: of it? Um? Why not do it? Because if you're

1107
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: if you're fame missing good at one thing, there's no

1108
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: reason not to do absolutely everything. I I just hate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's especially since it's it's again he he has the

1110
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Speaker 1: god given skills to actually do good and help people,

1111
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: and he chooses you know, this ship, And I gotta say,

1112
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Speaker 1: I blame his dad. You fucked up, dude. I mean,

1113
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: you did a great job by pulling yourself up by

1114
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 1: your bootstraps and what YadA YadA, But you know, maybe

1115
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: you should have maybe you should have maybe been more

1116
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: encouraging for him to just maybe you know, pick one

1117
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: thing and stay with it rather than you know, venture

1118
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Speaker 1: off into television. I will say, at least with the

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: true crime stuff that like, I know, he's like he's

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Speaker 1: a little bit kind of like getting into kind of

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: our territory here with the podcast business, and I don't

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: like that. But I'm glad I don't have a true

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Speaker 1: crime podcast that he's currently cannibalizing. If he starts a

1124
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: Sopranos one, I will lose my fucking mind. If dr

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Speaker 1: Oz decides one day like I want to do a

1126
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: prestige TV rewatch show for CNN, that'll be a dude, odds,

1127
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: you'll be on my goddamn list. I don't think this

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Speaker 1: podcast publishes anymore the one that he was doing. I

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Speaker 1: don't see any new episodes. That's well, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: doing a true crime show. That's That's as close as

1131
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: you get to the podcast business. And yeah, you know

1132
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, those are the number one pods out there. Dude,

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Speaker 1: pisses me off. Just my odds. Al Right, guys, that's

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Speaker 1: the episode. Have any any plugs? Yeah, plug the plugs.

1135
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: Uh my name is Matt Leeb and uh, you know

1136
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram Matt Leap jokes. Yeah, I'm on the Graham.

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm also on Twitter at Matt Lee but we'll follow

1138
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: me on Instagram. Uh and yeah, and if you like

1139
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: the Sopranos, uh, pod yourself a gun, it's pod yourself

1140
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: a gun. Baby. Well, get out there and again find

1141
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: dr os in the streets. And Sophie, what what is

1142
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: the legal definition of incitement? I'm not really agal reasons.

1143
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not quitted into that question. All right, Well, uh,

1144
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: just just go out and wander the streets. Um, angry

1145
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: and and and agitated? Yeah, without a clear goal. Yeah,

1146
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: angrily wander the streets, agitated with an unclear goal. That's

1147
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Speaker 1: what I want all of my listeners to do. H