1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi, everyone, 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. So. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I have somebody really interesting on the podcast today. He's 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, but he's also sort of, in 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: my opinion, in most people's opinion, a sports legend. At 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: this point, let's need the general manager of my favorite team, 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Hi, how's it going. I don't know if I'm a legend, 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: though I think that's your friend. Okay, there's legends. 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't know you're my friend, but you're I think 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: everything that you've done with the Rams, particularly this last season, 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: I personally think it puts you into legend category. 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: Is this season better than the Super Bowl? No? 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the thing, right, super Bowl two 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: thousand twenty two. But so explain to people, because not 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: everybody understands that how a draft works, and where where 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: you are in a draft lineup, how teams get to 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: pick first, second, third, fourth, fifth, all of that kind 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. Can you explain that? 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: So the NFL is engineered right to try to have 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: everyone have a fair chance. So if the better you 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: are as a team, the later you pick in each 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: round there's seven rounds, so there's thirty two teams. If 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: you're the best team, if you're the Chiefs this year, 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: you pick thirty two. Then the next round you pick 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: sixty four. The next round sixty four plus thirty two 27 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: is about ninety six. The worst team picks first, and 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: then somewhere in between. There for the record, Now, what 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: we had done in the past to probably compete for 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: that Super Bowl is trade away a lot of our 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: first round picks. So we've spent probably seven years not 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 2: having a first round pick, but living in the second, third, four, fifth, sixth, 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: seventh round. 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And what round were you for the twenty twenty three season. 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: We were in the second. 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Round, and we did the draft house, and like, I 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: didn't even understand the concept of a draft house and 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: how extensive it is. There's computers everywhere. You've got some 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: people in this room, some people in that room. You know, 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: you're floating around, you're checking in on everything, and I 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: was kind of blown away by the entire process. And 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: then watching how you picked people was incredibly interesting to me, 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and being able to actually get them. You have a board, 44 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: get a board, you have a board, you have a 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: whole system. 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: For your listeners. If you've ever played a sport in 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: the backyard in your hometown, did you ever play kickball 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: or something, or you're at school and you go, you 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: know what, I. 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: Was an athlete growing up there, I as you was one. 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: It's very similar to being in your hometown and you're 52 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: going to play a pickup game of basketball and you go, 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm picking Shannon first, and then somebody else. 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: Pretty nice, they pretty much know that they're going to 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: pick someone else second, and then you know, you flip 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: a coin and who gets the first pick. But it's 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: very similar. You have your board of how you rate 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: football players, and at that point, when the chaos begins 59 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: other people get to pick, you use that board to 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 2: help make your help. Remember all the preparation that went 61 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: into that draft day. So you think about draft is 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: in late April. It's over three days Thursday night, Friday night, 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: Saturday probably afternoon, so there's probably three sixty five minus 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: those threes. There's three hundred and sixty two days of 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: preparation for those three days. But the board represents in 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: a concise manner all the work that went into each 67 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: of those individuals, and as you know, humans are very 68 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: complex people. Some of them are very skilled at football, 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: but because of that complexity, you really really want to 70 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: know the person as well before you make that pick, 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: before you draft them, before you bring them on to 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: help the Rams for at least four years and hopefully beyond. 73 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: I remember you telling me that at the draft house, 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: and you were really explaining that, you know, you could 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: have somebody who's performing exceptionally well, but how important it 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: is to know the person, what their longevity is, what 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: their mindset is. Are they somebody who's going to crumble 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: under pressure eventually or not? And it gave me a 79 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: lot of pause because I don't know if a lot 80 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: of other teams view it that way. Where and you 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: know your category is if I'm allowed to talk about 82 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: some of. 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: Your categories, I can tell you this for the last 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days, what you came into 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: the if you call it our draft house, our draft room, 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: and noticed we've discussed that for three hundred and sixty 87 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: five days, probably not everyone, but the people that heard it, go, oh, 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: would Shannon like to date this person? So you can 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: go from there. 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Okay, well we're going to get into that in one second, 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: because yeah, we'll get. 92 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: Into the category. Yes, it's a tease for the audience. 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting there, We're getting there, We're getting there. 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: So I would say you picked some diamonds in the rough, 95 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: or maybe to the outside world you picked some diamonds 96 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: in the rough, but because of this board, perhaps they 97 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: weren't diamonds in the rough to you. Like Puka for instance, 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: was he a diamond in the rough? 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: Considering where he was drafted? Fifth round? So against seven 100 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: seven rounds, he's five, there's only two left in the draft, 101 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: and for him to go and basically break all the 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: rookie receiving records based on the results he had it 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: during his rookie year, he would be considered a diming 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: in the rough, not necessarily for the Rams. And I 105 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 2: can't even say this. Every team in the NFL knew 106 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: about Puka and they probably had him somewhere on their 107 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: draft board. Now, at the end of the day, we 108 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: can get into why it was a really really successful 109 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: first year of marriage for us with Puka. But I'm 110 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: not going to say no one knew about him, but 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: all thirty two teams, including us, chose not to pick 112 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: him in the first four rounds. We chose to do 113 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: it in the fifth. Now I'll give you this nugget. 114 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: We can go from there. He went to the Combine. 115 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: So the Combines in Indianapolis, and that's where these college 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: kids go once a year and they do non football drills. 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: So there's no pads, there's no helmets, there's no route 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: to run, no defender trying to cover him. So, if 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: you know, Pokah is a very big, strong human being 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: at receiver, so he is better since we're in La Lakers. 121 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that the way he gets 122 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: open is almost like a basketball player, like a Laker, 123 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: like Shaquille O'Neill bodying up someone and getting a rebound. 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: So point being is, he goes to Indianapolis and they 125 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: just think about this. They're going to run basically a 126 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: race where you're gonna get a blue ribbon red, you know, 127 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: blue red or yell. He's not the fastest in a 128 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: race for forty yards. So because of that knowledge and 129 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: over the years of knowing that the slower receiver is 130 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: usually the later, he goes in the draft. But because 131 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: of that, we knew we probably could pick some other 132 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: players before him. But we definitely wanted to pick Puoka 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: at some point now based on the way he played, 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: should have picked him earlier, should at least picked him 135 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: in the fourth round. 136 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, he did insane things, but you also 137 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: picked you know other what I would perceive for diamonds 138 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: in the rough lake, I don't know. When I saw 139 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: the team put together, I just like, wow, Like that's 140 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: that's a really interesting. 141 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, cool thing about that rookie group. Kobe Turner drafted 142 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: in the third round, Pookah in the fifth. They both 143 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: finished let's call it second for an individual award to 144 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: two players who were picked in the first round, So 145 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: they both finished offensive rookie. They're Pukah second to c. J. 146 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: Stroud who was Houston's QB, and Kobe to Will Anderson, 147 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: who was also Houston's you know, outside linebacker. Point being, 148 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: both of those players were probably picked in the top 149 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: ten players of the draft, so usually those guys are 150 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: expected to probably win those type of awards. But so 151 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: it is neat that those two players, being you know 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: where they were picked, if you want to call it, 153 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: diamonds in the rough came in and said, wait a minute, 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: look at me. Remember me, I can play football too. 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: So it's meat and they did. I think the entire 156 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: group of rookies that you had did an exceptional job 157 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: in this season for the most part. Obviously, Puka stood 158 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: out because our mutual friend Christy oh yeah, like just 159 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: loves him, loves him, loves him, loves him. So it 160 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: was adopted, adopted him, like started making him food. Well, 161 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: what are the Hawaiian dish? 162 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Hawaiian basically sushi made of spam. I 163 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: mean the moment she made Puka. 164 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: That, yes, Christy and Pooka bonded over their spam sushi 165 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: thing that she made him all the time. 166 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: We can get into Christie, but that's Christy being Christy, 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: but Puka really appreciate. I can say this and we 168 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: can get to it. It's the neat thing. Football is 169 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: very similar to life, let's call it. We've got a 170 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: lot of veteran players a little bit older in life 171 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: and end of the day, right when you play into 172 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: year seven, eight, nine, ten, you've pretty much made it, 173 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: gotten a second contract, maybe even a third. Different levels 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: of let's call it football money and wealth, but set 175 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: for a lot of families. But the neat thing is 176 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: just like life. Those players, they're veterans. They got a 177 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: lot of noise in life, right, based on going through 178 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: stuff that happens in life. You know, relationships that come 179 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: and go, and let's call it parents that may come 180 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: and go. So they're just going through stuff, even though 181 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: you look at them on Sundays and go, oh, they're 182 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: football players are having fun. But these rookies, it's like, 183 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: wait a minute, they had made it, they had reached 184 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: their dream, you know. So it's probably similar to your 185 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: business where you could be a first time actress. You've 186 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: kind of made it and it's the first time your 187 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: own set with this. 188 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: It's exciting twenty years yeah. 189 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: Actor actress. But maybe they're You're like, wow, why are 190 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: they not as excited about the. 191 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: Way they're calm? They don't have a lot of nerves. 192 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: They're used to it. And I'm like the hungry young 193 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: buck that's like so stoked that I'm even there that 194 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: maybe I try so much harder versus now. So I 195 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: get what you're saying. Like the veterans, they're used to it. 196 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: It's routine. It doesn't mean that they don't have passion 197 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: for it still, but you know, they've seen a lot 198 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: and by the way, the older you get, the more 199 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: prone to injuries you are. I would imagine for me 200 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: there would be a little bit of fear there that 201 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: I know that the veterans must have to sort of 202 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: psyche themselves out of of like, oh my god, you know, 203 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to get injured. I don't want to 204 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: get sacked too hard. I don't want this. I don't 205 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: want that because then if it's a serious injury, it 206 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: puts them out of their career. They're done. Whereas the rookies, 207 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: are they even thinking about stuff like that? 208 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: Are they They're like, there was this energy that was 209 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: very contagious and ignited, ignited us to have a let's 210 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: call overchief from a season standpoint, Yeah, and it was 211 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: pretty cool to take what they did on the field. 212 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: That's important. They kind of what they brought, you know, 213 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: in what we call the locker room right where you know, 214 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: there's fifty three men from a lot of different places, 215 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: a lot of different sociological backgrounds, ages, the whole deal, 216 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: from all over the all over the United States. I 217 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: think Jason Kelsey and we won't he just had a 218 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: great retirement speech, but he said the NFL is like 219 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: a place where a guy who went to Stanford can 220 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: basically line up beside a guy who basically went to 221 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Kilgore Junior College in Texas and partner with each other 222 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: for however many years the equals and work together. It's 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: it's a cool thing. But that's what I remember about 224 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: this rookie class. 225 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I mean, you have experienced because you 226 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: were a football player. 227 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: Yes, not a legend, but that's the I don't know, 228 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: weren't you really The answer was probably maybe in high school. 229 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: Then you get to the next level of the video 230 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: game and you realize you're not as good. A lot 231 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: of times, people in my job or coaching, we weren't 232 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: really good enough to play in the NFL, but we 233 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: still had a passion for football, and here we are 234 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: doing this. So usually the better players play than some 235 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: of us who play. We kind of get weeded out 236 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: and it's time for you to hang up the cleats 237 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: and helmet. 238 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: And so then you became a scout, right right, So 239 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: how did you go from being a scout? And I 240 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: think you were a scout with two different teams, The Jaguars. 241 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: J WARS was first dam Jacksonville j Wars. 242 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: And who was the second Atlanta Falcons Atlanta Falcons. So 243 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: how did you go from being a scout to a 244 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: general manager? 245 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: You know that two things. Probably a lot of luck. 246 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: And I mean that obviously there's a lot of people 247 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: in the NFL who probably have the potential to be 248 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: a general manager. And then when I get into luck, 249 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: is you're fortunate enough to be around a collective that 250 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: at that moment is succeeding. I often say around lucky 251 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: enough to be a part of a team that has 252 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: a really good quarterback. So in Atlanta we had Matt Ryan. 253 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: Now I was a part of selecting Matt Ryan, things 254 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: like that, but at the end of the day, because 255 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: of his success, because of our success in Atlanta, what 256 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: ends up happening is is other NFL teams who aren't 257 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: as successful in that moment in time, they try they 258 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: want to replicate success. They're not having as much success, 259 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: so they start looking at teams that have had success, 260 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: and is there anyone in that organization right that can 261 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: come to our organization maybe ignite it. So, I humbly say, 262 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: in so many years in it, you realize how lucky 263 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: you are, even though, like the old age is when 264 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: you get that break or you get that lucky opportunity, 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: it's best to have prepared so that you have a 266 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: chance to maybe interview for one of those jobs and 267 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: if you if you actually win that job, actually have 268 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: a chance to be successful. 269 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: Right because luck only lasts so long. Luck always sort 270 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: of runs out, and what you have to you have 271 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: to back it up with knowledge and talent and ability, 272 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: which you obviously did because you've been doing it for 273 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: a bit. 274 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting. It's one of those. It's 275 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: probably one. It's a very niche career to go into 276 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: a lot of times, right, if you want to get 277 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: in your business, you're going to start as a no. One. 278 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: So there is a lot of wait a minute, I'm 279 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: not going to go to law school and take that 280 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: type of path, which it probably there's a little bit 281 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: more structure to it. Right, You go to a law school, 282 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: you come out, you go to a law firm. If 283 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: you actually work hard and good at what you do. 284 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: So now you're really like, wait a minute, I really 285 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: for some reason love doing this version of art and 286 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: you take a risk. There's not a lot of money 287 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: early in it, because there are a lot of times 288 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: in the football ecosystem instead of waiting tables and trying 289 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: to memorize lines and win a job for a role 290 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: on television or a play or a movie. There is 291 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: a little more structure in football, but what they call 292 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: there's there's kind of these entry level jobs which do 293 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: not pay a lot, but at the end of the day, 294 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: if you pay your dues, if you work hard, persevere 295 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: and persevere to gain the experience, and at the end 296 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: of the day, once you have this subset of experience, right, 297 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: you grow up playing football, in my case, grew up 298 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: playing football. At one time, I was thinking about med 299 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: school and a lot of people will ask how do 300 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: I get into football? How to become a writing And 301 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: now I'm going, you know, I say, you got to 302 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: get a PhD in football, But at the end of 303 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: the day, I'm not sure I would recommend that because 304 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: you can get a PhD in something, and usually there's 305 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: there's kind of a structured job. 306 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: There's a job. 307 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: They may pay different levels, but the end of the day, 308 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: if you go to med school and you probably become 309 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: a doctor, you get a PhD in football, where does 310 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: it lead. 311 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: It's definitely it can be a crap shoot. 312 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: Definitely a crap. 313 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: Shoot, Yeah, you're gambling, but you're gambling on yourself, which 314 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: to me, I think that there there are certain personalities. 315 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I always say to people that ten out of ten, 316 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to gamble on myself just because I know 317 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: that my I know my ambition, I know my drive, 318 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: I know my work ethic and I think the same 319 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: review and we have a lot of we talked about this, 320 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: We have a lot of similarities in our personalities. And 321 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: I feel like you're the guy who who's like, yeah, 322 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to gamble on myself. 323 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: Definitely. Here here's what's really neat where it probably ties 324 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: again early in your career in late you're betting on yourself. Young, 325 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: neat thing. You're probably not mayrior, you probably don't have 326 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: a family, there's not a lot of mouths to feed. 327 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: You can live off not much, but you're betting on yourself. 328 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: So fast forward that fifteen twenty years later and you 329 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: to become a general manager. But now you have the 330 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: responsibility of a team that's in Los Angeles. That was 331 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: coming back to Los Angeles that while it was going 332 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: to be really neat for the NFL for after so 333 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: many years of not being in Los Angeles, coming back 334 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: and succeeding here. Whether it's somewhere coded in your DNA 335 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: probably is a little bit, Whether it's those experience of 336 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: betting yourself, betting on yourself early when there was really 337 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: you didn't really know if there was a pot of 338 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: gold on the other end of the rainbow. You know, 339 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: you're not really sure if you're going to be successful 340 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: or not. But you're definitely responsible for the Los Angeles 341 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: Rams being successful. So I think that really those early days, 342 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: middle days that lead to here kind of make that pressure, 343 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: that responsibility probably feel a less less heavier than some would. 344 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Think, right like you and Sean Theay, the coach of 345 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: the Rams. You guys seemed very tight and very much 346 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: a team. At what point did you two meet and 347 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: form that bond. 348 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: Well, it was really during the when we were interviewing 349 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: him to become our head coach. 350 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: So you were already general manager. 351 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: I was already general manager, and we had been in St. Louis. 352 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: We relocated to Los Angeles in twenty sixteen too, and 353 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: we didn't succeed. Twenty sixteen was a bad year, and 354 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: at that point in time, I was very fortunate their 355 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: ownership allowed me to that they saw enough of me 356 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: to go, we're going to give you a shot to 357 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: be a part of continuing with the Rams and help 358 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: hire the new head football coach that you were going 359 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: to partner with. So that was really the first time 360 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: we met. Shawn's really one of those wiz kids in 361 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: terms of when we hired him to be our head 362 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: football coach. He was thirty years all young, I mean 363 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: that is young, and but he was really good at 364 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: what he did in terms of calling offensive play. So 365 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: he's the guy in charge of if you watch football right, 366 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: the offense has the ball and they run a play, 367 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: they go back to the huddle and someone calls a 368 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: play into the QB and they go run another play. 369 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: But it's all basically a chess match, some version of 370 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: a poker match where there is a lot of strategy involved, 371 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 2: and he's he was really really good at that, and 372 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: that's normally how you get your shot to be a 373 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: head coach. You're either going to be really good at 374 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: being an offensive or defensive coordinator. He was one of those. 375 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: But the new thing is, wow, at thirty years old, 376 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 2: you could tell. I've often said we either I know, 377 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: we changed your life for the better, but we might 378 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: have ruined it because I you could probably have a 379 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: different story. But a lot of us in our thirties 380 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: didn't have that type of pressure and responsibility. I mean, 381 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: you kind of got to live your thirties like to. 382 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: I do nothing but pressure in my twenti and thirties. 383 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, you signed up for it. That's what I did. 384 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: I signed up. 385 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: So that's where you could probably relate to Sean for sure, right, 386 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: being that young, but also caring, right, having the responsibility 387 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: of helping a television show, being really, really, really successful. 388 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Like I never see him on the sidelines getting really 389 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: worked up, and I watch a large majority of the games, 390 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: and I've never really seen him like lose his shit. 391 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: I do know some people are doing well. I mean 392 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably you know, you're exactly. 393 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Right on the sideline in the heat of pressure. He 394 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: is very, very skilled to be able to be that poise, 395 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: be that calm, be able to assess what's going on 396 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: in real time and right call the right plays. 397 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: But you're the same way. 398 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: I am the same way. But his job's going to entail. 399 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: Let's call it. Let's call quicker decisions when there's a 400 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: lot of chaos going on my job, and it's one 401 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: of the reasons why, one of the reasons why we 402 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: partner so well. My job it's more let's call it assessing, analyzing. 403 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: There's probably more time to make decisions. So very very 404 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: interesting how the two skill sets are similar but different. 405 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: I guess you call it. We're both highly confident people, 406 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: but we really don't allow our egos. I'm pretty sure 407 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: we have them. I know we do, but we don't 408 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: allow our egos to and that's what happens a lot 409 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: of times in really good partnerships. Right, I'm sure you've 410 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: seen it in your world. It was like, wait a minute, 411 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: I want to be the star. I want to be 412 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: the co star. Wait, and I want to be the star. 413 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: So we work together. I don't want to do his job. 414 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: He really doesn't want to do my job, but we 415 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: both need each other. We both have to be on 416 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: the same page to do each other's job. So it's 417 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: a cool bond where I'm about twenty something years older 418 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: than him. So we have a very big brother little 419 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: brother relationship and that we're really close. You know, we 420 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: can we can punch each other out, not literally, but 421 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: you know, and come back five minutes later and it's 422 00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: really cool. 423 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is for the listeners. You guys, I've 424 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: now known last for a couple of years. I know 425 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: his wife, and I personally have never met someone so 426 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: incredibly level headed and humble and kind as you in 427 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: your position. There's obviously a lot of people out there 428 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: that are humble, kind and all of that stuff. But 429 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: you're the GM and the Los Angeles Rams, you know, 430 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: like that to me is a huge important job. And 431 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: you don't have social media, but you must here to 432 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: some extent. Some of the fans grumbling at times are 433 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: angry or because they only see and I know this 434 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: from my experience and also watching it happen to you 435 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and just the Rams in general. The fans don't know 436 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: all the particulars. They don't know the inside of what's happening. 437 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: They don't know that what's happening with this player at 438 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: that moment, or why you made that decision. They just 439 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: know that maybe that decision failed or maybe that play 440 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: was the wrong play. Because they're passionate and they love 441 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: the sport and they love the team, and because you're 442 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: on social media, you must be somewhat insulated from all 443 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: of the noise. But at the same time, I know 444 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: you do hear some of the noise. What is that like? 445 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: You know, it's a little bit older school, but very 446 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: intentional with the social media not having it just because 447 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's not just to 448 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: avoid the noise, but it's also probably to avoid the 449 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: noise of the world. Right, And there's times I will 450 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: obviously go and go, okay, this will you will intentionally 451 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: spend time to okay, let me look at world news 452 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: and see what's going on. But I think if you're 453 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: in my position, if you're responsible for leading a sports franchise, 454 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: it's awesome that the fans care. I've often wondered about 455 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: us in football, would we do this if no one 456 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: watched or care? Like to think so, But you often 457 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: wonder would you? So that's interesting? 458 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't do it if I wasn't getting paid. 459 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: No, that's interestingly right, because you because they help you 460 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: get paid. So number that's the you have to approach 461 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: it with the awareness with thirty thousand feet that Okay, 462 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: they do care. Like you said, they don't necessarily know 463 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: the nuance of their every decision. I'm sure our fans 464 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: like some of the free agency signed, some we didn't 465 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: wish we'd have gotten this player or not. Right, you 466 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: can appreciate what they won't desire, but at the end 467 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: of the day, I know this, they really desire a 468 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: winning football team. So it kind of all comes together 469 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: during the season. And if we're winning, you know what, 470 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: we're all jacked and we're all doing it together. So 471 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: you have That's how you got to approach the fans 472 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: in terms of they're passionate and it's cool. 473 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: To hear their voice, and you really get locked in, 474 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: Like you get so locked in during this season you 475 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: are an even preseason, like when is the draft house 476 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: coming up? 477 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: The draft houses in of April. We were about to 478 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: really hit full throttle draft preparation. Where As my wife says, 479 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: I have no life skills at all during that time, 480 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: probably a lot of the year in football. 481 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: Then your wife let us know, like was she let 482 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: me know that you canceled Christmas at some point? 483 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: That's a good one. Listeners can appreciate this, and I 484 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: go through this still today. So I cancel Christmas on 485 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: I think it was it was a Christmas Eve game. 486 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: I was with the Falcons then, and at the end 487 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 2: of the day it was Christmas Eve, and the winner 488 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: of that game is going to go to the playoffs, 489 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: and the losers and not so probably a four o'clock 490 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: Eastern kickoff Christmas Eve game goes in overtime. I think 491 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: we're down. We score late in the game to put 492 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 2: the game over time. We kick off to Tampa Bay 493 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: and they fumbled the kickoff. So at the end of 494 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: the day, they fumbled the kickoff, probably inside their ten 495 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: yard line, so they pretty much gift us. In those days, 496 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: overtime rules are different. But we kick a field goal, 497 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: we win the game, we go to the playoffs, we 498 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: get on the plane and go home, we celebrate Christmas. 499 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: So we set up for basically a field goal what 500 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: would be an extra point. It's the thing that happens 501 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 2: after a touchdown where everyone goes and goes they have 502 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: six points and when I come back, they'll have seven. Right, 503 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: It's basically a gimmy field goal. Tampa Bay ends up 504 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: blocking our field goal and walks it off for a touchdown, 505 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: game winning touchdown, or I can't remember, or they ran 506 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: it all the way back. We stop them, but they 507 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: kicked the field goal to win it. They go to the playoffs. 508 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: We don't. Our season is now over losing. I feel 509 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: like it's the most excruciating pain you can go through, 510 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: right without it being some real life tragedy. Right, You're 511 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: basically devastated and get back on a plane, fly back 512 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: to Atlanta. At that point in time, have two little ones, 513 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: and the next morning's Christmas. But not in the headspace, 514 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: not emotionally. We're canceling this now. How can you do 515 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: that to your two kids? So there's they got to 516 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: open presents and things like that. Yeah, I was definitely 517 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 2: not present. I was not having any of this. You know, 518 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: Santa Claus is not real? Why are we? This is 519 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: losing that game yesterday is real? Santa Claus? Who cares? 520 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: There's no Santa Claus kids. I know you're only three 521 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: and one, but you need to learn that now. I 522 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: can what age fifty three? Now? I think we can 523 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: still be going through. Let's just say we had a 524 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: tough two or three games, and it's pretty cool when 525 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: you find a local coffee shop and eventually whenever you 526 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: go normally get coffee or whatever, you're going to end 527 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: up meeting people and the kind of the regulars there. 528 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: But right here in Malibu, there are definitely times when 529 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: I go, you know what, I can't go face them. 530 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: We lost. We have two game losing streak. I'm miserable. 531 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: I got to go to another coffee shop where no 532 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: one knows me, and right I can go in and 533 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: just get coffee and get out of there. 534 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: Or you have people like myself and Christy to take 535 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: you for hikes. Yes, instead day the super Bowl is here, 536 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: get your head away from it. 537 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: It's interesting most people watch the super Bowl right most 538 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: watched entertainment event of the year usually, and I rarely 539 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: watch any of them because I've been a part of 540 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: being in three of them, so wasn't born for all 541 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: of them. So I've basically, you know, seen about three 542 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: super Bowls. Now I can say this. There's times I've 543 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: kind of watched a half here there, but usually I 544 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: try to avoid it, like this past super Bowl where 545 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: we went hiking and there's a lot of PTSD either. 546 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: I understand that there's a few jobs in my life 547 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: that I've lost to another actress and I haven't been 548 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: able to watch the movie. 549 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: Like that's cool. 550 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: I can really, Yeah, I mean i'll give you like heat. 551 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: For example, the Michael Man. I really wanted that movie. Obviously, 552 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: Robert s Niro al Pacino, like, you know, Michael Mann 553 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: and Ashley Judd got the part instead of me, and 554 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't bear to watch the film. I eventually watched it, like, 555 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: but I had to give myself a couple of years 556 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: before I could watch it, because I just there are 557 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: certain jobs that you audition for that you care so 558 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: much about, like everything is perfect about it, yes, everything, 559 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: and and you walk away from your audition and you're like, 560 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: I nailed at this job as mine, and you're so 561 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: confident that you're going to be in that movie, and 562 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: when you're told that they picked somebody else, it's devastating. 563 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: It's really really really hard. So then to all of 564 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: a sudden walk from the movie theater and see somebody 565 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: else doing the job that you know you were like 566 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: born for is incredibly hard. Now that you know the 567 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: other side of that is that she was born for 568 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: it too, right, she did like a phenomenal job, And 569 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: we're totally different actresses and we come with, you know, 570 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: a different set of skills and everything else. So what 571 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: she did was different than what I did, and obviously 572 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: they liked what she did better. That's why they picked her. 573 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: And years later when I sat down to watch the movie, 574 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: I was like, damn it, she's really good in it. 575 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: It was like having to admit that they made the 576 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: right decision essentially, But yeah, it took. 577 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: Time, right, Yeah, years and maybe a little more maturity, 578 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: but I'm sure the years experienced. Whatever. Football is like anything, 579 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: there's there's times right you're it's interesting the emotional dynamics 580 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: you go through of only two teams are going to 581 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: be in the super only ones going to win. But 582 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: it's like if it's a really a rival, if it's 583 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: if it's a competitor that you really really are let's 584 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: call it good friends with and you go, man, I'm 585 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: pulling for that person. But then there's that element of 586 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: like I'm still jealous. And then there's there's times where 587 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'm a bad human being. I'm really 588 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: pulling for this right this movie to just bomb, you 589 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: know what I mean. But that's you go through that. 590 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: We laugh, but you make a good point. Now being 591 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: in my role, Sean's role, and we're going through it 592 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: now where a lot of our players contracts expired. So 593 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: if you're drafted, you got four years basically, and then 594 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: after four years of contract inspires we either signed you 595 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: back to a second contract, another team could come in 596 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: and sign you, or we actually say to you we 597 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: would rather have someone else we're gonna sign. So it may. 598 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: It just made me think that Sean and I talked 599 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: about it's such a hard call to call out of respect, 600 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: go like, Okay, can we at least explain to someone 601 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: who we've worked with for four years and go, this 602 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: is why, this is the reason you deserve to hear 603 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: that probably not getting a Christmas card that year, but 604 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: at the end of the day too, people like yourself 605 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: who didn't get that job that are talented. The reality 606 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: is you're probably going to get another one, but just 607 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: not that one. 608 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: Are you the one who calls the players and lets them. 609 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: Go Yes, And a lot of times Sean and I 610 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: do it together. We like to do it, going back 611 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: to our relationship where partners in this. He's a very 612 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: relational person. It's probably one of his superpowers, but it's 613 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: also something that's very exhausting for him and that he 614 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: really gets to know as players. He really cares about them. 615 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: He has high demands, high standards. He wants them to 616 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: be the best football that player, the thing being, he 617 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: wants him to play quality football and he's going to 618 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: the most to get push him to get there, along 619 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: with the staff. But in those moments it's so exhausting 620 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: for him. But because he truly cares, he wants to 621 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: be a part of the hard conversations. But we do 622 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: like to, you know, make those cuts together. 623 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: And is that draining on you? Because I would imagine 624 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: you now know these players, Sean you know definitely knows them. 625 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: You know that they have families, you know that they 626 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: have mortgages. But your job is to do what's best 627 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: for the team. Overall. Your job is to win and succeed. 628 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: And if a player isn't playing their best or you know, 629 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: maybe things have just the dynamic on the team has 630 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: shifted with some of the rookies or whatever, and you 631 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: know that this player is no longer gelling. And I'm 632 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: not talking about personalities like play style, it's just not gelling. 633 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: So you know that you have to get rid of them. 634 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: But in the back of your head, I would imagine 635 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: that it would be incredibly hard to let someone go 636 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: because you do know everything about them. 637 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: It's very it's very hard. It weighs on you. But 638 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: we are a team. Where are the Los Angeles Rams. 639 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 2: We're collective. It's our responsibility to, as we say a 640 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: lot of times, just have the most competent collective as possible. 641 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: And that does sometimes mean you got to look someone 642 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 2: in the eye and say, I think we would be 643 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: more competent basically without you. So that is so you 644 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: make a good point, though sometimes I have found it 645 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: when you're doing that with leta's say, a player has 646 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: been with you maybe eight years, that player's successful, good family, 647 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: will probably get a chance to play again. Right, You've 648 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: probably been a part of a lot of good times 649 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: with that player, even even from a financial standpoint. Sometimes 650 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: you find that a little bit. They're tough because those 651 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: are the relationship. But those relationships you're usually going to 652 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: be in a year or two, you're still going to 653 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: be close with that person. I found it so hard 654 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: when you, let's call it, have a young rookie who, 655 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: right is just out of college, and all that person's 656 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: been doing is playing football, and all of a sudden, 657 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: it's like you cut him and drop him off a cliff, 658 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: their life just got shattered. Where this veteran there's an 659 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: element of stability already if. 660 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I've seen it, probably throughout their career. 661 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: So but there are time and that you just don't 662 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: because obviously the question may come with do you think 663 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: I have a chance to play? But you really don't 664 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: know because a lot of times, right their skill level 665 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: is let's call it the left side of the bell curve. 666 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of people on the planet like them. 667 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: So mom and dad, God didn't give them some genetic 668 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: traits that Okay, yeah, you're always going to be in 669 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: the NFL, right, you're you're right on the line. So 670 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: it's those players sometimes where you go, wow, that was 671 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 2: that was hard. 672 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because they're young, and all of a sudden 673 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: you've given them the chance of a lifetime and they 674 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: think my life has completely changed and this is amazing, 675 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: and then it changes yet again. 676 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 2: And they've usually been the best player in high school, 677 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: college or one of the best, and now all of 678 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 2: a sudden you're cutting them. Often, these the guys were 679 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: usually weren't cut, you know, they didn't they didn't go 680 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: through the trauma of the Michael Jordan's story where I 681 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: got cut by my eighth grade basketball. Not many of them, 682 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, most of it am Yeah. 683 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: But they're also now playing in a much larger arena 684 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: with you know, hundreds of guys who are also the best. 685 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: So you know, there's the weeding out process that has 686 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: to happen at some point. Let's talk about the board. 687 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: The board. 688 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the board. 689 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: That was early tease. 690 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: It was a really early tease and women, some of 691 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: the women listening are like, Okay, what's the tian? They're wondering. First, 692 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: the tian is that I've always been a football fan. 693 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: My father was a big USC fan, as you know, 694 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: we've had this discussion, and I grew up going to 695 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: a sea game games, so I've always been in a 696 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 1: football and going to the draft house was the most 697 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: exciting thing ever for me. And if my dad were alive, 698 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, he would have been over the moon seeing 699 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: this board. And somebody had talked to me. I think 700 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: it was Christie or maybe it was your wife who 701 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: had talked to me about sort of what your process was, 702 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: and I kind of equated it to the only thing 703 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: I could think before I saw it for myself was 704 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, the movie Moneyball. I was like, Okay, is 705 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: he doing something like they did in Moneyball? 706 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: And in a way, in a way, there's a lot 707 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: of Moneyball in Yeah, not as much in football in baseball, 708 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: but we do. I mean you saw all the computer screens. 709 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: I think that analyzing is what's similar obviously, not the 710 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: not the financial of it, but the how much analyzing 711 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: goes into it. So, as somebody recently said on my podcast, 712 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: they said, you know, Shannon, your your picker is broken, 713 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: and it really hit home because I've known it for 714 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: a long time. I got a few boyfriends here and 715 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: there that I was very lucky with. It had nothing 716 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: to do with my picker. It's just they ended up 717 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: being amazing guys. I pick the wrong men for me. 718 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: I pick men with red flags, Like all over the place, 719 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: I see a red flag and I charge towards it. 720 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't run away from it when I should be 721 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: running away. So when I saw the buyer beware category 722 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: on your thing, I was like, oh, that's all the 723 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 1: men in my life came from that category buyer beware. 724 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: And I dove right into that category. 725 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 2: These four categories we'll talk about right now, and that's 726 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 2: what you notice are it's four categories, and they're probably 727 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 2: going to be where you draft your first round pick, 728 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: your second round pick. So a first round pick in 729 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: the dating world wouldn't be you know what, it's a 730 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: random Saturday at a club and you're just gonna you know, 731 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 2: that's not first round worthy, right, that's just that maybe 732 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 2: later in the draft, like you know what, Saturday night, 733 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: I say that I meet this guy, we go hang out. 734 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: So there you go. So these are important. These are important. Uh, 735 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: let's call it decisions to make. So what you saw 736 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 2: is we have math changer. So a math changer, let's 737 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: say we if you're a Laker fan, think Lebron James math. 738 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 2: It probably takes two people to guard him and not one, right, 739 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: so he changes the math on the court. Uh, there's 740 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: not many of those, especially in the draft. And then 741 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: then there's this I call it reliable starter. And what's 742 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: interesting about the reliable starter, probably in the dating world, 743 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 2: would be, oh, man, is that a little bit boring? 744 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 2: But stable? Right? Maybe like he's a you know what, 745 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: he's a lawyer, but you know what I mean, it's 746 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 2: kind of a little boring, stable, not a math changer. 747 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. What a math changer. Math changer probably 748 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 2: changes in you're in the dating world, right, depending on 749 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: where you're at and where you're at in your life. Right. 750 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: But and then there's the oh, this guy has probably 751 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: some math changing capabilities, reliable startup capabilities, but not as consistent. 752 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: There's a buyer beware element based on something and it 753 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: could be intangibly. It could be a physical trait to 754 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 2: like maybe in football we like tough players, so maybe 755 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 2: more finesse than tough. There's something there that you go, 756 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: you know what, if we're going to pick someone the 757 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 2: date long term, it's like, it's like the person your 758 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 2: dad warned you about, but you know, if your dad 759 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: it's like, but there, maybe I don't want to give 760 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 2: them the dad. But maybe this guy has a man 761 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 2: it's got really really good abs, but he's got some 762 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 2: red flags, as you said, so he's like, do you really? 763 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: So that's that's that's probably your three categories. So what's 764 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 2: very interesting as we draft, because we are betting on 765 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: this player for four years, that's at least dating him 766 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: or living with him or marrying him for four years. 767 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 2: Is it better to go with that reliable start a 768 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 2: math changer if he's there and it's got a clean profile, 769 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 2: that's easy. Not many of those, so usually you're having 770 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 2: to pick between kind of the little the more boring 771 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 2: but stable, or a little more exciting but less predictable 772 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: red flax. So that puts it in context. We can 773 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 2: get into the other categories, but I think, I think 774 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 2: that that's where we're at. So I understand. I have 775 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: a eighteen going on nineteen year old daughter, so I 776 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: understand the buyer beware category. And I've been young before. 777 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: So ad for her. 778 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: You know what, Here's what I always do is I'm 779 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: well aware who she's dating, what what bucket I have 780 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 2: them in again at eighteen or nineteen, Maybe maybe they 781 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: don't even I don't even know if you can be 782 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 2: a math changer as a nineteen year old. I mean yeah, 783 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 2: I mean if it is, I don't want to know 784 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: why they're the math changer, especially if you have an 785 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen year old daughter. But you see it, Yeah, 786 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 2: you kind of can visualize, Okay, that that's a buyer beware. 787 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: Okay, So for me, my picker's program tempting. So you're 788 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: going to do the board for me, And that's how 789 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: we're going to pack