1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: No matter what is going on in my life off 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: the track, on the track, no matter what injury, it's 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: like I always just come back to the work. 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here. You are listening to 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: another episode of Hurdle, a show that dives into the 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: true stories and mindset secrets of the most inspiring woman 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: in sports and wellness, empowering you to conquer your own 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: hurdles and live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. Today 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: I am joined by the incredible Anna Hall, a world 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: champion heptapley, an Olympian who is truly redefining what it 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: means to be resilient. 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: Fresh off of. 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: Her big win in Tokyo, Anna opens up about the good, 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: busy season of life she's currently navigating, from intense training 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: sessions to wedding planning. In this conversation, we get real 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: about the highs and lows of professional sports. She reflects 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: on the heartbreak of the Paris Olympics and the subsequent 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: journey of returning to the track with a refreshed perspective. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: So many gems in this conversation, including insight into her 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: journaling process, how she compartmentalizes challenge during a multi event 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: of competition like the heptathlon, say that sentence five times 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: fast and the important role that nutrition plays and ensuring 23 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: that she's able to perform her best. Speaking of nutrition, 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: Anna and her dog Cross partnered recently with the brand 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: new Loo for their fuel Credible campaign, which is designed 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: to highlight the profound connection between athletes and their pets, 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: illustrating that success is not just measured in metals and titles, 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: but also in the shared journey of wellness and mutual support. 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: So thank you to New Loo for connecting me with Anna. 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle on social It's 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: over at Hurdle podcast. 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: You can also check. 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Out Iheartwoman's Sport over at Iheartwoman's Sports and me over 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: at Emily a Body. Listen to Hurdle with Emily a 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Body on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get to 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: hurdling today. 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Anna Hall. She is a 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: world champion at heptathlee. She's also an Olympian a pro 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: for Adidas. Anna, how we doing, Welcome to hurdle. 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: I'm good, how are you. 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm so good. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here as a proud member 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: of the Anna Hall fan club. 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: I'm so sweet. I appreciate that. I'm happy to be here. 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: Whenever I start these combos, I always like to level set. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: I want to know, how are you doing? Really good? 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: I think I'm in a very busy season of life. 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: But it's like a good busy track is busy picking 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: up life, is busy picking up wedding planning and things 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: of the sort. But I've gotten to spend so much 53 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: time with my family, like maxed out my off season, 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: which meant a lot of traveling, but it was so 55 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: good to see everybody. And yeah, I'm good, but busy. 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: Good but busy, and a lot of exciting things to 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: be busy with, like you just mentioned wedding planning and 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: getting back into the swing of things with training. Talk 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: to me about what is making you feel the most 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: excited about this upcoming season. 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I think what is making me the most excited is 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: that I took a real break for like one of 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: the first times ever. Like maybe last year was my 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: first actual break, and this year I didn't feel bad 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: about it. I guess the whole time like why I 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: was on break. I wasn't punishing myself for being on 67 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: break the whole time, if that makes sense. Yeah, And 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I came back to practice outside just 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: like totally refreshed, like ready to be there, and probably 70 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: with like the best attitude that I've ever. 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: Started fall training at. 72 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: And that's kind of shown up on the track, which 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: I thought, because I took five weeks off, I was like, 74 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm gonna feel terrible, like the events 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: are going to be so out of whack. I'm going 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: to be starting from scratch essentially, But training has actually 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: been really good, so I was. 78 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: Like, Okay, I got rewarded for taking a break. 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: Now I have a hunch why it is that you're 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: showing up and feeling a little bit more rejuvenated than 81 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: ever and also felt like you were entirely able to disconnect. 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: But I'd love to hear why you think that is. 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 4: I think it's because I got out of Gainesville, which 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: I love it here. I love the people here. 85 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: But you know, my fiance lives in New Jersey right 86 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: now during the football season, and so as soon as 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Tokyo was over, I actually flew straight there and crossed 88 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: and my car met me in New Jersey, so Crosses 89 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: my dog, and I was up there for maybe like 90 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: ten weeks, took my like five week break even started 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: training up there and lifting, so I got a lot 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: of quality time with him, a lot of quality time 93 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: with Cross. We got to explore a new city, lots 94 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: of travel, and so even when I was training again, 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: I still felt like I was off. So it feels 96 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: like I've really had I've been away for a long time, 97 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: and it gave me time. 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: To miss it. 99 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, time to miss it is important. 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: And what I'm hearing you say is that a new 101 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: environment also provided a lot of excitement for both you 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: your fiance, and we cannot forget Cross. 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: Never forget him. That's my son, my son. 104 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk about your son in just a little bit. 105 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: But what I was insinuating is that coming off with 106 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: the w AT World Championships. 107 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: Have to be pretty speconal. 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: Yes, it did, it was, No, it was. It was 109 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: so special. 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: I think it's weird because you always think like, oh, 111 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: when I get the next thing, like I'll feel different, 112 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: and you don't, which is why I think I was 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: like not even mentioning it, like you think like, oh, 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: my whole life will change when I get like the 115 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: gold medal or when I get the next thing, and 116 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: it really doesn't. But obviously I'm so proud of the 117 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: accomplishment and it's made me even more motivated to get 118 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: back to the process of like how we made that happen, 119 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: and like hungry to do it again and excited to 120 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: do it. But so, yeah, it's been amazing. But it 121 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: is just funny how you're always like, Okay, I'm going 122 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: to be a totally new person. All my problems will 123 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: be fixed, like when I make the Olympics and when 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I get the gold medal, and like that's really not 125 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: the case. 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: I think it's especially interesting knowing that you were quite 127 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: frustrated after the fifth at the Olympics, so to then 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: go into World Championships and come out with the gold, 129 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: it gives you perspective, right, because like what you're saying, 130 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: it's like I thought that life was going to be 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: so much different when I finally accomplished the goal, and 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: then you accomplish the goal. 133 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're still the same, Like it's like I'm 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: still the same person and the same people are around me. 135 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: It's obviously like something changes, there's new opportunities and like 136 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: that's incredible, but ultimately, like. 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: You're still you. 138 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: It's not like fixing all your life problems are really 139 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: a change much about you. It's just it really it 140 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: makes you really realize it is more about the journey 141 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: of the way there, and like the gold is satisfying 142 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: because of how we got there. 143 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: It probably contextualizes or puts into perspective a bit about 144 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: how you were feeling after Paris. 145 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, which like frustrated is putting it lightly, 146 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: like I was heartbroken. 147 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: It does give me a better ability. 148 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: Now I think to zoom out, even like at practice, 149 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: like if you're having a tough time or like a 150 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: tough few weeks and it's like, okay, I know, like 151 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I've been really low before, like I've wanted to quit 152 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: the sport before, and that was temporary, and so now 153 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: I kind of have that perspective where I can like 154 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: zoom out a little bit and be like, Okay, I 155 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: know I'm down, but like how down are we really? 156 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: You know, like in three months, will I think this 157 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: is the end of the world, And most of the time. 158 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: The answer is no, So are you one of the 159 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: people that allows yourself to be in this place where 160 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: you feel down for a bit before remediating the situation. 161 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: Not by choice. 162 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: I think Paris was like the first time where I 163 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: was down for a considerable amount of time and I 164 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: couldn't pick myself up, which I think was why it 165 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: was so hard coming off and coming into like the 166 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: year that I won in Tokyo this past year, like 167 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: was incredible, but I had no idea that was going 168 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: to happen. I didn't even I didn't even write that 169 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: down as a goal because I felt like so far 170 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: away from it at the beginning of the year. I 171 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: think that's why that year was so hard, was because 172 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I was down and I wasn't able to just be like, 173 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: all right, let's go again. 174 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: So never on purpose do I let myself stay down 175 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: that long. But you know, sometimes life gets you. 176 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what did that look like in practice 177 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: for you? What did it look like for Anna to 178 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: be down? 179 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely looked like I didn't want to be 180 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: at practice. But I think that's how my coaches described it, 181 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: like they're like, you show up, you do every single 182 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: thing we ask of you. Like I was working hard, 183 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: but they could just tell like you don't want to 184 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: be here. It was just kind of it was a 185 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: have to, And that is exactly what it felt like. 186 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes you wake up in the morning when I'm good, 187 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning excited to go to practice, 188 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: or sometimes I'm tired and I'm like ough, but then 189 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: like once you get going, it's good. But I was 190 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: in this phase where, like for months at a time, 191 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: I was literally counting down the minute, Like I'd sit 192 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: in my car before practice just to like wait until 193 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: the minute turned because like I didn't want to be 194 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: there a minimumer than I had to. It was just 195 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: really something that I dreaded because everything about track just 196 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: reminded me of Paris, and like how terrible I felt 197 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: about how I did, and like how that played. 198 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: Out in retrospect now looking back on that time period 199 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: and reflecting on how you were just going through the motions, 200 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: what do you think that you would do differently if 201 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: you were to be faced with the similar situation today. 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if I was faced with a similar 203 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: situation today, I don't think I would get as well, 204 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: because again I think I would be able to zoom 205 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: out and I would be like okay, like this happened 206 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: before and like something better was coming. So I don't 207 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: think I would get to as deep and dark of 208 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: a place where it's like I'm just dreading everything day 209 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: in and day out, And I think I would have 210 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: given myself more space. I think I could have taken 211 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: a longer break after the Olympics than I did, to 212 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: really like just let myself let it go, so to speak, 213 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: instead of. 214 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: Like jumping back in. Maybe before mentally I was ready. 215 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's so understandable, right to be in 216 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: this place where you're seeking to make that comeback. You're 217 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: seeking to show yourself like, no, I am capable of 218 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: these things. And we haven't even mentioned that the surgery 219 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: that you got at the top of twenty twenty four, 220 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: which set you back dramatically. To still come in at 221 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: that place, I know it doesn't make it feel any better. 222 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: But when we talk about getting the opportunity to learn 223 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: from the things that we don't expect, you had that surgery, 224 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: you've been injured before, flashback to twenty twenty slash twenty 225 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: twenty one trials, right, and so to be in this 226 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: place years later where you can implement the lessons you 227 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: learned in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, back in twenty 228 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: twenty four, or it's a continuous process and boy is it. 229 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 4: Tiring, Yes, exactly. 230 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: And I think I actually going into my knee surgery 231 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: in January of the Olympic year, where we're all freaking 232 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: out of course, because it's like that's the last thing 233 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: you want to do eight months before the Olympics is 234 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: go under the knife. But I felt so much more 235 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: prepared for that having had that past surgery, because even 236 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: though it's a different body part and it's a different 237 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: recovery and all of that, I just I was like, 238 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: I know what I'm walking into. So it's like I 239 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: know like what we're doing instead of coming in blind. 240 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: So in a weird way, it makes you like thankful 241 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: for the things before. And I'm sure there's gonna be 242 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: a reason down the line that I'm thankful for the 243 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: knee surgery and the Paris and all of that, and 244 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: so it kind of really just makes you realize where 245 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, like God works in the most mysterious 246 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: of ways when he is trying to prepare you for something, 247 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: and so I think that's how I'm starting to apply 248 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: the lessons moving forward where it's like, Okay, this area 249 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: of me maybe, like God was like to do what 250 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: you want to do, like it needs to be bulletproved 251 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: a little bit more like you're not ready yet kind. 252 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: Of yeah, And that's so frustrating in the moment because 253 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: you want something that you don't have, this like broader 254 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: grasp on the greater Why on we're talking about how 255 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: one thing rolls into the next thing and everything has 256 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: this quasi domino effect and that can. 257 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: Be a lot like your sport, right, and they have tathlon. 258 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: If you have one event that doesn't go as you'd hoped, 259 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: you don't really have the time to linger in that disappointment. Right, 260 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 2: So talk to me a little bit about how you've 261 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: gotten better at rolling with the punches and allowing yourself 262 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: to say, I need to pick myself back up because 263 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: we've got to go. 264 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: It's go time. 265 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 266 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely a skill that I had 267 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: to learn and like you have to train at, like 268 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: you need to train your brain at that legitimately. 269 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: And I think looking. 270 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: Back at my past experience, as I see all those 271 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: times where it's like I was down in the dumps 272 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: or I was having terrible practices and I have to 273 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: pull myself out, and you can of have to take 274 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: those and learn those where it's like, Okay, I've done 275 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: this before, I can do it again, Like nobody's coming 276 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: to save you, nobody's coming to fix your high jump 277 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: or fix your long jump, like you need to do 278 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: this yourself, and like you've done it before and you 279 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: can do it again. So I think that's how I 280 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: pull myself out is just looking forward. And then also 281 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: the compartmentalization is huge, where it's like if I'm at 282 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: long jump and it goes terribly, I need to leave 283 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: it there. And then now I'm going to hurdles, and 284 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: I need to hurdle the best that I can, because 285 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: once you start blurring those lines, it's. 286 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: You're kind of just. 287 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Throwing too many variables in where it's like I don't 288 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: want to I don't want my hurdle performance to be 289 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: on the whim of how I felt about long jump earlier. 290 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: You want to be in control of every single thing 291 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: that you're doing, especially if you're chasing this big goal. 292 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: It's it's not going to happen to me, like I 293 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: need to go do it. 294 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: I often find that when things start to click in 295 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: one area of our life, then we start to see 296 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: the payoff across other aspects of our life. Would you 297 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: say when it came to things clicking within training, obviously 298 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: coming out victorious after World Champs, that you started to 299 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: feel that sense of alignment across all aspects of your life. 300 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would, I definitely would. 301 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: I think your mental state just affects so much, and 302 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: so post Olympics, when I'm in this like super down state, 303 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: it's like, of course, other areas of my life like 304 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: aren't as good because it's like I'm not as good, 305 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm coming into every single situation negatively 306 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and down and all of that. And then on the 307 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: back end it's going into Tokyo even like before it happened, 308 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: was I super nervous and freaking out? Yes, But also 309 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: I was so confident, like I knew. I was like, no, 310 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm ready this time. And That's how I felt about 311 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: everything else in my life too, where I'm approaching it 312 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: like I trust myself, I can do this, so across 313 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: all areas decision making, even in off the track things 314 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: or business things things like that really just comes down 315 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: to like I had a good relationship with myself, and 316 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: I trusted the way that I was moving through life. 317 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, can we talk a little bit about maybe the 318 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: business side of things if you're okay with that, Like 319 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: getting to this place where you are having to advocate 320 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: for yourself, you are stepping into rooms that you've never 321 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: been in. You gain more and more notoriety and fame 322 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: with the more and more success that you see at 323 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: the track and on the field. How has that felt 324 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: for you and what's been the most challenging part. 325 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: It's been a whirlwind, and I think it's it's a 326 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: blessing for sure, but it's also something that I don't 327 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: think anybody's really ready for when it happens or when 328 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: you start doing it, because like my whole life out 329 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: imagined what it was like to win and track and 330 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: all of this, and like you don't imagine the business 331 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: side of things off the track. And I think it 332 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: forced me to grow up quickly, maybe, I would say, 333 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: because it's like you turn pro after your junior year 334 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: of college and then you're like a real adult. 335 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: It's not like slow phase into adulthood. 336 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: You know. It's like now you're making decisions, like you're 337 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: hiring people and things like that. 338 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: And not necessarily ready to do that. But it's made 339 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: me grow in a lot of ways that I'm super 340 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: happy about. 341 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think the hardest part was not wanting to 342 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: people please, because I think at the beginning, I was like, Okay, 343 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: I just I want to say yes to everything. I 344 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: want everyone that I work with to really like me, 345 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and like I'll just like want to make everything work. 346 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: And then I kind of just sit down with my 347 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: team and be like, no, like this needs to be intentional, 348 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: like I'm setting up a brand or like there's little 349 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: girls looking up to me, and so it's like I 350 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: want to be very picky about, you know, opportunities that 351 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: you say yes to or why you're saying yes to them, 352 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: and it's not just about you know, money all the time. 353 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: So I think for me, that's something that was the 354 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: hardest thing to kind of like actually let myself do. 355 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: But I'm happy with the way that we've been able 356 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: to do that because I think every single one of 357 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: my partnerships like they truly like I use the product, 358 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: I use some line of the product, like they mean 359 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: a lot to me, Like there's reasons that like my 360 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: values align with those brands, and so yeah. 361 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: I'm super thankful for them. 362 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: Like, and I've had a lot of fortunate long term 363 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: partnerships that kind of cover multiple areas of life, Like 364 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: literally with Cross and new Low, it's like I got 365 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: to do a partnership that's focused on nutrition, which is 366 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: something that I'm focused on all the time, and then 367 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: taking care of my dog. And it's really cool to 368 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: do those opportunities of things that I actually use and 369 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: are actually meaningful to me. 370 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're a miss if we didn't say that. 371 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: Cross is pretty cute, So it's not surprising to me 372 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: that someone wanted to work with him. 373 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 4: Yes, I know, he's my handsome boy. I work up 374 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 4: way too much when people say that. 375 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: But they're like, big, I know, I can take credit 376 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: for him as my son. 377 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: What would you say the role is that Cross plays 378 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: in your day to day when it comes to helping 379 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: you stay grounded, especially being in and out of training 380 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: and traveling quite a bit. 381 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: He just calms me down because it's like there's a 382 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: part of my day that's like just for us. It's 383 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: like in the morning we walk like I jet off 384 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: to the track, I come back at lunch for hanging 385 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: out and then I jet off to the track again 386 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: and we go play fetch at night, or sometimes he 387 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: comes along with me, and I think he just helps 388 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: pull me out of the endless cycle of like, Okay, 389 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: what do I do next for track? What do I 390 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: do next for track? And so he breaks that up 391 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: so well, because you just never know what you're going 392 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: to get you thoughts. You know, he's super well trained, 393 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: but you know some days he's super silly and goofy, 394 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: and other days he wants to do this, and so 395 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: he just adds such a nice variable to my day 396 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: to make it just lighter instead of it always just 397 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: being track track track. 398 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: Ah, track track track, But there is a lot of track. 399 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: In your day today. You mentioned going to and from 400 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: the track twice. Teptathlon a quite intricate event, much more 401 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: intricate than say, if you were just running the four 402 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: undermeter hurdles. So give us a snapshot of what training 403 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: typically looks like you, because there's a lot to integrate. 404 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, Typically I train from in the morning, 405 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: usually like nine to about one or two, and then 406 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: I'll break for lunch, sometimes have a second session at 407 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: the track and then waits after so always at least 408 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: always pretty much at least to two a day every 409 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: day except for Sunday. So it really is a nine 410 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: to five. I came from Hurdles actually, it was just 411 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: fitting for the podcast name. 412 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: And I'll be back in the weight room after this. 413 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: So it really is kind of like a full time job, 414 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: and which I love and I love being outside. I 415 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: feel like I get to play outside as my job. 416 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 4: It's the best thing. Ever. It just takes so much 417 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: time that sometimes you're like, Okay, I need. 418 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: To like fit in a meeting here or this and that, 419 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: and like you're like when do I do that? 420 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 4: Because like practice, you never really know when it's going 421 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 4: to end exactly. It just it's done when it's done. 422 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: So it's a. 423 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Huge time commitment. It's a lot on the body, a 424 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: lot on the mind. But like I wouldn't trade it 425 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: for anything. 426 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: Because you have been injured before, and they were pretty 427 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: large injuries. Do you find that you're able to let 428 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: that go and be present in your body as it 429 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 2: is now or does that stick with you? 430 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: I think both. 431 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: I think they stick with you in some way or another, 432 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: no matter what. And I think like my foot stuck 433 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: with me and I ended up growing stronger because of it, 434 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: but it's like it still sticks with you. And I 435 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: think the hardening process of having to force yourself to 436 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: do things you don't feel ready to do when you're 437 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: as you're rehabing back or first starting to test it out, 438 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: like that's what really sticks with you, where you're like, okay, like, 439 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: no matter how afraid I am of putting my foot 440 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: down or it's gonna hurt actually, and I have to 441 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: do it anyway. You did that, and I think that 442 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: kind of hardens you a little bit in a good. 443 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: Way, and that applicable well beyond track and field. 444 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 445 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really just makes you realize that you need 446 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable to grow, Like that's what all of 447 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: training is, whether you're healthy or not, but especially when 448 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: you're unhealthy, Like it's not going to not hurt when 449 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: you're coming back, even if you're going as slow as 450 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: you're supposed to go, Like you're doing something, you're asking 451 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: something new of your body, you're asking it to adapt, 452 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: you're asking it to heal, and it needs to be 453 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: pushed in order to do that, which I think I've 454 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: definitely taken and applied to other areas of my life 455 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: because it really just is true across the board. 456 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: It's so true across the board, and I think that 457 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: vulnerability is really special. Now you mentioned the vulnerability of 458 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: your injury story really helping others to get through their 459 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: own injuries. What would you say has been maybe the 460 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: most surprising thing that a follower has come to talk 461 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: to you about, considering your story and how open you've been. 462 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: Probably other people who have been injured like coming to me. 463 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I guess that wasn't that surprising since it was an injury, 464 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: so it's like super applicable. But there been like moms 465 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: or people that have like messaged me that are like, oh, 466 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: I think about you on my runs because it was 467 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: like if you could do it, and you were your 468 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: knee was hurting, like I can do it too, And 469 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: so I think that the fact that people are really 470 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: some people are thinking about me as their motivation really 471 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: is surprising, just because you never feel like you're gonna 472 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: be on the other side of it. 473 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 4: Because I still have people. 474 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: That I think about when I'm running, So that part 475 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: has been really humbling and really really cool. 476 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: Honestly, who does Anna think about when she's running? 477 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of times, Actually my competitors not as like, well, 478 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I am inspired by them, but I'm not like, oh, 479 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: like I want to be like them. But I think 480 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: about and I'm like, Okay, I need to prepare. 481 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: Myself to beat this person. 482 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: So that and it's like I have a lot of 483 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: respect for them, so preparing to beat you is not easy. 484 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: I need to die today on the track in order 485 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 4: to do that. 486 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: But so I think about my competitors a lot, and 487 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: then a lot of times it ends up being Jackie Joiner, 488 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: Cursey or some other people that I've looked up to 489 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: in the sport. Just thinking about where I'm like, Okay, 490 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: the heights that she got to, I can only imagine 491 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: what her practices were like. And so it's I don't 492 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: get to fall into that pattern of like this is 493 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: the hardest practice in the whole world. Like the pity 494 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: is me, Like this is so hard, I don't know 495 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: if I can do it. I'm like, somebody's definitely done 496 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: this before, Like she's definitely done what I'm doing before, 497 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: and like she made it out on the other side 498 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: alive to tell about it and with great success. So 499 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: I think of her and kind of just imagining the 500 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: types of training that she would have had to endure. 501 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched that really special package that NBC put 502 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: together on the two of you leading into the Olympics 503 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: last year, and I was sitting there thinking to myself, 504 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: how mind blowing it must be for someone that's still 505 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: just so much in the prime of their athleticism in 506 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: their career to be able to have that time with 507 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: someone who paved the way. We hear it all the time. 508 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: In order to be her, you need to see her 509 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: and you have her as a standing example. When I 510 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: say that to you in the context of that you 511 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: are her for other people, how does that make you feel? 512 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. 513 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say that, like I'm like, 514 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I gotta I've got ways to go. But no, that 515 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: is so crazy to think about. And I think I 516 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: was actually talking to Davis about this a few weeks 517 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: ago that like, it does make me laugh sometimes when 518 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: people like pray to win the gold medal, and I 519 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: was like, I remember thinking that, and so I prayed 520 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: at the beginning of my career that I was like, 521 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: I hope my career inspires people, And in hindsight, I 522 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: should have prayed to win the gold medal because I 523 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: think there's all these. 524 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 4: Like hiccups along the way that it's like God is 525 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: using transpiration, but I'm like, I wanted to. 526 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: Go medal, but no, it really, it really is crazy 527 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: because it makes almost all those injuries, like I don't 528 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: want to say it like makes it worth it, but 529 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: it kind of does because through those I have seen 530 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: like my story reach so many people that it probably 531 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't have if like my career just had this perfect 532 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: upward trajectory along the way, or if you're just like 533 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: this crazy prodigy and you win everything and you never 534 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: have a setback. And so I think having such public 535 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: setbacks and then being able to overcome them is really 536 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: what's kind of gotten through to other people. And that 537 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: part is really special to me because it's like it 538 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: was so hard, and I know that other people have 539 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: things in their lives that are so hard. So if 540 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: I can be a source of inspiration during those times, 541 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: are a little bit of motivation of like okay, she 542 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: did it too, Like that really means the world to 543 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: me because yeah, I've been. 544 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: There, Yeah you've been there, and again doing it all 545 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: in public. I can't even imagine how difficult that has 546 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: to be. At times, you mentioned your relatively new fiance 547 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: Darius also a public part of your life. How does 548 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: it feel to share that part of your life publicly? 549 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 4: That part it's a little weird sometimes. 550 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: I think when we first started dating, it was like 551 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: I was scared to like, you want. 552 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 4: To make sure you're sure before, like the public knows, 553 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 4: so does meet. 554 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: But we were slow to post each other and things 555 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: like that, which is kind of just weird thing to 556 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: think about, where it's like, Okay, most people who are dating, 557 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: it's like only your close circle kind of knows. It's like, okay, 558 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: you went on a few dates so and so and like, 559 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: but the public obviously, like they keep count and score 560 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: and so it's like, Okay, I'm gonna be associated with 561 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: this person for a long time. So it was a 562 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: little scary honestly at the beginning, But once we were 563 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: sure about each other, it's kind of just a fact 564 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: of the matter. I feel like we don't think about 565 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: it much, and you know, we share like fun moments 566 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: with each other, and it's like I'm not gonna just 567 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: because we're in the public eye, Like I don't want 568 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: to not post you, like I'm proud to be with you, 569 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: and you know, if I was anybody else in my life, 570 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: like I would be loving you out loud. So that 571 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: was definitely something for me. I was like, no, we're 572 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: not doing the like secret thing, like I will talk 573 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: about you and that's fine. Yeah, And because I know 574 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: my mom, she. 575 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: Was always like just be careful, like you know, she's scared. 576 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: And so I think for us, it really hasn't made 577 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: too much of a difference. I think it can be 578 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: a little weird, like people make comments and stuff sometimes, 579 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: but most of how we've been received has been super 580 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: nice and people are super encouraging, and yeah, hopefully like 581 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: our relationship can also be a tool that like reaches 582 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: other people. And I think he's inspired some people in 583 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: track world that he's gotten to talk to and vice versas, 584 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: like I get to be around people in football world, 585 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: so that part's really fun. 586 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: In football world, it's uh, I'm like, what criticisms do 587 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: these people have of two like wonderful humans finding each other? 588 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: Do you never know? 589 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: You know, the internet is like a nasty place, and 590 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: you know people don't always know like what's going on 591 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. And I mean, we really haven't had 592 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: to endure too much Internet hate. 593 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 4: But it's just always a possibility. 594 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, there's comments things that are always out there. 595 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: So of course are nice, So football fans, I mean 596 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: all fans. There's questions in all arenas of sport. You 597 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: mentioned your mom. Both of your parents super active and 598 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 2: athletes themselves. What was the most challenging part about that 599 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: for you as you stepped into being a professional athlete. 600 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: There wasn't too much of a challenge, I would say 601 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: so that, Like, I think my parents just knew what 602 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: I was getting into, which was great. So I think 603 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: they just knew how to support me. Yeah, I don't 604 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: know that I would say that there was like a 605 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: challenging part of that. I didn't feel like I was 606 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: ever in anyone else's footsteps but my own. But I 607 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: feel like my family really just understood how to support me. 608 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you have the biggest expectations for 609 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: yourself out of anyone? 610 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: Definitely sometimes, I think I guess the hardest part is 611 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: that it's like everybody's kind of watching you do this. 612 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: So you feel like my coaches, my family, like my team, 613 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: they just know so much about me that like you 614 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: can feel like you're under a microscope, like very quickly 615 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: where it's like we all talk about you know, we 616 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: all talk about nutrition, we all talk about like how 617 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Anna's mental today, and it's like, that's not really normal. 618 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: I kind of had to realize where like most people 619 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: like go and go to work and tickeet to go home, 620 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, people might notice you're a little 621 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: grumpy one day or whatever, but it's like, oh, if 622 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: something's going on in my life, it's like everybody knows. 623 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: Everybody's hands on deck, which is incredible because I'm so 624 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: well loved and like well supported, but also sometimes you're 625 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: like okay, guys like. 626 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: Get away from you get alone, which is also usually 627 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 4: not true. 628 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think my family understood that really really well, 629 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. 630 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, very helpful. Anna's mental. 631 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: It's something that I've always been so impressed by you, 632 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: especially because you've taken it upon yourself to share a 633 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: lot of your journaling practices and stuff, whether it be 634 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: on your Instagram or talked about them in interviews. I 635 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: want to learn about the tools that you've developed and 636 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: where they came from. So journaling, for instance, how do 637 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: you journal and how how do you find that that 638 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: helps you when it comes to both your just mental 639 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: state and your performance within sport. 640 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: I have like my Track journal and then I have 641 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: my life journal, and they're different books. But for Track, 642 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: I only write down good things. I think that's something. 643 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 4: I don't know where I picked that up along the way, 644 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: but I remember when I told my coach that, she 645 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: was like, wait, that's smart, and I was like, I 646 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: guess it is. 647 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: But so I only write down things that I want 648 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: to remember or want to do again, I want to feel. 649 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: So I don't write in it every day, because not 650 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: every day is they're a nugget, But so whenever there's 651 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: a really good session or a feeling I want to 652 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: remember kind of a mentality I want to embody. I 653 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: see a little nugget of a quote somewhere or something like, 654 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: I'll write that down and then I use it the 655 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: night before competition to kind of write down my three 656 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: cues for each event and then kind of mantras or 657 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: how I want to feel the next day. Like I 658 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: feel like I write my mindset for track day into 659 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: existence the night before. It's like tomorrow I will be 660 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: thinking that like I am the best whatever there is 661 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: in the whole world, whether or not that's true at 662 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: the moment or not. It's like I wrote that down 663 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: because it's like that's how I am approaching the day. 664 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 4: And then my. 665 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: Life journal really is just kind of a collection of 666 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: random thoughts and usually like reflections. I feel like a 667 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of it's self reflection, noticing areas where I can grow, 668 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: and writing down like kind of a lot of prayers 669 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: or things that I can apply to my life. 670 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the only good things, and I really 671 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: appreciate the attention to detail and writing down the form 672 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: cues because oftentimes, in my experience, process related goals can 673 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: go out the window when you're so worried about an 674 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: outcome goal. Do you feel like this detailed journaling is 675 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: what allows you to focus on both Yeah. 676 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think score wise, it's funny like I'll 677 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: write down my long term goal in like the weight 678 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: room on my weight room card, like it's written down somewhere, 679 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: it's on my mirror in the bathroom, But like in 680 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: my journal, really there is no like score seven thousand 681 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: points or break the world record, Like that's not in there. 682 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: It's really the steps along the way that are in there. 683 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: So like in one hundred hurdles. I'm like, Okay, these 684 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: are the three things I need to do to run fast, 685 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: and I write those down. And then sometimes I'll write 686 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: down like, Okay, at bare minimum, I need to run 687 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: faster than this. And it's a very realistic goal. It's 688 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: not pushing it. It's kind of like even if you're 689 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: having a bad day, like you should run at least that, 690 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: And that's what I write down. And then after the 691 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: event's over, I get to exit off and because it's 692 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: a realistic goal, nine times out of ten, I get 693 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: to adjust it up, which is a great feeling during 694 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: the multi because it's like I feel like I'm gaining ground. 695 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 4: And so I think the small. 696 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: Goals are way more important to write down than the 697 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: big ones because it's like I know what I'm trying 698 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: to do. 699 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: I know I'm trying to win. I don't need to 700 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 4: write that down. 701 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 702 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's also transferred over to life 703 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: and maybe even segued at times into the life journal a. 704 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: Little bit, because it's like some things are just it's 705 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: it's obvious, like writing down like I want to be 706 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: a winner today doesn't necessarily like it's like how do 707 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: you do that? 708 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 4: You know? 709 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: So I think that has like segued into life where 710 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: I write down like okay, like this is what you 711 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: know I'm looking to add in this area of my life, 712 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: or I'll write down like okay, these are the things 713 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: like before I take on a new commitment, like this 714 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: is what I want to evaluate and stuff like that. 715 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: When you think about what's next. You are a world champion, right, 716 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: what long term goals does Anna have? 717 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? I want to take pride in carrying that title 718 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: in the way that I compete this year, and like 719 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: carry myself even like off the track where I spent 720 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: so long envisioning like what it would take to win 721 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: it and like the type of girl or woman it 722 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: would take to win that, and it's like okay, like 723 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: now it's kind of your time to be that where 724 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: it's like you need to you know, carry it well 725 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: and use it wisely. And I think my biggest goal 726 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: is just to keep chasing improvements because I'm super super 727 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: happy with the win in Tokyo, but ultimately I know 728 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: I could have scored higher there and I think I 729 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: should have so next time around, like I want to 730 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: make sure that it's my actual. 731 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 4: Best on the day. And that's what knock one Wood 732 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: brings home an I'll. 733 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 3: Haul her own. 734 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: Biggest critic I love that question is who is the 735 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: type of person that does the thing that you want 736 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: to achieve? 737 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: Right? So, if I'm. 738 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 2: Thinking of my life and I have a goal that 739 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: I want to own a home in New York City 740 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 2: in twelve to fifteen months, like, who is that person? 741 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 3: Right? What do they need to have? 742 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: And getting very granular like that can be so helpful 743 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: for you. 744 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: Who is a world champion? 745 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think for me that was I thought about 746 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: that a lot last year and in training where I 747 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: was like, okay, you again, you don't just become it, 748 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: you have to earn it. So like I'd be like, okay, 749 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: you need to earn your gold metal moment. Like does 750 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: somebody who's want a world championship title get frustrated after 751 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: their third time of like not understanding the queue or 752 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: do they just do they figure it out? 753 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 4: Do they keep hammering away? 754 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: And so I think applying that to like little decisions 755 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: can be super helpful. And like yeah, even in the 756 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: house example, if you start imagining that, then it's like 757 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: okay when you're starting to make decisions. It's like, does 758 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: the type of person that like buys the house I 759 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: want to buy do this? 760 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 4: Or do they or do they do that? 761 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really helpful way to frame 762 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: decisions and mindsets because for me, I was like, Okay, well, 763 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: the type of person that wins a world championship is 764 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: positive at practice every day, So you need to find 765 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: a way to be positive at practice every day. 766 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 3: Amen. Not always easy, that's for sure. 767 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 2: Now someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a heptathlete, 768 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 2: a world champion. But when you look in the mirror, Anna, 769 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: what do you see looking back at you? 770 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 4: I feel like I see young Anna just I don't 771 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 4: know why. I think I'll always see her. 772 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: But where I was just this like young girl who 773 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: I knew what I wanted to do and I was 774 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: a fighter, but like I didn't know how. So I 775 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: think I like see her where It's like, okay, like 776 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: now we kind of know how, and we need to 777 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: keep shaping it. And I'm sure there's so many areas 778 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: in my life where it's the same thing, like I'm 779 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: I know what I want and I'm going to fight 780 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: for it. 781 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 4: But it's like I don't quite know how yet. 782 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: I don't know quite know how to advocate for myself 783 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: perfectly yet, And so I think I see her and 784 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm just constantly like, Okay, I'm gonna make you proud, 785 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: and like how we figure that out and how we 786 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: go about it. 787 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: It's so special to have that opportunity to like show 788 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: your younger self like, look, we're doing it. 789 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 790 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: Like I have a quote on my mirror that's like 791 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: success is liking yourself, liking what you do and how 792 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: you do it. And so that's something I think I'm 793 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: always going to be trying to make younger. 794 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 4: Anna proud of. 795 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 2: What do you think one of the things that you 796 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 2: like best about yourself is? 797 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: Now? 798 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 4: I think I like my like grit kind of like 799 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 4: stick to it. 800 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: Miss I would say, yeah, I think, yeah, I think 801 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: that's something that like I maybe have like a little 802 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: special gift in because there's just been so many things 803 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 1: thrown my way or so many like bad sessions, hard 804 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: things to learn, and even off the track, like life 805 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: things happening that could have so easily like derailed things 806 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: or just. 807 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 4: Like taking me away. 808 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: But I think, no matter what is going on in 809 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: my life off the track on the track, no matter 810 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: what injury, it's like I always just come back to 811 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: like the work, and so I think, yeah, that's probably 812 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: my fast everything about myself. 813 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 3: The grit, we love it. 814 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: Well, Anna, before I let you go today, final question. 815 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a 816 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 2: piece of advice. Let's go back to that hurdle moment 817 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 2: of breaking your foot. It wasn't easy, but you got 818 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: through it, right, So, knowing what you know, now, what 819 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: would you tell your younger self. 820 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 4: I would tell her it's going to be okay. 821 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: And I think, honestly, I would stick to the advice 822 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: that like that got me through it. I think when 823 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: I finally decided I was going to try and then 824 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: my career wasn't over when I broke my foot at twenty, 825 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: which is crazy to say that I even thought that. 826 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: I just kept telling myself always like, just keep showing up. 827 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: And I think I would just I think I would 828 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: tell myself just keep showing up. 829 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 4: But showing up means doing your best as well. 830 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: But that's a big thing to that. But yeah, I 831 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: was a little bit of both. 832 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, such good advice and so understandable right, This 833 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 2: desire to do your best you can with what you 834 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: have and keep pushing through the moments when it feels 835 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 2: like it's beyond your control. For those that aren't following 836 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: along with you just yet, Anna give us the deeds? 837 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you? 838 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can keep up with me. Probably on Instagram. 839 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 4: I'm most active. 840 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: I think if you search my name, hopefully I come up, 841 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: and then maybe TikTok as well. I go through spouts 842 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: where I'm really active and not so active so but 843 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: sometimes I post my workouts and kind of a little 844 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: just behind the scene things there e ts. 845 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast 846 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered. 847 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 3: I catch you guys next time.