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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants, get out on the Giants bubbling, give

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Speaker 1: me some jump part of the Giants podcast network. Let's

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Speaker 1: roll all right.

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Speaker 2: Now, we're joined by the man that we're seventy two

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Speaker 2: on the field and number thirty two on the Giants

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Speaker 2: Top one hundred plus. He is OC, youman, Euro the

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Speaker 2: king of the sack strip. And that's where I want

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Speaker 2: to start first, because I think the last thing image

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Speaker 2: most Giant fans have of VOC is coming in blinds

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Speaker 2: out of a quarterback, getting your hand in there. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not even touching the quarterback, just knocking the ball away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how'd you do that?

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Speaker 1: I'm want to give it simple out.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, coach Mike Waffle was a defensive lind.

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Speaker 1: Coach Marine right love Waff and he was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what.

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Speaker 4: We'll see as opposed to sacking the quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you knock the ball out of counts as a

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Speaker 4: sack and a force full. It's like, okay, well I

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Speaker 4: a sack, still not you know, force a turnover and

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Speaker 4: it's still a great player and said, I might, I

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Speaker 4: might as well go and try and do that. And

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Speaker 4: then what I realized was a lot of times when

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Speaker 4: I'd come around the edge, it just hopped the corner

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Speaker 4: when the ball was about to come up, I just

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Speaker 4: put my hand out. And I still don't understand how

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Speaker 4: I did it, But you know, it was really good

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Speaker 4: for the team.

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Speaker 1: Ten in one season, which is still tied for the

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Speaker 1: old time NFL record. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I got to ask you something entirely different though, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because you know you guys we called it the NASCAR package, right,

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Speaker 1: and it was you and Stray and Tuck, and you

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Speaker 1: guys had such a rhythm, such an intimidating presence on

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Speaker 1: the field. How much trash talk? I never asked you this.

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Speaker 1: How much trash talk did you guys give to those

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Speaker 4: You know what, Paul, The truth is that trash talk

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Speaker 4: was really between me, Strahan and Tuck amongst ourselves. It

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Speaker 4: really we didn't have enough time to talk to the

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Speaker 4: It really was an incredible time. And a lot of

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Speaker 4: remember specifically every single day we were so happy to

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Speaker 4: just to be able to work and you're still smiling. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it really was an incredible time, man. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I wish everybody gets it that. I mean, you guys look

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Speaker 4: Of course, I think everybody needs to experience that.

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Speaker 2: How did Tom Coughlin help bring your group together to

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Speaker 4: He was an incredible coach, best coach I've ever been around,

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Speaker 4: we knew it came from a good place. He wasn't

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Speaker 4: He just believed in what he believed in and you

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Speaker 1: You know, I heard Winston Justice was in the area,

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Speaker 1: the six sacks against the Philadelphia Eagles. What you knew

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel bad for him. I think now across

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Speaker 4: It was just one of those incredible days, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you about Super Bowl forty two,

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Speaker 4: Down, well, not shut them down. I'll be lying if

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Speaker 1: But they did score a lot of points in that day.

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Speaker 4: They scored a lot of points in that game, but

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Speaker 4: we didn't play anything like Spacks came in. He was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And thankfully we did.

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Speaker 1: All right, So now I gotta take you back a

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Speaker 1: and you played nose guard there for a while. Now,

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Speaker 1: explain something to me. Why would anybody want you one

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Speaker 3: Why why did they have you with nose guard?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So coming out of coming out of high school,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna put you at end. Good idea. Those are

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Speaker 2: Last one for me. I want to ask you about

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Speaker 2: what you're doing now. You're helping bring this game international.

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Speaker 2: they're kicking off the game in South America.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if I would to ask you and you were.

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Speaker 2: Playing they were playing a game in Brazil, you'd have

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So remember in two thousand and seven when we

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Speaker 4: And I believe that the NFL has said that they

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Speaker 4: And I think it's been an incredible thing for the

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Speaker 1: My final question is one I asked one of you

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Speaker 1: you come to the Giants, her are your courses. Having

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Speaker 1: earlier in your career. They wanted it on see you

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Speaker 4: Career you had here? Completely different? And I think about

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Speaker 4: I know for a fact that if I wasn't around

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Speaker 4: it's just luck. It's just down to sheer luck. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just so happy to have been a part of it.

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Speaker 4: And the blood's still blue. It's still blue for sure.

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Speaker 2: One of the best player development story I think of

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Speaker 2: all time. At a Troy not a first round pick

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Speaker 2: but turned out to be one of the greatest players

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Speaker 1: Oh see, thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: Man, this is great.

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Speaker 1: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Bud citizens.

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Speaker 2: Keith Hamilton, one of the fiercest defensive linemen in the

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Speaker 2: history of the Giants, franchise number sixty eight on the

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Speaker 1: What's going on, man?

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Speaker 3: Good to see you, Good to see you guys. Good

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Speaker 3: to be Are you having fun? Tight? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yes, you just got here so I haven't seen some

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Speaker 5: of the guys. But this is my guy right here.

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Speaker 5: So you know, if he asked me to come through

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Speaker 5: an interview, I'm gonna be right here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got a question, did he Did he ever

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Speaker 2: give you a hard time in the locker after the

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Speaker 1: Or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Never.

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Speaker 1: Never, That's surprising, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: He was so like it was just like he was

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Speaker 5: a regular guy, and I was a regular guy. That's

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Speaker 5: what I considered myself when he came talked to me.

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Speaker 5: It was it was just like, you know, good friends,

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Speaker 1: I tried, Paul, I failed though. No, Hey, I get you,

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Speaker 1: I get you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't remember because early in

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Speaker 1: dirty work is right, and yet somehow you exceled at

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Speaker 1: that for so long?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question, that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I know that like my third year I had you know,

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Speaker 5: my rookie year had like three sacks, and then my second.

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Speaker 3: Year double digits. Yeah, I had like eleven and a

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Speaker 5: And then they just said you're going down inside, and

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Speaker 5: I was like, that's a that's a big change from

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Speaker 3: You at all time, you know. So it was a

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Speaker 5: But uh, about my maybe my fourth or fifth year,

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Speaker 5: I got I got the hang of it, and then

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Speaker 5: I you know, you know, you're not running from here

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Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: O Kaid, what would you consider the greatest game you

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I had a couple of sacks.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but if I look back on the game,

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Speaker 5: we lost the game, but it was a super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why do you choose that game?

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Speaker 5: I'm curious I choose it because when I look back

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Speaker 5: at the game, I had like fifteen tackles, six or

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Speaker 5: seven hits on the quarterback, and you know we had

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Speaker 5: we had that call which was terrible. I mean a

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Speaker 2: But uh, they can't find you anymore for saying it,

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Speaker 2: So it's okay. And defensive holding it was not there.

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Speaker 3: Terrible, terrible.

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Speaker 5: I think you could jam a guy five yards off

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Speaker 5: the absolutely So what you know, I got a quarterback

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Speaker 5: I just can't pull him tagging.

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Speaker 3: I mean that that was a big momentum change right.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm stead run back of pick shakes and then

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Speaker 1: they flagged it back. Yeah, I think I think had

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Speaker 1: that play gone into the books like it should have.

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Speaker 4: It could have been a much different game.

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, absolutely after that, you know, it was a

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Speaker 5: couple couple of plays that I remember back, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean it was. But my total

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Speaker 5: game it was. You know, I've had games I had

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Speaker 5: two or three sacks in the game or something like that,

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Speaker 5: but I don't. I didn't think that it was the

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Speaker 1: But you know what hammer that game against the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: I get it. You know the team didn't win it,

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Speaker 1: but before that, you crushed the Vikings, who had one

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Speaker 3: How do you do that? That was a Dome team.

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Speaker 3: They weren't ready to come in here and they call

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Speaker 3: they sure warn't.

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Speaker 5: They won't. They won't build, they won't build like that.

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Speaker 5: About second third quarter, they was ready to go home.

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Speaker 5: You know, you could tell when you're playing a guy,

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Speaker 5: you get him down here in his cold it's whipping

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Speaker 5: he ready to go home. And they were ready to

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Speaker 5: go home by the second third one.

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Speaker 1: You guys had dogs yourself, Jesse Armstead, Mike Barrow, you

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Speaker 3: Straight Hand was a dog too.

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Speaker 1: All right, So tell me in your mind what to

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Speaker 4: A Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: You like, we had a core group that it was me,

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Speaker 5: Jesse and straight Hand, and but we had other good, good,

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Speaker 5: good players too. But I remember playing games in Phoenix, Arizona. Humph,

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Speaker 5: we go one hundred five plays. We would play one

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Speaker 5: took you know how they switched people now, you know

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Speaker 5: they got to rotating me in run run, rotating for

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Speaker 5: past me and straight Haad never came up the game

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Speaker 5: unless we was hurt. And that straight Ham was a

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Speaker 5: dog too. You know he talks to you know, the

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Speaker 5: good professional talk, but he was a dog. Yeah, he'll

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Speaker 5: get it mad. He just might bite you with a smile.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you that he was a tough man.

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Speaker 5: Tough man you.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned and then you'll messed Jesse Armstead too.

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Speaker 2: Why why don't you tell us what made him special

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Speaker 3: Because he knew.

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Speaker 5: What made him special was that he knew what everybody

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Speaker 5: straight up here up front. I got everything. I said, yes,

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Speaker 3: And that's what you really. He was a dog.

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Speaker 5: He had a dog side to him, but he was smart.

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Speaker 5: He was never out of place. I don't I don't

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Speaker 5: catching balls. I said, cl on, jay, I got it

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Speaker 5: up here, you take it, you take care of it

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Speaker 3: Had some we had dogs on that defense. Oh, there's no.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 1: And you played on the grass trays of mud. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: You get out. That ant a big deal. When you

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Speaker 1: People keep saying they, oh, they want to bring your

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Speaker 3: It didn't work out so well, right, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: You guys didn't like that stuff.

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Speaker 5: No, man, But you had a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what it was about. This much so you

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Speaker 5: And I'm just waiting to see some of the more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and keep uh, We'll let you go. I want

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Speaker 2: Jesse one last question. Yes, what it means to you

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Speaker 3: Man? It really made me feel real good.

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Speaker 5: You know, everybody wants a big knowledge, you know, I

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Speaker 3: What you do. You want a big knowledge for what

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Speaker 5: You know, And like we were talking before, you know,

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Speaker 5: numbers are just numbers, you know, because I know what

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Speaker 5: I did and can't nobody take that away.

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Speaker 1: My final question is kind of a simple one, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many guys on the top one

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Speaker 1: to be There are only lifetime giants. You never put

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Speaker 1: There have been a lifetime giant.

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Speaker 5: It means a lot to me because they were loyal

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Speaker 5: to me. But I was loyal to them, you know,

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Speaker 5: and it was time games. I shouldn't have played because

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Speaker 1: One year, this guy had ten sacks as a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they have a Super Bowl year. Yeah yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: Hammer great stuff, Thanks so much. Enjoyed the weekend, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Bud, appreciate it.