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Speaker 1: at the volume heavy Wednesday. Everybody, Oh Paul, you guys

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Speaker 1: are having a great week. We are so happy to

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Speaker 1: have Sam's fondi Ari from the Warriors, who covers the

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Speaker 1: Warriors with the light Years podcast on the show today.

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Speaker 1: I was doing a mail bag earlier this morning and

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Speaker 1: we had a question that was asking about my favorite

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Speaker 1: And I was going back through and there's one team,

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Speaker 1: conspicuously who's done a whole lot of nothing. And Sam,

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Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot of chairs on my social

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Speaker 1: media feed all of a sudden, I was hoping you

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Speaker 1: could kind of get me up to speed with how

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Speaker 1: with this offseason so far.

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Speaker 2: We are in the chair right now. That is what's

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Speaker 2: going on in Warriors Land. I mean, on the plus side,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to get nominated for worst move of

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Speaker 2: haven't done anything yet. Uh No, it's been weird, and

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Speaker 2: like I've been kind of oscillating between frustration over like

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Speaker 2: where it's like new CBA seems like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of new behaviors that we didn't see in previous years,

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Speaker 2: and trying to rationalize it, like maybe this is the

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Speaker 2: new reality of how this stuff goes. Maybe it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a little more like baseball, which no one should

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Speaker 2: really want to be, like where the free agency period

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Speaker 2: players report for spring training or in the NBA's case,

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the paradigm shift we're moving towards. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know, If nothing else, it's not what I expected.

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Speaker 1: Well, they finally make the big move, right the go

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Speaker 1: get Jimmy and I remember you and I. You and

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Speaker 1: I discussed a throughout the last season, like which kind

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Speaker 1: remember you and I even getting into a discussion over

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Speaker 1: Jimmy fit has been a resounding success. It is unlocked

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Speaker 1: a higher level of belief and motivation from Stephen Draymond

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Speaker 1: and tied so many loose ends together. But if you

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Speaker 1: look around the league, they still look before we go

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Speaker 1: any further, they still feel to me like a second

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Speaker 2: You agree with that, well, yeah, they only have nine

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Speaker 2: make it to the playoffs. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: they might just not be healthy. But yeah, i'd agree

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Speaker 2: with you, Like a lot of it depends on how

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Speaker 2: they round out this roster. I think you can make

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Speaker 2: a case that they have a championship level core, but

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Speaker 2: because it's older, they don't just need two additional players.

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Speaker 2: They need like five or six rotation players that they trust,

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Speaker 2: wasn't the case last year of Minnesota. Then and then

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. But yeah, to your point, like

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Speaker 2: second tier at best right now, given that theyly have

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Speaker 1: Last year, and there is that strong foundation, like I

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Speaker 1: do believe in Jimmy, Steph and Draymond as a core.

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Speaker 1: You're right, they're older, which means they need more support,

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Speaker 1: especially in the regular season with holding up for eighty

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Speaker 1: way of putting it, just everyone else is making additions. Right,

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Speaker 1: every like Denver, you could argue is better. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: City obviously is standing. Papa Houston got better. Everyone's getting better,

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Speaker 1: and so it seems like it's more the inactivity juxtaposed

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Speaker 2: like why haven't they just signed already? Right until they

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Speaker 2: So they might have handshake agreements, but if they sign

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Speaker 2: he sees himself as a player could be an all

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Speaker 2: of as Jalen Green. They were teammates on that G

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Speaker 2: saw Jalen Green go to Houston and get three years

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Speaker 2: of you know, thirty five minutes a game, figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's the player he's benchmarking himself too, and

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Speaker 2: kind of where we're sitting here, and I don't really

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to force something, because it

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like there's gonna be this secret team that

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Speaker 2: because the Warriors want to get back a player who

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Speaker 2: but like all those variables are leading to what, honestly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to dig into this for a little

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Speaker 1: like in terms of retaining him or as sign in

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Speaker 1: What happened Jonathan Minga is super unfortunate and it's unfortunate

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Speaker 1: in the sense that you're right, Like if you're looking

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Speaker 1: even though they're both in a similar tier. I think

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Speaker 1: Jalen's shown just a little bit more of an explosive

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Speaker 2: Just like do what's never been able to be done,

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Speaker 1: coming on a team friendly number, let's call it a

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Speaker 2: There's no way he feels good about this. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: getting for Kuminga is not the direct one for one,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if they brought him back, it's in

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Speaker 1: I think I think we've been since, for lack of

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Speaker 2: I mean, my dreams keep getting smaller the longer this

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Speaker 2: now it's a much smaller ask. I mean, Kean Ellis

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Speaker 2: as you can get. Right, So, I know this has

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Speaker 2: it's like, wow, that guy makes so many winning plays.

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Speaker 2: he's stuck three open threes like that sort of thing. Right, Like,

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00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: I think guys like that are harder to find. Uh,

432
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: then we give it credit for because people always like, well,

433
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: you could just find a role player anyway, Well, clearly

434
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 2: you can't, because there are all these teams who have

435
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: like championship foundation players and they can never seem to

436
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: find the right role players to go around them. Right,

437
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: So so that's that's one I'd be interested in on Phoenix.

438
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, there'sn't really anything because it's like

439
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I want Devine, I want to take

440
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 2: uh you know. I he is objectively a winning player

441
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: who will help teams, and I think Houston's going to

442
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: miss him more than they realize. I agree. But it's like,

443
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 2: if there's one thing a team that Draymond and Jimmy

444
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: does not need, it's another guy who's doing like the

445
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: same things they do, you know.

446
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: So that's a good point.

447
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess I would in terms of the asset,

448
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, no, they need, they need, they

449
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: need a different type player. So yeah, I think to

450
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: anyone who I can, I can confidently say, oh, this

451
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: guy's getting twenty five minutes every night I consider to win,

452
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: and ideally I'd like them to be under twenty seven

453
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: because this team needs. This team needs guys with young legs.

454
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: There's need guys who are gonna bring the energy to

455
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: those January games where Steph kind of wants to hang

456
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: out off ball for seventy percent of the game because

457
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to do a lot of work later

458
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: in the season. And Jimmy just kind of wants to

459
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: play a facilitator mode because of the same thing. So

460
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: the more young legs that fit what they want to do,

461
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: the better.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Same thing. In the mailback question this morning,

463
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: I had a question that was like, do you think

464
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: teams are markedly changing the way that they're going about

465
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: their business this offseason because of the success of Oklahoma

466
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: and Indiana? And it doesn't actually feel like there have

467
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: been that many, you know, versatile perimeter athletes that have

468
00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: been moving around. And one of the things I talk

469
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: about was like, there's just not that many of them,

470
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: Like we everyone wants the guy that can dribble, shoot, pass,

471
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: and defend and do it like with some size, and

472
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: it's just extremely difficult to find to find in the

473
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Speaker 1: modern NBA. And that's why if you could get a

474
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: guy like Keon, he's just the way you were talking

475
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: about with the winning plays. I feel like those kinds

476
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: of guys are always amplified alongside superstars, superstars that actually

477
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: set teams up with advantages and things along those lines.

478
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, I think that in general that

479
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: that shooting piece is a big one. I look at

480
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: Moses Moody. Essentially Moses was bigger than Keon, but having

481
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Speaker 1: a player that could basically do what Moses Moody did,

482
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Speaker 1: but not go through the extended shooting roles that Moses

483
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: dealt with last year. Like the way his shot just

484
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: completely fell apart in the postseason was a big, a big,

485
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: you know shot at this particular Warriors team. I would argue,

486
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: and this is the next thing I want to kind

487
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: of get into, because I do want to talk a

488
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: little bit about Horford too, because I'm like really excited

489
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: about him. For you guys, I want to get into

490
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: that in a minute.

491
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Speaker 2: He was to play for Steve Kerr. He's like, my god,

492
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: he's like one of five players in the NBA who's

493
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: never been on the Warriors, who if I just look

494
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: at them once, I'm like, oh, that's the worst player.

495
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just do this real quick. Actually, because like

496
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: I am, I think Al Horford is good. Like like again,

497
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: it's rumored that the deal is done. We'll see if

498
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: it ends up happening. Obviously, he's old. Obviously there's gonna

499
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: be you know, thirty games or so this season where

500
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Speaker 1: he's out of the lineup, and I think you guys

501
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: would be smart to kind of hold him in reserve

502
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: like that, But I cannot imagine a more natural fit

503
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: as if big Look for you guys in Al Horford,

504
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: are you as stoked asign it?

505
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's like, Oh, you're gonna run a bunch of

506
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: dho's with Steph Curry and you're gonna have to make

507
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: decisions based off of the way players are. The defense

508
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: reacts off him like he's tailor made for that. He's

509
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: he's couldn't to your point, could not be a more

510
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: natural fit. The thing I like about him also is

511
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: they miss that whenever Draymond's off the floor, you know,

512
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: Quentin post underrated skill as a passers, a rookie, you know,

513
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: like that sort of thing, right, and they've gone through

514
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: they've had issues finding guys who can do it. I

515
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: think one of the biggest things Al would bring to

516
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: the Warriors is it's not playing Draymond and Horford together.

517
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: It's having forty eight minutes of one of them on

518
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: the floor at all times dictating things, and it's actually

519
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: a way to keep them both fresher. What if they're

520
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: both playing twenty four minutes a game. We know Draymond

521
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: can still play at a high level. We saw in

522
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: the Minnesota series he got worn down. Why do you

523
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: get worn down? He has to play five the whole

524
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: time with an undermanned team. Like he's one of the

525
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: most energetic players I've ever seen. He is still human,

526
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: you know, Like, so even there are there are you know,

527
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: limits to how much he can expend physically. And it

528
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: goes to my overarching point, which is they don't just

529
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: need to get younger, they just need to get deer.

530
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: Like one of the best ways to keep the old

531
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: core healthy is have a ten man rotation. Make it

532
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: so that like I said, Draymond's playing twenty four minutes

533
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: a game, Horford's playing twenty four minutes a game. STEP's

534
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: playing thirty not thirty six minutes. You know, you're gonna

535
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: have games you chase. You can't be you can't be

536
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: in a situation where you have to chase the final

537
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: thirty five games of the year because you had no

538
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: depth in your twenty five and twenty five, you know,

539
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: fifty games in the season, which was the case with

540
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: the Warriors this year when they got Jimmy Butler. They're

541
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: actually one game below five hundred. They were twenty five

542
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: and twenty six, they had to go balls to the

543
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: wall just to qualify for the playoffs, and it's it

544
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: should be no surprise that Draymond looked dead at the end.

545
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: Steph pulled a hammy, which was an exhaustion injury from

546
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: what he had to do, and you know, Jimmy's was

547
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: just an unlucky contact thing. But like all of that's

548
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: a subject. All that's a factor of them playing what

549
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: was essentially a seven or eight man rotation for the

550
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: final two months.

551
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Horford is everything you guys have been

552
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: looking for over the last several seasons as a big,

553
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, like a big that you can continue

554
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: to run essentially the same style of read and react

555
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: offense that you run when Draymond's on the floor, but

556
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: that also gives you a bigger look when you want to.

557
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited specifically about like some matchup specific situations where Horford, Draymond,

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: and Jimmy are all on the floor together to close

559
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: games just because of their collective defensive IQ. There's a

560
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: lot of switchability there al. Horford still even as an

561
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: old guy, is one of the better switching bigs that

562
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: you'll have in the league, just because he's so good

563
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: at anticipating and taking the right angle to meet guys

564
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: at spots, and so there's a lot of like it's

565
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of like the upside that you had with

566
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Quinton Post, but without some of the defensive limitations that

567
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: came from him. Just in terms of like Quinton was

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: like a straight up old fashioned drop big and he

569
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: just didn't have much in the way of athleticism around

570
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: the rim. Al doesn't bring the athleticism, but he brings

571
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: the IQ and the switch ability, which gives you some

572
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: viability there. You mentioned the depth. This is the key thing.

573
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: Because I was talking about this with the Clippers. Everyone's like, Oh,

574
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: the Clippers are so old. It doesn't matter when you

575
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: have that many guys. Like, when you have that many

576
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: dudes who can play, you can keep everybody's minutes at

577
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: a point where it's manageable. And that's like I would

578
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: argue that it's it actually has more to do with

579
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: the amount of wear and tear you're putting on your

580
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: players each game than the number of games they play,

581
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: or even sometimes the schedule, like a back to back

582
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: is nothing. If they're playing twenty minutes each night, and

583
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: it's not you know, if you could, if you could

584
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: play al twenty four minutes in one of the games

585
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: and eighteen in another, it's not a rough back to back.

586
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a rough back to back when you're in the

587
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: tail end of the season and you got to push

588
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: everybody thirty six thirty seven minutes because you're desperate for

589
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: a gamer here or there in the standings and in general.

590
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: This is kind of how I feel about spending assets

591
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: to try to improve this team. In the Western Conference,

592
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: three or four wins could be the difference between the

593
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: four we're seed in a play in birth. A specific

594
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: player could be the difference between you losing to Denver

595
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: and you beating Denver. I mean, Cam Johnson for Denver

596
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: could be the difference between them losing to Oklahoma City

597
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: and beating Oklahoma City. These are pretty tight margins between

598
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: these teams, and that's why I've been kind of like

599
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: geared up on some sort of upgrade here. So I'm

600
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: astoked about Horford as you are. We don't need to

601
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: talk about Melton too much because I think we saw

602
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: him last year's natural fit. It's just a question of

603
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: whether or not his knee can hold up. But what

604
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: archetype of player if you like. Obviously we talked about

605
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: keyon Ellis, he's a three and D guy. I think

606
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: every team could benefit from one of those. But if

607
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: there was a higher level player that you could target

608
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: at some point this season, what do you view as

609
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: the specific need, the specific archetype of player that the

610
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Warriors need to go into that top tier of contenders

611
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: with the teams at the top of the West.

612
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: I think it's ke else no, But beyond him, uh No,

613
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I think it's they need so Melton is another player

614
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 2: who is a great point of attack defender, can hit shots,

615
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: can handle create a little bit. I still think they

616
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: need one more of those. And then I actually really

617
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: love a guard rotation of Steph Pajemski with less responsibility

618
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: in that in that potential role, because now you've added

619
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: Melton who will likely play less minutes off of a

620
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: knee injury, and another guy in that rotation spot there.

621
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: The other one is the obvious one, which is a

622
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: front court player, and they don't need to be a center.

623
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at someone six eight to six' ten

624
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: who can hit some open. Shots the Way i'm looking

625
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: at it is if you Get, horford you Have Draymon

626
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: horford And Quinton post And Trey Jackson. Davis, Now Quinton

627
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: post And Trey Jackson davis are fine for backups in

628
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: the regular. Season What i'd really like is one more

629
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: GUY i can put next To horford and Bring draymond

630
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: off the bench, potentially or SOMEONE i could play next

631
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: To draymond if they want to go a little more

632
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: small and. Switchy, honestly it's what they were Hoping kuminga could,

633
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: be but it just hasn't happened for whatever. Reason there's

634
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: blame to go around for all parties, There so that

635
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: would be the Type i'd be looking, at and the

636
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: PLAYER i would be looking at to help get. It

637
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: there Is Moses moody and whatever they get in return For,

638
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: kuminga which is why SNEAKILY i could see the team

639
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 2: bringing him back just so that they could trade him

640
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: In january for salary, purposes no matter how awkward the

641
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: whole thing would, be no matter how much lying we're

642
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: going to hear during training camp about how happy they

643
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: are with each.

644
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Other in, theory he could potentially have more options to

645
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: choose from in terms of versions at that, point just

646
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: because the landscape of the league ships and you had

647
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: a team a different match a different type of salary

648
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: matching type of.

649
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: Situation it's been like reported multiple times that the you,

650
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: know three, years maybe a player opt out after the second,

651
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: year so it's a short term, deal but it's you,

652
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: know it's not a one year, deal right in the

653
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five. RANGE i can actually see that

654
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: being a very attractive trade chip at the deadline because

655
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: you'd be acquiring a twenty two year old who's on

656
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: a very reasonable, number who you control for a couple

657
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: of years where you can really figure, out is this

658
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: one of my like core three pieces going? Forward you,

659
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: know because he is so young he is he is

660
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: still just twenty two this. Year he's gonna be twenty

661
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: three this this help coming. Season, SORRY i could see

662
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: something like that. HAPPENING i JUST i don't want to

663
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: go down that path because it just it feels like

664
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: one of those things where there's a lot of risk

665
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: of it blowing up and being an even bigger hindrance

666
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: the other. Way by the, way with that, said, yeah

667
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: like the obvious one is get me an athletic wing

668
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: who can play next To draymond Or horford in the four,

669
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: spot who can hit, shots who can. Defend that would

670
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: be the type of PLAYER i would be most interested.

671
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: In, yeah you, KNOW i was talking about this with

672
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: the id A suns fan straight up asking mail by

673
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: question like should we Get? Kaminga and like WHAT i

674
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: said was like if you can get him at twenty

675
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: to twenty five a, Year hell, Yeah LIKE i do

676
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: think That kaminga has value at a number that is

677
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: below thirty and where he has a. Runway it's specifically

678
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: the combination of what he's asking for and what The

679
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: warriors need from him that makes that situation. Untenable if

680
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: you could be flexible in that, regard it makes some.

681
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Sense and similarly to The, Warriors like to your, point

682
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: if he's on let's say he's at two years fifty,

683
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: million he's still a tradable asset at that. Point if

684
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: he's at two years sixty five, million that's where it's

685
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: like or a longer term, deal it's.

686
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: Like something like. That then you're attaching a pick to

687
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: get off of. Him, yeah, exactly, yeah.

688
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: Exactly do you think The warriors have enough? Offense this

689
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: has been something That i've been keyed in on for

690
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: a little. While, uh even after The jimmy. Trade just

691
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: like there's this pretty clear life to where like where

692
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: When Brandon pajemski shoots the ball really, well When Buddy

693
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: heel plays super, well you guys are borderline. Unbeatable do

694
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: you have any do you have a desire to upgrade

695
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: in terms of offensive talent just a realistic approach to what's,

696
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: available or do you actually think The warriors don't need.

697
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: That they need more athleticism and versatility and role players.

698
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Well, being as they only have nine players under, roster

699
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: they need. Everything BUT i guess because we've debated this

700
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: heavily on our, show and there's been a strong push

701
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: to just add eighty two game. Players you, know a bucket,

702
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: getter who's going to just lighten the load On Steph

703
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: curry in the regular, season and how much it can

704
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: help this team just have a little more offensive, firepower

705
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: even if it's flawed offensive, firepower, RIGHT i, agree that

706
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: would be, Useful but if it's one or the, Other

707
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: i'm still going to lean into trying to get those

708
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: defensive first closing playoff players because the WAY i look

709
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: at it, is end of the, day if this team

710
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: makes the, playoffs it's gonna be Basically steph carry us

711
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: on offense and we're gonna. Defend AND i just don't

712
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: see a world in which them adding an offensive player

713
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: who's a bad defender actually makes them a better playoff.

714
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: TEAM i think it leads them to being more in

715
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: the middle than. Anything SO i know that's kind of

716
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: a cop out, answer but it's kind of like what

717
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: you saw with The. Thunder as far As i'm concerned

718
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: The thunder's offense at, TIME i was, like, man they

719
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: got nothing other Than, shay you, know that sort of.

720
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: Thing But i'd rather put a team of guys who

721
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: can grind and will defend to like they just they're

722
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: hard to score, on and you Trust steph And jimmy

723
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: will eventually figure it out on. Offense then try to

724
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: go the other way and add A Malik monk type, where,

725
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: man you, know you know what it's like watching a

726
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: team In january when those guys are, Exhausting, like, man

727
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: it'd be really nice to have some Like Malik monk

728
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: coming off the bench with a little juice just to

729
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: provide a little. Punch but if it comes at the

730
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: expense of like that, point of attack defender or that versatile.

731
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: WING i don't think it's worth. It so that's kind

732
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: of Where i'm at with. It would it's a nice to.

733
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: HAVE i view it still as a number two priority

734
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: in terms of need to.

735
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Have, YEAH i LEAN i lean slightly more towards it

736
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: being something that they need in order to get into

737
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: that next. TIER i think part of it is my

738
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: overarching basketball, Philosophy like even With buddy Heel LIKE i

739
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: Thought Buddy hehil played the best defense of his career last,

740
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: season even though it was, flawed even though it wasn't,

741
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: perfect there were moments Where buddy was really competing and

742
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: doing some good work on that end of the. FLOOR

743
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: i like to. SAY i also just have generally looked

744
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: at The warriors offense as kind of a counterbalancing effect

745
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: where The steph And clay did this for years to

746
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: teams where it was it was the mutual impact of

747
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: both of them and what they brought on opposite ends

748
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: of the floor running in and out of action that

749
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: made them so difficult to. Guard AND i look at

750
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: teams Like denver who scaled up on, defense using intelligence

751
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: and switching up coverages and having just kind of HIGH iq,

752
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: defenders not necessarily the most athletic, defenders and them doing

753
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: as good a job Against Oklahoma city as anybody else

754
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: did in last year's playoff run despite being one of

755
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: the worst defenses in the league down the stretch of the.

756
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: Season i'm indexing slowly each progressive season more towards, offense

757
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: And i'm, Wondering i'm wondering how much of that will

758
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: stick for me in the coming, Years but, YEAH i.

759
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: DO i would love to see a guy next To

760
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: steph who could reliably get to twenty points on any given. Night,

761
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: now Maybe Jimmy in, theory it's and that's the thing,

762
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: is Like i'm hoping to get just a little bit

763
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: more offensive juice out Of jimmy this year. TOO i

764
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: think that could go a long way as.

765
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 2: Well so that's kind of Why i'm, like adding those

766
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: two players who can, shoot like you, know the pie

767
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: in the sky would be like a you, Know Derek

768
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: white the shooting guard spot and Like Cam johnson at

769
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: the power forward. Spot like obviously neither of those are

770
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: gonna Happen camp specifically because he just went To, denver but,

771
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: like you, know adding those those players who can shoot the.

772
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: BALL i think will also Juice jimmy's offense a little.

773
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Bit he scored the ball incredibly well up until he

774
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: had the glute injury that happened Against. HOUSTON i mean

775
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: he put what thirty seven in the playing game had

776
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: something like HE i think he. WORKS i think him

777
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: And steph. WORK i think they honestly need more shooting

778
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: and defensive versatility than necessarily shot.

779
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: CREATION i think the shooting is the obvious, one regardless

780
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: of whether or not it comes in the form of

781
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: a high level offensive player or a three AND d.

782
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: Player they've got to have reliable shootings surround those. GUYS

783
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: i think that goes without saying, that for the, record

784
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: is Why i'm excited About. Horford, like if you imagine

785
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: a scenario where let's say you get a key On

786
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: ellis and you get An Al, horford that would be

787
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: such an interesting look to have that type of group

788
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: out on the floor where legitimately the guys who are

789
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna be flowing in and out of action and popping

790
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: are gonna be guys who are gonna be knocking down.

791
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: Shots which is that like key? Difference All, Right i'm

792
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna put you on the spot before we get out of,

793
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: here let's say The, Warriors let's just say they Retain

794
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: kaminga on a one, year twenty million dollars, deal or

795
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: they sign and trade him for just, filler Not Keon,

796
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: ellis but just, filler and they Sign horford and they

797
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: signed The Anthony, melton handful of other veteran minimum, contracts

798
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: but nothing like super needle. Moving let's say they bring

799
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Back Gary payton something something along those. Lines where would

800
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: you rank them in The west without any additional moves

801
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: over the top of that.

802
00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: Six mostly because in your car, CONSTRUCTED i think they're

803
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: gonna put too much On steph And jimmy's shoulders and

804
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be like they're gonna be better than

805
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: the sixth. SEED i think that's just where they're gonna,

806
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: end Because jimmy will miss twenty, Games steph will miss twenty,

807
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: games and there'll be one of those teams, where oh

808
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: they're you, know if you look at, this they're actually

809
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and five over the last twenty, five but

810
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: the overall record is forty seven. Wins that type of,

811
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: Thing and to your, POINT i honestly think it's one

812
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: of those things where if they Turn kuminga into the

813
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: right type of energy piece and make maybe get a

814
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: little internal, improvement plus A melton and A, horford they

815
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: might win fifty three games and be the second or third.

816
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: Seed you, Know LIKE i actually really think the margins

817
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: on that basis really do matter that much in determining

818
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: where they end up. Finishing and as you as you

819
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: said earlier and as we've, seen like The west has

820
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: been so tight the last five, years it's, like literally

821
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: but the dinner between forty five and fifty wins is

822
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: an ears between like the eight and the three seed

823
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: most of these.

824
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Years, Playing, yeah.

825
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: Exactly a lot of it's down a lot of it's

826
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: down to health and your ability to to just have

827
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: a deep roster all.

828
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Year, YEAH i look at that, tier and you can

829
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: make cases for and against all of. Them LIKE i,

830
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: mean you could Say minnesota lost and Kill Alexander walker

831
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: and they're a little bit older in their front, court

832
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: And conley's, older and Go bear's, older and you know

833
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: they're just not going to be as. Good but then

834
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: you could also look at me and go, like, yeah

835
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: but what If Anthony edwards like watched Shake yell Just

836
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: alexander kick his ass and spends all summer working on

837
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: stuff that's short to short to mid range scoring and

838
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: becomes a dramatically better player and The wolves are, Better Right,

839
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: Lakers what happens with so many different guys they have

840
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: that are older Age? Clippers what happens with so many

841
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: guys that are older age The? Warriors do they successfully

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: Turn kaminga and a couple of their other assets into more?

843
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Firepower there's all of this, different you, know up and

844
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: down potential for every single one of these. Teams that's

845
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: why it's tough to put them in a, list and

846
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: it's easier just to put them in. Tears But, sam

847
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: this has been. AMAZING i sincerely appreciate you taking time

848
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: out of your busy day to come hang out with

849
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: us and talk Some. Warriors why don't you tell everybody

850
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: where they can find your?

851
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah pretty. Simple just check out the Light years

852
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 2: pod wherever you listen to, Pods, Apple, spotify, YouTube doesn't,

853
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: matter it'll be published. There we go pretty. Regularly we

854
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: live after every game in the off, season two to

855
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: three times a, week and whenever the kuminga thing, HAPPENS

856
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: i promise a breaking.

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