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Let's get to not meet Dion Sanders, Babe, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Let's get to Deon Taylor, all with the Odd Couple, 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: founder of Hitting Empire Film Group and Hidden Empire Sports 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: with some big news. Dion, what's up man? What's povern d? 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: What's going on? Man? You're doing I'm good. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 4: Man, I look aw it. We know you're good, busy, 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 4: but we want to talk about this. We want to 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 4: talk about the breaking news that broke yesterday, Floyd Mayweather 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 4: coming out of retirement to fight Manny PACYAO in September. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: What did you have to do with that and how 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: did that come about? 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Uh? First of yeah, First of all, it's amazing. I've 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: been working with Floyd uh for the last couple of years. Man, 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: one of the most amazing people you could be around. 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: But you know, obviously as a director and a filmmaker, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: we have been producing it and working on his documentary, 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 3: his life story, which has been you know, a really 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: really amazing right over the last few years, just trying 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: to get his story right. But then around, you know, 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: six seven months ago, there was an amazing conversation that 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: he had with myself and his team that was just like, hey, man, 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: I'm really interested in untiring and stepping into this space 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: again because I see that the world of dido, you know, 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: and and online and you know the way that these 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: streamers are working. I'm I'm interested to see what I 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: would be able to do in the space. And uh, 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: I think, you know, for someone like Floyd, you know, 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: for a lot of people that know him, a lot 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: of people that don't know him, he's the ultimate athlete. 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: I mean he lives what he says. I mean, he 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: works out every day. You know, He's equivalent to a 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: gym rat for basketball, someone that you know, even if 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: he's never ever got paid to fight, he would be 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: in some ring somewhere, you know. So it was just 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: amazing when I was told that and was given a 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: task like, hey, how would you go about doing it 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: and could you do it? And obviously I'm like, man, 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: I have no idea how to do this, but I 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: am a creative and I do understand who you are 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: and what you want, so I will go out and 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: figure this out. And it was one of the most 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: insane experiences I've ever had. And it has been nuts, 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: has been NonStop. Even will tell you, you know, Rock 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: Saying will tell you it has been sleepless nights, moments 52 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: where I don't even know if I'm going to come in. 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: And we figured it out. Man. We got with an 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: amazing group of people, between Ian and his team, Mike 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: over at Ever Wonder, they were able to step in, 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: the amazing Jazz mccarthur that works with Manny Pacquiao, the 57 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 3: entire team and collectively, man we figured this thing out 58 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: and there was a bit of a bidding that happened 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: around the project, and ultimately Netflix was just phenomenal. They 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 3: were laced up, they were right, they understood it. They 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: were in the business of wanting to break records. Gabe 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: and the entire team over there were phenomenal. They just 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: understood the space and wanted to be first in it 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: and argue we had this fight that we knew was 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: going to be record breaking based on the fact that 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Floyd and Manny hold I think one or two of 67 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: the biggest records globally of all time. So it was 68 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: super simple to understand how this would look and what 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: this would look like. But more importantly, what Netflix understood 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: was this was not an exhibition like he is going 71 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: to unretire. 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: To stay there for me, I'm gonna jump in here again. 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Deon Taylor on with us the acoupol Kevin Washington e 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: from salam In for Rob on this trash talking Tuesday. 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: I want you to stay in there. Rob and I 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: talked about this and the problem with the challenge. I 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: think even you me and you talked about this last 78 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: week even is that I think it gets mixed in 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: with Floyd and Tyson, Tyson and Jake, this person, this 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: person where it's like, no, no, no, this one is 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: actually a real fight. These guys, are you know, gonna 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: come back out and really get back at it. Talk 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: to me a little bit more about that for those 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: who are saying, man, I don't know, I'm skeptical because 85 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: it's starting to get mixed in with the more gimmicky 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: versus an actual fight. 87 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that too. Man. I think, look, there's 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: another world that you know, a lot of us that 89 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: are older than you know in sports full long time, 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 3: it's very easy to get mixed up with what is 91 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: going on. There's like you know, with with with Jake 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: Paul and all these other guys that have been able 93 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: to step in here and build a business off of 94 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: these exhibition fights and whatnot that has been you know, 95 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: a new world. The Floyd Tyson fight is an exhibition. 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: I believe that those two guys have been talking and 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: wanting to do something very cool for the culture. I 98 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: think that's the angle that they would take it for that. 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: That's that's not them going in there saying we finished 100 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: with each other's ass in the last man's dead. And 101 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't think that based on the fact 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: that you know how iconic Tyson is, how iconic Floyd is. 103 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: This was more so exhibition. The Pacquiao Mayweather fight is 104 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: the real deal. That that is the one you're gonna 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: want to get your popcorn, you know, sit back and 106 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: be like, all right, let's see these two technicians go 107 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: at it again, and let's see how Champ moves. Man 108 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: because right now, I had the pleasure of seeing him 109 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: in a couple of these exhibitions, which I think Ethan 110 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: was with me in Miami, and I will tell you, man, 111 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: this dude is phenomenal. We talking about Lebron and you 112 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: know some of these football players and basketball players the 113 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: way Floyd is a different type of thing. So watching 114 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: him a couple of days, I'm like, do they so 115 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: like he ain't missed a step? 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 4: When you talk about that and you talk about you 118 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: working on his life and him wanting to tell his story, 119 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: what can you tell us about the documentary the docuseries 120 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: at Netflix as well? What can people expect to know 121 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 4: to learn about Floyd that we haven't learned yet? 122 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: Well, just from an independence or you know, the documentary 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: has been done independently with ourselves and Floyd as a 124 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: producer of his own story. But what I wanted to 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: angle in and do was I wanted to make sure 126 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: I tell people the human story. We have been able 127 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: to watch twenty four seven and see all these things, 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: but it takes a while to have someone open up 129 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: and tell their story like a Floyd. He's one of one. 130 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: And when you drill down on it and you understand 131 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: broken home, single family home, single parent home, you understand 132 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: you know, momb drug addiction, that being incarcerated. Then you 133 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: start understanding kind of what his story really is, being 134 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: around various abusive relationships, being able to be in relationships 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: with people that you cannot trust. Since you are a 136 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: very very young child, you begin to see the pieces 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: of how someone like him has to put on armor 138 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: and has to protect himself, especially when you're a gladiator. 139 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: And I think this is the most interesting tale that 140 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: we will be able to tell people right now, is like, 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: who is this man? Who is Floyd Mayweather? Not money 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: may you know, not the greatest of all time? Who 143 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: is Floyd Mayweather? And that's what we want to do 144 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: with the documentary, what we've been able to do over 145 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: the course of the last year. It's going to allow 146 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: him to really sit down, to turn everything off, take 147 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: the mask off, and talk about who he is as 148 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: a person, which I think people will be blown away 149 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: and understand the fact that three times he's been the 150 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 3: highest paid global athlete in the world with no endorsements. 151 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: So when you think about that, you understand there's never 152 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: been a Nike, There's never been a gator Rade. There's 153 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: never been the Didas, there's never been no brand around 154 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: him helping him to have commercials. The way you see him, Jay, 155 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: your point, the way you see You've seen Reebok, Allen 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: Iverson Shack, you know all these amazing athletes. The fact 157 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: that you've never ever in your life seen one Floyd 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: Mayweather commercial is insanity. So that means that he has 159 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: been bucking the system and fighting the system since he 160 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: was a kid, and doing it independently. So we talk 161 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: about all this independent. We got to own our own. 162 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: Make us see at the table. This man have been 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: doing that for thirty plus years by itself. 164 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Hey, that's perfect time in there, d We we go 165 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: up against it. Man. We're looking forward to this doc. 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: It's going to be amazing. It sounds like it's going 167 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: to be incredible. We got to fight coming in September. 168 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: So y'all doing big things, man. Congratulations again Deona Taylor 169 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: fire hit the Empire Film Group and hit the Empire Sports. 170 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Congrats on everything. 171 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: Thank you. Man. 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Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, 195 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: hit that thumbs up icon comment away. 196 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns have talked about the fact that they 197 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: are going into this offseason in their minds having no quarterback, 198 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna guys gonna have to play through it. And now 199 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: they said it's up four grabs, Deshaun Watson in that mix. 200 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Of course shaduor Sanders is in that mix as well. 201 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: That's big facts. 202 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 6: This is the one quarterback gig that you know, apparently 203 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 6: nobody wants, but anyone could have if they they're good enough. 204 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 6: Because I don't know if you knew this, but last season, 205 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 6: despite trotting out Shadure Sanders, who had one of the 206 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 6: lowest qbrs, and all the football Dylan Gabriel who was 207 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 6: actually not. 208 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: Bad, but he's Dylan Gabriels and nobody would like it. 209 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: Nobody he don't even get mentioned, Joe Flacco and the 210 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: corpse that was Deshaun Watson. 211 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 6: They had the highest paid quarterback room in the NFL 212 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 6: last season. This year they entered in. They're saying it's 213 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 6: a wide open competition. Andrew Berry says, Shadoor's gonna get 214 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 6: a shot, Dylan Gabriel's gonna get a shot, Deshaun Watson's 215 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: gonna get a shot. None of those guys are anyone 216 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 6: you really excited about. But it is an open competition 217 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 6: in Cleveland. 218 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm gonna push back on to say not 219 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: excited about. I still think there's room to see what 220 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: Shoudur is after a year where we talked about it, 221 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: from the fact that he didn't get the reps with 222 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: the ones for a long time to maybe, I don't 223 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: know two thirds through the season if you will finally 224 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: got those reps. We know that the offense isn't necessarily loaded, 225 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: and now, of course you got a new coach, new system, 226 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: So I feel like, not that you're excited per se, 227 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: but you're also I think there's some optimism of like, 228 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: if that was should do a's floor? Can they get better? 229 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: My thing with this is Rob and I have discussed this. 230 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: He believes, He absolutely believes Deshaun Watson is going to start. 231 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: And my only thing is if I'm coming in as 232 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: a new coach, Todd mackin and I'm looking at this 233 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: as this the challenge with DeShawn is DeShawn is going 234 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: to have to be MVP caliber Texans DeShawn because otherwise 235 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: anything nah mid then you're gonna immediately walk out. And 236 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: the first thing you gonna see not gonna see his 237 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: number on his jersey, You're gonna see what they paid 238 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: to get him first full time, fully guaranteed contract for 239 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: somebody two hundred plus million dollars, all that you endured 240 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: the bad that comes with it, because the minute he 241 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: puts up a stinker or two, the minute people are 242 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: gonna say all this, you paid all this to get him, 243 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: look at all the stuff he did. You know, they're 244 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna start bringing up his history. That's gonna get brought up. 245 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: And also the minute he has a game back game 246 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: to what they're gonna do, boo, shoudure shad door put 247 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: inch door, put into door. Chance. So to me, you 248 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: can have it be open, And I think that's fair. 249 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't think shaduur wild you enough that it's automatically his, 250 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: nor has Deshaun Watson, by the way, who had a 251 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: fair shot at this the year prior. But I think 252 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: I would be hoping that it's should Doure. I hope 253 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: he comes out looking good so that I can sell 254 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: myself on the fact that he's young, he has talent, 255 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: he has a bigger arm than we thought he would, 256 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: he's more mobile than we thought he would, and he's 257 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: not afraid to take risks. So I'm throwing it down 258 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: the field and I would want to. I would want 259 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: to build off what was not a great season, but 260 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a great season for our entire team except for 261 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. That's the only person who had a great season. 262 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: And I would look at that, Eframan and say, we 263 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: can build off that and also hopefully only get better 264 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and hopefully be going in the right direction. I think 265 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: there's too many There's too much that comes with DeShawn Again, 266 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: he hadn't looked great The last time I saw him 267 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: coming off the injury was the Achilles injury. And again 268 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: the baggage that comes with it, and we are the team. 269 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of like Luca and Dallas. Until Dallas gets 270 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: further away and Cooper continues to get better and they 271 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: get better, They're always gonna be the man. We gave 272 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: up Luca, Man, we gave up Luca to me. Unless 273 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: DeShawn comes out and lightsn this thing on fire, it's 274 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: always gonna be man. Look what we gave to get 275 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: this guy. Look what we gave to get him. And 276 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: so I just feel like he's gonna have to be 277 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: exceptional to get away from the stink, the funk of 278 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: it all. 279 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: Well, I will disagree. I understand exactly what you're saying. 280 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 4: I look at it a little different the best quarterback 281 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 4: on that roster is Deshaun Watson. And the reason I 282 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: say that is because we've seen Deshaun Watson lead the 283 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 4: league in passing. We've seen him be, you know, a 284 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: Pro Bowl player. We've seen those things. And so his 285 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: salary next year is for forty six million dollars. So 286 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers or Peyton 287 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 4: Manning or any of those great quarterbacks in their prime. 288 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 4: With Tom Brady, he just has to be better than 289 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: the three guys because you're already going to pay him. Now, 290 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: you have an opportunity to sit him on the bench 291 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: and have him be a backup at forty six million 292 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: dollars a year, but you're not paying any of the 293 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: other quarterbacks anything, so you can say, Okay, it's a wash. 294 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: We're paying someone whether he pays. They want Deshon to 295 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: be the starting quarterback because they want to get any 296 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: level of value out of him at any moment in 297 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: this this contract that he signed. They haven't gotten that yet. 298 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: And so if he comes into OTAs and into training 299 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: camp in shape, healthy, and he's spending the football like 300 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: we've seen him do before, we've never seen any other 301 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: ququarterback on that roster play at that level. 302 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play at that level at one 303 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: And you're right. 304 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is I believe he has the 305 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: upper hand because the price tag that they're gonna pay, 306 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: no matter if he's playing or not, is there there's 307 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: reason to say, well, this is what we've been waiting for. 308 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: He's making almost fifty million dollars this year. That's not 309 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 4: going off the books. That's not going anywhere either is 310 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: trotting out on the field every Sunday or is sitting 311 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: on the sidelight eating hot dogs every Sunday. But either way, 312 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: forty six million dollars is coming off the books. 313 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Well, can I justify that? Let's say Schaduer plays well 314 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: enough that he wins it. Can I justify and say 315 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback position is making forty six million dollars and 316 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: hopefully it's playing well well. Yes, pretty much par for 317 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the course for a good quarterback in the n If 318 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: you can look at it like that, but don't close 319 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: my eyes. I don't have to worry about who was 320 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: going to wear and dispersement. Just all I know is 321 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: paying forty six with what should do is maybe forty 322 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: seven and they ain'tetting paid crazy. It was the fifth round pick. 323 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: They're about a million dollars. Yeah, so six to forty 324 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: seven million dollars good quarterbacking. I'm happy. I don't I 325 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: didn't close my eyes and not care about who. Well, 326 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: that's what they've been doing this, that's true. That's what 327 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: they've been doing already. So if you've already been doing that, 328 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: that you know that they're not gonna cut de Sean Watson. Right. 329 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: You don't want to hamstring the team in the future 330 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: because you got this dead money hit on your books. 331 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: What you want to do is get some value out 332 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: of investment. If you bought some stock, right and the 333 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: stock was popping, you got it Bitcoin when it first 334 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 4: came out. You got a Bitcoin and now you look 335 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: at your account and this, oh, I'm a multi millionaire, right, 336 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: and then that thing, that thing tabled off and then 337 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: it fell off a cliff. I gotta get something for it, right. 338 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: Are you going to sell now? You're gonna sell now 339 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: and lose a couple million dollars? Are you gonna hold 340 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: onto it? And when it starts to perform, are you 341 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: going to now spotlight that thing? And when you can 342 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: get your value out, they won't. Everybody able to get 343 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 4: at their value lot unless they get to the playoffs, 344 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: they win a playoff game, they make a deep run. 345 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 4: That's the only way you can get any value out 346 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: of Deshaun Watson in that contract. So for me and 347 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: a new coaching staff coming in, if you can get 348 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: value out of something that hasn't held value, then not 349 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: only are you playing with house money, literally that you're 350 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: moving the team in the right direction. And so I 351 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: believe the new coach, Shuder, hasn't looked I'm a Sureder fan. 352 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: I'm pulling for him. He hasn't shown me enough to 353 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 4: where I'm saying, oh yeah, he's better than Deshaun Watson. 354 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: So I he is this clear cut guy. I believe 355 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 4: he's better than Dylan Gabriel based on the time they 356 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: got a chance to play. But let's be frank, let's 357 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 4: be real. That Cleveland Browns offense is it's not a 358 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: very good team. 359 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm not That's why I'm saying. I 360 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: know I've given Deshaun Watson a couple of times. He 361 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: didn't look bad for a game. He looked bad for 362 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: six or seven games that he got to start like 363 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: he looked. He's supposed to be the guy who's already 364 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: over the hump. He's supposed to be the guy that Okay, 365 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't look like the text we pay for him, 366 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: but he doesn't look horrible, right Aaron Rodgers. As much 367 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: as I've talked about him, and I've always say, here, 368 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: me and Rob, you know, we've yelled about this, but 369 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: I said, I've never expect him to suck because it's 370 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: almost an impossibility, right he just he if nothing outguard 371 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: and throw a buck eighty you know, no touch up. 372 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna look horrible. And as Shawn for 373 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: me is why did you have to look horrible? It'd 374 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: be different if hey, man, we got a bad team. 375 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: We're not winning, but I'm doing okay. He looked horrid, no, 376 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: very bad, And so that's what my point is. If 377 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: you look bad, you're coming off injury, you come with baggage. 378 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'd rather at least see and again 379 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to, but I'm saying i'd Rob quiet 380 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: as kept in my own I go home to my 381 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: wife for Bibles. On this coaching staff of like please, 382 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Should Doure show us signs so that we can say, yes, 383 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: we've got something moving forward the future. 384 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: And that we can be excited. I got a question 385 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you. You're the new coach coming, yes, 386 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 4: is it more valuable to the franchise for you and 387 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: your staff to get excellent play? You gotta remember they 388 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: didn't draft any of these quarterbacks right has nothing to 389 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: do with them. 390 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: Is it? 391 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: Is it more. 392 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: Valuable for you as a coach and a staff to 393 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: get value out of something no one in the organization 394 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: could have gotten value out of in a promising way? 395 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 4: Or take a flyer on a young rookie who may 396 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: or may not be considered a starting quarterback at any 397 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: time in his career. Would what would bring more value 398 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: as a new coach to a team? 399 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Maybe the former the way you phrased it, you know, 400 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: reviving DeShawn if you will, I think that would be 401 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: old to If you're like, it's I was able to 402 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: get the talent you guys were looking for out of 403 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. 404 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: Right now, DeShawn has something to prove because this could 405 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: be his last year and the National Football true and 406 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: so there's motivation there if I'm the coach, I'm having 407 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: these conversations with Deshaun Watson. 408 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 6: Now. 409 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: If he goes out there and he physically just can't 410 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: do it anymore, that's one thing. But mentally, I'm going 411 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 4: to prepare Deshaun Watson to step up and take advantage 412 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: of the opportunity that he may never get again. These 413 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: are the tip should Door is going to be there, 414 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel is going to be there. They're going into 415 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: their second year of and also ran first year, so 416 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 4: they have time. This is there is no more time 417 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 4: for Deshaun Watson. 418 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: But that's why I feel like this should Deshaun still 419 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: has enough talent, you hope, right, because he's still relatively young. Well, 420 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: we'll say that maybe he can be a We talk 421 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: about a time Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold on Super Bowl 422 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: chat meeting. Maybe it works out somewhere else another time. 423 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: Problem And I get what you're saying, and I didn't 424 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: mean to cut you off, But the problem with that 425 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 4: is with his baggage that you've been so eloquently telling 426 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: us about. You don't get to do that with the 427 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: type of baggage that you have that Baker did and 428 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: Sam did, and Gino did. They didn't have the baggage. 429 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: So as organizations and franchises are looking for guys to 430 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 4: bring in to maybe give them second third chances is 431 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 4: that baggage too heavy. 432 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: So he's so they're hamstrong to him. He's ham strong 433 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: to them. And then this one last rah, if you will, 434 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: he has to get it right. They got to get 435 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: it right. 436 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 4: Out of this the only moment they'll be able to 437 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: get any value out of the money they've paid, the 438 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty whatever million dollars that they've paid 439 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 4: them over the last five years. 440 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 441 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 442 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 443 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: listen live. 444 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: Rob g. Kevin Uran has had a lot to say, 445 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: especially if people are starting to saying the world is 446 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: catching up the world and the All Star weekend, you 447 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: know they're gonna be good. He's had a lot to say. 448 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: And now our good friend of the show of any 449 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: good will has some quote to say more. Yeah. 450 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 6: You know what's funny is he tried to bury this 451 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 6: in the story because the headline was Kevin Durant says 452 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 6: he wants to play in the twenty twenty eight Olympics. 453 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: That was the big thing. 454 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 6: Kat wants to run it back one more time, fifth 455 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 6: Olympic of his career. Later on, if you keep reading, 456 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 6: he specifically takes issue with the idea that the world 457 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 6: has caught up to USA basketball. Here's what Katie said 458 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 6: to front of the show any good will, I just 459 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 6: don't like to talk around the USA versus the European 460 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 6: style of how you approach the game. All I hear 461 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 6: is AAU destroying the game. The Euros do it right, 462 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 6: the Americans do it wrong. It's a lot of bull 463 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 6: ish with that. I can read between the lines on that. 464 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 6: It's a shot at Black Americans. We're controlling the sport. 465 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 6: They're tired that we're controlling the sport. 466 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: This is one time we talked about it with Jalen Brown. 467 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: When there's inequality, when there's uh social injustice, I want 468 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: people speaking up. I want to be one of the 469 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: people speaking up. No, it's just the world's kind of 470 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: good right now. Kd And And I think, to me, 471 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: he's reading too far into this because when people say 472 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: the world, they're talking about black people. 473 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 4: Too. 474 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: The last time I checked Joel Embiid, who was an MVP, 475 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: or at least a candidate MVP and candidate for a 476 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: handful of years. He is from forgot what was Cameroon, Cameroon, 477 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: uh Victory French, Cameroon Country and Africa Victor women Yama 478 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: is French. He black. We got SGA from Canada, Jannis 479 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: from Greece. They not like us, but you get what 480 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like the world didn't just mean Jokic and Luca. 481 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: The world meant people who are not born in America 482 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: are catching up. We talk about the MVPs. That's two 483 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: of the two of the three of you were some 484 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: of the last seven a have been world guys. Three 485 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: of the forces. She said, were talking about SGA, talking 486 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: about Gianni's, You're talking about Embiid, and then you're talking 487 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: about Jokic. So the idea that like this is just 488 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: a white black thing, I was actually trying to scratch 489 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: my hand, like KD. Now, this is more of a 490 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: world thing. This is the way they're approaching the game. 491 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: And I think the word now how he said, and 492 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: I think he touched on a little bit. Correct me 493 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Rogene the longer that I think the world, 494 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: if you're going by numbers, we're still hand blowing them out. 495 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: We're much better in depth. Yeah, but the heavy portion 496 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: and then being top heavy just to hand. You know, 497 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: if you're talking to top seven, eight guys, ten guys, 498 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: they're catching up, and that to me is not debatable. 499 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: And again it wasn't just euro or white looking players 500 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: versus black. I didn't read that like that. I've read 501 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: it as the world is catching up. You can correct 502 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: me from wrong. Even when you look at the Olympic Games. 503 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: We barely beat France. We've lost to some other teams before, 504 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: where you know, you got to put you all out 505 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: there to beat these teams. So just I took it 506 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: as that not just simply a racial thing. 507 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 4: In this instance, the majority of France's team is blay, right, 508 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: So I'm this to me, I'm I southdy, real black. 509 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: They uncut black and they was giving it to us. 510 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: They were, they absolutely were, and they were even like, oh, 511 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: were about to beat America. So yeah, I did you did? 512 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: Am I wrong for thinking he misread that. He's he's listen, 513 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: we got a lot in this country where we need 514 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: to talk and have some real honest and hard conversations. 515 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: We got a lot in this country that we are 516 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: trying to mend and heal some things we need to 517 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: focus on. This one, to me, wasn't that. This one 518 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: was more of an indictment of just saying like when 519 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: you're going back to the All Star stuff, saying we 520 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: as American born players, we want you all to play hard. 521 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't I mean all players, but the vast majority 522 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: are going to be American born. It's like that wasn't 523 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: a racial component as much as a just a country 524 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: like less ball out for the entertainment value of our fans. 525 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: To me, this wasn't that. But I could tell me 526 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm wrong or you you KD. I mean, no, you 527 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: make great points. 528 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: And I can see the angle KD was going at 529 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 4: because on the surface, that's what it seems like. When 530 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 4: you say the world and you say, you know, European 531 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: players are world players, you equate that with non black people. 532 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 4: But the world is vast, like Africa. The continent is 533 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 4: in the world, the massive continent. The top candidates for 534 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: MVP are not American, but they're black. And so when 535 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: you start with what I believe will be the face 536 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 4: of the league. And if this young man can stay healthy, 537 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: will be the best player to ever play in the NBA. 538 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 4: And as victim women Yama skill set, his abilities, his size, 539 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 4: sheer size, we've never seen anything like it, may never 540 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 4: see anything like it again, Maybe maybe not. But I 541 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 4: remember Lebron coming in and and his physicality and what 542 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 4: he looked like, and people were like, oh, this is 543 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: this is unique. Now we just one uped it. But 544 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 4: this is a black French player. And and then you 545 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 4: look at Sga. He's not from here. You know, he 546 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 4: went to school here and all of that, but he's 547 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 4: from Canada. And you look at the whole Canadian team 548 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 4: they are all black, and so on the larger scale, 549 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 4: just that statement, but when you get into it, when 550 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 4: you break it down, like we're breaking it down now, 551 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: you understand the world isn't just number one black and white, 552 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 4: and it's definitely not just white. When we when we 553 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 4: talk about world players and and and and the difference 554 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: between how we train our system of youth basketball opposed 555 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: to them. They have academies and they played professional earlier 556 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: than we do. Right, we have an AAU system and 557 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: a lot of countries have that as well, because you know, 558 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: it's funny because we're doing a vertical series at my 559 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 4: Hidden Empire Sports Collective. I'm producing a vertical series talking 560 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 4: about AAU basketball and our focal point is all of 561 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: these all of our kids are on this Paul George 562 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 4: Elite basketball team. And you have Matt Barnes's kids, you 563 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: have Zach randolph Son, my brother Dion's son is one 564 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: of the top twelve year olds in the country, my son, 565 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: and so we're we're talking and exploring youth basketball from 566 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: a father son angle. Right, It's no longer you got 567 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: to go to the NBA to get yourself out the hood. Right, 568 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: there's a vast playground out there in terms of what 569 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: success looks like for kids who played basketball at the 570 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: AAU level and what they want. Now. Yes, it may 571 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: be you want the NBA. It's only sixty draft picks. 572 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: Sixty go in, sixty gotta come out right now, there's 573 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: some free agents and some other things that happened. But 574 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: when you look at youth basketball and you look at 575 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: the fathers that are involved, they're no longer first generation 576 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: millionaires or first generation basketball players. Now we're on the 577 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: second generation. You look like Cameron Boozy, who could be 578 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: the first pick in the draft. His father, his brother 579 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: like his father played in the league. Right, you look 580 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: at Ron Harper Sence, we're in the All Star festivities. 581 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: Right. 582 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: So there's a different shift in terms of youth basketball 583 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 4: in this country because now the second and third generation 584 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 4: of players from dynamic black, dynamic American athletes is now 585 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: ushering in. So you know, I think AAU is getting 586 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: to be in a better place because guys who played 587 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 4: at a high level are now ushering their sons and 588 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: they now have teams. 589 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: So you're saying less desperation, more like teaching the game. 590 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: And yeah, because now you're teaching life lessons through basketball. Right, 591 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 4: it's not about it's about if you can get to 592 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 4: high school and these kids are getting nil deals. These 593 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 4: kids are going to college and already have three, four 594 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: or five hundred a million dollars already saved in an account. 595 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: You can get to college, you can stay. It is 596 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: no longer one and done. 597 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: You can make more money in college, that's true than 598 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: you ever making your first three years in the NBA. 599 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: And not everybody will get to another deal. 600 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: And right, and so if you played four years in college, 601 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: and you made up with to five six million dollars and. 602 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: You never made the NBA or have you failed No, 603 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: because technically you were really a professional. If we really 604 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: getting down, conversation has to change. 605 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: And I think just making a blanket statement about black 606 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: white world versus us, I think that's not You're not 607 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 4: using a broad enough lens when you save the world.