WEBVTT - Warriors Deep Dive: Jonathan Kuminga situation, Al Horford's impact, will Steph & Jimmy win title?

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<v Speaker 1>The volume. All right, welcome to Hoops and I here

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<v Speaker 1>at the volume heavy Wednesday. Everybody, Oh Paul, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are having a great week. We are so happy to

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<v Speaker 1>have Sam's fondi Ari from the Warriors, who covers the

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<v Speaker 1>Warriors with the light Years podcast on the show today.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing a mail bag earlier this morning and

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<v Speaker 1>we had a question that was asking about my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>off season moves and my least favorite off season moves.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was going back through and there's one team,

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<v Speaker 1>conspicuously who's done a whole lot of nothing. And Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing a lot of chairs on my social

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<v Speaker 1>media feed all of a sudden, I was hoping you

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<v Speaker 1>could kind of get me up to speed with how

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<v Speaker 1>the Warriors off season, how the fan base is doing

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<v Speaker 1>with this offseason so far.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in the chair right now. That is what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in Warriors Land. I mean, on the plus side,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get nominated for worst move of

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<v Speaker 2>the offseason. Can't be nominated for worst move if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't done anything yet. Uh No, it's been weird, and

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<v Speaker 2>like I've been kind of oscillating between frustration over like

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<v Speaker 2>what are they doing? And then the more rational side,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like new CBA seems like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of new behaviors that we didn't see in previous years,

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to rationalize it, like maybe this is the

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<v Speaker 2>new reality of how this stuff goes. Maybe it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a little more like baseball, which no one should

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<v Speaker 2>really want to be, like where the free agency period

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<v Speaker 2>leads to players being unsigned until like a week before

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<v Speaker 2>players report for spring training or in the NBA's case,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, training camp. Maybe that's maybe that's the new reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's the paradigm shift we're moving towards. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, If nothing else, it's not what I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they finally make the big move, right the go

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<v Speaker 1>get Jimmy and I remember you and I. You and

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<v Speaker 1>I discussed a throughout the last season, like which kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy they would potentially go after. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>a Cam Johnson, would it be a Zach Levine? I

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<v Speaker 1>remember you and I even getting into a discussion over

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<v Speaker 1>the pros and cons between Zach and Jimmy and like

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<v Speaker 1>what their fit is like. And I would argue the

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy fit has been a resounding success. It is unlocked

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<v Speaker 1>a higher level of belief and motivation from Stephen Draymond

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<v Speaker 1>and tied so many loose ends together. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look around the league, they still look before we go

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<v Speaker 1>any further, they still feel to me like a second

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<v Speaker 1>tier team in the West.

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<v Speaker 2>You agree with that, well, yeah, they only have nine

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<v Speaker 2>players on the roster, So yeah, like by virtue of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it's incomplete, I mean, if they go

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<v Speaker 2>into the season nine players, I don't know if they'll

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<v Speaker 2>make it to the playoffs. To be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>they might just not be healthy. But yeah, i'd agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you, Like a lot of it depends on how

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<v Speaker 2>they round out this roster. I think you can make

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<v Speaker 2>a case that they have a championship level core, but

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<v Speaker 2>because it's older, they don't just need two additional players.

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<v Speaker 2>They need like five or six rotation players that they trust,

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<v Speaker 2>and they probably need a little bit of luck health

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<v Speaker 2>wise to get into a playoff series fully healthy, which

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the case last year of Minnesota. Then and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens. But yeah, to your point, like

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<v Speaker 2>second tier at best right now, given that theyly have

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<v Speaker 2>nine players and two of them are two way guys from.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, and there is that strong foundation, like I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe in Jimmy, Steph and Draymond as a core.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, they're older, which means they need more support,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the regular season with holding up for eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two games. But as we look around the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the West and we're seeing, for lack of a better

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<v Speaker 1>way of putting it, just everyone else is making additions. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>every like Denver, you could argue is better. The Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>are better, the Clippers are better, you can the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>City obviously is standing. Papa Houston got better. Everyone's getting better,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it seems like it's more the inactivity juxtaposed

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<v Speaker 1>with everything else than anything else at this point. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing that I'm looking at as I look

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<v Speaker 1>from obviously from Afar, it seems as though everything has

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<v Speaker 1>just been in a holding pattern based on the Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Kaminga situation. So what's going on with the Jonathan Minga situation?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you see this story ending?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so I think it's important that we explain why

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't signed other players because you've seen the reports.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the reports like apparently Al Horford is a

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<v Speaker 2>done deal and Danthony Melton is as close to a

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<v Speaker 2>done deal as one could be, which leads to questions

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<v Speaker 2>like why haven't they just signed already? Right until they

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<v Speaker 2>know what Kuminga's contract number is, they do not know

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<v Speaker 2>which exceptions they have access to and which ones they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So they might have handshake agreements, but if they sign

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<v Speaker 2>them first, it could trigger a situation where they would

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<v Speaker 2>actually hardcap themselves, and then another team could come in

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<v Speaker 2>and offer Kuminga a number that's legitimately too high for

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<v Speaker 2>them to match. Gotta love the new CBA turns us

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<v Speaker 2>all on to lawyers, right, So that's kind of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on with that situation. But to the bigger question,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what you're asking holding pattern. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's bad advice. I don't know if it's him

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<v Speaker 2>having unrealistic expectations for his market, but the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>he sees himself as a player could be an all

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<v Speaker 2>star in this league, and he wants to be treated

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<v Speaker 2>and paid like one like the player I always think

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<v Speaker 2>of as Jalen Green. They were teammates on that G

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<v Speaker 2>League iig NIT team. From Kuminga's perspective, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>saw Jalen Green go to Houston and get three years

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, thirty five minutes a game, figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he got to screw up along the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and then at the end of it, he got thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five million a year, and that's kind of been the

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<v Speaker 2>number that's been floated out there. Kuminga wants over thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that's the player he's benchmarking himself too, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Warriors, by virtue of the market and really using

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<v Speaker 2>comps of players similar to him, it seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>market says he's worth more like twenty. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of where we're sitting here, and I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what's going to force a move here, Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going to force something, because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like there's gonna be this secret team that

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<v Speaker 2>comes out of nowhere and opens up cap space and

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<v Speaker 2>throws this, you know, thirty million a year off a

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<v Speaker 2>sheet at him, And it doesn't seem like there's these

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<v Speaker 2>teams out there who are also willing to give it

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<v Speaker 2>to him and then negotiate a trade that satisfies the Warriors' needs,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Warriors want to get back a player who

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<v Speaker 2>they can use in their rotation and an asset for

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<v Speaker 2>him now, who knows what the actual settling price is,

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<v Speaker 2>but like all those variables are leading to what, honestly

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<v Speaker 2>like it feels like it's going to go another couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks at minimum at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to dig into this for a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because this is this to me is fascinating before

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<v Speaker 1>we look to the future in what this could look

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<v Speaker 1>like in terms of retaining him or as sign in

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<v Speaker 1>trade or anything that could happen to restricted free agency.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened Jonathan Minga is super unfortunate and it's unfortunate

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<v Speaker 1>for the Warriors as well. It's unfortunate on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense that you're right, Like if you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the Jalen Green situation, even if you could argue,

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue that Jalen's a better player than Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they're both in a similar tier. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen's shown just a little bit more of an explosive

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<v Speaker 1>upside as a score, but to your point, with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot longer runway, with a lot more opportunity. But even

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to argue that they're in that same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like situation, within that scope, I could see

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<v Speaker 1>why Jonathan Kminga would look at that and go like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell, man, Like, I'm stuck in this situation

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm expected to fit alongside this ecosystem that demands

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<v Speaker 1>these very specific things for me. Whereas with Jalen, he

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<v Speaker 1>was allowed to go and effectively be himself for better

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<v Speaker 1>or for worse, and that dictated this pathway that is

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<v Speaker 1>very different than what happened with Jonathan. You combine it

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that we head into a specific summer

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of available cap space around the where it's

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<v Speaker 1>brutal for anybody to be a restricted free agent in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular summer, and so it's just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>this confluence of really unfortunate events that has led to

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<v Speaker 1>this situation. So, if we could go back in time,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a specific moment within the last few years

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<v Speaker 1>where you think it made the most sense to trade

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and that had they done it at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been better for both of the parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean to me. As time goes on, the

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<v Speaker 2>most obvious moment was January of twenty twenty four, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was when he got benched in a game against

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<v Speaker 2>the Nuggets, and Steve Kerr benched him because he made

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of mistakes on defense and they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to win a game that happened to be that game

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<v Speaker 2>that Jokic basically hit a half court heave to win.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the peak of like what can't he do? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was just he was in like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those moments, but the Wards were winning. When Kuming was

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor, he got taken off and just that

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<v Speaker 2>that was a year's worth of frustration of him getting

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the short leash. Whereas you know, like obviously

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<v Speaker 2>like Steph has his games where he turns the ball

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<v Speaker 2>over but he doesn't get the short leash on a turnover,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that sort of thing. And he leaks to

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<v Speaker 2>he leaks to Shams that he's losing faith in Steve Kerr,

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<v Speaker 2>which is hilarious. He might be the worst player in

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<v Speaker 2>NBA history to demand it trade publicly at that point

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<v Speaker 2>in his NBA career. Like if you just think about

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<v Speaker 2>it as like, who are you to be publicly blasting

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<v Speaker 2>your championship head coach like this? You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's one thing if Lebron does it, It's honestly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like one thing. If like Westbrook or like established consistent

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<v Speaker 2>all stars do it, it's another thing if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's proven nothing in the in the context of

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<v Speaker 2>the league. To me, that was the moment where a

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<v Speaker 2>more savvy front office would have realized this isn't gonna work.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not gonna work. The head coach, the star players,

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<v Speaker 2>they have very specific expectations and he just does not

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy in the way they want to, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he can't. There's always that the possibility that like

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<v Speaker 2>he's just too raw, Like the only way he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>learn is giving him three thousand minutes with no leash,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't have the space to do it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always that argument, which is to give him what

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to get to where they need him to

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<v Speaker 2>get to, they would actually have to be okay with

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<v Speaker 2>throwing a season away, and they were never okay with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to me, that was the moment they should

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<v Speaker 2>have done it, because he was right in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of what was probably the best play of his career.

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<v Speaker 2>In that January he went on to I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers, but it was something like, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>scored over twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just a consistent thing where you could

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<v Speaker 2>see the vision of what he could become as a

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<v Speaker 2>player right where he's just like, no one can stay

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<v Speaker 2>in front of him one on one. He's too quick

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<v Speaker 2>and too strong to be guarded one on one in

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<v Speaker 2>an open paint, you know. And so that was when

0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Siakam got traded to Indiana. And I know there's rumors

0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.360
<v Speaker 2>that Siakam wasn't willing to re sign with the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see, every player says that until you put the

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<v Speaker 2>money in front of them. You know, every player, every

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<v Speaker 2>player said, Jimmy was unwilling to go to the Warriors

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<v Speaker 2>until they said they would maxim. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>unwilling to go, and they said, how do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about taking a you know, ten million of year pay

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<v Speaker 2>cut or something, and he's like, now I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Phoenix. You know, It's funny how those things change. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, that was the obvious point that they

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<v Speaker 2>should have done it hindsight's twenty twenty. Also, just from

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<v Speaker 2>a realistic standpoint, middle of his third year, it would

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<v Speaker 2>have given the team who traded for him at least

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<v Speaker 2>a year before they had to make a contract decision,

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<v Speaker 2>because now the single biggest issue they're dealing with, even

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to trade him, trading for him and

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteeing nine figures is a different thing than trading for

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<v Speaker 2>him when he's on a rookie deal and you have

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen months to figure out how much you really like

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<v Speaker 2>him and how much he's foundational for your team. So

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<v Speaker 2>for me, you know, it's easy to say they should

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<v Speaker 2>have traded him on draft night, but to me that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of the one where it's like, okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>kept him during the draft. He didn't develop as fast

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<v Speaker 2>as you wanted, and you didn't have the space to

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<v Speaker 2>give him the play anyway, and now you have these

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<v Speaker 2>public outbursts in a way that's kind of unbecoming, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, the way they played it, I think only

0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.520
<v Speaker 2>fueled him to kind of have an attitude and a

0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.280
<v Speaker 2>disdain for what they're doing, because I could have seen

0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.120
<v Speaker 2>him getting suspended for that. You know, you could have

0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.360
<v Speaker 2>seen another organization be like, you can't do that. You

0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.360
<v Speaker 2>know you can't publicly do that, We're suspending you. But

0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.400
<v Speaker 2>they put him in a starting lineup the next game.

0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.360
<v Speaker 2>They essentially gave him what he wanted. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it was hoping that, you know, this will come together.

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<v Speaker 2>I think hindsight shows us you can't. You know, human

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<v Speaker 2>nature is what it is, and you kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little more pragmatic and realistic in these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I put down after the Lakers loss in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, which is more or less the same trade cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>right like that that off season into the next deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>because like during the title year, I was advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>it at the time. At the time, I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is a way you can push your

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<v Speaker 1>chips in you're effectively not using these guys, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>in your playoff rotation. Why not make some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>move with Kaminga and Wiseman at the time to try

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially maximize your title lots. Now, to Lakeup's credit,

0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.000
<v Speaker 1>he held off and you guys got the job done.

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<v Speaker 1>And so at the time he looked like a genius

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<v Speaker 1>because he's like, now, it's the two timelines thing. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a championship team and we have these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially develop into the next era. What he missed

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<v Speaker 1>there was just the lightning in a bottle you guys

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<v Speaker 1>caught with Jordan and with Andrew in that particular season

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<v Speaker 1>where both guys went down a level the following season

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden it looked like you needed

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<v Speaker 1>more firepower. And that was when the move should have

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<v Speaker 1>been made. To your point, was at that point in

0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.040
<v Speaker 1>time when it was clear going into that spring of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, they clearly don't have the same level

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<v Speaker 1>of juice that they had the previous season. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was when Andrew was dealing with all of his

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<v Speaker 1>drama too, if I'm not mistaken, So like it was

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<v Speaker 1>right in that window in time where there was a

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<v Speaker 1>long enough window of time after the trade for a

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<v Speaker 1>team to evaluate Kamingo without having to pay him, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>now it's a complete the different equation when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about bringing him in with all that money, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like and it's not even like a hindsight thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember most of you. There is a segment of Warriors

0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.960
<v Speaker 1>fans that is extremely high on Kuminga. But most of

0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the smart Warriors fans that I talk to and the

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<v Speaker 1>people who cover the team are in your camp, which

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<v Speaker 1>is talented young player. There's no reason at all why

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<v Speaker 1>he shouldn't be able to go somewhere and make good

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<v Speaker 1>money and make mistakes. But it's just not the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the situation that they're in. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a certain amount of arrogance organizationally that they

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<v Speaker 1>thought they could fix John and I think that's where

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<v Speaker 1>most of it went south, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like do what's never been able to be done,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which is the fusing of like two timelines

0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>where players are vastly different stages of their career is

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<v Speaker 2>the issue. It's not inserting young players into a team.

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<v Speaker 2>All good teams have to find a way to get

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<v Speaker 2>production out of younger legs. Pretty Much every time team

0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.040
<v Speaker 2>you could find has some young player who plays some

0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.520
<v Speaker 2>form of a role, and even if it's just an

0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.480
<v Speaker 2>energy role, even if it's like what like Christian Brown

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<v Speaker 2>was for Denver, where you know it's necessary. Sometimes you

0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>just need a guy who's got more energy and can

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<v Speaker 2>do things like that. They were dealing with players who

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<v Speaker 2>just radically looked at the game differently, so the fit

0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.720
<v Speaker 2>was just never there. And you're right, arrogance. Arrogance was

0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.879
<v Speaker 2>the single driving force behind it. It's flying too close

0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.720
<v Speaker 2>to the sun thinking you can do it all, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's just reality has a way of humbling everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, So if you had to choose between retaining

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<v Speaker 1>coming on a team friendly number, let's call it a

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<v Speaker 1>one year. You mentioned this before we went on the air, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what if he signs like a one year, twenty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar deal to re enter free agency? Would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>have something like that or one of these sign and

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<v Speaker 1>trade packages from a Phoenix or a Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on the quoted sign in trade packages, those are

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to swallow, although I do I am increasingly

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 2>becoming a Devin Carter fan. I will i will say

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.000
<v Speaker 2>he does check boxes of the type of player that

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<v Speaker 2>keep trying to trade for, but he's also young, so

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<v Speaker 2>who knows he'll be able to do it. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm still gonna lean on the sign in trade

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and just put faith in the fact that they can

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<v Speaker 2>get a little more than what we've heard quoted. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think this is too far gone. I think him

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<v Speaker 2>coming back on a short term deal and let's assume

0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.479
<v Speaker 2>it's two years, his incentives are gonna be about playing

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<v Speaker 2>for himself as opposed to what the team needs. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see how it gets better. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you throw into it like he's human. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way he feels good about this. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say all the right things, but there's no way he's

0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.080
<v Speaker 2>feeling good about this. To me, it's like you you

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of have to just cut bait and hope that

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<v Speaker 2>what she gets the best he can get, and like,

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.439
<v Speaker 2>hopefully you can get a first round pick out of someone.

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if that's possible, but if you could,

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<v Speaker 2>then at least you have that to play with in

0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 2>an ancillary move, and maybe the player you end up

0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 2>getting for Kuminga is not the direct one for one,

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 2>but it's like you get something from someone, you combined

0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.600
<v Speaker 2>it with something you have, you move it in another direction,

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and you bring a player who fits what you want

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.159
<v Speaker 2>to do. More So, I just I think it's too

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:27.680
<v Speaker 2>far gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, if they brought him back, it's in

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the same sort of situation where you go into this

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.399
<v Speaker 1>last season where Kamingo was basically a matchup specific rotation piece,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he was essentially out of your rotation for major

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.119
<v Speaker 1>games in major situations last year. And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it from Jonathan's perspective, even signing like a

0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>one year deal at twenty million, let's just call it

0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that he's sitting there thinking the reason why I'm in

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.600
<v Speaker 1>this predicament is I effectively have not shown enough to

0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the league to dictate that I'm worth what I'm asking for.

0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 1>So therefore, in this upcoming season, I need to show more.

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And what would he have seen in this situation to

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.199
<v Speaker 1>believe that coming back would give him the runway? He

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.560
<v Speaker 1>would need to show that. And so I agree with you.

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I think I think we've been since, for lack of

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a better way of putting it, since that January twenty

0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty four kind of inflection point. This has been destined

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>for this sort of separation and it just hasn't happened yet. So, uh,

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned Devin Carter? Is there do you think there's

0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.639
<v Speaker 1>is there like a dream player that you wish you

0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.960
<v Speaker 1>could squeeze out of one of those two teams in

0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>assign and trade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my dreams keep getting smaller the longer this

0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 2>goes on. You asked me about the Kings two months ago,

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ooh, Keegan Murray, that'd be nice. Now it's

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.959
<v Speaker 2>now it's a much smaller ask. I mean, Kean Ellis

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.879
<v Speaker 2>would be nice, like the Warriors. Okay, so if we

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 2>take a step backwards, Steph, Jimmy and Draymond. They're closing

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 2>in every game, right, that's your or like when the

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 2>chips are on the table and you're in the playoffs,

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 2>you're planning on those three players being the best they

0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:07.920
<v Speaker 2>can be in those moments. So what do you want

0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>around them? You want defensive versatility with as much shooting

0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 2>as you can get. Right, So, I know this has

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>been kind of a trendy thing, but like the thunder

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.159
<v Speaker 2>or a great example of this, and the Warriors have

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 2>tried to trade for these type of players like Derek

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 2>White probably being the best in the league. Kind of

0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 2>a point of attack defensive guard, but they also have

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the ability to hit an open shot, make extra pass.

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Basically just a guard who could defend, who's got length,

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the kind of the Drew Holiday archetype. Kean Ellison Sacramento

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 2>is one of the better ones that most people don't

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.720
<v Speaker 2>know about because he's on a team. Like he's the

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 2>type of guy who you put him on a good

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 2>team and everyone's talking about him the way they talk

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 2>about Caruso. He's not as good, But the same time,

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like, wow, that guy makes so many winning plays.

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow he took he really took Shae you know, out

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>of his offense and made everything uncomfortable for him. Oh

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>he's stuck three open threes like that sort of thing. Right, Like,

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I think guys like that are harder to find. Uh,

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>then we give it credit for because people always like, well,

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you could just find a role player anyway, Well, clearly

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.479
<v Speaker 2>you can't, because there are all these teams who have

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 2>like championship foundation players and they can never seem to

0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 2>find the right role players to go around them. Right,

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>So so that's that's one I'd be interested in on Phoenix.

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, there'sn't really anything because it's like

0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, I want Devine, I want to take

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:46.959
<v Speaker 2>uh you know. I he is objectively a winning player

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>who will help teams, and I think Houston's going to

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>miss him more than they realize. I agree. But it's like,

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 2>if there's one thing a team that Draymond and Jimmy

0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 2>does not need, it's another guy who's doing like the

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 2>same things they do, you know.

0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 1>So that's a good point.

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.439
<v Speaker 2>I guess. I guess I would in terms of the asset,

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.120
<v Speaker 2>but it's like, yeah, no, they need, they need, they

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>need a different type player. So yeah, I think to

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 2>anyone who I can, I can confidently say, oh, this

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.440
<v Speaker 2>guy's getting twenty five minutes every night I consider to win,

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and ideally I'd like them to be under twenty seven

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>because this team needs. This team needs guys with young legs.

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>There's need guys who are gonna bring the energy to

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 2>those January games where Steph kind of wants to hang

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>out off ball for seventy percent of the game because

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna have to do a lot of work later

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>in the season. And Jimmy just kind of wants to

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.199
<v Speaker 2>play a facilitator mode because of the same thing. So

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the more young legs that fit what they want to do,

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny. Same thing. In the mailback question this morning,

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I had a question that was like, do you think

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>teams are markedly changing the way that they're going about

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>their business this offseason because of the success of Oklahoma

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and Indiana? And it doesn't actually feel like there have

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>been that many, you know, versatile perimeter athletes that have

0:23:58.680 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>been moving around. And one of the things I talk

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.120
<v Speaker 1>about was like, there's just not that many of them,

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Like we everyone wants the guy that can dribble, shoot, pass,

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and defend and do it like with some size, and

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just extremely difficult to find to find in the

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>modern NBA. And that's why if you could get a

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>guy like Keon, he's just the way you were talking

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>about with the winning plays. I feel like those kinds

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>of guys are always amplified alongside superstars, superstars that actually

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 1>set teams up with advantages and things along those lines.

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that, uh, I think that in general that

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>that shooting piece is a big one. I look at

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Moses Moody. Essentially Moses was bigger than Keon, but having

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a player that could basically do what Moses Moody did,

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>but not go through the extended shooting roles that Moses

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>dealt with last year. Like the way his shot just

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>completely fell apart in the postseason was a big, a big,

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you know shot at this particular Warriors team. I would argue,

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and this is the next thing I want to kind

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 1>of get into, because I do want to talk a

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 1>little bit about Horford too, because I'm like really excited

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>about him. For you guys, I want to get into

0:24:58.440 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that in a minute.

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>He was to play for Steve Kerr. He's like, my god,

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>he's like one of five players in the NBA who's

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 2>never been on the Warriors, who if I just look

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 2>at them once, I'm like, oh, that's the worst player.

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's just do this real quick. Actually, because like

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I am, I think Al Horford is good. Like like again,

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>it's rumored that the deal is done. We'll see if

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it ends up happening. Obviously, he's old. Obviously there's gonna

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>be you know, thirty games or so this season where

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>he's out of the lineup, and I think you guys

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 1>would be smart to kind of hold him in reserve

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>like that, But I cannot imagine a more natural fit

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>as if big Look for you guys in Al Horford,

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>are you as stoked asign it?

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It's like, Oh, you're gonna run a bunch of

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 2>dho's with Steph Curry and you're gonna have to make

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>decisions based off of the way players are. The defense

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 2>reacts off him like he's tailor made for that. He's

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 2>he's couldn't to your point, could not be a more

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>natural fit. The thing I like about him also is

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.199
<v Speaker 2>they miss that whenever Draymond's off the floor, you know,

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Quentin post underrated skill as a passers, a rookie, you know,

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 2>like that sort of thing, right, and they've gone through

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>they've had issues finding guys who can do it. I

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>think one of the biggest things Al would bring to

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.959
<v Speaker 2>the Warriors is it's not playing Draymond and Horford together.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 2>It's having forty eight minutes of one of them on

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the floor at all times dictating things, and it's actually

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>a way to keep them both fresher. What if they're

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 2>both playing twenty four minutes a game. We know Draymond

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 2>can still play at a high level. We saw in

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the Minnesota series he got worn down. Why do you

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>get worn down? He has to play five the whole

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>time with an undermanned team. Like he's one of the

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 2>most energetic players I've ever seen. He is still human,

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like, so even there are there are you know,

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>limits to how much he can expend physically. And it

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>goes to my overarching point, which is they don't just

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>need to get younger, they just need to get deer.

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Like one of the best ways to keep the old

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 2>core healthy is have a ten man rotation. Make it

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>so that like I said, Draymond's playing twenty four minutes

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 2>a game, Horford's playing twenty four minutes a game. STEP's

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>playing thirty not thirty six minutes. You know, you're gonna

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 2>have games you chase. You can't be you can't be

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in a situation where you have to chase the final

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>thirty five games of the year because you had no

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>depth in your twenty five and twenty five, you know,

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>fifty games in the season, which was the case with

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the Warriors this year when they got Jimmy Butler. They're

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.120
<v Speaker 2>actually one game below five hundred. They were twenty five

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and twenty six, they had to go balls to the

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>wall just to qualify for the playoffs, and it's it

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>should be no surprise that Draymond looked dead at the end.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Steph pulled a hammy, which was an exhaustion injury from

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>what he had to do, and you know, Jimmy's was

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 2>just an unlucky contact thing. But like all of that's

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a subject. All that's a factor of them playing what

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>was essentially a seven or eight man rotation for the

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 2>final two months.

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think Horford is everything you guys have been

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>looking for over the last several seasons as a big,

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned, like a big that you can continue

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>to run essentially the same style of read and react

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.479
<v Speaker 1>offense that you run when Draymond's on the floor, but

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>that also gives you a bigger look when you want to.

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited specifically about like some matchup specific situations where Horford, Draymond,

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and Jimmy are all on the floor together to close

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 1>games just because of their collective defensive IQ. There's a

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of switchability there al. Horford still even as an

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>old guy, is one of the better switching bigs that

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>you'll have in the league, just because he's so good

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>at anticipating and taking the right angle to meet guys

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>at spots, and so there's a lot of like it's

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like the upside that you had with

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Quinton Post, but without some of the defensive limitations that

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>came from him. Just in terms of like Quinton was

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like a straight up old fashioned drop big and he

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>just didn't have much in the way of athleticism around

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the rim. Al doesn't bring the athleticism, but he brings

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the IQ and the switch ability, which gives you some

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>viability there. You mentioned the depth. This is the key thing.

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.959
<v Speaker 1>Because I was talking about this with the Clippers. Everyone's like, Oh,

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the Clippers are so old. It doesn't matter when you

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>have that many guys. Like, when you have that many

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>dudes who can play, you can keep everybody's minutes at

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a point where it's manageable. And that's like I would

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>argue that it's it actually has more to do with

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the amount of wear and tear you're putting on your

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>players each game than the number of games they play,

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>or even sometimes the schedule, like a back to back

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>is nothing. If they're playing twenty minutes each night, and

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not you know, if you could, if you could

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>play al twenty four minutes in one of the games

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and eighteen in another, it's not a rough back to back.

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>It's a rough back to back when you're in the

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>tail end of the season and you got to push

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody thirty six thirty seven minutes because you're desperate for

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a gamer here or there in the standings and in general.

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>This is kind of how I feel about spending assets

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>to try to improve this team. In the Western Conference,

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>three or four wins could be the difference between the

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>four we're seed in a play in birth. A specific

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>player could be the difference between you losing to Denver

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and you beating Denver. I mean, Cam Johnson for Denver

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>could be the difference between them losing to Oklahoma City

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and beating Oklahoma City. These are pretty tight margins between

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>these teams, and that's why I've been kind of like

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>geared up on some sort of upgrade here. So I'm

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>astoked about Horford as you are. We don't need to

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about Melton too much because I think we saw

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>him last year's natural fit. It's just a question of

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>whether or not his knee can hold up. But what

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>archetype of player if you like. Obviously we talked about

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>keyon Ellis, he's a three and D guy. I think

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>every team could benefit from one of those. But if

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>there was a higher level player that you could target

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>at some point this season, what do you view as

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the specific need, the specific archetype of player that the

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Warriors need to go into that top tier of contenders

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>with the teams at the top of the West.

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it's ke else no, But beyond him, uh No,

0:30:56.600 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's they need so Melton is another player

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.959
<v Speaker 2>who is a great point of attack defender, can hit shots,

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>can handle create a little bit. I still think they

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>need one more of those. And then I actually really

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>love a guard rotation of Steph Pajemski with less responsibility

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>in that in that potential role, because now you've added

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Melton who will likely play less minutes off of a

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>knee injury, and another guy in that rotation spot there.

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>The other one is the obvious one, which is a

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>front court player, and they don't need to be a center.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>But I'm looking at someone six eight to six' ten

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>who can hit some open. Shots the Way i'm looking

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 2>at it is if you Get, horford you Have Draymon

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>horford And Quinton post And Trey Jackson. Davis, Now Quinton

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>post And Trey Jackson davis are fine for backups in

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the regular. Season What i'd really like is one more

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>GUY i can put next To horford and Bring draymond

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>off the bench, potentially or SOMEONE i could play next

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>To draymond if they want to go a little more

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>small and. Switchy, honestly it's what they were Hoping kuminga could,

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>be but it just hasn't happened for whatever. Reason there's

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>blame to go around for all parties, There so that

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 2>would be the Type i'd be looking, at and the

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>PLAYER i would be looking at to help get. It

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>there Is Moses moody and whatever they get in return For,

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>kuminga which is why SNEAKILY i could see the team

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.719
<v Speaker 2>bringing him back just so that they could trade him

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>In january for salary, purposes no matter how awkward the

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 2>whole thing would, be no matter how much lying we're

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>going to hear during training camp about how happy they

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>are with each.

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Other in, theory he could potentially have more options to

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>choose from in terms of versions at that, point just

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>because the landscape of the league ships and you had

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a team a different match a different type of salary

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>matching type of.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Situation it's been like reported multiple times that the you,

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>know three, years maybe a player opt out after the second,

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>year so it's a short term, deal but it's you,

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 2>know it's not a one year, deal right in the

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty to twenty five. RANGE i can actually see that

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>being a very attractive trade chip at the deadline because

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you'd be acquiring a twenty two year old who's on

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 2>a very reasonable, number who you control for a couple

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 2>of years where you can really figure, out is this

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>one of my like core three pieces going? Forward you,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>know because he is so young he is he is

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 2>still just twenty two this. Year he's gonna be twenty

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>three this this help coming. Season, SORRY i could see

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>something like that. HAPPENING i JUST i don't want to

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 2>go down that path because it just it feels like

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where there's a lot of risk

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>of it blowing up and being an even bigger hindrance

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the other. Way by the, way with that, said, yeah

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>like the obvious one is get me an athletic wing

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>who can play next To draymond Or horford in the four,

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>spot who can hit, shots who can. Defend that would

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>be the type of PLAYER i would be most interested.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>In, yeah you, KNOW i was talking about this with

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the id A suns fan straight up asking mail by

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>question like should we Get? Kaminga and like WHAT i

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>said was like if you can get him at twenty

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>to twenty five a, Year hell, Yeah LIKE i do

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:13.359
<v Speaker 1>think That kaminga has value at a number that is

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.720
<v Speaker 1>below thirty and where he has a. Runway it's specifically

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the combination of what he's asking for and what The

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>warriors need from him that makes that situation. Untenable if

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you could be flexible in that, regard it makes some.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Sense and similarly to The, Warriors like to your, point

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>if he's on let's say he's at two years fifty,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>million he's still a tradable asset at that. Point if

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 1>he's at two years sixty five, million that's where it's

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like or a longer term, deal it's.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Like something like. That then you're attaching a pick to

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>get off of. Him, yeah, exactly, yeah.

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly do you think The warriors have enough? Offense this

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>has been something That i've been keyed in on for

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a little. While, uh even after The jimmy. Trade just

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>like there's this pretty clear life to where like where

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>When Brandon pajemski shoots the ball really, well When Buddy

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>heel plays super, well you guys are borderline. Unbeatable do

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>you have any do you have a desire to upgrade

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>in terms of offensive talent just a realistic approach to what's,

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>available or do you actually think The warriors don't need.

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>That they need more athleticism and versatility and role players.

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, being as they only have nine players under, roster

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>they need. Everything BUT i guess because we've debated this

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>heavily on our, show and there's been a strong push

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>to just add eighty two game. Players you, know a bucket,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 2>getter who's going to just lighten the load On Steph

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 2>curry in the regular, season and how much it can

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>help this team just have a little more offensive, firepower

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>even if it's flawed offensive, firepower, RIGHT i, agree that

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 2>would be, Useful but if it's one or the, Other

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>i'm still going to lean into trying to get those

0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 2>defensive first closing playoff players because the WAY i look

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>at it, is end of the, day if this team

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 2>makes the, playoffs it's gonna be Basically steph carry us

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>on offense and we're gonna. Defend AND i just don't

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>see a world in which them adding an offensive player

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>who's a bad defender actually makes them a better playoff.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>TEAM i think it leads them to being more in

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 2>the middle than. Anything SO i know that's kind of

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 2>a cop out, answer but it's kind of like what

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>you saw with The. Thunder as far As i'm concerned

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>The thunder's offense at, TIME i was, like, man they

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>got nothing other Than, shay you, know that sort of.

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.879
<v Speaker 2>Thing But i'd rather put a team of guys who

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>can grind and will defend to like they just they're

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>hard to score, on and you Trust steph And jimmy

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>will eventually figure it out on. Offense then try to

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>go the other way and add A Malik monk type, where,

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>man you, know you know what it's like watching a

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>team In january when those guys are, Exhausting, like, man

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>it'd be really nice to have some Like Malik monk

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 2>coming off the bench with a little juice just to

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>provide a little. Punch but if it comes at the

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 2>expense of like that, point of attack defender or that versatile.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 2>WING i don't think it's worth. It so that's kind

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of Where i'm at with. It would it's a nice to.

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>HAVE i view it still as a number two priority

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 2>in terms of need to.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Have, YEAH i LEAN i lean slightly more towards it

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>being something that they need in order to get into

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>that next. TIER i think part of it is my

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 1>overarching basketball, Philosophy like even With buddy Heel LIKE i

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Thought Buddy hehil played the best defense of his career last,

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:38.959
<v Speaker 1>season even though it was, flawed even though it wasn't,

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>perfect there were moments Where buddy was really competing and

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>doing some good work on that end of the. FLOOR

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>i like to. SAY i also just have generally looked

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>at The warriors offense as kind of a counterbalancing effect

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>where The steph And clay did this for years to

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>teams where it was it was the mutual impact of

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>both of them and what they brought on opposite ends

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of the floor running in and out of action that

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>made them so difficult to. Guard AND i look at

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 1>teams Like denver who scaled up on, defense using intelligence

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 1>and switching up coverages and having just kind of HIGH iq,

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.720
<v Speaker 1>defenders not necessarily the most athletic, defenders and them doing

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 1>as good a job Against Oklahoma city as anybody else

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>did in last year's playoff run despite being one of

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the worst defenses in the league down the stretch of the.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Season i'm indexing slowly each progressive season more towards, offense

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 1>And i'm, Wondering i'm wondering how much of that will

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>stick for me in the coming, Years but, YEAH i.

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>DO i would love to see a guy next To

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>steph who could reliably get to twenty points on any given. Night,

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 1>now Maybe Jimmy in, theory it's and that's the thing,

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>is Like i'm hoping to get just a little bit

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>more offensive juice out Of jimmy this year. TOO i

0:38:58.320 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>think that could go a long way as.

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Well so that's kind of Why i'm, like adding those

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>two players who can, shoot like you, know the pie

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 2>in the sky would be like a you, Know Derek

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 2>white the shooting guard spot and Like Cam johnson at

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the power forward. Spot like obviously neither of those are

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna Happen camp specifically because he just went To, denver but,

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>like you, know adding those those players who can shoot the.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 2>BALL i think will also Juice jimmy's offense a little.

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Bit he scored the ball incredibly well up until he

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 2>had the glute injury that happened Against. HOUSTON i mean

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 2>he put what thirty seven in the playing game had

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 2>something like HE i think he. WORKS i think him

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 2>And steph. WORK i think they honestly need more shooting

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and defensive versatility than necessarily shot.

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>CREATION i think the shooting is the obvious, one regardless

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of whether or not it comes in the form of

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 1>a high level offensive player or a three AND d.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Player they've got to have reliable shootings surround those. GUYS

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 1>i think that goes without saying, that for the, record

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>is Why i'm excited About. Horford, like if you imagine

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>a scenario where let's say you get a key On

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>ellis and you get An Al, horford that would be

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>such an interesting look to have that type of group

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>out on the floor where legitimately the guys who are

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna be flowing in and out of action and popping

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 1>are gonna be guys who are gonna be knocking down.

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Shots which is that like key? Difference All, Right i'm

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna put you on the spot before we get out of,

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>here let's say The, Warriors let's just say they Retain

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>kaminga on a one, year twenty million dollars, deal or

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they sign and trade him for just, filler Not Keon,

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>ellis but just, filler and they Sign horford and they

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>signed The Anthony, melton handful of other veteran minimum, contracts

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>but nothing like super needle. Moving let's say they bring

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Back Gary payton something something along those. Lines where would

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you rank them in The west without any additional moves

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>over the top of that.

0:40:54.840 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Six mostly because in your car, CONSTRUCTED i think they're

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna put too much On steph And jimmy's shoulders and

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>there's just gonna be like they're gonna be better than

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the sixth. SEED i think that's just where they're gonna,

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.280
<v Speaker 2>end Because jimmy will miss twenty, Games steph will miss twenty,

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.919
<v Speaker 2>games and there'll be one of those teams, where oh

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>they're you, know if you look at, this they're actually

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty and five over the last twenty, five but

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the overall record is forty seven. Wins that type of,

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Thing and to your, POINT i honestly think it's one

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>of those things where if they Turn kuminga into the

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>right type of energy piece and make maybe get a

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 2>little internal, improvement plus A melton and A, horford they

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>might win fifty three games and be the second or third.

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Seed you, Know LIKE i actually really think the margins

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 2>on that basis really do matter that much in determining

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>where they end up. Finishing and as you as you

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 2>said earlier and as we've, seen like The west has

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 2>been so tight the last five, years it's, like literally

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 2>but the dinner between forty five and fifty wins is

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>an ears between like the eight and the three seed

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:04.359
<v Speaker 2>most of these.

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Years, Playing, yeah.

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Exactly a lot of it's down a lot of it's

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>down to health and your ability to to just have

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 2>a deep roster all.

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Year, YEAH i look at that, tier and you can

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>make cases for and against all of. Them LIKE i,

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>mean you could Say minnesota lost and Kill Alexander walker

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're a little bit older in their front, court

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>And conley's, older and Go bear's, older and you know

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>they're just not going to be as. Good but then

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you could also look at me and go, like, yeah

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>but what If Anthony edwards like watched Shake yell Just

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 1>alexander kick his ass and spends all summer working on

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's short to short to mid range scoring and

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>becomes a dramatically better player and The wolves are, Better Right,

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Lakers what happens with so many different guys they have

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that are older Age? Clippers what happens with so many

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>guys that are older age The? Warriors do they successfully

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Turn kaminga and a couple of their other assets into more?

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Firepower there's all of this, different you, know up and

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 1>down potential for every single one of these. Teams that's

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>why it's tough to put them in a, list and

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 1>it's easier just to put them in. Tears But, sam

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>this has been. AMAZING i sincerely appreciate you taking time

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 1>out of your busy day to come hang out with

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 1>us and talk Some. Warriors why don't you tell everybody

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>where they can find your?

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, yeah pretty. Simple just check out the Light years

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.959
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0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:17.160
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0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.920
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0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.760
<v Speaker 2>three times a, week and whenever the kuminga thing, HAPPENS

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:23.640
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