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Speaker 2: Final Hour on this Wednesday. To be busy. Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer Joe Thomas, Well, look at the conference championship games
Speaker 2: coming up this weekend. He'll stop by. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: Tom Verducci, Baseball Hall of Fame writer. There was one
Speaker 2: voter who didn't vote for Eachiro. Should the ballot be
Speaker 2: made public. We had CC Sabathia on. He said that
Speaker 2: he couldn't get Eachiro out. Each Row hit three twenty
Speaker 2: three against him with eight home runs. He also said
Speaker 2: he couldn't get Evan Longoria out either. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: some guy. This isn't fair to do this to a
Speaker 2: guy on the day, you know, day after he gets
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. Maddy Ramirez, Ramis Rameirez, Derek Jeter,
Speaker 2: Mike Redman, Alex Castile. They patted five hundred against CC Sabathia.
Speaker 2: He did get a lot of guys out though, but
Speaker 2: as he said, there's always one or two guys where
Speaker 2: you go, that guy dominated you. So we'll talk to
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Speaker 2: have some teams open for business, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints.
Speaker 2: I expect the Jets job to be closed by the
Speaker 2: end of the week, and maybe Mike McCarthy makes a
Speaker 2: decision if he has the opportunity. The Jags reportedly are
Speaker 2: looking at somebody with very very little coaching experience. Think
Speaker 2: he's an offensive coordinator, maybe with Tampa Bay. But I
Speaker 2: saw that yesterday, which was kind of surprising. The Saints, Raiders,
Speaker 2: Raiders missed out on Ben Johnson, and who knows what
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are doing. You got an update, Pauline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam Schefter and others reported the guy you just
Speaker 3: mentioned for the Jaguars, gig Liam Cohen. He is staying
Speaker 3: with the Buccaneers as their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: He's turning down being a head coach with the Jacks.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was offered, but he said
Speaker 3: he's taking himself out of the running for the Jaguars
Speaker 3: head coaching gig to stay in Tampa on a new
Speaker 3: contract that will place him amongst the highest paid coordinators
Speaker 3: in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I just haven't finished my work here yet, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: Did this worked out okay for him. Ben Johnson gets
Speaker 2: introduced to the Chicago media. Oh, there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of fake laughter today, Paulie. They're gonna they want
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson to be charismatic and funny.
Speaker 4: He's playing to a home craft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna say something like, man, it's time to
Speaker 2: go to work.
Speaker 5: Good one.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, coach, have you tried the pizza yet in
Speaker 3: our para city?
Speaker 2: A lot of fake laughter today, A lot of fake laughter.
Speaker 2: Don't need to do that with Tom Berducci. He's very serious,
Speaker 2: very serious, he joins us on loan from l at All.
Speaker 2: Actually he's got a nice smile. You just you know,
Speaker 2: Tom and great hairy, just not He's not done to
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Tom, Good morning.
Speaker 6: I don't know whether to compliment you on that intro
Speaker 6: or crush you, but well done.
Speaker 2: Your reaction to the Hall of Fame vote, Yeah, not surprising.
Speaker 6: I actually had written my story before the announcement was made,
Speaker 6: thinking would be these three. Wagner got in a little
Speaker 6: higher than I thought, considering he was just five short
Speaker 6: last year, and each year a thing one person not
Speaker 6: voting for them. Dan's not a big deal for me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, put away the pitchforks and the torches. It
Speaker 6: has no equation the worth of the player. Right, Marianna
Speaker 6: Rivera is not the greatest player in baseball history.
Speaker 7: Someone I would like to know the reason. Don't get
Speaker 7: me wrong.
Speaker 6: Someone must have a legitimate reason, I hope for leaving
Speaker 6: him off the ballot. I'd like that person to explain himself.
Speaker 6: But I don't get upset about it. No, it's not
Speaker 6: like ho take away his voting privileges because he didn't
Speaker 6: vote the way he's quote unquote supposed to vote.
Speaker 7: I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2: But should the ballot be made public?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Listen, we're into business and journalism. Business and transparency.
Speaker 6: When we get that ballot, we're able to check a
Speaker 6: box that says, would you like the BBWAA to make
Speaker 6: this ballot public after the announcement, And most of us
Speaker 6: always do right, But it is a choice, it's not
Speaker 6: an obligation. I would have no problem with making it public.
Speaker 6: I actually dan, I would prefer that it all be public.
Speaker 6: But you cannot reveal your ballot until after the announcement
Speaker 6: is made. Can you imagine, like the Grammy's coming out
Speaker 6: the Academy Awards, there was a running tracker of who
Speaker 6: is leading.
Speaker 7: No, I don't want that.
Speaker 6: I just want to hear the announcement when it's made
Speaker 6: of who want and what the vote holes were. I
Speaker 6: don't want it to influence the election, and I want
Speaker 6: to hold off the surprise.
Speaker 2: Frankly, well, that's what it is with the Heisman. They say,
Speaker 2: don't reveal your ballot, and I always wait until after,
Speaker 2: and then I say, this is who I voted for
Speaker 2: and why I voted for them. But I look, I'm
Speaker 2: proud to have that opportunity, so I don't want to
Speaker 2: hide from it. I would just be curious why this
Speaker 2: voter didn't vote for each row like, what was it
Speaker 2: that that bothered you? Or sometimes, as you know, voters
Speaker 2: will give a vote to somebody else so they can
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a boost because this other
Speaker 2: guy is already going to get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard of that in the past.
Speaker 6: It's tough to think that's in play this time, Dan,
Speaker 6: this was not necessarily a really deep ballot where you're
Speaker 6: fighting to keep guys on on the eight, nine, ten
Speaker 6: spots in the ballot. Now listen, each row to me
Speaker 6: is a no brainer, right, three thousand hits, three hundred average,
Speaker 6: five stolen bases, one of only five guys to do that,
Speaker 6: a handful of guys. But I mean, he does have
Speaker 6: the lowest adjusted ops for any count corner outfielder in
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame. He was a singles hitter who
Speaker 6: didn't walk and didn't hit for extra bases. You want
Speaker 6: to hold that against him, I don't, But I, like you,
Speaker 6: I would like to know what it was. You know,
Speaker 6: It's interesting he came up for the Japanese Baseball Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame ballot as well and only pulled about ninety
Speaker 6: three percent over there.
Speaker 7: So I don't know, I don't know. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Maybe bad that he left. Yeah, there you go, he didn't.
Speaker 6: He didn't last long enough over there. I think he
Speaker 6: had a thousand hits over there. It wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: Moving forward though, trying to look at starting pitchers and
Speaker 2: you know, trying to handicap how do you quantify qualify
Speaker 2: these starting pitchers to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Let's get rid of the guys you know are already
Speaker 2: in with Ureser and you know, you got Clayton kershaw Lander,
Speaker 2: maybe one of I don't know, Granky, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's greenky a whole ye, yeah, Okay, Now what
Speaker 2: do you do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great question because you know, watching a
Speaker 6: guy like CC, he's got traditional numbers, thirty five hundred innings, right,
Speaker 6: three thousand punch outs, two hundred and fifty wins.
Speaker 7: That's kind of easy.
Speaker 6: But those I don't want to say he's the last
Speaker 6: of them, but it's it's far and few between. So
Speaker 6: you're starting to now I think see a really seismic
Speaker 6: change in voting. And I think Felix Hernandez is kind
Speaker 6: of the canary and the coal mine.
Speaker 2: Here, right.
Speaker 7: His peak actually was better than CC.
Speaker 6: Sabathia's he just threw so many innings at nineteen twenty
Speaker 6: twenty one that he didn't last in his thirties. So
Speaker 6: now you're gonna have to look back and guys like
Speaker 6: Johann Santana, Brett Saberhagen, Dave Steve, Kevin Brown, David Kohene,
Speaker 6: a lot of these guys who had really really high
Speaker 6: peaks were among the best pitchers in the game for say, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 6: ten years, but didn't have the three thousand punchouts, three
Speaker 6: thousand innings.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 6: That think they are going to come into play as
Speaker 6: we go forward here, and very few like Bathiet that
Speaker 6: are going to come up.
Speaker 2: Okay, But is did Kurt Shilling come along on the
Speaker 2: ballot at the wrong time because he was If Shilling
Speaker 2: is on the ballot, now, is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 6: You know, if he takes down his social media account
Speaker 6: and he stays quiet. I mean, really, that's why he's
Speaker 6: not in the Hall of Fame. He opened his mouth
Speaker 6: and people didn't like it.
Speaker 7: I voted for him every year.
Speaker 6: To me, he was Don Drysdale with a better postseason.
Speaker 6: Kurt Shilling was a history changer. It's easy for me
Speaker 6: to vote for guys who change history. C C changed history,
Speaker 6: whether it was the stretch run with Milwaukee, all time
Speaker 6: legendary stuff, or he signs with the Yankees, huge deal,
Speaker 6: they win his first year there and he's the guy
Speaker 6: the MVP of the Alcs.
Speaker 7: Shilling changed history.
Speaker 6: We can think about games at the top of our
Speaker 6: head that he influenced, essentially one himself. That to me
Speaker 6: as a Hall of Famer, and he was tracking that
Speaker 6: way until he ticked off a lot of journalists and
Speaker 6: said the wrong things that didn't.
Speaker 2: Supposed to factor into Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think it does, Dan. I think listen, I didn't agree
Speaker 6: with what he said, but I vote on someone's playing.
Speaker 2: But he didn't cheat the game. You got guys who
Speaker 2: cheated the game, and we.
Speaker 7: With Peds Dan.
Speaker 6: It really affects how the game has played, the competitive
Speaker 6: aspect of the game. The most basic rule of competing
Speaker 6: in sports is play fairly.
Speaker 7: You hear it on the playground.
Speaker 6: You here in Major League Baseball, don't create an uneven
Speaker 6: playing field. What Hilling did as a player, I don't
Speaker 6: see any evidence that, you know what his his political views,
Speaker 6: social views affected how he played the game.
Speaker 7: So I'm with you on that. It's nothing to say
Speaker 7: that you ignore it.
Speaker 6: You can disagree with it as I do, but doesn't
Speaker 6: mean you have to say, oh, therefore, I'm not voting
Speaker 6: through the Hall of Fame. Very interesting to see what
Speaker 6: happens now because he's off the writer's ballot. If a
Speaker 6: room full of sixteen people in a veterans committee, twelve
Speaker 6: of them think, yeah, we're gonna look past what he
Speaker 6: said and put him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. With the Dodgers and the
Speaker 2: amount of my money that they're spending, they're not breaking
Speaker 2: any rules. They're if that's my ownership, I'm thrilled that
Speaker 2: they're they want to ensure we're going to have a
Speaker 2: great team. Is there any recourse with Baseball of doing
Speaker 2: anything about this in the future.
Speaker 7: No, not now.
Speaker 6: They're playing by the rules as you said. I mean,
Speaker 6: they have a billion dollars in deferred money. But Gogenheim,
Speaker 6: the company that owns the Dodgers, has about three hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty billion dollars in deferred money. So this is
Speaker 6: pocket change for what they do and how they operate.
Speaker 6: And I think you have to look at the fact too, Dan,
Speaker 6: that their infrastructure right, their technology, they're coaching, everything they
Speaker 6: do to create a working atmosphere for players is top
Speaker 6: of the charts. Great, and if you want to go
Speaker 6: to the postseason, you sign with the Dodgers. They deserve
Speaker 6: credit for creating this atmosphere similar to the Yankees in
Speaker 6: the late nineties.
Speaker 7: Right, those are the advantage that they're operating with. Is
Speaker 7: it good for the game?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Listen, we all love Goliath.
Speaker 6: You're sitting here talking about the Chiefs every year and
Speaker 6: people get tired of them. But we all like to
Speaker 6: also for David against Goliath, Right, So I think.
Speaker 7: It's good for the game.
Speaker 6: But they're already are owners around the game who can't
Speaker 6: compete even closely with how the Dodgers spend money, who
Speaker 6: say we need a system that's different. And if you're
Speaker 6: talking about a salary cap, just be prepared for not
Speaker 6: playing baseball in twenty twenty seven, because every time that
Speaker 6: issue comes up and you owners want to stick to it,
Speaker 6: we have the game shut down.
Speaker 7: That's the history of labor negotiating.
Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Tom, you
Speaker 2: got Daan, Thank you Tom Berducci MLB Network, Fox Sports
Speaker 2: analyst senior writer for Sports Illustrated Jason in Arizona. Hi, Jason,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: No, I just think Tom just butchered that question, like
Speaker 10: is it back for baseball? Of course it's back for baseball.
Speaker 10: There's no way that they should just be able to
Speaker 10: circumvent the There is a salary cap in baseball, and
Speaker 10: there shouldn't be able to circumvent it by deferring all
Speaker 10: that money, the biggest contract at the time in baseball history.
Speaker 10: Just defer it all and now you can use all
Speaker 10: that money to sign all these other guys. And there's
Speaker 10: no way you can tell me that Shohy and these
Speaker 10: other Japanese pitchers are not in communication with each other.
Speaker 2: Well, sure, but you know baseball's allowed this until and
Speaker 2: the players are getting paid. So this is going to
Speaker 2: be the owners locking out the players if you think
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. And as Tom said twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: but if that's that's that's my ownership and they're spending money,
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean I'm not. If you're a
Speaker 2: Dodger fan, are you worried about an unfair advantage? Here,
Speaker 2: you're not. Now, do I like the other markets to
Speaker 2: be able to be competitive? I do, And they keep
Speaker 2: adding playoff you know, teams, so maybe you get that
Speaker 2: in a shortened series where maybe you can knock off
Speaker 2: a team like that. But this is what the Yankees did.
Speaker 2: And the Yankees had all that extra money from the
Speaker 2: Yes network. I mean they created something that nobody else
Speaker 2: could take advantage of or did take advantage of. The
Speaker 2: Dodgers are kind of doing the same thing. Yeah, PAULI
Speaker 2: did you.
Speaker 3: Want to play Let's play the Dodgers payroll game. We
Speaker 3: haven't played that in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: All right, So going into next season, what's the Dodgers payroll?
Speaker 4: Yes, rejected payroll as of right now?
Speaker 2: All right, Todd.
Speaker 11: Four hundred and twenty seven million dollars.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 3: A team like the Saint Louis Cardinals is at one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight million, and they're kind of in
Speaker 3: the middle of the entire league.
Speaker 2: All right, seatan Dodgers payroll next year.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna say it's almost exactly double what Paul just
Speaker 12: said four hundred and was it? Would you say four
Speaker 12: hundred and forty eight million, Yes, something like that. So
Speaker 12: Todd said, I'm sorry, you said one hundred forty eight
Speaker 12: for the the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Yes, one forty eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 12: So you got so it would be double what the
Speaker 12: Cardinals is, maybe closer to like three twenty six.
Speaker 2: Three twenty six, three twenty six. Marvin, three hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve million. I'm gonna go three fifty eight five.
Speaker 4: Three hundred and sixty nine million dollars for the Dodgers.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In comparison, the Mets are at two ninety seven, Phillies
Speaker 3: to eighty eight, the Yankees to eighty four.
Speaker 2: Okay, what is the lowest payroll in baseball.
Speaker 4: Estimated for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: It's not Oakland because or Sacramento. Now they're actually spending
Speaker 2: money ish.
Speaker 4: They're at seventy four million, second to last.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so they're not last. Yes, Marvin, I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna go with the Marlins at thirty four million dollars.
Speaker 4: It's the Marlins at sixty seven millions.
Speaker 5: Thirty four Those are my Marlins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, but every five years they win a World Series.
Speaker 10: So I'm with see.
Speaker 5: And I also have an issue with the playoff system
Speaker 5: expanding the Marlins. I'm almost certain I'll take a pie
Speaker 5: of the face if this is true. What I don't
Speaker 5: think they have a division title. I don't think they've
Speaker 5: ever won a division division title. But they have two soup,
Speaker 5: I mean, two Super Bowls World Series championships. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: He's correct, you're fired up here over the Marlins.
Speaker 5: So they get in with eighty four wins. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: end up winning the World Series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were kind of the Diamondbacks before the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: This last Diamondback team that went to the World Series.
Speaker 2: Just get in, Yes, But if.
Speaker 3: You don't have things like this, you don't have the
Speaker 3: ELI manning Super Bowls, if you don't.
Speaker 2: Have wild card yeah, wild cards. I think the Packers
Speaker 2: were a wild card with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh great wild card. Yeah. Well, you don't like the
Speaker 2: wild card, you like you won your division.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of into that baseball wise.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm a peerst Well remember when they used
Speaker 2: to just have one divisional Like you, you won your division,
Speaker 2: you got to go to the World Series.
Speaker 5: Oh I'm with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you just two teams at the end of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 5: The two best teams in the National League in the
Speaker 5: American League.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, Tom, And when the Dodgers and Braves playing
Speaker 9: the same division, that made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Well, the Dodgers, Braves and the Red National League West,
Speaker 2: the Reds in Ohio and the Braves in Atlanta, they're
Speaker 2: in the West. Yes.
Speaker 12: When you look at like these websites and they have
Speaker 12: the payroll things, and it says total payroll and then
Speaker 12: right next to that it says active payroll. So the
Speaker 12: Marlins say their total payroll according to this right is
Speaker 12: about forty three million dollars, but their active payroll is
Speaker 12: almost twenty nine million dollars. Oh, is that the stuff
Speaker 12: that like they're still paying out, like, oh, we signed
Speaker 12: this guy, but we owe him a million dollars a
Speaker 12: year for the next five years, so that goes in
Speaker 12: the active that goes in the.
Speaker 2: Total payroll for this year.
Speaker 12: I'm guessing active payroll is just well, these are the
Speaker 12: guys we're really playing.
Speaker 2: Yes, it feels like that.
Speaker 12: It feels like a significant amount of money that goes
Speaker 12: over Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, would'd be great one time to be on inactive payroll.
Speaker 3: Pay to not do anything. I got a coach that
Speaker 3: gets fired and has three more years on his contract.
Speaker 12: The National's total payroll this year is seventy five point
Speaker 12: two million dollars. Their active payroll is forty nine million dollars.
Speaker 2: That's almost twice as much all times. Did you see
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper at the Ohio State Yeah, I do know.
Speaker 2: He's a big Ohio State fan.
Speaker 5: Me neither.
Speaker 2: He had I think an Ohio State Buckeye letter jacket on.
Speaker 2: He's from Vegas, Like, how did he end up an
Speaker 2: Ohio State fan? All right, let me take a break.
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas Hall of Famer Will John's coming out. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about the AFC NFC title games. Is he chiefed
Speaker 2: out back? After this?
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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. Update the Pole results. Joe
Speaker 2: Thomas is the only player in NFL history to play
Speaker 2: in more than ten thousand consecutive plays without interruption or injury.
Speaker 2: The NFL record ten thousand, three hundred and sixty three
Speaker 2: snaps sounds pretty impressive. I don't know what it means,
Speaker 2: but uh, you're Are you the cow Ripken of offensive lineman.
Speaker 14: I'll allow you to call me the cal Ripken of
Speaker 14: all of the NFL if that's what you want to do, Dan,
Speaker 14: you can put the words in my mouth. I'm okay
Speaker 14: with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, But how many times were you aware this streak
Speaker 2: when you played?
Speaker 14: I was, yeah, So it was probably like year six
Speaker 14: or seven when I realized, huh, you know what, I
Speaker 14: don't think I've missed the play yet. And then our
Speaker 14: sports information director Dan Murphy kind of looked into it
Speaker 14: and was like, hey, you're right, you haven't missed any plays.
Speaker 14: And oh, by the way, I don't think anybody's done
Speaker 14: that ever since they started keeping track in like nineteen
Speaker 14: ninety nine or something like that.
Speaker 2: But how many times did you go out there just
Speaker 2: to keep the streak alive?
Speaker 14: So I never actually willingly like said, oh I'm ready
Speaker 14: to take a break, and oh, but I got the
Speaker 14: streak on the line, I got to go back out there.
Speaker 14: But certainly towards the end, as as I was getting
Speaker 14: closer to ten thousand, which is kind of a big milestone,
Speaker 14: I thought, you know what, Hey, if you know my
Speaker 14: shoelace breaks or I lose a chin strap, do I.
Speaker 11: Call a time out?
Speaker 14: Do I just like go and quit? Call a timeout
Speaker 14: so I can save the streak and just deal with
Speaker 14: the coach yelling at me on the sideline. And I
Speaker 14: think to myself, you know what, after nine years of
Speaker 14: doing this, I think I deserve to waste at least
Speaker 14: one time out if I had to with something goofy,
Speaker 14: like a shoe gun tied, or like busted the chin strap,
Speaker 14: or you know, something with an equipment malfunction happens.
Speaker 2: I had a former college coach, well known college coach,
Speaker 2: and he was talking about developing running backs because we
Speaker 2: don't use them the way we once did. But maybe
Speaker 2: there's a comeback with that with Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 2: but also developing offensive lineman. That the way the game
Speaker 2: is played in college, that we're not developing offensive lineman
Speaker 2: the way that we once did. Your thoughts on that
Speaker 2: of what you see with offensive lineman now as to
Speaker 2: you know when you were at Wisconsin.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a much more wide open game in college
Speaker 14: and in high school especially, and I think because of that,
Speaker 14: the guys on the offensive line are not really taught
Speaker 14: the breadth of techniques that we were when I was
Speaker 14: in college and when I was early in the NFL,
Speaker 14: where you have to learn so many different ways of blocking.
Speaker 14: You're blocking manned concepts, you're blocking double teams and gap schemes,
Speaker 14: you're blocking inside zone, you're blocking outside zone. And then
Speaker 14: also you have your drop back pass, you have your
Speaker 14: three step, your five step, your seven step, your play action,
Speaker 14: your boots. So you have this huge catalog of techniques
Speaker 14: that you have to learn that they just don't do
Speaker 14: that quite as much anymore, and they don't put as
Speaker 14: much pressure on the offensive lineman, which is probably a
Speaker 14: good thing because it takes a long time to learn
Speaker 14: all these different techniques, but I think they've really dumbed
Speaker 14: it down and at the high school and college level,
Speaker 14: and so because of that, at the NFL, you see
Speaker 14: guys that they've got great technique, they're stronger, they're faster,
Speaker 14: they're more athletic than ever, but they don't have those
Speaker 14: pro style catalog of techniques that they used to, and
Speaker 14: so when you're asking them to do a bunch of
Speaker 14: different stuff like NFL offenses, do they struggle in a
Speaker 14: lot of different ways, because it just takes a lot
Speaker 14: of time and a lot of reps to develop that.
Speaker 14: And oh, by the way, we have less pre season time,
Speaker 14: less contact time in the off season and through training camp,
Speaker 14: and so you have less time to actually develop those
Speaker 14: techniques that you need the most.
Speaker 2: What is it about a couple of these tackles that
Speaker 2: get off the ball like that, It feels like they're
Speaker 2: moving before they're supposed to be moving. Lane Johnson kind
Speaker 2: of mastered this, but are they like, is it illegal?
Speaker 2: Should it be flagged?
Speaker 14: No? I think the problem is for decades we were
Speaker 14: used to seeing the ball snap, and then after the
Speaker 14: ball is about almost between the center's legs, we see
Speaker 14: the offensive line move, and defensive linemen we're moving at
Speaker 14: a similar slow pace. Well, somewhere, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 14: middle beginning of my career, defensive lineman realized, Hey, if
Speaker 14: I can beat that offensive tackle off the snap and
Speaker 14: get ahead of him, now he's playing catch up to me.
Speaker 14: Now he's back on his heels, and then now I
Speaker 14: can dictate whatever I want to do in my rush.
Speaker 14: At the point of contact he's off balance. I can
Speaker 14: either bull rush him or I can push pull him.
Speaker 14: I can rip to the outside to the inside, but
Speaker 14: I've got them right where I wanted. And so offensive
Speaker 14: tackles started realizing, Hey, the secret to winning the REP
Speaker 14: is to win the snap, and that's what we started emphasizing.
Speaker 14: And so then you started hearing guys and seeing guys
Speaker 14: anticipate when the snap was coming, and so when you
Speaker 14: listen to a snapcount, which is really important from a quarterback.
Speaker 14: I had a lot of quarterbacks twenty quarterbacks that I
Speaker 14: applied for that were starters at Cleveland, and the first
Speaker 14: thing that I would try to train these guys up
Speaker 14: on is, all right, we need a rhythmic cadence so
Speaker 14: that I can anticipate when you're going to call for
Speaker 14: the ball and I can start the process of my
Speaker 14: brain telling my body to move, which there's a little
Speaker 14: bit of a lag time. It's not like the speed
Speaker 14: of light, but it's pretty fast. But that little split
Speaker 14: second of lag between when your brain says go and
Speaker 14: your body goes is enough of a difference maker. That
Speaker 14: is the determination of whether you win or lose the snap,
Speaker 14: and whether you win or lose the REP in a
Speaker 14: pass pro. And so I would actually tell myself, like
Speaker 14: lane Johnson and all the tackles that you're seeing doing
Speaker 14: a good job of it. I was telling my body
Speaker 14: to go before the call from the quarterback, which made
Speaker 14: the timing absolutely perfect. So if you actually look at it,
Speaker 14: for a lot of these guys, the second the ball
Speaker 14: just starts to move before the snap even really happens,
Speaker 14: the tip of that football just starts moving. That's when
Speaker 14: they're moving, and that's a perfect rep. And to the
Speaker 14: naked eye, it probably looks like they're jumping and they're
Speaker 14: fall starting until you slow it down on film and
Speaker 14: you see, oh no, that was actually perfect because if
Speaker 14: they don't do that, that's exactly when the defensive linemen
Speaker 14: are moving.
Speaker 2: Okay, but give me it. For instance, your quarterback line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, when do you know that ball is going
Speaker 2: to be snapped? Because if he goes, say, you know,
Speaker 2: green fifty seven set hut hut, like yeah.
Speaker 14: So if it's on one, you'll hear the snap count.
Speaker 14: It's actually like a rolling cadence. So we used to
Speaker 14: do white aity, why eat he's not, so all those
Speaker 14: things kind of roll together. So when I would hear
Speaker 14: white aiti whye Eddy's set, I was actually going on
Speaker 14: the set before the hut, which was actually the calling
Speaker 14: for the football, and so you had to all so
Speaker 14: stay on top of your center because if he was
Speaker 14: trying to get a head start too. Now all of
Speaker 14: a sudden, the ball is coming before the quarterback and
Speaker 14: everybody else is ready. And so that's why it's really
Speaker 14: important that the quarterback's cadence and how he rolls into
Speaker 14: the hut and when the center is snapping the ball
Speaker 14: is all perfectly in sync and perfectly the same from
Speaker 14: one snap to the next, so that I can win
Speaker 14: and the defensive lineman is a little bit behind.
Speaker 2: Spend eleven seasons with the Cleveland Browns. Works for the
Speaker 2: NFL Network, Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer, and you're working
Speaker 2: with Colt. Explain what Colt is?
Speaker 14: Yeah, Colt Firearms. They have made the Safety Impact Award
Speaker 14: to try to encourage safe and responsible firearm ownership. And myself,
Speaker 14: Clay Matthews, guy went against a lot, probably thought I
Speaker 14: was false starting quite a bit when he was playing
Speaker 14: for the Packers. Adam Vinatieri and Fletcher Cox, we're all
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Speaker 14: It's one dollar per vote, and then when you vote,
Speaker 14: if there's a safety, which you get the little pun
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Speaker 14: people that voted for the winning charity have a chance
Speaker 14: to win a portion of one hundred thousand dollars from Cordova.
Speaker 14: So you get an opportunity to get a free prop
Speaker 14: bet in the Super Bowl and get the cheer for
Speaker 14: a safety, which is my wife's favorite play. So I'm
Speaker 14: always cheering, happy wife, Happy life.
Speaker 2: Give me the quarterback who would be the toughest to
Speaker 2: block for?
Speaker 14: So there's always this conversation. I just had this with
Speaker 14: Lane Johnson a couple of weeks ago about would you
Speaker 14: rather block for a quarterback that's mobile that you know,
Speaker 14: if you get just flat out beat, like you just
Speaker 14: fall in your face and the guy runs past you,
Speaker 14: is able to make that guy miss and turn it?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 14: Chicken salad into you know or chicken you know what
Speaker 14: and the chickens out, And or would you rather have
Speaker 14: the guy like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who's
Speaker 14: exactly in the right spot every time, He's not really
Speaker 14: going to avoid anybody, but he's throwing that ball on time.
Speaker 14: And for me, I always preferred the guy that was
Speaker 14: in the right spot getting rid of the football on time,
Speaker 14: because then I knew I could do my job right
Speaker 14: no matter what. And like I always wanted the onus
Speaker 14: to be on me to make sure that I did
Speaker 14: my job the right way. And I don't really care
Speaker 14: what the quarterback does, but if he's in that spot,
Speaker 14: he's going to be protected. But some guys, they prefer
Speaker 14: the guys that can get out and move, you know,
Speaker 14: the Jayden Daniels that Jalen hurts. The guys that, hey,
Speaker 14: you get beat and all of a sudden he's going
Speaker 14: to make a great, amazing play and convert a first down.
Speaker 14: And then all of a sudden, instead of the coach
Speaker 14: putting you in a headlock and giving you a nuggie
Speaker 14: on the sideline, he's patting you on the back and say, ah,
Speaker 14: it's okay, you'll get him next time, buddy.
Speaker 2: But Mahomes is not like Jayden Daniels or Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: He's or even Jalen Hurts like. He's just unique because
Speaker 2: I always call him an opportunisticquarterback. He's an opportunist. I'm
Speaker 2: not there's no design runs, but if there is a run,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be taking advantage of that. But then
Speaker 2: we also get to this point where is he flaunting
Speaker 2: the protecting the quarterback when he's out of the pocket.
Speaker 2: If you were the NFL, would you make any tweaks
Speaker 2: to that rule next season?
Speaker 11: Absolutely?
Speaker 14: And I have been banging this drum for a while
Speaker 14: because I do not blame Josh Allen because he does
Speaker 14: it a lot too. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes. I
Speaker 14: just think that's they're doing a good job of utilizing that.
Speaker 14: The way the game is officiated right now, however, the
Speaker 14: NFL absolutely has to make a change with how they
Speaker 14: officiate the roughing the passer, with how they officiate the
Speaker 14: giving yourself up to slide for quarterbacks, how they officiate
Speaker 14: guys at quarterback like Patrick Mahomes did last weekend, where
Speaker 14: they look like they're about to go out of bounds
Speaker 14: and then they stop and then the defense hits them
Speaker 14: and then they fly out of bounds. And I don't
Speaker 14: even necessarily blame the quarterbacks or the officials in this case.
Speaker 14: It's just how it's being officiated, because if you look
Speaker 14: at the rule, they're saying that when a quarterback starts
Speaker 14: to slide, that's where the ball should be placed down.
Speaker 14: So the moment he starts to slide, that's where he's down.
Speaker 14: And it was a way of a quarterback being able
Speaker 14: to give themselves up when they're in open field without
Speaker 14: getting hit at all. And it was supposed to happen
Speaker 14: way before contact was ever made. But because officials were
Speaker 14: placing the ball like in the middle of when they
Speaker 14: started their slide, they were giving him these extra yardage
Speaker 14: after they had started sliding. And because of that, now
Speaker 14: you see quarterbacks doing these late slides. They're trying to
Speaker 14: get as close to a defensive lineman as they can
Speaker 14: and then maybe it look like they're going to slide
Speaker 14: and then keep going, and it puts defenders in tremendous
Speaker 14: conflict because you don't know what the intentions of the
Speaker 14: quarterback is, and the intentions should be very clear by
Speaker 14: the letter of the law and the letter of the
Speaker 14: rule from the NFL. They should be able to understand
Speaker 14: well in advance from a defensive standpoint, if that quarterback
Speaker 14: is giving themselves up or and the fact that it's
Speaker 14: not happening and we're getting late slides, we're getting fake slides.
Speaker 14: We're getting quarterbacks that pretend like they're going out of
Speaker 14: bounds and then they don't. It's actually become a very
Speaker 14: dangerous play. We saw that with Trevor Lawrence earlier in
Speaker 14: the season. Now his wasn't quite as late. But because
Speaker 14: of this difficult quandary that we're putting the defenders in,
Speaker 14: whether they don't know what the quarterback is doing, and
Speaker 14: then if they don't make a play on the quarterback,
Speaker 14: they don't try to tackle them. Now they're a meme
Speaker 14: on social media for being a bozo and not trying
Speaker 14: to hit the quarterback and just standing there, and you know,
Speaker 14: you have all these issues of not knowing what's happening.
Speaker 14: And so I think for the safety of the quarterbacks,
Speaker 14: which is I think in everybody's best in just of course,
Speaker 14: we want to see Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen go
Speaker 14: at it this weekend. We don't want to see those
Speaker 14: two backups like we want to keep them healthy. But
Speaker 14: it needs to be officiated differently, and there needs to
Speaker 14: be some type of penalty, maybe like they did in
Speaker 14: the NBA with the flopping and stuff against a quarterback
Speaker 14: who's not clearly giving himself up well before he gets
Speaker 14: anywhere near making contact with a defender.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think you were really intimidating anybody if
Speaker 2: in cold weather you went out there with short sleeves on.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 14: No, it was definitely a peer pressure thing. There was
Speaker 14: an ego thing that came from a long, long time ago.
Speaker 14: But the one thing I will say to people that
Speaker 14: you know are always impressed because you always hear the
Speaker 14: announcers the linemen are wearing sleeves.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 14: I actually felt that not wearing sleeves was warmer because
Speaker 14: when you wear sleeves, when you get sweaty, which inevitably
Speaker 14: you will, now that material has got water on it,
Speaker 14: sweat on it, and it's going to evaporate and make
Speaker 14: your arms colder. And so what we would do, and
Speaker 14: I'm sure they still do it, is if you wore
Speaker 14: bare arms, you put vasileene, which helps cut the wind.
Speaker 14: It helps cut any of that evaporation that's going to happen,
Speaker 14: and then don't forget.
Speaker 2: Is that legal?
Speaker 14: Far as I know, I never got a flag for it,
Speaker 14: I never got fined for it, so I'm pretty sure
Speaker 14: it's legal. Defenders would do it too. But I think
Speaker 14: the thing that we need to remember too is like
Speaker 14: underneath that shoulder pad and jersey that you're wearing, you're
Speaker 14: wearing like a wetsuit, like you're wearing the warmest possible
Speaker 14: thing on planet Earth. You've got a wool patch stitched
Speaker 14: up into your helmet that covers your ears. The sidelines
Speaker 14: have these giant jet blow torches that like they're so
Speaker 14: hot you can't even get near him, or I've melted
Speaker 14: my shoes before, so it is plenty warm for those players.
Speaker 14: We do not have to feel sorry for those guys
Speaker 14: whatsoever on a cold day. Feel bad for the officials
Speaker 14: that don't get to go over there, maybe, or the
Speaker 14: people that are working the sidelines, are the fans, certainly
Speaker 14: you don't have any of those heaters, but the players,
Speaker 14: they're just fine guys.
Speaker 2: He's Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer and hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: three consecutive snaps without injury or interruption. See, you can't
Speaker 2: like if you're sick around the house with your wife,
Speaker 2: like she'll be like, oh, mister consecutive snaps streak is
Speaker 2: not going to be able to help us take out
Speaker 2: the garbage.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it works good with my four kids because I'm like, hey, kids,
Speaker 14: all right, you can get up, you can go to school.
Speaker 14: You're just fine, you know, Okay, I'm sorry you hurt
Speaker 14: your shoulder. You know what, I played ten and a
Speaker 14: halfs in the NFL without missing a nap. I think
Speaker 14: you guys can suck it up for one basketball.
Speaker 2: Now once again. You can go to Safety Impactaward dot
Speaker 2: com for more on what Colt is doing the Safety
Speaker 2: Impact Award. Great to talk to you again, Joe, thanks
Speaker 2: for joining us.
Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks for having me on Dan. If you guys
Speaker 14: want to go to my social media Joe Thomas seventy three,
Speaker 14: you can also find that link on my Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 2: All righty, we take a break, last call for phone calls.
Speaker 2: What we learn, what's in store tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition
Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
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Speaker 2: Show flew by to day, Tomorrow's Thursday already? Now, how
Speaker 2: does this happen? Here's yeah, it's crazy. Time flies. We
Speaker 2: probably had more fun on this show in the last
Speaker 2: eight months than I think we ever have as far
Speaker 2: as content goes, guests. Everything just kind of fell into
Speaker 2: a comfort zone that's different than it has been before.
Speaker 2: You guys feel then, absolutely, Thank you, Tod.
Speaker 11: That's the question as well.
Speaker 2: No, you could have said no. I mean I would
Speaker 2: have been fine if you said, you know what, back
Speaker 2: in you know, twenty fourteen, I thought we had a
Speaker 2: six month stretch. It was better than this.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that was that was my honest assessment.
Speaker 2: That's uh, Marvin, what do you think?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: I agree completely?
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Mark. It's much for your converse, yes, all, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's when it's flowing, it's fun, when it's just
Speaker 3: a conversation.
Speaker 4: You just it.
Speaker 2: Works, It works, It works just I don't know, they're
Speaker 2: just weeks that go by or days that go by
Speaker 2: just so quick, and I think having fun with it,
Speaker 2: but having a lot of things to talk about, a
Speaker 2: lot of topics.
Speaker 11: Very perceptive.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tod. You're such a suck up.
Speaker 11: Was not what was?
Speaker 2: I don't know anything. You're better than that, not much.
Speaker 2: Curtis in Illinois, Hi, Curtis, it's on your mind morn
Speaker 2: in DP. Hey missed all of hour two.
Speaker 15: Spending the time at the dentist with my daughter. So
Speaker 15: at what point is the cutoff between having to just
Speaker 15: extract a tooth for like a hundie or if you're
Speaker 15: talking like thousands of dollars for a specialist root canal
Speaker 15: for your kid. But then also I got an idea
Speaker 15: on how to prevent Patrick Mahomes from the skirt And
Speaker 15: the rule for the fly down is you can't slide
Speaker 15: for a first down and you either have to do
Speaker 15: it well before or well after, and you know, make
Speaker 15: it the onus on the quarterback to slide five yards
Speaker 15: away from a defender. So there's never a question about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to be. It'll certainly be
Speaker 2: addressed in the off season, and I think it's got
Speaker 2: to be changed in the off season. If the goal
Speaker 2: was to protect the quarterback, then you need to have
Speaker 2: the quarterback help protect himself. It can't be up to
Speaker 2: the official, not all the time. At some point you
Speaker 2: got to be I think fair to the situation because
Speaker 2: somebody's going to get blasted one of these days, and
Speaker 2: nobody's going to have any sympathy for you.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sam, And Saint Louis, Hi, Sam, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Dan, five eleven, two ten, and my dog tyus. He's
Speaker 16: a big fan of the Penny's Bang biscuits. But I
Speaker 16: had a quick in er out for you guys for
Speaker 16: two future Hall of Famers. The first one, the next
Speaker 16: unanimous Hall of Famer will be our pools.
Speaker 2: I'd have to look at it, but uh I, I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't sit here and go, of course, because I
Speaker 2: didn't think Mariano Rivera would be unanimous, but I thought
Speaker 2: Derek Jeter would be.
Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, we were back here discussing this, and I
Speaker 5: don't think so unanimous. I think he probably gets ninety
Speaker 5: the Angels years, but the first ten years as good
Speaker 5: as you ever see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's why Saint Louis let
Speaker 2: him go. They got the best ten years out of him.
Speaker 2: Lucas in Virginia, Hi Lucas, what's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Hey Luke?
Speaker 2: Thank you Luke. Andy and Rhode Island, Hi Andy, Good.
Speaker 17: Morning, Dennis, what's up, Marvin and Fritzy Dan? I have
Speaker 17: two quick things if I want to lead with this,
Speaker 17: shame on that call yesterday for trying to invite himself
Speaker 17: to New Orleans. Even Fritzy can't invite himself over for dinner,
Speaker 17: So let's get that out.
Speaker 2: Of the way, okay.
Speaker 17: And second, I did want to do a quick statura
Speaker 17: the Day without a Rock theme, if that's possible.
Speaker 8: Right today marks.
Speaker 17: Kobe Bryant dropping eighty one eight of forty six from
Speaker 17: the field seven to thirteen from the three point lines
Speaker 17: to lead his Los Angeles Lakers over victory over the
Speaker 17: Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it's gonna be easy, but it's not
Speaker 2: when the pressure's on. Kobe had eighty one in the
Speaker 2: eighteen point went over the Raptors on this day sports history.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Paulie, what else do you have?
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty one, Fidel Castro ejected from a Winter League
Speaker 3: baseball game in Cuba after hitting a batter. He gave
Speaker 3: up baseball and became a politician.
Speaker 2: Oh, he became a dictator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to be friend. I guess at this juncture
Speaker 3: we can call it what it is. Nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 3: the NBA awarded franchises to Milwaukee and Phoenix. Bjorn Borg
Speaker 3: in eighty three retired from tennis. Five consecutive Wimbledon championships. Oh,
Speaker 3: this was a raucous halftime show Super Bowl x VIII
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: Very man killing it, boom killing in.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3: Minnesota's new NHL franchise, the Wild m hmm in two
Speaker 3: thousand and six. I love these Kobe Bryant wants there
Speaker 3: every couple of days. Lakers guard Kobe Bryant had eighty
Speaker 3: one points against the Raptors.
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty eight. When the NBA announced expansion franchises in
Speaker 2: Milwaukee and Phoenix, they had a coin toss for the
Speaker 2: rights to Luaus Sindor. The Phoenix Suns lost and they
Speaker 2: ended up with Neil Walk. Milwaukee got Leuaus Sindor. Let's see,
Speaker 2: had that work out? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Never never heard from either one of those again, yes, Hunt, is.
Speaker 9: There nothing that could have come up with for some
Speaker 9: of the significant Is that a coin toss that doesn't
Speaker 9: sit great with me?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 2: What's fair coin toss? Yeah, it's either heads or tails tone.
Speaker 11: Have all the plays line up and take foul shots.
Speaker 11: Don't ever mix the most fauchats that team gets them.
Speaker 2: Demarca's cousins on this day twenty eighteen, forty four, twenty
Speaker 2: four and ten. That was when he was with the Pelicans.
Speaker 2: On this date in twenty twenty four, Joe el Embiid
Speaker 2: scored seventy. Dang, this is a good day to score
Speaker 2: a lot of points. Kobe gets eighty one. That's your
Speaker 2: this day in sports history. Let's see final results of
Speaker 2: the poll question Seaton. Yeah, we got a couple.
Speaker 5: Of them up there.
Speaker 12: All right, Let's see most people want the Hall of
Speaker 12: Fame voting to be public?
Speaker 2: Is that about ninety two percent? Who could use a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring more?
Speaker 12: Nick Sirianni or Jalen Hurtz right now that is at
Speaker 12: fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: I want to revisit that topic tomorrow. Fifty to fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of all of these coaches, who needs a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: win more? And maybe you put in the players as well.
Speaker 2: You could have one hour where the coaches in one
Speaker 2: hour where you have the quarterbacks if you wanted to.
Speaker 2: Let's go around the room. What we learned on the
Speaker 2: program Todd, you learn anything today?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 9: I learn a lot of things, one of which was
Speaker 9: Ccsabat really like playing football back in the day, but
Speaker 9: he chose pitching over offensive line.
Speaker 5: No rock, no block, Seaton, no rock, no block, Marvin
Speaker 5: Joe Thomas to come to peer pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to wear the sleeveless uniforms.
Speaker 8: Paul.
Speaker 2: Would you learn today?
Speaker 4: Joe Thomas rampant vaseline user.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that. Nobody called him on it, and
Speaker 2: defensive players used it as well. Todd, what did I
Speaker 2: learn today?
Speaker 11: This is one of the more fun ones we've had
Speaker 11: in a while.
Speaker 9: Stephen sat in the nosebleed seats at the Yukon Dame
Speaker 9: last night and the guy near him actually had a
Speaker 9: bleeding nose, forcing him to leave the arena early.
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