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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show that tells you everything

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Speaker 1: you don't know about the very worst people in all

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Speaker 1: of history. Now, this is part two of our epic

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Speaker 1: three part series on l Ron Hubbard. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to part one, I recommend doing that now for

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Speaker 1: those of you who are back for part two, you're

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Speaker 1: but we are recording them all in one terrible marathon

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Speaker 1: So that should be really exciting for all you people.

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Speaker 1: And then the third episode, we won't even be human beings,

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Speaker 1: will just be shattered remnants of souls hanging on to

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Speaker 1: do this. So people regularly message me on Twitter to

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Speaker 1: just shitty people like Ben Shapiro or Rand Paul or

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Speaker 1: him is a shitty person. That's public knowledge. I like

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Speaker 1: about we. We ended the last episode with the establishment

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Speaker 1: for a little while. L Ron Hubbard avoided letting that

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Speaker 1: how of how he fought against falling into obscurity. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you want to become a guru and then transmit

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Speaker 1: Because el Ron Hubbard is the Master. Well there's that.

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Speaker 1: That's why that movie is called The Master. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: within two months of publishing Dionetics, more than five different

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Speaker 1: and I just ate a couple of white cheddar organic derritos. Delicious.

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Speaker 1: a decades long pattern of state and national agencies investigating

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Speaker 1: el Ron Hubbard's activities. They accused his facility and Elizabeth

427
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: of teaching medicine without a license, and they brought a

428
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Speaker 1: suit against him. In response, Hubbard closed up shop because

429
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: he knew he was going to lose any sort of

430
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: legal battle because he was teaching medicine without a license,

431
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: And they left New Jersey. Everything he owned was shoved

432
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: into the back of a black limousine and they drove

433
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. Oddly enough, Greg Hemingway, youngest son of

434
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Speaker 1: Ernest Hemingway, was one of the dianeticists who packed el

435
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard stuff. Greg It's weird because Ernest Hemingway sounds

436
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: like an author name, like it just has that, probably

437
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: because of his way, but it still has greg Like

438
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: as a father, you're really sabotaging your kid from flowing

439
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: in your footsteps. Gregory. I mean, you need more than

440
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: one syllabley, even Gregory. I'd never read a book from Gregory.

441
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: That's such an untrustworthy name. No, I mean I wouldn't. Michael,

442
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: there's a book name. Oh, come on, that's just too generic.

443
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: Sorry for all you Michael's out there. You want a

444
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: generic first name and an exciting last name like Michael Crichton.

445
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: Michael Crichton. There you go, exactly the most trustworthy writer, Yes,

446
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: in history. He didn't turn out to be crazy or anything.

447
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: You know what, I'll forgive everything he did after Jurassic

448
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: Park because of Jurassic Park. You and I are on

449
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: the same page. But yeah, that was a not as

450
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: bad at ascent as this cheesy sci fi author, but

451
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: pretty rough. In case you don't know, Michael Crichton spent

452
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: his later years writing a whole book about how global

453
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: warming was a lie, and also writing one of the

454
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Speaker 1: critics who badly reviewed his books into one of his

455
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Speaker 1: novels as a pedophile and describing the critics small penis

456
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: Michael Crichton classy fella. Oh boy. Okay, So the marriage

457
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: of el Ron Hubbard and Sarah Northrop fell apart as

458
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: he was fleeing New Jersey. He knew that there was

459
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: going to be a divorce, and since he was now

460
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: quite wealthy, there was a lot of money at stake

461
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: in order to secure more favorable divorce terms. What do

462
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: you think Elron Hubbard did in order to ensure that

463
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: he would have the upper hand in the coming divorce battle. Well,

464
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: he's not known for lying, so I don't imagine he

465
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: did anything dishonest. So I would guess that, you know,

466
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: he just parted with half of his money and assets

467
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: um amicably. No. Oh shoot, fun fact, he kidnapped his

468
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: daughter Alexis and took her to Cuba. Yes, I remember

469
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: this clear. Well, he didn't immediately take her to Cuba. First,

470
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: he kidnapped her and paid a random nurse to take

471
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: care of her for a month, and then kidnapped his wife.

472
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Speaker 1: Once the baby was already taking care of He and

473
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Speaker 1: two of us fall where kidnapped his wife physically forced

474
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Speaker 1: her into the vehicle. According to bare Face Messiah, they

475
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: grabbed her by each arm, one of them clamped a

476
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: hand over her mouth, and they bustled her out of

477
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: the house across the sidewalking into the back of the car,

478
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: which drove off as speed. Sarah fought like a cat

479
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: in the back of the car, screaming and shouting at Hubbard,

480
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: who in turn was shouting at her. At one point,

481
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: when the car stopped at traffic lights, she tried to

482
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: releap out, and thereafter Hubbard gripped her around the neck

483
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: in a stranglehold while the argument continued. Yeah, okay, feminist

484
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: icon run over kidnapped his wife. This is why I

485
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: say it's shocking that I can't find any evidence of

486
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: him being like a child molester, because it's like she

487
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: really seems like he would have been molesting some kids.

488
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: Like But okay, like I said, still a piece of ships,

489
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: Still a monster. So once his wife was subdued in

490
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: the back of the car, they drove to San Bernardino

491
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: to try and find a midnight doctor who would declare

492
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Sarah legally insane. Unfortunately, and kind of shockingly, he couldn't

493
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Speaker 1: find one, which I think you probably would be able

494
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: to into doctor willing to do that in l A. Now, yeah,

495
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: if you had l Ron Hubbard money, right, apparently you

496
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: couldn't back then, all right, that's encouraged, so Kudo's nineteen

497
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: fifties San Bernardino psychiatrists. You get a clear pass from

498
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: behind the bastards. Eventually, he promised to tell his wife

499
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: where she could find their daughter if she signed a

500
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: piece of paper claiming he hadn't abducted her. Just then, Wow,

501
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: this guy, I'm starting to like him. It's just so consistent,

502
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: like it's just so shockingly consistently terrible. I'll tell you

503
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: where our kidnapped daughter is if you agree not to

504
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: tell anyone that I just kidnapped you and strangled you

505
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: and trying to declare you insane. I mean, I gotta

506
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: say strangling probably wouldn't got him in a much trouble, probably,

507
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: and it didn't. He let her go after she signed

508
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: a paper, But when she went to go find their baby,

509
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: Hubbard had already had the child moved. In fact, he'd

510
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: hired a couple who were against strangers to drive the

511
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: baby across the country. The baby is just an afterthought

512
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: and no point is he focused on this kid. It

513
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: couldn't matter less to him. Sarah Hubbard filed a kidnapping

514
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: complaint with the l a p D. But they assumed

515
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: this was just a domestic dispute and decided not to

516
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: get in the middle of things. So the l a

517
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: p D hitting it out of the park. Yeah, you

518
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: guys don't get a pass. Psychiatrists of San Bernardino. Cool

519
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: with you. Fuck the l a p D. L a

520
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: p D today. If you want to sponsor the show,

521
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: we can talk about it. In the meantime, while Sarah

522
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: was trying to file a kidnapping complaint, Elron Hubbard found

523
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist who was willing to diagnose him, saying which

524
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: he had done just sort of a precautionary measure. According

525
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: to one of the men who helped him do all this,

526
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: a dianeticist with the last name of Demill quote, he

527
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: and I first went to a psychiatrist who didn't like

528
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: the smell of it. He obviously thought he was being manipulated,

529
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: so we just paid him ten dollars and left. Then

530
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: we went to a prominent diagnostic psychologist of that era

531
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: who did some projective testing on Hubbard and produced an upbeat,

532
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: harmless report, saying he was a creative individual upset by

533
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: family problems and dissension, and it was depressing his work

534
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: and so forth. It was very bland, but Hubbard was

535
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: delighted with it. The main value of it to him

536
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: was that it didn't say he was crazy, so he

537
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: could claim he had been given a clean bill of

538
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: health by the psychiatric profession. Okay. Next he called the

539
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: FBI to claim that Myles Hollister, the man his wife

540
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: was having an affair with, was a communist as well

541
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: as armed and dangerous. He made several calls and reports

542
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: to the FBI, trying to get them to murder his

543
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: wife's new lover by claiming he was an armed and

544
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: dangerous communist. Next, l Ron Hubbard, de Mille and his

545
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: baby flew to Havana, Cuba. Hubbard put the baby in

546
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: the care of two Jamaican women as soon as they arrived,

547
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: who were also strangers. Not with anybody who cares about it. No, no, no, no, no, no.

548
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Ln Hubard is not gonna spend any time with his

549
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: bay be. No no no. He spent the time in

550
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Cuba writing the draft of a sequel to his book

551
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: on dianetics and drinking huge quantities of rum so he

552
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: couldn't be taking care of a baby. Then he had

553
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: to drink for several weeks straight and write a terrible book.

554
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: Sarah did eventually file a writ with the l A

555
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Superior Court, and the news picked up the exciting story

556
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: that the founder of America's newest cult, psychological fad whatever

557
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: had abducted his own child. As a result, Outron Hubbard

558
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: had to write a letter to his estranged wife. So

559
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you that letter now. This is to Sarah.

560
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: This is to Sarah. Dear Sarah. I have been in

561
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: a Cuban military hospital and I am being transferred to

562
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: the United States next week. Is a classified scientist, immune

563
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: from interference of all kinds. Though I will be hospitalized

564
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: probably a long time. Alexis is getting excellent care. I

565
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: see her every day. She is all I have to

566
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: live for. My wits never gave way under all you

567
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: did and let them do. But my body didn't stand up.

568
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: My right side is paralyzed and getting more. So I

569
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: hope my heart lasts. I may live a long time,

570
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: and again I may not, but Diane Netics will last

571
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: ten thousand years for the Army and Navy have it now.

572
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: My will is all changed. Alexis will get a fortune

573
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: unless she goes to you, as she would then get nothing.

574
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Hope to see you once more. Goodbye, I love you

575
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: Ron more. Truth. Yeah, Alexis is his daughter who he's

576
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: not taking care of him instead drinking rum. Yes, and

577
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: will later deny is his child and tells her when

578
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: she comes to him an adult, that she was the

579
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: illegitimate child of his wife. And I was going to

580
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: ask about because he has kids from his first marriage

581
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: with Paula, having five or six kids. Yeah, one of

582
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: them Nibs I think was his nickname, was with the

583
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: cult for a while and then left. Changed his last

584
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: name to D Wolf's nephew, Jamie. D. Wolf does a

585
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of I think he's like a motivational speaker and stuff.

586
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: So a number of his kids have become big anti

587
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: scientology sort of voices. He didn't spend any time with them,

588
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: so how could they have One of his kids committed suicide? Um, yeah,

589
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: at least one. So Sarah filed for divorce, and the

590
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: court documents she filed revealed horrific details from inside their relationship.

591
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: According to her, at one point, Ron told her they

592
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: couldn't get a divorce because it would be bad for

593
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: his reputation. She says that he told her basically, you'll

594
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: kill yourself if you really love me, because we can't

595
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: get divorced because it's the fifties. She also says that

596
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: he regularly strangled her. She believed that he was insane

597
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: and needed to be locked up in a mental asylum.

598
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: Obviously she has a bias, but it's really hard to

599
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: disagree with that statement. Oh yeah, what a different world

600
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: it would be if somebody had given a Ron Hubbard

601
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: the help he's so desperately needed. Now. Hubbard flew back

602
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: from Cuba around this time. He wound up living with

603
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: a millionaire dionetics enthusiast named Purcell, who had gotten rich

604
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: through something else and just love dionetics. Purcell wound up

605
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: essentially taking over the business operations of Dionetics for a

606
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: while and fixing everything on fucking all of the damage

607
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Hubbard had done to the structure of it to make

608
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: it profitable and for a while, Wichita, Kansas becomes the

609
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: center of dionetics research. Yeah, yeah, Wichita, So they're doing

610
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: research not really. They just yeah, I mean now writes

611
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of books about dionetics to try to sell

612
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: them to people and to teach classes. But no, I

613
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think they're doing much real research. When Sarah found

614
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: out that Hubbard was in Wichita, she filed a petition

615
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: asking to have his assets in Los Angeles placed into receivership.

616
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Hubbard responded by sending a letter to the Department of Justice.

617
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: He described himself as basically a scientist. There's there's exact words,

618
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: basically a scientist, and accused the Communists and their secret agent,

619
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: his wife, of orchestrating a campaign to try and destroy him.

620
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: He would later claim that his wife was a Nazi

621
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: agent as well. He kind of switched between the two

622
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: pretty much. It will and this is like McCarthy, era's

623
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: good time to be accusing people of communism. It is

624
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: proof of how nutty he sounded. He is constantly going

625
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: to the FBI and claiming that all the people who

626
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: are against him are Communists and armed and stuff, and

627
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: the FBI immediately writes him off as a nut which

628
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: the FBI was not good at determining who was legitimate

629
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: a threat to the country, not in this period they

630
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: went after a lot of innocent people, but even the

631
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, FBI was like, this guy is fucking crazy,

632
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Like Joseph McCarthy's basically running the show right now, but

633
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: this guy is a fucking lunatic. Like yeah, which, like,

634
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: if the fucking FBI under j Edgar Hoover thinks you're

635
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: too crazy to be credible about your anti communist conspiracy theories,

636
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: you gotta be real crazy. You gotta be really goddamn crazy. Okay.

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00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: The good news is that Sarah Northrope eventually got both

638
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: her divorce and her daughter back, and as far as

639
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I know, hopefully Alex has had a good childhood. I

640
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: really don't know much more about her at this point,

641
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: but she went to live with her infant whenever she's

642
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: getting filled with bad ingrams like holy shit. In exchange

643
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: for getting her baby back, though she agreed not to

644
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: say anything bad about her ex husband l Ron Hubbard,

645
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: he also made her write a statement, or rather he

646
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: wrote a statement and then published it with her name

647
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: attached to it, and she didn't complain. That seems likely

648
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: based on the actual wording of the statement. I'm going

649
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: to read you the end bit of it. There is

650
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: no other reason for the statement than my own wish

651
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: to make atonement for the damage I may have done

652
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: in the future. I wish to lead a quiet and

653
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: orderly existence with my little girl, far away from the

654
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: interbulating influences which have ruined my marriage, Sarah North through pubbic.

655
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: Interbulating is a word that l Ron Hubbard invented, which

656
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: is why people think he just wrote this. And she

657
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: wanted her baby back, and it was the fifties and

658
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: she was like, this is the closest version of justice

659
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I can get. Yeah, Interbulating. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

660
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: By the end of dianetics looked to be on its

661
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: way out. A conference of dianeticists only drew a hundred

662
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: and twelve attendees, which is about about a year about

663
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: what you could expect to get out of a fad

664
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: pop psychology things like this. Hubbard desperately pushed book after book,

665
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: including child Dionetics, but all of them failed to catch on.

666
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: The book he wrote while drunk in Cuba did not

667
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: see the same success as the original, which is really

668
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: a tragic We call dietics to dionetics to extremely dionetics hardarch. Yeah,

669
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: you could call it like a reverse Hemmingway, because he

670
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: went to Cuba and got drunk to write but was

671
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: less successful. And I assume that's where Hemingway did all

672
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: his good stuff. I don't know much about swear around him.

673
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: That's probably a shipload. Yeah, I assume may it would

674
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: have been a better book of it had more cats. Yeah.

675
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: It became increasingly clear to many people that l. Ron

676
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Hubbard was not quite the genius they had thought. Perry

677
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: chapter Lane, a researcher at the Wichita Dionetics Foundation, said,

678
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: quote the problem for many people involved in dionetics was

679
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: that they accepted every word Hubbard said as literal truth,

680
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: rather than a framework around which you could do things.

681
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I remember at a lecture one night, he told people

682
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: that if they did this or that, they would no

683
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: longer need to wear glasses, and that they would be

684
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: able to throw them away forever. He pointed to a

685
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: big bowl at the bottom of the steps leading up

686
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: to the rostrum. At the end of the lecture, people

687
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: were throwing their glasses into this bowl. Don Purcell, the

688
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: millionaire who saved Hubbard's ass and save dianetics, was one

689
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: of the guys who tossed their glasses into the bowl quote.

690
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: Hubbard thought it was a great joke. He told me

691
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: about it afterwards, making a snider remark about Purcell and

692
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: describing how he took off his glasses, threw them into

693
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: the bowl, and groped his way out of the lecture hall.

694
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Hubbard was laughing that people would do something like that

695
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: just because of what he said. Of course, it didn't

696
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: work like everyone else. Purcell had a new pair of

697
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: glasses in a couple of days. Yeah, I thought the

698
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: story was going to end that like someone crashed on

699
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: their way home because they couldn't see. That would have

700
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: made sense, No, I mean everyone on the road was

701
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: drunk in they were limp when they hit. Anyway, Hubbard

702
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: met and married his third and final wife, Mary Sue

703
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: Whipped during this Wichita period. She was like eighteen, and

704
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: he was like it was kind of a bit of

705
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: a creepy, But they stayed together the rest of his life. Um,

706
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: and he may even have been faithful to her. Maybe not,

707
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: probably a couple of affairs in there, but he might have.

708
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: They were They were together the rest of his life,

709
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: well sort of. She wound up taking the Fall Firm

710
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: and going to prison, but that's a story for another day.

711
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Um Wichita is also where he first revealed the e

712
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: meter at of ice, he claimed could measure emotions and

713
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: quote give an auditor insight into the mind of his

714
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: pre clear. Hubbard announced this at a meeting in a

715
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: Wichita hotel, right before he made the exciting announcement to

716
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: a group of eighty that he had developed a new

717
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: science even better than dionetics, a science that filled the

718
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: few holes dionetics had had and elevated it to a

719
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: new level that was almost more than a science. He

720
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: called this scientology. Yeah. Now I looked on scientology dot

721
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: org try and figure out what they had to say

722
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: about this, and I actually found another reference to his

723
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: totally real book Excalibur, because that's where they claimed the

724
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: name comes from. L. Ron Hubbard began his studies of

725
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: the mind and Spirit in ninety three, resulting in a

726
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: manuscript entitled Excalibur in nineteen thirty eight. In this unpublished

727
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: work that the word scientology first appeared to describe what

728
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: Mr Hubbard termed the study of knowing how to know.

729
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: He'd decided against publishing the book for the fact Excalibur

730
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: didn't contain any therapy of any kind, but was simply

731
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: a discussion of the composition of life. Consequently, he said,

732
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: I decided to go further. So now it's worth interesting.

733
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: The author of Bare Face Messiah found an earlier use

734
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: of the word scientology and like a German scientific study

735
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: published like in the thirties, but it had nothing to

736
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: do with any of This is worth noting someone else

737
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: figured out the term first. Not really a big deal.

738
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Hubbard probably wasn't plagiarizing this obscure German scientist, but I

739
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. So in the scientology dot org

740
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: write up of things, scientology was immediately conceived of as

741
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: a religion. The reality is that it was immediately conceived

742
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: of as a science, and its real purpose was to

743
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: protect Hubbard legally because he and Purcell had gotten into

744
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: a fight at this point over the rights to dionetics.

745
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Don Porcell and he had a falling out, and so

746
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: there was a giant legal battle waging over who was

747
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: going to own the rights to dionetics. So Hubbard created

748
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: scientology initially so we could keep making more books and

749
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: selling more products. I'm or thing that Purcell had no

750
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: rights to yeah, and it was not a religion at first.

751
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: Hubbard claimed that while Dianetics had been about the body,

752
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: scientology was essentially focused more on the soul because he

753
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: had quote come across incontrovertible, scientifically validated evidence of the

754
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: existence of the human soul. So we're gonna get into

755
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: what Hubbard claimed in scientology and how it changed from

756
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: a way for him to dodge legal liability into a religion. Um,

757
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: but first consume we're back. We're talking about scientology, the

758
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: new science of the soul that l Ron Hubbard has

759
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: just launched in order to avoid a court case, or

760
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: in order to protect himself from a court case, start

761
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: a religion. Oh the great well, Jesus actually started Christianity

762
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: because he hit a guy with his camaro. Anyway, anyway,

763
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was a mess, but it

764
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: all worked out in the end, thank goodness. So Hubbard

765
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: claimed to have discovered that human beings were driven by

766
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: immortal and omnipotent beings called thetens. Now Thetan's try on

767
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: millions of bodies over the course of eons, and so

768
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: they're essentially these immortal spirits that like guide our meat

769
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: sacks Dianetics had been about refiling bad memories in your

770
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: brain to cure health problems, but Scientology was a way

771
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: of waking your theting up to the memories of its

772
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: long hidden existence in order to gain superpowers. Essentially, you're

773
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: activating your theting so that you can, you know, and

774
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: clearing off all of the bullshit that's tricked into thinking

775
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: it's just a mortal being, um, something like that. It's

776
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: close enough. Yeah. According to bare Face Messiah, Theting's were

777
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: obviously not restricted to this universe, and auditing sessions revealed

778
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: innumerable accounts of space travel and adventures on other planets,

779
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: very similar to those found in the pages of Astounding

780
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: science fiction, to which the founder of Scientology had so

781
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: recently been contributing. One report described how a pre clear

782
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: had arrived on a plane at seventy four thousand years

783
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: ago and battled black magic operators who were using a

784
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: lect ronics for evil purposes. So this is the point

785
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: in which past lives become a real big part about

786
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard's philosophy. And they have electronics seventy years ago. Well, yeah,

787
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: you space aliens, because space and aliens and stuff. Aliens

788
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: have been traveling space all the time. Yeah. In July,

789
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard published The History of Man. He called it

790
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: quote a cold blooded and factual account of your last

791
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: sixty trillion years. In it, he promised that with scientology,

792
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: the blind willigan see the lame walk, the ill recover,

793
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: the insane becomes sane, and the sane will become saner.

794
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And if there's one man you should trust

795
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: on how to become saner, it's the guy you kidnapped

796
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: his own baby. You know. That says to me, sane,

797
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: really stable guy, balanced man. You know, I've always really

798
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: respected kidnapping as a discipline. Oh yeah, there's Yeah, it's

799
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: a wonderful industry. It's a calling, it's an art form,

800
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: really a good solid kidnapping basically science. It's a guy

801
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: stealing babies out of a window. What are you doing,

802
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm basically a scientist. That's the T shirt right there,

803
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Hubbards stealing a baby. We're gonna get some good T

804
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: shirt based lawsuits out of this, and then I'll have

805
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to create a religion in order to maintain my rights

806
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: to this show. And then I'm going to fight you

807
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: for those rights, and then we're something Bad's gonna happen.

808
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: You want a baby in Cuba, go right ahead, because

809
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: that's where it's going. Oh boy, abduction jokes. It's a

810
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: good fun when you know the kid got out. Yes, yeah,

811
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: a lot of kids didn't get out of scientology anyway.

812
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Back to the story, So the History of Man basically

813
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: repackaged Hubbard's dineticist ideas about in grams, but catch them

814
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: in weird evolutionary terms. So now scientologists didn't just have

815
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: to worry about the traumas you know, they'd experienced as babies.

816
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: They had to worry about the traumas that deep back

817
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: in time their ancestors had experienced. Hubbard claimed that many

818
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: grahams were caused by clams because our clam ancestors were

819
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: locked in an eternal conflict between the hinge that opened

820
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: and the hinge that closed. He claimed that the gesture

821
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: of opening and closing your thumb and forefinger wasn't consciously

822
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: upsetting to people as a result of this, Are you

823
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: getting okay? Do you have you have questions about that?

824
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: That's not all clear. Our clam and our clam clamcestors.

825
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: It's like a clamato clamanca fish. No clams specifically specifically clams.

826
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: Are we descended from absolutely okay, or at least our

827
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: thet and spent time in clams. Oh okay, um, yeah, no,

828
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: I'll get it. Okay, it's all internally consistent. Yeah, this

829
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: all works out. And then the motion of of me

830
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: clasping my you know, thumb against my fingers is upsetting,

831
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: is what he's saying. Yeah, it upsets people. If you

832
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: just do this, just walk around the street today and

833
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: just do this at strangers. Basically sock puppet basically sock

834
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: puppet motions. If you live near l Ron Hubbard Boulevard,

835
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: just walk down at doing this. You're really piss some

836
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: people off. I live near the whole church of Scientology.

837
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: I live near the Scientology like movie studios. Oh fantastic. Yeah,

838
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm like in this area that where all that stuff

839
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: is very well. If the scientologist tries to abduct you,

840
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: you know how to upset them. Just do the clam thing. Now, Hubbard,

841
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: did Warren quote your discussion of these incidents with the

842
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: uninitiated and scientology can cause havoc. Should you describe the

843
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: clam to someone, you may restimulate it in him to

844
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: the extent of causing severe jaw pain. One such victim,

845
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: after hearing about a clam death, could not use his

846
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: jaws for three days. So how's everyone's jaw feel? You

847
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: know what's starting all tired because I'm making so many

848
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: good jokes about Ron. My jaw is tired. But I've

849
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: read through sixteen pages this nonsense. You know what doesn't

850
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: tire your jaw out? And you know what, I'm not

851
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: going to do a Dorito's at now. You could have

852
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: had a Dorito's ad Dorito's people, but instead I'm going

853
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: to shill for another product of the next product available,

854
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: Lisol sanitizing wipes. That's what's good for you is Lysol

855
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: wipe yourself, clean, your thetings away, your thetings away. See

856
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: Lysol got a freebe Doritos. Anyway, back back to the tail.

857
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: So there's an awful lot of lunacy in scientology. I'm

858
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: not going to go into tremendous detail about all of

859
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: the different crazy things he said, because that could be

860
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: a whole fucking tin part episode. But it is important

861
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: that you know it didn't all come together at once,

862
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think most people's understanding of Scientology's actual

863
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: beliefs comes from that South Park episode, which did a

864
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: pretty good job of summing it up. But he hadn't

865
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: even invented all of this stuff yet, everything about Zeno

866
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: and that this was all added over time. It was

867
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: definitely cobbled together. He did not just come out with

868
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: suddenly this vision of how things had happened. Well, genius

869
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen overnight, you know, no, And neither do bullshit

870
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: science fiction short stories in general. The story of scientology

871
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: is the story of l Ron Hubbard just making up

872
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: things for seventy years and writing them down, and now

873
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: people have to pay attention to him because it's a religion.

874
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. He continuously expanded his claims of what

875
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: scientology could achieve in the book Scientology eight to eight

876
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I don't know what that's a reference to.

877
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: He ragged with this book. The ability to make one's

878
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: body older, young at will, the ability to heal the

879
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: ill without physical contact, the ability to cure the insane

880
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: and incapacitated, a set forth for the physician, the layman,

881
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: the mathematician, and the physicist. So anyone can use this

882
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: science to heal the sick. Weird that we still have

883
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: sick people shocking. Scientology proved to be a much better

884
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: money making scheme than dianetics had been. Hubbard moved to

885
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: England and bought a gigantic manor house. He built facilities

886
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: there and was soon making more than forty dollars a

887
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: week just at the English facility teaching auditors there. He

888
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: was making millions and millions of dollars long in the world.

889
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: This marked the end of l Ron Hubbard's money problems.

890
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Money is just if your question is how did they

891
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: afford that? For any other part of the next two

892
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: parts of the story, it's just he's riches shit like

893
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: forever now, and this is one of those things. He

894
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: does not have any more money problems like. And this

895
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: is because people are just buying into this religion and

896
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: shelling out buying the books, paying for training all over,

897
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: most of whom probably aren't super committed, because like I've

898
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: talked to a number people in l a who did

899
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: scientology for a years, so they probably spent a couple

900
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: of grand on it, but then they just left. But

901
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot more people like that than there are

902
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: a committed scientologists. It's a good money making thing, God,

903
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: which is what it's always been, but I'll give it

904
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: to him for this. It was a very idiosyncratic organization

905
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: at its start, and that initially caused some problems because

906
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: he was bad at managing. But he really seems to

907
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: have learned how to manage a really profitable, gigantic worldwide enterprise,

908
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: which is not easy. So again, one of the reasons

909
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: why it's hard to hate him as much as you

910
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: should is he's really competent. Like it's not like a

911
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: guy who was just born rich and does shitty things,

912
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: like an unnamed person we're all thinking of right now,

913
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: just born rich and never has to work for his

914
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: money and is mominent. Because the l Ron Hubbard was

915
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: born poor and built a multibillion dollar religious cult, It's impressive.

916
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: It's an impressive con, probably the most impressive con. On

917
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: April tenth, ll Run Hubbard wrote to one of his

918
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: higher ranking followers and suggested turning their science self help

919
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: empire into a religion. I await your reaction on the

920
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn't get worse public

921
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: opinion than we have had, or have less customers with

922
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be

923
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: necessary in Pennsylvania or New Jersey to make it stick.

924
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: But I sure could make it stick. Not inaccurate, it's stuck. Well,

925
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: ask someone from Pennsylvania from punk SATONI specific from Pati

926
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: for sure. People are Yeah, they're really impressionable there. So

927
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: as the guy who defeated isis I agree with you? Uh?

928
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: In December of ninety three, ll Run Hubbard incorporated three

929
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: new churches, the Church of American Science, the Church of Scientology,

930
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: in the Church of Spiritual Engineering, all in Camden, New

931
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Jersey's Jersey Boy. Uh. February of nineteen fifty four, he

932
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: incorporated the Church of Scientology in California. Over the course

933
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty four, he encouraged Dionetics Foundation franchise holders,

934
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: because that's how it spreads so rapidly. People were starting

935
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: franchises to turn their businesses into independent churches. Yeah interesting, right, yeah,

936
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: really it came together real well. Executives of the Hubbard

937
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: Association of Scientologists were now ministers. Some even called themselves Reverence.

938
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Just let people call themselves Reverence, whatever you want. Whatever.

939
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to be a reverend. Scientology wouldn't qualify

940
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: as a religion for the purposes of tax exemption. Until

941
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: nineteen This was a battle, the battle to get accepted. Like,

942
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: it took a long time. I'm not going to get

943
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: into everything they had to do it it was. It

944
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: was a fucking uphill. But starting in nineteen fifty four,

945
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: that's when he starts consistently saying this is a religion.

946
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: This is the point which Hubbard quit claiming to be

947
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: a researcher and a scientist and started presenting himself to

948
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: the world as spotified holy man, basically a science Now

949
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: he's definitely a holy man, definitely a holy man. He

950
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: of course drew government attention, particularly from the FBI. This

951
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: made him grow more and more paranoid. He encouraged believers

952
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: to attack anyone practicing scientology outside of the Church. Apost

953
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: states were called squirrels and should be sued out of existence.

954
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Um the term squirrel is still used by the Church

955
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: of Scientology. You can find YouTube videos called squirrel Busters.

956
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: Type that in and it's like guys with like go

957
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: pro camras, just like yelling scientology nonsense. It's supposed apples

958
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: state scientologists. Yeah, I saw some of that in Going Clear.

959
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's really uncomfortable. It's like to people yelling

960
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: about a video game that you don't know anything about,

961
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Like it's so technical and specific. Are you on tech?

962
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Man Um Hubbard advice scientologists

963
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: who are arrested heckling nonbelievers or apost dates to immediately

964
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: sue for a hundred thousand dollars and claim religious persecution.

965
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: He said the only proper response to any kind of

966
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: challenge to the church was unrestricted warfare. Attack, attack, attack,

967
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: never stop attacking, can always be attacking. It works a

968
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: B A. I mean it. It's the same social media

969
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: strategy the president uses. Like you never apologize for doing

970
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: something bad. You always just attack new people. And if

971
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: you get attacked for something you find like it works it.

972
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: Don't spend any time addressing problems, just attack. Really successful idea.

973
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: So Hubbard figures this out in the early fifties and

974
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: applies it to his religion. So it is, yeah, the coolest.

975
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: Throughout the late nineteen fifties, auditing sessions and courses devolved

976
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: from semi scientific discussions of dianetics and two lurid stories

977
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: of past lives as aliens and famous historic figures. One

978
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: of Hubbard's followers were called There was a good deal

979
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: of rivalry as to who could dig up the most

980
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: notable or extraordinary past life. Jesus of Nazareth was very popular.

981
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: At least three London scientologist claimed to have uncovered incidents

982
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: in which they were crucified and rose from the dead

983
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: to save the world. Queen Elizabeth the First, Walter Raleigh

984
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: and the Venerable bed were also popular. Funnily enough, I

985
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: never met anyone who claimed to know anything about Attila

986
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: the Hun Genghis Khan or punscious pie it, which is,

987
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: if you're ever pretending to have fake lives, pretend to

988
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: be someone cool, yeah, No one wants to be a

989
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: goody two shoes in the past. Yeah. I was fucking Gangskan.

990
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: That's a cool past live. Yeah. Now. The CIA had

991
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: taken an interest in Hubbard in nineteen fifty seven, and

992
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: the FBI had been onto him for a while, almost

993
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: because of the hundreds of letters he'd sent them claiming

994
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: people were communists. In nineteen sixty l Run Hubbard officially

995
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: spooked the government when he urged his followers to do

996
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: everything in their power to stop the election of Richard Nixon,

997
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: not on the wrong side of history there. Now, Nixon

998
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: didn't win, probably for other reasons because JFK was just

999
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: such a charming son of a bitch, But the whole

1000
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: escapade convince Hubbard that he could use his colt to

1001
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: gain political power. In August of nineteen sixty two, l

1002
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: Run Hubbard wrote a letter to President Kennedy claiming that

1003
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: scientology was the only way to train human beings for

1004
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: the rigors of space flight. Since Hubbard and his followers

1005
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: were all aware of their past lives as space travelers,

1006
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: they really were the best people to manage astronaut training. Yeah, definitely, absolutely,

1007
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: totally again logically consistent the S and NASA stands for scientologists.

1008
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: He said in his letter to JFK. Quote, man will

1009
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: not successfully get into space without us. We do not

1010
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: wish the United States to lose either the space race

1011
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: or the next war. The deciding factor in that race

1012
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: or that war may very well be lying in your

1013
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: hands at this moment and may depend on what is

1014
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: done with this letter. Courteously, Ron Hubbard, suppose the alert

1015
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: we did get into space without them, have we? Though

1016
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: I've seen those staged moon landing photos see I think

1017
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: the moon landing is stage. But I think it's because

1018
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: we really landed on venus. Oh that's an interesting theory,

1019
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: and that's where cell phones come from, the government doesn't

1020
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: want you to yea. Yeah. Anyway, back to l. Ron Hubbard.

1021
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: In January of nineteen sixty three, the FDA carried out

1022
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: a raid on the Church of Scientology. They didn't get much.

1023
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: It seems like one of those things where they basically

1024
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: cooked up a bullshit reason because e meters were labeled

1025
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: improperly and we're like making health claims they shouldn't make.

1026
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: But they used as an excuse to send them a

1027
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: dozen of armed men and stuff to like raid a facility.

1028
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: It was like it was it was an overreach of force.

1029
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were expecting to find a cache

1030
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: of weapons or something crazy because this Colt seemed so

1031
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: crazy and they didn't. Church of Scientology was probably more

1032
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: in the right than the FDA was, although they were

1033
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: publishing misleading stuff. The raid seems to have been kind

1034
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: of bullshit. Well, they read, you know, works from what

1035
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: was it, Remington Winchester Colt and exactly he's got three guns.

1036
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: The whole thing increased out on Hubbard since of paranoia

1037
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: and persecution. In nineteen five, Hubbard introduced ethics technology to

1038
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: his new faith, which included conditions that could be applied

1039
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: to people when they had had ethical lapses. One member,

1040
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: who worked in Hubbard's English manner as a butler, recalled

1041
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: I was assigned a condition of emergency because I served

1042
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: him salmon for dinner that was not quite fresh. I

1043
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: was shocked. You had to go through a whole formula,

1044
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: right it up and submitted with an application to be upgraded.

1045
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: Scientology developed a new cadre of ethics officers, who are

1046
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: basically secret police, tasked with punishing the insufficiently dedicated or disloyal.

1047
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: Different penalties, including a condition of liability, could be imposed.

1048
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Members in a condition of liability had to wear dirty

1049
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: gray rags on their arms. They also couldn't like bathe

1050
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: and stuff. It was gross. Church members who screwed up

1051
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: too badly were declared suppressive persons. These people, Hubbard declared,

1052
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: were fair game to be destroyed by any means necessary.

1053
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Now Australia had been a hotbed of Scientologist activity. Australia. Australia, Okay,

1054
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: Hubbard brag that was going to be the first clear continent.

1055
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: But in October of nine and Australian Board of Inquiry

1056
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: published report on Scientology and they wholeheartedly condemned the cult.

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Speaker 1: So Australia basically kicked them out. They said it seemed

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: so silly that people would think it was harmless, but

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00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: that it's really fucking dangerous. Scientology is evil. It's techniques evil,

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00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: it's practice a serious threat to the community medically, morally

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00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: and socially, and it's adhere it's sadly diluted and often

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00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: mentally ill um So Australia knows what is talking about. Yeah,

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00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: and they banned them. They basically banned, or at least

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: the state of Victoria basically banned Scientology. And I hate

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: to say it, but we owe a lot of that

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00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: to Rupert Murdoch newspapers he owned, and he seems to

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00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: have been personally involved and really pushing coverage of how

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00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: crazy Scientology was, which is responsible for starting the investigation

1069
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: which got it banned. He gave them their first nickname,

1070
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: which is also the only nickname I aware of for them.

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00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Bunk Homology didn't take off their Murdock's not great at

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Speaker 1: naming things, um, But credit to a monster he was

1073
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: in the right this one time. In the fucking sixties,

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00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: England began to crack down more on Hubbard and scientology

1075
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: as well. With the US, Australia and UK all clearly

1076
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: against him, l Ron Hubbard began to look for a

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00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: new place to base his growing faith. His first instinct

1078
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: was Rhodesia. You ever heard of Rhodesia. I don't think so.

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00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: I think it's Zimbabwe now. Rhodesia is the name when

1080
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of white people were ruling over the black majority,

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: pretty brutal. He was very much an apartheid state. There

1082
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: was a civil war, the people in charge got overthrown.

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00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: Before that happened, he went to Rhodesia and basically promised

1084
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: to put a bunch of money into the local economy,

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00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: and he wrote a new constitution for them that was

1086
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: meant to trick black people into thinking of their votes

1087
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: mattered without actually letting them vote. Weirdly enough, Rhodesia actually

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: kicked him out. They didn't want anything to do with him. Yeah, no, no,

1089
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: it's weird. You expect it to go even worse. But

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Speaker 1: even the country of racists, run by racists for racists,

1091
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: and it's still like a major in far right white

1092
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: supremacist talking points today to talk about Rhodesia along they

1093
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do without run Hubbard, So I

1094
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: guess props to Rhodesia. Like once he got back from Africa,

1095
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard began to cook up a scheme to

1096
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: escape all his myriad legal troubles. One of his friends

1097
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: recalled him saying, you know, John, we have got to

1098
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: do something about all this trouble we're having with governments.

1099
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of high level research that still has

1100
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: to be done, and I want to be able to

1101
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: get on with it without constant interference. Do you realize

1102
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: that the Earth surface is completely free from the control

1103
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: of any government. That's where we could be free on

1104
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: the high seas see back to the boat. Back to

1105
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: the boats. The high seas are exactly where al Ron

1106
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: Hubbard decided to go next, quietly, carefully and his minions

1107
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: embarked upon what he called the C Project. And we're

1108
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Speaker 1: going to hear about that C Project on the next

1109
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Speaker 1: episode of Behind the Bastards. Are you feeling I feel great?

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Speaker 1: I feel I oh man, I'm invigorate. And my Satan's

1111
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: are They're really charged up and my ingrams or their

1112
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Speaker 1: their disappear gramm. They're they're instagramming, but they on their

1113
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: way out. What did you have for breakfast? Because of

1114
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Speaker 1: my many past lives, I definitely recall having some hot cakes,

1115
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: pot cakes, hot cakes. Well, I don't know what I'm

1116
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Speaker 1: trying to do. Speaking of Instagram, you can follow me

1117
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Speaker 1: there and on Twitter. That was good, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: At Caitlin Dronte spelled c A I T l I.

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Speaker 1: And you can listen to my podcast right here on

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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works. It is called the Bechtel Cast, and

1121
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: we talked about the portrayal of women in movies and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, follow us there at Bectel Cast b E

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Speaker 1: c A d e O. Speaking of the portrayal of

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Speaker 1: women in movies. My Twitter is I right, okay. You

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Speaker 1: can find this podcast online at behind the Bastard's dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at at Bastard's pot

1127
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: on Instagram to so check us out. If you're an

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Speaker 1: angry scientologist, you can yell at me there. I'm sure

1129
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: I got something wrong about your religion because it's silly.

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Speaker 1: That's the only religion I'll say that about, except for

1131
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Zoro Astrinism. No, I'm actually I like zoro Astrinism. It's

1132
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: cool as hell. It's really neat, really cool imagery. Sorry,

1133
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I've faked and insulted Zoroastrians. There.

1134
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: I've gone mad reading all of this. This is what

1135
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Speaker 1: happens two hours into the Leron Hubbard podcasts. We insult

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Speaker 1: Zoroastrians for no reason, a religion that never did anything

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Speaker 1: to hurt anybody. Oh no, you're implicated now date and

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Speaker 1: you're all implicated for listening and be implicated in our

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Speaker 1: part three Boats