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Speaker 2: Final Hour on this Wednesday. To be busy. Hall of

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Speaker 2: Famer Joe Thomas, Well, look at the conference championship games

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Speaker 2: coming up this weekend. He'll stop by. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Tom Verducci, Baseball Hall of Fame writer. There was one

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Speaker 2: voter who didn't vote for Eachiro. Should the ballot be

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Speaker 2: made public. We had CC Sabathia on. He said that

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Speaker 2: he couldn't get Eachiro out. Each Row hit three twenty

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Speaker 2: three against him with eight home runs. He also said

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Speaker 2: he couldn't get Evan Longoria out either. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: some guy. This isn't fair to do this to a

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Speaker 2: guy on the day, you know, day after he gets

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. Maddy Ramirez, Ramis Rameirez, Derek Jeter,

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Speaker 2: Mike Redman, Alex Castile. They patted five hundred against CC Sabathia.

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Speaker 2: He did get a lot of guys out though, but

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Speaker 2: as he said, there's always one or two guys where

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Speaker 2: you go, that guy dominated you. So we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Tom here coming up here in a moment. Phone calls

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Speaker 2: are welcome eight seven to seven three DP show email

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Speaker 2: heading to Maryland. Big ten Basketball on NBC Peacock. It's

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Speaker 2: always game time. Good morning though. If you're watching on Peacock,

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Speaker 2: around the country. Big game in the NBA, at least

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Speaker 2: for me tonight, Cabs in the Rockets, and you still

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Speaker 2: have some teams open for business, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints.

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Speaker 2: I expect the Jets job to be closed by the

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Speaker 2: end of the week, and maybe Mike McCarthy makes a

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Speaker 2: decision if he has the opportunity. The Jags reportedly are

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Speaker 2: looking at somebody with very very little coaching experience. Think

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Speaker 2: he's an offensive coordinator, maybe with Tampa Bay. But I

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Speaker 2: saw that yesterday, which was kind of surprising. The Saints, Raiders,

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Speaker 2: Raiders missed out on Ben Johnson, and who knows what

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys are doing. You got an update, Pauline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam Schefter and others reported the guy you just

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Speaker 3: mentioned for the Jaguars, gig Liam Cohen. He is staying

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Speaker 3: with the Buccaneers as their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: He's turning down being a head coach with the Jacks.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he was offered, but he said

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Speaker 3: he's taking himself out of the running for the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: head coaching gig to stay in Tampa on a new

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Speaker 3: contract that will place him amongst the highest paid coordinators

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I just haven't finished my work here yet, Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Did this worked out okay for him. Ben Johnson gets

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Speaker 2: introduced to the Chicago media. Oh, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: lot of fake laughter today, Paulie. They're gonna they want

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson to be charismatic and funny.

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Speaker 4: He's playing to a home craft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna say something like, man, it's time to

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Speaker 2: go to work.

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Speaker 5: Good one.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, coach, have you tried the pizza yet in

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Speaker 3: our para city?

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Speaker 2: A lot of fake laughter today, A lot of fake laughter.

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Speaker 2: Don't need to do that with Tom Berducci. He's very serious,

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Speaker 2: very serious, he joins us on loan from l at All.

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Speaker 2: Actually he's got a nice smile. You just you know,

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Speaker 2: Tom and great hairy, just not He's not done to

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Speaker 2: have the one liners that Ken Rosenthal has MLB Network,

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Speaker 2: Fox sports analysts and a senior writer for Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Tom, Good morning.

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Speaker 6: I don't know whether to compliment you on that intro

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Speaker 6: or crush you, but well done.

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Speaker 2: Your reaction to the Hall of Fame vote, Yeah, not surprising.

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Speaker 6: I actually had written my story before the announcement was made,

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Speaker 6: thinking would be these three. Wagner got in a little

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Speaker 6: last year, and each year a thing one person not

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Speaker 6: voting for them. Dan's not a big deal for me.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, put away the pitchforks and the torches. It

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Speaker 6: has no equation the worth of the player. Right, Marianna

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Speaker 6: Rivera is not the greatest player in baseball history.

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Speaker 7: Someone I would like to know the reason. Don't get

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Speaker 6: Someone must have a legitimate reason, I hope for leaving

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Speaker 6: But I don't get upset about it. No, it's not

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Speaker 7: I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 2: But should the ballot be made public?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Listen, we're into business and journalism. Business and transparency.

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Speaker 6: When we get that ballot, we're able to check a

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Speaker 6: always do right, But it is a choice, it's not

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Speaker 6: an obligation. I would have no problem with making it public.

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Speaker 6: I actually dan, I would prefer that it all be public.

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Speaker 6: But you cannot reveal your ballot until after the announcement

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Speaker 7: No, I don't want that.

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Speaker 6: I just want to hear the announcement when it's made

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Speaker 2: Frankly, well, that's what it is with the Heisman. They say,

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Speaker 2: and then I say, this is who I voted for

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Speaker 2: and why I voted for them. But I look, I'm

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Speaker 2: proud to have that opportunity, so I don't want to

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Speaker 2: hide from it. I would just be curious why this

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Speaker 2: voter didn't vote for each row like, what was it

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Speaker 2: that that bothered you? Or sometimes, as you know, voters

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard of that in the past.

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Speaker 6: It's tough to think that's in play this time, Dan,

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Speaker 6: this was not necessarily a really deep ballot where you're

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Speaker 6: to hold that against him, I don't, But I, like you,

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Speaker 6: I would like to know what it was. You know,

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Speaker 6: It's interesting he came up for the Japanese Baseball Hall

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Speaker 7: So I don't know, I don't know. What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Maybe bad that he left. Yeah, there you go, he didn't.

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Speaker 6: He didn't last long enough over there. I think he

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Speaker 2: Moving forward though, trying to look at starting pitchers and

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to handicap how do you quantify qualify

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Speaker 2: Let's get rid of the guys you know are already

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great question because you know, watching a

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Speaker 6: three thousand punch outs, two hundred and fifty wins.

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Speaker 7: That's kind of easy.

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Speaker 6: But those I don't want to say he's the last

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Speaker 6: you're starting to now I think see a really seismic

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Speaker 2: Here, right.

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Speaker 7: His peak actually was better than CC.

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Speaker 6: Sabathia's he just threw so many innings at nineteen twenty

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Speaker 6: a lot of these guys who had really really high

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Speaker 6: ten years, but didn't have the three thousand punchouts, three

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 6: That think they are going to come into play as

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Speaker 2: Okay, But is did Kurt Shilling come along on the

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Speaker 2: is on the ballot, now, is he a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 6: You know, if he takes down his social media account

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Speaker 7: I voted for him every year.

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Speaker 6: To me, he was Don Drysdale with a better postseason.

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Speaker 6: Kurt Shilling was a history changer. It's easy for me

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Speaker 6: to vote for guys who change history. C C changed history,

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Speaker 6: whether it was the stretch run with Milwaukee, all time

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Speaker 6: the MVP of the Alcs.

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Speaker 7: Shilling changed history.

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Speaker 6: We can think about games at the top of our

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Speaker 6: as a Hall of Famer, and he was tracking that

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Speaker 6: said the wrong things that didn't.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to factor into Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think it does, Dan. I think listen, I didn't agree

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Speaker 6: with what he said, but I vote on someone's playing.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't cheat the game. You got guys who

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Speaker 2: cheated the game, and we.

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Speaker 7: With Peds Dan.

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Speaker 6: It really affects how the game has played, the competitive

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Speaker 6: in sports is play fairly.

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Speaker 7: You hear it on the playground.

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Speaker 6: You here in Major League Baseball, don't create an uneven

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Speaker 6: playing field. What Hilling did as a player, I don't

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Speaker 6: see any evidence that, you know what his his political views,

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Speaker 7: So I'm with you on that. It's nothing to say

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Speaker 7: that you ignore it.

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Speaker 6: You can disagree with it as I do, but doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean you have to say, oh, therefore, I'm not voting

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Speaker 6: through the Hall of Fame. Very interesting to see what

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Speaker 6: happens now because he's off the writer's ballot. If a

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Speaker 6: said and put him in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. With the Dodgers and the

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Speaker 2: amount of my money that they're spending, they're not breaking

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Speaker 2: any rules. They're if that's my ownership, I'm thrilled that

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Speaker 2: they're they want to ensure we're going to have a

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Speaker 2: great team. Is there any recourse with Baseball of doing

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Speaker 2: anything about this in the future.

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Speaker 7: No, not now.

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Speaker 6: They're playing by the rules as you said. I mean,

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Speaker 6: they have a billion dollars in deferred money. But Gogenheim,

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Speaker 6: And I think you have to look at the fact too, Dan,

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Speaker 6: of the charts. Great, and if you want to go

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Speaker 6: to the postseason, you sign with the Dodgers. They deserve

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Speaker 7: Right, those are the advantage that they're operating with. Is

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Listen, we all love Goliath.

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Speaker 6: You're sitting here talking about the Chiefs every year and

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Speaker 7: It's good for the game.

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Speaker 6: But they're already are owners around the game who can't

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Speaker 7: That's the history of labor negotiating.

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Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Tom, you

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Speaker 2: got Daan, Thank you Tom Berducci MLB Network, Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: analyst senior writer for Sports Illustrated Jason in Arizona. Hi, Jason,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 9: Hi?

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: No, I just think Tom just butchered that question, like

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Speaker 10: is it back for baseball? Of course it's back for baseball.

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Speaker 10: There's no way that they should just be able to

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Speaker 10: there shouldn't be able to circumvent it by deferring all

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Speaker 10: that money, the biggest contract at the time in baseball history.

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Speaker 10: Just defer it all and now you can use all

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Speaker 10: no way you can tell me that Shohy and these

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Speaker 2: Well, sure, but you know baseball's allowed this until and

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Speaker 2: but if that's that's that's my ownership and they're spending money,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean I'm not. If you're a

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Speaker 2: a team like that. But this is what the Yankees did.

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Speaker 2: Yes network. I mean they created something that nobody else

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Speaker 3: Want to play Let's play the Dodgers payroll game. We

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: All right, So going into next season, what's the Dodgers payroll?

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Speaker 4: Yes, rejected payroll as of right now?

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Speaker 2: All right, Todd.

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Speaker 11: Four hundred and twenty seven million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you a hint.

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Speaker 3: A team like the Saint Louis Cardinals is at one

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Speaker 2: All right, seatan Dodgers payroll next year.

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Speaker 12: I'm gonna say it's almost exactly double what Paul just

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Speaker 12: said four hundred and was it? Would you say four

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Speaker 12: hundred and forty eight million, Yes, something like that. So

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Speaker 12: Todd said, I'm sorry, you said one hundred forty eight

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Speaker 4: Yes, one forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, that's what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 12: So you got so it would be double what the

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Speaker 2: Three twenty six, three twenty six. Marvin, three hundred and

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Speaker 2: twelve million. I'm gonna go three fifty eight five.

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Speaker 4: Three hundred and sixty nine million dollars for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In comparison, the Mets are at two ninety seven, Phillies

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is the lowest payroll in baseball.

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Speaker 4: Estimated for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's not Oakland because or Sacramento. Now they're actually spending

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Speaker 2: money ish.

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Speaker 4: They're at seventy four million, second to last.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so they're not last. Yes, Marvin, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Gonna go with the Marlins at thirty four million dollars.

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Speaker 4: It's the Marlins at sixty seven millions.

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Speaker 5: Thirty four Those are my Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, but every five years they win a World Series.

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Speaker 10: So I'm with see.

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Speaker 5: And I also have an issue with the playoff system

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Speaker 5: of the face if this is true. What I don't

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Speaker 5: think they have a division title. I don't think they've

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Speaker 5: I mean, two Super Bowls World Series championships. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: He's correct, you're fired up here over the Marlins.

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Speaker 5: So they get in with eighty four wins. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were kind of the Diamondbacks before the Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 2: This last Diamondback team that went to the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Just get in, Yes, But if.

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Speaker 3: You don't have things like this, you don't have the

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Speaker 2: Have wild card yeah, wild cards. I think the Packers

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of into that baseball wise.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm a peerst Well remember when they used

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Speaker 2: to just have one divisional Like you, you won your division,

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Speaker 2: you got to go to the World Series.

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Speaker 5: Oh I'm with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you just two teams at the end of

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Speaker 5: The two best teams in the National League in the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, Tom, And when the Dodgers and Braves playing

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Speaker 2: Well, the Dodgers, Braves and the Red National League West,

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Speaker 12: When you look at like these websites and they have

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Speaker 12: that like they're still paying out, like, oh, we signed

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Speaker 12: the active that goes in the.

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Speaker 2: Total payroll for this year.

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Speaker 12: I'm guessing active payroll is just well, these are the

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Speaker 2: Yes, it feels like that.

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Speaker 12: It feels like a significant amount of money that goes

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Speaker 3: Yes, would'd be great one time to be on inactive payroll.

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Speaker 12: The National's total payroll this year is seventy five point

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Speaker 2: That's almost twice as much all times. Did you see

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Speaker 2: He's a big Ohio State fan.

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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. Update the Pole results. Joe

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Speaker 2: Thomas is the only player in NFL history to play

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Speaker 2: in more than ten thousand consecutive plays without interruption or injury.

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Speaker 14: I'll allow you to call me the cal Ripken of

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Speaker 14: all of the NFL if that's what you want to do, Dan,

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Speaker 14: you can put the words in my mouth. I'm okay

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Speaker 14: with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But how many times were you aware this streak

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Speaker 14: I was, yeah, So it was probably like year six

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Speaker 14: And oh, by the way, I don't think anybody's done

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Speaker 2: But how many times did you go out there just

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Speaker 14: So I never actually willingly like said, oh I'm ready

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Speaker 14: But certainly towards the end, as as I was getting

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Speaker 14: I thought, you know what, Hey, if you know my

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Speaker 14: like a shoe gun tied, or like busted the chin strap,

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Speaker 14: or you know, something with an equipment malfunction happens.

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Speaker 2: I had a former college coach, well known college coach,

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Speaker 2: and he was talking about developing running backs because we

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Speaker 2: don't use them the way we once did. But maybe

444
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Speaker 2: there's a comeback with that with Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley,

445
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Speaker 2: but also developing offensive lineman. That the way the game

446
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Speaker 2: is played in college, that we're not developing offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: the way that we once did. Your thoughts on that

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Speaker 2: of what you see with offensive lineman now as to

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Speaker 2: you know when you were at Wisconsin.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a much more wide open game in college

451
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Speaker 14: and in high school especially, and I think because of that,

452
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Speaker 14: the guys on the offensive line are not really taught

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Speaker 14: the breadth of techniques that we were when I was

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Speaker 14: in college and when I was early in the NFL,

455
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Speaker 14: where you have to learn so many different ways of blocking.

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Speaker 14: You're blocking manned concepts, you're blocking double teams and gap schemes,

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Speaker 14: you're blocking inside zone, you're blocking outside zone. And then

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Speaker 14: also you have your drop back pass, you have your

459
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Speaker 14: three step, your five step, your seven step, your play action,

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Speaker 14: your boots. So you have this huge catalog of techniques

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Speaker 14: that you have to learn that they just don't do

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Speaker 14: that quite as much anymore, and they don't put as

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Speaker 14: much pressure on the offensive lineman, which is probably a

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Speaker 14: good thing because it takes a long time to learn

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Speaker 14: all these different techniques, but I think they've really dumbed

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Speaker 14: it down and at the high school and college level,

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Speaker 14: and so because of that, at the NFL, you see

468
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Speaker 14: guys that they've got great technique, they're stronger, they're faster,

469
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Speaker 14: they're more athletic than ever, but they don't have those

470
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Speaker 14: pro style catalog of techniques that they used to, and

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Speaker 14: so when you're asking them to do a bunch of

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Speaker 14: different stuff like NFL offenses, do they struggle in a

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Speaker 14: lot of different ways, because it just takes a lot

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Speaker 14: of time and a lot of reps to develop that.

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Speaker 14: And oh, by the way, we have less pre season time,

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Speaker 14: less contact time in the off season and through training camp,

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Speaker 14: and so you have less time to actually develop those

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Speaker 14: techniques that you need the most.

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Speaker 2: What is it about a couple of these tackles that

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Speaker 2: get off the ball like that, It feels like they're

481
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Speaker 2: moving before they're supposed to be moving. Lane Johnson kind

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Speaker 2: of mastered this, but are they like, is it illegal?

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Speaker 2: Should it be flagged?

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Speaker 14: No? I think the problem is for decades we were

485
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Speaker 14: used to seeing the ball snap, and then after the

486
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Speaker 14: ball is about almost between the center's legs, we see

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Speaker 14: the offensive line move, and defensive linemen we're moving at

488
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Speaker 14: a similar slow pace. Well, somewhere, I don't know, maybe

489
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Speaker 14: middle beginning of my career, defensive lineman realized, Hey, if

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Speaker 14: I can beat that offensive tackle off the snap and

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Speaker 14: get ahead of him, now he's playing catch up to me.

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Speaker 14: Now he's back on his heels, and then now I

493
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Speaker 14: can dictate whatever I want to do in my rush.

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Speaker 14: At the point of contact he's off balance. I can

495
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Speaker 14: either bull rush him or I can push pull him.

496
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Speaker 14: I can rip to the outside to the inside, but

497
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Speaker 14: I've got them right where I wanted. And so offensive

498
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Speaker 14: tackles started realizing, Hey, the secret to winning the REP

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Speaker 14: is to win the snap, and that's what we started emphasizing.

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Speaker 14: And so then you started hearing guys and seeing guys

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Speaker 14: anticipate when the snap was coming, and so when you

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Speaker 14: listen to a snapcount, which is really important from a quarterback.

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Speaker 14: I had a lot of quarterbacks twenty quarterbacks that I

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Speaker 14: applied for that were starters at Cleveland, and the first

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Speaker 14: thing that I would try to train these guys up

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Speaker 14: on is, all right, we need a rhythmic cadence so

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Speaker 14: that I can anticipate when you're going to call for

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Speaker 14: the ball and I can start the process of my

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Speaker 14: brain telling my body to move, which there's a little

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Speaker 14: bit of a lag time. It's not like the speed

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Speaker 14: of light, but it's pretty fast. But that little split

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Speaker 14: second of lag between when your brain says go and

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Speaker 14: your body goes is enough of a difference maker. That

514
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Speaker 14: is the determination of whether you win or lose the snap,

515
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Speaker 14: and whether you win or lose the REP in a

516
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Speaker 14: pass pro. And so I would actually tell myself, like

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Speaker 14: lane Johnson and all the tackles that you're seeing doing

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Speaker 14: a good job of it. I was telling my body

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Speaker 14: to go before the call from the quarterback, which made

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Speaker 14: the timing absolutely perfect. So if you actually look at it,

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Speaker 14: for a lot of these guys, the second the ball

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Speaker 14: just starts to move before the snap even really happens,

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Speaker 14: the tip of that football just starts moving. That's when

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Speaker 14: they're moving, and that's a perfect rep. And to the

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Speaker 14: naked eye, it probably looks like they're jumping and they're

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Speaker 14: fall starting until you slow it down on film and

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Speaker 14: you see, oh no, that was actually perfect because if

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Speaker 14: they don't do that, that's exactly when the defensive linemen

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Speaker 14: are moving.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but give me it. For instance, your quarterback line

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage, when do you know that ball is going

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Speaker 2: to be snapped? Because if he goes, say, you know,

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Speaker 2: green fifty seven set hut hut, like yeah.

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Speaker 14: So if it's on one, you'll hear the snap count.

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Speaker 14: It's actually like a rolling cadence. So we used to

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Speaker 14: do white aity, why eat he's not, so all those

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Speaker 14: things kind of roll together. So when I would hear

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Speaker 14: white aiti whye Eddy's set, I was actually going on

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Speaker 14: the set before the hut, which was actually the calling

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Speaker 14: for the football, and so you had to all so

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Speaker 14: stay on top of your center because if he was

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Speaker 14: trying to get a head start too. Now all of

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Speaker 14: a sudden, the ball is coming before the quarterback and

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Speaker 14: everybody else is ready. And so that's why it's really

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Speaker 14: important that the quarterback's cadence and how he rolls into

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Speaker 14: the hut and when the center is snapping the ball

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Speaker 14: is all perfectly in sync and perfectly the same from

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Speaker 14: one snap to the next, so that I can win

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Speaker 14: and the defensive lineman is a little bit behind.

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Speaker 2: Spend eleven seasons with the Cleveland Browns. Works for the

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Speaker 2: NFL Network, Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer, and you're working

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Speaker 2: with Colt. Explain what Colt is?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Colt Firearms. They have made the Safety Impact Award

554
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Speaker 14: to try to encourage safe and responsible firearm ownership. And myself,

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Speaker 14: Clay Matthews, guy went against a lot, probably thought I

556
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Speaker 14: was false starting quite a bit when he was playing

557
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Speaker 14: for the Packers. Adam Vinatieri and Fletcher Cox, we're all

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Speaker 14: trying to raise awareness for safe and responsible firearm ownership.

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Speaker 14: We've all selected a nonprofit charity Mine the Great Ducks Unlimited,

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Speaker 14: which fights for wetland restoration and clean water, clean air

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Speaker 14: throughout North America. And we're raising money for those organizations.

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Speaker 14: And all people have to do is go to Safety

563
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Speaker 14: Impact Award dot Com. They can vote for those organizations.

564
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Speaker 14: It's one dollar per vote, and then when you vote,

565
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Speaker 14: if there's a safety, which you get the little pun

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Speaker 14: there onwards. If there's a safety in the super Bowl,

567
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Speaker 14: people that voted for the winning charity have a chance

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Speaker 14: to win a portion of one hundred thousand dollars from Cordova.

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Speaker 14: So you get an opportunity to get a free prop

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Speaker 14: bet in the Super Bowl and get the cheer for

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Speaker 14: a safety, which is my wife's favorite play. So I'm

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Speaker 14: always cheering, happy wife, Happy life.

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Speaker 2: Give me the quarterback who would be the toughest to

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Speaker 2: block for?

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Speaker 14: So there's always this conversation. I just had this with

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Speaker 14: Lane Johnson a couple of weeks ago about would you

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Speaker 14: rather block for a quarterback that's mobile that you know,

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Speaker 14: if you get just flat out beat, like you just

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Speaker 14: fall in your face and the guy runs past you,

580
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Speaker 14: is able to make that guy miss and turn it?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 14: Chicken salad into you know or chicken you know what

583
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Speaker 14: and the chickens out, And or would you rather have

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Speaker 14: the guy like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who's

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Speaker 14: exactly in the right spot every time, He's not really

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Speaker 14: going to avoid anybody, but he's throwing that ball on time.

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Speaker 14: And for me, I always preferred the guy that was

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Speaker 14: in the right spot getting rid of the football on time,

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Speaker 14: because then I knew I could do my job right

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Speaker 14: no matter what. And like I always wanted the onus

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Speaker 14: to be on me to make sure that I did

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Speaker 14: my job the right way. And I don't really care

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Speaker 14: what the quarterback does, but if he's in that spot,

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Speaker 14: he's going to be protected. But some guys, they prefer

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Speaker 14: the guys that can get out and move, you know,

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Speaker 14: the Jayden Daniels that Jalen hurts. The guys that, hey,

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Speaker 14: you get beat and all of a sudden he's going

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Speaker 14: to make a great, amazing play and convert a first down.

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Speaker 14: And then all of a sudden, instead of the coach

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Speaker 14: putting you in a headlock and giving you a nuggie

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Speaker 14: on the sideline, he's patting you on the back and say, ah,

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Speaker 14: it's okay, you'll get him next time, buddy.

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Speaker 2: But Mahomes is not like Jayden Daniels or Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: He's or even Jalen Hurts like. He's just unique because

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Speaker 2: I always call him an opportunisticquarterback. He's an opportunist. I'm

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Speaker 2: not there's no design runs, but if there is a run,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be taking advantage of that. But then

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Speaker 2: we also get to this point where is he flaunting

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Speaker 2: the protecting the quarterback when he's out of the pocket.

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Speaker 2: If you were the NFL, would you make any tweaks

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Speaker 2: to that rule next season?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely?

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Speaker 14: And I have been banging this drum for a while

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Speaker 14: because I do not blame Josh Allen because he does

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Speaker 14: it a lot too. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes. I

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Speaker 14: just think that's they're doing a good job of utilizing that.

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Speaker 14: The way the game is officiated right now, however, the

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Speaker 14: NFL absolutely has to make a change with how they

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Speaker 14: officiate the roughing the passer, with how they officiate the

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Speaker 14: giving yourself up to slide for quarterbacks, how they officiate

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Speaker 14: guys at quarterback like Patrick Mahomes did last weekend, where

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Speaker 14: they look like they're about to go out of bounds

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Speaker 14: and then they stop and then the defense hits them

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Speaker 14: and then they fly out of bounds. And I don't

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Speaker 14: even necessarily blame the quarterbacks or the officials in this case.

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Speaker 14: It's just how it's being officiated, because if you look

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Speaker 14: at the rule, they're saying that when a quarterback starts

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Speaker 14: to slide, that's where the ball should be placed down.

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Speaker 14: So the moment he starts to slide, that's where he's down.

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Speaker 14: And it was a way of a quarterback being able

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Speaker 14: to give themselves up when they're in open field without

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Speaker 14: getting hit at all. And it was supposed to happen

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Speaker 14: way before contact was ever made. But because officials were

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Speaker 14: placing the ball like in the middle of when they

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Speaker 14: started their slide, they were giving him these extra yardage

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Speaker 14: after they had started sliding. And because of that, now

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Speaker 14: you see quarterbacks doing these late slides. They're trying to

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Speaker 14: get as close to a defensive lineman as they can

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Speaker 14: and then maybe it look like they're going to slide

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Speaker 14: and then keep going, and it puts defenders in tremendous

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Speaker 14: conflict because you don't know what the intentions of the

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Speaker 14: quarterback is, and the intentions should be very clear by

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Speaker 14: the letter of the law and the letter of the

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Speaker 14: rule from the NFL. They should be able to understand

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Speaker 14: well in advance from a defensive standpoint, if that quarterback

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Speaker 14: is giving themselves up or and the fact that it's

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Speaker 14: not happening and we're getting late slides, we're getting fake slides.

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Speaker 14: We're getting quarterbacks that pretend like they're going out of

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Speaker 14: bounds and then they don't. It's actually become a very

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Speaker 14: dangerous play. We saw that with Trevor Lawrence earlier in

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Speaker 14: the season. Now his wasn't quite as late. But because

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Speaker 14: of this difficult quandary that we're putting the defenders in,

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Speaker 14: whether they don't know what the quarterback is doing, and

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Speaker 14: then if they don't make a play on the quarterback,

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Speaker 14: they don't try to tackle them. Now they're a meme

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Speaker 14: on social media for being a bozo and not trying

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Speaker 14: to hit the quarterback and just standing there, and you know,

658
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Speaker 14: you have all these issues of not knowing what's happening.

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Speaker 14: And so I think for the safety of the quarterbacks,

660
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Speaker 14: which is I think in everybody's best in just of course,

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Speaker 14: we want to see Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen go

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Speaker 14: at it this weekend. We don't want to see those

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Speaker 14: two backups like we want to keep them healthy. But

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Speaker 14: it needs to be officiated differently, and there needs to

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Speaker 14: be some type of penalty, maybe like they did in

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Speaker 14: the NBA with the flopping and stuff against a quarterback

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Speaker 14: who's not clearly giving himself up well before he gets

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Speaker 14: anywhere near making contact with a defender.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think you were really intimidating anybody if

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Speaker 2: in cold weather you went out there with short sleeves on.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 14: No, it was definitely a peer pressure thing. There was

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Speaker 14: an ego thing that came from a long, long time ago.

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Speaker 14: But the one thing I will say to people that

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Speaker 14: you know are always impressed because you always hear the

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Speaker 14: announcers the linemen are wearing sleeves.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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Speaker 14: I actually felt that not wearing sleeves was warmer because

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Speaker 14: when you wear sleeves, when you get sweaty, which inevitably

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Speaker 14: you will, now that material has got water on it,

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Speaker 14: sweat on it, and it's going to evaporate and make

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Speaker 14: your arms colder. And so what we would do, and

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Speaker 14: I'm sure they still do it, is if you wore

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Speaker 14: bare arms, you put vasileene, which helps cut the wind.

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Speaker 14: It helps cut any of that evaporation that's going to happen,

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Speaker 14: and then don't forget.

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Speaker 2: Is that legal?

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Speaker 14: Far as I know, I never got a flag for it,

689
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Speaker 14: I never got fined for it, so I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 14: it's legal. Defenders would do it too. But I think

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Speaker 14: the thing that we need to remember too is like

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Speaker 14: underneath that shoulder pad and jersey that you're wearing, you're

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Speaker 14: wearing like a wetsuit, like you're wearing the warmest possible

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Speaker 14: thing on planet Earth. You've got a wool patch stitched

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Speaker 14: up into your helmet that covers your ears. The sidelines

696
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Speaker 14: have these giant jet blow torches that like they're so

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Speaker 14: hot you can't even get near him, or I've melted

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Speaker 14: my shoes before, so it is plenty warm for those players.

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Speaker 14: We do not have to feel sorry for those guys

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Speaker 14: whatsoever on a cold day. Feel bad for the officials

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Speaker 14: that don't get to go over there, maybe, or the

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Speaker 14: people that are working the sidelines, are the fans, certainly

703
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Speaker 14: you don't have any of those heaters, but the players,

704
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Speaker 14: they're just fine guys.

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Speaker 2: He's Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer and hundred and sixty

706
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Speaker 2: three consecutive snaps without injury or interruption. See, you can't

707
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Speaker 2: like if you're sick around the house with your wife,

708
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Speaker 2: like she'll be like, oh, mister consecutive snaps streak is

709
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Speaker 2: not going to be able to help us take out

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Speaker 2: the garbage.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it works good with my four kids because I'm like, hey, kids,

712
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Speaker 14: all right, you can get up, you can go to school.

713
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Speaker 14: You're just fine, you know, Okay, I'm sorry you hurt

714
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Speaker 14: your shoulder. You know what, I played ten and a

715
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Speaker 14: halfs in the NFL without missing a nap. I think

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Speaker 14: you guys can suck it up for one basketball.

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Speaker 2: Now once again. You can go to Safety Impactaward dot

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Speaker 2: com for more on what Colt is doing the Safety

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Speaker 2: Impact Award. Great to talk to you again, Joe, thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks for having me on Dan. If you guys

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Speaker 14: want to go to my social media Joe Thomas seventy three,

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Speaker 14: you can also find that link on my Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 2: All righty, we take a break, last call for phone calls.

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Speaker 2: What we learn, what's in store tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition

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Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern

728
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Speaker 1: six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Show flew by to day, Tomorrow's Thursday already? Now, how

730
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: does this happen? Here's yeah, it's crazy. Time flies. We

731
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Speaker 2: probably had more fun on this show in the last

732
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Speaker 2: eight months than I think we ever have as far

733
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Speaker 2: as content goes, guests. Everything just kind of fell into

734
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Speaker 2: a comfort zone that's different than it has been before.

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Speaker 2: You guys feel then, absolutely, Thank you, Tod.

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Speaker 11: That's the question as well.

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Speaker 2: No, you could have said no. I mean I would

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Speaker 2: have been fine if you said, you know what, back

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Speaker 2: in you know, twenty fourteen, I thought we had a

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Speaker 2: six month stretch. It was better than this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that was that was my honest assessment.

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Speaker 2: That's uh, Marvin, what do you think?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I agree completely?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Mark. It's much for your converse, yes, all, you.

746
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Speaker 3: Know, it's when it's flowing, it's fun, when it's just

747
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Speaker 3: a conversation.

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Speaker 4: You just it.

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Speaker 2: Works, It works, It works just I don't know, they're

750
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Speaker 2: just weeks that go by or days that go by

751
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Speaker 2: just so quick, and I think having fun with it,

752
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Speaker 2: but having a lot of things to talk about, a

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Speaker 2: lot of topics.

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Speaker 11: Very perceptive.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tod. You're such a suck up.

756
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Speaker 11: Was not what was?

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything. You're better than that, not much.

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Speaker 2: Curtis in Illinois, Hi, Curtis, it's on your mind morn

759
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Speaker 2: in DP. Hey missed all of hour two.

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Speaker 15: Spending the time at the dentist with my daughter. So

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Speaker 15: at what point is the cutoff between having to just

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Speaker 15: extract a tooth for like a hundie or if you're

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Speaker 15: talking like thousands of dollars for a specialist root canal

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Speaker 15: for your kid. But then also I got an idea

765
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Speaker 15: on how to prevent Patrick Mahomes from the skirt And

766
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Speaker 15: the rule for the fly down is you can't slide

767
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Speaker 15: for a first down and you either have to do

768
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Speaker 15: it well before or well after, and you know, make

769
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Speaker 15: it the onus on the quarterback to slide five yards

770
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Speaker 15: away from a defender. So there's never a question about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to be. It'll certainly be

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Speaker 2: addressed in the off season, and I think it's got

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Speaker 2: to be changed in the off season. If the goal

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Speaker 2: was to protect the quarterback, then you need to have

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Speaker 2: the quarterback help protect himself. It can't be up to

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Speaker 2: the official, not all the time. At some point you

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Speaker 2: got to be I think fair to the situation because

778
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Speaker 2: somebody's going to get blasted one of these days, and

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to have any sympathy for you.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Sam, And Saint Louis, Hi, Sam, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Dan, five eleven, two ten, and my dog tyus. He's

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Speaker 16: a big fan of the Penny's Bang biscuits. But I

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Speaker 16: had a quick in er out for you guys for

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Speaker 16: two future Hall of Famers. The first one, the next

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Speaker 16: unanimous Hall of Famer will be our pools.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to look at it, but uh I, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I can't sit here and go, of course, because I

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Speaker 2: didn't think Mariano Rivera would be unanimous, but I thought

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Speaker 2: Derek Jeter would be.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, we were back here discussing this, and I

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Speaker 5: don't think so unanimous. I think he probably gets ninety

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Speaker 5: the Angels years, but the first ten years as good

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Speaker 5: as you ever see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean, that's why Saint Louis let

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Speaker 2: him go. They got the best ten years out of him.

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Speaker 2: Lucas in Virginia, Hi Lucas, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: Hey Luke?

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Speaker 2: Thank you Luke. Andy and Rhode Island, Hi Andy, Good.

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Speaker 17: Morning, Dennis, what's up, Marvin and Fritzy Dan? I have

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Speaker 17: two quick things if I want to lead with this,

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Speaker 17: shame on that call yesterday for trying to invite himself

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Speaker 17: to New Orleans. Even Fritzy can't invite himself over for dinner,

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Speaker 17: So let's get that out.

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Speaker 2: Of the way, okay.

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Speaker 17: And second, I did want to do a quick statura

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Speaker 17: the Day without a Rock theme, if that's possible.

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Speaker 8: Right today marks.

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Speaker 17: Kobe Bryant dropping eighty one eight of forty six from

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Speaker 17: the field seven to thirteen from the three point lines

812
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Speaker 17: to lead his Los Angeles Lakers over victory over the

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Speaker 17: Toronto Raptors.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it's gonna be easy, but it's not

816
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Speaker 2: when the pressure's on. Kobe had eighty one in the

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Speaker 2: eighteen point went over the Raptors on this day sports history.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Paulie, what else do you have?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty one, Fidel Castro ejected from a Winter League

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Speaker 3: baseball game in Cuba after hitting a batter. He gave

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Speaker 3: up baseball and became a politician.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he became a dictator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to be friend. I guess at this juncture

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Speaker 3: we can call it what it is. Nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 3: the NBA awarded franchises to Milwaukee and Phoenix. Bjorn Borg

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Speaker 3: in eighty three retired from tennis. Five consecutive Wimbledon championships. Oh,

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Speaker 3: this was a raucous halftime show Super Bowl x VIII

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: Very man killing it, boom killing in.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota's new NHL franchise, the Wild m hmm in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six. I love these Kobe Bryant wants there

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Speaker 3: every couple of days. Lakers guard Kobe Bryant had eighty

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Speaker 3: one points against the Raptors.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty eight. When the NBA announced expansion franchises in

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee and Phoenix, they had a coin toss for the

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Speaker 2: rights to Luaus Sindor. The Phoenix Suns lost and they

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Speaker 2: ended up with Neil Walk. Milwaukee got Leuaus Sindor. Let's see,

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Speaker 2: had that work out? I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Never never heard from either one of those again, yes, Hunt, is.

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Speaker 9: There nothing that could have come up with for some

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Speaker 9: of the significant Is that a coin toss that doesn't

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Speaker 9: sit great with me?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 2: What's fair coin toss? Yeah, it's either heads or tails tone.

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Speaker 11: Have all the plays line up and take foul shots.

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Speaker 11: Don't ever mix the most fauchats that team gets them.

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Speaker 2: Demarca's cousins on this day twenty eighteen, forty four, twenty

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Speaker 2: four and ten. That was when he was with the Pelicans.

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Speaker 2: On this date in twenty twenty four, Joe el Embiid

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Speaker 2: scored seventy. Dang, this is a good day to score

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Speaker 2: a lot of points. Kobe gets eighty one. That's your

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Speaker 2: this day in sports history. Let's see final results of

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Speaker 2: the poll question Seaton. Yeah, we got a couple.

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Speaker 5: Of them up there.

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Speaker 12: All right, Let's see most people want the Hall of

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Speaker 12: Fame voting to be public?

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Speaker 2: Is that about ninety two percent? Who could use a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl ring more?

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Speaker 12: Nick Sirianni or Jalen Hurtz right now that is at

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Speaker 12: fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: I want to revisit that topic tomorrow. Fifty to fifty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of all of these coaches, who needs a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: win more? And maybe you put in the players as well.

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Speaker 2: You could have one hour where the coaches in one

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Speaker 2: hour where you have the quarterbacks if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the room. What we learned on the

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Speaker 2: program Todd, you learn anything today?

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 9: I learn a lot of things, one of which was

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Speaker 9: Ccsabat really like playing football back in the day, but

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Speaker 9: he chose pitching over offensive line.

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Speaker 5: No rock, no block, Seaton, no rock, no block, Marvin

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Speaker 5: Joe Thomas to come to peer pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to wear the sleeveless uniforms.

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Speaker 8: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Would you learn today?

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Speaker 4: Joe Thomas rampant vaseline user.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that. Nobody called him on it, and

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Speaker 2: defensive players used it as well. Todd, what did I

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Speaker 2: learn today?

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Speaker 11: This is one of the more fun ones we've had

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Speaker 11: in a while.

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Speaker 9: Stephen sat in the nosebleed seats at the Yukon Dame

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Speaker 9: last night and the guy near him actually had a

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Speaker 9: bleeding nose, forcing him to leave the arena early.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, better get Mako. Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets,

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Speaker 2: the all around support for all of us here. We'll

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Speaker 2: do better tomorrow if we can