WEBVTT - Wesley Staples Meets World 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.680 So I had a very strange night last night. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:25.919 I found myself walking a street at night and I 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.680 turned the corner and I came upon Chris Collinsworth. You 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.159 know Chris Collinsworth is he's the football commentator. And he 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.440 was bowling in the middle of the street. Wait, what 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.080 so exactly weird night? So I tried to tell him 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.479 that I was actually going to be building a bowling 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.280 alley in my home and he should join me. But 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.920 before that, he decided we needed to get Chinese food 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.000 where we met you, Danielle. That then turned into you 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.440 and I together on an island, trying to figure out 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.319 how we were going to get off, and that's when 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:03.080 I realized I was dreaming. So my question for you 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.800 is because I've started to believe that's a very dream. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.400 It was really bizarre, and I could have gotten into 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.200 all the details. Chris Collinsworth and I trying to hang 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.840 a banner while we're in the Chinese restaurant. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.240 I don't remember what the banner says. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.360 But then when Danielle, when you and I ended up 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.240 together on the island, we were spent the first part 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.160 of trying to figure out what the hell was going on? 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.479 Why were we on this island? And then how we're 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.480 going to get off? It was very strange, and I started. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.080 To realize that the older I'm getting, the more vivid 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.320 my dreams are becoming. And I'm wondering if that is 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.280 the same for either of you, Like do you when 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:39.839 you dream? 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.440 Is it like you are? I am fully immersed. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.040 I can smell everything, I can touch everything, I can 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:45.640 see everything. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.280 It is vibrant. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.200 Wow. Yeah, I'm so jealous. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.160 Yeah, you got to enjoy it. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.880 Yeah, you're on the island. It wasn't alone. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.080 I used to dream like. I used to have such 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.920 vivid dreams as a kid. I dream less nowadays, but 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.960 I do. I'm I'm usually I'm a lucid dreamer, so 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.000 I'm usually in control, so I have a lot of 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.959 Like now when I dream, it's really fun. I mostly fly. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.720 I mostly choose to fly. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.440 It takes work. It's kind of like I have to 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.720 hold my breath and like swim through the air. Like 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.200 takes a little bit. But I usually I am aware 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.360 that I'm dreaming. I get to stay within my dream 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.080 and then I'm like, well, let's have some fun with this, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.560 and I start flying around and I love it. It's 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.040 but like I said it, only I think I only 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.840 dream like once a week nowadays. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.919 Everybody, everybody apparently dreams every night, is what they say. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.799 No, sure, I just don't remember. You just don't remember them. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.040 uh no, nothing. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.120 Nothing, just nothing. 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.480 You don't even have fun and dreams. You're not like 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.679 organizing things in your dream or No. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.000 That is the problem is that my dreams are usually 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.720 just things that were going on for me during the day, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.600 and I can't shut my brain off. So, like when 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.120 I'm directing something that's particularly ricky, I will be directing 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:07.880 the same scene over and over again and trying to like, well, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.200 I've got to think about this, and what if the 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.840 producers want that and maybe they'll read it like this, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.040 And how am I going to get this one to happen? 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.080 What do I have to say to her in order 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.360 to get her to do that thing? And she's gonna 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.200 have to remember her lines? And then I'll be like, oh, hey, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.320 this isn't this is a dream. And I'd say to 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.919 myself in my dream, Danielle, stop, you get to direct tomorrow. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.320 You don't have to do this right now. Try to 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.040 go to sleep, And then I immediately go, well, what 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.600 am I gonna do? Am I gonna leave that door open? 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.400 What if I and I just try to solve problems 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:33.560 as it's super RESTful. But my sleep hygiene now involves 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.920 taking a five milligram melatonin and a unism and they 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.880 do different things. The melatonin helps me feel drowsy enough 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.080 to fall asleep, and the unism will help me stay 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.640 asleep throughout the night. And I wonder if that is 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.880 affecting because I used to remember more dreams. Now, if 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.640 I remember anything, it's literally just that my brain won't 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.760 stop running, and I very rarely remember them. But I 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.640 would love to have vivid dreams. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:01.480 The island on the island. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:01.840 You know what? 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.120 All I know for sure is that you made me 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.920 want to eat Chinese food. So I definitely. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.560 Dreaming again in a half an hour? Do you guys? 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:14.680 Do you guys? Do you guys? Do you guys ever dream? 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.800 On stage a Boy's World? 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.039 Are you? 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:17.560 Do you ever? 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:17.760 Get? 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:19.599 And I don't know my lines? And I don't I 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:20.320 haven't read the screen. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.800 I actually don't. I don't remember boy me. I have 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.200 actor dreams. You're never on the set of boy Met World. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.320 I'm always in limis or the graduate. It's it's usually 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.760 the plays that I've done. I don't have anxiety dreams, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.839 but but I do have actor anxiety dreams, but it's 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:33.960 never on on stage. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.880 But yes, you can never read the script. You ever 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:36.640 can't read the script. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.360 You are the wrong pages, you'd be through and everybody's waiting. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.840 For you what you're doing and the audience is there, and. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.479 Why can't I just read this? And then if I 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.240 finally can read it, it's the wrong lines and I'm just 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:50.159 so stressed out. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.280 It's the worst. I hate it. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.960 There's also so there's different schools of thought when it 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.440 comes to dreaming. There's some people that say that you 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.560 can't read in a dream at all there, but then 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.279 there's other people that say, no, no, no, that's not 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.400 actually true. That's triggering a certain part of your your 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.560 brain that you can read in. So I don't know 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.039 which one of those is accurate and which one is 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:08.560 I mean. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.119 They say that if you want to become a loocid 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.560 dream where you start learning the different cues to like practice, Yeah, well, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.520 there's also glass wear glasses where they shoot the little 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:17.400 lazy to shoot. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:18.520 The light into the corner of your eye. Which is 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:18.960 one of the. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.400 Treasuries that you can look at a clock and if 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.000 you can't tell you can't read clocks when you're dreaming, 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.719 apparently like similar to reading. So if you're ever, like 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.000 am I dreaming, you can try and like read a clock. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.400 And if it if it's always like the numbers are changing, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.039 you can't figure out what time it is. It's usually 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.200 a sign that you're dreaming and hopefully you won't wake up, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.159 you'll stay within the dream, but now be in control 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.960 of Okay, yeah, I mean you think about how much 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.520 of your life you're living sleeping. Yeah, it's like you 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.000 and your brain experience Like I remember having so many 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.840 epic dreams that we're full stories, you know. I felt 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.480 like I had lived lifetimes. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.000 Wakes the movie. It's the movie playing. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.080 But that what you just said is so funny because 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.680 I remember going to buy a mattress and Sue and 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.320 I are there and we're trying all the mattresses and 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.360 then we get one and we're like, oh, this is 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.000 like a cloud. Oh my god, this is the most 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.680 amazing thing. The guy told us the price like this 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.760 is six thousand dollars. We're like, we're not spending that, 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.719 and the guy's like, think about how much time you 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.640 spend in your car and how much money you spend 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.640 on that. Now, think about how much time you spend 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.760 in your bed and how you don't want to spend 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:19.160 money in that. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.200 We're like, oh, we still didn't buy because it was ridiculous. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.200 But it was like, good, Oh my god, you're right, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.640 that's a good salesperson. It was because it was like, right. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.840 I wish it was more of our life, just a 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:30.920 little more, just. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.320 A little more, and just with your eyes closed, when 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.720 you're gonna direct and how you're gonna get up and 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.320 how you're gonna do all this. Oh my god, it 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.640 sounds awesome. By the way, we had a great time 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.520 on the island. You should have joined me, I know, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:42.239 but next. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.200 Time, invite me. Next time let me know, And tonight 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.880 I'll try to dream about Yeah, Chris Gold in the 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:47.479 middle of the street. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:48.279 In the middle of the street. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.440 I also as you were telling the story, I was like, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.200 I have so many questions. You thinking of building a 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:53.839 bowling alley in your house? I was like, wait a minute, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.000 Chris Collinsworth lives near us. They were just kept going 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.400 and then I was like, Oh, I think I was 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.200 dream I know where this is going. That's what Welcome 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.040 to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm rather or Strong, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.239 and I'm will Fredell. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.440 I said it etherially. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:23.160 Yes, asmrsh Yes. When we first drafted a list of 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.360 possible guests for Pod Meets World, we had basically three 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.920 categories will do it, might do it, and won't do it. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.760 And even though we had this week's guest somewhere in 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.960 between might and won't, we knew it would be impossible 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.680 to talk about our experiences on Boy Meets World without him. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.720 He was one of our two set teachers, Wesley Staples 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.880 between him and the late Great David Combs. Calling them 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.680 just teachers is difficult. Yes, they made sure we finished 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.600 our assignments and completed the required amount of school needed 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.160 to have a work permit. But they also both took 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.360 it one step further, making sure we weren't just child 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.360 actors getting a free pass through life. They chow leed 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.760 us and made sure the little bubble we were being 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.680 raised in also had information steadily flowing through it. Their 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.640 responsibilities went beyond making sure that that week's episode was completed. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.240 They made sure a bunch of kids' lives weren't totally 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.360 ruined by chasing their dreams. It is no coincidence that 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.200 Ben went on to Stanford, Writer went on to Columbia, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.640 and I graduated cal State Fullerton. We were taught to 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.640 think for ourselves and care about our education, and we 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.200 have Wesley and David to think for that. In addition 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.240 to Boy Meets World and then later Girl Meets World, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.680 he'd also help shape the minds on the set of 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.760 Ten Things I Hate About You, Insidious two, Planet of 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.920 the Apes, and much much more. This week, we're honored 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.360 to welcome one of the most influential people on the 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.600 set of Boy Meets World, someone very near and dear 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:51.360 to our hearts, a real mister Feenie. Wesley Staples the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.480 Boy Meets World set to the Phoenie set. That's the 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.840 that's from the the thing. I think it is taken 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.400 directly from the final episode. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.880 I think, so, yeah, yeah, it's awesome. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.480 I don't have it there all the time. I want 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:04.880 you to know. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:06.559 You should. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:07.840 I don't know why you don't. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.280 All your zoom meanings should be from Phoenie's office. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.800 My gosh, you look exactly the same, Wesley. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.520 Yeah, well almost eighty. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:23.360 Hello, wow, great man, and you're tan and bronzed. Have 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.760 you been in Mexico recently? 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.360 Yeah? The beach is actually in the background, so I know. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.280 That's what I was going to say. You live at 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.080 the beach, don't you? 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.520 Well part time, I'm still working in my way. I 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.960 spend a lot of time here, so wonderful. Yeah. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.880 So I'm going to start with a real softball question, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.440 which which of the three of us do you like 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:45.840 the most? 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.439 They intend to incriminate. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.840 It would have to be, in all fairness, Wesley, you 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.640 and I did not get to spend a lot of 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.280 time in the classroom together, so it would have to 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:58.440 be between Danielle and Ryder. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:09:59.600 I completely understand that. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.760 I do. I do, however, have a favorite bit that 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.720 you did. Will It's my favorite of all you know, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.040 why whine. It's the only episode I ever watched. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.920 Is it the one where I'm laying in your lap? 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:17.640 Yes? 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.680 Wait, explain that. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.440 But it's your song that just oh god. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.600 This is the graduation episode we actually had. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.520 Wesley and David were the teachers that are sitting next 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.080 to mister Feenie and I'm singing to sir with love 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.680 while draped across their laps. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.280 Yeah, well that's right, the absolute best. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.520 It's so funny. That was great. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.560 Now, Wesley, how did you get into being an on 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.040 set teacher? Take us back to the beginning of being 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:49.880 a studio teacher. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:54.920 For us, I was five minutes in the Broadway show 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:00.400 nineteen seventy and decided that I'd rather teach. I ended 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.559 up seven years in the South Bronx and decided that 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.240 probably rare they not teach there anymore because it was hard, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.680 if you take it seriously, work yourself to the bone. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:17.480 So I left New York with another show, and the 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.080 King and I the Oldrunner, and I came to New 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.680 York to La and there a teacher was required for 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.679 the kids in the show. So she and I became 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.160 best friends, and I said, I did it. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.120 Did you always want to be a teacher? 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.480 Yeah? I liked I always liked being around kids, young people, 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:41.400 And yeah I wanted to be a dancer. But you know, 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.200 you get five minutes in the show, but because you 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.000 know somebody, not because you're a talented dancer. So I 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.960 saw myself struggling teaching five dollars dance classes at sixty 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.120 and that's not a pretty picture. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.760 Right you saw that far into the future and thought 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.160 that is not for me. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.720 No, what was you? 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.920 I have to ask what was we're going back in 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.160 the day when we're talking about some of the most 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.880 influential people in the history of Hollywood. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.080 What was Yule Brenner like? 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.440 I remember his curtain calls every night and he learned 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.520 it from Maria Callis. He said. He would come out 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.680 onto the stage and stand and stare at the audience, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.200 and they would eventually get to their feet, and then 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.040 he'd give them what they want, you know, and they'd cheer, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.400 except for Wednesday's, which was blue you know, blue night 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.719 in the theater, Blue blue Wednesday. All the ladies in 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.920 the suburbs come and they all had blue hair, so 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.319 they were too tired. They liked it, but they wouldn't stand. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.080 Every time they didn't stand, he said f you and 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:42.959 turned and left. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:49.000 Wow, challenging the audience until you got your standing. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.160 Ovation that that's old school. That's old school. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.480 I have amazing. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:57.760 Oh that's brilliant. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.600 So Wesley, I want to know what what is like 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.960 because I don't think I realized that you taught for 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:08.520 seven years before becoming a studio teacher. So what's the 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.680 difference between being a regular school teacher and then being 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:13.800 an onset teacher. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.800 Well, I mean a lot of what you do, especially 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.480 in the South Bronx with the by the way, my 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.120 first students turned seventy two this year. Anyway, let's get 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.960 past that. Wow. A big part of it is discipline, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.880 and so you learn all kinds of tricks and attitudes 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.160 and that deal with discipline. That's the most important thing. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.040 Otherwise you get nothing taught. But then the South Bronx 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.400 it's a humanitarian thing. You have kids who haven't eaten 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.800 for a couple of days, so the only meal they 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.079 get is a not very substantial breakfast when they get 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.600 there in the morning. So it's a big challenge and 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:58.160 you feel like you're such an important thing for their life. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:05.080 It's beyond teaching nouns and adverbs and adjectives. It's human things. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:12.480 It's being respectful and kind and changing. The first day 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.040 I got there, there was a pile of desks in 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.000 the middle of the floor because the previous teacher had 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.120 been taken out in the straight jacket literally, so it 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.040 was challenging to get them in order and what an 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.240 order meant that you cared for them and they. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.880 Yeah, not unlike being a parent where you come to realize, oh, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.520 they actually feel the best when there are rules and boundaries, 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.960 and when we enforce them, they actually behave better as 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.960 opposed to just letting them have a free for all. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.000 And you don't do it out of fear. But the 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.120 one I did the first few months at a as 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.080 a substitute at a junior high school before I went 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.080 on to senior high school, and my kids were struggling 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.840 to put those desks together and sit in them and 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.800 so forth. And uh. The next door neighbor, Kenny, was 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.640 a Jim dj dot health and his I walked past 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.920 to his room and kids would be sitting straight upright 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.960 staring at him without barely breathing. And I said, in 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.360 the teacher's room, Kenny, what you do? He said, the 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.760 first day of school, the first person who peeps, I 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.560 picked them up and throw them against the wall. They 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.000 don't pick at all. After that, Oh my gosh, wow, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.760 I decided, no, no, not me. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.880 That's like that's like prison rules. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.880 That's like the first day picking out the biggest guy 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.720 and starting a fight. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.040 Well, that's that's how you were on set too, right 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:39.200 when you when you first meet characters. That's right up, Savage. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:44.040 I'll never forget when he picked up across the room. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.320 I knew from that moment. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.840 On that's how I was with you, and you didn't 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.040 want to do chemistry. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:50.480 Oh, chemistry, I. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.360 Will never forget. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.320 Do you know? 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.960 Here's how bad it got. I was so far behind 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.000 in chemistry my like I guess my tenth grade year would. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.120 But then over the summer I was still doing it 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.520 in Rome because he was Rachel's teacher in Rome. So 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.360 I went to Rome for like six weeks and I 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.200 was living in Rome, and you were still like writer chemistry. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.640 And I was like doing homework all summer. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.840 But you don't remember to take the LA when you 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.160 locked yourself in that plywood classroom and refused him out 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.000 until you didn't have to do chemistry anymore? 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.440 Yeah, did I really wait? You guys? 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.280 I also have a chemistry story with Wesley. Wesley got 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.360 so fed up with trying to teach me chemistry. He 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.800 brought in another woman, a totally different teacher, and was like, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.120 she's gonna teach you chemistry, And he was like, I'm 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.240 not doing this again, probably because you had scarred him forever. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:46.440 Right. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.160 It was awful, and he's like, I'm not doing this again, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.800 and so he brought in this dear frenchwoman who was 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.320 so lovely and was trying to teach me chemistry, and 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.800 we would do my tests together and she would go, Okay, now, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.680 on this question, what do you think the answer is? 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:11.159 And I'd go she'd go, why do you think it's me? 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.879 And I'd go, well, maybe it's actually you know what, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:19.560 now I think about it. See, I literally never I never, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.199 I swear to you. I don't remember a single thing 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.040 about chemistry, and you know what, I'm never going to 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.720 use it. I can't stand it. Boo on chemistry. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.560 So you're saying the scientific world lost nothing when the 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:32.920 two of you decided to stay in the. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.000 Entertainment industry and not become chemists. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.439 Okay, actually enjoyed it. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.560 I just managed to make it last so long because 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.399 I was so bad at it. It took me forever 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.720 to get through it. But I did actually like the 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.680 mental part of it, but not like, oh my god, no. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.679 So obviously his name is going to come up dozens 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.480 of times for the next hour. So I would like 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.639 to talk about your co teacher someone the listeners already 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.480 have heard a lot about David Holmes, who we lost 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.920 earlier this year. I like to think that he's here 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.280 with us for this interview right now, because there's there's 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.800 nothing that would have been better than to have the 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.560 two of you here to talk with us. Did you 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.600 know David before Boy Meets World started? Did he was? 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.600 He the one who brought you in? And okay, how 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:20.680 did you to meet? 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.119 Just union stuff and my job here and a job there, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.439 and also I would day play on Wonder Years and 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:36.560 he was one of the major teachers on One Beers right. Yeah, 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.680 it's like a punch in the gut. That's very hard. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.920 I think. I think of him all the time. Yeah, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.640 it's amazing human being. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.480 Yes he was. He was eccentric and weird, and that's brilliant, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.840 brilliant exactly the things that make them different instead of 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.000 the things that you could just say about anybody. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.000 He had a vicious sense of humor. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.520 He did, he did, Yes, he did. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.359 And am I remembering it correctly that you were primarily 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.359 brought in then when Lee and I were added to 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.240 the cast, right like you came in when there started 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.680 to become more kid actors. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:12.879 And another teacher in Nancy Flint. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:19.560 I actually remember your interview, your interview, the parents interviewed you, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.399 and then they brought us in to meet you. And 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.960