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Speaker 1: So I had a very strange night last night.

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Speaker 2: I found myself walking a street at night and I

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Speaker 2: so exactly weird night? So I tried to tell him

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Speaker 2: before that, he decided we needed to get Chinese food

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Speaker 2: where we met you, Danielle. That then turned into you

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Speaker 2: and I together on an island, trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: how we were going to get off, and that's when

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Speaker 2: I realized I was dreaming. So my question for you

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Speaker 2: It was really bizarre, and I could have gotten into

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Speaker 2: all the details. Chris Collinsworth and I trying to hang

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Speaker 2: a banner while we're in the Chinese restaurant.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what the banner says.

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Speaker 2: But then when Danielle, when you and I ended up

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Speaker 1: Why were we on this island? And then how we're

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Speaker 2: To realize that the older I'm getting, the more vivid

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Speaker 1: Is it like you are? I am fully immersed.

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Speaker 2: I can smell everything, I can touch everything, I can

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Speaker 1: It is vibrant.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I'm so jealous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on the island. It wasn't alone.

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Speaker 4: I used to dream like. I used to have such

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Speaker 4: Like now when I dream, it's really fun. I mostly fly.

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Speaker 4: It takes work. It's kind of like I have to

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Speaker 4: and I start flying around and I love it. It's

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Speaker 4: but like I said it, only I think I only

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Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody apparently dreams every night, is what they say.

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Speaker 1: No, sure, I just don't remember. You just don't remember them. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: You don't even have fun and dreams. You're not like

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Speaker 3: That is the problem is that my dreams are usually

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Speaker 3: And how am I going to get this one to happen?

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do this right now. Try to

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Speaker 1: The island on the island.

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 3: All I know for sure is that you made me

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Speaker 1: Dreaming again in a half an hour? Do you guys?

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Speaker 1: Do you guys? Do you guys? Do you guys ever dream?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know my lines? And I don't I

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Speaker 4: I actually don't. I don't remember boy me. I have

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Speaker 1: But yes, you can never read the script. You ever

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Speaker 4: You are the wrong pages, you'd be through and everybody's waiting.

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Speaker 4: Why can't I just read this? And then if I

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Speaker 2: There's also so there's different schools of thought when it

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Speaker 1: sounds awesome. By the way, we had a great time

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Speaker 3: Yes, asmrsh Yes. When we first drafted a list of

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Speaker 3: He was one of our two set teachers, Wesley Staples

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Speaker 3: Ten Things I Hate About You, Insidious two, Planet of

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Speaker 3: to our hearts, a real mister Feenie. Wesley Staples the

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Speaker 3: Boy Meets World set to the Phoenie set. That's the

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Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, yeah, it's awesome.

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Speaker 5: I don't have it there all the time. I want

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Speaker 1: You should.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you don't.

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Speaker 4: All your zoom meanings should be from Phoenie's office.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, you look exactly the same, Wesley.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well almost eighty.

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Speaker 3: Hello, wow, great man, and you're tan and bronzed. Have

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to start with a real softball question,

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Here's how bad it got. I was so far behind

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Speaker 5: But you don't remember to take the LA when you

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Speaker 3: I also have a chemistry story with Wesley. Wesley got

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Speaker 2: So you're saying the scientific world lost nothing when the

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Speaker 3: Okay, actually enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: I just managed to make it last so long because

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Speaker 3: So obviously his name is going to come up dozens

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Speaker 5: Just union stuff and my job here and a job there,

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Speaker 3: Yes he was. He was eccentric and weird, and that's brilliant,

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Speaker 5: He had a vicious sense of humor.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, we have two duties, welfare and teaching, and

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Speaker 5: I I like to come early, I like to settle in.

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Speaker 5: prep of the classroom how I start my days, and

442
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 5: and and But with Boy Meets World, they were fax

443
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 5: machines on the desk and I get there Monday morning

444
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 5: and they'd be tests and worksheets and all of that.

445
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 5: Because at that time you were doing it mostly what

446
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 5: teachers were doing in their classrooms, not so much with

447
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: none such but a bit. That's great that that was

448
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 5: a good approach because it allowed us more leeway. Now

449
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 5: it's eight of every ten have just screens, and many

450
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 5: many I know you and writer take things. You take

451
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: it very seriously. I know what you've done with school

452
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 5: and your kids, but not a lot of people do that.

453
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 5: It's like an easy entry into the film industry. If

454
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 5: they don't have to go to school, and I see

455
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 5: kids in the fifth grade or don't know how to

456
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 5: add some trust or write, they're not being taught script anymore.

457
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 5: It's dumbing down. I think, yeah, yeah, that was well.

458
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: That was one of the things that was so wonderful.

459
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: I was not a good student for a long time

460
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: in middle school and then early in high school, and

461
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: then I met David. And one of the things that

462
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: David did for me my school. I went to a

463
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: very good public high school in my town in Connecticut,

464
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: but they weren't equipped to have a child actor to

465
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: where they're going to send a syllabus. They just didn't

466
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: know what to do. So essentially what they did with

467
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: David's help is they said, go pick college courses. Pick

468
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: whichever college courses you want, and we'll give you credit

469
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: for that. So David and I got to sit and

470
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: that was the first time in my life where I

471
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: had a teacher who was like, what do you want

472
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: to learn? What's gonna get you to that place of you.

473
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: You're not doing this because you have to be there.

474
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: You're doing this because you have a love of actually

475
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: learning it. What is that going to take? And of

476
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: course we have certain things we have to hit, but

477
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: other than the two or three things we have to hit,

478
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: what do you want to learn? And I remember he

479
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: and I going through the different catalogs and it was

480
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: like ooh anthropology, ooh archaeology course.

481
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: Oh, He's like, let's do it, let's do it.

482
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: Let's and then we'd sit there And so it wasn't

483
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: that I was getting better grades, which I was. I

484
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: was like a C student when I met David and

485
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: an a student when I left.

486
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: But what he taught me was the love of learning.

487
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: That was the thing that was so amazing about it

488
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: was that it was it was on on me and

489
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: it was him him sitting there just going what what's

490
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: what's it gonna take? What's it gonna take? Because I

491
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: started with him going like, I don't have very good grades.

492
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't like cracking books. It's just not my way.

493
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: I like to be the funny guy in class. And

494
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, well, what do you want to learn.

495
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I like mythology. Great, let's take a

496
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: big we're gonna do We're gonna do two courses in mythology.

497
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: We're gonna do this.

498
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 2: And by the end it was then me without him

499
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: going ooh, what do I want to learn next?

500
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: What do I want to learn next?

501
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: So that was what I took away from David almost

502
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: more than anything else, was he taught me the love

503
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: of learning and the best way for me to learn.

504
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: And that's something that I think, so that's what makes

505
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: a great teacher is is it's he left me with

506
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: more than the grid. He left me with just needing

507
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: to learn more and that's what he taught me more

508
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: than anything else. So very fortunate, well, oh god, hugely fortunate.

509
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: And that's what I take away from him more than

510
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: anything else.

511
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: And I have to say, like that was a benefit,

512
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 4: you know, that sort of one on one attention is

513
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: like the benefit of being on a set and having

514
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: a studio teacher. Unfortunately, it wasn't always the case that

515
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: the studio teacher was was interested in that. You know,

516
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: my experiences before Boy Meets World were you know, it

517
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: was it was a mixed bag. There would be times

518
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 4: when there would be a studio teacher, big air quotes,

519
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: who you know, had maybe gone through some sort of

520
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 4: certification or whatever to be a welfare worker, but had

521
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 4: no actual educational experience or desire. And you know, you

522
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: made that joke about none such which was the name

523
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: of my high school. There was a time when I

524
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: was I was guest starring on some show and the

525
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: studio teacher was there found out that I was reading

526
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 4: a Stephen King book and took it away from me

527
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 4: because it was too adult, it's too grown up, and

528
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to read, you know, a book that

529
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: was about whatever she deemed, you know. And then I

530
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: remember her having to fill out the form at the

531
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 4: end of the week or the day or whatever to

532
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: say like, you know what you know about what I

533
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: got done or or did our hours or whatever. And

534
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 4: she was like and writer, what's the name of your

535
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: high school? I was like, none, such, just like, writer,

536
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: what is the name of your high school? It's none, No,

537
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: it's not no, it's not. Come back and talk to

538
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 4: me when you when you've thought about what you're saying.

539
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: It was like they were just disciplinarians. They didn't care,

540
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: you know, it was just like get the hours in.

541
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: So you guys were just I mean, it was a

542
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: revelation I think for all your teachers.

543
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: You were.

544
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 5: Actually there was an educational theorist and scientists in the

545
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 5: late fifties named Robert Gardner, and he came up with

546
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 5: the theory of multiple intelligences, and there were eight He

547
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 5: came up with a now they're like twenty eight or

548
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 5: something different. Brilliance that people have that explain why you

549
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 5: shouldn't force people into narrow pathways, you know, not me,

550
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 5: So what I mean, yeah, okay, fine, but that's not

551
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 5: the brilliance that some people have to But that person

552
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: might be able to be on the basketball court and

553
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: see things in slow motion and be a Michael Jordan.

554
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 5: I mean that's brilliance. Who are danced to, who can

555
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: remember the body form and associated with the music and

556
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 5: do Swan Lake like nothing. I mean, that's a brilliance.

557
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 5: A bit. A guy who can fix a motorcycle in

558
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 5: his sleep is a brilliance that some of us don't have.

559
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 5: And send some kids who are adhd or or for

560
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 5: some reason just hate everything to do with school, like

561
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 5: you were fortunate to find, can can find ways of

562
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 5: learning that are exciting and wonderful. I had a student

563
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 5: and I'm still in touch on Planet of the Apes

564
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 5: who came in the first day. I went in and said, okay,

565
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: so he wouldn't mind me, and it ain't. Look where's

566
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 5: for your books? I don't have books? I said, well,

567
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Well, I'm signed up in school

568
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: in the Midwest, and if I practice my guitar, I

569
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 5: get credit for music or math. If I figure the

570
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 5: tax on a thing in a restaurant, I get credit.

571
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: I said, okay, same same as your story with David.

572
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: Well what do you what do you want to learn?

573
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 5: And he get He told me and that's exactly. I

574
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 5: brought stuff in and we did that for three or

575
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 5: four months, except we continued it afterwards at coffee shops

576
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles until he was kind of on his own.

577
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 5: Now he's exceptionally successful. It has several movies that he's written,

578
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: is touring with I remember him at Oakwood banging on

579
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: the pan. That's look. You might owner to find that

580
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: a little bit. He's he's playing classical and jazz in

581
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: major concerts all over Europe because he was left not

582
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 5: to feel he was less than because he didn't want

583
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: to take physics.

584
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: Because you have a limited number of students, you were

585
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: really able to cater a lesson plan to them and

586
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 3: their interests and who they were as people, and you

587
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: could adjust it as as you got to know us

588
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: all better.

589
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: I loved, I loved. I pulled Ben's leg through the

590
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 5: entire OJ trial said, look at him, look at his face.

591
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: He's innocent. You know it. Oh, he's so kissed up.

592
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I remember our political discussions watching the O. J.

593
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: Simpson trial, and then also whenever, whenever it was an

594
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 4: election time, we would sit in the classroom and go

595
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: ballot measure by ballot measure and debate and have so

596
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: much discussion and so much argumentation. It was really, I

597
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: mean so formative for me.

598
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: I was in the classroom during all all of the

599
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky stuff. Yes, and you guys, you teachers,

600
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: were the first people to say to me, why do

601
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: you think just put it, putting it out there? Do

602
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: you think the president's personal life should be this big

603
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: of a topic of conversation. Does a person's personal life

604
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: actually affect the job that they do? And it was

605
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 3: such an engaging discussion about well, what does it what

606
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: does it say about character? How does character impact? Like

607
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: it was truly it was, and I had never even

608
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: thought of it. It was just like he lied under

609
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: oath and you know, the truth is the truth, what

610
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: the truth is or whatever the like. I remember those

611
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: were the things that were on the news. But the

612
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: discussions that we then got to have because of the news,

613
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: you guys were never you never failed to take a

614
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: real life situation and put it back into a learning

615
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: environment and a critical thinking and debate and good discussion.

616
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: And I would remember, you know, we'd be in the

617
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: middle of a heated discussion about something and we'd have

618
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: to go to set and you guys would be like,

619
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: we'll talk about this when you come back. Go go go, go,

620
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead, go out to set, And we'd

621
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: run out to set, holding onto all those thoughts.

622
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: What a fertile row to hoe now, yes exactly.

623
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: It was also, I mean beyond beyond the sort of

624
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: like intellectual academic support. I mean I also just remember,

625
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: you know, a real emotional support too. Like I remember

626
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: one time we went to Children's hospital to visit termin

627
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: leal children, and uh, it was really hard, you know,

628
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: because because we were we were the we were like

629
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: the entertainment you know, the sort of make a wish

630
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: people from TV come in and meet these kids and

631
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: light up there their day, and then you have to leave,

632
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: you know, you have to walk out of their room

633
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: and know what they're facing. And I remember just coming

634
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: back to the classroom to you and David and like

635
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: trying to put on a good face, and and you

636
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: guys like you just put in your hand my shoulder

637
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: and being like that was that was really hard for you,

638
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: wasn't it? I just balling like and just breaking down.

639
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: I also remember I don't know if you remember this, Wesley,

640
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: but we got we got into it one time really intensely.

641
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 4: Somebody we knew was getting plastic surgery. Do you remember

642
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: this debate?

643
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 5: Not me, No, it was somebody.

644
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: There was somebody.

645
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: It was somebody on our set was getting some work done.

646
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: And me, I remember met me at sixteen. I think

647
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: I was very anti any you know, I was in

648
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: my self righteous writer, you know, anti superficial.

649
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and that anytime, that'll anytime.

650
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: And you, you know, you decided to play devil's advocate

651
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: with me like you did. But it was also very

652
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: very personal for me because I was very upset that

653
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: this person was getting work done and I felt like

654
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: they shouldn't and it was and I wanted to judge them,

655
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: and I was very judging and very self righteous, and

656
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: you know, all my hippie none such inspired. And you

657
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: came at me really hard, and I remember getting so

658
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: angry and and and you know, I think as opposed

659
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: to like the political discussions of the academic discussions. It

660
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: got it got so heated, and I stormed out, and

661
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: I like, I just lost it. And in a way

662
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: that a lot of adults, you know, you you, a

663
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: lot of adults would have just let it go at

664
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: that or whatever. But I remember you. You took the

665
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: time to write me a letter and apologize, and and

666
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: it affected me so much because I knew, I knew

667
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: that you were you were having an abstract discussion with me,

668
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: and that I let it get too personal, and yet

669
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: that it was okay that it was personal because you

670
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: were like you wrote a very personal let letter saying

671
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: I love you, I care about you. Your relationship is

672
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: more important than winning any debate. And that was such

673
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: a great life lesson to me that you know that

674
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: we could disagree, that we could get each other riled up,

675
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: but that you ultimately were there to support me as

676
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: a person and as a friend, and just it was

677
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: I can't thank you enough.

678
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: Good, thank you.

679
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: I would like to talk about something I remember about

680
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: you and want to know if you still do it.

681
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: Do you still do like forty five day hot lemon

682
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: and cayenne juice cleanses.

683
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 5: Oh, that's why we're seeing just from my shoulders down.

684
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: I remember Wesley coming in with like a jug, like

685
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: a two and a half liter jug of hot lemon

686
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: water with cayenne flakes, and being like, oh, what is that?

687
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: And he was like this is Oh, it's so good.

688
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: You breakfast and dinner.

689
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: The Master Fast, and it cleans out my limp fast system.

690
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 3: And boy, I'd be like, well, oh wow, so that's

691
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: just all your that's it. It's got honey and lemon

692
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: and cayenne, and that's that's all you're going to have. Like,

693
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: that's it. You're not you're not eating anything else. No,

694
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: it's so good for me mental clarity. How long are

695
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 3: you going to do this for? Thirty days? Forty five days,

696
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: maybe ninety days? Being like, sir, what.

697
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: With you?

698
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 5: I only ever did it for well, the first time

699
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: I did it.

700
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: Was twenty eight days okay, and then.

701
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 5: Then seven days once a year.

702
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: Okay, then seven days once a year okay. You at

703
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: the time were like maybe I'm just looking at him

704
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: now and look at eighty years old.

705
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: My god, he looks healthier than the three of us

706
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: put together.

707
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 5: So I first did that. I worked on family matters

708
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: with the Erkle character for two years. Yes, Jilil is Juliel, yeah,

709
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 5: and his mother. I just worked with Darius's daughter anyway.

710
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: Julil's mother said, I said, what's that. You're carrying the

711
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 5: same thing urine. She said no, no, no, no. I said, well,

712
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 5: water and blah blah blah. So I said, I'll try

713
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 5: that with you. So two weeks go by and the

714
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: makeup lady came to me and said, I see your

715
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: carrying the thing that Gail Care carriers. I said, yeah,

716
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: we're in the middle of a vest and she said, no,

717
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: you're not. I saw her have a hamburger at lunch.

718
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: She cheated on you.

719
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: You cheated on the eight days until I hadn't. They

720
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: had an intervention and they said, you know right, you're

721
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: going to die now, Yeah, you have.

722
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 3: To eat something bones I want it. I would miss

723
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: the smell of your sourdough burnt toast in the morning, Burt.

724
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: Well done toast is a is a favorite of my

725
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: family as well. But then also with you, like Burt,

726
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: the smell of burnt toast brings back more memories for

727
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: me than just about any other smell.

728
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 4: Some hissing cockroachessroaches coffee.

729
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: Do you remember you bought us Madagascin hissing cockroaches? Do

730
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: you still do that? Most good too, Wesley? Okay, do

731
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: you remember bringing us the Madagascan hissing cockroaches as a

732
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: class pet?

733
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: Quickly?

734
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: They sure did.

735
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: When we left.

736
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 5: Yes, cocks.

737
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh man.

738
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: I just so appreciated that because although it was a

739
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: obviously left of center class pet, I appreciated that it

740
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: was yet another way you tried to bring as much

741
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: normalcy which sounds people are like, where are you going

742
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: with this cockroach lady? The idea of being able to

743
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: have a class pet that are just little things you

744
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: don't think about as a as a as a kid,

745
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: that like is a normal part of growing up. We

746
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: didn't really get to have. And so you were like, listen,

747
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: you can't have we can't have a bunny here, we

748
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: can't have a dog, we can't have these things, but

749
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: we can have a cage with these cockroaches that don't

750
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: require a whole lot of upkeep. And you guys are

751
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: going to be the only people ever to grow up

752
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: and tell the story about I had a pet madagascon

753
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: hissing cockroach.

754
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: And were they named? Do they have names?

755
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: Do you remember?

756
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: They must have by the time we finished, exactly.

757
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: Touch their back and they would hiss. That was their

758
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: whole thing. You could like pet you could hold them.

759
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: I wouldn't hold them, and I would.

760
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: I held them. You could hold them and pet them

761
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: like this and they'd go. But that was it. That's

762
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: all they did. They had no other reques to deal

763
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: with them.

764
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: They literally have more protein bird body weight than any

765
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: living creature they look through the ice age.

766
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I just liked it very quickly.

767
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: You said something a while back which I the correlation

768
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: to me, I think needs to be said, because you

769
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: said that you were kind of a person who would

770
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: have your rituals in the morning. You'd come in in

771
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: the morning, you'd want to take some time to yourself,

772
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: you'd read your newspaper, you'd drink coffee, you'd eat the

773
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: same thing. And it has to be said, you know

774
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: who who did exactly the same thing, Bill Daniels, really

775
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: and I think the idea there's something so interesting that

776
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: the man who's so important for us for playing our teacher,

777
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: and then the man who was the teacher, you have

778
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: those same kind of rituals. Bill was the same way,

779
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: get there the same time every day, have to read

780
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: his paper the same time. He'd eat the same thing

781
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: in the morning, he'd have his cup of coffee. And

782
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: so I think it's very interesting that you you have

783
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: that similarity with mister.

784
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 5: J I have no disrespect him because I love him.

785
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: I mean I worshiped him, I fall down before him.

786
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 5: But someone wrote his lines.

787
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, very very true, very true.

788
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: Touche sir.

789
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: That's awesome.

790
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: So you want to talk about something you were talking

791
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: about when you were in an in classroom teacher in

792
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: the South Bronx. But it also applies to being a

793
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: studio teacher. How hard is it to discipline a student

794
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: in an on set environment? How do you discipline? And

795
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: do you have any good Did you ever have to

796
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: discipline us?

797
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the story I wanted. Is there a discipline

798
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: story we can yet.

799
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: I've never thought of any of it as discipline. I

800
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 5: thought of making reasonable requests and doing what I had

801
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 5: to do to make them happen. There was never any

802
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: You're going to sit in there until you stop thinking

803
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: that way. I don't remember that it happened. I don't

804
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: think we were all in it together.

805
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: What's the strangest thing that's ever happened to you as

806
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: a studio teacher.

807
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: I'll tell you something that I remembered in the process here,

808
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: and that was of when we first got KTLA. Each

809
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 5: of not will because you are a year or so older,

810
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: but first writer then Danielle and then Ben got their

811
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 5: driver's licenses, and as I remember, a short while after

812
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: Rider got his, that little c three got not just binged.

813
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: Something happened. Shortly after Danielle got her she hydroplaned on

814
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 5: the freeway, and shortly after them got his a little

815
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 5: bit of hubris he came ripping into his parking space

816
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: and took the side of the dam building off. So

817
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: one month or after each one.

818
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: Now, I did not wreck my car. That was my

819
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 4: friend borrowed my car and wrecked it. Oh yes, total

820
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: totaled it. My buddy Sean wrecked my car.

821
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: Sean crashed your car. I don't think I.

822
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: Ever knew that. Oh yeah, he yeah. I let him

823
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: borrow it during like a lunch break at on Boy

824
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 4: and he totaled it in an intersection.

825
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

826
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: Oh, you may not have totalled your car then, but

827
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: only one of us got multiple tickets this summer.

828
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, oops, very true.

829
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Another thing you were very instrumental, and something very important

830
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: in my life is you were very involved in my

831
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: relationship with Lance and then my subsequent Lance break up,

832
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: and you saw me and all of my all of

833
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: the times of my heartbreak through that relationship of him

834
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: being in town and then him leaving and then him

835
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: breaking up with me, and all of the confusion surrounding that,

836
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: And you and David both took me to museums and

837
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: would see me try to and every painting that would

838
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: mean something to me. Yes, and you took me to

839
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: the opera in a limo. Just you were You guys

840
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: were so involved in moments that were so clearly had

841
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: nothing to do with work. They were entirely with who like,

842
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: with with who I was as a person and forming

843
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 3: the most essential parts of me as as a human

844
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: and as a kid, and then as the adult that

845
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: I would become. And I want to know from your perspective,

846
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: because we've never talked about this, what do you remember

847
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: about that time my first love with Lance Bass?

848
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 5: Well you I remember you had talked about having gone

849
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 5: somewhere mm hm and talked about the whole thing.

850
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. You can tell you can say everything Lance

851
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: and Lance has been on the podcast. We've talked about

852
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: it all.

853
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: Let's just say that after your explanation of the whole evening,

854
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: I said, are you sure he's not gay? No? No, no, no, no.

855
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: That is definitely not it. No, no, no, no, you guys

856
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: walked me through that heartbreak for sure, and.

857
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: You know it's as a gay man. I've had to

858
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: walk students who I knew were struggling with that, not

859
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 5: just a few who were struggling with that and scared

860
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: and felt inferior and less than. I never look at

861
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 5: someone and say, well, you know, I know you're gay.

862
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: Your mother probably knows you're gay too, So big you

863
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: can't do that. What I do is I have a

864
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 5: little body of literature that I kind of sneak in

865
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 5: a book here, in a book there, and it's made

866
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 5: an enormous difference helping people with positive ways to deal

867
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 5: with it.

868
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for doing that, but also walking us

869
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: through those delicate moments of you know, uncertainty and questioning

870
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: yourself and questioning your worth and your friendships, and you know,

871
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: working with kid actors who are then when you're on

872
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: a show that's successful, they're also coming into their own

873
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: money and they're coming into fame and they're coming into stardom,

874
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: and that's changing the relationships they have with the friends

875
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: back home or at their regular school. It's meeting new friends,

876
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: and it's also you probably see them falling into occasionally

877
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: a crowd that maybe you want to protect them from.

878
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, everybody thinks that, oh, they're in the film

879
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 5: television drug addicts. Well, yep, it's not true. I mean,

880
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: if you take the percentage of kids in our industry

881
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: who have a problem and stack it against the percentage

882
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 5: of the general public, it's minuscule. The difference being, of course,

883
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: that you're in the public eye. Yeah, someone writes about

884
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 5: it instantly, or you got a pimple on you know,

885
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: someone's thirty million people see it for you. So it's

886
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 5: a different ball of X. But it's But there are

887
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 5: so many, hundreds of thousands of kids who have gone

888
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: to do great things like write and teach in colleges

889
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 5: and produce stuff and direct stuff, and that's that's good.

890
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear a story about if you don't

891
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: have to name names, but I'd love to hear about

892
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 4: a time when you had to step in and either

893
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: shut down a production or pool a kid from a

894
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 4: situation in your role as a welfare worker.

895
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: Well, the truth is, if you if you talk to

896
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: the right people and make the right moves, generally, it

897
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: doesn't get to that point because they involved they know

898
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: they have to come and talk to you. They know

899
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 5: if they want to do something wrong. Excep. I was

900
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: once working in northern California with Robert Conrad. I don't

901
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: know if you even remember him, sure, yeah, and he

902
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: his son was a seventeen year old son in the

903
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 5: movie and a younger girl, and they wanted the girl

904
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: to be in like a twenty foot tower with a

905
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 5: live bear. And they insisted that they were going to

906
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 5: do it, and I said, you're not going to do it.

907
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 5: I'm telling you you can't do it. They went ahead

908
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 5: anyway and did it, and so I had to file

909
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 5: a formal complaint and they were taken before the Labor

910
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 5: Commission and find very heavily. But so they can just

911
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: ford to have I mean in northern there is a

912
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 5: guy with a gun and a badge. In Los Angeles

913
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 5: come to a set and shut it down on behalf

914
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 5: of you to force the law. But normally, if you're

915
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: in the woods somewhere, it's your words or nothing. They

916
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: can go ahead and do it. You just have the

917
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 5: right to make sure that they're fined and held accountable.

918
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 5: I just think you have to be a team player

919
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: and be reasonable and when I teach the class every

920
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: year to the new studio. You just spend twenty three

921
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 5: years now coming in from the state. And the first

922
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 5: time I thought it, twenty three years ago, I said,

923
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 5: read my lips. Always do what's best for the children.

924
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 5: Always if that means it comes six o'clock and they

925
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 5: have to go, but they're in a scene. They've worked

926
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 5: hard all week and are doing it and going to

927
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: finish it in five minutes. You know, pull them to

928
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: give them the five minutes and let them do it,

929
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 5: because that's punishing the kid. You don't want to do that, right.

930
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: The powers that be had a big problem with that,

931
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 5: so I slipped that information and dog talk or something. Altogether.

932
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: It makes such a difference because I was in multiple

933
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: situations where I was in another state, like I worked

934
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: in North Carolina, or the worst for me was when

935
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 4: I worked in Australia when I was eleven, and they

936
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: you know, they don't they didn't have state protection, they

937
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: didn't have a welfare worker, and the studio teacher in

938
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 4: Australia turned out to be a background actor who they

939
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: just gave a bump to to also be my studio teacher,

940
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: and they worked me so hard. I remember one night,

941
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: it was one in the morning. I had been working

942
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 4: I think for eighteen hours. I was cold, we were freezing,

943
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 4: and I just remember the director being like, come on, writer,

944
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: you know you can find that in a womb. Let's

945
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: do that.

946
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: He was a British guy, let's do this.

947
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: And I was like literally passing out, like falling asleep,

948
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: and I'm and what was the worst is like, you know,

949
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 4: obviously I was unhappy, But I think the hardest was

950
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 4: on my mom because she was in this position where

951
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: her son wants to be an actor. Her son's getting

952
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: to be in this you know show, so she doesn't

953
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: want to shut down the production. She felt so disempowered

954
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 4: and she's just the stage mom who's being an awful

955
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: stage mom if she stepped in, you know, so you

956
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: need that person. You need that somebody with that authority

957
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: who's says like, time is up. You've worked nine and

958
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 4: a half hours, that's it.

959
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 5: And then you know, yeah, sometimes it has nothing to

960
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 5: do with eight and a half nine and a half hours.

961
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 5: It has something to do with what the gets tired

962
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 5: and not he's been three or four hours. Sorry, Yeah,

963
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: he worked once on mcaulay Culkin had flown back from

964
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 5: Australia and to do the American Comedy Awards at the

965
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 5: Shrine or somewhere like that, and he did them, you know,

966
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 5: it usually was great, and he came backstage and drooped tired.

967
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 5: They put him in a corral with you know, ropes,

968
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 5: and press was all around him shouting questions or something

969
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 5: and I and I looked at him and he listened

970
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 5: to question and went I said, Okay, time to go.

971
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 5: So I pulled him out and his mother walked up

972
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 5: to me and said, what are you doing sending him out?

973
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: You can't do them, I'm his mother. I said, well,

974
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: I'm sending them both out them but what I can do,

975
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: and that's what I'm doing because he's yeah, I never

976
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: worked in this time again. So they went off, and

977
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 5: the makeup ladies turned to me and said, oh my god,

978
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 5: thank you so much. Right, Yeah, everybody sees. Everybody on

979
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 5: the set sees what's going on. Yeah, and if you're unreasonable,

980
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: they see that. But if you're reasonable, even though it

981
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: might be hard for the company, they know that too,

982
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 5: their parents or their people.

983
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: Another behind the scenes a non school related or set

984
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: related Danielle moment that you guys were involved in is

985
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 3: when I started smoking. Oh, David Combs called my mother

986
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 3: immediately and was like, I need to let you know

987
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: I've seen Danielle smoking a cigarette.

988
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 5: Yes, we talked about that.

989
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 3: Yes, So what is that situation like where you see

990
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: a kid and you know they're doing something wrong and

991
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: now you have to make the decision about involving their parents.

992
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: What is that like?

993
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: Oh, well, uh, that's what you do. Yeah, that's not

994
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: a big deal. But personally, I take that very personally

995
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 5: because I am probably more anti smoking than well, except

996
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 5: for marijuana anti smoking anybody else. I hate it.

997
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you weren't doing it right me. No, No,

998
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: it's awful. No, I'm kidding. It's I'm glad I quit.

999
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 5: Especially if you have children. I recall my parents smoking

1000
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: three packs each day and I breathed the smoke until

1001
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 5: I went to Bred School at thirteen. Wow.

1002
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: Sure, I remember David saying to me, Danielle, you are

1003
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: this is the most addictive thing you could possibly be doing.

1004
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 3: I know you think, oh, I just have an occasional

1005
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: cigarette here and there, it's not really that big of

1006
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: a deal. But it's not that this is the most

1007
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: addictive thing you could do. I would rather you do heroin.

1008
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: I remember saying to my mom when my mom, when

1009
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: my mom was upset with me, and she was like,

1010
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: this is just it's terrible for you. And I know

1011
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: that you think you can do it occasionally, but it's

1012
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: most so addicting. And I said, I know, David said

1013
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 3: he'd David said he'd rather I do heroin, and she goes,

1014
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: I do not feel the same way. I don't think

1015
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: that was a very smart thing to say. Well, Wesley

1016
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: thirty years later, while looking at us all as a

1017
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: weirdo adult, Oh no.

1018
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 5: You're just wonderful and every one of you, it's amazing.

1019
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: Do you keep in touch with all of your students

1020
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: the way you do with us? I feel like girl

1021
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: me throlled obviously brought us closer back together, but I

1022
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: never really felt like you were out of our lives.

1023
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: I feel like because you were such you knew we

1024
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: had such a strong connection and you were so important

1025
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: to us. Are you able to do this with a

1026
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: lot of your students, to stay in their lives and

1027
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: stay such an important authority figure in their lives.

1028
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: Well, I suppose I've kept in touch with a lot

1029
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: of students, but none as meaningful as you guys. That

1030
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 5: was just one of the best times of my life

1031
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 5: day m and I do keep in touch with with

1032
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 5: those kids and Corey and and Peyton and but it's

1033
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: not the same. This is the show for me. Yeah,

1034
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 5: just kissing your butts but that way.

1035
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1036
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: Well, Leslie, you are just such an important person in

1037
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: our lives and we can't thank you enough for being

1038
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: here with us and for existing. We love you so much,

1039
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: and thank you very much for asking me yes, and

1040
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: thank you for bringing a little bit of the David

1041
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: Combe's spirit with you and talking about us, talking about

1042
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 3: him with us. Losing him was really it was very

1043
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: emotional for all of us, and we know thank you.

1044
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: You were also the one who told.

1045
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 5: Us, okay, all right, love you, thank you all.

1046
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: Soon I was I, oh boy, you almost made it

1047
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: almost you.

1048
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: Almost made her like fifty eight minutes in writer made

1049
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: it about forty.

1050
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: You made it like fifty eight. And I think I

1051
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: cried in nineteen seventy two.

1052
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: Or somebody, Oh man, what a man, what a what

1053
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: a We've talked so much about how so many of

1054
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: our memories. When people ask us about our behind the

1055
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: scenes memories. So many of them happened in the classroom.

1056
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: For writer and I who spent so much time in

1057
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: the classroom, so many of yours will happen on the

1058
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: golf course or you know, playing with Steve Hayfer and

1059
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: doing all that stuff, because you had a more adult

1060
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: existence on set. But so many of my memories and

1061
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 3: feelings about boy Mead's world involve Wesley and David because

1062
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: that's just where I was.

1063
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 4: You know, I don't write anything without thinking of Wesley

1064
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 4: and David, because you know, I would write papers and

1065
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 4: then they would give me notes, and then we would

1066
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 4: revise together oftentime. So I would sit in the room

1067
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: and I'd be like writing on my third draft of

1068
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: an essay for something. And there are vocabulary words that

1069
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 4: I only know because they gave them to me, and

1070
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 4: or phrases, you know, or certain uses of turns of phrase,

1071
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 4: and so every day of my life I'm using that.

1072
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 4: I mean, that's I write for a living, That's all

1073
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 4: I'm doing, and so I'm always in a conversation with Wesley.

1074
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: And David's in your head.

1075
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also just something so.

1076
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: Beautifully ironic about how important a teacher is in your

1077
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: life when our entire show was about how important a

1078
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: teacher is in your life.

1079
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so real life, mister Phoene's very cool.

1080
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, thank you all for joining us for this

1081
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: episode of Pod Meets Tears. As always, you can follow

1082
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: us on Instagram Pod Meets World Show. You can send

1083
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: us your emails pod meets World Show at gmail dot com,

1084
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: and we have merch.

1085
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I got nothing.

1086
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 3: Pod Meets Worldshow dot com. Uh will send us out.

1087
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: Actually, I think since this is Wesley, one of you

1088
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: should send us out.

1089
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: Okay, writer, you want to do it? No, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 3: do it. We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Meets

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Speaker 3: World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 3: Wilfredell and Writer Strong Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman.

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Speaker 3: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 3: Tara Suebachsch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World

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Speaker 3: superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton

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Speaker 3: of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram at Pod meets World

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Speaker 3: gmail dot com. A Wesley