1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: I listened to The Black Guy Who Tips podcast because 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are hot. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Who set a black man in Illuminati? Last time I checked, 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: that was the biggest racist party. Last time I checked, 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: he was racing with Marcus Garvey on the freeway to 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Africa til I wrecked my artie. And I want everybody 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: to view my autopsies so y'all can see exactly what 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: a government has shot me. 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 3: No conspiracy. 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And it's just me 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: and Careen today, no sponsors. I say, we just go 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: ahead and get right into the show. Of course, the 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: biggest news that motherfucking Kendrick drop. Don't to pimp a 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: butterfly Kendrick lamars all I've been listening to all day. 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: If I get behind on your podcast in the next 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: week or so, don't be mad. 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: Blame Kendrick for dropping that straight. 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: Fire as always very deep album already. You know it's 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: more like a project. It's not like it's a concept album. 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see the company and media that 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: goes along with this, because I would be surprised if, 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, the videos and all that stuff don't start 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: having layers to it as well. I probably listened to 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: it about five, maybe six times so far. You know, 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: still marinate know some of it, but some of the 45 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: themes are just so obvious to me, and even some 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: of the stuff that's. 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: Kind of hidden down in there. It's just beautiful. 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: I do like the way that he mixed neo soul 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: with rap in a way that I haven't really experienced 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: it before. You know, I thought that his song with 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: Flying Lotus was a good like it gives you a 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: good indication of where his sound might go, but I 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: wasn't really sold on it. 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: But this album does this transition. 55 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: From almost like spoken word jazz to like a traditional 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: rap album by the end. But it just has this 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: really soul fulfilled you know, a lot of a lot 58 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: of funk, a lot of you know, a lot of 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: horn loops, a lot of instrumentation, jazz is trends. 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I just love it, man. And then the. 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: Overall narrative of the album, which is all about black 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: self love and overcoming survivors guilt and being flawed and 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: like black people loving ourselves and getting our own shit together, 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: which I think is kind of a continuation of the 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: theme of Good Kid, Mass City and even Section eighty 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: to some extent because Kendrick's very much about black community 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: and us loving ourselves. I think now is a tough 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: time to have a message like that, because in the 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: wake of so much controversy racially and then police violence 70 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: against black people, a lot of people aren't ready to 71 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: hear anything that says black people can do anything better 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 2: because typically that is always a distraction. 73 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: From the fact that shit is fucked up for black people. 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: True, but I feel like Kendrick's not concerned with that, 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: and he's not trying to use. 76 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: It as a shield to say everything's okay. 77 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: Black people are their own enemies and they're the problem. 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: But I feel like people took him out of context 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: in that article ran with it, and this album, which 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: is his chosen art form, puts. 81 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: Everything back into context for me. 82 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: You know, especially when you go from the song you, 83 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: which is about self loathing him being in a hotel room, 84 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: you know about to you know, like, you know, talking 85 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: about his own thoughts of suicide and how he feels 86 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: like that he abandoned his hood and his mom and 87 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: all this shit because he's the one who's got the 88 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: had the talent quote unquote to make it out and 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: to you know, returning home on Mama You know to 90 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: Black of the Berry, which is, like I say, the 91 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: angriest song on here, like it's the height of his 92 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: his like like because he returns home and he's looking 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: at home like, man, we gotta do better. And then 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: on I I Think you know, And which is a 95 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: song I like the whole time. I think a lot 96 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: of people shit on that, like he's trying to blow up, dude, 97 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: what kind of song is this? I think I is 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: just that song about loving ourselves. And I think the 99 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: orders of the song on the album matter, just like 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: they did on all the other albums. 101 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of getting closer to. 102 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: The end of that of that character arc where where 103 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: Kendrick's like, now we have to learn to love ourselves 104 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: and then that is what will inspire us to continue on. 105 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: And of course the last track Mortal Man, when she 106 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 2: hits the fan are you still a fan? 107 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 3: With the whole interview that he does. 108 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: With Pac and how each song he's putting together, at 109 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: least in the beginning, he's putting together this question that 110 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: he's gonna ask Pac. This story he's gonna tell him, 111 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: and he's gonna ask this question. They're gonna do this interview. 112 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: Of course, the interview is like obviously an interview from 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: a long time ago with Tupac. I think it's from 114 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety four. But it's cool how he makes 115 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: it seem like they're having a conversation at the end, 116 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: and when he says we says the the butterfly caterpillar metaphor, 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: and then he asked Pac what's his thoughts on that? 118 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: And there's no answer. It just hit like it just 119 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: like hits you in. 120 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: The chest, like damn, that brother got taken out by 121 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: another brother, Like you know, that's not the police killing 122 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Tupac or whatever, like that's stupid shit that led to 123 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: him dying. And it brings the whole album back home 124 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: to this idea of like, you know, we have to 125 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: not kill ourselves. We have to do better, you know 126 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: what I mean. And I don't think the album is 127 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: like do better because then the white Man or the 128 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, it's just we have to do better 129 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: loving ourselves, because if we don't love us, nobody's gonna 130 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: love us. Like what are the only people that care 131 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: about ourselves? And the album's so full of self love 132 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: and it's tragic in a way, but it's it's beautiful 133 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: that way. So I love the album so far. I 134 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: know you just started. I mean it came out of midnight. 135 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: I listened to this shit like four times before I 136 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: went to bed. 137 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to be an adult and take my 138 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: ass to sleep, like I like, because the thing about 139 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: it is that, uh, because I was up, you know, 140 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: after the walking down and all that stuff, you know, 141 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: trying to wind down, and you know, twelve one o'clock 142 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I just see kin you 143 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: Kinchuku cunch going up in the mind. 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: I know his album was coming out soon, but I 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 5: didn't know when, and I was like, oh, the album 146 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 5: must be out. And then Spotify. 147 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: Is the devil because I was like, oh, let me 148 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: go see if Spotify got it, cause you know, sometimes 149 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: shit come out and it don't immediately go on Spotify. 150 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 5: They might take a few days. Spotify was like, no, 151 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 5: you know you want this, and here's all of it? 152 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 5: So I say, yes, yes, please, Yeah. 153 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: So I uploaded all of it and then I stared 154 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: at it for one complete hour before I press play 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: and just took my ass to sleep because I was like, if. 156 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: I so you did press play? 157 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, oh, so you right, you stayed 158 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: at one hour and didn't breast play No. 159 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 4: I just watched all y'all go up and down the 160 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 4: timeline put at this. 161 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 5: If I did hit play, I had to stop it. 162 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 5: I stopped. I think I pressed and was like, oh, nope, dope, stop, 163 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 5: stop stop. 164 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: I honestly thought they were gonna I listened to it 165 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: so much last night because I honestly thought I would 166 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: wake up in the morning they were gonna take it down, right, 167 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: because it released a week before it's supposed to come out, 168 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: and Kendrick tweeted something that sounded like the Ship wasn't 169 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,359 Speaker 2: supposed to have come out. 170 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: So I was like, well, let. 171 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: Me save all these songs to my hard drive because 172 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm assuming I'm waking up in the morning Kendrick is gone, right. 173 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: And the thing about it is that it released on iTunes, 174 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: it released on Spotify. 175 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 5: iTunes had the clean version, Spotify had. 176 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: The real version, and it was one of those things 177 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: where people was partying and I was highly upset and 178 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: very mad and just felt like I was on goddamn 179 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 4: punishment because I was like, fuck, I gotta go to work, 180 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: because I was like, if I stay up. I knew 181 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: I was not going to go to work this morning 182 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 4: because I'd probably stay up to like two, three. 183 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: Four in the morning. You know, just listen listening to it. 184 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 4: It's called being responsible people being an adults suck at times, 185 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: and so for me, I listened to it while I 186 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: was at work, so not a whole lot of work 187 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: got done. 188 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 5: While I was actually on the job. I was I've only. 189 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 4: Listened to it straight through one time, and I know 190 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 4: tomorrow probably to do it over and over and over again. 191 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: The album from just one listening through is very emotional. 192 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 5: I went on an emotional roller coaster. 193 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 4: With him and through his thoughts and through his feelings 194 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: and through his emotions and through his struggles, and. 195 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 5: You know how his mind goes. 196 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: And from the first song, you immediately know that you're 197 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: gonna get something different, Like I was like, oh this, 198 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: this is not going to be the same thing, and. 199 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: That's very jazzy. I think. 200 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: Also, if you're looking for good kid mad City Park 201 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: to you're gonna be disappointed. But that's the kind of 202 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: progression that I prefer the artist that I'm a fan of, 203 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: Like Outcast albums don't sound alike to me. You know, 204 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: try call quest albums don't sound alike to me. I 205 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: like that where you can take me to a period 206 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: of that person's catalog and I'm just like, oh yeah, 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: that was this period of time for them, and then 208 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: their sound changed because they didn't want to do the 209 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: same thing. And the influences that he allowed onto this record, 210 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: you know from you know, D'Angelo as far as like 211 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: the sound George Clinton is actually on the album, but. 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: Loild is on the album. 213 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: Like you can just hear the neo soul shit, the 214 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: King Konta. You can feel like the James Brown in it, 215 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: you know, from the way that he does, the kind 216 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: of call and response thing, you know, with the how 217 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: on Revenge I'm Big Payback. I mean, James Brown is 218 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: like you know, I won't read you know that kind 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: of shit, Like you can you can hear it, and 220 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: it's just so beautiful, man. Like the dude just is 221 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 2: a thinker, man, and I'm a thinker. And this is 222 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: the kind of album for a person like me. I 223 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: don't think very much hip hop comes out that it 224 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: is for a person like me who is very much 225 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: into lyricism, very much into thoughtfulness, very much into getting 226 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: into the nuance and trying to figure out the direction 227 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: of stuff. 228 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,239 Speaker 3: I think it'll take a long time. 229 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: For like a lot if if it all for a 230 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: lot of just casual listeners and a lot of people 231 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: that listen to like, well, I want to just have 232 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: good beats and I just want this. 233 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: Not that there aren't great beats on here. 234 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: The production is great, but I'm just saying for people 235 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: that want to go past that to just like, you know, like, 236 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: hey man, I'll just throw in this and all I 237 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: want to hear some beats. I feel like it might 238 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: not catch them, but it definitely caught me right away. True. 239 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: And I think for me, I like the fact that 240 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: it was different. I like the fact that it was 241 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: not the same. I like the fact that you can 242 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: tell Kendrick is a very creative like his mind is 243 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 4: very creative, and he was allowed to flourish because it's 244 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 4: rare that within such a short period of time you 245 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: come out with albums like he has, and each one 246 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: is very different, each one is very telling, each one 247 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: tells a story, and each one is from his heart 248 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: because and and and it's very rare for me speaking person, 249 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: it's very rare that somebody raps and you can. 250 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 5: Literally feel them through the words that they're saying. 251 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 4: Because one of the one particular song, because I say, 252 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: I haven't really got a chance to sit down and 253 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: learn that the titles and anything, but one particular song, 254 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: he was talking and you could just tell the pain 255 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: and that distrade in his voice and that he was 256 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: just in such a dark place and he clanked some 257 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: ice and like hit a bottle. 258 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 5: I was like, well, god, damn, next thing. 259 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 6: I know. 260 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 5: I was in tense because it was like, even. 261 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: Though it was that's you and that's the second verse 262 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: on you, when he's drunk, when the housekeeping lady comes by, 263 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: he doesn't answer because he's in there basically drunk and 264 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: thinking about you know, suicide and how weak he is 265 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: and survivor's guilt and how he left his hood behind 266 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: and all that shit. 267 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's it's a deep album. 268 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: I think most people are very you know, simple, Yes 269 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: they are. So it's just very much you know, you know, 270 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: people are just very like I want a hot take 271 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: and then I'm walking away from this album. 272 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, I love it. 273 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: He doesn't make, he doesn't Kendrick doesn't make. But like this, 274 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: can you make albums that you have to listen to 275 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: over and over and over and over again. And like 276 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: you said, a lot of people are very simple in 277 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: their music. And well, I'm not a bad thing out 278 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 4: of society. 279 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: Now. 280 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: You know how many people called him a coon because 281 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: of excerpt from a fucking interview, you know what I mean, 282 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: as if an interview is his chosen form of communication, 283 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: as if correct, as if you can't just go play 284 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: a fucking album and be like, oh well, that puts 285 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: a lot of this ship in context. You know, shame 286 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: on you, you know what I mean, Like it's that simple 287 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: to fall for that game, to to fall for the 288 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: for the for the okie dokee of like this nigga 289 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: don Lemon. Now it's like that, like that kind of 290 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: ship is just so see through, and but that's what 291 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: people want to do. You know, there was a picture 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: someone had a long time ago of It's a it's 293 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: a picture of Tupac as like a cartoon picture obviously 294 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: of Tupac. 295 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: Is like an adult and Kendrick as a kid. 296 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: And uh, the Kendrick is basically like looking at Tupac 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: almost as if, you know, like he's gonna walk over 298 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: to him or something like like almost when you put 299 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: your heads out and play paddy Cake or something right, 300 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: and then then the shadows they had these little crowns 301 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: on their shadows. And when I saw that picture, I 302 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: was like, man, because it came out before the. 303 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: Album, I was like, yeah, album. 304 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I understand there's a group of people that 305 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: are just pressed to be like Kendrick is Tupac, and 306 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: I don't see it that way. I think Kendrick is 307 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: actually better than Tupac, but I don't like, I don't 308 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: see it as like them, but I do see him 309 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: as being inspired by Tupac. 310 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: He said before he wants to be the mind that. 311 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: Tupac sparked, because Tupac said, I want to I might 312 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: not be the the person that changes the world, but 313 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: I want to spark the mind that changes the world. 314 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: So I can see the inspiration there. And like, that 315 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: picture just was so cool to me. And you know, 316 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: I had a couple of people that were like, like 317 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: clowning the picture and shit, like niggas think he Tupac 318 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: and shit, Now maybe that's what people are arguing. I'm 319 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: not privy to that argument. I don't, but that I 320 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: think that's the kind of high take shit people want. 321 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: It's like when they come away from it like this 322 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: Nigga ain't no Tupac. It's like, well, if in the 323 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: context of my tweet which said hashtag to Pimp. 324 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: A Butterfly. 325 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: It it goes perfectly with the narrative of the album 326 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: because at the end he interviews Tupac, so like it's 327 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: but that's not a hot enough take because then you 328 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: would have had to listen to the album, right if 329 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: you would have had to understand, you know that you 330 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: need to put all those little phrases together into the 331 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: first question that he asked POC, which I actually listened 332 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: the album last night, and I actually like typed it 333 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: out on my Facebook page cause, you know, as I 334 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: was working, because I you know, I was like, let 335 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: me work if I'm gonna be in this office all night. 336 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: As I was working, you know, I was typing out 337 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: the phrases after each song and adding them up into 338 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: the whole like Stanza that he had before he asked 339 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: park that question, and it was like, you know that 340 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: shiit to me was so was so cool and thoughtful 341 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: and to be able to like take that picture and 342 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: be like damn, Yo, have a Webey Jeff moment where 343 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, this ship meant all this back then, 344 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: like that's dope, and instead you get nigga ain't no 345 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: tupac uh you know what I mean? 346 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 5: Right? 347 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: Stuff like that. It just irritates me because when it 348 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: comes to music one and this is just my personal 349 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: opinion about Kendrick, you know how you have some people 350 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 4: they're doing what they're meant to do, and I feel 351 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: like this is what he's meant to do, like this 352 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: is his thing. 353 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: And I can't wait. By the way, well he starts 354 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: doing these songs live, Oh it's man is jazzy instrumentation 355 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: and ship nigga, you know. 356 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: What he I won't go to a concert like like 357 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: that lived everybody say he's a he's awesome live, and. 358 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: I know this ship particularly live though, it's gonna because 359 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: it's got so much stuff that can like it's studio sound, 360 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: but it can be enhanced, like he could actually release 361 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: a live album. 362 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: Of this album, yes, and it would be dope. 363 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: Like the live version of I actually sounds better than 364 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: fucking I. Yes it does, and it don't even have 365 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: all the words on it, like no he skips parts. 366 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: He has a little interlou where he like addresses the 367 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: crowd in it like it's so dope. 368 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've heard I and what I heard it live, 369 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, this sounds like a 370 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 4: completely different song, and just hearing it live, I was like, 371 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 4: I could have heard the whole album live, Like he 372 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: could have just get the whole album live like that 373 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 4: and I would have been satisfied. 374 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: I'll say this much though, the most. 375 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: The thing I'll take away from this album the most 376 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: is this is why I don't listen to niggas because 377 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: people would have had you thinking Kendrick Lamar hate black 378 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: people or that he resents being black or something like that. 379 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 2: And there ain't been an album in a minute that 380 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: love black people like this, you know what I mean, 381 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: Like on some real shit, this is an album that 382 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: it almost hearkens back to Watch the Throne, where like, 383 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: actually I would say it goes further. It goes one 384 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: step further than Watch the Throne. He wrapped this album 385 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: like no white person is ever going to hear it now. 386 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. Obviously, white people love Kendrick and they're 387 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: gonna listen to it and they're gonna but it's like 388 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: it ain't for them, it's not for them, Like it's 389 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: just not it's he's not even thinking about white people 390 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 2: on this album, and I don't mean it. 391 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, fuck white people. 392 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: But just listening to it, you can hear that he's 393 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: not trying to explain anything to them. He's not trying 394 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: to He don't want to be respected by them. He 395 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: doesn't care if you're insulted by his topics. This is 396 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: an album strictly about the black experience and black love 397 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: and his experience in his life, and that shit is. 398 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: So dope, like complexion, you know what I mean. 399 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: Like sometimes I feel like people take a lot of 400 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: time to try try to sit down and explain shit 401 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: to the white audience, like this is what this means, 402 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: white people, and this is what that means, and can't 403 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: you understand that we just want to be people like you, 404 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: And like his shit was like, fuck them, let's talk 405 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: about us, Let's talk about our experience. 406 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: And I respect that shit so much, man, right. 407 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 5: Because our experience does matter. And it's just one of those. 408 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: Things where he was like why waste my time, water 409 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: and shit down, why waste my time trying to explain, 410 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: because it's just one of those things where our experiences. 411 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 5: Is a story, and our story. 412 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: Doesn't have to be diluted, it doesn't have to be 413 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 4: watered down, it doesn't have to be catered in a 414 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: certain way to people because other stories I told us unfiltered, 415 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: and that's not a problem with that. But for some reason, 416 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: when our stories I told unfiltered, just like we are, 417 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: it becomes a problem. 418 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 5: So then it's one of those things where you rarely. 419 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: Get people who just be like, look, this is my 420 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: motherfucking story from my perspective and my point of view. 421 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: Here you go, yeah, but yeah that and when you 422 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: put it all together, I think he even says it again, 423 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: I can probably play it. 424 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: He says it again in the last song with the Man. 425 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: But when you put everything together into that last question, 426 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: that first question asked Tupac. 427 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 7: When you say, like A using your influence the depression, 428 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 7: if nigga, let me ask this. 429 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 5: Question, nig. 430 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: Like, this is what I ended up typing out on 431 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: my Facebook page. 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 7: I remember you was conflicted, it's using your influence. Sometimes 433 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 7: I did the same Afuse in my power full of recentent, 434 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 7: the sentiment that turned into a deep depression, found myself 435 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 7: screaming in the hotel room. I didn't want to self destruct. 436 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 7: The evil Lucy's all around. 437 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: And all this shit. By the way, all this shit 438 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: is like. 439 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: Songs on the album, so like all the after every 440 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: two sentences, that's a song that was like, you're making 441 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: songs about all this shit. And I figured out last night, Lucy, 442 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: I believe it's lucifer like for evil, because that's every 443 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: time the firs the looseifer some type of temptation. 444 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 7: So so I went running for answers until I came home. 445 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 7: But that didn't stop survive as guilt, going back and forth, 446 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 7: trying to convince myself the stripes I earned or maybe 447 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 7: how a one my foundation was. But while my loved 448 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 7: ones was fighting a continuous war back in the city, 449 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 7: I was entering the new one, a war that was 450 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 7: based on apart time and discrimination. Maybe want to go 451 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 7: back to the city and tell the homies what I learned. 452 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: The word was respect. 453 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 7: Just because you wore a different game color than mind 454 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 7: doesn't mean I can't respect you as a black man 455 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 7: forgetting all the pain it hurt we caused each other 456 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 7: in these streets. If I respect you. We unified and 457 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 7: stopped the enemy from killing us. But I don't know. 458 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 5: I'm no mortal man. Maybe I'm just another nigga. 459 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: Shit. 460 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: And that's all I wrote. 461 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 7: I was gonna call it another nigga, but it ain't 462 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 7: really a poem. I just felt like it's something you 463 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 7: probably could relate to other than that. Now that I 464 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 7: finally got a chance to high let you, I always 465 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 7: wanted to ask you about a certain situation, about a metaphor. 466 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 7: Actually you spoke on the ground. What you mean by that, 467 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 7: what the ground represents. 468 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: The ground is gonna open up and swallow the evil, right, 469 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: That's how I see it. My word is boring. 470 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: Man. 471 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: My chest got so tight when I heard pop Voice. 472 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I forgot I missed that, dude, Man, 473 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: I just forgot that how tragic that was when that happened. 474 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, man, So anyway, you know, I think because 475 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: of the discussions that people have been having online and 476 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: the clashes and the trolling and the racism and ship 477 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: that we've been facing, I feel like when people just hear, like, 478 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: you know, just the idea of black people respecting each other, 479 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 2: of stopping gang violence, we immediately just go to, like, so, 480 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: what what about black on black crime? And I think 481 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: this is a person that's like, I don't give a 482 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: fuck what white people are saying, right, I don't even care, 483 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: like like, I only care about us, and you know, 484 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 2: like for us, I don't want us to ever have 485 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: a mentality where we think our lives are a throwaway period. 486 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about because you know, he ships on police, 487 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: on this joint, he shits on my institutionalization, he ships 488 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: on massive carcerations. So it's not like he's like only 489 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, black people don't have any issues that sapt 490 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: each other Like nah, He's like, this world is so 491 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: fucked up. We need but we can't afford to not 492 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: care about each other. Don't get lost in that not. 493 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 2: Like I said, I love it. I'm gonna keep listening. 494 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: Hopefully I'll find even more shit in it. But first 495 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: he listens through. Man, I'm blown away by this kid. Man, 496 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: it's amazing. He's an amazing talent. All right, let's talk 497 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: about some news man twenty years old accused of shooting 498 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: police officers at Ferguson protests. 499 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 5: Oh, is just that dude dipped. 500 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: Like shot one in the face another one at the 501 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 4: protest that they was letting out the other day. 502 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: Because that's what we need. 503 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: Thanks, buddy, appreciate you shooting the cops because I'm sure 504 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: they I'm sure they can't you know, can't wait to 505 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: be back into the community. 506 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 4: And I was so furious when I heard this because 507 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 4: I was like, I guarantee you, whoever did this, don't 508 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: have any goddamn thing to do with the protest story. 509 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna blame it on right, you know, 510 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: they're gonna blame it on the protests, and they're gonna 511 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: blame it, by extension, on black people because they always do. 512 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: Man like it always do. It's just a shady ass, 513 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: you know, happening. A man accused of shooting two officers 514 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: last week in Ferguson says he was not targeting police 515 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: or aiming at demonstrators at a late night protest. 516 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 5: Who was you talking to, Dan Dall? 517 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: I guess it's just a one in a million things 518 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: that he hit two police officers, right, his attorney said Monday, 519 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: as he entered counted an earlier police description of the crime. 520 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: Defense attorney Gerald Christmas also suggests the Saint Louis County 521 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: police may have used excessive force when arresting the suspect, 522 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Williams, saying his clan had bruises on his back, shoulders, 523 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: face and a nod on his head. I mean, you 524 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: knew that was gonna happen. You shoot if you if 525 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: you get you get accused of shooting, even at. 526 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 4: Cops vicinity like one, I'm surprised he's a live black two. 527 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: I'm surprised, Uh he's alive because he's black. 528 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 8: Uh. 529 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: Police fokesman Brian Shelman has called the lawyer's allegations completely false, 530 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: adding that Williams had was seen by a nurse when 531 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: booked in the County jail, standard procedure for income and inmates. 532 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised they hit him anyway. The nurse 533 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: release Williams as fit for confinement. I mean, now, on 534 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: the one hand, I say that the only reason I 535 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: would be like maybe is uh, Ferguson police is under 536 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: such heat at this moment. 537 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: Maybe they're like. 538 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: Fuck, can't beat this, maga Like, but I would say, 539 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: with all the ship they've done, wouldn't be surprised if 540 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: they did. 541 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: If they was just like fucking what they gonna do well. 542 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Williams is accused of shooting two officers Thursday outside Ferguson 543 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: Police station, which has been the scene of protests since 544 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: last summer's fatal shooting of eighteen year old Michael Brown. Williams, twenty, 545 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: appeared in court Monday night, one day after his arrest 546 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: on charges of feeling, assault on criminal action and a 547 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: weapons offense. His case was continued until March thirty. 548 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 3: First. 549 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: Christmas did not appear to brief hearing and say he 550 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: spoke to his client late Monday afternoon. This wasn't any 551 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: type of ambush shooting, Christmas said in an interview with 552 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: the AP, countering an earlier discrission by Saint Louis County 553 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: Police Chief John Bellmers to think, you're. 554 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: Right those officers were shot accidentally. 555 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 5: What are you target shooting at jet late at night? 556 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: The most pettiout part of me is like, so that's 557 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: how it feels on the most pettiest part of me. 558 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: It's just like, so, so, how do you like? 559 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: Ain't cool? 560 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 9: It's not a good feeling. 561 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: I claid, it ain't shot. 562 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 5: It is not a good feeling. 563 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: Not their own businesses. 564 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I just feel like fucking 565 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 5: with you today. 566 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna be petty, gonna be upstanding about this. 567 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: But the pettiest part of me is. 568 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: Like, well, well, well the chickens have come home, the 569 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: roots and all that shit. 570 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 5: My thing is this, They shot them so far. I mean, 571 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 5: he shot them from so far away, Like nigga, you 572 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 5: was miles away. I don't know how far away, but 573 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 5: you wentn't up the street and around the corner. Put 574 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: it like that, So well, okay, what were you aiming 575 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: for then? 576 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 577 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: Or you know, conspiracy? What if it wasn't him? Gotcha, pert? 578 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's sad uh. Williams also told investigators that 579 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: he was not talking, but that a social was met 580 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: with skepticism. We're not sure we completely buy that part 581 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: of it, the prosecutor said. Christmas said he wasn't aware 582 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: of any details regarding the possible dispute that could have 583 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: preceded the shooting. 584 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: Mike Brown done in that. 585 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: Street, but Ferguson activist Dereck Robinson said Sunday that Williams 586 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: told him during the jail visit that he had been 587 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: robbed earlier in the day of the shooting, and returned 588 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: to the protest zone to retaliate. On Monday, Robertson referred 589 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: inquiries to Christmas and dude talking to the cops. Come on, 590 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: the shooting happened at it? Oh, well, no, he's probably 591 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: talking because he don't want them to be He don't 592 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: wanted to look like the protests are involved in anyway. 593 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: So he said it might be retaliation for a robbery, 594 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: and the cops didn't. He didn't mean to shoot the police. 595 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: The shooting happened as a demonstration began to break up. 596 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: The protests followed the resignation of city police chief Tom 597 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: Jackson in the wake of a Justice Department of report 598 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: that found wide spread racial bias in the city's police practices. 599 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: Christmas said his client was not a regular participant in 600 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: demonstrations outside the police station, echoing statements by protest leaders 601 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: who said they did not recognize Williams as one of 602 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: their own. Of course, that little strip has to come 603 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: to hang out spot, Christmas said, noting that the area 604 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: has attracted people besides demonstrators. 605 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: Williams is jailed on three hundred thousand dollars bond. 606 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: Christmas said his client is unemployed and expecting a child 607 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: with his girlfriend. On Monday, no one answered the door 608 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: Williams listed at his at his listed address, So I 609 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: don't know, man, I don't know, Doug. We'll see what 610 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: happens with that. I'm assuming more information will come out. 611 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: Like I really hate talking about these shootings and shit 612 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: in the early stages because so much can change so quick, 613 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: and you already know the evidence, and you already know 614 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 2: the media is gonna descend on people and bring out 615 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: all kinds of details and shit that may or may 616 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: not even be relevant to what happened. Yeah, so I 617 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: have to worry about that kind of shit. So you know, 618 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: like whenever it's a black person that just gets shot 619 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: and shit, I'm always like, uh, not covering this today, 620 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: you know what. 621 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: I mean, because I already know that you gotta. 622 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: Let like a fucking week or two go before you 623 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: can be like, this is what happened. Like last week, 624 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: Tony Robinson was shot and killed by police in Wisconsin, 625 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: and you know, he's a biracial kid, and you know, 626 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: his family came out and I think at one point 627 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: they were trying to say, like, you know, this isn't 628 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: about this isn't a black shooting. 629 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: Or white shooting. 630 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: You know, our kid is gone and he's biracial, so 631 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: you know this isn't just about race. 632 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 4: Now. 633 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of people objected to that, you know, 634 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: because like he was like. 635 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 3: A black man to me. 636 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, he can't take that away from you know, 637 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: police forgy concern. 638 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 4: He your nigga, period, no matter how you feel like 639 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: you can say he biracial, and you can claim you're biracial, 640 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 4: but a lot of times it's beyond even what you. 641 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 5: Quote unquote call yourself. People look at you, what do 642 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 5: they see? 643 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: So you know, I think a lot of people tried 644 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: to be on some like yeah, it's that new black bullshit, 645 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: like motherfuckers thinking they better than all the black kids 646 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: that got shot and all this shit. 647 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: And my thing is, you know they grieving right, Like 648 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: it's just not. 649 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: The fucking time. Like I understand, on your timeline, on Twitter, 650 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: on your podcast, on your blog or radio show every day, 651 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: all the time seems like the appropriate time to you. 652 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: But for me, I was like, I'm not talking about 653 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: this fucking story because cause that should not be the 654 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: motherfucking story. Police shoot another unarmed black person. Why are 655 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: we sitting over here arguing over whether he's black or not, 656 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: or whether his family needs to say he's black or not. 657 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: That just seems like the exact wrong fucking thing to do. 658 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 3: Right, you know what I mean? 659 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: And they're justified and saying our child is did like 660 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 4: as far as their concerned, regardless of honestly, they could 661 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 4: get on the fucking TV and look in the camera 662 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 4: and go. 663 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be like they're grieving like nothing that 664 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 3: comes out of their mouth, I like, right. 665 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: Now at this point, nothing, I'm not holding them liable 666 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 2: for any fucking thing they say, you know, the same 667 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: way that when Mike brownparents were like burn his motherfucker down, 668 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: and people are like, we need to lock them up 669 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: for inciting the riot. 670 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 3: Like I was like, that's grief. 671 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 2: What I don't know. I don't know how to tell 672 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: somebody how to process their grief. And I'm definitely not 673 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: gonna sit here on my couch on a fact that 674 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: and judge him in that moment of weakness and be 675 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: like why didn't they do it the right way and 676 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: release a statement or type it like these tweets that 677 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 2: I'm putting out like no, it's just absolutely wrong. 678 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 10: Man. 679 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: Later on they went back and said, I mean, like 680 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: maybe even a day or two later. Turn which is 681 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: the boy's uncle. He said, I would also like it 682 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: to be clear of my nephew, Tony Terrell, not Tyrrell 683 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: Robinson Jr. Is a black man, and he and all 684 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 2: of his family identifies him as such. So people had 685 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: a big ass controversy over this, and I do I'm thinking, 686 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 2: is somebody dead? Like what, like, what are you arguing about? 687 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 4: I always look at it like that, regardless of who dies, 688 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 4: I'm looking like, this is somebody's child. 689 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 5: Somebody's child is gone. 690 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 2: And it's like, if you get selected in the fucking 691 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: Black Depth sweepstakes, you are supposed to immediately become a 692 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: spokesperson for blackness and an activist. And that is not life, 693 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 2: and that is not fair and it's a definite double 694 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: standing on black people and we definitely shouldn't do it 695 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: to ourselves. Correct. Well, all of a sudden, you know, 696 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: we expect Trayvon Martin's mom to become like a savvy 697 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 2: social media and public relations expert, you know what I mean? Like, 698 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: these aren't these are people that we're going to work lives? Yeah, 699 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: the day before this and now we're like, why haven't 700 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 2: you solved this issue in your life? 701 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 3: Why haven't you fixed that? 702 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 5: Right? Why don't? Why don't Why have you had social 703 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 5: media training? 704 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 7: Bit? 705 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: She ain't needs social media training, She was just going 706 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 4: to a nine to five just like you. 707 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 5: You gotta do you have somebody that teaches you how 708 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 5: to talk to the media? 709 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 710 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 2: So you know, And like I said, I haven't even 711 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 2: looked that much further into that joint because you know, 712 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: it's wonder's a lot of other podcasts that really do 713 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: a much better job of that. 714 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: In my opinion too, I don't want the show to 715 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: become the Black death Show where we correct do that. 716 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: But more importantly, I know more shit's gonna happen, you 717 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like that's like it's almost cynical 718 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: at this point where it's like someone dies and I'm 719 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: just like, we gotta go through the stages. First person 720 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: gets shot, Then we gotta go through the well what 721 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: were they doing to get themselves shot? 722 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 3: Correct? 723 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 2: Then we gotta go through well, actually, first we gotta 724 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 2: go through the you know police officers, you know, shooting 725 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: it's a black people think, gotta go through that, you 726 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 727 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 3: Then it's was he innocent? You know what I mean? 728 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: Like, well that day he had he had parked in 729 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 2: a bad space. I don't know, guys. And then we 730 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: have to go through the you know, did he deserve 731 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: to die now? And if if he doesn't quote unquote 732 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: deserve to die because of something he was doing immediately, 733 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 2: then we go into his past when it's smoking weed? 734 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 3: What does social media pictures look like? 735 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 2: Did he uh? Did he ever get in trouble in 736 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 2: the past? 737 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 5: Uh? 738 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 3: Just a bunch of ship right. 739 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 2: Then you have the fun raising for the cops and 740 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 2: fund raiser for the family, and you got the TV 741 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 2: media circus and they bringing on motherfuckers to argue both 742 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: sides of death. 743 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 3: You know, you gotta have Don Lemmon come in. 744 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 2: Like it's just such a circus, and it feels like 745 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 2: every time someone dies it gets reset and it just 746 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: winds up and we just we're just doing it again. 747 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 5: And then if it goes to trial, you got to 748 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 5: go through it one old time. 749 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 3: Right. 750 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 2: It's like we've seen it so much that you know 751 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: there's a fatigue setting there. But more importantly, there's a 752 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: cynicism setting in, right, And in all these cases, each 753 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 2: one in my opinion while being part of a larger tapestry, 754 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 2: they're all unique. So I don't know what made police 755 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 2: officer X for the trigger on suspect X. And I 756 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: don't know if that's the exact same thing for suspect 757 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: why and police officers why. But you know, we have 758 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 2: to ask these questions because she is just so fucked 759 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: up right now, right right, Just. 760 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 4: Because the police officer pulls the trigger and she's a 761 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 4: black man, it doesn't automatically make him racist. 762 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot more to it than 763 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: just black and white every time. But I feel like 764 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: the size have been picked already, and the arguments have 765 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 2: been ongoing, especially online, for so long that that that 766 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 2: that we're at that point where as soon as the 767 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: trigger is pulled, as soon as we find out about it, 768 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, this, you know, that dude might as 769 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: well have been wearing a fucking clan hood like it 770 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: don't matter. 771 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 4: True, And and and I think for me, when it 772 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 4: comes to a lot of this stuff, a lot of 773 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 4: people have a tendency because they can into the into 774 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 4: the disastribation of a lot of this every single. 775 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 5: Time it happens, So a lot of times Uh, people 776 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 5: like me. 777 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 4: I care, care a lot about a lot of that ship, 778 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 4: but I tap out. And a lot of times when 779 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 4: you tap out and you just just do other things. 780 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 4: People that like you don't care about the calls and 781 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 4: and like that, And to me, that's some fucking annoying doing. 782 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 4: Every cycle, you know, people hit you up, Hey, you 783 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 4: got something to say? No, no, no, because that I 784 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 4: say is it's cycling and your heart can only take 785 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 4: so much, you know, So I care, but I care 786 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: to an extent because you will drive yourself. 787 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 3: I think that's everybody, really, you know what I mean. 788 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: You could even people that are embroad in this stuff 789 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 2: they daily on a daily basis. I think those people 790 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 2: will be the first ones to tell you that they 791 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: have to limit their concern to a certain level because 792 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 2: it's going to keep happening and it'll drive you crazy. 793 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 2: And if you're not superman, you can't stop it by yourself. 794 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 2: So even even that, you're gonna have to deal with it. 795 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I just think we get caught up 796 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: in like the minutia of each situation. And like I 797 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 2: told somebody, man, I was reading some of this stuff 798 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 2: and I said, I feel like black people are turning 799 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 2: into we're turning into CSI like, we're turning into TI 800 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm seen investigators because every time someone gets shot, we're like, Okay, 801 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: where was the weapon, what was the motive, what was 802 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 2: the police officer? What was his history? What is the 803 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: victim's history? What about that family? What city is it in? 804 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 2: What is the state municipality? And they're in a policing 805 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: enforcement record, like we are getting into like we're turning 806 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: into fucking like civil scientists and shit when it comes 807 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 2: to breaking down these shootings, and you know, it's just 808 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: it's it's just sad. It's just sad that we're that way. 809 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 2: But we have to be, you know what I mean, 810 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 2: Or put it like this. I'm not saying we have 811 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: to be. I just can't relate to the kind of 812 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 2: person that looks at this and just goes, there's nothing 813 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 2: to see here. 814 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it. 815 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 2: So so for the record, if we're not talking about 816 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: on the show, it's mostly because I like to wait 817 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 2: for these things to kind of gather more and more evidence. 818 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people like to report these 819 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 2: things immediately and have a hot take, and I'm not 820 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 2: really that way. 821 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 3: About this kind of stuff. 822 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 2: I would much rather have all the evidence kind of 823 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 2: laid out or at least some of the like some 824 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 2: time past emotions kind of got down and didn't talk 825 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 2: about it, you know, because ultimately, man, it's like when 826 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 2: I hear this ship, I just immediately get upset. 827 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 3: So speaking of being upset. 828 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 2: Uh, Elaine Ellen Powell is a woman who is suing. 829 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 3: Uh her former employer. 830 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 2: And it's really gotten a big a lot of attention 831 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 2: because it's happening in Silicon Valley, which is mostly male 832 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 2: dominated world, a venture capital. You know, a lot of 833 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 2: tech startups, a lot of companies that become you know, 834 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 2: big deals come out of that area, and you know, 835 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 2: obviously mostly rich, white and male and young. Right, So 836 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 2: there's a lot of inner workings there socially and morally 837 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 2: that like, you know, that we don't really have an 838 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 2: eye into. We sometimes get an experience of figuring hearing 839 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 2: about the ship through like like kind of like secondhand. 840 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 3: Like how we look at how people treat. 841 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 2: The harassment on Twitter, and we're like, man, these people 842 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 2: have a real blind spot about how women and people 843 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 2: of color are treated on Twitter. 844 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 3: Correct, you know what I'm saying? 845 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 2: Issues right, they don't really have any tools designed for 846 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 2: helping people out and the importance of it right, and 847 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: that kind of gives you a clue into like their 848 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 2: mentality must not really be privy to these type. 849 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 5: Of issues, and that's what happened when you don't have diversity. 850 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 2: Well, her lawsuit is shedding a lot of light on that. 851 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 2: She's seeking sixteen million dollars from Clean Kliner and said 852 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 2: she was discriminated against while working there. 853 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 3: Kleiner has denied paths out againations. 854 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 2: Its lead attorney, Lynn hermel Was has repeatedly asserted that 855 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 2: Power didn't have necessary skills to become a successful venture capitalist. 856 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 2: The trials far from over, but here are some revelations 857 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 2: they've heard so far. The top VC firm partners make 858 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 2: a lot of money. They usually get a percentage of 859 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 2: the firm's net FREEK income, the profits left over after 860 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 2: operating expenses, and investors are paid sue big. Larry Cliner, 861 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 2: CFO testified that some partners made two to five times 862 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 2: more money as a general partner than a junior partner 863 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 2: like Power was Ellen Pale made about five hundred and 864 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: sixteen thousand dollars that Cliner in twenty eleven, but she 865 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 2: could have made as much as three million dollars a 866 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 2: year as a general partner. That lost net fee income 867 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 2: is part of why Power seeking sixteen million dollars in damages. Interestingly, 868 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 2: Power has made an investing part was made an investing 869 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 2: partner at Cliner, even though at least one partner. 870 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 3: Didn't think she'd be very good at it. 871 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 2: There was several hours of a locker room atmosphere on 872 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 2: a private jet trip with partner Ted Sleen and Dan Rosenwig, 873 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 2: the CEO of Shag, a Cliner investment. Rosenwig allegedly talked 874 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 2: about visiting the Playboy Mansion and wanted to go to 875 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 2: a Victoria's Secret show. Rosenwig also allegedly said he wanted 876 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 2: Yahoo CEO Marissa Meyer to join Shagg's board because she 877 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: was really hot, but Sleen didn't do much to rain 878 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 2: in Rosenwig. 879 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,919 Speaker 3: I don't remember trying to stop it. He said, Yeah. 880 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 2: I think when we have a lot of money and 881 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 2: shit and you got a boys club, you just figured 882 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 2: that the women who are there just need to get 883 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 2: used to it. 884 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 3: So you want to talk about how hot the CEO 885 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 3: is and shit. You know, don't do it. 886 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 2: Another female partner testified she was a rassic cliner. Tray Asalo, 887 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 2: a former partner, testified to her sexual harassment complaints against 888 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 2: another former clienter partner, Ajeet Nazir or Nadri Vasalo Klaim. 889 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 2: Nadri had pursued her once in two thousand and nine 890 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 2: and again on a business trip in New York in 891 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 2: twenty eleven. Nazri allegedly promised to introduce Vasalo to someone 892 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 2: who would help her with one of her ventures at 893 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 2: a dinner, but that person never showed up. After the dinner, 894 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 2: Nasri showed up at her hotel room in the bathroom 895 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 2: in a bathrobe and slippers. I eventually pushed them out 896 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 2: and closed the door. Basalo testified. After an independent investigator 897 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 2: found Basalo's claims were justified, they fired the firm fired Nazri. Well, 898 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 2: I mean they did fire him. Women allegedly have a 899 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 2: harder time gett promoted. In two thousand and eight, Door 900 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 2: said on stage in a panel with Sequoia's Mike Morris 901 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 2: that the best tech entrepreneurs were usually white male nerves. 902 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 2: George conversation with Morris was played in court by Power's 903 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 2: attorney The implication was that Door had an implicit vise 904 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 2: against women, though he lamented the pathetic lack of women 905 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 2: in venture capital in his testimony, two former female partners 906 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 2: at Kleiner, Mary Meeker and Allen Lee, had a hard 907 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,479 Speaker 2: time getting promoted than other men at the firm. Lee 908 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 2: never became a managing partner at Cliner and instead found 909 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,760 Speaker 2: her own VC. 910 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 3: Firm founded her own VC firm, Cowboy Adventures. 911 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 2: Pal's attorney had also tried to imply that women words 912 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 2: through to Decliner. 913 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 3: Uh, she washed. 914 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 2: She another former partner organized and all make Cliner ski 915 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 2: trip to Veil, all male. That's the type of the 916 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 2: and they put me at all male Cliner ski trip 917 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 2: to Bail as well as dinner with our gore where 918 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 2: only men were invited. 919 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 11: Uh. 920 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 2: These stories may not be enough to prove the firm 921 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 2: discriminate against power. That required specific types of evidence, and 922 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 2: there were lots of other testimony by performance reviews that 923 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 2: may be more relevant, but they do shine a light 924 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,879 Speaker 2: to the day to day struggle that many women face. 925 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 2: The traditionally mail downated business and industries like finance. This, Yeah, 926 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 2: this is just one of those things where I feel 927 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 2: like for most people it's like it's not going to 928 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,919 Speaker 2: raise an eyebrow because they. 929 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 3: Just assume that it's like that anyway, you know. 930 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 2: And then and then even the women that make it 931 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 2: in that industry or make it the male dominating industries 932 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 2: typically have to have adopted the same attitudes towards women 933 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 2: as the male counter. 934 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 4: All right, because if you're really trying to move and 935 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 4: shake and change ship, they gonna get you up out 936 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 4: of there quick before you get any power. 937 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 938 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see what happens with that, because I 939 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 2: don't think the child over yet, but I. 940 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 5: Hope, I hope she gets every goddamn down. 941 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of getting every goddamn dime, Brell and Robin 942 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,720 Speaker 2: Thick had to come up off that money from Marvin 943 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 2: Gay and though did Marvin Gay family like kind of 944 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 2: get paid. 945 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,399 Speaker 5: M hm, you not happy no more? 946 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm broke. 947 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Jersey, I'll keep doing the Divorcee. 948 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 2: Which is funny because I remember the another try where 949 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 2: they talked about testimony and shit. It was kind of 950 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 2: funny that Pharrell was being like, yeah, Robert Thick basically 951 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 2: just put his name on the song. 952 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 3: He didn't actually have anything to do with it, and. 953 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 2: Robin Thick was like, yeah, that's right because he didn't 954 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 2: want to come off that money, like wow, but yeah, 955 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:16,800 Speaker 2: they lost. 956 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 3: Seven point four million got awarded to Gay's family. 957 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 2: Blurr Lynes was the biggest hit in twenty thirteen and 958 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 2: it signed like Marvin Gaye nineteen seventy. 959 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 3: Seven hit Got to give it Up. 960 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 2: Gay's children sue the Singers in twenty thirteen and were 961 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 2: present when the verdict was read. No the Gate weptons 962 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 2: the verdict was being read and was hugged by her 963 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 2: atturning right now, I feel free, Non the Gate said after. 964 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 3: The verdict, free from Pharrell Winners and Robert. 965 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 2: Thick's changed and what they tried, what they tried to 966 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 2: keep on us, and the lies that were told. 967 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 4: Right cause the thing is like you probably had to 968 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 4: pay at the wazoo, but it had been cheaper to 969 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 4: pay for the rights didn't actually go through this lawsuit. 970 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 2: I feel like Robin think was the most stummiest of 971 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 2: the people because his whole thing was I just put 972 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 2: my name on it. You want right, You wanted to 973 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 2: get this, You wanted to get the credit right away, right, 974 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 2: you want the money, right. But when it's time to 975 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 2: pay up. It's like, I ain't had nothing to do 976 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 2: with this, y'all. Williams testified he crafted the song in 977 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,240 Speaker 2: about an hour because. 978 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 5: He's like, I can't get y'all money and my wife's 979 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 5: money to you. 980 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 2: Williams testified that he crafted the song in about an hour. 981 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 2: In mid twenty twelve, he told jurors that while Gay's 982 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,399 Speaker 2: music was part of the soundtrack of his youth, he. 983 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 3: Didn't use any of it In blurred lines. 984 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,240 Speaker 2: Gay's lawyer Brandon Williams and thig liars who went beyond 985 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 2: trying to immulate the sound of the late nineteen seventies 986 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 2: music and copy got to give it up outright. I Mean, 987 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 2: it was one of those things where I could hear 988 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 2: it and I was like, I just remember, like I said, 989 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a music expert, but like 990 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 2: you could just hear it and be like the nigga 991 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 2: gonna lose that suit. 992 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody get up. 993 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, basically exact same beat. 994 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 9: Y'all ain't gonna do this, and they got to give 995 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 9: it up. 996 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 5: What a five minutes songs? 997 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 3: H look at music, you. 998 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 2: Know, and maybe they subconsciously copied the baseline and all 999 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 2: that ship just but I'm thinking about it. 1000 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 5: It don't matter his family. 1001 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, yeah, they won the fight. The album sold 1002 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 2: more than seven point three million copies in the US alone, 1003 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 2: earned the Grammy Award nomination, and netted Williams and Think 1004 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 2: more than five million dollars each. 1005 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 3: The case was a. 1006 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,959 Speaker 2: Struggle between two of music's biggest names. Williams had sold 1007 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 2: more than one hundred million records worldwide during his career 1008 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 2: as a single slag producer, and Gay performed hit such 1009 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 2: a Sexual Healing and How Sweet it Is to Be 1010 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 2: Loved by You, which remained popular. During closing arguments, Bush 1011 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 2: accused Thinking Williams a line about how the song was created. 1012 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 2: He told jurors they could award Gay's children millions of 1013 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 2: dollars if they determined the copyright that got to give 1014 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,720 Speaker 2: it up was in fringe. Howard King, led lead attorney 1015 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 2: for Williams and Think, so the panel that a verdict 1016 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 2: in favor of Gay's family would have a chilling effect 1017 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 2: on musicians who were trying to recreate a genre or 1018 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 2: homage to another artist's sound. King denied that there were 1019 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 2: any substantial similarities between Blurry Lines and the sheet music 1020 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 2: Gay submitted to obtain copyright protection. Williams forty one also 1021 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 2: signed the documents, stating that he didn't use any artists 1022 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 2: other artists working in music that will be responsible if 1023 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,240 Speaker 2: a successful copyright claim was Frank raise. The trial focus 1024 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 2: on detailed analysis of chords and notes in both blurred 1025 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 2: lines and got to Give it Up. 1026 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, just pay them people for the rights they got 1027 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 4: lass and say if I allow you pay me, you 1028 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,399 Speaker 4: can do what you want to do the song. 1029 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 3: Once that happens. 1030 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the way they got him was instead of 1031 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 2: playing the song got to give it Up, they play 1032 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 2: the sheet music version so that there's no there's no 1033 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 2: singing on top of it, because I think the singing 1034 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 2: is what throws people off, because it's like that, don't know, 1035 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 2: Like people hear that and they're like, oh, that's what's that? 1036 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 3: The same as. 1037 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 2: They look at this, Yeah, you just played the baseline. 1038 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it's like that's the same damn song. 1039 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 2: Yes it is, oh man, So yeah, they got they 1040 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 2: got hit up. Marvin Gale, of course, his daddy died 1041 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 2: April nineteen eighty four, lose his children to copyright to 1042 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 2: his music, and they. 1043 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 3: Just came up with the cause. It costs a lot 1044 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 3: less to settle and simple it correct. 1045 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 4: You wouldn't have been spending that much. You might even 1046 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 4: spent a million. Now you just between y'all is seven yep. 1047 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 8: Uh. 1048 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 2: The University of a Hot Oklahoma is being gonna possibly 1049 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 2: be sued by the essays. 1050 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:48,360 Speaker 3: The racist frat. Uh yeah, can I can always do that? 1051 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 2: Boys in a newsroom with the exclusive new. 1052 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,879 Speaker 1: Information somebody tonight we can tell you the local chapter 1053 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,360 Speaker 1: Sigma out the UPSLNE plans to pursue legal action against 1054 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: the University of Oklahoma and possibly President David Born. The 1055 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,439 Speaker 1: group has hired high profile attorney Stephen Jones to represent them. 1056 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: I spoke with Jones earlier. He says the group is 1057 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: outraged over President Born shutting down the fraternity house and 1058 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: branding all SAE members as racists and bigots. Jones says 1059 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,399 Speaker 1: the two men have apologized sincerely for their remarks, and 1060 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,399 Speaker 1: now the incident is being exploited. He said they lacked 1061 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: judgment in a social setting, but they should not be 1062 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 1: tarred and feathered as racist. Now the group is looking 1063 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 1: at all options as far as litigation. I told the 1064 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,839 Speaker 1: decision to hire Jones came at an emergency meeting held 1065 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: by SAE members and alumni will continue to follow it. 1066 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 2: That's to you, all right, every thank you shouldn't be 1067 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 2: tarred and feathered as racist. I mean it's like they're 1068 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 2: tar babies. A baby is made of tar or something. 1069 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,839 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Can you know what. 1070 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 2: I like about it is once again, well, the only 1071 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 2: thing worse than being and racist is being called out 1072 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 2: for it. Correct, you know, like I can call them niggers, 1073 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 2: but I mean, you ain't got to call me racist 1074 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,240 Speaker 2: for using the word niggers. 1075 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 3: You know the essay he really takes the brother. 1076 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 2: Out of brotherhood and puts the hood in there even more. 1077 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 2: They have no problem with the hood. It should just 1078 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 2: be hood hood because they like wearing hoods. But they 1079 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 2: don't like them brothers, you know what I mean. Yeah, 1080 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 2: it's amazing, honestly, Like I don't I don't understand how 1081 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 2: you had a well, no, I do understand how you 1082 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 2: had audacity to suit. 1083 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 3: You just don't get it correct. 1084 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 2: You're not used to anyone ever telling you no, you're wrong. 1085 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 5: So I hope they lose. It's dumb, so people get 1086 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 5: out raised and you sue. 1087 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 2: Yep, because hey, shouldn't be calling me racist but doing 1088 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 2: racist ship. So I say, hanging nigga from a tree 1089 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 2: and y'all think that made me racist? 1090 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 3: Wow? What kind of world is this? 1091 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1092 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 4: What a white man came, became roam free and be 1093 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 4: racist without independence? 1094 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 2: After drinking, two Secret Service agents allegedly crashed their car 1095 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 2: into the White House barricades. About I thought we had 1096 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 2: the president's Secret Service details seen till seventeen six on 1097 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 2: this already, Like, what are the new dudes fucking up to? 1098 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 3: Sounds like watching him? What the fuck is happening? Secret 1099 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 3: Service dudes get fucked up? 1100 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 4: Like your whole job is to protect the president of 1101 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 4: the United States and you're like fuck it. 1102 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 2: Adding to what was becoming a long list of President 1103 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 2: Barack Obama Secret Service agents dropping the ball of behaving inappropriately, 1104 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 2: the Washington Post reporting that two senior agents Senior agents Wow, 1105 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,920 Speaker 2: attended a party, consumed alcohol, and allegedly crashed their government 1106 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,479 Speaker 2: car into security barricades that was positioned by the White 1107 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 2: House on March fourth. One of the agents is the 1108 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 2: top member of the President's security detail. Of the other 1109 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 2: Secret Service agents who were at the scene reportedly wanted 1110 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 2: to arrest the two agents and test their alcohol levels, 1111 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 2: but according to the Post support, they were told not 1112 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 2: to by superior on duty that night. Oh this job, 1113 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 2: trying to cover it up. Secret Service Director Joseph Clancy 1114 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,439 Speaker 2: said that an investigation of the incident will take place 1115 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 2: and be led by the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General, 1116 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 2: given that the agents at the center of the investigation 1117 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 2: hold senior post. Clancy was just appointed to the job 1118 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 2: last month after his predecessor stepped down amid a string 1119 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 2: of embarrassing incidents that had the American public question in 1120 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 2: the Secret services intagrity and ability to protect the president. 1121 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 2: Only the president that has been threatened the most times 1122 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,800 Speaker 2: ever in the history of predidate presidency. You add the 1123 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 2: rest of them together, even the ones that are dead 1124 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 2: and right, you will not get up to what Barack 1125 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 2: Obama's got. A spokesman for the Secret Service said that 1126 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 2: the agency will cooperate with the investigation of his conduct. 1127 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 2: Is identified, appropriate actual will be taken based on establishments 1128 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 2: and regulations. 1129 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 3: Man, you know what's funny is. 1130 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 2: Like back in the day, like part of the reason 1131 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 2: President Barack Obama is the most threatened president ever is 1132 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 2: because it's so much easier to do it now mm hm, 1133 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,959 Speaker 2: because you know, back in the day, you really needed 1134 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,840 Speaker 2: to hate the president to threaten, right, you had to 1135 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,439 Speaker 2: get it ink. 1136 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 3: Matter of fact, you had to learn to read to 1137 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 3: write properly. 1138 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 2: Then you need to like ink cill and then you 1139 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,439 Speaker 2: had to get the parchment, and you had to wait 1140 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,440 Speaker 2: days for the dicey postal service to deliver it. Ah, 1141 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 2: hoping that it got there on time. 1142 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 5: Yes, and like get that three years later, talking. 1143 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,480 Speaker 2: In old fashioned old English and shit, and like probably 1144 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 2: probably have probably the more polite death threats ever. You know, 1145 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,520 Speaker 2: back then they didn't have all that like hey, motherfucker, 1146 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,640 Speaker 2: I kill your ass. 1147 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 3: Like you know, it's a lot of like. 1148 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Dearest, uh, dearest George Washington, Sincerely yours psycho. Yeah, I 1149 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 2: certainly hope the weather does not find you in good health. 1150 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 2: May your wooden teeth be as rotten to the core 1151 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 2: as your integrity. 1152 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,920 Speaker 3: Sir, I do say, May your. 1153 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 5: Real heir be as white as that week that you will, sir. 1154 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 2: I shall challenge you to fisticuffs by the Delaware River. 1155 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Designate the time I've designated the place. 1156 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 10: Oh, I know, good response, right, Martha, how is she 1157 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 10: doing that. 1158 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 3: I hope everything's follow her. You know, we don't talk 1159 01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,720 Speaker 3: bad about the mother. 1160 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 2: This Look, guys, were having some technical difficulties here. You 1161 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 2: may or may not have lost part of. 1162 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 3: This podcast, but we're gonna keep it rolling. 1163 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 2: Like we always do, and hopefully we can fix in 1164 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 2: the on the backside, Ye on the backside, Kathy Griffins 1165 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 2: leaving the fashion Police, Fach. 1166 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,480 Speaker 3: Police losing more police than Ferguson. 1167 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 5: I ain't they though they wouldn't like flies. 1168 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that the problem here is that 1169 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:35,280 Speaker 2: Joan Rivers is gone right, Uh, Joan Rivers not because 1170 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 2: Jone Rivers is so fucking funny and all this shit. No, 1171 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin, Uh just came in at the wrong time 1172 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 2: in society. The only way to deliver a joke now, 1173 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 2: especially jokes about what people wearing, what they look like, 1174 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 2: and shit, you need to not give a fuck what 1175 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,760 Speaker 2: they think. 1176 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 5: Right, because if you care, that's not the job for you. 1177 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Like one of the things I love about Rivers and 1178 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 2: that and this is the thing I love about a 1179 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 2: lot of people that you know, the people I look 1180 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 2: up to that I think are funny are people that 1181 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 2: don't apologize for the fucking jokes, right, Like, I hate 1182 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 2: when people only apologize for a joke because it didn't 1183 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 2: land well, or because because it's popular to talk bad 1184 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,439 Speaker 2: about them, But but they meant the joke, they thought 1185 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,959 Speaker 2: it was funny when it came out of their mouth 1186 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,600 Speaker 2: and it just didn't land or some people wrote a 1187 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 2: blog about it, and now you're apologizing, Like, no, not 1188 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 2: to mention. 1189 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,280 Speaker 3: Those people never forgive you correct. 1190 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 5: No matter what you do, no matter how many times 1191 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 5: you apologize. So fuck Thelma. 1192 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're wasting your time man. 1193 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 2: But it's sad though, because during the comments Juliana Ransick made, 1194 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 2: which was about the petulio smelling uh Zandiah, was like, 1195 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 2: the joke was that she spelled like chulliold because she 1196 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 2: had these big ass like dreadlocks and shit is just 1197 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,960 Speaker 2: all that white people use on their dreadlocks and associated 1198 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 2: with hippies and shit, it's like to cover up the 1199 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 2: smell because like, in order for white hair to like 1200 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 2: matt up in the dreadlocks, typically you gotta get a 1201 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 2: little funky, get a little muck in there, and then 1202 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 2: you cover it up with the petuliol smell. And then 1203 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 2: people say, oh, petuliol stinks and white people smell like 1204 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 2: petulio that are hippies. 1205 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 3: And there's a bunch of jokes around that. 1206 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes people say it about black people, but I that 1207 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 2: was one stereotype I had never heard of, really, and 1208 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,800 Speaker 2: I think Juliana Ronsick wasn't really thinking of black people 1209 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,160 Speaker 2: at all. 1210 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 3: What she made the joke. 1211 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 2: If anything, I'd say the add on the tag that 1212 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin said when she said in weed, you know, 1213 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 2: I thought they were both on the same page. 1214 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,360 Speaker 3: It was she looks like a hippie. 1215 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 2: Now, zen Dire went put a post on Instagram that 1216 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 2: basically accused them of being racist and say, you know 1217 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 2: all these other people that had their hair like this, 1218 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,280 Speaker 2: and this is stereotype you want to promote, and it's 1219 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 2: very hurtful. 1220 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 3: She accepted the apology because Juliette A. 1221 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 2: Ronsick did apologize, but then right after that, Kelly Osborne 1222 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 2: left ready to go. Yeah. That seemed like a person 1223 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 2: that was just tired of being there. 1224 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 5: Oh today, oh oh, if anything at happen today, I'm 1225 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 5: not the front though. 1226 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1227 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,640 Speaker 3: Kathy Griffin left and then that was it. 1228 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 2: You know, so how many people know the crow think 1229 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,640 Speaker 2: abound like three or four, and then you know, Joan 1230 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,439 Speaker 2: Rivers was to me, this just says Juliana Ronzick's probably 1231 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,640 Speaker 2: hard to work with. But Joan Rivers would have made 1232 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,280 Speaker 2: that same joke, if not further right, and would have 1233 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,320 Speaker 2: been like, I don't give a fuck y'all like joking, 1234 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 2: like and that is something I respect so much, Like 1235 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 2: I don't really have a lot of respect for comedians 1236 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 2: that do all of him and how and to like 1237 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 2: just the popularity of it. Like even comedians that I 1238 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,520 Speaker 2: vehemently disagree with the punchline and the methodology of their jokes, 1239 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,920 Speaker 2: I like them more when they just go I was joking. 1240 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna fucking do the. 1241 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 3: Game with you. These are jokes. 1242 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 2: I tell things that aren't true for a living so 1243 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 2: that you can laugh. If you don't laugh, I understand, 1244 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 2: but that doesn't change the fact that I don't mean it, 1245 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 2: because it's a fucking joke, right, I like those people. 1246 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 2: I think Whitney Cummings did it one time when she 1247 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 2: made a joke about veterans and shit and then veterans 1248 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,920 Speaker 2: all you need to apologize to the army and she's like. 1249 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,720 Speaker 3: Fuck you no, Like it's a goddamn joke. You know. 1250 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,040 Speaker 2: So Joan Rivers did it before she died, when she 1251 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,200 Speaker 2: said the joke about Michelle Obama being a training and 1252 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 2: people was like, well, don't you want to apologize for that? 1253 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 3: She's like, no, it's a joke. 1254 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,439 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't. 1255 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 3: Did I think Michelle? 1256 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,640 Speaker 2: Of course not. That's a ridiculous joke. But it's a joke. 1257 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad she didn't apologize. I'm tired of 1258 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 2: that shit. Don't apologize, you meant it, Just deal with 1259 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 2: the backlash. Yeah, And most of these people have insulated 1260 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,080 Speaker 2: themselves in their careers to a point where even with 1261 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,560 Speaker 2: people being mad as not gonna really affect them anyway. 1262 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 2: So you know, and like I said, I love John 1263 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:05,360 Speaker 2: Rivers because of that. 1264 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:05,680 Speaker 4: Man. 1265 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 2: You know, on the podcast, I made a bunch of 1266 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 2: fucked up jokes about her when she died, because that's 1267 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,320 Speaker 2: what she would do, man, I would. And people swear 1268 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,000 Speaker 2: that they like love and worship these type of comedians, 1269 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,880 Speaker 2: but they don't. They don't. Man, at the end of 1270 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,560 Speaker 2: the day, a lot of them still ship on these 1271 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,560 Speaker 2: people and they don't really like, have any true respect 1272 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 2: for what they did. But I respect that she put 1273 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,440 Speaker 2: herself on the line for these motherfucking jokes, and she would. 1274 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 3: Have said that shit about Zinadaia. 1275 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,200 Speaker 2: I double fucking guarantee you she would have looked at 1276 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,480 Speaker 2: you and said, fuck you, it was a joke the end, 1277 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 2: right like it wouldn't and the show would have kept going. 1278 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,400 Speaker 2: The reason the show can't go right now, it has 1279 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,880 Speaker 2: no integrity. Everyone's coming out apologizing every five minutes. 1280 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't have a show like that. 1281 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 4: When you're talking, criticize and fast people about fashion, you're 1282 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,440 Speaker 4: gonna constantly be apologizing. 1283 01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she at least a statement on Twitter. Uh, 1284 01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,240 Speaker 2: because after the Buttuli Old Things said, I thought that 1285 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 2: I could bring my brand to human to fashion police, 1286 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 2: so that beautiful people and beautiful dresses could be teased 1287 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 2: and appropriate my brand of humor while unrepenting and unafraid. 1288 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 3: It's all about context. 1289 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,120 Speaker 2: There's plenty to make fun of and pop culture without 1290 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,200 Speaker 2: bringing people's bodies into it. Again, people context, Listen. I'm 1291 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,000 Speaker 2: not a saint, I'm not. I'm a feminist and a 1292 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,080 Speaker 2: girl who loves an offensive joke or a well time barb, 1293 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,400 Speaker 2: and you will find plenty of my repertoire. But I 1294 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,360 Speaker 2: do not want to use my comedy to contribute to 1295 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 2: a culture of unattainable perfectionism and intolerance towards and towards difference. Well, 1296 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 2: this is what you signed up for. What did you 1297 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,680 Speaker 2: think the show was for? Fashion Police? There's gonna be 1298 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,720 Speaker 2: a very inclusive show where you just sit around and 1299 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:44,920 Speaker 2: talk good about people. 1300 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,360 Speaker 3: Have you been on Twitter during? And first of all, 1301 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,639 Speaker 3: with Twitter, we don't need fashion. 1302 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 2: Police anymore because people on Twitter gonna shit on y'all, 1303 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,240 Speaker 2: shit on these people outfits way before y'all came a 1304 01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,160 Speaker 2: way better. But because Twitter ain't got to worry about 1305 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 2: losing their jobs over it, most Twitter people just go 1306 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,679 Speaker 2: on there and be like so and so's a fat bitch, 1307 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 2: and You're like, Jesus Christ, you're like a garbageran bitch. 1308 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 3: You're like, good grief. 1309 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, you kish your mother with that mouth. But uh, 1310 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 2: she said, after seven episodes of Fashion Police, I discovered 1311 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:17,880 Speaker 2: that my style is not fit with the credit direction 1312 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 2: of the show and now it's. 1313 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 3: Time to move on. 1314 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because she needed to be the heavy hitter, the 1315 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,439 Speaker 2: comedian that they bring in man or woman needs to 1316 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,080 Speaker 2: be the one willing to take the swing and the 1317 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,400 Speaker 2: hard joke and everyone else just kind of pals onto 1318 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 2: what they're saying already, and if anybody has a problem 1319 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 2: with it, you just go back to, well, it's John 1320 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,240 Speaker 2: Rivers or it's so and so, and then we all go, yeah, 1321 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,280 Speaker 2: I guess you can't say shit about that, right right? 1322 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,720 Speaker 2: Uh you know, I think would be good at it. 1323 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,160 Speaker 2: Joe McHale, Oh, you be excellent at it because Joe 1324 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,240 Speaker 2: McKell don't give a fuck. 1325 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,200 Speaker 5: He gets zero fucks about what y'all got to say. 1326 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,080 Speaker 2: He'll he talk mean about people pretty much every week 1327 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 2: for thirty minutes live. 1328 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,000 Speaker 5: And I should be good at it. 1329 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Daniel to should be. 1330 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,440 Speaker 2: They can't get damn, they can't get Damn. I should 1331 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 2: make way too much money to fuck with them. 1332 01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, Yeah, he'll never sign up for it. 1333 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,320 Speaker 2: But Jael mckel is on e That's the only reason 1334 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying maybe they could get him to do it, 1335 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,880 Speaker 2: because uh yeah, Dale and Dale. Tosh's jokes to me 1336 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,680 Speaker 2: aren't really celebrity jokes as much as they're like, like, 1337 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,120 Speaker 2: he's good at race humor and shit like that and 1338 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,679 Speaker 2: gender and shit like looking like the bully when he's 1339 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,519 Speaker 2: making himself look stupid, But I don't know. 1340 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,439 Speaker 3: Man, Joe McKell would be great at this. 1341 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,639 Speaker 4: He would actually be great. It would be a simple 1342 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,360 Speaker 4: shift though for him. I could see him doing it 1343 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,679 Speaker 4: and having a plus. 1344 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,840 Speaker 2: Tosh got ding once and apologized. I'll never forget that 1345 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 2: that rape joke they he apologized for because he an't 1346 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 2: want to lose a show. 1347 01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:48,839 Speaker 3: Correct. 1348 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,479 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't understand, but it's you know, 1349 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,120 Speaker 2: whenever it happens, I'm always like. 1350 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't really believe in that material. 1351 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 2: And I don't never defend it, like you never catch 1352 01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,080 Speaker 2: me defending the motherfucker that back. 1353 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,040 Speaker 3: Pedals on their own material, and I don't say it. 1354 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:03,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, man, she. 1355 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,679 Speaker 2: Uh also put on what is this Twitter? 1356 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 3: How did she get this many characters in a tweet? 1357 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ? Anyway, she says she got twit longo. 1358 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1359 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,719 Speaker 3: Let me introduce myself. Yeah, how My name is Kathy Griffin. 1360 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm fifty four, have written and started starting twenty three 1361 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,320 Speaker 2: comedy stand up, stand up comedy specials, have two Emmys 1362 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 2: of Grammy in New York Times number one best seller. 1363 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,599 Speaker 3: Decades of activism for the. 1364 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,799 Speaker 2: LGBT community have performed for the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, 1365 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,760 Speaker 2: among many other things. When I chose to step into 1366 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,599 Speaker 2: the shoes of a loved friend, Joan Rivers's fashion police, 1367 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 2: I was thrilled to continue her legacy as a woman 1368 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 2: being brash and the centric on television. 1369 01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm a freedom love and female. 1370 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 2: And gay rights activist who loves to find the funny 1371 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,479 Speaker 2: in all people attitudes, beliefs, and appearances, but only when 1372 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,280 Speaker 2: the contacts permits intelligent humor. I thought that I could 1373 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,040 Speaker 2: bring my brain to humor, to fashion belief so that 1374 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 2: the beautiful people in beautiful dresses could be teased when appropriate. Yeah, already, 1375 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 2: right there, I'm kind of tapping out because I don't 1376 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,439 Speaker 2: even like this idea of well, we're gonna pick on 1377 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 2: the people that we think need to be taken down 1378 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 2: a peg. So it's like, Okay, Gwyneth Paltrow will talk 1379 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,000 Speaker 2: bad about her, but lapetero nuango, we're not gonna make 1380 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,240 Speaker 2: a joke because we all know obviously she you know, 1381 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 2: in a condescending, almost patronizing way. We can't make a 1382 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:29,519 Speaker 2: joke about her because she's not traditionally beautiful. So already 1383 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 2: you're picking favorites, even like by telling me who you 1384 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,640 Speaker 2: won't make a joke about. You're already saying, well, that 1385 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,759 Speaker 2: person's fact, that person's black, that person's gay, that person 1386 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 2: you know, which is like, that's not really unrepented on 1387 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,680 Speaker 2: unafraid comedy. You know, then don't do it, Kensel, the 1388 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:48,719 Speaker 2: whole show just don't. 1389 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,639 Speaker 5: Do probably what they need to do. 1390 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:59,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, so she won't be doing it, which, 1391 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,679 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, it sounds like she realized 1392 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,519 Speaker 2: that it was the trappings of what can go wrong there. 1393 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 3: And it's a lot of work, nothing right. 1394 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,720 Speaker 4: And if you're not willing to just stand by what 1395 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 4: you said, it ain't for you. 1396 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's really just time has passed for that ship. 1397 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 2: Uh Powdered alcohol has gotten a green light from the FEDS. 1398 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,960 Speaker 2: Alcohol back, Baby. I can't wait. Where do I find some? 1399 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,640 Speaker 2: I don't want none that goes to the ABC sto. 1400 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 2: I can't wait to start snorting my alcohol like a 1401 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:30,639 Speaker 2: real man. 1402 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 5: I don't want none of that. You can't stir it 1403 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,200 Speaker 5: in and mix it in like some Goodies powder. 1404 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 3: They said they hope they have to sell. Come have 1405 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,720 Speaker 3: it for sale this summer. 1406 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,880 Speaker 2: The food of his product in an email early Wednesday morning. 1407 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,760 Speaker 2: You know it, but wasn't me to live at for 1408 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,759 Speaker 2: the comment? Yeah, man, I'm ready, let's do it. Tiger 1409 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:58,120 Speaker 2: has confirmed his relationship with Kylie Jenner and the cutest 1410 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,840 Speaker 2: way possible via. 1411 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 5: The police arrest has god damn grown ass. 1412 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,439 Speaker 2: He vot certain things catch your eye, but only a 1413 01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,800 Speaker 2: few capture the heart. It's a picture Kylie Jenner, to 1414 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 2: which I say, uh, why aren't the police capturing your ass? 1415 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:14,240 Speaker 3: Right? 1416 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 2: A lot of people like, how you gonna say this? 1417 01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,719 Speaker 2: You know how you're gonna say this is bad or whatever. 1418 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 2: It's like, uh, because she a kid and it's illegal, right, 1419 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,280 Speaker 2: you know the law? 1420 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,519 Speaker 3: Pretty cut? 1421 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,639 Speaker 5: How you feel the law says it's wrong? 1422 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, see, pretty cut and dry. You a kid and 1423 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 3: this illegal? 1424 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:37,400 Speaker 7: Dog? 1425 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,760 Speaker 2: I mean, she a kid and it's illegal. Not to 1426 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,840 Speaker 2: mention just being fucking twenty five dating a seventeen year old. 1427 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 4: The maturity of a twenty five year old is completely 1428 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,080 Speaker 4: different than the maturity of a seventeen. 1429 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:54,000 Speaker 2: I just can't even picture bringing around when I'm twenty five, 1430 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,439 Speaker 2: bringing a seventeen year old around my friends, Like, let's go. 1431 01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,320 Speaker 5: Out, nigga, what that you can't drink? You can't you 1432 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,160 Speaker 5: can't do nothing. 1433 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,280 Speaker 2: Facebook has removed a feeling fat emoticon under pressure from 1434 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 2: online activists. You used to could put you know, how 1435 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,799 Speaker 2: it says how you feeling. You used to put feeling 1436 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,519 Speaker 2: and then pick a smiley and one of them was fat, 1437 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 2: And online activists said, nah, that shit ain't cool. So 1438 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,679 Speaker 2: Facebook took it off. Now I do like the Facebook 1439 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 2: is one of the more forward thinking people about their platform. 1440 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,639 Speaker 2: I really wish Twitter would take a fucking hint from that, 1441 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 2: because I do think it pays to be proactive and 1442 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 2: listening to people. Sometimes I think they air on the 1443 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,080 Speaker 2: side of caution. Yes, and you know, maybe this is 1444 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,680 Speaker 2: one of those those kinds. 1445 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,280 Speaker 5: This wasn't important, but. 1446 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,760 Speaker 2: People you know, posted pictures said fat is not a 1447 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:54,479 Speaker 2: feeling and stuff like that. It gathered more than sixteen 1448 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,000 Speaker 2: thousand signatures. It's been among the lengthy list of feelings 1449 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,519 Speaker 2: and activities that use to provide with updating the statuses, 1450 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,760 Speaker 2: along with feeling blessed. 1451 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,559 Speaker 3: Love, drunk, you know, stuff like that. 1452 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,760 Speaker 2: So the company removed it, and so on said I 1453 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 2: feel so happy that I've helped eliminate one form of 1454 01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,400 Speaker 2: body shaming hatred on the internet. 1455 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,639 Speaker 3: I'll just say this as a fat person. 1456 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,120 Speaker 2: I don't feel like that's hatred or body shaming for someone. 1457 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,800 Speaker 2: Like when like if I have a friend that like 1458 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,680 Speaker 2: ate a whole bunch of food or they're hungry and 1459 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,599 Speaker 2: they're like, oh my inner fat boys said I need 1460 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,240 Speaker 2: them fries. I don't go, what the fuck did you 1461 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,440 Speaker 2: just say to me? Only we can say that word skinny. 1462 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 5: Man, you know what I mean? 1463 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:41,160 Speaker 3: Like, I don't. 1464 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,160 Speaker 2: I don't have that hang up particularly, but I can 1465 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 2: understand some people, do you know, have eating disorders? 1466 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, eating disorders aren't called fat. 1467 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, but there's eating disorders where people 1468 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,479 Speaker 2: think they're fat when they're not, like bolimia, and that's true. Uh, 1469 01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,800 Speaker 2: you know, being antiretic and shit like that. I mean, 1470 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,959 Speaker 2: that's the fight that people want to fight. And Facebook 1471 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,439 Speaker 2: took it down. Then they took it down. But I'll 1472 01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 2: just say, personally, I would never feel that way, you 1473 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:12,080 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 1474 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you put like this, if you want to fight 1475 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,479 Speaker 4: to fight, don't allow them to make fan pages for 1476 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:23,439 Speaker 4: fut bollshit like you know how oh dude that shot 1477 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,360 Speaker 4: up Virginia Tech. How did somebody create a Facebook page 1478 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,120 Speaker 4: for him? And you know, every time something happens. Wh 1479 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,360 Speaker 4: people make the most ridiculous Facebook pages and you call 1480 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,680 Speaker 4: and you do the thing on Facebook and Facebook like, oh, 1481 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:35,200 Speaker 4: nothing wrong. 1482 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:36,439 Speaker 5: Protest that bullshit? 1483 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think some of them do protest those things. Also, 1484 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 2: they put feeling stuffed. You can still use that. It's 1485 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,200 Speaker 2: still has the same like the fat emoji, but feeling stuffed, uh, 1486 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,960 Speaker 2: and feeling ugly you can still do that one. So 1487 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 2: I'm sure that's the next one people will take down. 1488 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,040 Speaker 6: Right. 1489 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,439 Speaker 5: What about the preefing the sense that nobody in the 1490 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 5: world is ugly? 1491 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, Karen. You sound pretty upset about Itamn. 1492 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:00,720 Speaker 2: What now? 1493 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,920 Speaker 3: What bothered you about it? M hmm? What bothers you 1494 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:04,360 Speaker 3: about it? 1495 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 5: Oh? 1496 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,040 Speaker 4: What bothers me is that there's other things you can 1497 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:09,919 Speaker 4: fight other than the morticons on Facebook. 1498 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,640 Speaker 2: But it's not either or you can fight all that 1499 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,120 Speaker 2: shit at the same time if you want to. 1500 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,599 Speaker 5: That's true. I just think it's dumb. I'm sorry. 1501 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:17,120 Speaker 3: There you go. 1502 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,479 Speaker 2: That's fine. That's I you can get to the bottom 1503 01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,000 Speaker 2: of it. You just think it's stupid, right, that's fine. 1504 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,799 Speaker 2: I mean sixteen is to me, it was only sixteen 1505 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,200 Speaker 2: thousand satures, which. 1506 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,400 Speaker 4: Is a dropping a bucket compared to the billions of 1507 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,040 Speaker 4: people that they don't Facebook. 1508 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they could have just said fuck y'all, but uh 1509 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,519 Speaker 2: they didn't. Man, they went ahead and said, uh, let's 1510 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 2: go ahead and do it. Let's see. Sugar Knight said 1511 01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,800 Speaker 2: he blind from glaucoma as complicateds of his diabetes, and 1512 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:54,160 Speaker 2: that's why he ran them people over. Po what pop 1513 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:54,560 Speaker 2: on me? 1514 01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:54,880 Speaker 10: Dad? 1515 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 3: What they got to do with Sugar Knight? 1516 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 5: Then she said she was nig blind. 1517 01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,440 Speaker 3: She did, yes, she did. 1518 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,679 Speaker 2: Legally blind. 1519 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,439 Speaker 3: That's true, that is true. 1520 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,599 Speaker 2: Uh so he said he said he couldn't see him. Man, 1521 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,320 Speaker 2: So that's why you accurately ran over both of them. 1522 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,320 Speaker 5: Surprise, I remember that. 1523 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,639 Speaker 2: My wife is a cheater and spray painted on urda 1524 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,920 Speaker 2: home that caught fire. 1525 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,760 Speaker 3: Then the man got arrested. 1526 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:38,719 Speaker 5: This house. 1527 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,320 Speaker 3: Oh wait, this could be Guess the race? 1528 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,759 Speaker 2: What am I doing? I didn't even realize that they 1529 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,479 Speaker 2: added a picture for the culprit. Now at the time 1530 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,439 Speaker 2: they didn't have a picture. We'll save that for Guess 1531 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,719 Speaker 2: the Race one day. All right, let's see what else happened? 1532 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:54,840 Speaker 2: Said anything else I wanted to cover? 1533 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:56,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that. 1534 01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 2: Was actually a couple of things I wanted to cover. 1535 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,799 Speaker 2: Terrence Howard wants to say the N word on Empire. 1536 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:11,760 Speaker 2: To Roger p Henson said no, which is funny because 1537 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 2: they already said faggot and Taraji p Henson was the 1538 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,599 Speaker 2: one who said it right. 1539 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,600 Speaker 5: They said they say negroes. 1540 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said negroes. But that's not the same. 1541 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:25,919 Speaker 3: I don't think it's even close correct. 1542 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 4: Uh. 1543 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,800 Speaker 2: Empire has proved to be an envelope pusher with both 1544 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,400 Speaker 2: storylines that clue on theophobia and mental health. Show does' 1545 01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,719 Speaker 2: kip a beefing address appoint of issues in the black community, 1546 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,880 Speaker 2: but one actor says the show is not authentic enough 1547 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 2: and the language it uses. Terrence Howard, who plays Lucia's line, 1548 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,439 Speaker 2: feels that to become even more genuine, Empire needs to 1549 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,680 Speaker 2: cut out some of the political correctness regarding the N word, 1550 01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,479 Speaker 2: and the interview with Entertainment Weekly, the actor gave it 1551 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,519 Speaker 2: offense of using the N word. If we start getting silly, 1552 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 2: if we start playing the people's fancies, then we don't 1553 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,559 Speaker 2: deserve to be where we are. It's a big pressure 1554 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,200 Speaker 2: because I want to be a truth sayer. I want 1555 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,920 Speaker 2: to raise the bar. I want to get rid of 1556 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,320 Speaker 2: this fucked up word. Called PC already. This stupid. 1557 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,719 Speaker 3: Fucked up word called PC. 1558 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 2: PC stands for something, sir, political correct, and it's more than. 1559 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,599 Speaker 5: Right and it's more than one word person computer, Sir. 1560 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,880 Speaker 2: I think it's a gate for bigotry because as long 1561 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 2: as you're politically correct, you can say anything you want, 1562 01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 2: but feel some way what feel some way different? I'm 1563 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,960 Speaker 2: mad they don't want to say nigga on the show. 1564 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,759 Speaker 2: He could tell you. Why is TV showing something different 1565 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,000 Speaker 2: from the reality of the world. Why is that thing 1566 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,639 Speaker 2: called censorship that stop people from here and every day talk? 1567 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,200 Speaker 2: We use nigga every day. It's become part of a conversation. 1568 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,120 Speaker 2: Why aren't we using it on the show? 1569 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:48,840 Speaker 3: Not ever? 1570 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 5: Because of the time frame you come on? 1571 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:56,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not on HBO bro, right, Cinemax. 1572 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, just be happy you get in the checks. 1573 01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:58,360 Speaker 3: Bro. 1574 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,760 Speaker 2: Everyone agrees, not everyone agrees with Yeah, he gonna fuck 1575 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,720 Speaker 2: up this is what see, that's how he lost iron Man, right, 1576 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:09,639 Speaker 2: like you just had. 1577 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,400 Speaker 3: To fuck it up, fuck up a good thing? Like 1578 01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,880 Speaker 3: I know the cast like nigga shut up? 1579 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,800 Speaker 2: Right, we say nigga off camera all the time? 1580 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,120 Speaker 5: There was like can y'all kill his character and get 1581 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,440 Speaker 5: somebody else to take his place. 1582 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,800 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, don't he got a LS? Can we 1583 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,000 Speaker 2: speed up his als process? Yeah, bringing Denzel or something. 1584 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,760 Speaker 2: I know how the makeup artists can't wait so they 1585 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,840 Speaker 2: can stop having seven types of weed for his heir, right. 1586 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,680 Speaker 5: Niz put Loosey's line, I'm all the way in. 1587 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 1588 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1589 01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,840 Speaker 2: The sinners include David Rambo, who's a writer and co 1590 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,920 Speaker 2: executive producer of the show. The interview with TMZ, Rambo 1591 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,920 Speaker 2: said that a white writer has no business decided whether 1592 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,719 Speaker 2: the N word should be used. Lee Daniel also seems 1593 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,240 Speaker 2: to think the word has no place on the show. 1594 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,160 Speaker 2: Last year, Dane said the word would not be used 1595 01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,320 Speaker 2: on the show because of its negativity. Joining in against 1596 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,479 Speaker 2: the N word on the show, it's to Roger p Henson, 1597 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,479 Speaker 2: who plays uh who plays Cookie Lion. They caught up 1598 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:15,840 Speaker 2: with the actress over the weekend on TMZ. 1599 01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:16,679 Speaker 9: How you doing? 1600 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:17,479 Speaker 3: Hey? 1601 01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,160 Speaker 5: Do you think the show should use the N word 1602 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,160 Speaker 5: to be more authentic? 1603 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:26,439 Speaker 2: There you go? 1604 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,479 Speaker 3: Sweet short, sweetened too motherfucking point. 1605 01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:37,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, I you know, I don't think they need 1606 01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,640 Speaker 2: to use it necessarily for this show. I think they 1607 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,479 Speaker 2: because they've already established so much popularity without it, and 1608 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 2: because of what the channel that's on. 1609 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,840 Speaker 3: I mean, that would be some my president and ship. Uh. 1610 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,880 Speaker 3: They had a poll on TMZ in ninety two percent 1611 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:51,679 Speaker 3: of the people said. 1612 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:52,120 Speaker 2: Don't use it. 1613 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,519 Speaker 3: So I don't know, uh. 1614 01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,639 Speaker 2: But yeah, Terrence Howard, just trying to ruin something good, right, 1615 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:02,599 Speaker 2: can't help. 1616 01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,720 Speaker 5: Themself and slowly die from your al. 1617 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just just stop shaking for a second. Brother, Now, 1618 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,799 Speaker 2: this is something that you know, I typically would reserve 1619 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,760 Speaker 2: something like this for the nerd Off, but I want 1620 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 2: to talk about it here. I'm sure we'll be doing 1621 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,479 Speaker 2: a nerd off soon, but I want to talk about 1622 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,480 Speaker 2: this here anyway. 1623 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:27,080 Speaker 3: D C Comics did a variant cover cover for. 1624 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,800 Speaker 2: Batgirl. A variant cover is not the cover that is 1625 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:38,679 Speaker 2: going to be on the actual comic book, but it'll 1626 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,160 Speaker 2: be like on certain off issues that you can pay 1627 01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,760 Speaker 2: more for that can collective editions, like. 1628 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,280 Speaker 5: A special edition, like a special cover design. 1629 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're only going to make fourteen of these, 1630 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,920 Speaker 2: so you know, people will start collecting the people want 1631 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,160 Speaker 2: to see them and ship like that. Okay, and they're 1632 01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,880 Speaker 2: worth more yeah, okay, yeah, times are worth more. 1633 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,080 Speaker 3: I put the picture up there. 1634 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,280 Speaker 2: Now. What it is is that Barbara Gordon, who is 1635 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:09,800 Speaker 2: Commissioner Gordon Gordon's daughter when she was backgirl back in 1636 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,840 Speaker 2: the day, she got shot in the back. She gets 1637 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,799 Speaker 2: paralyzed in this book called The Killing Joke in nineteen 1638 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,840 Speaker 2: eighty eight. I used to own this. I might still 1639 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:22,000 Speaker 2: own it. And you know, it's one of the sickest stories. 1640 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,560 Speaker 2: Like Joker shows up at her house, shoots her in 1641 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:31,160 Speaker 2: the back, take pictures of her naked. Oh, then he 1642 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,519 Speaker 2: takes Commissioner Gordon, kidnaps him, forces him to go through 1643 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,120 Speaker 2: like amusement park, like one of those rides where it's 1644 01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,479 Speaker 2: not quite a roller coaster, but you just it kind 1645 01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 2: of like takes you through the theme park and you know, 1646 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,439 Speaker 2: like a hundred house or something and things pop out 1647 01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,439 Speaker 2: at you and shit, And it was full of pictures 1648 01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,280 Speaker 2: of his daughter, you know. 1649 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,679 Speaker 3: Naked and bleeding and in pain. 1650 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,360 Speaker 2: And he basically tried to drive Gordon crazy and at 1651 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 2: the end he out of gives Gordon a gun. He's like, 1652 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,680 Speaker 2: you know, kill me, basically, because his whole point was 1653 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to prove that you can turn a good 1654 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:11,599 Speaker 2: man into what I am, which is insane and evil. 1655 01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,200 Speaker 2: And you know, it was all about would Batman be 1656 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,280 Speaker 2: there in time to stop him. Okay, but of course 1657 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,240 Speaker 2: Gordon doesn't become as crazy as Joker and doesn't kill 1658 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,880 Speaker 2: him because nobody ever kills Joker, and and then you know, 1659 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,680 Speaker 2: story ends. But Barbara's paralyzed, and she remained paralyzed for 1660 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,200 Speaker 2: a long time. She becomes Oracle, which a lot of 1661 01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,599 Speaker 2: people know her as, you know, like the brains behind Batman, 1662 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,120 Speaker 2: the person that gives them all the you know, hey, 1663 01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,720 Speaker 2: this is here, you know these, here's the location of this, 1664 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,640 Speaker 2: here's the technical aspect of that. And while she, you know, 1665 01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:52,320 Speaker 2: it's also still competent at you know, like technical aspects 1666 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,320 Speaker 2: and helping out the team. You know, she's still in 1667 01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,760 Speaker 2: a wheel chair for all these years, and eventually, over 1668 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,720 Speaker 2: like I think the last couple of years since they 1669 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,000 Speaker 2: relaunched the title, she regained her ability to walk. And 1670 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,320 Speaker 2: now she's back to being Backgirl in the costume again. 1671 01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,840 Speaker 2: And now I don't know why she's still so young, 1672 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,880 Speaker 2: like she's in college right now and all this shit, 1673 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,559 Speaker 2: But I don't care, right the point being, I've been 1674 01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,880 Speaker 2: reading it Backgirl for a long time. I've been reading it, 1675 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,960 Speaker 2: especially since the New fifty two. It's been excellent, one 1676 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,160 Speaker 2: of my favorites. Backgirl. 1677 01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,680 Speaker 5: It sounds like fifty two whatever. That series is just 1678 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,120 Speaker 5: a reboot of a lot of this stuff. 1679 01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like they rebooted basically everything in DC. They 1680 01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:35,400 Speaker 2: started off at zero. So I really enjoy the character. 1681 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,960 Speaker 2: And the character is a lot of it about uh, 1682 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:48,000 Speaker 2: kind of like reclaiming your power, like learning to you 1683 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,760 Speaker 2: know and figuratively and literally learning to walk again and 1684 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,559 Speaker 2: then becoming this badass action crime fighter person again and 1685 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:54,600 Speaker 2: all this stuff. 1686 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,400 Speaker 3: And it's cool, you know. 1687 01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:01,960 Speaker 2: And over the years, you know, Joker has been around 1688 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,080 Speaker 2: in these comics and stuff like that. The Joker also 1689 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,200 Speaker 2: fucked up Jason Todd at one point beat him with 1690 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,439 Speaker 2: a crow bar and oh, you know, and he be 1691 01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,639 Speaker 2: came the Red Robin and all this stuff. So there's 1692 01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,400 Speaker 2: a lot of violence with Joker and all this stuff, 1693 01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,639 Speaker 2: and he's the crazy wild Card. But they put this 1694 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,320 Speaker 2: cover out and the cover is him with his arm 1695 01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:29,320 Speaker 2: around Barbara holding a gun. Her eyes are just filled 1696 01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:33,040 Speaker 2: with terror. There's like tears coming down. He's taking his 1697 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,720 Speaker 2: finger and smearing like some red pain or blood on 1698 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,840 Speaker 2: her mouth to look like a Joker smile, and it 1699 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:43,320 Speaker 2: is terrifying, you know, what I mean. You know, it 1700 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:49,160 Speaker 2: is terrifying, but you basically end up seeing that, you know, 1701 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,120 Speaker 2: she's taken back to this spot. And the difference with 1702 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,920 Speaker 2: Jason Todd like because people were like, well, yeah, that's 1703 01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,760 Speaker 2: the worst moment and they're just trying to do a 1704 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,640 Speaker 2: comic book. The very like play on this differ was 1705 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,880 Speaker 2: with Jason times that Jason TI has his own combook too, 1706 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,400 Speaker 2: Red Hood and Outlaws. They would never do a cover 1707 01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,400 Speaker 2: like this. They would never do a cover where he 1708 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,320 Speaker 2: was crying and Joker was holding the crow bar and 1709 01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,640 Speaker 2: he was, you know it, smearing blood all over him 1710 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:16,040 Speaker 2: or some. 1711 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,600 Speaker 3: Shit like that. Like, I feel like part of this 1712 01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,519 Speaker 3: is the fact that she's a woman, you know what 1713 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,400 Speaker 3: I mean. And I don't know how anyone. 1714 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,280 Speaker 2: Can look at I don't know how anybody can look 1715 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,840 Speaker 2: at this cover and not think that, you know, it's 1716 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,200 Speaker 2: because she's a woman. 1717 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,920 Speaker 5: That is just like right, that power he has over her. Yeah, 1718 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,160 Speaker 5: so that's what you're displaying. 1719 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, like especially when you have like, uh, you know, 1720 01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:48,000 Speaker 2: when you have like someone holding you or like that. 1721 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:54,960 Speaker 3: So I'm saying Tim became Red Hood. 1722 01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,240 Speaker 2: I guess Wikipedia got it wrong and me too, because 1723 01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,000 Speaker 2: I mean Jason Tom came to Red Hood. From my understanding, 1724 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,839 Speaker 2: I'll let y'all look, I'm put this Lincoln Chat, y'all, 1725 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:09,160 Speaker 2: y'all go through this. I'm pretty sure the red Hood 1726 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,400 Speaker 2: was pretty sure was Jason Todd. I don't now. I'm 1727 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,639 Speaker 2: getting into a nerd off on this shit. I gotta 1728 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,519 Speaker 2: look it up, you know, I don't know. 1729 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,000 Speaker 3: In two thousand and five, under. 1730 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,840 Speaker 2: The Red Hood story arc, character is resurrected. Eventually we're 1731 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,120 Speaker 2: coming the second character take up the red Hood alias 1732 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,080 Speaker 2: yeah Jason Todd. Okay, man, I got sidetracked, Sorry, y'all, 1733 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,200 Speaker 2: but yeah, so Jason Todd. They don't do this with him, 1734 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,120 Speaker 2: and that is the most iconic moment for that character. 1735 01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,160 Speaker 3: But we don't keep going back to it. 1736 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,599 Speaker 2: And I feel like with Barbara Gordon, we're always brought 1737 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,559 Speaker 2: back to this. No matter how high the character gets, 1738 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,759 Speaker 2: no matter how independent she gets, no matter how strong 1739 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,519 Speaker 2: she becomes, we always had to be brought back low 1740 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,559 Speaker 2: to this moment where she was strip naked. 1741 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,880 Speaker 3: Pictures are taking care of her or taken of her, and. 1742 01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,320 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's the Joker, Like all you gotta do is 1743 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,960 Speaker 2: put the Joker on the cover. 1744 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,800 Speaker 3: And we know what it is itself. 1745 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like and I you know, maybe people feel 1746 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,840 Speaker 2: like I'm being too sensitive or something, but. 1747 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,280 Speaker 3: When I see this picture of her, it just kind. 1748 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,400 Speaker 2: Of strikes of like taking a shot at her for 1749 01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,080 Speaker 2: being a woman, because they don't do this to the 1750 01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:23,120 Speaker 2: other heroes in this genre of the Batman books, even 1751 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,800 Speaker 2: though they've had similar tragedies with Joker, you know, like 1752 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,600 Speaker 2: it's not like it's almost like they just want to 1753 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,280 Speaker 2: remind you, like she's a little scared girl. She's gonna 1754 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,080 Speaker 2: be scared. She's gonna turn to a little punk because 1755 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,760 Speaker 2: he's around guys. Like that's how like she's back to 1756 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,200 Speaker 2: being just a victim again. And I don't like it. Man, 1757 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think that they have to do this. 1758 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,639 Speaker 2: And I think because some people say, hey, man, take 1759 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,880 Speaker 2: this cover off, and they did, I feel like that's 1760 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,280 Speaker 2: proven correct, even and the artists themselves, the artists who 1761 01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:03,720 Speaker 2: drew it, said please take it down. Yeah, He's like, 1762 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,240 Speaker 2: take it down, Like, I didn't make it. My intention 1763 01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,080 Speaker 2: was not for people to be upset about this or 1764 01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,719 Speaker 2: hurt for this. He's not saying the art is terrible. 1765 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying, uh, you know whatever, But. 1766 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,000 Speaker 3: I feel like it's not really his fault. 1767 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,240 Speaker 2: The creative team behind this should have been like no, 1768 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,880 Speaker 2: because that's not they pay picture of our hero that 1769 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,680 Speaker 2: we want. And it's funny because people that listen to 1770 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,240 Speaker 2: our shows, I would say, are pretty savvy about race 1771 01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:37,320 Speaker 2: and most other issues too, but the intersection between race 1772 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,760 Speaker 2: and gender or just the idea that you know, you 1773 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,040 Speaker 2: can't take some of those same principles and put it 1774 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,080 Speaker 2: towards this. It's funny to me because I see a couple, 1775 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,479 Speaker 2: you know, some black people that are like, well, I mean, 1776 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,240 Speaker 2: it's just a cover. 1777 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,519 Speaker 3: Just it's not like it's the main cover and shit 1778 01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:52,880 Speaker 3: like that. 1779 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,320 Speaker 2: But it's like, nah, you know, we had the Spider 1780 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,880 Speaker 2: Woman covered controversy with the throng shit all up in 1781 01:32:58,880 --> 01:32:59,320 Speaker 2: her ass. 1782 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,479 Speaker 5: Looking now, you don't see no dudes with right. 1783 01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:07,040 Speaker 2: And my point is it never happens the other way. 1784 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,519 Speaker 2: And I think that that is that is something to 1785 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,559 Speaker 2: be said about that it never happens the other way, 1786 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,599 Speaker 2: and if we can't acknowledge that, then we're killing ourselves. 1787 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,760 Speaker 4: Right and and for me too, and and not and 1788 01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:24,120 Speaker 4: not to get off topic, even the way certain characters 1789 01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,080 Speaker 4: are just drawn period. Have you ever seen a male 1790 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,160 Speaker 4: character with his dick oversize, right. 1791 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna draw like like Spider Man might 1792 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,720 Speaker 2: have spandex on all the time. They're not gonna buy 1793 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,360 Speaker 2: a big ass dick print right in the cover of 1794 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,400 Speaker 2: the fucking issue. They're never gonna do that. So you know, 1795 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:46,599 Speaker 2: I you know, personally, man, I feel like I'm glad 1796 01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:51,559 Speaker 2: they did it. I'm glad it's gone. I don't think 1797 01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,680 Speaker 2: it's the most important issue in the world and all 1798 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,240 Speaker 2: the ship. But if you're doing this partially because your 1799 01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,679 Speaker 2: whole thing is look, we want to cater the female fans. 1800 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,599 Speaker 2: We want to get women in the reading comic books. 1801 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,960 Speaker 2: You want to encourage this shit that you can't keep 1802 01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:07,080 Speaker 2: bringing this character back to this correct, you know, we 1803 01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,080 Speaker 2: can't keep bringing this character back to the Joker standing 1804 01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:15,240 Speaker 2: over her limp body and shit like that, Like every 1805 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,799 Speaker 2: moment can't be her crying with the joke in the background. 1806 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,560 Speaker 2: I'll put an article up. It's on Comic Book Resources 1807 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,000 Speaker 2: dot com and the name of the article was the 1808 01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,519 Speaker 2: Mission to Continued Abuse of Barbara Gordon, DC's Backgirl and 1809 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,760 Speaker 2: a Publisher's Spine. It was only put up five hours ago, 1810 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:33,840 Speaker 2: but I'll put a link to it in the chat. 1811 01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,760 Speaker 3: I loved it. It was an excellent red It was an 1812 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,720 Speaker 3: excellent read man. 1813 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:37,880 Speaker 12: You know. 1814 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,519 Speaker 2: So it's you know, and like I said, it's to me, 1815 01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,160 Speaker 2: it's about trying to victimize this person back to this 1816 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,599 Speaker 2: one moment. And I get that it's an iconic moment, 1817 01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,360 Speaker 2: but there's a way to do it without you know, 1818 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,920 Speaker 2: having to make it so fucking creepy. You know, her 1819 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,080 Speaker 2: crying and shit, it's like you take the hero out 1820 01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,479 Speaker 2: of her just to be like, look at her. She's 1821 01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,639 Speaker 2: back to she's back to being a little. 1822 01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:08,679 Speaker 5: Girl, back to being a victim again. And and from just. 1823 01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,160 Speaker 4: A little bit that I know about a lot of 1824 01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:15,160 Speaker 4: these storylines, like she was strong, she constantly fought, you know. 1825 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,080 Speaker 4: So it's just one of those things where, uh, you 1826 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,719 Speaker 4: can tell this story and tell it in multiple ways, 1827 01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,200 Speaker 4: like as long as the story is good, you know, 1828 01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,479 Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that. It's just the 1829 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,160 Speaker 4: fact that, uh, you, like you say, if something like 1830 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:34,280 Speaker 4: say terrible happens to a dude, you don't see him constantly, 1831 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,080 Speaker 4: like you said, across the front of something over and 1832 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:37,960 Speaker 4: over and over again. 1833 01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:41,680 Speaker 2: Yep. Most of the time, when we want, like I 1834 01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,719 Speaker 2: think you just can't deny what comic books are, which 1835 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,960 Speaker 2: is a lot of placating to our ideals and wanting 1836 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,400 Speaker 2: to be heroes correct, And you can't take that out 1837 01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,559 Speaker 2: the same way that if every Louke Cage cover had 1838 01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:02,120 Speaker 2: him doing some stereotypical quote quote black stuff, we will 1839 01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,840 Speaker 2: eventually somebody would say something, that's what happened here to me, 1840 01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,439 Speaker 2: Like it's not rocket science if the. 1841 01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,320 Speaker 3: Cover has. 1842 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,120 Speaker 2: You know, Luke Cage like drinking kool aid watermelon, and 1843 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,280 Speaker 2: then the next time has him eating fried chicken, and 1844 01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,880 Speaker 2: then the next time has him smoking a Newport, and 1845 01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,120 Speaker 2: then the next time, like, people are eventually gonna be like, look, man, y'all, 1846 01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,880 Speaker 2: don't do this shit with other people. What's going on, right, 1847 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,120 Speaker 2: you know? And I feel like this is like a 1848 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,120 Speaker 2: turning point for Backgirl, especially if you read the comic, 1849 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,479 Speaker 2: which most people probably aren't, so they only know this 1850 01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:35,599 Speaker 2: one moment of back Girl. 1851 01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,320 Speaker 3: Anyway, if you read. 1852 01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,400 Speaker 2: The comic, this shit is the furthest shit from what's 1853 01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,679 Speaker 2: going on in that book, and it's the furtheres shit 1854 01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,200 Speaker 2: from where she's at as a character. So it's really 1855 01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,760 Speaker 2: condescending there, you know, a bit misogynistic to take the 1856 01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,080 Speaker 2: character back to this one suffering point over and over 1857 01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,040 Speaker 2: and over again to revictimize her. 1858 01:36:58,160 --> 01:36:59,400 Speaker 5: You know, that's the whole point. 1859 01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,080 Speaker 3: So I you know, like. 1860 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,960 Speaker 2: I said, and I'm not typically a person that's really 1861 01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,800 Speaker 2: hardcore on that kind of shit, but you know, I 1862 01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,200 Speaker 2: feel like the good guys weren't getting that cover taken down. 1863 01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:11,960 Speaker 3: It really it really was a. 1864 01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:16,880 Speaker 2: Bad look, man. And like I said, I I don't 1865 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't think they would do any male character that way. 1866 01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:19,759 Speaker 5: Never. 1867 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,720 Speaker 4: And they've had males that go through tragic stuff over 1868 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,639 Speaker 4: and over again, but you never see them if they're 1869 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,639 Speaker 4: on the cover with somebody that Dave. 1870 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:34,599 Speaker 2: Had, uh, like Baine broke Batman's back, right, But but 1871 01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:40,599 Speaker 2: you'll never see a cover with Bain like like holding 1872 01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:44,800 Speaker 2: Batman and Batman crying and shit like that, like one 1873 01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:45,759 Speaker 2: arm around Batman. 1874 01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,920 Speaker 3: You'll never see that shit, right, So. 1875 01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,880 Speaker 4: Ban standing over him, terrified as he cowers on the ground. 1876 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,000 Speaker 5: You're not gonna see that. 1877 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:54,559 Speaker 11: Yeah. 1878 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, man, I mean, at least 1879 01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:02,360 Speaker 2: not repetitively. It's it's twenty fifteen. This story happened at 1880 01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,280 Speaker 2: nineteen what did you say, eighty four or some shit, 1881 01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,320 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight some twenty some years ago. Yet not now. 1882 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,000 Speaker 2: You wouldn't see it covered with Baine and Batman crying 1883 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,040 Speaker 2: like a little bit on the front now like you like, 1884 01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,720 Speaker 2: at some point we move on, you know, same thing 1885 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,400 Speaker 2: for Red Robins, so I mean Red Hood, So I 1886 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:27,840 Speaker 2: don't think so man, all right, dog, uh, let's go 1887 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:31,800 Speaker 2: to our segments. We've chit chatted enough and I gotta 1888 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,639 Speaker 2: fix all this shit post anyway. 1889 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:34,519 Speaker 6: Uh. 1890 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,160 Speaker 2: I think we pretty much did fuck it with black people. 1891 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,360 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that was covered today. 1892 01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like I was fucking with definitely shit. 1893 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:52,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking. 1894 01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,479 Speaker 10: At like you just tipped down, don't. 1895 01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:15,679 Speaker 12: You gotta here a boelve ball guadag calls. We don't 1896 01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,040 Speaker 12: call him, do no more or nothing. 1897 01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,240 Speaker 2: We come five star, five star gither. That's a five 1898 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,360 Speaker 2: star slick. That's some fis forty five, that's that new 1899 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:24,360 Speaker 2: l six. 1900 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,680 Speaker 12: Get a half fix might even playing alright, And the 1901 01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:32,840 Speaker 12: way he give it to messer sting, I'm. 1902 01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,200 Speaker 2: So super high high do not you know we'll not 1903 01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:35,680 Speaker 2: keep up. 1904 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,439 Speaker 12: Unlet's see it's five dollar pat. 1905 01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:38,639 Speaker 5: That's a beat. 1906 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:40,680 Speaker 3: There's a strong said she loves me. 1907 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,360 Speaker 2: Not you know you're not yet I want to be 1908 01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:43,320 Speaker 2: just love man. 1909 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:43,800 Speaker 6: If you. 1910 01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,719 Speaker 12: Get on the beat to we can find the five 1911 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,200 Speaker 12: star till you can your five star bitch and some 1912 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,439 Speaker 12: five stars, just some five star. 1913 01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:59,240 Speaker 2: All Right, I guess let the chat room pick today. Okay, 1914 01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,360 Speaker 2: chat room, I'll be number one? 1915 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:02,880 Speaker 3: Are you knowingly Daily? 1916 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:07,360 Speaker 2: The deadbeat the deadbeat enabler by at Novah Giovanni, who's 1917 01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,920 Speaker 2: been on the show before Finding Love on the world 1918 01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:16,160 Speaker 2: Wide Web, It's number two, Number three nads groupie sex Teal. 1919 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,400 Speaker 2: Number four group of Tales thanks to Waka Floka. I 1920 01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:26,200 Speaker 2: met Young Joey Best sex Ever. And let's do number 1921 01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:30,520 Speaker 2: five group of Tales. I met Trey Songs at Club Perfections. 1922 01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,920 Speaker 2: Oh lord, so y'all go one through five and we'll 1923 01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 2: tally up the votes here. Yeah, Karen, you keep the h. 1924 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,479 Speaker 3: You keep the the detractor, and I'll play some of 1925 01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:46,400 Speaker 3: this thinking music. 1926 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:04,920 Speaker 5: Look like four? 1927 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:05,280 Speaker 3: Got it? 1928 01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,160 Speaker 2: Number four? Alright, let's go to number four, which is 1929 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:14,080 Speaker 2: a group of sex Tales. Group of Tales thanks to 1930 01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,920 Speaker 2: Walker Flocker, I met Young Joey, Best sex Ever. Let 1931 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,280 Speaker 2: me put Young Joey's picture in the chat so you 1932 01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,519 Speaker 2: guys can see the companying picture with an article. Now 1933 01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:25,840 Speaker 2: I know. 1934 01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,240 Speaker 5: Whoer Flocker is. I do not know who the fuck 1935 01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:28,839 Speaker 5: a younger. 1936 01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:30,160 Speaker 3: Joey is Young Joey. 1937 01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:36,479 Speaker 2: I didn't say younger Joy, young Joey. I don't know 1938 01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:41,400 Speaker 2: if that's on Spotify. Let me see, uh young Homies 1939 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:42,719 Speaker 2: artist young Joey. 1940 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:44,720 Speaker 3: Nope, I don't know. 1941 01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,640 Speaker 2: Maybe he's not an artist. Let's see what's going on 1942 01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:51,439 Speaker 2: with this uh and the uh the article. It's a 1943 01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,920 Speaker 2: short one. I don't know who young Joey is after 1944 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,240 Speaker 2: reading this, should I I mean, hey boo, nah, let 1945 01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,759 Speaker 2: me quit. He's a family man, L O L disclaim 1946 01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,840 Speaker 2: a group of tales I submitted by this We cannot 1947 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,120 Speaker 2: confirm one hundred percent accuracy of any story posting. 1948 01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:04,479 Speaker 5: You kid, when you read that. 1949 01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,960 Speaker 2: Back in October twenty twelve, Waka Floka and his family 1950 01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,040 Speaker 2: had the Triple F Tour in San Diego. There was 1951 01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,600 Speaker 2: a rapper by the name of Young Joey in BSM, 1952 01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,960 Speaker 2: who was Walker, who was Walker's blood cousin from New York. 1953 01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,200 Speaker 2: This man was beyond sexy. I tell you, I did 1954 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,519 Speaker 2: not know who he was at first, but he approached 1955 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,040 Speaker 2: me and invited me to his room, and for. 1956 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:28,160 Speaker 3: Some reason I said yes. Not for some reason, Oh, 1957 01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,439 Speaker 3: what kind of groovy is this? Is this even a 1958 01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,639 Speaker 3: groovy tale? Are you a groovy of someone you don't 1959 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:36,000 Speaker 3: know who they are? That seemed like groovy? 1960 01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:36,760 Speaker 7: One on one? Right? 1961 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,680 Speaker 4: Like right? 1962 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,000 Speaker 2: How can you be a groovy for a random ass 1963 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,680 Speaker 2: no name, nigga, I don't know who you are, but 1964 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,160 Speaker 2: I'm a groovy for you now. 1965 01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:46,960 Speaker 9: Works. 1966 01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:48,720 Speaker 2: I go up to his room and from there it 1967 01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,479 Speaker 2: got crazy. He just started rubbing on my pussy, then 1968 01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,400 Speaker 2: telling me to bend over. Oh, he was just holding 1969 01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,760 Speaker 2: me tight. It felt so good. This man takes out 1970 01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,760 Speaker 2: his dicking. Oh my god, this motherfucker was too big. 1971 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,320 Speaker 2: He put that thing in me and I fell in 1972 01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,400 Speaker 2: love with it. My pussy made him come way too fast, 1973 01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,120 Speaker 2: so he went for another round ten minutes later, and 1974 01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:13,280 Speaker 2: I fell in love. Best sex ever in my life. 1975 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,080 Speaker 2: He then rolled around and fell his ass right to sleep. 1976 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,519 Speaker 2: I felt like I accomplished something. He isn't well known, 1977 01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,160 Speaker 2: but he is sexy. The sad thing about it is 1978 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,599 Speaker 2: that he has a beautiful girl. I mean, this bitch 1979 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,439 Speaker 2: is bad. Even when she was pregnant, she was bad, 1980 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,599 Speaker 2: and a lot of females don't look so good when 1981 01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,200 Speaker 2: they are pregnant. But anyways, he has beautiful family. He 1982 01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,240 Speaker 2: really just cheated on her. If I had knew that's 1983 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,040 Speaker 2: what he had at home, I would not have done 1984 01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,720 Speaker 2: what we did that night. But damn. 1985 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:49,080 Speaker 3: Comments. Nolla says, girl, lool, you're a groupie. 1986 01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,360 Speaker 2: You could have did better and fucked someone like, let's 1987 01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:56,240 Speaker 2: say Waka Flocker, right, but you here fucking the third 1988 01:43:56,280 --> 01:44:04,240 Speaker 2: string on the tour. Theson who the person who ain't 1989 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:06,960 Speaker 2: nobody but cool related to your favorite artists. 1990 01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,120 Speaker 3: Less Supernova says Ithead. I don't know, Naylor. 1991 01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,840 Speaker 2: She did say it was good, and you know that 1992 01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:19,280 Speaker 2: Trump's about everything. Naylor goes back and says, I'm happy 1993 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,000 Speaker 2: it was good, but it ain't nothing to brag about. 1994 01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:21,519 Speaker 12: Lol. 1995 01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:23,960 Speaker 2: Towny Baby says, I don't know because I heard that 1996 01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,439 Speaker 2: some things about Walker that will make me still clear 1997 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,120 Speaker 2: that and from his pick, he isn't that bad looking, 1998 01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,280 Speaker 2: but there are holes in the story, so I'm over 1999 01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:31,880 Speaker 2: her for that. 2000 01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:35,000 Speaker 3: But he looked good, and she said sex was top notch. 2001 01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:40,000 Speaker 2: Black Butterfly says, rolling on the floor laughing at my 2002 01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,200 Speaker 2: pussy made him come way too fast. 2003 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:43,160 Speaker 4: Ha ha ha. 2004 01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,479 Speaker 2: Phoenix says, wait, so no one noticed she looked at 2005 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,760 Speaker 2: it after he already had put it in poured it out. 2006 01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,080 Speaker 3: Definitely a young group of tail shaking my head. 2007 01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,920 Speaker 2: But Black Butterfly says, laugh mind South Nope at Phoenix 2008 01:44:55,960 --> 01:45:00,680 Speaker 2: didn't even notice that. Ali in Wonderland says uh. She 2009 01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,679 Speaker 2: said if she knew he had a family, she wouldn't 2010 01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,760 Speaker 2: have done it. Yes, you would have host stopped the snannigans. 2011 01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,920 Speaker 2: Miss you can never get enough says he is sexy, 2012 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:15,439 Speaker 2: though desil Rae says, I felt like I accomplished something. 2013 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:16,360 Speaker 3: What the fuck? 2014 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:24,240 Speaker 2: Mickey says everyone everybody has a weakness. Nichole says, laughing, 2015 01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,840 Speaker 2: my ass off and my pussy made him come fast dead. 2016 01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:33,799 Speaker 3: But real talk, Harpo, who this man? His addiction? 2017 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:37,519 Speaker 2: Says No, Phoenix, she said she ran, she looked at. 2018 01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:38,640 Speaker 3: It, then he put it in. 2019 01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:43,920 Speaker 2: Nonetheless, the issue was entertaining, and so Luscious just says, hmmm, 2020 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,320 Speaker 2: she's above all y'all pettiness. Guys. Okay, so lushies ain't 2021 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,759 Speaker 2: got time for y'all bullshit. But back to the song, 2022 01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:56,599 Speaker 2: what's my thing? 2023 01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:01,120 Speaker 6: Fast off? 2024 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:03,160 Speaker 2: You got it? 2025 01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,720 Speaker 3: I do great a ship for the British nigga walking. 2026 01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,160 Speaker 11: And just the remake Sinners still looking at four fire 2027 01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:13,960 Speaker 11: Start chick, I'm gonna kiss the Wilcom fire Stark Chi 2028 01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:20,519 Speaker 11: machine now said, no sucking real niggachine never fucking bustles 2029 01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,720 Speaker 11: the coffee your children, and you really don't excite the 2030 01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:28,400 Speaker 11: old maintenance up say the whole little fire eight with 2031 01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:29,720 Speaker 11: the School of Deep Sea. 2032 01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:34,360 Speaker 6: All right, Uh, now that is time for some guests 2033 01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:40,040 Speaker 6: the Rays last. Right, it's guest the race time. Now, 2034 01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:44,280 Speaker 6: that is time for some guests the Rays last ride. 2035 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:49,040 Speaker 6: It's Gust the race time. That's right, it's time for 2036 01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,479 Speaker 6: Gus the Race, the number one game show going across 2037 01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:53,200 Speaker 6: all the podcasts. 2038 01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,120 Speaker 2: Now, we read the play news article from all over 2039 01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,920 Speaker 2: the globe, and we asked our contests today the chat 2040 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:03,080 Speaker 2: room to guests, huh, race send the chat room's racist, 2041 01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:10,599 Speaker 2: very very racist. Let's see how did that get in there? 2042 01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:13,120 Speaker 2: That is not what I'm meant to do. 2043 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:23,200 Speaker 3: All right, here's one firefighters facing a fire. Oh wait, 2044 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:24,240 Speaker 3: firefighters are. 2045 01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:29,400 Speaker 2: Facing the sack, which means getting fired for taking selfie 2046 01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:37,760 Speaker 2: in front of a building where seventeen people died. Oh inside, 2047 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,800 Speaker 2: two firefighters could be looking for new jobs after taking 2048 01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,800 Speaker 2: this picture. Inside, seventeen people were killed as the blaze 2049 01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:48,200 Speaker 2: ripped through the shopping center Ilia Bivkove thirty and. 2050 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:51,879 Speaker 3: Rostall Wait Rostis Live. 2051 01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:55,960 Speaker 2: Kre Love twenty eight were called to the scene, where 2052 01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,800 Speaker 2: another fifty five people were seriously injured, including two police 2053 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:04,120 Speaker 2: officers and two other emergency workers. The fire started in 2054 01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,280 Speaker 2: a cafe next door to the shops at center in Kazan, 2055 01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:08,040 Speaker 2: Central Russia. 2056 01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,360 Speaker 3: Before it spreading, next door. 2057 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,400 Speaker 5: Thought this was a good idea clock right. 2058 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,760 Speaker 2: The picture was updated to upload it to Russia's version 2059 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:24,280 Speaker 2: of Facebook, uh Yegor to Kara uh Tokoroyev wrote, christ 2060 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,080 Speaker 2: people are dying in there, and these men are smiling 2061 01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,400 Speaker 2: and taking photos. They are there to save lives. 2062 01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:31,600 Speaker 1: You know. 2063 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:32,720 Speaker 3: When they took the picture, that was like. 2064 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna get all the bitches. All bitches love firefighters, 2065 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:38,639 Speaker 2: and this is what the action is. Baby. 2066 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:40,640 Speaker 6: I'm dying. 2067 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,439 Speaker 5: Burning the lines the leg. 2068 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,880 Speaker 2: Right, hold on, hold on, I gotta get the focus right. 2069 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:53,000 Speaker 2: Ulana Cooper on this no no no filter, no filter. 2070 01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:57,320 Speaker 2: Vetlana capital Stina wrote, it makes me sick to think 2071 01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,760 Speaker 2: that while those poor people were burning to death, these 2072 01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,000 Speaker 2: two were treating as some sort of joke. Shame on 2073 01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,840 Speaker 2: them now, I thought to say that looking into the 2074 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:09,000 Speaker 2: photos that may take disciplinary steps. I will tell you this. 2075 01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,360 Speaker 2: Don't we all get sick of our jobs? I mean 2076 01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,400 Speaker 2: the mundane stuff? Who has it taken a work self 2077 01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:19,880 Speaker 2: here at some point, Well, get into it. Maybe you'll 2078 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,080 Speaker 2: see that. You'll see it's not so bad. Most of 2079 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,920 Speaker 2: the emergency workers called to the scene did their job 2080 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:29,920 Speaker 2: confidently and efficiently. These two are not characteristic of those 2081 01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:34,040 Speaker 2: who work hard every day, tirelessly saving lives. I guess 2082 01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:39,880 Speaker 2: the race of Ilia viv call be called, and I 2083 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,640 Speaker 2: mean by cough and Ristof's live. 2084 01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:43,479 Speaker 3: Cry live. 2085 01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,080 Speaker 2: All right, let's see what everybody thinks in the chat room. 2086 01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:51,120 Speaker 2: A white Russian and not the good kind white says 2087 01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:57,639 Speaker 2: recognized taste zangief and even drago rescut to the white. 2088 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,920 Speaker 2: All right, So looks like that's the guesses white or 2089 01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:08,320 Speaker 2: they white? So their names are okay? If Russia beard 2090 01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:13,880 Speaker 2: in Russia Beard grows you white? Oh lord, the correct name, 2091 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:23,040 Speaker 2: correct assa is white. I'll put that picture in the. 2092 01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,320 Speaker 5: Chat Oh that picture. 2093 01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,439 Speaker 2: These niggas took a selfiet a fucking fire like it is. 2094 01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:35,000 Speaker 5: Literally you can see the fire in the background, like the. 2095 01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:40,639 Speaker 2: Fire is in the doors, right dog, the fucking swag 2096 01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:44,400 Speaker 2: dacity like, I'm taking it past audacity. I'm taking it 2097 01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:49,120 Speaker 2: past swag, the swag dacity to even think of some 2098 01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:52,160 Speaker 2: ship like that, right, And you have other. 2099 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:53,840 Speaker 4: People down are huggling trying to figure out what the 2100 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,400 Speaker 4: fuck we need to do, and y'all talking about you know. 2101 01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,280 Speaker 5: What, let's take a picture. 2102 01:50:58,760 --> 01:50:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah wow. 2103 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,240 Speaker 2: Chicago man has been arrested after allegedly raping a woman 2104 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:11,879 Speaker 2: he met online and her friend. Oh and then lecturing 2105 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:21,960 Speaker 2: them about prostituting themselves. Okay, you know, y'all shouldn't have 2106 01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:28,679 Speaker 2: did this, right. Jonathan Ferguson was charged Thursday with armed 2107 01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:33,040 Speaker 2: robbery and aggravated criminal assault with a weapon. He was dick. 2108 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,160 Speaker 2: He was ordered held on two hundred and fifty thousand 2109 01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,280 Speaker 2: dollars bomb. No, I'm gonna say you had a real weapon. 2110 01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:41,280 Speaker 5: Too, Yes, since dick was a weapon, also charging with that. 2111 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:46,240 Speaker 2: Boll that's the rape part. The alleged assaults said I 2112 01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,040 Speaker 2: said to have occurred over New Year's weekend, when three 2113 01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,960 Speaker 2: Milwaukee women were celebrating at the Chicago hotel. Ferguson's accused 2114 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,599 Speaker 2: of answering an ad on backpage dot com for one 2115 01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:58,519 Speaker 2: of the women offering sexual services. Had asked the twenty 2116 01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,120 Speaker 2: two year old woman to meet him at an adress 2117 01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,680 Speaker 2: to report notes, but she riuded the address. She was 2118 01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,320 Speaker 2: allegedly raped at gunpoint and forced to call her friends, 2119 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,599 Speaker 2: who were waiting in the car outside. After allegedly assaulting 2120 01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,720 Speaker 2: a second woman, Ferguson reportedly lecture all three women that 2121 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:17,320 Speaker 2: bragged about his supposedly murderous week. Guess the race of 2122 01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:24,320 Speaker 2: Jonathan Ferguson. Uh, rape rapist and rape counselor? Like, what 2123 01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:26,320 Speaker 2: the fuck is I don't even know what the second 2124 01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,559 Speaker 2: part of that is? Like it was a scared straight 2125 01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:34,360 Speaker 2: but with rape Chicago, that's the land of ape roaches Obama. 2126 01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,360 Speaker 3: Black musics of a shop, says White. 2127 01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:44,839 Speaker 2: Doctor Manning want to be lecturer about prostitution, Damon, says Zanna. 2128 01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:46,800 Speaker 3: White says Joe Spacely. 2129 01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:48,160 Speaker 6: Uh. 2130 01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:53,800 Speaker 2: Color of Derreck Rose's future Black said Caz always, says 2131 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:57,800 Speaker 2: Bill Cosey, hucksbans do will prodigy. Uh hmm, I'm gonna 2132 01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,200 Speaker 2: go with black. Couldn't afford a nice hotel, Black free 2133 01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:03,000 Speaker 2: Dahmin's first cousin. Man. Everybody split over this one. The 2134 01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:05,880 Speaker 2: correct answer is and many of you got it black, 2135 01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:29,840 Speaker 2: some of you did miss it. It's gonna start touring 2136 01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:34,160 Speaker 2: doing rape lectures at colleges. Now, yeah, Yeah, you're gonna 2137 01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:35,920 Speaker 2: start doing rape lectures at colleges now. 2138 01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:37,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 2139 01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,120 Speaker 2: I just came here to talk about you. Now look 2140 01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:45,639 Speaker 2: to your left, then look to your right. One out 2141 01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:50,120 Speaker 2: of every two of y'all gonna get right, ah, and 2142 01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,200 Speaker 2: it's gonna be by me. Close the doors, close the doors, 2143 01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:57,559 Speaker 2: and this a hands on lecture right here, y'all. Y'all 2144 01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:01,599 Speaker 2: about to learn some lessons today. Y'all gonna learn today, 2145 01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:07,040 Speaker 2: good grief, audacity. Right then he confessed the more crimes 2146 01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:08,840 Speaker 2: I killed from people to y'all, I want to go 2147 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:09,559 Speaker 2: to super jail. 2148 01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,280 Speaker 5: You spent all the years in the jail, all of them. 2149 01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:14,639 Speaker 2: By the way, you guys are free to go and leave. 2150 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,439 Speaker 2: And here's a self of of my face, a signed 2151 01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:18,880 Speaker 2: to your phone. 2152 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:20,240 Speaker 5: What's youall know about sending it to your phone? 2153 01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,960 Speaker 2: I love jail. I love it. And ex con who 2154 01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:27,760 Speaker 2: just finished a fifteen year robbery sentence, has admitted that 2155 01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:31,240 Speaker 2: he robbed the same New Jersey shoe store as the 2156 01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,280 Speaker 2: same clerk was behind the counter. 2157 01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:39,720 Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding me, prosecutor say. 2158 01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,560 Speaker 2: Forty one year old Christopher Miller robbed the Stride Right 2159 01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,080 Speaker 2: store in Toms River in March twenty fourteen, a day 2160 01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:48,480 Speaker 2: after he was released from prison after finishing his jail 2161 01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,560 Speaker 2: term for the first robbery. Police saint Miller made off 2162 01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,680 Speaker 2: with three hundred and eighty nine dollars and fled on 2163 01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,560 Speaker 2: foot with the employee's cell phones. 2164 01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,920 Speaker 5: Three and eighty nine damn dollars. 2165 01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,000 Speaker 2: The clerk has been notified about Miller's release and identified 2166 01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:05,080 Speaker 2: the suet suspect as the same person who rode the 2167 01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,560 Speaker 2: store in nineteen ninety nine. Milliclely the guilty the second 2168 01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,120 Speaker 2: degree robbery on Monday, faced the prison term of ten 2169 01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:14,160 Speaker 2: to twenty years in prison, and when he sent uced 2170 01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:14,520 Speaker 2: in May. 2171 01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,400 Speaker 4: So they were already on alert that, you know, because 2172 01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,320 Speaker 4: they probably because it was a crime. So they was like, hey, 2173 01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:24,360 Speaker 4: just let y'all know he's getting released. You're probably thinking, well, 2174 01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:25,560 Speaker 4: I never see him again. 2175 01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:31,480 Speaker 5: Oh okay, you want some you rob me again? Do 2176 01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:32,720 Speaker 5: you know I'm the same person. 2177 01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,720 Speaker 3: Maybe they put on some weight, you know, maybe they 2178 01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,360 Speaker 3: look different. I don't know. 2179 01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:39,400 Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, fifteen years a pretty long time. 2180 01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, could have been anything. Nobody guessing the ricks. Now 2181 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,680 Speaker 2: what's going on here is everybody? Let me make sure 2182 01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,440 Speaker 2: that the internet's still Yeah, the internet is still working. 2183 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:51,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with to guests, A 2184 01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:52,760 Speaker 2: ya slow. 2185 01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:56,520 Speaker 3: What an idiot black black winding. 2186 01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,760 Speaker 2: Them New Kd's come in though, black main black crab 2187 01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:04,200 Speaker 2: nebul little mall rat couldn't help it because she got that. 2188 01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:12,520 Speaker 2: She got that new Jay's black Dave Jah Jiggaboo supervillain, 2189 01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:16,640 Speaker 2: black bootleg Jay's black damn bro. There is a footlock 2190 01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,720 Speaker 2: of black. I asked for air force ones black. 2191 01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:24,000 Speaker 3: Well, the correct answer is, and you guys all missed it. 2192 01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:25,960 Speaker 3: It is white. 2193 01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:32,880 Speaker 5: Somebody guess white. 2194 01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:36,520 Speaker 3: Too? 2195 01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:44,640 Speaker 2: Wait you all get those booths, beyonna gotta guess into let. 2196 01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys, very sick, very rather very strict, but 2197 01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:52,600 Speaker 2: you got it right, sweetie. Uh no, you don't get 2198 01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:56,160 Speaker 2: any chairs. You got it wrong, steady wrong, steady alongs 2199 01:56:56,200 --> 01:57:03,280 Speaker 2: what I'll say. Let's see so uh let's go to 2200 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,400 Speaker 2: the bonus round here and maybe Dianna can actually guess 2201 01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:23,160 Speaker 2: some time this time. Okay, race, that's right, this bonus 2202 01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,320 Speaker 2: round against the race, so everything's worth double the points, 2203 01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:28,400 Speaker 2: double the racism. So far, people are mostly one for 2204 01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,160 Speaker 2: one one, I mean two and one because they missed 2205 01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,600 Speaker 2: that last joint. But let's see what they can do 2206 01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:41,760 Speaker 2: on this last one. Let's see ah here one uh 2207 01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:46,760 Speaker 2: Green Acres, Florida. Green Acres is the place to be. 2208 01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,600 Speaker 2: A woman told Belice that she was nude on a 2209 01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,040 Speaker 2: bench outside of Duck and Donuts as part of a 2210 01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:59,520 Speaker 2: pledge for a dance troop, Oh Florida, a dance troop. 2211 01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,760 Speaker 2: Green Naggers Police were called to the Dunck and Donuts 2212 01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:08,360 Speaker 2: at nine pm Sunday. Officers said when they arrived, Schakarra Martin, 2213 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,520 Speaker 2: thirty two, was sitting on a bench in front of 2214 01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,000 Speaker 2: the establishment can completely naked. 2215 01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:15,320 Speaker 3: Corner Officers. 2216 01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,600 Speaker 2: Martin apologized and stated that she came to Duck and 2217 01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,960 Speaker 2: Donuts naked on the dell. The dare was part of 2218 01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,520 Speaker 2: a pledge for a dance troop. 2219 01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:24,680 Speaker 3: According to the. 2220 01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:28,080 Speaker 2: Onlookers, the woman was offered clothing multiple times and refused. 2221 01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:31,879 Speaker 2: Martin was arrested by Greenaggas Police on an indecent exposure 2222 01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,560 Speaker 2: charge book and they released the Palm Beach count of jail. 2223 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,760 Speaker 3: Guess the race of Schakara Martin. 2224 01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,480 Speaker 5: Everybody in chack goddamn dance troop? 2225 01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:42,480 Speaker 3: A dance troup? 2226 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:43,120 Speaker 2: What the fuck? 2227 01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:43,480 Speaker 3: Ray? 2228 01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:44,560 Speaker 5: What kind of dance troop? 2229 01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:44,880 Speaker 3: Is this? 2230 01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:47,600 Speaker 2: How long was she thirty two or some shit like, yeah, 2231 01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:51,040 Speaker 2: thirty two years old? Who pledges to a dance troop 2232 01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:51,840 Speaker 2: at thirty two? 2233 01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,560 Speaker 5: I have no idea. I think it's. 2234 01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:57,760 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Well. 2235 01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,280 Speaker 2: I've got a little delay, all right, she could at 2236 01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,400 Speaker 2: least with the Krispy Kreme black. 2237 01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:04,920 Speaker 6: One. 2238 01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:06,840 Speaker 3: Who's gonna catch ammonia? Black? 2239 01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:09,480 Speaker 2: So you think you can be naked in front of 2240 01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,360 Speaker 2: a doughnut shop and no cops show up? 2241 01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:13,280 Speaker 3: Dan's troop Equal Magic City Black? 2242 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:19,200 Speaker 2: My line name is Neutitude Black, Double Dog Dare you 2243 01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:21,640 Speaker 2: to show them Double D's Black sorority? 2244 01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,160 Speaker 3: Sister Gone Wild, Stomp the yard? 2245 01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:29,560 Speaker 2: Black wants to be in the Wiz Black and black 2246 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,680 Speaker 2: the correct ansa is and all of you got it black. 2247 01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:47,400 Speaker 2: I think it was the name Sheikar that gave it away. 2248 01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:53,080 Speaker 3: You see your picture? Oh my mm hmmm. 2249 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:55,240 Speaker 5: It's a lot going on. 2250 01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:58,040 Speaker 2: What's going on the side of her face? They're like 2251 01:59:58,080 --> 01:59:58,480 Speaker 2: a scar? 2252 01:59:58,960 --> 01:59:59,560 Speaker 6: What is the word? 2253 01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:04,280 Speaker 3: I what's up with her? Is that an eyelashes? 2254 02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:08,000 Speaker 5: I don't know, Big Bird do her eyelashes? What's happening here? 2255 02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 2256 02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:11,720 Speaker 2: I feel like, no, that's nothing for Leff because she 2257 02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,800 Speaker 2: looks like a mister potato head or something. 2258 02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:15,920 Speaker 5: I don't know. She don't even look real. 2259 02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. 2260 02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:21,400 Speaker 5: You do like a mister potato like. You just just 2261 02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:23,720 Speaker 5: rearrange your face around and make something brand new. 2262 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,960 Speaker 3: You get better naked people at Dunkle at Christy Kream. 2263 02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure of it. 2264 02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,240 Speaker 3: I bet you you do, because they be hot. 2265 02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:31,120 Speaker 5: And now you know what. 2266 02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:35,440 Speaker 2: Make dad some donuts. 2267 02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Talk about sore ratchetness. 2268 02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,960 Speaker 2: All right, suspect the raced it in a cold case 2269 02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:08,400 Speaker 2: involving a Samurai sword for accused of and. 2270 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,400 Speaker 8: Murder that took place almost seven years ago. Twenty news 2271 02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:13,839 Speaker 8: was in court today is twenty two year old Ismael 2272 02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:17,040 Speaker 8: Rodriguez was arranged on a murder charge after a forty 2273 02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:19,960 Speaker 8: four year old amberto Brenda's of Holyoke was killed in 2274 02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:22,880 Speaker 8: two thousand and eight. Brenda's dyed from a stab wound 2275 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,600 Speaker 8: in his Holyoke apartment on June first, two thousand and eight. 2276 02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,520 Speaker 2: There you go. Took him forever, but they finally got 2277 02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:35,840 Speaker 2: him a cold case murder solved. Glad they got his 2278 02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,320 Speaker 2: ass off the streets. All right, guys, we'll be back 2279 02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,520 Speaker 2: tomorrow after I fixed this podcast. Staying up till two 2280 02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,640 Speaker 2: and three in the morning. Yes, because the technical difficulties. 2281 02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Chat Room, everybody hung in there 2282 02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:51,800 Speaker 2: and hung out with us. We really appreciate you, guys, 2283 02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:56,160 Speaker 2: and we'll see you guys tomorrow. Until then, I love you. 2284 02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:57,840 Speaker 5: I love you too,